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the rise and fall of a forgotten film genre 🎄🦴👻 (what is kinder camp?)
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2021
- there's a very specific type of movie that we don't see much of anymore but back in the 90s and 2000s they were EVERYWHERE. the genre, which we've coined "kinder camp", featured outlandish set design and satirical humor centered around childish stories that brought about a sense of nostalgia. distinct in visuals and tone, these movies were considered critical failures at the time but are looked upon with fondness today. could we bring back kinder camp?
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here's a list of kinder camp films (including ones that weren't mentioned in this video) over on letterboxd: letterboxd.com/moderngurlz/list/kinder-camp/
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Does Galaxy Quest count? I didn't see it on the list.
Yessss thanks, girl!
Have you seen Undercover Brother? I think it qualifies too. I remember watching it and think it was just like Scooby-Doo but for blaxploitation films lol
I'd take bad movies that are fun and campy over bad movies that are edgy and boring any day of the week.
Preach!!
Yeah at least they’re fun to look at
Or woke movies
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ikr. it´s like they are trying way to hard to come across as "i´m not like other...." it´s just cringey. and riverdale started it all. i hope they will redo winx like it´s supposed to be
Hollywood really doesn't know how to read a room. We are in the middle of a pandemic , I feel like most people don't want to see a depressing dark edgy retellings of old TV and films from our childhood . I feel we need more happy go lucky escapism.
Agreed. I’m so tired of serious and dark tv and movies. My 3 favorite movies at the moment: Crazy Rich Asians, Thor Ragnorak and The Mitchell’s vs the Machines. All three of these movies are funny and have a lot of Kinder Camp elements. We need more films and shows like them.
To be fair to Hollywood, most movies/shows take more than 2 years to make, from inception to release. Maybe we’ll see more lighter/funner ideas come in when/if they realize we want it.
Everything Hollywood has been putting out for the last few years have either been a remake or overall a terrible concept. During the pandemic I binged old shows from my teen years. And I even prefer classics like I Love Lucy.
Agreed! All I am watching lately is wholesome TV like the Great British Bake Off re-runs
Last year around the same time in December, I watched Fat Man. It's not Kinder Camp, but it is defiantly tongue-and-cheek. Santa is a rugged stressed working man who's been giving presents all his life but is sick of all the naughtiness in the world, especially by adults. The one thing that keeps him going is the kindness and selflessness of innocent children who still believe in him, and those who were nice who have grown up. After he gives a rich and privileged child coal for Christmas, the brat hires a hitman to assassinate the "fat man." I highly recommend it. It was the perfect holiday movie for 2020, and arguably still is for 2021. I guess if a movie or series "acts serious" but is self aware that it's story is goofy, it can commentate on current society problems but still be a fun time. imo it does not top Jim Carry Grinch and Will Ferrell Elf still. Those are my favorite holiday movies still.
I think that Kinder Camp is superior to the darker media that is prevalent now, because they take the essence of the media that they base the film/show off of, and add new things to it that don't at all seem out of place with the original source material, where as most darker interpretations of nostalgic media, decide to go against almost everything that the original media was famous for.
yes, very much so!!!! what they mostly did was to make actual satire and jokes (whether or not they were funny is another issue) regarding the contrast of the heightened exaggerated world of fiction with the real life counterparts. nowadays something that could have been silly and ridiculous in the vein of these movies, like riverdale or sabrina, has to go through these filters of cynicism, edginess, fake wokeness (if something hasnt changed is the lack of representation in these movies and shows, with only very few advances in portrayals of queer characters) and a sort of self-awareness that relies more on poking fun at the source material, presenting itself as smarter and wittier, than meeting it where it stood.
*cough* tim burton *cough*
Honestly it can be dark in itself
It can like almost be described as a literal cartoon but filmed in live action
They kinda reminds me of musical plays in a way
i feel like this is especially seen in the costuming. like in scooby doo, the shapes and colors of the clothes can be recognized even from a far, but there's texture and different materials.
Especially the flintstones live action
It’s so cool
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I love how they revamped The Brady Bunch and The Addams Family, 60's works, into the 90's, which introduced them to new audiences, as well as harkening back to nostalgia to the previous generation.
yes but when the market got oversaturated and people got sick of them Hollywood stopped making those types of movies. Unfortunately all of the terrible remakes are here to stay, PERMANENTLY this time. Because Hollywood isn't making movies for Americans anymore. They don't care if Americans and critics hare their movies and say their stories are terrible that movies are all just rehashes and special effects. They don't care if not a single person in America goes to see their movie. Because they're making all of their money in China and overseas now. And they making HUGE amounts of money. They're going to keep remaking terrible superhero movies with no story and terrible dialogue because people overseas are going to watch them and love them because of the special effects alone. And they are going to make billions and billions of dollars off of those low effort formulaic movies. And that's the problem we now have. It doesn't matter if every single person in America stopped watching anything Hollywood put out. Hollywood would still continue to put out the same s*** because it's low effort and there's a very high reward overseas. And until these countries start making their own movies for their own audiences Hollywood will never make movies for Americans again.
@@WhitneyDahlin I feel like you're giving the average American too much credit for being discerning movie viewers... Hollywood has always been geared towards American interests and humour - just look at how many movies nowadays are still set in the US with American actors, directors, producers, and crews. The "terrible superhero movies" you're talking about aren't just popular outside the US. And I can assure you there are movie viewers not from the US who are looking for more than flashy special effects.
@@WhitneyDahlin that's racist. Your basically saying that people in places like China have no sense of movie quality and are too dumb or desperate to care about actual plots outside of special affects and only watch things because they can and don't care how dumb the movie is when in reality most of the movies your talking about aren't just popular overseas and are usually liked by atleast a vast minority that isn't you. And also most really low quality movies if you actually bother to do research outside of your own obvious racism or atleast bias you'd actually realize aren't that popular overseas anyways and if they are it's usually because surprise surprise people actually have unique tastes other than you.
Disney's Enchanted is totally a kinder camp movie
On the flip side of that, while I think that Enchanted and Tangled are fantastic camp movies, most contemporary disney movies with meta jokes nearly always have me groaning. I think it's possibly because it's turned less into satire and more into parody at this point. Like yeah... we get it... you read that Buzzfeed article about how Belle has Stockholm syndrome.
@@charlotteodonnell8175 oh my gosh the buzzfeed article comment is so true☠️😂
I hadn’t thought of Tangled as camp, but I think I get what you mean about Tangled’s meta jokes/homages working while like, Frozen’s or Moana’s kinda fall flat a little. I still like the latter two, but Anna and Christoph arguing about true love or Maui’s “Dress+animal sidekick=princess” line seemed like lazy jokes to me.
@@charlotteodonnell8175 I don’t see why tangled would be considered camp. Can you explain more?
@@khadijahmalone3034 I'm playing a bit fast and loose with the definition of camp but I always felt Tangled was a good mix of sincerity (and naivete from Rapunzel) and ironic, self-aware humour. On top of that you just have the general stylised over the topness that is Disney. It's definitely a different breed of camp to Mommy Dearest or like, The Rocky Horror Picture show tho.
@Erwin Lii I honestly like Susan Sarandon's character. And to me, it makes more sense that she encompasses all of the typical villain traits. After all, unlike the Andalasian characters who spent time in New York for most of the plot and developed beyond their stereotypes, she only appeared in New York during the ball scene. She barely had the time for character development.
I remember those times when movies used to be so bad that it's good. They're hilarious, but it's because the actors were amazing in playing their parts. Maybe because they didn't take themselves too seriously, unlike these days, where everything and everyone tend to take themselves too seriously.
@kshamwhizzle I think birds of prey worked because it was actually for women and didn’t take itself too seriously. It was definitely my favorite movie last year and definitely one of my favorite superhero movies ever.
@kshamwhizzle I love birds of prey too! I don't care what haters said about it being too shallow or not making any sense (compared to other DC movies). Because... well, it's from Harley Quinn's perspective! It's about how she views the world around her. She's not meant to be a reliable storyteller because, yeah, we knew her mind was screwed up. But overall, it's a joyful ride.
@kshamwhizzle I honestly feel like the men that reviewed it either took it way to seriously or were comic book fanboys. U remember when they were complaining about Harley Quinn not being sexy enough? I thought the outfits were sexy and practical and would wear them with no problem
well, that´s woke cultures fault. we now have to double check everything that is going to be said and done cause i mean, look at chris pratt being canceled just cause he went to church lmao. just look at how in the 90s we had a lot of black do minated tv shows and movies and now it feels like a non intentional paradox, that we mostly get token blacks. (winx/riverdale...). especially that actress from scary movie. she was hilarious because she had comedic freedom. something u dont really have today (cudos to amy schumer -mqueen of cringe stolen woke jokes)
@@katrin6388 no such thing as “woke culture”. i can’t take anyone who complains about ‘cancelling’ seriously. anyway, most of the people who do this ‘cancelling’ are young people on the internet who are trying to do what they think is the right thing. they don’t often realize that not everything will align with their personal values. yes, they’re a little over sensitive sometimes and read into things too much. but outside of the internet, they don’t have much power. so i don’t see the point of whining and crying about “cancel culture”. it gets out of hand for sure, but a lot of people who complain about it are just uncomfortable with their favorite medias/actors etc being looked at trough a microscope
This made me realize campy movies are my favorite genre. They’re so intelligent and fun, and I’ll take them over boring dark and edgy any day. Both Addams family movies are my favorite
When I say I like “bad” not Oscar worthy movies these are the exact movies I’m talking about, ones that are humorous and ridiculous but still have subtle social commentary and make you think. Most of these movies are some of my all time favorites.
Yes I agree! I find them much more rewatchable too due to how casual they feel
They were never bad either. People called them that because the people saying that were ironic and cynical... Couldn't handle movies being unrealistic, apparently. 🤷🏽♀️
Totally agree, I miss these kinds of movies, they were goofy, but at the same time they pointed out social behaviors and were sarcastic. Also I can't stand that nowadays movies look so depressing and dark.
i feel like this ties in also to the loss of the "tween" and how "kids these days" are so eager to grow up and show their maturity and reject anything that could be seen as "cringe." if a movie like these came out today, i think a lot of the target audience would reject it and not just simply enjoy them for what they're meant to be
I loved these adaptations so much cuz even when they weren’t great they were at least a feast for the eyes. The dark gritty takes of today only work when it’s a genuinely good film, but there’s so much more freedom for error if it’s campy and whimsical
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You are my kinda people lol
I’d say that Elf (which definitely qualifies), Ella Enchanted, and the Addams Family movies have to be my favorites. There’s something so comfortable about watching a movie that’s so self aware that you know the actors are having as much fun acting as you are watching
I LOVED the Addams family remakes as a child. They were such fun movies. I was obsessed with Wednesday!
Yes. Huge girl crush 😍
I always wanted to be Wednesday then I grew up and now I want a daughter like Wednesday, I will be the Morticia of the family 💅😂
Josie and the Pussycats did not have to go as hard as they did on the soundtrack and it should be a damn national treasure. But honestly, so many of these movies are my childhood and early teens that I can't just pick one. Man I miss this genre.
I feel like I hadn't heard the song in a decade but the moment I heard "Those three small wooooords" I remembered all my past lives.
That movie is so underrated
I play this soundtrack at my salon all the times and it’s a HUGE hit 🤣🥰
ALSO, "Death Becomes Her" is ICONIC and a GREAT example of CAMP!! Undoubtely one of my favorite movies EVER! 😂🤣👏💞🤩✨🎇
YESSSS
“What is Kinder camp?”
Me, who worked at a children’s camp in Germany: literal hell
I feel like the first Austin Powers is sort of apart of this. Colorful visual aesthetic, campy performances, contrasting 60s and 90s culture and a satirical yet loving take on James Bond. I always appreciated the “freedom, baby” monologue, responding to 90s critiques of the free love movement.
That movie is just camp. Kinder camp is specifically made for children
@@alyssagangi5341 The Brady Bunch Movie was rated PG-13, clearly not intended for children.
@@PeterParker-hn8iz I was watching Brady bunch when I was 5 🙊🙈 oops. I remember being excited to watch the movie lol
@@PeterParker-hn8iz I’m surprised my parents let me watch that one. They must have just assumed it was for kids and not realized the rating haha.
can't forget about Sharkboy & Lavagirl and the Spy Kids movies! iconic examples of this genre
I really like the premise of this video, but as someone who remembers the 90s vividly, I see some glaring omissions: Batman & Robin (the film that probably killed kindercamp), Austin Powers, and Charlie's Angels. Also, we can't forget how the rise of this genre is linked to the general popularity of postmodernism and irony in the 90s, including the embrace of stoner culture and campy stuff like lounge and swing aesthetics (also Quentin Tarantino's whole thing).
She talked about how some aspects of why the genre was so popular is because of contrast in accepted values from the time of the original material, to the time when the genre was released. Like your point on Shaggy being a stoner, I read that as she was literally talking about the dichotomy between how Shaggy was perceived in the 60s and the 2000s. She may not have said it outrightly “that it’s because of the irony,” but at least thoroughly analyze her essay before saying she left giant points out, when you may have not made the connection between what she was saying, and your understanding of the topic. Like I LITERALLY read your last few sentences as she was making that exact point.
yes, a very important addition!!! it was definitely something in the air in the 90s and early 2000s, something that was lost with the new decade and that we are now seeming to miss, after ten years of dark and gritty stuff
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What are lounge and swing aesthetics???? Google was not my friend x
@@niiii_niiii i think its referring to a revival of the 1940s swing style (most obvious in the mask, for example, with his iconic zoot suit and references to old 40s cartoons). i heard there was an interest in big band music too during the 90s, which would also apply (i think like this retro style band, squirrel nut zippers?). lounge, however, i have no idea 🤨
I don't know about a resurgence of kinder camp but I would like to see a new genre that is not solely rooted in nostalgia
Agreed, especially since nostalgia tends to lead people to immediately have a hate response to things these days
The George of the Jungle remake with Brendan Fraser was arguably one of the best of the 90s kinder camp films.
Oh!!! Yes this. This movie was hidden in the depths of my memory. I just remember my mother being obsessed. 🤪
Omg yes!!! I absolutely loved watching that film when I was younger
George, George of the Jungle! Strong as he can be 🎵
that was my favorite movie as a kid! Me and my brother would quote the lines to each other all the time
The first season of the Canadian George of the Jungle show also contains Kinder Camp, albeit with George and the brunette-redhead duo as teens, instead of the adults that they’d become in the questionable yet utterly surreal second season.
Where does Spy Kids fall in all this? It certainly has the aesthetic of Kinder-Camp.
I'd say it's definitely a parody of classic spy genre, so I'd agree on it being Kinder Camp
It's on Modern Girl's list so definitely
Spy kids, sky high, shark boy and lava girl, etc. all fall into the kinder camp genre, even if they aren't remakes IMO
@@davidkonevky7372 they don’t have to be remakes….
@@lalaland2107 I know, that's what i'm saying
Kinder camp is what I grew up with, and I'll never not be thankful for it. The Scooby-Doo movies, Addams Family movies, The Brady Bunch, How the Grinch Stole Christmas, etc. I grew up with the source material (due to my parents growing up with the sources) as well, so it all was just wonderful.
Sure, I was frightened of the Cat in the Hat movie due to a dream I had when I was four. And sure, I always feared Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. I think nowadays, we only want to see what the critics want to see.
Alot of these movies weren't liked by the critics, but by the audience because we either remembered the sources and enjoyed how it was interpreted, or because we just enjoyed the new adaptation. I just miss this part of my childhood the most.
Not completely on topic but I adore the costume design and makeup of “How the Grinch Stole Christmas”, It’s so campy and gorgeous. That movie is the reason I want to go into fashion design. Also some of the best KinderCamp movies are absolutely the live action “Scooby Doo” and “The Addams Family Values” (along with “How the Grinch Stole Christmas”) all of those were incredible and I will never forget how much I loved the live action “Scooby Doo” the first time I watched it, and it still holds up 😩
edit: Love that I can’t spell 😃
I was kid in the 2000s. I loved both of these movies growing up. The Grinch around Christmas time, I agree with what you said about the makeup and costume, so well done. I remember when Scooby Doo movie had aired on Nickelodeon and that was back on '02! Wow, time has flew by. I would watch it every time it played on Nickelodeon.
The number of people who think I'm being funny when I say the action Scooby-Doo is my favourite movie. I think it is the best Cartoon-live action adaption I can think of besides the Addams Family. It's camp, funny and I think the cartoonish costumes of the gang perfectly fit the aesthetic of the early 2000s. For a very 2000s movie based on a 60's show, it is bizarrely timeless.
I 100% agree with this
Absolutely. It's detailed and self aware and casted to perfection.
I liked it but I'm still annoyed they did a fantasy movie with monsters rather than it being a guy in a mask like the og cartoons.
I think one aspect of Kindercamp is DVD sales. They’re good turn off your brain movies and engaging rewatch experience. With the largely streaming landscape the emphasis is on initial theatrical box office revenue to make up production. Many Kindercamp movies have strong dvd released or annual season (Addams family at Halloween, Grinch at Christmas and I’d argue live action Scooby-doo in summer). The comeback could definitely happen but it’ll still be difficult to convince executives when no award buzz is going to be around the movie as is almost guaranteed for the genre.
Yeah, I owned most of these movies on DVD but never saw a single one in theaters. Movies in general feel like they are becoming less culturally relevant without DVD sales.
"The world of Riverdales and Fate the wings sagas" - God No!
I love, love, loved the Scooby-Doo adaptations. Daphne’s outfits in that movie were SO KILLER and the whole set was so colorful and aesthetically pleasing it actually gave you scooby doo vibes and made you feel like you were in their world. The bright costumes and the dark plot made a perfect combination. AAll of the characters were true to themselves, (even their voices were accurate). Scooby doo is so underrated I think. if more shows were adapted like that and not like the ones we see now a days, I’d actually consider watching more live action adaptations.
Definitely one of my favourite genres. This is what Winx should have been and the Monster High movie hopefully is (or even an in between of the cartoon campy- ness with the right *subtle* amount of dark. Even if hard it is possible with the right writers) and god forbid if Hollywood ever wants to reboot Equestria Girls. It wouldn’t work at all if they don’t go all the way. Great video, as usual! I really, really enjoy these type of content
You mean sort of like Burton's Dark Shadows (with a more childish tone)?
@@marisophi.01 I actually haven’t seen it yet! Is it any good? :)
Wait! Did I miss something? Are they making a Monster High movie??? My daughters LOVE Monster High & I enjoyed watching the DVDs with them (One of them even asked me to paint the logo on their summer camp shirt). I hope they don't make it too dark. There's a time & a place for dark, and MH isn't it.
@@WrenFaithBridger aw how sweet!! Yeah they have a live action movie coming out sometime next year on Nickelodeon and Clawdeen is going to be the main focus of the story - she’s part were wolf and human so the premise is that she tries hiding it. Apparently they also have a cartoon show coming out right after the movie also.
I feel like everytime I learn about movies that actually came out when I was a kid, it's always, "this was actually a low point for the industry and nothing was doing great” rip Ella Enchanted and Atlantis, respectively
“I don’t know about you, but I didn’t ask for a movie about Willy Wonka’s past” I TOTALLY AGREE. It’s the last thing we needed
especially from timothy shablagoo 🙁
@@quandaredevil exactly
I remember loving Scooby-Doo remakes and how scared the monsters made me. Especially the sequel with The Creeper. That guy can be put in a true horror film and fit in.
the kinder camp genre was absolutely phenomenal, even when the plot wasn’t the best you could still deeply enjoy those movies for the aesthetics alone. nowadays in remakes like fate, you can’t even do that because half of the time you can’t see anything -.-
I think it also might be quite telling that squid game was this big of a hit, with its over the top bright aesthetics paired with an incredibly dark narrative and criticism of actual society. while it’s far away from actual kinder camp, and also still way darker than it, maybe hollywood execs should take note of its success and where that came from.
This definitely put into words why I enjoyed the netflix adaptation of A Series of Unfortunate Events so much!
this is the most fun genre to say.
I think i could add George of the Jungle to the kinder camp genre but i am not completely sure
that’s a great kinder camp example!
@@ModernGurlz hey there! The first season of the Canadian George of the Jungle show (the one that aired from 2007 to 2017) is also considered a tv show example of the Kinder Camp genre, so are some early Power Rangers seasons as well. Something similar can be said for both the surviving Tokusatsu Tv Show and animated film adaptations of an internationally forgotten Japanese hit novel series known as Kenya Boy.
Coming here to say that the new barbie movie is literally going to be the revival of kindercamp we need.
I’ve seen clips of the “Spongebob Musical” in Broadway and I know it’s a play not a film, it still seems like an entertaining show, with exaggerated and creative costumes, that both children and adults can enjoy cause of nostalgia.
Spongebob Musical my beloved.
I love your channel, and this video topic. I really miss this genre, since while films of this ilk, they were whimsical and entertaining, which made us escape into a fantasy land for a while, especially in the midst of dark and gritty works.
Thank you for including Spice World the Movie in your clips. Critics tore it to pieces when it was released, viewing it as a waste of cinematic space. When that was never the point, it was supposed to just be a silly, over the top, ficitionalised version of a few days in the lives of the Spice Girls.
the grinch remains as my absolute favourite christmas movie ! i love the critique on capitalism and consumerism culture, and jim carrey just shines in the role - like you said, the costuming and production design are just fabulous and it never fails to make it laugh, definitely leaps and bounds ahead of the animated mess from illumination making it a true christmas classic !
I would just like to appreciate how amazing and thought provoking your analysis is. That take really skill and intelligence to come up with!
Just here to say that Wonka is being made by the same writer/director team who made the Paddington movies, so I think it's probably safe to assume that it will land in the same genre as their previous work, and is probably not exactly the best example of a "serious Hollywood adaptation". (It's labelled as a family comedy musical on IMDB).
girl i hope you have a list for all the movies you mentioned being in this genre because now i want to marathon all of these 😩 it took me back, i enjoyed these movies so much
I LOVE Charlie and the Chocolate Factory!! Johnny Depp's Willy Wonka was amazing. Tim Burton is someone that really knows how to do both dark and camp.
So glad to see this pop up today! Would love to see a Josie and the Pussycats style analysis! I wanted to be Josie so bad when I was 10 that I got the same flippy bob haircut lol
Same. Josie is an icon.
I’m glad that I was able to grow up with these. As a theatre student I really enjoyed the over-the-top costumes, props, and sets and I bet the crew had an absolute blast creating it all. I think my favourite is between The Grinch and The Addams Family. Wednesday was a boss in those movies and I wanted to be her so bad.
Kinder Camp is such a *chefs kiss* of a word 😭❤️ thank you for this term and such a perfect explanation
how did i never realize that a lot of my favourite movies were from that genre lmao
To me I believe Teen Wolf started this whole new genre of dark/edgy teen shows and I liked it because they were the only kind out at that time. And I believe they did it correctly. No it’s just to many of them that they seem boring. Do I believe campy theme movie or show will come back, not now. Maybe in the near future since reboots are a thing now maybe they might want to go back to that theme. My favorite movie is the Adams Family.
I always love seeing Josie and the Pussycats getting some recognition! I grew up with that movie and the older I get, the more the humor and messaging apply. Also the soundtrack goes hard and gets stuck in my head for weeks!
I do remember when these types of movies kept getting made! Josie and The Pussycats was one of my favorites from the genre. I can still quote it.
this was literally my favorite film genre without even knowing it
Watching those films I always felt there was a genre to them but couldn't put my finger on it. Your explanation made everything make sense!
Also, Addams Family (both films) is my favourite with Sky High coming in as a second.
The Austin Powers movies fit into this genre/aesthetic perfectly.
I'd like to submit Detective Pikachu and maybe Descendants as modern Kinder Camp
Though I'm not sure about either tbh
Teen Beach Movie too
Shonen Kenya is considered to be ‘kinder camp’ as well, as it’s a creation of the war-scarred man who wrote the manga of his story ‘Koya no Shōnen Isamu’, itself drawn by Noboru Kawasaki, the guy who co-created Kyojin No Hoshi manga along with the late and much lamented Ikki Kajiwara.
I didn't ask for a Wonka story either but I think making it dark will work, because the story is already so dark to begin with. It's meant as an allegory but the things the kids go through are terrifying to think about in a real world sense, and Wonka is very casual about them happening in the story. The thing I'm most concerned about is that it's going to be a musical, I can't think of anything that's quite like it as a musical.
Don’t let James Cordon see this!
@@malena5026 oh God no
@@malena5026 oh my god hes not gonna be in it is he?!
Yess Down With Love is so underrated- the cast, the clothes, the comedy, the soundtrack, the sets, even the plot- all fantastic! I watched a behind-the-scenes thing about it, and everyone involved seemed to have had so much fun with it! So glad it made this video, would highly recommend
As someone who was a kid during the kinder camp era: reflecting back on it, the most enjoyable aspect about these movies was that they were literally "cartoon universe but make it live action". Nowadays, all these takes on older media must be "modernized" and for some reason that means that everything is turned into an everyday, common alternative, with a dark filter slapped on top. Magical realm with it's own technology, architecture and customs? (Winx) Turn it into a boring old college, where everyone is dressed the same way we do. Takes the excitement right out of entering this fictional universe through the live action movie. In The Flintstones, everything was built to LOOK like the cartoon. As a kid, it made me wonder about actually living there.
But I'm guessing all the sets and costuming made to look like the cartoon weren't cheap, and that's what most of these remakes are going for: the cheapest, most effortless way of banking on former-kids-now-young adults' nostalgia.
My personal opinion is that more remakes could potentially work now if they committed to recreating the fictional universe as it is in the original work. With the current state of the world, it'd be the fix of escapism and nostalgia most of us are looking for.
I love the kinder camp style, I'd argue Austin Powers and Jawbreaker kind of fall into those aesthetics and parody too (but maybe I'm saying that because I think Jawbreaker is so underrated as a camp classic)
JAWBREAKER IS ICONIC AND SOOO UNDERRATED! 🥺🤦♂️👏🤩💞
jawbreaker is so good!! It’s almost like the antithesis of clueless but in a good way. I never understood the hate it got.
I just want to say thank you so much for making a video like this!!! I feel like we all know (and enjoy) the movies in this genre, but few really know what it’s about or what makes these films so unique
I love that you have a term for these kind of tv shows and movies cause they are honestly some of my favorite even into my late 20s. There’s really a disconnect with the new tone of young adult/teen/kids movies that just isn’t as appealing.
Kindercamp was a genre i didn't realized that I missed. Then again, it plays right into my 00s nostalgia. I also didn't realize Sky High (my actual favourite movie) fit into this genre
tbh i dont hate the dark, edgy and somewhat "mature" tone of so many recent remakes, I've seen myself enjoying them because I like shows like that, but I agree that they feel like they are the same thing and sometimes they dont even make sense (aka Riverdale)
Now that you've explained this concept of Kinder Camp amazingly, all I can think is that movies that we see as Kinder Camp are kinda seen as the actual definition of "cult classics" which I think is interesting and definitely explains their appeal culturally
Wait a professional critic found the story hard to follow in the Flinstones while I, a literal child, still remember it and understood it perfectly? 👁👄👁
Post puberty people have trouble following after Halle Berry turns up.
The Grinch and Charlie and the Chocolate factory are hands down my favorite for opposing reasons. The Grinch had an added back story of why the Grinch is the way he is, same with Willy Wonka, but Charlie and the Chocolate Factory sticks more to the source material. Either way I think CATCF gets a lot of undeserved hate compared to the 70s version. The genre as a whole I think would be able to make a comeback because we are so sick of gritty and dark remakes/adaptations that stray so heavily from the source material
if movie goers only wanted gritty realism then movies like Kingsman wouldn't have been so big. When will Hollywood learn this lesson?
also side note i would love a true, good kindercamp live action of the jetsons with as many practical effects and set pieces as possible
Some of my favorite childhood movies are shown in this. Scooby-Doo 2 Monsters Unleashed, Addams Family Values, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Ella Enchanted, Sky High... Oh... Ella Enchanted wasn't well received... But it is so good...
If Kinder Camp doesn’t catch on, I nominate TweeCore
I do think that they can come back but it would have to be the right project with the right people attached to it. Oversaturation killed off camp but, the oversaturation of gritty reboots could be the thing that brings it back as it would at least, be something different for people tp talk about.
I wonder if this is how we would classify the fever dream of a movie that is "Hoodwinked". I never knew what category that movie fell under. Cartoon? Satirical? Adult Humor? It's all three and then some.
1997's Batman and Robin tacks up there in this category as well.
I wouldn’t call the 90s Addams “for kids” since there is a lot adult humor and sexual innuendos. And do you think the movie The Witches of Eastwick or Labyrinth would fit into this category?
A lot of these movies fit more into the Family Movie category than the Kids Movie category. We've sort of lost that distinction now, as most movies and shows from today are made to cater purely towards kids or purely towards adults with little to no overlap. Before the late 2000s, family movies were huge. Think "Mrs. Doubtfire" or "Honey I Shrunk the Kids" or even "National Lampoon." A lot of these films were entertaining for both adults and children, with jokes and visuals that appealed to both. They were just risque enough to add extra flavor but clean enough for kids to watch without upsetting parents. Kinder Camp seems to be another form of the classic family movie, but just takes nostalgia into play.
I think we need kinder camp more than ever! I am still recovering from the cluelessness that happened at THAT Met Gala a while back :-(
Definitely a fan of Kinder Camp, didn’t even realize this was a genre. One of my all-time favorites would be Kirsten Dunst’s Marie Antoinette.
but that's not at all that lol
Does Matilda qualify as kinda camp because I absolutely loved it growing up 💖
I feel like teen wolf was camp in season 1 and 2 but after season 3 it had a darker tone and less comedy compared to the early seasons.
Shrek, Ella Enchanted, the Addams family, and Scooby Doo were hallmarks of my childhood and they made me
Appreciate the spoof genre when I got to be about 11-13
OMG OMG YESSSS
I MISSED U AND UR CONTENT SO MUCH UGHHH
sometimes life is hard enough and you just want to watch something comforting
Jim Carrey's Grinch. My childhood 💖
I hope this style comes back, sometimes I crave something like the 90s Addams family, but don't feel like rewatching it for the 20th time
I never understood my movie taste until you gave it a name. My favorite remakes are fun and campy remakes that altough resemble their old versions in tone, they leave some place for adult jokes to be inserted. It's like a middle ground between boring remakes and "dark" remakes that have nothing to do with the source material. My favorites are: scooby doo, 100 dalmatians, the addams family, charlie and the chocolate factory, etc.
This was my favorite genre growing up and I wish more filmmakers had put trust on the audience they had. I bet I could support the whole industry on my own, I just love them so much.
Two of my favorite shows I would consider kinder camp, a series of unfortunate events and the mysterious benedict society, and I really really wish they would make more shows like that
The flinstones was an actual fever dream
I've always loved these types of movies so I'm happy I know the name for them now! We desperately need a kinder camp comeback.
It’s the first time I hear the term “kinder camp” and I’m glad to see a lot of my favourite movies were listed here!
Although I’m not sure if Ms Sontag would approve.
I'm begging for this genre to come back!! I barely watch new movies anymore and isntead I'm just watching 2000s stuff, because honestly at this point we all need something lighthearted and warming, not another boring, sad cinderella remake
The scooby doo and cat and the hat movie raised me
Easily one of the most underrated genres.
16:39 As an aspiring film student, I shalt make it my life's mission to bring them back.
It’s amazing how you praised every movie I loved growing up. Especially Down With Love- such an underrated gem! I am beyond ready for a kinder camp resurgence. It’s so disheartening to see your favorite shows rebooted into something so dark and gruesome (looking at you Sabrina).
Today I learned I have a favourite genre of film.
Edit: Josie and the Pussycats is so influential to my friendship with my best friend, whenever we get together after talking about our lives, well say "it's time to gossip" while crossing our hands like Fiona. We've been friends over 10 years and Josie was one of our bonding.
YES. I was just thinking recently how many of my favorite older movies were just different I couldn’t put my finger on how exactly but kinder camp describes it PERFECTLY. They have such good rewatch ability.
Big fan of this dynamic:
Critics: This is trash.
Audience: Yes it is 💖💖 💖
I feel like the 90s kinder camp movies are a true determiner of GenX type media: cozy, laced with sarcasm, has subtle dark humor. Whereas the edgy / boring content we see in remakes today is perhaps made to serve the older millennials- who are fond of their action movies with heroism, with unnecessary and often derivative plot twists included. GenX doesn't need plot twists- they have enough cynicism embedded into their daily monologue.