Interesting information and extremely well presented. To me (not an HVAC professional) this was a technology I haven't heard described before. Thank you for the the introduction.
Mike, remember when we had to buy distributor wrenches to adjust the timing on our cars? Now, there are no distributors anymore. Technology is always evolving and we will adapt to whatever changes come to HVAC. The important thing is that you will be there to guide and teach us how to be successful. And for that I say thank you. Merry Christmas to you and your family 🎄
@@JerseyMikeHVACyeah but modern iridium spark plugs last about 100k kilometers or (60k miles) so the moving things out of the way for 10 mins doesn't really matter that much
Refrigerants are not going away for a while. The reason is that they are inately unidirectional as the cycle is running. The heat is moved isolated and released. Magnetocaloric systems are cyclic so it needs a traditional heat pump to isolate and move the heat away. What the DOE Sandra Labs was doing with them was trying to replace the stirling cycle cooler for thermal imager and high sensitivity radioatikn sensors with an all solid state option. It was a fan cooed heat pipe on a large peltier stack with gadolinium at the top to reach LN2 temperatures in seconds instead of a few minutes. The trade iff was the power consumption,spending 300W to do the same job a 50W stirling cooler could do.
Perhaps the "Pelter effect" solid state refrigerator can be combined with this system. Much progress made recently in Fusion power also . I retired from DOE nuclear research. Excellent 👍 Thank you
Neither of those are happening. Peltier effect is a real thing but horribly inefficient. You can try for yourself. About $50 will buy you a unit to play with. It can keep a small thing cooler on one side than the other but uses vast amounts of energy compared to an A/C unit to do it. Their benefits are they are quiet and can be made small. They are sometimes used as CPU coolers. As for fusion, it's been 50 years away for the last 50 years and will continue to be. It recently hit "breakeven" but that is useless as you need 100x or more energy out than in to cover the energy costs of running, building the plant, getting fuel, infrastructure, etc. Oil is about 50x (which is known a EROEI) and current nuclear is about 75x. Still waiting for molten salt and other Gen IV reactors which showed well past break-even in the 60s and just now are starting to gain real traction. They will arrive well before fusion and they are still probably 20 years away from meaningful commercial deployment.
@LFTRnow recently Fusion has made tremendous breakthroughs.. I work for US Dept of Energy Nuclear science physics etc. I have a degree in such. Peltier effect in massive quantities over a large surface area like Greenland combined with solar panels. Photo electric effect and Peltier effect combination on one unit . Thorium fueled sodium reactor was built in 1960s by AEC in Idaho . Now China is building one in remote area. I read Japan has the longest most efficient fusion sustained now.
I am a design researcher/ engineer for the HVAC industry…..and For a number of years now, work has been proceeding in order to bring perfection to the crudely conceived idea of an HVAC system that would not only supply inverse reactive current, for use in unilateral phase detractors, but would also be capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters. Now basically the only new principle involved is that instead of power being generated by the relative motion of conductors and fluxes, the electrical power is produced by something that “they” are calling the “modial interaction of magneto-reluctance , and capacitive diractance.” The the original compressor design had a base plate made of a substance called “pre-famulated amulite “surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing…..and they designed it in such a way that the two spurving bearings were in a direct line ,with the panametric fan. (The latter consisted simply of six hydrocoptic marzlevanes, fitted to the ambifacient lunar wane-shaft ) this new design change effectively prevented “side fumbling” inside the compressors…. Anyway….( I’ll try to keep it simple ) The main winding of the “new style” compressor was of the normal lotus-o-delta type ,….and it was placed in a “panendermic semi-boloid slots “ of the stator, every seventh conductor being connected by a non-reversible tremie pipe to the differential girdle spring on the “up” end of the grammeters….. The encabulator compressor (as we call it 😅) has now reached a high level of development, and it’s being successfully used in the operation of commercial rooftop systems and now they are moving towards ,smaller residential systems …. Anyway … the idea with the new design is…..whenever a forescent skor motion is required, it may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration.( In some instances) ….. it will be interesting to see what happens in the next 2 years …..the EPA has so many new rules that the entire HVAC industry will simply need to change …. But, I think in the long run it will be much more efficient for everyone…🤓
Technology like this will probably be commercially viable just before fusion power is. They don't even have a working physical prototype of the design yet, although it seems that the principle is proven.
Fusion has always been just 30 years away... But then again you never get to the end if the goalpost moves up the road along with you Always just 30 meters away and you have been running for miles
Wow interesting stuff... just to think that in January new Refrigerants come into play ...(more flammable) btw ...I wonder what else scientists and engineers are working on for the future of HVAC 😮 Thanks Mike...your friend from Jersey
This is why I tell everybody to get a electrical background as well as a computer degree because air condition future is all going to be computer as well
I once investigated a similar concept using gasses. Though there are metallic gasses, e.g. uranium hexafluoride, none of them are metallic (iron, nickel, cobalt, gadolinium, dysprosium or terbium). The existence of such compounds would have enabled refrigeration that does not require phase change but would use magnetic alignment to change gas entropy and temperature.
Dude great video. I’ve always wondered what the safety margin was. One thing I still wonder about is EMT conduit thermal performance since the diameter of the conduit is dependent on the load and number of conductive wires it contains.
Love your ending! The new thing, requires new tools. Sadly my mining equipment doesn't have enough memory, so have to buy new GPUs for AI. ;) Different field; similar issues. Thanks again!
It would be interesting to see when people use Tesla's newest heat pump in a residential application. The simplicity of this design would make it revolutionary!
There's nothing actually special about Tesla's heat pump.... Literally nothing about it other companies aren't doing.... The "special" part people talk about is the octovalve, an 8 way valve the distributes heat and cooling between the cabin and batteries. All made out of on piece of aluminum, saving size and weight. But this has no application in home hvac
@@sportbikeguy9875The only applications to use from here would be the mass production of such compact setups. Albeit the compactness is seldom necessary stationary settings.
Thinking about all of the tools acquired (even today) to keep up with the modern evolution of this industry as artifacts or obsolete is 🥵🤢🤮. The useful and physical life shortened by scientific breakthroughs. CFCs, HCFCs, HFCs, and HFOs. If they were policed properly and handled responsibly would have never caused as much damage to the atmosphere. If they only knew then what is known today. This is a very interesting approach. Let's hope gadolinium doesn't create an even worse byproduct.🤷🏽♂️ Who knows, Mike, maybe we'll just have to plug in a laptop 💻, communicate with the boards, retain feedback, and the unit will inform us of it's defective "organ" and will self-install upon arrival.🤔 Thanks for the insight and a Merry Christmas to you and yours ✌🏽
This is moonshine! Yes, there is magnetic refrigeration, primarily used at cryogenic temperatures. To become efficient for home refrigerators, A/C units, or heat pumps, you need 10 tesla magnet. THAT requires superconducting magnet held at 4 degrees Kelvin or less. Even if that is feasible, the refrigeration is done by solid. You need to have 2 heat-carrying loops. Guess what that is? REFRIGERANTS which require circulation to heat exchangers (4 of them!)
Lifetime efficiency is the key here. Why have an inefficient high tech solution if there are coolants that are environmentaly friendly or compensate their effect by using less energy in their lifetime?
I'm very happy that Google decided to allow me to connect. We're talking physics here which is nothing new to anyone hdre who has been following you. Your viewers seem to be mechanics themselves. All of this was inevitable. This is Nikola Tesla expressing himself. I'm a new addition to the peanut gallery.
Recall that this same argument was made when refrigerant-based units were introduced to replace iceboxes, which were-get ready-literally just boxes filled with ice. There was a whole ice harvesting and home delivery infrastructure involved (Nancy Drew’s boyfriend worked as an iceman in one of the movies). It was only after the war, when people’s bank accounts were fat with wartime wages, that the new technology took off. We might see something similar happen if the reindustrialization of America actually works.
If it's practical you'll see it in a small box first like a refrigerator. The problem with these non refrigerant based methods is the heat they produce then no where to get rid of the heat. Not as much a problem for a heat pump in heating mode, a big problem trying to cool. What are they using in refrigerators now? Isobutane and propane. Big problems for HVAC due to leaks and refrigerant volume needed to work. It can be done, Europe has them now. The solid state stuff is more in the realm of click bait, what youtube is mostly famous for. Here's the real likely real future R290 heat pump > ruclips.net/video/GVNyB2LiUx0/видео.html
I wish them luck with their research development. Projects like these can take a looong time to hit mass production, we'll just have to wait & see. Hope it's not a cold fusion clone.
@@johnroberts3824 yeah they need more than luck to do it. As far as I know all these caloric methods produce heat to create the cooling effect. Then you got efficiency problems on top of that, size problems, cost and so on. Companies worth billions of dollars competing with other companies worth billions of dollars. All of them with engineering teams. If one of them could do it one of them would do it. The end.
No need to eliminate refrigerants if you go to CO2. It is still missing a lot of the economies of scale and the advances related to such exploration. And it is already in commercial use, and not that much more expensive.
This is the dumbest concern, worrying about a few tons of refrigerant, when cars and aircraft are dumping billion of tons of green house gases per day... first they should worry about that, before causing headache in the HVAC and Refrigeration industry
The issue is not in contributing toward the greenhouse effect, it’s that it already opened up the hole in the ozone layer, the ozone layer is what keeps the sun from giving us skin cancer, totally different issue.
AH, please get the teensiest bit of education before forming a conclusion, OK? R22 is 2,000 times as potent a GHG as CO2. Plus, each GHG blocks its own frequency band, and everything is exponential. Thus, a little bit of a DIFFERENT gas will cause more warming (because its low atmospheric concentration is easy to double) than a shit ton of CO2 because we're not even doubling CO2 concentrations yet, even after 200 years or so.
Ive been talking about this for years, I am glad that I merely have to have thoughts for the universe to progress. I can just sit back and relax.
Interesting information and extremely well presented. To me (not an HVAC professional) this was a technology I haven't heard described before. Thank you for the the introduction.
Mike, remember when we had to buy distributor wrenches to adjust the timing on our cars? Now, there are no distributors anymore. Technology is always evolving and we will adapt to whatever changes come to HVAC. The important thing is that you will be there to guide and teach us how to be successful. And for that I say thank you. Merry Christmas to you and your family 🎄
Yup. I remember being able to change spark plugs without moving 15 things out of the way too.
@@JerseyMikeHVACyeah but modern iridium spark plugs last about 100k kilometers or (60k miles) so the moving things out of the way for 10 mins doesn't really matter that much
Going to have to get my flux capacitor calibrated. 😊
Refrigerants are not going away for a while. The reason is that they are inately unidirectional as the cycle is running. The heat is moved isolated and released. Magnetocaloric systems are cyclic so it needs a traditional heat pump to isolate and move the heat away. What the DOE Sandra Labs was doing with them was trying to replace the stirling cycle cooler for thermal imager and high sensitivity radioatikn sensors with an all solid state option. It was a fan cooed heat pipe on a large peltier stack with gadolinium at the top to reach LN2 temperatures in seconds instead of a few minutes. The trade iff was the power consumption,spending 300W to do the same job a 50W stirling cooler could do.
Thank you
First time I have ever seen this. Thanks for the information. I will be paying attention to development's of this in the future.
Perhaps the
"Pelter effect" solid state refrigerator can be combined with this system.
Much progress made recently in Fusion power also .
I retired from DOE nuclear research.
Excellent 👍 Thank you
Neither of those are happening. Peltier effect is a real thing but horribly inefficient. You can try for yourself. About $50 will buy you a unit to play with. It can keep a small thing cooler on one side than the other but uses vast amounts of energy compared to an A/C unit to do it. Their benefits are they are quiet and can be made small. They are sometimes used as CPU coolers.
As for fusion, it's been 50 years away for the last 50 years and will continue to be. It recently hit "breakeven" but that is useless as you need 100x or more energy out than in to cover the energy costs of running, building the plant, getting fuel, infrastructure, etc. Oil is about 50x (which is known a EROEI) and current nuclear is about 75x. Still waiting for molten salt and other Gen IV reactors which showed well past break-even in the 60s and just now are starting to gain real traction. They will arrive well before fusion and they are still probably 20 years away from meaningful commercial deployment.
@LFTRnow recently Fusion has made tremendous breakthroughs..
I work for US Dept of Energy Nuclear science physics etc.
I have a degree in such.
Peltier effect in massive quantities over a large surface area like Greenland combined with solar panels.
Photo electric effect and Peltier effect combination on one unit .
Thorium fueled sodium reactor was built in 1960s by AEC in Idaho .
Now China is building one in remote area.
I read Japan has the longest most efficient fusion sustained now.
I am a design researcher/ engineer for the HVAC industry…..and For a number of years now, work has been proceeding in order to bring perfection to the crudely conceived idea of an HVAC system that would not only supply inverse reactive current, for use in unilateral phase detractors, but would also be capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters.
Now basically the only new principle involved is that instead of power being generated by the relative motion of conductors and fluxes, the electrical power is produced by something that “they” are calling the “modial interaction of magneto-reluctance , and capacitive diractance.”
The the original compressor design had a base plate made of a substance called “pre-famulated amulite “surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing…..and they designed it in such a way that the two spurving bearings were in a direct line ,with the panametric fan. (The latter consisted simply of six hydrocoptic marzlevanes, fitted to the ambifacient lunar wane-shaft ) this new design change effectively prevented “side fumbling” inside the compressors….
Anyway….( I’ll try to keep it simple )
The main winding of the “new style” compressor was of the normal lotus-o-delta type ,….and it was placed in a “panendermic semi-boloid slots “ of the stator, every seventh conductor being connected by a non-reversible tremie pipe to the differential girdle spring on the “up” end of the grammeters…..
The encabulator compressor (as we call it 😅) has now reached a high level of development, and it’s being successfully used in the operation of commercial rooftop systems and now they are moving towards ,smaller residential systems ….
Anyway … the idea with the new design is…..whenever a forescent skor motion is required, it may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration.( In some instances) ….. it will be interesting to see what happens in the next 2 years …..the EPA has so many new rules that the entire HVAC industry will simply need to change …. But, I think in the long run it will be much more efficient for everyone…🤓
What in heaven's name are you talking about?
@@vasiliynkudryavtsevhe is trying to be funny
@@Alex-lc1bv I know. That's why I answered with the quote from Gangs of NY.
re-post on april1st😁
lol
Technology like this will probably be commercially viable just before fusion power is. They don't even have a working physical prototype of the design yet, although it seems that the principle is proven.
Fusion has always been just 30 years away...
But then again you never get to the end if the goalpost moves up the road along with you
Always just 30 meters away and you have been running for miles
Why is there a picture of an old gaming PC motherboard at 2:38 and some alien apparatus at 2:40? What does it have to do with heat pumps? 🤔
Between this guy and Hyperspace Pirate I am convinced that all HVAC guys sound the same.
Can't wait to see this in 50 years.
0:39 " the smallest... ..compressor of its size"
And the largest, too!
Wow interesting stuff... just to think that in January new Refrigerants come into play ...(more flammable) btw ...I wonder what else scientists and engineers are working on for the future of HVAC 😮
Thanks Mike...your friend from Jersey
This is why I tell everybody to get a electrical background as well as a computer degree because air condition future is all going to be computer as well
There's also elastocaloric effect breakthroughs recently?
Gonna need to get my magnehelic calibrated 😁
I once investigated a similar concept using gasses. Though there are metallic gasses, e.g. uranium hexafluoride, none of them are metallic (iron, nickel, cobalt, gadolinium, dysprosium or terbium). The existence of such compounds would have enabled refrigeration that does not require phase change but would use magnetic alignment to change gas entropy and temperature.
Dude great video. I’ve always wondered what the safety margin was.
One thing I still wonder about is EMT conduit thermal performance since the diameter of the conduit is dependent on the load and number of conductive wires it contains.
Interesting, that means no compressors?
Look up sound powered refrigerators.
...but you still need pumps to move heat-exchange fluid (REFRIGERANTS) to transport heat to/from the "magic" magnetic refrigerator.
Gas/ Liquid free Cooling systems are 30yr away just like they and fusion is 30 yr.
Dude sounds like dean from supernatural
Love your ending! The new thing, requires new tools. Sadly my mining equipment doesn't have enough memory, so have to buy new GPUs for AI. ;)
Different field; similar issues. Thanks again!
Efficiency?
It would be interesting to see when people use Tesla's newest heat pump in a residential application. The simplicity of this design would make it revolutionary!
There's nothing actually special about Tesla's heat pump.... Literally nothing about it other companies aren't doing....
The "special" part people talk about is the octovalve, an 8 way valve the distributes heat and cooling between the cabin and batteries. All made out of on piece of aluminum, saving size and weight. But this has no application in home hvac
@@sportbikeguy9875The only applications to use from here would be the mass production of such compact setups. Albeit the compactness is seldom necessary stationary settings.
Space applications for this…fantastic development
2:07 "Look what they need to mimic a fraction of my power".meme
Dude, this tech is so far away, we barely just started with regular heat pumps yet
Thank you
Thinking about all of the tools acquired (even today) to keep up with the modern evolution of this industry as artifacts or obsolete is
🥵🤢🤮. The useful and physical life shortened by scientific breakthroughs. CFCs, HCFCs, HFCs, and HFOs. If they were policed properly and handled responsibly would have never caused as much damage to the atmosphere. If they only knew then what is known today. This is a very interesting approach. Let's hope gadolinium doesn't create an even worse byproduct.🤷🏽♂️ Who knows, Mike, maybe we'll just have to plug in a laptop 💻, communicate with the boards, retain feedback, and the unit will inform us of it's defective "organ" and will self-install upon arrival.🤔 Thanks for the insight and a Merry Christmas to you and yours ✌🏽
The self-install part excited me the most. ha.
Interesting stuff
Would love to see this stuff but I'm not holding my breath.
@ we shall see, desiccant is a viable option as well.
@JerseyMikeHVAC you think it's going nowhere? Or just multiple decades out?
Wow!!
I guess it works as plan. Eletric cars will be next.😅
Ames lab mentioned!!
This is moonshine! Yes, there is magnetic refrigeration, primarily used at cryogenic temperatures. To become efficient for home refrigerators, A/C units, or heat pumps, you need 10 tesla magnet. THAT requires superconducting magnet held at 4 degrees Kelvin or less.
Even if that is feasible, the refrigeration is done by solid. You need to have 2 heat-carrying loops. Guess what that is? REFRIGERANTS which require circulation to heat exchangers (4 of them!)
It could be Less wears and tears and less work for us as technician
And they could fall apart in a year and keeping you busy
You might say it's Mag NETO 😂
Thermo magnetic resonance cooling...
Lifetime efficiency is the key here. Why have an inefficient high tech solution if there are coolants that are environmentaly friendly or compensate their effect by using less energy in their lifetime?
Other elements can have the same effect a boron doped aluminum chromium crystal could offer better results
I believe we have technology way beyond this but you cant charge $$ for free power.
Self-delusion is also zero cost.
We are bathed daily in free power, the cost is turning it into a usable form.
@@Rex-l2t well said
I'm very happy that Google decided to allow me to connect. We're talking physics here which is nothing new to anyone hdre who has been following you. Your viewers seem to be mechanics themselves. All of this was inevitable. This is Nikola Tesla expressing himself. I'm a new addition to the peanut gallery.
Cryocoolers looks les complex than that.
There are cheaper materials than gadolinium, for this purpose
Yes, Increase the demand and mining for rare earth metals. Very environment friendly 🌿
Gotta buy new tools
That's what I'm afraid of. lol.
The majority of small bar refrigerators I've seen run on butane so I think instead of gadolinium we'll just use butane instead because it's cheaper.
So in short..5-15 years till it is real
It's more like "Introducing the $30,000 solution to a $3,000 problem".
Recall that this same argument was made when refrigerant-based units were introduced to replace iceboxes, which were-get ready-literally just boxes filled with ice. There was a whole ice harvesting and home delivery infrastructure involved (Nancy Drew’s boyfriend worked as an iceman in one of the movies). It was only after the war, when people’s bank accounts were fat with wartime wages, that the new technology took off. We might see something similar happen if the reindustrialization of America actually works.
@@isaackellogg3493 and we might go back to harvesting ice in the winter
and jumping in the pond in the summer😁😄😃
Works great for cooling but creates quantum holes in the Matrix causing gravity to increase - so much for SlimFast . . .
If it's practical you'll see it in a small box first like a refrigerator. The problem with these non refrigerant based methods is the heat they produce then no where to get rid of the heat. Not as much a problem for a heat pump in heating mode, a big problem trying to cool. What are they using in refrigerators now? Isobutane and propane. Big problems for HVAC due to leaks and refrigerant volume needed to work. It can be done, Europe has them now. The solid state stuff is more in the realm of click bait, what youtube is mostly famous for. Here's the real likely real future R290 heat pump > ruclips.net/video/GVNyB2LiUx0/видео.html
I wish them luck with their research development. Projects like these can take a looong time to hit mass production, we'll just have to wait & see. Hope it's not a cold fusion clone.
@@johnroberts3824 yeah they need more than luck to do it. As far as I know all these caloric methods produce heat to create the cooling effect. Then you got efficiency problems on top of that, size problems, cost and so on. Companies worth billions of dollars competing with other companies worth billions of dollars. All of them with engineering teams. If one of them could do it one of them would do it. The end.
believe it when you see it.
Radio isotope generator next lol
No need to eliminate refrigerants if you go to CO2. It is still missing a lot of the economies of scale and the advances related to such exploration. And it is already in commercial use, and not that much more expensive.
You'll have to call an M. I. T graduate to fix it when it breaks.
Fire
I want a cooler not a heater 😂
This is the dumbest concern, worrying about a few tons of refrigerant, when cars and aircraft are dumping billion of tons of green house gases per day... first they should worry about that, before causing headache in the HVAC and Refrigeration industry
The issue is not in contributing toward the greenhouse effect, it’s that it already opened up the hole in the ozone layer, the ozone layer is what keeps the sun from giving us skin cancer, totally different issue.
AH, please get the teensiest bit of education before forming a conclusion, OK?
R22 is 2,000 times as potent a GHG as CO2. Plus, each GHG blocks its own frequency band, and everything is exponential. Thus, a little bit of a DIFFERENT gas will cause more warming (because its low atmospheric concentration is easy to double) than a shit ton of CO2 because we're not even doubling CO2 concentrations yet, even after 200 years or so.
@@lyleandrews7913 that ozone hole you talking about , is not there anymore
They're flying their private jets all over the world telling us how much they worry about it ...
@@JerseyMikeHVAC 100000%