There is something to this work and talking about what happened, where i genuinely start to remember the "clips" in motion, even though I know they were just still images. This ties well into the text, where the Inside author notes the alleged sightings of the hurt child's wounds may have been exaggerated in memory.
I was going through your petscop investigation part 7 video and I noticed that Holland's name actually does show up in 19, which is another interesting connection to this. I don't remember if you knew this already but I figured it wouldn't hurt to point out! I'm very excited for your next video on 3d worker's island!
Thomas' submission on the Worker Degeneration page is really something. When I was going through 3DWI and I got there and started to read through it, my heart began to race and I felt a deeper part of me shrinking into itself in a way that I don't think fictional media is supposed to elicit. Hearing/seeing it again here still conjures a similar response. The reply Thomas gets is chilling in its own right. So flat, but eerily knowing at the same time. I can't help but feel the use of the word "work" to describe suffering is meaningful. This author's creations resonate with me to such an extent that it makes me think there might be something wrong with me (something new, at least). I'm not sure precisely what that says about the work or myself, if anything, but it's equal parts exciting and unsettling.
I think why I dont connect this with a meta commentary as specifically for petscop is because when I first watched petscop I did not see the theories and such. I only found those later in life after I finished petscop on my own and gathered my own thoughts and experiences from it. Worker Degeneration was the point in the story I had to physically step away and just drink some tea. It made me feel seen but not in a comforting way.
A fascinating grapple with these concepts that showcases the raw process of creation of the stuff of video essays. For recommendation: if you've played undertale/deltarune: "the device theory" has some cool methodology to reach their points and i like Andrew Cunningham's observations on the first game and some music theory stuff
42:59 haha, I had the exact same reaction! I think there's absolutely something to how 3DWI presents worker degeneration and how it is literally systemic violence
Just wanted to mention something potentially symbolic relating to the Petscop connection (and it may have been said elsewhere), and it’s usefulness/veracity is likely dubious, but the flat outline of the island itself, viewed from a different angle, looks a lot like the guardian from Petscop’s head. Anyway, really enjoying this analysis. Thank you.
I just wanna say the amount of times I've said vulnerable/horribly sad stuff online only to get something to the effect of "I hear you and I understand." is genuinely pretty rough LOL It really is one of the most meaningless things you can say to someone on the Internet. (I am okay. Don't ask.)
Yeah. That resonates with me as well. In some sense, all communication loses its effect in online environments due to the pervasive nature of affect, if that makes sense. Everything becomes flattened.
I was thinking "well, that sentiment has helped me" at first, but really it's helpful when someone elaborates on it. Maybe mildly interesting, a short response like that is more helpful (to me) on a forum about a physical illness. Even that takes a little more like "I hear you. This disease blows. Hang in there." Unless they're some really weird faker, a physical ailment is concrete, so random Internet sympathizers probably *do* understand to some extent. It can still seem hollow. Idk just random thoughts. The Internet *is* real life in that most people use it so much, but I don't know how to make it more like expressing sympathy/empathy in actual real life.
You pointed out the oddity of PLawler having multiple PCs in one of the early videos. Laptops were pretty expensive in the 1990s too, more so than desktops AFAIK, I wonder if theres any significance to that being in the screensaver. Personally, I'm reading the "movement between fiction and reality" to be alluding to a certain subtext here. I think the sound and photographs to only be narrative implementations of this "movement". The story had brought up a forum using it as an escape from reality prior, maybe it's commenting upon this idea more generally? Like say, people getting into a fuss about politics in their vidya games and shit. But its not just that. A personal anecdote here, but it makes me think of Episode 33 of Revolutionary Girl Utena. If you've watched it, you know what I'm talking about. I won't go in detail since it's not really RUclips friendly, but the episode kind of forcibly changes your perspective to a character in the show, uncharacteristically, and forces you to experience a terrible act that they commit from their eyes. It makes you reckon with the reality of what is going on, it rips you out of what would otherwise be "fantasy" in other works. Utena in general of course is kinda laden with this dismantling of fantasy, but that specific episode places you dead center I think. It was harrowing for me, and to put it in the words of Ashley B. "I was jolted, and shaking for a good hour afterwards." Idk, I feel like this is something I've experienced manytimes in regard to... Certain subject matter. From what I understand, there was a negative response to it at the time. With fans considering the episode to be "defiling". But I also think about The End Of Evangelion, and how it is also kind of born out of this confrontation with reality, and a response to people being unable to handle it. Food for thought anyways.
Oh wow , I totally missed that part about referencing the real world being seen as an act of violence. 3Dwi.scr reminds me of how the Matrix 4 and Joker 2 were created as a reaction to the previous work's critical discourse.
“Created as a reaction to the previous work’s critical discourse.” I loved this! Especially the use of the word “reaction”. Really reminds me that no work is truly self contained, and always plays on or comments on something else. I think NM also mentioned “historicise everything” previously. But I also liked the word “reaction” here, because it highlights the commentary and one-sided response of the artist seen in this work. The word “reaction” brings up the image of knee-jerk reaction, and how the audience is unable to interact with the websites/screensaver (something others have pointed out in previous comments) feels more like the author’s reactive statement rather than a discussion with its audience. Really loved the choice of word! Very insightful!
There is something to this work and talking about what happened, where i genuinely start to remember the "clips" in motion, even though I know they were just still images. This ties well into the text, where the Inside author notes the alleged sightings of the hurt child's wounds may have been exaggerated in memory.
I was going through your petscop investigation part 7 video and I noticed that Holland's name actually does show up in 19, which is another interesting connection to this. I don't remember if you knew this already but I figured it wouldn't hurt to point out! I'm very excited for your next video on 3d worker's island!
Thomas' submission on the Worker Degeneration page is really something. When I was going through 3DWI and I got there and started to read through it, my heart began to race and I felt a deeper part of me shrinking into itself in a way that I don't think fictional media is supposed to elicit. Hearing/seeing it again here still conjures a similar response. The reply Thomas gets is chilling in its own right. So flat, but eerily knowing at the same time. I can't help but feel the use of the word "work" to describe suffering is meaningful.
This author's creations resonate with me to such an extent that it makes me think there might be something wrong with me (something new, at least). I'm not sure precisely what that says about the work or myself, if anything, but it's equal parts exciting and unsettling.
I think why I dont connect this with a meta commentary as specifically for petscop is because when I first watched petscop I did not see the theories and such. I only found those later in life after I finished petscop on my own and gathered my own thoughts and experiences from it.
Worker Degeneration was the point in the story I had to physically step away and just drink some tea. It made me feel seen but not in a comforting way.
Is there a Matpat-shaped spector looming over this critique?
A fascinating grapple with these concepts that showcases the raw process of creation of the stuff of video essays. For recommendation: if you've played undertale/deltarune: "the device theory" has some cool methodology to reach their points and i like Andrew Cunningham's observations on the first game and some music theory stuff
Congratulations on 60k subs
42:59 haha, I had the exact same reaction! I think there's absolutely something to how 3DWI presents worker degeneration and how it is literally systemic violence
Love getting the stream notif while I’m working, your musings make me so productive lol
Looking forward to the next one and congrats on 60k B,]
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for a modern take on that David Foster Wallace work, look toward The Beginner's Guide, the game.
Just wanted to mention something potentially symbolic relating to the Petscop connection (and it may have been said elsewhere), and it’s usefulness/veracity is likely dubious, but the flat outline of the island itself, viewed from a different angle, looks a lot like the guardian from Petscop’s head. Anyway, really enjoying this analysis. Thank you.
I just wanna say the amount of times I've said vulnerable/horribly sad stuff online only to get something to the effect of "I hear you and I understand." is genuinely pretty rough LOL It really is one of the most meaningless things you can say to someone on the Internet. (I am okay. Don't ask.)
Yeah. That resonates with me as well. In some sense, all communication loses its effect in online environments due to the pervasive nature of affect, if that makes sense. Everything becomes flattened.
@@NightmareMasterclass For sure!
I was thinking "well, that sentiment has helped me" at first, but really it's helpful when someone elaborates on it. Maybe mildly interesting, a short response like that is more helpful (to me) on a forum about a physical illness. Even that takes a little more like "I hear you. This disease blows. Hang in there." Unless they're some really weird faker, a physical ailment is concrete, so random Internet sympathizers probably *do* understand to some extent. It can still seem hollow. Idk just random thoughts. The Internet *is* real life in that most people use it so much, but I don't know how to make it more like expressing sympathy/empathy in actual real life.
@ I’m glad it’s helped you and I’m sure it’s helpful for some people. Maybe I’m just the wrong kind of person.
You pointed out the oddity of PLawler having multiple PCs in one of the early videos. Laptops were pretty expensive in the 1990s too, more so than desktops AFAIK, I wonder if theres any significance to that being in the screensaver.
Personally, I'm reading the "movement between fiction and reality" to be alluding to a certain subtext here. I think the sound and photographs to only be narrative implementations of this "movement". The story had brought up a forum using it as an escape from reality prior, maybe it's commenting upon this idea more generally?
Like say, people getting into a fuss about politics in their vidya games and shit. But its not just that. A personal anecdote here, but it makes me think of Episode 33 of Revolutionary Girl Utena. If you've watched it, you know what I'm talking about. I won't go in detail since it's not really RUclips friendly, but the episode kind of forcibly changes your perspective to a character in the show, uncharacteristically, and forces you to experience a terrible act that they commit from their eyes. It makes you reckon with the reality of what is going on, it rips you out of what would otherwise be "fantasy" in other works. Utena in general of course is kinda laden with this dismantling of fantasy, but that specific episode places you dead center I think.
It was harrowing for me, and to put it in the words of Ashley B. "I was jolted, and shaking for a good hour afterwards." Idk, I feel like this is something I've experienced manytimes in regard to... Certain subject matter.
From what I understand, there was a negative response to it at the time. With fans considering the episode to be "defiling". But I also think about The End Of Evangelion, and how it is also kind of born out of this confrontation with reality, and a response to people being unable to handle it.
Food for thought anyways.
Oh and if you haven't watched Utena, you should give it a shot! It's a little long winded but there's a lot to dig into with it!
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She did indeed!
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Oh wow , I totally missed that part about referencing the real world being seen as an act of violence.
3Dwi.scr reminds me of how the Matrix 4 and Joker 2 were created as a reaction to the previous work's critical discourse.
“Created as a reaction to the previous work’s critical discourse.”
I loved this! Especially the use of the word “reaction”. Really reminds me that no work is truly self contained, and always plays on or comments on something else. I think NM also mentioned “historicise everything” previously.
But I also liked the word “reaction” here, because it highlights the commentary and one-sided response of the artist seen in this work. The word “reaction” brings up the image of knee-jerk reaction, and how the audience is unable to interact with the websites/screensaver (something others have pointed out in previous comments) feels more like the author’s reactive statement rather than a discussion with its audience.
Really loved the choice of word! Very insightful!
@@DanielYapHZ Wow thank you, you didn't have to type all that lol
@@WHALEBOY777 helps me process my thoughts as well! Cheers!