What games are you running at 200fps, whats your monitors refresh rate? Are you aware that if your running frames faster than your monitor can refresh your basically just burning out your GPU for no reason? I.e. If you run 200fps and your screen only refreshes the image in 1/60th of a second you'll have 200/60=3.3 frames calculated and only 1 of those frames will be refreshed to the monitor i.e. your rig is 66% inefficient and you'll have to replace your GPU 3 times more often than anyone else. Derp
"If graphics didn't matter I wouldn't keep upgrading, I'd stay with the Atari." This is the point I try and get across all the time, sure a good story line, character development etc. are important, but I want my games to look good too dammit.
***** Consoles are mini computers. Your contradicting what your saying in a sense. I'm really happy I got into PC Gaming, it's fun, cheap, and I mean things take a bit getting used to but it's so worth it. Consoles are closed off, don't expect mods or every crazy awesome indie, or if a game is pushing PC hardware with huge player counts, don't expect any of that on console. Graphics is a huge thing about PC however it has WAY more pros then just that.
Graphics are important, but they're only a footnote. Half of the games I've played this year have either been from the previous generation, or from the NES/SNES/GBA era. Metroid Fusion, the original Legend of Zelda, Super Mario World, Thief: The Dark Project and System Shock 2, Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights. Great gameplay stands on its own, but graphics do not.
Francis is right! and the cinematic thing, my friend told me that Dickrosoft payed Ubisoft to lock AC: Unity with 30 FPS to make it look cinematic... if somone wants to lock the damn FPS he can do it by himself in game options of softwares! why do i need to play 30 FPS with a great PC if i don't want to see a fucking movie?! it is a video game, not a movie!
There`s a reson why some games should be fps locked on consoles, simply put...if you don`t lock a game that you know will drain all the processing power of a multimedia console its not going to lag or nothing but the moment you go to home or change do a secondary app the console gets slow and sluggish, and this goes for both ps4 and xbox one, ps4 processing power it`s only 10fps faster on average than xbox one, so you can`t lock one console on 30fps and go with the assumption the other console could ever in a million years double that fps...you can lock at 30, or at 60...there`s no middle ground.
***** and as Francis stated, should we just lay back and let them fuck us in the ass? They need to be pushing their own limits, and if they can't, they need to be honest with us about it.
That's the thing Corey Hill, they don't NEED to do shit if will cost microsoft and playstation money, they launched new consoles with shit graphic cards so they can launch new consoles sooner...afterall almost all of the profits they gain are the sales of the consoles...its like iphone updating the hardware every year and everyone spending an absurd amount of money to keep up with the hardware...i just hope we as gamers are smarter than falling for this when the new gen comes (and trust me, i give it 3 years max for new consoles)
***** He was talking about gameplay, not graphics. The top comment was saying bad graphics doesn't mean the whole game is bad and saijandonut03's example was saying that GTA SA is a game with bad graphics but great gameplay. Also you can't blame Rockstar, the game was released in 2004. As for you saying the gameplay is bad, I guess everyone has their own opinion.
***** Like he said, everyone has their own opinions and I'm not going to get mad at you just because our opinions are different. I agree that it has bad graphics(at least for today's standards), but I love the gameplay, and really just the game as a whole is really great. I think it is the best in the series, and the ones that came after it don't even compare to it. This is just my opinion though.
The evil within was exactly like this, it looks like 720p because the black bars and its 30fps, I even played red dead redemption after evil within that I have on PS4 and RDR looked IDENTICALLY good !
Yea. This made me realize that graphics are a huge part of gameplay, but people with consoles have tried to separate the two to have the excuse of graphics not mattering, Since their potato consoles could never reach that point like PC's do.
consoles cost a fraction of what a good PC cost, and i dont want to hear about your $500 pc build that can run 4k, thats BS, PC gaming is not practical, if it was nobody would own consoles.
I just get sick of people saying "60 fps doesn't matter" if you can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps, the TV or monitor you are using is shit.
Gabe Freiman But there is no way that 30fps makes anything different, it's not preferences, it's the human eye and the human brain. 60fps means less input lag, meaning more responsiveness, meaning more immersion. 30fps means more input lag and jerky visuals, making for far less immersion.
Gabe Freiman A control scheme is entirely different to a game that responds faster and looks smoother. Most people that like 30fps either don't know 60fps even exists, haven't used it, or are simply stupid enough to be tricked by idiotic console players saying that "the human eye can't see over 30fps".
Graphics don't matter in the sense that a certain resolution or fps shouldn't be needed in order to enjoy certain games. For example, fanboys these days are making it sound like if x game is at x resolution or fps, then it isn't worth the money or is impossible to play. Graphics should enhance the overall feel of a game, shouldn't be the main selling point or what gets talked about the most.
I like when Francis starts breathing heavy and we hear a little bit of that deep boogie voice/accent on the breathing. I always thought Francis would be a little wheezy and nasally when he breaths heavy.
Iain Mckenna you wanna know why I don't buy games for the playstation 1 anymore? because they don't make games for the playstation 1 anymore! look im all for immersion and whatnot, but when someone argues one game is better than the other because it looks prettier, they're not gamers
Your Favorite Gamer it's actually paradoxical in a sense, his opinion is fact because he's saying it and it's true when it only applies to him (in this case)
DarkCloud4561 why cant you have good gameplay and great graphics? its not an either or situation. most games on consoles are on pc as well. it has arguably better gameplay since the graphics are better. plus the games are cheaper so thats always nice
If the developers were just honest with us and said that they're trying to give us 1080p at 60fps, but could only give us 900p at 30fps, we'd accept that because we would at least know they're trying their hardest. Because when they give excuses like 30fps is better because its more cinematic, we know they're lying. If the Wii U, the least powerful of the 8th generation consoles can do 1080p at 60fps and look like a PS4 game, and is the hardest to develop for, you know somethings wrong when other devs are making excuses for not doing a games a 900p at 30 fps
lol ofcourse they are not trying their hardest. Microsoft and Sony has made these consoles and with profit in mind ONLY. Why put shit in that's more expensive than the absolute minimum improvements from the previous conosole gen (ps3 and xbox360) ? When you can just upgrade the Tech SLIGHTY and still convince retards that it's a huge improvement. Console players are sheep, and sheep gives Money, with no questions, directly to Microsoft and Sony. And that makes Microsoft and sony happy because they only care about the Money. Now its really fucking sad that game devs allow themselves to be bought and pushed around by Sony, Microsoft and EA, because the Game devs do have the passion to make the games much more good looking but they are told to sit the fuck down on that shit and they better fucking please their Money hoarding overlords. Tl;DR rich dickhead overlords of the gaming industry / Tech industry have been pushing around the game developers of the World and also the more progressive Tech developers since atleast 2006. It's alot about Money - aka capatalism in action.
It's funny. We get 'gamers' saying graphics don't matter. Then, we get anal elitists who care about nothing BUT graphics. How hard is it to understand? Of course graphics matter - but they aren't the be-all and end-all of a videogame. To me, there is way too much of an obsession over arbitrary numbers lately. RAM, resolution, frames per second... I can't remember a time when the gaming industry (developers and fans alike) has been so fixated on specs. What ever happened to good old aesthetic appeal? About enjoying a game's visuals simply because they looked good? Look at the Wii U. Games like Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2, Smash Bros and Xenoblade Chronicles X look amazing - not because of the Wii U's relatively weak hardware, but rather in SPITE of it. Not only do they look great technically - but their art styles show what a console with a mere 2 gig of RAM can really do under the right programmers. Though I do see the irony of Smash Bros being 1080p and 60 fps... If you're so repulsed by a game that's anything less than resolution perfection... Well, I think you need to find a different hobby.
then you lived after 1996 since the old days were nothing BUT the graphics when advertising new systems. The point is when a NEW system comes out you expect greater graphics its been like that since the odyssey.
***** No I lived before1996 and yes you are right you have a valid point.And yes when a new system comes out we do expect improved graphics and good games.
Yeah you are also correct almost if not all new systems that came out since the 360 we had 1 title at least that showed what the systems could do and offered new gameplay...edit i'll expand on this and say even the Wii showed off its capability's at launch, i feel like Nintendo failed on this front with the Wii U
"To me, there is way too much of an obsession over arbitrary numbers lately" fps in video games matters (in my opinion - greatly with exceptions of course like strategies etc,) graphics/aesthetics depends on the game you play of course you dont need high-end graphics for every game to look cool but with games like witcher 3 the amazing graphics which Ive seen is definitely appreciated. Ofcourse story and gameplay are the most important for me. BUT there always well be "anal elitists who care about nothing BUT graphics." even though thats not really true, because you cant really talk about game which isnt out yet except the graphics/fps and min requirements (like AC:Unity on PC ... just ridiculous) and some of the game features they show.
Why should I choose a PC over a console? PCs are awesome gaming and work for many reasons, including but not limited to: Console-equivalent PC hardware is cheaper, as are the games.[1] [2] Works with any TV or monitor (even multiple of each) Works with any controller Free online services (Steam, Galaxy, Desura, Mumble, etc) Bigger and better online services, for FREE Localized multiplayer, up to 16 players in some games Using a modern GPU yields 60+ frames per second during gameplay. Consoles can barely handle 30. Usable for work, education, as well as entertainment Faster than a PS4 or XBox One, even for $400 Cheaper games (Steam, GOG, Humble Bundle) Better-rated games (by MetaScore) Free game modifications and enhancements More games, much larger library More exclusive games Healthy independent developer scene Lots of free games Free abandonware titles Can emulate many console games using freely available emulators Increasingly cheaper hardware for the price as new GPUs are released Big Picture mode for couch gaming Easier to repair and highly modular Backward and forward hardware compatibility of ~2 years No punishments for repairing Can be upgraded if desired Easier to upgrade Better price-performance than consoles Higher framerates (smoother) Higher resolution (native to your display, amazingly sharp). Consoles struggle, even at 700-900p! Higher graphical details (lighting, textures, foliage, particles, shading, weather) You're probably going to own some sort of PC anyways, why not pay a bit more on top to make it a gaming machine? That alone makes it cheaper than a console. The Personal Computer is an ever-evolving platform. It grows in power, capability, and value every single year. It's also free of the control of any single entity, which are why many of these advantages now exist. Rather than being regulated by a single company, control and improvement influence over the PC belongs to everyone equally. Even you, the consumers, have the full freedom to create or sell software and hardware for it. It's being constantly improved by competing companies and individuals all over the hardware spectrum, and all of them are trying to offer you (and game developers) the best experience possible. You'll just have to read on to learn everything in full detail!
I couldn't care less whether you play games on a computer or console. What annoys me is these self righteous PC gamers who bombard every damn video with the same song and dance, all the "master race" bullshit. They are like video game Nazis...
Ugh, misunderstand us correctly ... the gameplay is obviously the most important, but when the game runs so poorly that it feels choppy and the actual speed at which the game is displayed hinders your ability to play the game well, it becomes an issue.
Wizard of Ass Spoiled = being used to supperior stuff? That's like saying that colours don't matter, and that black and white movies are fine, people are just spoiled.
Viktor Andersen That's a fine point but people are feeling entitled to the superior stuff is the issue. Since we have superior shit, then WE SHOULD ALWAYS have superior shit. When you can't and when you can't have the superior shit, people complain instead of looking at what it is they have. Mentioned that companies want to keep with 30 FPS for cinematic effect but since the 60 FPS is available, people want that. It's such an arbitrary problem. It doesn't matter ultimately, we've had 30 FPS for a while and now people are going "wait, there's 60 FPS now? Let's use that." People act like the quality of the look of the game is more important than the actual fun factor of the game itself which is downright retardery in my opinion.
Wizard of Ass I see your points, but the fact is that, 60 fps isn't something new. I have played with 60fps+ for the last 10 years of my life, so why the hell is this even a problem today? I play with 45-200 fps on all of my games (on PC of course), so that 60 fps is still a problem is quite weird. If I play with 30 fps for more than half an hour, I get a bit dizzy, but that's probably because I get dizzy very easily more than anything.
I want the devs to do that too, just admit that the new consoles aren't powerful enough to run 60 and render at 1080p with the kind of graphics they want.
they can easily i can run (i have a pc that is slightly better than ps4) most games on high 1080p and get 55 fps so console should be able 2 get 60 because the games are being made for it
flupelish yeah, problem is you can change graphical fidelity for higher framerate, but game publishers are putting that standard backwards and sacrificing framerate for graphics, setting 30 fps as the standard.
ceim vazquez ya and thats a really stupid move because to make a good game you need good gameplay and graphics but they are capped by framerate. you are only as good as your weakest link
flupelish Excatly, problem is, if the game doesn't look as good or close to the previews and all the E3 demos you might not get as many preorders, since you know, all those scripted scenes and youtube videos are already running at 30 fps they can't really sell the framerate.
IT"S SIMPLE. If graphics, resolution and frame rate are really that important to you, then just get a PC. Leave us console gamers peacefully. We're content with what we have at the price we paid for. If your argument is that consoles are holding back the game's potential on the PC, just know this, money dictates. If you want games to be more optimized for PC, then multiplatform games must start making more money from you PC gamers.
True shit. You need to upgrade your PC from time to time and that costs more money. Just buy a $400 console and you're set for years, pop in a CD and play the game. No hassle.
You can't really be that ignorant. The hardware on the new gen consoles are more than capable of 1080p games @ 60fps. They have less software clutter to get clearer access to the graphics component, which powers the games. That said, it was a 7 yr span that the PC industry had to mature and make 1080p @ 60+ fps normal and then leave it behind. Those past bits are what powers the new gen consoles. Therefore , console gamers should be able to get 1080p @ 60fps easily. If money talks, and people continue to buy consoles and not complain about not getting what they fully paid for, the next generation will have same specs, higher price, and nothing will advance. Not saying it will happen because PC hardware will continue to advance and so will consoles, just using that logic you put forth.
Suleman Saleem Exactly. I love gaming, and I'll keep on loving it if I do not have to spend a lot of money on a system. Just one newly released game per month, and another on sale or second hand, pop in the discs and I'm sorted for the month. And more importantly, I'll continue loving gaming if I do not have to spend a lot of time trying to figure out why the gaming is not working, if my PC needs upgrading or if the game needs a patch. I can't deal with that shit. Life is too short.
300k20 Yes,the consoles are capable of running games at 1080p and 60fps, but then it will have to sacrifice other aspects of the game, like AI's among other things and the graphics themselves. All I'm saying is go spend your money on PCs, and leave consoles be.
Pardon? If you ask me, I don’t think Graphics matter. I’ve played games with such high quality graphics and high FPS, but the gameplay is terrible. I mean, this is just my opinion of course.
***** Something tells me that what FFXFANATIC said went directly over your head. FFX was referring to the fact that graphics are part of the gameplay, not that gameplay doesn't matter.
***** Not entirely true. Skryim is pure rubbish, yet people mod the graphics to use it as a screenshot generator/waifu creator. Crysis was bland as can be, yet people used it as a benchmark for years.
***** Did you.... not watch the video? It clearly explains how, in a shooter, graphics and frames are a distinct part of the gameplay. I'm going to dismiss you now as either a troll, or completely ignorant. Either way, goodbye forever.
God for the first time ever I saw you as an actor and it was amazing to watch you build the character. You could say that's because you're so good at the Francis character that you'd never know who was really underneath that but still, well done on creating such an amazing character XD
Graphics sometimes have to be sacrificed for other parts of the game. For instance, a processing heavy game like Kerbal Space Program, with it's many customization and lots of calculations happening, will run at a slower and slower frame rate as things get bigger and more complex. To make all games run at 1080p and 60fps would mean they would have to sacrifice game features, which can be worse. As long as the quality of the artistry in the graphics is good, I'm usually happy with the graphics, like with Nintendo games.
Forlorn79 ksp runs over 100 fps with everything turned up for me. It's actually one of the best optimized newer games. But it's really not all that demanding at all if you think about it. Theres not a whole lot going on in the game as there is in a game like borderlands or crysis
KSP would have no problem running higher graphics, they're not tied to the physics processing. In fact, what do you know, there's graphics mods for KSP.
PC gaming master race loves and embraces you francis, you don't need those dirty consoles! we are the light, the way. Only through us can you achieve High fps and rez.
WHY IS THERE NO NINTENDO MASTER RACE!? DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER WHO SAVED US FROM THE GAMING CRASH!? Talk about ungrateful.... In all seriousness, you can't compare a PC to a Console. There's too many differences. It mostly depends on yo WALLET. If you want a cheap plug and play experience, then you go with consoles. If you are willing to go through the hard work of creating a good Gaming PC then you do it.
Mohammad Ataya that's why masterrace likes nintendo in fact a good portion of them own nintendo consoles they like nintendo because they don't try to be poor imitations of pcs they respect nintendo you'll see them all over the subreddit just saying generally masterrace like nintendo xbox and playstation not so much.
Lmao this is the first Francis video I've found to be hilarious since what he's saying is absolutely true. I'm sure Boogie deep down actually feels this way, and doing this character is the only way to "appropriately" convey what he actually thinks to everyone.
the face you make in the beginning, i almost fell out of my chair laughing. You always put a smile on my face man. Thank you for giving me something to look forward to.
Honestly... I wish they would stop developing for xbox 360 and ps3. I get ps4 and xbone are holding pcs back too, but the 360 and ps3 are doing the majority of the damage, and games would look way better everywhere if they weren't being developed for.
That's quite an elitist attitude you've got there. Why should those who can not afford new consoles be stuck with older games? It isn't the consoles' fault that graphics are being held back, it's the developers who aren't willing to pay to develop games for different systems. If the company cannot afford to create separate games for each item, develop for the latest. If the company is going to support older systems, release the game that is optimised for that hardware; don't drag down the potential of the new systems. It's completely the developers fault, my friend.
***** I understand the points you make in your comment, but none of them are quite correct. First of all, if you can't afford a five hundred dollar PS4 or XBOX one, you probably have no business making that purchase in the first place. If you have trouble affording a console, you should be focusing on paying the bills and putting food on the plate, not playing games. Second of all, it is the consoles' faults that the graphics are being held back. In fact, it's entirely the consoles' faults. Relative to the technology we have today, 500 dollars worth of tech isn't as much of a step up as it was, and games have trouble running in 1080p and 60fps because the consoles just aren't powerful enough, not because the developers are unwilling to optimize the games for the consoles. The developers are at fault for lying to us about why games run at 30fps, but trust me, they are trying their best to optimize games for the new consoles. Did you know, it took Ubisoft months to get AC Unity to run at 900p 30fps? If, it took months of hard work and optimizing just for 900p, imagine how poorly the game would have run if they had put no effort into optimizing. They tried their best, but ultimately it was the hardware which held them back.
I like how you pretend like PC is the same company as consoles so they don't want one selling more than another. You're making PC players look dumb. Oh wait they are.
Graphics matter. But if I have to choose between a game that looks beautiful but is boring and plays like crap and a game that looks horrible but is fun to play, I'll choose the horrible but fun to play. I can't care how good a game looks if I can't play it.
***** Of course not. The entire argument is one of two extremes. But there's a spectrum of games with good or bad graphics and good or bad gameplay. The two aren't mutually exclusive. That's what everyone forgets. They opt for graphics because they look nice but choose to stick with the same boring/not fleshed-out game play because the graphics of the not-fleshed-out game look nice.
And where is this compromise coming from? Why is this argument brought up, because this doesn't even have to do with the original problem. On PC we have 95%+of the games consoles have PLUS MORE, and they can all look wonderful while having awesome gameplay.
Shaquille Makowka Francis said "Graphics matter." People commented either "Graphics matter" or "Gameplay matters." I said "Graphics matter. But [...]" ...that's where it fits in with the original. Often times I rather play with a controller/control pad than with a keyboard and mouse. A lot of the games I play either don't exist on PC or don't have a controller scheme for setup.
I don't like COD either but how are you even able to compare the two? One is a retro platformer and the other a first person shooter. Got nothing in common.
I dissagree, graphics don't matter that much. You think I still play N64 games when I never grew up with them because they look good? Hell no! In fact, it's their "poor graphics" that give them their charm. You think I play indie games like Shovel Knight because of the graphics? Like hell I do, their graphics are considered outdated and that's part of their charm, plus they play better. Honestly, graphics mattering is subjective. Having 60 fps isn't always necessary, I can't imagine playing a JRPG like final fantasy with more than 30 fps. Yes, devs need to stop lying, but graphics mattering that much is bullshit in my opinion.
Exactly it's the gameplay and story that matters and not how realistic it is. My favorite game is Conkers bad fur day on the N64 it had comedy, a fantastic story, it got bit spooky at point. It basically had everything that a good game needs except for the graphics and you don't see me complaining.
Graphics do play a role in the immersion of a game though. That is not to say that graphics are the most important thing, because if the rest of the game sucks... it doesn't really matter. In certain games though, it plays little to no importance. Like in ARPGs for instance, I still play Diablo 2 to this day.
An old game or a retro styled game obviously has that, but let's face it, graphics play a large part in the immersion of a modern video game. If the story and gameplay is terrible, graphics are a waste of time, but would you rather play a game with amazing gameplay and story at 900p or 1080p, 30fps or 60fps, better textures or terrible textures? It's still important.
I think graphics matter but just hear me out. I dont care how realistic a game looks as long as i can play 20 years from now and still say it looks good. A game can have 8-bit graphics and still looks good as long as it goes with the atmosphere. At least thats what i think. Let me know if you agree or disagree. I would like to hear your opnions.
Console gamers that say gameplay matters first and graphics dont...Then WHY DID YOU UPGRADE TO THE XBONE OR PS4!? If graphics or framerate was not important you would of kept your PS3, because atm most if not all games are coming out for last gen, next gen, and pc.
I like the PS4 better than the PS3 overall. Some of the newer games I like to play aren't on ps3. I just wish there were more games on it so I play both
The only game I can accept the 30fps argument for is LA Noir. Because it actually has a black and white film noir mode and the mocap was recorded at 30fps.
I usually skip your Francis videos because I generally don't find them entertaining. This however is the realest video I have ever seen on your channel. I don't think Sony or Microsoft planned for this kind of outburst from the internet about the consoles. Its totally justified though. Once you go 60 FPS its near impossible to go back to 30.
It depends, less than 60 on shooters it's unacceptable, but 30 fps in other type of games is ok. And I can tell you this, we buy the new gen games just because they stop developing for the last gen. If NES games were produced these days, I bet you a nut most of us, who started gaming with the NES, would be buying those games.
UselessInnovations I've been gaming since the NES. I disagree with that. I buy next gen consoles for progression. I buy them because I want better games, better textures, better resolutions and better frame rates. Otherwise we just get the same thing across multiple platforms. Example Destiny is almost identical on the Xbox One and Xbox 360. The only differences are resolution and the use of anti aliasing. I will game on just about anything but as time progresses I still expect more from these games. I have since bought a PC and an Xbox One. I only play games on the Xbox that I generally play with friends, exclusives or multiplayer games that simply aren't very popular on PC like COD for example. Everything else I basically buy on PC because I want those extras especially the frame rate. Give us games in 720p if you have to but do not sacrifice the frame rate.
Please a nes, I been gaming with a brick before a system came out. The funniest game was a brick through a glass house so much fun.... But felt bad for that dog that got hit by the brick..... :(
no i can handle much more millitary studys show that an average human can detect up to a 1000 fps.They tested this by flashing a image with in a thousanth of a second to test soldiers reaction time to threats,
I have a 120hz monitor that can display 120fps, having used this for several years now I can easily tell the difference between 50-60 , 61-80 , 81-100, 101-120 fps
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PC master race has had 4K 60FPS for 2 years now at least. Get on our level. PC Master race level.
Does anyone here intentionally have an old CRT Television instead of a high def (now standard) 1080P minimum LCD/LED whatever? Something with like 480 resolution? Don't be a liar and say graphics don't matter... They may not be the top of your list of features, but they DO matter. IF not, like Francis said, go play your Atari and abandon your modern gaming. Hell, go live with the Amish. I'm not a Graphics Snob, a Game doesn't have to be the most graphically advanced, so long as the graphics are well designed from an artistic perspective. To me a game needs both good graphics and gameplay and great sound. You need this holy trinity of gaming to be in a good balance and be pleasing overall. That's not to say I've never played a game where the game play was more important. But to have my default position be - graphics don't matter. Is just as silly as saying Gameplay doesn't matter. Very few things in life are so cut and dry... The best metals are Alloys, he best music combines multiple instruments, the best foods combine multiple seasonings and ingredients, the best games combine good graphics, sound and gameplay. My problem is, so far this "Next Gen." is absolutely FAILING to deliver the promised games we all bought our consoles for. I was absolutely hooked on the advertizing for Watchdogs, destiny, and a few others... So far, the best games of the next gen that I have played on my PS4, is a PS3 remastered (Last of us) and Infamous Second Son, which I probably only liked because I never played the others in the series which critics said were basically the same... This is sad... This is very sad... I think one big part of the problem is, the next gen Consoles were not really ready, I Think the developers were not really planning on making games for next gen yet, and most of the games we see for next gen are actually last gen games with the Remastered graphics already put into them. Take Watchdogs... There is absolutely NO next gen quality to that game, the graphics are marginally better on next gen, the game play is the same stale crap, it's just not up to snuff. Next month when GTA 5 comes out again for Next gen, It will probably be the next Best Game on Next gen, and it's a last gen game with boosted graphics... How pathetic... Next gen is a serious disappointment... But to learn that Xbone can barely even reach 1080p at any refresh rate... that is just a kick in the balls... IMHO Xbone is a lost cause... Micro$oft is in a position where a reboot might be needed to stay competitive... Will we see an Xbone 2 in 2016 or something? I wonder... But before you call me a PS4 fanboy... As much better as it is over the Xbone, it's still sub par... This year I am planning on rejoining the PC MAster Race with a self built PC that will blow the doors off either of these two consoles, and play the great host of games coming in the near future for the PC. Maybe I'll come back when the consoles get their shit together, and stop porting old console titles to next gen. But before they do that, they need to retire the old gen... Part of the problem is, they seem to want to make every new game come out on all 4 consoles right now... Talk about holding back progress... That guarantees that the Next Gen versions will not be up to the potential of the next gen consoles.
Francis pretty much nailed it. People who say retarded things like "graphics don't matter" are probably A: Ignorant hipsters, and B: Don't know anything about gaming. Framerate and resolution aren't simply eye candy...they are part of the basic mechanics of how a game is played. They determine how fluid, how responsive, and how PLAYABLE a game is. Framerate and resolution ARE gameplay, as well as being part of the graphics equation. The developers have some weak assed console hardware this generation and they're making excuses, and trying to drag PC gaming down to the same level. Gaming is going to shit, frankly.
World of Warcraft is the biggest example that graphics DONT matter. If you're not a spoiled little brat and all you ever had was PlayStation 1, and you still manage to pick up a new game for it every once and awhile and you somehow have no idea that better consoles exist then you're probably going to be just as immersed as someone playing last of us remastered or some other amazing looking game. And besides 1080p is resolution, 60 fps is framerate, neither have to do with the graphics engine, look at the vanishing of Ethan carter you can run it at 720p and it still looks absolutely stunning because they used photogrammetry and took their time with building the game, the real problem isn't the hardware, its consumers. Developers know they can take their same old engine, tune it a bit and a new story and some characters and it will sell like gold, if people stop buying lame triple a's, the developers will start to care more.
it all depends on the TYPE of game your playing, for first person shooters and games that try to emulate REAL LIFE graphics are important for immersion, sorry but your comment is shallow.
Ross Pie Don't know how old you are, but do you remember when call of duty 1 came out, you put it in your console and you were probably amazed, you literally felt like you were in ww2 and maybe you even replayed the campaign 6 times like I did, games are supposed to made for fun, simulators are made to simulate, and honestly considering how much violence is in video games, the day games cross the line between games and simulators I don't think I'll play anymore.
TheGamefreak8 I don't want a shitty game with hyper realistic graphics, I also don't want a ground breaking game story but 8-bit. I want a great game with okay graphics. Guess I'm playing more Fallout and Skyrim!
I care about the graphics but these PC players get kind of annoying when they come to a lot of videos and be like "oh PC is the best, consoles suck pc master race" I wouldn't go to PC because I like consoles better and they're simpler.
Think about this. For the price of your console you can build a decent computer. Over time this decent computer you have, gets upgraded and upgraded. Before you know it, you're running any game on ultra settings and don't have to worry about your fps dropping below 60. Plus Steam sales GGWP
I subscribe to a lot of people, and watch a lot of videos, but the video that I'm guaranteed to ALWAYS look for when I sign in is yours Boogie, rock on man, always putting out good content and good messages.
If you want 1080p 60fps play on pc If you want a good experience get a console I would take hundreds of things on the screen at once with 900 p and 30 fps any day of the week.
I can't play anything less than 200fps, 60fps gives me a headache #2slow4me
You must have a 140 odd hurts monitor at least :O
pinkie fluffybutt "hurts" ....
What games are you running at 200fps, whats your monitors refresh rate? Are you aware that if your running frames faster than your monitor can refresh your basically just burning out your GPU for no reason? I.e. If you run 200fps and your screen only refreshes the image in 1/60th of a second you'll have 200/60=3.3 frames calculated and only 1 of those frames will be refreshed to the monitor i.e. your rig is 66% inefficient and you'll have to replace your GPU 3 times more often than anyone else. Derp
This is the first Francis video I watched. I was entertained!
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Francis and Angry Joe - true voices of all players :D
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nope. I like angry joe but I have to doubt his integrity sometimes when it seems like hes shitting on a game becuase thats what people wanted to hear.
Jake R. yeah thats bullshit. people love hearing games being ripped apart by reviews.
cameron ImNotGivingMyLastNameToYou When they deserve it of course
Maakkkssss not even. xbox fanboys love to hear critcism of last of us. ps fanboys enjoy criticism of halo.
Graphics is part of the gameplay. Finally someone said it, thanks Francis.
This aged really well
now they overdue graphics and the cartoony games are better
@@fercoshowI'm tired of cartoony games if I wanted to watch cartoons I'd watch nickelodeon
I dont mind AAA games trying to be cinematic. BUT FUCKING SELL THEM AT $10 JUST LIKE MOVIE TICKETS SO U GOT THAT CINEMATIC EXPERIENCE TO THE FULLEST
The best comment ever
I fucking love you.
If they do (witch would be cool!) developers wouldn't work as hard on games :'(
+Wubby Dubby They don't work on PC games, they spend all their time on consoles, 20 minutes porting to a PC, game done.
Francis finally ascended to the hightest level of rage when his voice cracked X3.
Francis, you're going to have a heart attack one of these days making these rage videos.
"If graphics didn't matter I wouldn't keep upgrading, I'd stay with the Atari." This is the point I try and get across all the time, sure a good story line, character development etc. are important, but I want my games to look good too dammit.
Solution: Get a Gaming PC. Its way more powerful than consoles. If you already knew that.
***** Thats their problem
***** Consoles are mini computers. Your contradicting what your saying in a sense. I'm really happy I got into PC Gaming, it's fun, cheap, and I mean things take a bit getting used to but it's so worth it. Consoles are closed off, don't expect mods or every crazy awesome indie, or if a game is pushing PC hardware with huge player counts, don't expect any of that on console. Graphics is a huge thing about PC however it has WAY more pros then just that.
***** But how do you play on that dam keyboard and mouse!
Graphics are important, but they're only a footnote. Half of the games I've played this year have either been from the previous generation, or from the NES/SNES/GBA era. Metroid Fusion, the original Legend of Zelda, Super Mario World, Thief: The Dark Project and System Shock 2, Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights. Great gameplay stands on its own, but graphics do not.
"Make it black and white with cigarette burns in the corner"
That prompted and audible laugh from me.
4 year later, that joke aged like fine wine
Pure cinema.
Francis, you may have Lost 10 pounds with this Rage!! LoL
"Hit me in the head with a brick!" LOL
Someone get me a glass of water, I'm dying of
Dehydration
what? hows that even a joke...
ionic0 That's the point?
Victor Montero
point? more like
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point-less. Now thats how you do a joke.
Francis is right! and the cinematic thing, my friend told me that Dickrosoft payed Ubisoft to lock AC: Unity with 30 FPS to make it look cinematic... if somone wants to lock the damn FPS he can do it by himself in game options of softwares! why do i need to play 30 FPS with a great PC if i don't want to see a fucking movie?! it is a video game, not a movie!
There`s a reson why some games should be fps locked on consoles, simply put...if you don`t lock a game that you know will drain all the processing power of a multimedia console its not going to lag or nothing but the moment you go to home or change do a secondary app the console gets slow and sluggish, and this goes for both ps4 and xbox one, ps4 processing power it`s only 10fps faster on average than xbox one, so you can`t lock one console on 30fps and go with the assumption the other console could ever in a million years double that fps...you can lock at 30, or at 60...there`s no middle ground.
***** and as Francis stated, should we just lay back and let them fuck us in the ass? They need to be pushing their own limits, and if they can't, they need to be honest with us about it.
Well, even at 60 fps Assassin's Creed is arguably a movie where you press the same counter-attack button the whole time.
That's the thing Corey Hill, they don't NEED to do shit if will cost microsoft and playstation money, they launched new consoles with shit graphic cards so they can launch new consoles sooner...afterall almost all of the profits they gain are the sales of the consoles...its like iphone updating the hardware every year and everyone spending an absurd amount of money to keep up with the hardware...i just hope we as gamers are smarter than falling for this when the new gen comes (and trust me, i give it 3 years max for new consoles)
the moment i saw the hardware from the new gen last year i thought "this graphic cards? with PC architecture? We're fucked" Sadly i was right
Graphics don't make a Game but a Game with Great Graphics and Great Gameplay always gonna be Better.
Amen.
***** He was talking about gameplay, not graphics. The top comment was saying bad graphics doesn't mean the whole game is bad and saijandonut03's example was saying that GTA SA is a game with bad graphics but great gameplay. Also you can't blame Rockstar, the game was released in 2004. As for you saying the gameplay is bad, I guess everyone has their own opinion.
***** Like he said, everyone has their own opinions and I'm not going to get mad at you just because our opinions are different. I agree that it has bad graphics(at least for today's standards), but I love the gameplay, and really just the game as a whole is really great. I think it is the best in the series, and the ones that came after it don't even compare to it. This is just my opinion though.
***** I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, then.
San Andreas had great graphics for its Generation.
Resident Evil 4 Too.
The evil within was exactly like this, it looks like 720p because the black bars and its 30fps, I even played red dead redemption after evil within that I have on PS4 and RDR looked IDENTICALLY good !
Yea. This made me realize that graphics are a huge part of gameplay, but people with consoles have tried to separate the two to have the excuse of graphics not mattering, Since their potato consoles could never reach that point like PC's do.
consoles cost a fraction of what a good PC cost, and i dont want to hear about your $500 pc build that can run 4k, thats BS, PC gaming is not practical, if it was nobody would own consoles.
WARVANE My GTX 570, which came out in 2010, is still better than your PS4 or Xbox One.
+x420xBlazex You said it better than I did lol.
Jorge Carmona Call me when you can play God of War
Thomas Schaiterer Its called an emulator.
I just get sick of people saying "60 fps doesn't matter" if you can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps, the TV or monitor you are using is shit.
It definitely matters when playing a shooter like BF4, for example. It's simply more fluid. And improves the overall experience.
Gabe Freiman But there is no way that 30fps makes anything different, it's not preferences, it's the human eye and the human brain. 60fps means less input lag, meaning more responsiveness, meaning more immersion. 30fps means more input lag and jerky visuals, making for far less immersion.
Gabe Freiman It's a straight upgrade. If someone thinks 30fps is better then they have an awful monitor or are in some kind of denial.
Gabe Freiman A control scheme is entirely different to a game that responds faster and looks smoother.
Most people that like 30fps either don't know 60fps even exists, haven't used it, or are simply stupid enough to be tricked by idiotic console players saying that "the human eye can't see over 30fps".
Graphics don't matter in the sense that a certain resolution or fps shouldn't be needed in order to enjoy certain games.
For example, fanboys these days are making it sound like if x game is at x resolution or fps, then it isn't worth the money or is impossible to play.
Graphics should enhance the overall feel of a game, shouldn't be the main selling point or what gets talked about the most.
I like when Francis starts breathing heavy and we hear a little bit of that deep boogie voice/accent on the breathing. I always thought Francis would be a little wheezy and nasally when he breaths heavy.
Fact: Graphics don't matter to me.
Fact: Not everyone shares the same opinions as me and i accept that.
Debate over, move along.
if u dont like better gfx..then why buy the 'next-gen' consoles at all?
Iain Mckenna you wanna know why I don't buy games for the playstation 1 anymore? because they don't make games for the playstation 1 anymore! look im all for immersion and whatnot, but when someone argues one game is better than the other because it looks prettier, they're not gamers
The first "fact" is an opinion not a fact!
Your Favorite Gamer it's actually paradoxical in a sense, his opinion is fact because he's saying it and it's true when it only applies to him (in this case)
DarkCloud4561 why cant you have good gameplay and great graphics? its not an either or situation. most games on consoles are on pc as well. it has arguably better gameplay since the graphics are better. plus the games are cheaper so thats always nice
100% agreed.
That last rage rant with the 3-D glasses and the brick had me cracking up hahahah. I watched this video twice
If the developers were just honest with us and said that they're trying to give us 1080p at 60fps, but could only give us 900p at 30fps, we'd accept that because we would at least know they're trying their hardest. Because when they give excuses like 30fps is better because its more cinematic, we know they're lying. If the Wii U, the least powerful of the 8th generation consoles can do 1080p at 60fps and look like a PS4 game, and is the hardest to develop for, you know somethings wrong when other devs are making excuses for not doing a games a 900p at 30 fps
lol ofcourse they are not trying their hardest. Microsoft and Sony has made these consoles and with profit in mind ONLY.
Why put shit in that's more expensive than the absolute minimum improvements from the previous conosole gen (ps3 and xbox360) ? When you can just upgrade the Tech SLIGHTY and still convince retards that it's a huge improvement.
Console players are sheep, and sheep gives Money, with no questions, directly to Microsoft and Sony. And that makes Microsoft and sony happy because they only care about the Money.
Now its really fucking sad that game devs allow themselves to be bought and pushed around by Sony, Microsoft and EA, because the Game devs do have the passion to make the games much more good looking but they are told to sit the fuck down on that shit and they better fucking please their Money hoarding overlords.
Tl;DR rich dickhead overlords of the gaming industry / Tech industry have been pushing around the game developers of the World and also the more progressive Tech developers since atleast 2006. It's alot about Money - aka capatalism in action.
It's funny. We get 'gamers' saying graphics don't matter. Then, we get anal elitists who care about nothing BUT graphics.
How hard is it to understand? Of course graphics matter - but they aren't the be-all and end-all of a videogame.
To me, there is way too much of an obsession over arbitrary numbers lately. RAM, resolution, frames per second... I can't remember a time when the gaming industry (developers and fans alike) has been so fixated on specs.
What ever happened to good old aesthetic appeal? About enjoying a game's visuals simply because they looked good?
Look at the Wii U. Games like Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2, Smash Bros and Xenoblade Chronicles X look amazing - not because of the Wii U's relatively weak hardware, but rather in SPITE of it. Not only do they look great technically - but their art styles show what a console with a mere 2 gig of RAM can really do under the right programmers. Though I do see the irony of Smash Bros being 1080p and 60 fps...
If you're so repulsed by a game that's anything less than resolution perfection... Well, I think you need to find a different hobby.
Well said.
then you lived after 1996 since the old days were nothing BUT the graphics when advertising new systems. The point is when a NEW system comes out you expect greater graphics its been like that since the odyssey.
***** No I lived before1996 and yes you are right you have a valid point.And yes when a new system comes out we do expect improved graphics and good games.
Yeah you are also correct almost if not all new systems that came out since the 360 we had 1 title at least that showed what the systems could do and offered new gameplay...edit i'll expand on this and say even the Wii showed off its capability's at launch, i feel like Nintendo failed on this front with the Wii U
"To me, there is way too much of an obsession over arbitrary numbers lately"
fps in video games matters (in my opinion - greatly with exceptions of course like strategies etc,) graphics/aesthetics depends on the game you play of course you dont need high-end graphics for every game to look cool but with games like witcher 3 the amazing graphics which Ive seen is definitely appreciated. Ofcourse story and gameplay are the most important for me. BUT there always well be "anal elitists who care about nothing BUT graphics." even though thats not really true, because you cant really talk about game which isnt out yet except the graphics/fps and min requirements (like AC:Unity on PC ... just ridiculous) and some of the game features they show.
Remember when people first made drama about Graphics? It was before the Atari Jaguar came out and showed us how Meaningless the Argument was.
I always know to turn my volume down before I watch a Francis video lol
Lmao! Same here!
And here we are, watching this video with 720p or lower.
enjoy, My internet laggs already on 420p
YT "720p" is more like 360p :/
some peoples connections cant handle 720p or higher... so he renders it connection friendly.
Why should I choose a PC over a console?
PCs are awesome gaming and work for many reasons, including but not limited to:
Console-equivalent PC hardware is cheaper, as are the games.[1] [2]
Works with any TV or monitor (even multiple of each)
Works with any controller
Free online services (Steam, Galaxy, Desura, Mumble, etc)
Bigger and better online services, for FREE
Localized multiplayer, up to 16 players in some games
Using a modern GPU yields 60+ frames per second during gameplay. Consoles can barely handle 30.
Usable for work, education, as well as entertainment
Faster than a PS4 or XBox One, even for $400
Cheaper games (Steam, GOG, Humble Bundle)
Better-rated games (by MetaScore)
Free game modifications and enhancements
More games, much larger library
More exclusive games
Healthy independent developer scene
Lots of free games
Free abandonware titles
Can emulate many console games using freely available emulators
Increasingly cheaper hardware for the price as new GPUs are released
Big Picture mode for couch gaming
Easier to repair and highly modular
Backward and forward hardware compatibility of ~2 years
No punishments for repairing
Can be upgraded if desired
Easier to upgrade
Better price-performance than consoles
Higher framerates (smoother)
Higher resolution (native to your display, amazingly sharp). Consoles struggle, even at 700-900p!
Higher graphical details (lighting, textures, foliage, particles, shading, weather)
You're probably going to own some sort of PC anyways, why not pay a bit more on top to make it a gaming machine? That alone makes it cheaper than a console.
The Personal Computer is an ever-evolving platform. It grows in power, capability, and value every single year. It's also free of the control of any single entity, which are why many of these advantages now exist. Rather than being regulated by a single company, control and improvement influence over the PC belongs to everyone equally. Even you, the consumers, have the full freedom to create or sell software and hardware for it. It's being constantly improved by competing companies and individuals all over the hardware spectrum, and all of them are trying to offer you (and game developers) the best experience possible. You'll just have to read on to learn everything in full detail!
You mentioned mumble and desura do you play or?
TheFutherguide566 pr*?
"cough" Nintendo "cough" Nuff Said.
This. This is great. Logical reasons without PCMASTERRACE HURR DURR stuff. Thanks for the thought out comment.
I couldn't care less whether you play games on a computer or console. What annoys me is these self righteous PC gamers who bombard every damn video with the same song and dance, all the "master race" bullshit. They are like video game Nazis...
***** Using characteristically Nazi "master race" rhetoric is what makes one a Nazi.
It is anoying but it's not even a debate, PC is just better in every quantifyable way. Except maybe the controller, that's an opinion.
lol he's jelly cuz he's too stupid and poor to build a PC.
PC MASTER RACE
CreeperDefence But you can use a controller if you want. That's the point. We have the choice to use whatever we want.
I don't care how many times he says it, I will never get tired of "Hey guys, it's me, FRANSHISH!"
I remember back in my day it was about the games and not the graphics.
Ugh, misunderstand us correctly ... the gameplay is obviously the most important, but when the game runs so poorly that it feels choppy and the actual speed at which the game is displayed hinders your ability to play the game well, it becomes an issue.
People complain about choppiness and then I play the game and I see no issue.
People are just spoiled crybabies.
Wizard of Ass Spoiled = being used to supperior stuff? That's like saying that colours don't matter, and that black and white movies are fine, people are just spoiled.
Viktor Andersen That's a fine point but people are feeling entitled to the superior stuff is the issue. Since we have superior shit, then WE SHOULD ALWAYS have superior shit. When you can't and when you can't have the superior shit, people complain instead of looking at what it is they have.
Mentioned that companies want to keep with 30 FPS for cinematic effect but since the 60 FPS is available, people want that.
It's such an arbitrary problem. It doesn't matter ultimately, we've had 30 FPS for a while and now people are going "wait, there's 60 FPS now? Let's use that."
People act like the quality of the look of the game is more important than the actual fun factor of the game itself which is downright retardery in my opinion.
Wizard of Ass I see your points, but the fact is that, 60 fps isn't something new. I have played with 60fps+ for the last 10 years of my life, so why the hell is this even a problem today? I play with 45-200 fps on all of my games (on PC of course), so that 60 fps is still a problem is quite weird. If I play with 30 fps for more than half an hour, I get a bit dizzy, but that's probably because I get dizzy very easily more than anything.
I want the devs to do that too, just admit that the new consoles aren't powerful enough to run 60 and render at 1080p with the kind of graphics they want.
they can easily i can run (i have a pc that is slightly better than ps4) most games on high 1080p and get 55 fps so console should be able 2 get 60 because the games are being made for it
flupelish yeah, problem is you can change graphical fidelity for higher framerate, but game publishers are putting that standard backwards and sacrificing framerate for graphics, setting 30 fps as the standard.
ceim vazquez ya and thats a really stupid move because to make a good game you need good gameplay and graphics but they are capped by framerate. you are only as good as your weakest link
flupelish Excatly, problem is, if the game doesn't look as good or close to the previews and all the E3 demos you might not get as many preorders, since you know, all those scripted scenes and youtube videos are already running at 30 fps they can't really sell the framerate.
IT"S SIMPLE. If graphics, resolution and frame rate are really that important to you, then just get a PC. Leave us console gamers peacefully. We're content with what we have at the price we paid for. If your argument is that consoles are holding back the game's potential on the PC, just know this, money dictates. If you want games to be more optimized for PC, then multiplatform games must start making more money from you PC gamers.
True shit. You need to upgrade your PC from time to time and that costs more money. Just buy a $400 console and you're set for years, pop in a CD and play the game. No hassle.
Suleman Saleem It's still much more expensive an inconvenient to play games on a console rather than on a PC.
You can't really be that ignorant. The hardware on the new gen consoles are more than capable of 1080p games @ 60fps. They have less software clutter to get clearer access to the graphics component, which powers the games. That said, it was a 7 yr span that the PC industry had to mature and make 1080p @ 60+ fps normal and then leave it behind. Those past bits are what powers the new gen consoles. Therefore , console gamers should be able to get 1080p @ 60fps easily.
If money talks, and people continue to buy consoles and not complain about not getting what they fully paid for, the next generation will have same specs, higher price, and nothing will advance. Not saying it will happen because PC hardware will continue to advance and so will consoles, just using that logic you put forth.
Suleman Saleem Exactly. I love gaming, and I'll keep on loving it if I do not have to spend a lot of money on a system. Just one newly released game per month, and another on sale or second hand, pop in the discs and I'm sorted for the month. And more importantly, I'll continue loving gaming if I do not have to spend a lot of time trying to figure out why the gaming is not working, if my PC needs upgrading or if the game needs a patch. I can't deal with that shit. Life is too short.
300k20 Yes,the consoles are capable of running games at 1080p and 60fps, but then it will have to sacrifice other aspects of the game, like AI's among other things and the graphics themselves. All I'm saying is go spend your money on PCs, and leave consoles be.
He was screaming so loud I could feel his spit coming through the screen.....
"You can't make this generation of consoles do what you want them to do" - 100% true.
i loved this video as its so true and needs saying
Pardon? If you ask me, I don’t think Graphics matter. I’ve played games with such high quality graphics and high FPS, but the gameplay is terrible. I mean, this is just my opinion of course.
I'm sorry. We had to cut "Sons of bitches" down to "Son of bitch" so that the performance will be the same on all systems.
gr8 m8 i r8 8/69
Rico Garcia Wow. You're original.
Thank you, I try my best.
1:34
A good reply to the fools who say "graphics are insignificant, it's all about gameplay."
FFXFANATIC Graphics Mean Nothing if the game it self is Rubbish. So please
***** Something tells me that what FFXFANATIC said went directly over your head. FFX was referring to the fact that graphics are part of the gameplay, not that gameplay doesn't matter.
Video game gameplay is distinct from graphics
***** Not entirely true. Skryim is pure rubbish, yet people mod the graphics to use it as a screenshot generator/waifu creator. Crysis was bland as can be, yet people used it as a benchmark for years.
***** Did you.... not watch the video? It clearly explains how, in a shooter, graphics and frames are a distinct part of the gameplay. I'm going to dismiss you now as either a troll, or completely ignorant. Either way, goodbye forever.
PC: 60FPS, 1080p, anti- aliasing, and 8 core professors since 2010.....I thought that was the standard?
He said "sons of b!tches" LMAO
how is it 301 views if there are only 90 people on earth
Each person has 3.27 PC's in there household GG
My bad 3.34
My bad 3.34
because 75 people watched it 4 times and the extra view was from god
Jaden Smith
God for the first time ever I saw you as an actor and it was amazing to watch you build the character. You could say that's because you're so good at the Francis character that you'd never know who was really underneath that but still, well done on creating such an amazing character XD
Graphics sometimes have to be sacrificed for other parts of the game. For instance, a processing heavy game like Kerbal Space Program, with it's many customization and lots of calculations happening, will run at a slower and slower frame rate as things get bigger and more complex. To make all games run at 1080p and 60fps would mean they would have to sacrifice game features, which can be worse. As long as the quality of the artistry in the graphics is good, I'm usually happy with the graphics, like with Nintendo games.
KSP still runs at 60+fps at 1080p or more
KSP uses almost no graphics processing and looks epic, especially with mods. The only problem it has is a crappy physics engine slowing it down.
Forlorn79 ksp runs over 100 fps with everything turned up for me. It's actually one of the best optimized newer games. But it's really not all that demanding at all if you think about it. Theres not a whole lot going on in the game as there is in a game like borderlands or crysis
KSP would have no problem running higher graphics, they're not tied to the physics processing. In fact, what do you know, there's graphics mods for KSP.
The only difference being KSP is an indie game that doesn't have a multi million dollar budget...
Lol "put 3d glasses on and hit me in the head with a brick" that shit had me
Don’t tell him 5 years later we console players are still on 60fps
PC gaming master race loves and embraces you francis, you don't need those dirty consoles! we are the light, the way. Only through us can you achieve High fps and rez.
WHY IS THERE NO NINTENDO MASTER RACE!? DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER WHO SAVED US FROM THE GAMING CRASH!? Talk about ungrateful.... In all seriousness, you can't compare a PC to a Console. There's too many differences.
It mostly depends on yo WALLET. If you want a cheap plug and play experience, then you go with consoles. If you are willing to go through the hard work of creating a good Gaming PC then you do it.
Mohammad Ataya that's why masterrace likes nintendo in fact a good portion of them own nintendo consoles they like nintendo because they don't try to be poor imitations of pcs they respect nintendo you'll see them all over the subreddit just saying generally masterrace like nintendo xbox and playstation not so much.
kevr151 I'm 11.........
kevr151 Did you even read the rest of my comment? I was joking around. Whateva all is forgiven'
this argument is below the master race. The master race will now go back to playing alien isolation in beautiful 1080p. the master race has spoken.
LOL this is one of the best francis videos I've seen
One of the best of Francis right here!
This is now my favorite Francis rage video because I can relate to it so much.
This is by far the best Francis rant I've seen to date. Great job dude!
Why doesn’t boogie make these anymore?
He doesn’t sound the same anymore
Lmao this is the first Francis video I've found to be hilarious since what he's saying is absolutely true. I'm sure Boogie deep down actually feels this way, and doing this character is the only way to "appropriately" convey what he actually thinks to everyone.
I needed a good laugh today, thanks boogie, with you all the way.
I love how he makes these videos in one take.
the face you make in the beginning, i almost fell out of my chair laughing. You always put a smile on my face man. Thank you for giving me something to look forward to.
1:46 "YES!"
Me when someone asks who plays the song "Roundabout."
Honestly... I wish they would stop developing for xbox 360 and ps3. I get ps4 and xbone are holding pcs back too, but the 360 and ps3 are doing the majority of the damage, and games would look way better everywhere if they weren't being developed for.
That's quite an elitist attitude you've got there. Why should those who can not afford new consoles be stuck with older games? It isn't the consoles' fault that graphics are being held back, it's the developers who aren't willing to pay to develop games for different systems. If the company cannot afford to create separate games for each item, develop for the latest. If the company is going to support older systems, release the game that is optimised for that hardware; don't drag down the potential of the new systems. It's completely the developers fault, my friend.
***** I understand the points you make in your comment, but none of them are quite correct. First of all, if you can't afford a five hundred dollar PS4 or XBOX one, you probably have no business making that purchase in the first place. If you have trouble affording a console, you should be focusing on paying the bills and putting food on the plate, not playing games.
Second of all, it is the consoles' faults that the graphics are being held back. In fact, it's entirely the consoles' faults. Relative to the technology we have today, 500 dollars worth of tech isn't as much of a step up as it was, and games have trouble running in 1080p and 60fps because the consoles just aren't powerful enough, not because the developers are unwilling to optimize the games for the consoles.
The developers are at fault for lying to us about why games run at 30fps, but trust me, they are trying their best to optimize games for the new consoles. Did you know, it took Ubisoft months to get AC Unity to run at 900p 30fps? If, it took months of hard work and optimizing just for 900p, imagine how poorly the game would have run if they had put no effort into optimizing. They tried their best, but ultimately it was the hardware which held them back.
I like how you pretend like PC is the same company as consoles so they don't want one selling more than another. You're making PC players look dumb. Oh wait they are.
SeEpiN who are you even talking to? And what particular part of their text are you directing it at?
roonypa you. devs already half ass PC games for good reason and they make third parties for older systems so you don't make sense.
Graphics matter. But if I have to choose between a game that looks beautiful but is boring and plays like crap and a game that looks horrible but is fun to play, I'll choose the horrible but fun to play. I can't care how good a game looks if I can't play it.
Well I'm not going to play any 144p games even if it has great gameplay
***** Of course not. The entire argument is one of two extremes. But there's a spectrum of games with good or bad graphics and good or bad gameplay. The two aren't mutually exclusive. That's what everyone forgets. They opt for graphics because they look nice but choose to stick with the same boring/not fleshed-out game play because the graphics of the not-fleshed-out game look nice.
And where is this compromise coming from? Why is this argument brought up, because this doesn't even have to do with the original problem.
On PC we have 95%+of the games consoles have PLUS MORE, and they can all look wonderful while having awesome gameplay.
Shaquille Makowka Francis said "Graphics matter." People commented either "Graphics matter" or "Gameplay matters." I said "Graphics matter. But [...]"
...that's where it fits in with the original.
Often times I rather play with a controller/control pad than with a keyboard and mouse. A lot of the games I play either don't exist on PC or don't have a controller scheme for setup.
man i agree with you, the other thing that people don't know is how bad is screen tearing using garbage ass 30 fps
I love people that claim the human eye can't see beyond 24Hz. They're fucking hilarious.
I'd play the original Mario Bros. over COD any day of the week.
I don't like COD either but how are you even able to compare the two? One is a retro platformer and the other a first person shooter. Got nothing in common.
BlackTombz I think a better comparison is Doom And Cod
^one is easily more replayable than the other.
2:56 LOL
This would be a nice ringtone,lmfao.
I laughed so hard at "I want the whole cheesecake" damn I want some cheesecake now. thanks boogie! :(
Did you ever get your cheesecake?
"Would you want a slice of cake or a whole f*cking cake?"
A slice, cuz a whole cake can't be healthy for you.
I'm so glad you made Francis. One of the funniest characters on RUclips.
This video is gold. Usually I dislike your francis videos because the messages are always some hippie bullshit, but this video had me wheezing.
I dissagree, graphics don't matter that much. You think I still play N64 games when I never grew up with them because they look good? Hell no! In fact, it's their "poor graphics" that give them their charm. You think I play indie games like Shovel Knight because of the graphics? Like hell I do, their graphics are considered outdated and that's part of their charm, plus they play better. Honestly, graphics mattering is subjective. Having 60 fps isn't always necessary, I can't imagine playing a JRPG like final fantasy with more than 30 fps. Yes, devs need to stop lying, but graphics mattering that much is bullshit in my opinion.
Exactly it's the gameplay and story that matters and not how realistic it is. My favorite game is Conkers bad fur day on the N64 it had comedy, a fantastic story, it got bit spooky at point. It basically had everything that a good game needs except for the graphics and you don't see me complaining.
Graphics do play a role in the immersion of a game though. That is not to say that graphics are the most important thing, because if the rest of the game sucks... it doesn't really matter. In certain games though, it plays little to no importance. Like in ARPGs for instance, I still play Diablo 2 to this day.
An old game or a retro styled game obviously has that, but let's face it, graphics play a large part in the immersion of a modern video game. If the story and gameplay is terrible, graphics are a waste of time, but would you rather play a game with amazing gameplay and story at 900p or 1080p, 30fps or 60fps, better textures or terrible textures? It's still important.
if gfx dont matter to you...then heres a question...would u rather..for the same price..play a game at 600x400 or at 1080p?
I think graphics matter but just hear me out. I dont care how realistic a game looks as long as i can play 20 years from now and still say it looks good. A game can have 8-bit graphics and still looks good as long as it goes with the atmosphere. At least thats what i think. Let me know if you agree or disagree. I would like to hear your opnions.
Console gamers that say gameplay matters first and graphics dont...Then WHY DID YOU UPGRADE TO THE XBONE OR PS4!? If graphics or framerate was not important you would of kept your PS3, because atm most if not all games are coming out for last gen, next gen, and pc.
I didn't upgrade yet.
***** Which exclusives are there out atm?
I like the PS4 better than the PS3 overall. Some of the newer games I like to play aren't on ps3. I just wish there were more games on it so I play both
This is about the dumbest argument ever. Your statement is pretty pathetic. I hope you understand that.
Because the games I want to play aren't on the older systems. Hands're kinda forced in that situation.
The only game I can accept the 30fps argument for is LA Noir. Because it actually has a black and white film noir mode and the mocap was recorded at 30fps.
It's impressive how all of the francis videos are unedited
I laugh way to much on these vids, Way to go Boggie you've been a inspiration to many people =) looking forward to more Francis videos.
12fps at 480p is my favourite. Life should just be in 12fps, 480p.
yeah but for a more cinematic feel i much rather 6fps
Francis > Boogie
I have a 24"inch 1080p display monitor, 60hz.
Yes, there is a huge difference in 30-60fps and 900-1080p.
P.S I agree.
You know it's a good one when the video starts with boogie/Francis is panting
I usually skip your Francis videos because I generally don't find them entertaining. This however is the realest video I have ever seen on your channel. I don't think Sony or Microsoft planned for this kind of outburst from the internet about the consoles. Its totally justified though. Once you go 60 FPS its near impossible to go back to 30.
It depends, less than 60 on shooters it's unacceptable, but 30 fps in other type of games is ok. And I can tell you this, we buy the new gen games just because they stop developing for the last gen. If NES games were produced these days, I bet you a nut most of us, who started gaming with the NES, would be buying those games.
UselessInnovations I've been gaming since the NES. I disagree with that. I buy next gen consoles for progression. I buy them because I want better games, better textures, better resolutions and better frame rates. Otherwise we just get the same thing across multiple platforms. Example Destiny is almost identical on the Xbox One and Xbox 360. The only differences are resolution and the use of anti aliasing. I will game on just about anything but as time progresses I still expect more from these games. I have since bought a PC and an Xbox One. I only play games on the Xbox that I generally play with friends, exclusives or multiplayer games that simply aren't very popular on PC like COD for example. Everything else I basically buy on PC because I want those extras especially the frame rate. Give us games in 720p if you have to but do not sacrifice the frame rate.
Please a nes, I been gaming with a brick before a system came out. The funniest game was a brick through a glass house so much fun.... But felt bad for that dog that got hit by the brick..... :(
I just wished game developers would try to make the AI of enemies better instead of trying to bullshit with the graphics...
Play the original F.E.A.R. It will make your jaw drop when you see that they had awesome AI in 2005
yeah but the games of today are like a waste ground...
MFINN23
I never had a console...always had a pc or handheld
AI can now be better because of the new console hardware. Mostly because ps3 and xbox 360 had very limited RAM
MassEffectReaper
Which is used to house the higher res textures. Not such a bright idea of sharing system memory with video memory.
60fps is better, but the eye can handle around 60-80
You're quite the ignoramus if you believe such claims.
Your a fucking idiot.
no i can handle much more millitary studys show that an average human can detect up to a 1000 fps.They tested this by flashing a image with in a thousanth of a second to test soldiers reaction time to threats,
***** This. It just kinda blurs the line at some point where you cannot tell the difference as easy, but the difference it still present.
I have a 120hz monitor that can display 120fps, having used this for several years now I can easily tell the difference between 50-60 , 61-80 , 81-100, 101-120 fps
PC master race has had 4K 60FPS for 2 years now at least. Get on our level. PC Master race level.
This is by far the most hilarious Francis video I have ever seen
Does anyone here intentionally have an old CRT Television instead of a high def (now standard) 1080P minimum LCD/LED whatever? Something with like 480 resolution?
Don't be a liar and say graphics don't matter... They may not be the top of your list of features, but they DO matter.
IF not, like Francis said, go play your Atari and abandon your modern gaming. Hell, go live with the Amish.
I'm not a Graphics Snob, a Game doesn't have to be the most graphically advanced, so long as the graphics are well designed from an artistic perspective.
To me a game needs both good graphics and gameplay and great sound. You need this holy trinity of gaming to be in a good balance and be pleasing overall.
That's not to say I've never played a game where the game play was more important. But to have my default position be - graphics don't matter. Is just as silly as saying Gameplay doesn't matter.
Very few things in life are so cut and dry...
The best metals are Alloys, he best music combines multiple instruments, the best foods combine multiple seasonings and ingredients, the best games combine good graphics, sound and gameplay.
My problem is, so far this "Next Gen." is absolutely FAILING to deliver the promised games we all bought our consoles for.
I was absolutely hooked on the advertizing for Watchdogs, destiny, and a few others...
So far, the best games of the next gen that I have played on my PS4, is a PS3 remastered (Last of us) and Infamous Second Son, which I probably only liked because I never played the others in the series which critics said were basically the same...
This is sad... This is very sad...
I think one big part of the problem is, the next gen Consoles were not really ready, I Think the developers were not really planning on making games for next gen yet, and most of the games we see for next gen are actually last gen games with the Remastered graphics already put into them.
Take Watchdogs... There is absolutely NO next gen quality to that game, the graphics are marginally better on next gen, the game play is the same stale crap, it's just not up to snuff.
Next month when GTA 5 comes out again for Next gen, It will probably be the next Best Game on Next gen, and it's a last gen game with boosted graphics...
How pathetic... Next gen is a serious disappointment...
But to learn that Xbone can barely even reach 1080p at any refresh rate... that is just a kick in the balls... IMHO Xbone is a lost cause... Micro$oft is in a position where a reboot might be needed to stay competitive... Will we see an Xbone 2 in 2016 or something? I wonder...
But before you call me a PS4 fanboy... As much better as it is over the Xbone, it's still sub par... This year I am planning on rejoining the PC MAster Race with a self built PC that will blow the doors off either of these two consoles, and play the great host of games coming in the near future for the PC. Maybe I'll come back when the consoles get their shit together, and stop porting old console titles to next gen.
But before they do that, they need to retire the old gen...
Part of the problem is, they seem to want to make every new game come out on all 4 consoles right now... Talk about holding back progress... That guarantees that the Next Gen versions will not be up to the potential of the next gen consoles.
I have a. CRT television so I can play duck hunt :D.
D3mang3l Lol. Yea man. It auto corrected it to dick for some reason lol...
But I like my Atari. Chopper Command is fun.
Enjoy EA 1 bad thing about PC & server hosted by kids
Good argument 8/8
Francis pretty much nailed it. People who say retarded things like "graphics don't matter" are probably A: Ignorant hipsters, and B: Don't know anything about gaming. Framerate and resolution aren't simply eye candy...they are part of the basic mechanics of how a game is played. They determine how fluid, how responsive, and how PLAYABLE a game is. Framerate and resolution ARE gameplay, as well as being part of the graphics equation. The developers have some weak assed console hardware this generation and they're making excuses, and trying to drag PC gaming down to the same level. Gaming is going to shit, frankly.
1:55 Facts
So glad these videos popped up in my feed again in 2024 😂
You should be on that TLC show "My 600 pound life"
Ooooooooooh, buuurn.
Haha😂😂😂😂
@@SnowWolf00000 no.
World of Warcraft is the biggest example that graphics DONT matter. If you're not a spoiled little brat and all you ever had was PlayStation 1, and you still manage to pick up a new game for it every once and awhile and you somehow have no idea that better consoles exist then you're probably going to be just as immersed as someone playing last of us remastered or some other amazing looking game. And besides 1080p is resolution, 60 fps is framerate, neither have to do with the graphics engine, look at the vanishing of Ethan carter you can run it at 720p and it still looks absolutely stunning because they used photogrammetry and took their time with building the game, the real problem isn't the hardware, its consumers. Developers know they can take their same old engine, tune it a bit and a new story and some characters and it will sell like gold, if people stop buying lame triple a's, the developers will start to care more.
i only had my ps2 a shity computer
it all depends on the TYPE of game your playing, for first person shooters and games that try to emulate REAL LIFE graphics are important for immersion, sorry but your comment is shallow.
Ross Pie do you know ratchet and clank?
Ross Pie Don't know how old you are, but do you remember when call of duty 1 came out, you put it in your console and you were probably amazed, you literally felt like you were in ww2 and maybe you even replayed the campaign 6 times like I did, games are supposed to made for fun, simulators are made to simulate, and honestly considering how much violence is in video games, the day games cross the line between games and simulators I don't think I'll play anymore.
tayyib shahid wow just *wow*
2:00 UR GOD DAMN RIGHT !!!!!
"Hit me with a brick" bwahahaha!!! That's priceless!
Do this day Francis has still been saying bought it
LOL. Francis is so right.
lol at buying a console in 2014
Lol at not just shutting the hell up and playing on what you want :)
PC can't even make good Nintendo ROMs from 14 year old games. I can't even imagine how much new ones must suck.
@@Pekkio i smell a console player
@@kainicholas2526 Back then I was. 6 years later I now have a ryzen 3900x with 1080ti and other pricey parts i've spent way too much on. Feelsbadman
@@Pekkio bet it doesn’t feel that bad when you’re enjoying the graceful bliss of a silky smooth 120fps, though ayy
I really don't understand the problem with 30FPS.
I smell me a troll.
Then try playing at 15fps, thats how it feels for like 70% of gamers who are used to 60fps.
I'm not a troll. I'm serious.
Alec B. Play 60fps for a while and go back. You will see a HUGE difference
***** I play minecraft at 17 fps so 60 to me is swag overload
Thank you for clearing that up, Francis. I was waiting for that "sons of bitches".
Graphics dosnt matter. We want games not movies!
It all about graphics nowadays why because people have no idea the purpose of a game now
Okay I guess since graphics don't matter you can go play an atari from now on.
Graphics are definitely not as important as gameplay BUT they are still nice to have.
TheGamefreak8 I don't want a shitty game with hyper realistic graphics, I also don't want a ground breaking game story but 8-bit. I want a great game with okay graphics. Guess I'm playing more Fallout and Skyrim!
Blitz Storm
That's kinds what I was getting at.....
What is the purpose of game?
I care about the graphics but these PC players get kind of annoying when they come to a lot of videos and be like "oh PC is the best, consoles suck pc master race" I wouldn't go to PC because I like consoles better and they're simpler.
You probably also buy apple products.
Think about this. For the price of your console you can build a decent computer. Over time this decent computer you have, gets upgraded and upgraded. Before you know it, you're running any game on ultra settings and don't have to worry about your fps dropping below 60. Plus Steam sales GGWP
Fallout 3 has shit graphics, one of the best games ever made.
It had great graphics when it came out.. Now it has crappy graphics compared to new games..
That must be on the console.
I subscribe to a lot of people, and watch a lot of videos, but the video that I'm guaranteed to ALWAYS look for when I sign in is yours Boogie, rock on man, always putting out good content and good messages.
Lmao, "put it in black & white and add cigarette burns" funny as fuck Boogie.
If you want 1080p 60fps play on pc
If you want a good experience get a console
I would take hundreds of things on the screen at once with 900 p and 30 fps any day of the week.
troll alert
"If you want a good experience get a console" Huh?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
its funny because console games have the worst gameplay ever LOL, its not like "we'r doing better content with no graphics"
It's funny that you think people care about your opinion
Jay Jay u care enought to reply OWNed NIGGA
Gorzu true dat.
Gorzu lol nice trolling bud