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Genshin 4.0 - What Really Happened Before The Archons? Revisiting Old Worlds | Genshin Lore & Theory
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
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00:00 Start
01:20 Era of Dragons
03:57 Primordial Era
07:26 Era of Divine Envoys, Seelie
09:41 The Last Seelie
10:14 Sal Vindagnyr
11:18 The Void Era
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One thing i dont see people tracking in videos, is were the traveler was during these things.
we were LEAVING, when the cataclysm struck, atleast thats immediately before the sibling traveled with dain. so we were present before that era, and in the process of leaving when we lost our power and memory.
I doubt Scylla is Nibelung. Scylla is more likely the hydro vishap in the Enkanomiya books. But even that is still a stretch.
I like to think that by the time Natlan is released, we will have all dragons revealed to us- but of course, not told. Hidden in plain sight.
We have 4 so far. Well, theoretically.
I thought we'd know waaaay more by now, too. It feels like theyll drop everything on us at the last minute
The sumeru part really missed me up like how math does to my brain. I used to be up to lore till the erasing of scara and the stuff from there so I pretend nothing like that happened and focus on fontain lore lol
btw have you read about the Prayers set tiara lore? you know: tiara of flames, torrents, thunder(?).
Would love to know what did you think about it.
ahh yes. The kings who seek the deep. thinking of making a video on it, but we'll see
I love this tysm I wanted more contains lore❤❤
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Do you think Azhdaha isn't a dragon sovereign? He's older than Zhongli according to Zhongli, so that does put him in the right time frame. Vishaps are a type of dragon after all.
could be, just not too keen on calling it yet. I mean we have Kokomi, Neuv, and Scylla from Fontaine. so until they actually say whos who I wont either. its fun to think about tho... the relation of all "Dragons" to the actual dragonlords before
Whether he's one of the originals is difficult to say but the fact that he's coded being older than the archons and Teyvat as we know it, is real sus, he's also just straight up referred to as overlord of the Vishaps, every Geovishap answers to him. He's called the king and is a pure elemental being and not the creation of the gods as all true Vishaps are.
Similar with Dvalin, Dvalin is said to have come from the heavens, a being created from pure elemental energy, not the gods. The only thing with Dvalin is that he isn't referred to as a dragon King in anyway, he only had dominion as one of the nations four winds. Also he's too young to be one of the original 7.
I believe, it was in Enkanomiya, it spoke of how Sovereigns may rise and fall and how vishaps may evolve so I think it's every bit as possible that sovereigns are right in front of us even til now.
I also have a theory about the gnosis but I think future quests are set to explain my theory much better and I'd rather not inadvertently spoil anything.
Hey aru would love to get a full world quest summary a long video if u can pretty please
Doesn't seem that complicated to me; your primordial one era and the era of the Seelie envoys are one in the same. The Seelies were the servants of the PO used to act as go-betweens with humanity. They aren't mentioned in BS&M because they're not that important to the people who wrote that book, who were Istaroth fanboys.
Per the GoF the 2nd throne comes and the Seelie are exiled and essentially die out apart from maybe one or two very strong ones. This next era is the era of gods. Per Enjou the gods only appear after the 2nd throne. They are presumably created to replace the Seelies whom they are an inferior copy of. They do the same job of guiding humanity, but are kinda not good at it. Their bickering and competition lead to a war which ends up being called the Archon war because it's ended by Celestia picking seven winners and enforcing a Pax Celestia on the world by saying anyone who opposes the peaceful rule of the Archon will be zilched.
In terms of the world formula there are 4 changes to the fate of Teyvat which correspond to the 4 descenders which act as external variables introduced to alter the outcome of the world formula. Descender 1 (the PO) establishes Teyvat and the Heavenlty Principles and rules through until Descender 2 (2nd throne) messes up Teyvat and prevents the system of cyclic history from continuing. At this point Teyvat is on one last roll of the dice and headed for doom. Nevertheless the 2nd throne is defeated, becoming the Abyss, while the PO is replaced temporarily by "Celestia" (likely a shade) as ruler. 3rd Descender either causes or tries to prevent the Cataclysm. 4th Descender saves the world (Traveler).
We're told from a Sumeru source that after the war with the 2nd throne there was a short period where the Seelie had left and the gods hadn't arrived yet and humans governed themselves. But the author writing in the time of Deshret records these events so that period likely lasted only a century or two. The time of the PO is otherwise forgotten except in Enkanomya but this seems natural enough and not due to shenanigans with Irminsul.
Presumably throughout the next 7-8000 years or so (it has to be older than Zhongli since he's one of the new gods that is born and probably not in the first batch) gods just keep forming tribes and kingdoms and fighting with other gods and their kingdoms over and over again but in each nation we get some examples that are named and a few details of those times. Well I guess this before-Archon-period (AKA "Archon war") only lasts until 3000 years ago (in Liyue) and 2000 years ago (all nations). So maybe 4-6000 years?
All dead civilizations that are mentioned in game fit in this period except "the Ancient Civilization" which was the last Teyvat spanning civilization from the end of the last cycle of time before 2nd throne wrecked the time cycling device somehow. So from Enkanomiya and Sal Vindagnyr at the beginning all the way through to Decarabian and Guili at the end of this period. Liyue has the richest mention of names - like 5 or 6 more civilizations are mentioned? Note that the Ancient Civilization spanned all Teyvat because the world was at peace under the Seelie. These dead civilization are all small in geographic terms and none even managed to secure all of their nation. Remuria doesn't appear to have covered all of Fontaine, Deshret didn't control all of Sumeru. Most likely this was the criteria to become Archon and so Zhongli didn't control all of Liyue until 3000 years ago.
When was it stated that Zhongli was born?
@@khanhquocvong As I said above; Enjou says it.
@@DavidJohnson-ib1dh you’re gonna have to cite it cause that’s quite a bit of dialogue to go through
But how would he know when Zhongli was born? Zhongli was in a whole other world before he came to Teyvat
@@khanhquocvong Well if you're suggesting that all the gods were born on another planet a long time ago and then came to Teyvat I'd have to ask why none of them remember any of that life and if they don't remember any of it because all their memories were wiped then doesn't that mean Zhongli has no idea how old he is or what he is or who he is? I don't think such a view is supported.
@@DavidJohnson-ib1dh what? Lol
You gotta slow down man, I’m talking about Zhongli; nowhere did I suggest that about the other archons
Well everything is okay but i doubt why peoples think Nibelung is a Dragon King. In Azhdaha domain materials clearly says in description "Horns created from hardened jade crystallized over a thousand years are the natural crown of the dragon king. " If Nibelung is dragon King then how come Azhdaha got " Natural crown of Dragon King?" It seems more kings there and Nibelung is a sovereign and acting as King itself and faking it's identity cause he looks different when getting forbidden powers and everyone thinks he is the real King by tampering in Irminsul. And even Azhdaha control Geo means he can shape anything whatever goes in his mind so definitely can says Geo controls all the Teyvat where should be water or land and rebuild things. Well my theory.
Nibelung is the king of all dragon sovereign. While Azdaha is the geo dragon king. Kinda like king rules everything but the dukes and earls rule the land on kings behalf
Apep told us outright that Nibelung is the king of all dragon sovereigns.
@@Raininpainright. And i think Azhdaha is from younger generation of dragons? Maybe like Dvalin?
He also use elements like cryo,hydro,cryo,Pyro
@@laineysays I don't think we know. He's old, older than Zhongli, but we don't know how old. Him having a "natural crown of the dragon king" as mentioned in the comment above does seem to imply dragon sovereign though, and he's also referred to as an elemental being which would fall in line with the dragon kings as well
4:21 That's read as /Fanis/ with a long /ee/ sound
10:50 what if the Princess survived and now lives under the Alias Nicole of the Hexenzirkle?
What if the princess... is in another castle?
If you want a primordial one placeholder, I suggest to use Kevin Mantis Form from HI3, whom I suspect the Primordial One will be based on.
I thought the Dragon King didn't die.
Yup he was killed but apep said there's a way to revive him
i wonder is genshin the pre-flood world? the 7 nations that worship the 7 "demon gods" (archons in english) archons whom put us in a soul trap and take loosh, thugh in the genshin universe the archons themselves seem to be stuck on the ouroboros cycle soul trap, and supposivly if cant escape the soul trap, we will eventualy be fully consumed and gone forever!.
was god of dust a seelie?
No Guizhong is the god of dust
The goddess of flowers was a seelie
You know trying to look for possible Tevyatian names makes me wonder the origin of the Divine Envoys.
Were they part of the creation of the Primordial One? or is that just a propaganda and they were actually alr there before it was Tevyat? Or maybe they actually came with the PO?
I think you misunderstand some things
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*Don't you dare sell out Aru*
Bro's stuck in 2013 RUclips