Your videos always suck. I always watch them until the end in case I'm wrong. I subscribe to your channel so that I can watch your next video and make sure it still sucks and that I don't learn anything. Thank you for wasting my Sunday and making me a worse Deadlock player :)
Warden is so difficult to play against. People buy both barriers and resists and make him very difficult to kill in solo fights. His whole kit is made to rush like a mad man.
As a guy who likes the squishy high damage heros with lifesteal (mostly infernus, sometimes haze) I'm deathly afraid of warden. He can chase you down and just pummel you into the dirt. I don't stop fearing him until I get like 40k souls on infernus, where my lifesteal and damage outdo his lol
I agree, I don't think Ivy is S tier by being the strongest character in the game, but i think shes a character that can build almost anything and do good which makes her valuable in almost any team which is what i think im understanding about her S tier placement
not hating to hate but yea the problem with your tier lists for some of the heros you rate is that you literally only play 3 characters and then you'll rate like mirage bad( which you placed him higher this patch but he was definitely stronger before) and then warden placing him in d tier for the memes
They completely neutered Wraith after the ult change. I used to have a solid 60% win ratio with her but after the changes I can barely win any games. This was unfortunately the last nail in the coffin for me and this game. I'll give it a shot again once they officially release it.
That ult was completely broken after she got farmed, one shot anyone in the game every 70 seconds running around invis, absolutely deserved to be changed
I believe Yamato is still A tier at least, that's why she have almost 100% pick\ban rate in comps and above 60% pickrate through all ranks. She have great spirit scaling, more than many spirit oriented heroes - great early burst and even greater potential for late, her autos are extremely good at confirming\denying souls, and she has heal on skill and ult. Moreover her ult essentially gives you two armours and unstoppable and heal on kill, this is like 14700+ souls worth of free items, which allows her to spec more heavily into damage much early on. This is just too much in 1 hero at the same time without serious disadvantages.
You clearly misunderstand how Seven works… He is not about the ultimate it’s just a zoning utility His strength is farming potential and crazy damage on his 3
@@christophermiller8252 EShift makes you almost immobile for 3 seconds, long seconds you're not allowed to dps, as a general damage dealer to avoid an interrupt of 0.8s, not worth. Both are not pocket and can't just vanish after that, or save their asses like infernus' ult, the fly is their steroid buff, not an escape, every second you lose during that period is your team suffering a deficit. Debuff Remover in that case is far more potent than EShift, you can still flee/fight the situation and you earn some debuff resist against other odds (Seven's stun, Abrams') and the worst one Slowing Hex. So you can keep your EShift for worst cases scenarios (Lash's ult).
Thanks for checking winrates. This was my the only complain about your tier list videos. I don't say you should put heroes on the table just based on winrate, because in this case we don't need the video. I want to know why hero at the bottom of winrate but you think it's A tier. I would be glad if you check winrates for more heroes in the next videos.
I kind of feel like Viscous, Mirage, Yamato, Lash, Grey Talon should be higher. I get that Infernus got huge buffs this patch and having a lot of flame dashes is great, but I still don't think he is strong enough to be in top A tier, not sure about Haze either. Thanks for the video
@@KamaraUSmirage will win you games early. He is ruthless at the beginning but does have issues if the game go for too long. He is the opposite of old haze where she needs time to get strong
The only thing i would cahnge in my opinion is Lash to top off A, Vindicta to top off B, Kelvin and mirage to the middle of B and Mcginnis to C. This is my opinion from playing deadlock they are not correct or factual just how i view the different heroes in the game.
@@AverageJonasI don’t think he’s in that bad of a spot though he feels strong/ average in my games and from he’s picked in scrims so. But I does seem only gun build is viable
I’m going to keep commenting until he figures this out. Stop blocking the list with your camera. Top right would be a good option or even in D tier bc that’s what this tier list usually is.
I'd say tier list accurate for what I experience in game. People have to realize that context matters. Just becuase you got shat on by a vindicta one game doesnt mean shes S tier. The next game that same vindicta player runs up against a co-ordinated team that priotizes her with knockdowns etc and has a terrible time. Definitely varies
I love tuning in to Jonas' tier lists just to see how bad it is lol. Warden is finally S tier after being put in the lowest tiers BEFORE he even got the consecutive nerfs. Now there's a C tier Vindicta...
I really feel like they keep fumbling the design of Bebop Like you have a character whose entire game plan revolves around hooking enemies and comboing, and 9 times out of 10 GunBop is the only viable option I’m hopeful they redesign him a bit in the future or at least make him more fun because he’s such a cool and interesting character
@ double peeking the abilities and tiers hook+uppercut combo does benefit gunbop I could be wrong in thinking that bebop’s abilities are poorly designed, it could also be that Bebop’s hook is slow as hell and gets outclassed by Paradox swap
@@DryingPanzer The two move at relatively the same speed from experience, but I haven't checked to see a direct comparison, more going off of my own games. I'd like to know what tier this is supposed to be in reference to, because at least into red ranks, Bebop is perfectly fine.
@ okay yeah I’m high ritualist/orange (peak low emissary/red because I’m a heavy coper) The difference I would say is at least with Paradox, she can use carbine to basically slow somebody in place long enough to throw out ult
@@DryingPanzer She does have kit to help with hitting it, but missing it hurts far more and the limited range also hurts as well. I feel like a lot of what this youtuber is saying is in contrast to the benefits of what bebop brings to the table. Being able to completely break enemy ranks has won me many more a team-fight than it hasn't, and almost his entire kit can do it. I will say though, it is very easy to determine a good bebop from one that isn't. He takes a bit of practice and patience.
shouldnt it just push the winrate of haze towards 50% if shes in every game. but shes bad enough in eternus lobbies that if u see a haze on your team. the enemy already has a 56.5% chance of beating you just for having haze on your team @@saltminer4463
I mean like you have to look at data right? Like this list is just for you - so it’s trash. I enjoy your content but this tier list making needs to be more balanced with input. 😊
The game is literally in Alpha… it hasn’t wven launched yet officially. Sometimes when tou send an invite it doesnt go through The balance is going to be really wacky. How is it dying?
@@abdouliejallow768 because jb6409 said so. Yknow hes the main dev on the game and they are gonna be cancelling the game forever now cus jb6408 said so
I don't think it was the heal changes. The lower player count rn has more to do with burnout, the ranked queue system and also Marvel Rivals pulling people from other games since it's fresh. But I think it will go up and down until Valve makes a big move or begins to push the game harder.
@@justink8156I think they are focusing too much time on balance. The balance right now is fine to leave for the foreseeable future. It’s time for valve to stop focusing on existing characters and start introducing a) more items b) map changes or new map in general and c) more characters. It’d a beta game. This is the best time to Move fast and break things
Your videos always suck. I always watch them until the end in case I'm wrong. I subscribe to your channel so that I can watch your next video and make sure it still sucks and that I don't learn anything. Thank you for wasting my Sunday and making me a worse Deadlock player :)
Um. BASED?
Watch out he has a line up for your house
Competitive hating
Who hurt you bro 💀
YOU ARE SO GOATED
Warden is so difficult to play against. People buy both barriers and resists and make him very difficult to kill in solo fights. His whole kit is made to rush like a mad man.
Warden is one of my top heroes he is insane and fits my play style perfectly. I also enjoy Infernus, and I've been playing shiv alot recently
Yeah I played a aggressive warden and buddy went 1-13 I guess not all wardens are made the same
As a guy who likes the squishy high damage heros with lifesteal (mostly infernus, sometimes haze) I'm deathly afraid of warden. He can chase you down and just pummel you into the dirt. I don't stop fearing him until I get like 40k souls on infernus, where my lifesteal and damage outdo his lol
The bebop downplay is real
debuff remover = bebop useless
@@blackfirexvii17 Gunbop: laughs in grapple + uppercut + m1
@@destinydemonalpha5653 gun bebop is the way to go for sure
calling bebop D tier is crazy, the nature of hook's existance guarantees he will always be good
it's literally a paradox ult on an ability.
@9xkysR but arguably better since you don't swap yourself into the enemy team AND have uppercut to force people to hug walkers/guardians
and the bomb build with echo shard is insane. as main bebop i am glad thats D tier so i can play him at every single game xd
@@agelaggel6591 bomb build bebop is a gimmick, gun build bebop is terrifying
@@agelaggel6591bombbop only really works in low elo.
Vindicta C with 60% WR in Eternus 💀
That’s why the deadlock’s meta tier list is better: www.youtube.com/@thedeadlockmeta
And yet you ignored when he talked about wr not being fully reliable and that you should check how the wr changes
@@CroissantsAndRoses lol hide your spam better next time
This list is delusional on so many levels
I agree, I don't think Ivy is S tier by being the strongest character in the game, but i think shes a character that can build almost anything and do good which makes her valuable in almost any team which is what i think im understanding about her S tier placement
The weapon damage on Warden's gun is ridiculous atm.
Same with mirage
shhh
I wish more people played kelvin. It’s so good to have him on the team
Who tf are you bruh
@@MentorX14 idk
not hating to hate but yea the problem with your tier lists for some of the heros you rate is that you literally only play 3 characters and then you'll rate like mirage bad( which you placed him higher this patch but he was definitely stronger before) and then warden placing him in d tier for the memes
??? I literally play more than 10 heroes regularly and have builds for all of them
@ yet you were just completely wrong and if anyone questions it you get an ego lol
I’m glad Pocket’s ult got changed cuz it was so annoying for him to force you to run to base if you didn’t have minimum 80% hp
Wraith: huge buff overall. Ult rework that is lowkey a buff as well.
Jonas: she took a nerf. B tier
My face: 😮
They completely neutered Wraith after the ult change. I used to have a solid 60% win ratio with her but after the changes I can barely win any games. This was unfortunately the last nail in the coffin for me and this game. I'll give it a shot again once they officially release it.
CHAD BALANCE CHANGE, F()CK WRAITH
NOW DESTROY DYNAMO PLEASE
Wraith deserved it great
Play more than 1 character. She's not as deep as something like lash or paradox. Her ultimate was lame bro
That ult was completely broken after she got farmed, one shot anyone in the game every 70 seconds running around invis, absolutely deserved to be changed
Man, I miss the days when Bebop's bomb and ult (the abilities that're supposed to do damage by nature) did damage.
Love the vids and the streams, keep it up!
all respect but feels like we playing different games
Who tf are you bruh
What I feel like this is a pretty standard tier list tbh
Low elo ig
get better sorry
Kelvin in A is crazy, he feels so low impact at the moment. Supports need some support.
Agree with 90% of the tierlist. I think echo seven with duration is pretty damn good. I’d move him up a little
Vindicta should be in at least A tier, talon should be higher too
I believe Yamato is still A tier at least, that's why she have almost 100% pick\ban rate in comps and above 60% pickrate through all ranks.
She have great spirit scaling, more than many spirit oriented heroes - great early burst and even greater potential for late, her autos are extremely good at confirming\denying souls, and she has heal on skill and ult.
Moreover her ult essentially gives you two armours and unstoppable and heal on kill, this is like 14700+ souls worth of free items, which allows her to spec more heavily into damage much early on. This is just too much in 1 hero at the same time without serious disadvantages.
You clearly misunderstand how Seven works…
He is not about the ultimate it’s just a zoning utility
His strength is farming potential and crazy damage on his 3
Vindicta and talon downplay is ridiculous, agree on seven and bebop though.
Learn to knockdown one day
@@almiser you see a lot of them get eshift to counter knock down now, it’s definitely not guaranteed unless your team has multiple
@@almiser you see a lot of them buy eshift to counter knockdown now, definitely not guaranteed unless your team has multiple
@@christophermiller8252 EShift makes you almost immobile for 3 seconds, long seconds you're not allowed to dps, as a general damage dealer to avoid an interrupt of 0.8s, not worth.
Both are not pocket and can't just vanish after that, or save their asses like infernus' ult, the fly is their steroid buff, not an escape, every second you lose during that period is your team suffering a deficit.
Debuff Remover in that case is far more potent than EShift, you can still flee/fight the situation and you earn some debuff resist against other odds (Seven's stun, Abrams') and the worst one Slowing Hex. So you can keep your EShift for worst cases scenarios (Lash's ult).
Damn, i knew Paradox was strong but not SO strong.
I suck that much then 💀
Love the videos!
Thanks for checking winrates. This was my the only complain about your tier list videos. I don't say you should put heroes on the table just based on winrate, because in this case we don't need the video. I want to know why hero at the bottom of winrate but you think it's A tier. I would be glad if you check winrates for more heroes in the next videos.
we love the warden redemption ark.
i think they should make Sevens ult a lot shorter but more damage. Basically more similar to Haze's ult i suppose but still worse
I refuse to believe Bebop is D tier. This is all just a ploy to get more Bebop buffs by Bebop enjoyers lol.
I kind of feel like Viscous, Mirage, Yamato, Lash, Grey Talon should be higher. I get that Infernus got huge buffs this patch and having a lot of flame dashes is great, but I still don't think he is strong enough to be in top A tier, not sure about Haze either. Thanks for the video
Mirage is crazy good lol being able to TP to team fights while pushing lanes consistently and he absolutely has good damages and abilities
Shhhh don’t tell people how strong viscous is
@@KamaraUSmirage will win you games early. He is ruthless at the beginning but does have issues if the game go for too long.
He is the opposite of old haze where she needs time to get strong
i fewel like paradox is a good duelist if they use their wall well
Thanks for the tierlist! Happy grinding jonas! :)
Please, make Ivy gun build video, to help me convince my brother not to rush lucky shot in every game and loosing it :D
I might do actually, played a lot of Ivy yesterday!
Finally warden going to s tier I hate that man rn
The only thing i would cahnge in my opinion is Lash to top off A, Vindicta to top off B, Kelvin and mirage to the middle of B and Mcginnis to C. This is my opinion from playing deadlock they are not correct or factual just how i view the different heroes in the game.
Kelvin is complete buns
Geist and Shiv on B .. Vindicta on C!!! lmao this list
Lash is for gigachads only
Why are your comments so fcuking bad hahaha everyone is complaining. I guess i am too now.
My pleasure!!
@@AverageJonas Just to clarify i like your videos, i was poking fun at the people in the comments lol
Hell yeah, infernus gang rise up
McGinnis is honestly so bad now, i think its clear they dont know how to balance her and should probably rework her kit
The constant complaining about bbop..
I am not complaining, I love playing bebop, he’s my main, he just isn’t that great
always asking for buffs on bebop when his hook is a coin flip of a bug
@@AverageJonasI don’t think he’s in that bad of a spot though he feels strong/ average in my games and from he’s picked in scrims so. But I does seem only gun build is viable
@@bigtrenches7371he's picked in scrims because walex is too good. It speaks to the player not the hero.
@@tiecho OBT has also been playing him in FACEIT. I am by no means saying he’s particularly strong/ meta but I don’t think he’s weak.
About time!!! 😅
I’m going to keep commenting until he figures this out. Stop blocking the list with your camera. Top right would be a good option or even in D tier bc that’s what this tier list usually is.
this the only real tierlist
I'd say tier list accurate for what I experience in game. People have to realize that context matters. Just becuase you got shat on by a vindicta one game doesnt mean shes S tier. The next game that same vindicta player runs up against a co-ordinated team that priotizes her with knockdowns etc and has a terrible time. Definitely varies
Game feels kinda bad right now honestly, every game is the same exact matchup it gets old
I love tuning in to Jonas' tier lists just to see how bad it is lol. Warden is finally S tier after being put in the lowest tiers BEFORE he even got the consecutive nerfs. Now there's a C tier Vindicta...
I appreciate your continued support! Keep up the hate
I really feel like they keep fumbling the design of Bebop
Like you have a character whose entire game plan revolves around hooking enemies and comboing, and 9 times out of 10 GunBop is the only viable option
I’m hopeful they redesign him a bit in the future or at least make him more fun because he’s such a cool and interesting character
Is gunbop not reliant on hooking people and uppercutting them?
@ double peeking the abilities and tiers hook+uppercut combo does benefit gunbop
I could be wrong in thinking that bebop’s abilities are poorly designed, it could also be that Bebop’s hook is slow as hell and gets outclassed by Paradox swap
@@DryingPanzer The two move at relatively the same speed from experience, but I haven't checked to see a direct comparison, more going off of my own games. I'd like to know what tier this is supposed to be in reference to, because at least into red ranks, Bebop is perfectly fine.
@ okay yeah I’m high ritualist/orange (peak low emissary/red because I’m a heavy coper)
The difference I would say is at least with Paradox, she can use carbine to basically slow somebody in place long enough to throw out ult
@@DryingPanzer She does have kit to help with hitting it, but missing it hurts far more and the limited range also hurts as well. I feel like a lot of what this youtuber is saying is in contrast to the benefits of what bebop brings to the table. Being able to completely break enemy ranks has won me many more a team-fight than it hasn't, and almost his entire kit can do it.
I will say though, it is very easy to determine a good bebop from one that isn't. He takes a bit of practice and patience.
bebop is not d tier that's wild
You’re just not good at the game bebop is a bad champ in actual higher elos
SEVEN ULT IS STRONG NOW IF YOU PLAY RIGHT
no😂😂😂
No
Bro is onto nothing
"haze has a high pickrate so thats gonna lower the winrate in general" 09:21
brother what
If she’s picked in almost every game it’s gonna be near impossible for her to get above a 50% w/r
it’s not lower necessarily but brings it closer to 50% so in this case will lower it
shouldnt it just push the winrate of haze towards 50% if shes in every game. but shes bad enough in eternus lobbies that if u see a haze on your team. the enemy already has a 56.5% chance of beating you just for having haze on your team @@saltminer4463
basic statistics
I meant closer to 50% my bad (because it was higher than 50 so i said lower)
I mean like you have to look at data right? Like this list is just for you - so it’s trash. I enjoy your content but this tier list making needs to be more balanced with input. 😊
Meow
Ded geam
People who are eager to call a game dead are annoying
The game is dying
The game is literally in Alpha… it hasn’t wven launched yet officially. Sometimes when tou send an invite it doesnt go through
The balance is going to be really wacky. How is it dying?
@@abdouliejallow768 because jb6409 said so. Yknow hes the main dev on the game and they are gonna be cancelling the game forever now cus jb6408 said so
only thing that is dying is Apex Legends. Your boy Pathfinder on ur profile picture knows it
🤣
Please explain how a game can be dying when it’s not even released?
deadlock completely fell off after its heal changes
Yep the new stack every damage item with no strategy meta is garbage
@@VaporCunhow? there are so many utility items that are abused
I don't think it was the heal changes. The lower player count rn has more to do with burnout, the ranked queue system and also Marvel Rivals pulling people from other games since it's fresh. But I think it will go up and down until Valve makes a big move or begins to push the game harder.
@justink8156 this too but for me it is all about freaking balances
@@justink8156I think they are focusing too much time on balance. The balance right now is fine to leave for the foreseeable future. It’s time for valve to stop focusing on existing characters and start introducing a) more items b) map changes or new map in general and c) more characters.
It’d a beta game. This is the best time to Move fast and break things