Bicycle - The actual Cost of a GOOD bike. Don't pay more.
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More bike videos Martin, I like your common sense approach. I get tired of most of the bike videos on RUclips buying into the marketing hype!
Yes, we recreational riders need good reviews on inexpensive bikes. I wish each manufacturer would send me their one, strong "cheap" bike to me to test ride. My guess is from all known names you can't go wrong with these bikes if they guarantee the whole bike, parts and frame, for one year. But the crankset, wheels and brakes may continue to be unacceptable on most these bikes and need replacement, or you will have to go higher up the line to get these strong and safe components.
I totally agree - more bike content please.
Nothing like the no nonsense approach of a veteran who learned alot through the years.
If you have more to share, we would love to have it.
Cheers
Thank you. The next video will be on two bikes I just built up from $350.00 bikes. Adding only what was necessary to make the bike the strongest bike in the world.
Great vid.
I finally moved on from my Windsor Wellington 2.0 after 3 1/2 seasons. Your vid some years ago sold me on it. It was a terrific learner road bike. I stripped it down to frame n fork and i am keeping it on my wall for now.
I build my own bikes now from frame n fork. Collected tools little by little and find it much better than buying complete bikes. Very rewarding. Wrenching is part of my love for cycling now...and imo no bike shop will put the tlc that i put into my builds or repairs. I will go to my local for minor parts cables..pads etc etc and for wheel truing but that's about it. Hate truing wheels lol.
Always great listening to your wisdom.
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Thank you. Yea, me too, still don't plan on building my own wheels, but I will true the ones I have, when done truing the wheels are not absolutely perfect, but close enough.
Awesome... have been waiting ages for another one of your bike videos.. :)
Did you see the last video on riding 100 miles for the first time? RUclips subscriptions don't work very well any more.
Watched after this video... about to watch your 3 years on a fat bike video...
I agree... subscriptions and being subscribed to a channel doesnt seem to get a video highlighted like it once did..
I am so glad I found you in the beginning part of my cycling journey. I have bought some nice stuff since, but having your common sense approach on the background of my mind have always helped me to cut through the fad and concentrate on what I really want to have.
Thank you, glad I can be of some assistance. Once you get a good fit to your bike, fitness doesn't care what bike you ride. It is all about the engine.
You have cleared many things for me. Great tips.
Thank you so much!
Just checking back in. Glad to see you are still out there. I just got back into cycling again. I bought a road bike this time around- I'm not riding to work like I was before, lol. One thing I don't like about the bikes direct bikes is the gearing and cheap components- but the frames are great.
IF you pay more you'll get better components, and still pay about 60% of a bike shop. Obviously you must be a good bike mechanic, because there will be tuning to do when the new bike arrives. Wheel truing, wheel bearing load, headset adjustment bearing load, gear indexing, checking all bold torque values, crank tightness, bottom bracket cup tightness, brake adjustment.....more. OR take the bike to a store mechanic.
Cranksets is where the cheaper bikes have the lowest components, make sure you get a good name like SRAM or Suntour, or Shimano for an aluminum crankset. Wheels on any bike at almost any cost will be very cheap, I never use stock wheels anymore, especially on road bikes.
They opened up the trails I'm guessing over there.. Good to see another of your bike vids..
Yes, they opened them, and placed warning signs of "Ride at your own risk". The park is afraid of landslides after the fires, I would be too after any heavy rain. But what is crazy is riding in a landslide zone is still safer than riding a bike in city traffic by a factor or 100,000,000 to 1.
Thanks for the video! Great info and ideas!
Thank you. Happy cycling.
Great, Martin! I always appreciate and have benefited from your advice. I took a lot of notes! And I just ordered 700 x 35 schwabe marathon plus tires for my go everywhere hybrid! Thanks again!! Paul
Thank you. Mounting a 35mm Schwalbe tire...you will have to invent a new way, typical mounting technique will not work. My 26x2inch Schwalbe are not too difficult....but when attempting to mount a 700c x 25mm I had to mount with a all new technique, took about an hour to figure out...then I did not get the bead seated perfectly and blew out the tire when inflating. Seating the bead is the problem, and even after the tire is mounted you must still check the bead visually and go around the tire pressing the tire into the rim at 10psi listening for a seat. I felt like a beginner cyclist mounting those 700x25 :)
@@funnzie wow, I had the very same experience, Martin. A real struggle and I even pinched a tube in the process, so had to redo all over again. Disappointing at about $60 each, that said, the tires ride very comfortably. Fortunately, I've rarely have had a flat, so hoping not to have to take the tires off again until they wear out after many enjoyable rides. Also, btw, I have the Brooks B17 and it is the most comfortable seat I've had. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.
Loved the video tons of great information. I just started cycling recreationally with a random mtb I got from a friend. Like you said a beginner cyclist I’ve made mistakes haha, but I’ve learned within these few months. I’m now riding an old ten speed Raleigh. I love it, needs a few newer parts and some love but it works great. I’m currently waiting on my motobecane elite sport. I just want to say thank you for making this video and sharing your input, wisdom and info. One day I feel like I’ll end up making my own video like this haha. I also carry around my tools in my backpack just in case anything happens. I may not know what to do but I try, although there’s been times where it was just out of my hands. Never thought about getting a mirror but they way you mention makes me think again. Once again thanks for the tips. Happy cycling 👌🏽
Thank you. Make sure you are safe with a good operating bike and a mirror!
Thanks for sharing your experience, very interesting listening to you.
Thank you! Hope your cycling is going well this year!
You are the Mr Rogers of biking! Keep the content coming
Thank you! I am attempting to make the engine the most important component....you!
Thank you for taking the time to do this
You are welcome. I am trying to return cycling to the sport of fitness, not technology, and have us focus on the engine of the bike, the 98% importance of the bike.
funnzie exactly. Blows my mind that the cost of these bikes have gotten so high. I get top of the line tech is expensive - but every day cycling shouldn’t cost thousands. You can get a motorcycle cheaper than some of these “entry level” bikes. I get it’s supply and demand, but love seeing channels like this that don’t buy into marketing hype!
Very Practical video. Thank you so much
You are welcome! Enjoy the ride, your fitness doesn't care what you bike you ride.
Wow, I forgot a11 about the guy who motivated me to get into biking since it has been so 1ong. Good to have you back! Please make more vid's!! Hope you are we11. Makes me a bit sad to see you back in the okd stomping grounds where I first used to see you on video when I first moved to CA 7 years ago and got into biking much due to you. Who1e west coast has changed so much so I think we wi11 be moving. I am going to miss the biking and sunny days here. Have you ever considered tubekess?. I've converted two bikes and can't go back to tubes. Take care
Thank you, hope you are feeling the benefits of fitness today. Yes, a lot has burned since I stood on the mountain top when I shot the previous video a few years ago. California is getting difficult to live in. Tubeless, no, I am using Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires at 26x2 for the road, flats have become so rare with these tires that I don't want to change.
Always nice to hear from you
Thank you, I have been sending out video's but RUclips subscriptions are not as dependable at letting you know as they used to be.
@@funnzie I will check with your history, thanks to your videos and others I am starting to reach my optimal weight,
My respects
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! I started riding my daughter’s old WalMart bike a few weeks ago, and enjoyed the exercise. I plan to buy myself a better bike for fitness and recreational purposes. Thanks again!
You are welcome. See my videos on how to fit yourself to a bike before you buy. Fit is the most important aspect of the bike to your body.
I like the different thinking. Thank you alot
You are welcome. Seems people want to think the bike will do the work for you, it doesn't come with an engine.
Good vid, thanks! I watch your WK7600 vids also. Nice bike!
Thank you. Wasn't sure if you could tie my jibberish together on this one. Basically the video with the suggested linked videos should give you the answers to a good strong bike frame and parts for very little money.
@@funnzie Thanks, it looks like you covered most everything. Very helpful.
Hope you are well Martin. Safe riding!
Yes, thank you. Trying to balance riding intensity and distance without compromising my immune system so I remain strong against this CV19.
@@funnzie All the fresh air and vitamin D from the sun will be boosting you right up! So happy you are well. Take care.
@@DOBERSTAFFIE Hope you are healthy as well, stay strong and disciplined.
@@funnzie thank you my friend, blessing to you, we are fortunate her that nobody in this area has had it.
Hello!🤗🤗 We're rooting for you. I wish you all the best.🔔🔔❤️
Thank you.
Great information Martin. I've enjoyed watching your videos over the years. I was wondering if you've considered upgrading your video camera? I think if you used a windsock on an external mic (or lapel mic) and a camera that shoots in 1080 or higher would really boost the quality of your channel. Your cycling information is excellent, and an upgrade to your audio/video tech would make a huge difference. Keep up the good work!
Yes, I have a new camera, but won't take it on the bike with me. And yes, have plans for a better camera and wind screened microphone. Plans were stopped by my business in the toilet because of this extended lockdown.
Every LBS needs this guy! Especially in 2021. Will save thousands and keep people safe with those tips!
As with any non-contact sport danger levels can be controlled with skill and common sense. So many recreational riders end up on carbon racing bikes, don't know why.
@@funnzie Well right now during this pandemic the LBS all around me are creating this sense of urgency. "We don't have anything for under 1000$ those are ok bikes, let me interest you in this nice giant bike with carbon for $3500, a good starter" lol. To be honest I wish the service and knowledge transfer was a bit better. You leave the bike shop feeling like you just can't afford any bike and i.e. they don't really explain how one bike is easier to climb with (gear ratios). I will spend the $4000 on a used car instead so I can put my $800 dollar bike on the rack and travel to some trails. makes more sense to me. I only speak for recreational riding, for competitors and racers, sure maybe $4000 will yield a good ROI but not me and the LBS doesn't even ask, they just shoot for the moon, every single time.
Yes, this is why I made the video because most people cannot enter the sport for $2000.00 or more. So each time someone suggest a carbon racing bike to a recreational cyclist the entire biking community loses. Even the bike shop loses, better to sell ten $500.00 recreational bikes and all the accessories these new bikers will buy.....than ONE racing bike.
Hope you are still riding Martin. Hope to see some videos soon,
Hello!! Yes, been a while, hope you are healthy and exploring life. I have another RUclips channel I have been composing music for, music inspired by nature and orchestrated for a pleasant tranquil time. Still riding yes, don't own a car, so riding, hiking, kayaking is my only transportation.
After riding Italian Columbus tubed racing bike in the 80s, I am enjoying a 1990s Schwinn Paramount PDG 40 mountain bike ( guy had bought it at local Schwinn shop he had worked at,, almost unused) I really had it wrong , this bike is awesome made in Japan commuter/ touring . Rack mounts , wide tires, no toe overlap , I am gonna try those aero bars.
Yea! me too! I rode custom built steel frames in the 80's by a local frame builder. Brazed, lugged, double butted Reynolds or Columbus, made to my specifications, and equipped with Campagnolo Super Record. BUT...these bikes were raced professionally. Today, my simple little $300 bike with good wheels and multi-position handlebars does me just fine.
Great video Martin. You still got the Windsor 2.0?
Yes I do!!!! I got sick of all the flats on the 700c x 25mm tires (been riding 26x2 on the road on my other bikes for years now) and went with Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires in 700x25. And just took it for a ride for the first time this year yesterday, coincidentally! I still love this bike, the curved rake steel fork is just marvelous for ride comfort, the racing frame angles are fun to ride (nostalgia) and the bike fits me so well. The frame tubes are beautiful design and look fantastic with their complex shaping (the new windsors have gone to plain round tubes) and I have perfect gearing for the flats and rolling hills...this year my gearing will be 26-36-48 / 12-13-14-15-17-19-23-26. But for riding the road in the mountains I will only use disc brake bikes now with 2 inch wide tires.
@@funnzie Have been using the schwalbe tires for 8 years now and never had a flat, with 2 inch, 1.75 inch and 4 inch. Marvellous protection. How do you find the Schwalbe tires compared to the specialzed tires you used to use? My Bonatrager 23 mms are rather poor in comparison, several pinch flats and a few thorns, so the road bike is kept for inside trainer in the winter now as the frame is so narrow at the chain stays that 25 is the biggest you can go to but preferring the thicker tires and the comfort of the MTB, Fat and comfort bikes. As you said in the videos the flexibility of using the mtb for the road is the best, you can go off on to gravel roads and trails if you got bored on the roads and it does it all. Thanks for another great video! Safe riding!
@@DOBERSTAFFIE The Specialized Armadillo tires flatted many times, and the tires seem to wear out extremely fast. Only one ride on the Marathons Plus's so far, so need more time on these 25mm. The 2 inch Marathon Plus have not flatted yet in 2 years. I do have many bikes though so 2 years are not that many miles for one bike.
Hi Martin, this is a great video. I really appriciate you are taking the time to make these very educational videos. I live in the UK and I suffer from Ankylosing Spondylitis so I really can't ride road bikes. I would like to ride more long distance rides (100-200 miles) on road so is it better for me to get Hybrid bike and make the necessary modifications? One thing made me think though, if you are doing long distance rides is it really better on 26 inch tyres even when you are only cycling on road. I see people passing me easily on road bikes not just super bike fit cyclist but heavy cyclist as well I always thought this was due to their slim tyres. If I am going to cycle 100 to 200 miles a day not racing but fairly good pace do 26 inch tyres really work better than slim road bikes? Many thanks and safe cycling.
Please watch my video on "Riding 100 miles for the first time": ruclips.net/video/E70fsG8Bp0s/видео.html
IF you are riding 200 mile rides recreationally, you will need a fast light racing bike to recover more easily from intense long distance training regimen. (only a few people in the world can train 100 to 200 miles a day without injury, depletion of nutrients in your body, muscle atrophy, or death). You can ride an occasional 100 mile ride on the heavy bike in this video, but 200 miles is IDENTICAL to racing, and so will need all the help you can afford to buy. Please watch my video (link in other comment) to know why you are being passed on the road. Depending on your road surface and conditions, a 26x2 road tire may have less rolling resistance than a 25mm on every surface except the most glass finished roads. ( I am riding Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires 26x2 ) I don't feel like there is resistance over my other bike with the same tire maker in 700cx25mm. This is opinion only, going on feeling, I have a hill I test my rolling resistance of different bikes and tires, but it prove inconclusive, atmospheric differences and the tightness of the jersey I am wearing seem to be more important. NOW...bad cheap tires of any size drag horribly, find a fast tire that is specified as low rolling resistance ( a difficult task).
Hello Martin...I have watched your channel on and off...I enjoy your videos...I am contemplating buying this bike...would you mind listing all the upgrades with their particular model and brands...did you have to replace the handle bars to accomodate the aero extensions..I would like to set the bike up as close to what you have set up...
Hello, and thanks for watching. Yes, almost all flat bar bikes now use a handle bar with a rise, the bars must be flat to accommodate the Profile Century aero-bars. Bar extensions can be found anywhere. Third Eye Mirror. Rear rack sized for disc brakes can be found anywhere. The trunk bag without all the pockets is difficult to find, and once you find one, a few years later it has been discontinued, you just have to take what is available (do not buy a Blackburn trunk bag, absolutely the worst). The wheel upgrade was from Vuelta Wheels, about the only way is to buy from them direct now. Tires are Schwalbe Marathon Plus 26x2 inch. Plastic cages and bottles can find anywhere. Not so much upgrades as additions.
@@funnzie Hi Martin...Thank you for the info..in an email to bikes direct, I inquired as to the size and color availability of the dawes haymaker only to be told that they no longer carry the bike. They explained that my search engine led me to a web link that is dead. So, they gave me a link to their active site. So, from that site, I searched for a similar bike and came upon the 2021 Motobecane 400 Ht. Visually, the frame doesn't to be as robust as the haymaker. Here is the link to that bike. Could you look it over and give me your opinion and tell me if it is a comparable bike. Thank you, Martin.
www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/4ht_new_xii.htm
@@sournote28 I own a Motobecane 400HT. It is a good bike except for the fork, not a lock-out. You will not be happy with it unless you intend to replace the fork which is too much money for a new bike. Availability of ANY bike during our CV19lockdown is rare. So if you want a bike this year you will have to take what you can get.
@@funnzie Thank You, Martin. The specs did not point out a a lock-out on the fork. Maybe a used Haymaker will show up. Really appreciate the advice.
You need to make a new video. Maybe a vacation. Bike touring video?
I'm working on cutting down work schedule soon,, of course what's going on these days traveling is a risk. Would like to see lifestyle outside USA. ?
I was waiting until I upgrade my video equipment. It is time for better quality audio and video.
Great information! In some of your past videos you strongly recommended steel frame bikes. Would you now say a good aluminum frame bike today (comparing dollar for dollar something from bikesdirect) is just as good or would you still stay with steel?
I don't remember recommending steel bikes (except for racing and re-aligning after crashing) , I do STRONGLY recommend steel forks for rigid non-suspended bikes, NOT aluminum forks. I have never liked steel frames because of the flex in the bottom brackets under climbing and hard acceleration stress. So the ideal bike for cost/value is a aluminum frame and steel fork....or suspension fork. Besides there are very few steel bikes to choose from. The downside to aluminum frames is they cannot be aligned after collision or if out of alignment from the factory. But the cost we talking about for a bike ($400 to $600) a replacement is more sensible than repair. If you are not racing then alignment is nothing to worry about, I don't worry about it.
@@funnzie Thank you for the explanation and for all your wonderful expertise. Keep fighting the good fight!
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Thank you!
The Race Across America is getting bigger every year.
it is? Really? I have not watched or tracked a race in 20 years, did not even know they still raced. I don't watch tv, is it televised on a major network?
I got lucky, bought a 1997 Trek 1220 for $150 about 5 years ago.
Yes, with so many people buying new bikes and then never riding them, taking the risk of used isn't so risky anymore.
i dont see those tires available in 2'' (50 mm ) size
Hardly any parts are available today. But Schwalbe makes 26x2 (50mm) in the Marathon and Marathon Plus. Visit the Schwalbe website, there is a long list of sizes....not that you can get them during the fakepandemic.
Hi friend, I need an advice. I just bought a 2022 Specialized sirrus 2.0. The Drivetrain listed online it's subject, well when I got the bike I nocied all was as listed, real and front derailleurs are microshift 26, are they any good? Do you recommend me to upgrade those? Moreover, the crankset was listed to be entry level Acera crankset but when I got the bike it come with a non brand name crankset that looks very cheap and the first thing that came to my mind was to upgrade just the crankset to the claris compact crankset for $80 dollars or do the rear, front derailleurs and the cassette with the crankset to claris that is about $185 in parts plus labor. When I went to my local bike shops gave me the sales pitch. What should I do friend? I don't feel thet crankset is good enough or it might be just me? I would love to hear from your advice. Thank you so much.
I have never used a Claris, My crank usage which I can recommend for recreational cycling are [ Shimano: Deore, Alevio, Acera, Altus] and [Suntour: XCT] and [ FSA: Vero, Tempo]. I have used Suntour cranks with no model name as well as Shimano cranks with no model name. Seems for the very low priced Shimano and Suntour they don't print a model name on the crank just the manufactures name. These cranks I use today are NOT used for racing or sprinting, they cannot be trusted for 100% of my power in a sprint. I would trust one in the list, but have never sprint tested it, and that would be the Deore. I will do hard out-of-saddle climbing and hard acceleration (80% effort) with all the listed. The crank you have without a name can't be trusted, and don't use it if you feel any flex in it. For as little as $40.00 you can add an Shimano Altus..IF...you have the matching bottom bracket size currently, otherwise the correct bottom bracket type and length of spindle will need to be bought too.
@@funnzie Thank you so much for your prompt reply. One last question: can I mixmach the microshift front and rear derailleur? Will they wok together? Or a need to switch the derailleurs witn the same brand and model?
MIcroshift is a new company, I have never used these components. I assume Microshift is Shimano compatible, if yes, then you can use any Shimano compatible components. Derailleurs have to match the chain size you're using (7,8,9,10...speed) not the manufacturer. Cassette's have to match shifter. Front and rear derailleurs can be any manufacturer that matches chain size, and front does not have to match rear in manufacturer.
Bicycles by itself are very uncomfortable devices.I ride every single day,the whole year long,since the bike is my only means of transportation,and I don't even remember,how many saddles I've tried, tires,pedals, handlebars, mountain bikes, hybrid, I've built some mutant bikes by myself,I tried a lot of stuff, spent a lot of money ( the money is a always scarse in my life) and I never ever found a comfortable bike! Never!
Atm,I modified the classic road bike as a single speed road bike..
Feels okay for now, but.. after a while,no matter the bike or equipment, they just become uncomfortable! Recently I developed a spine problems, nothing serious,but the commuting,and longer cycling is even more bothersome now..
I mean..a couch is also uncomfortable, after a while, chair,well.. anything! Maybe the most natural thing, would be the plain old natural walking 😁
Greetings from Croatia from Kris from
Yes, they are uncomfortable. I don't own any motor vehicles, so, I ride a bike or walk or paddle a kayak to all my destinations. I purchase very inexpensive bikes and have 6 of them today:
1) Mountain bike fat tire, only for off road (road getting to the trail head though)
2) City bike with baskets for getting food.
3) A very cheap bike that I lock up when going hiking, cheap because it will be easy to steal, so I don't lose much.
4) Three road bikes made from mountain bikes, all with different body positions, saddles, and handlebars.
I need to be in a different position on the bike every day to survive the 1000 to 1600 kilometers a month I ride. I also use different shorts every day too, I have 7 different kinds of shorts all with seams in different places and chamois of different materials and sizes. I also ride with 4 different shoes too. Making sure I am using different contact points to my body, and different position on the bike makes for less strain. I also ride out of the saddle frequently even on flat rides to change up, also have 4 different pedal strokes that change the way I use my muscles during a ride. Also, I have a wide range of cadence (rpm) on the crank from 80 to 110 rotations per minute. Weight training and stretching are also tools for keeping the body strong as the upper body is supported statically. Using different saddles on all my bikes also helps a lot. Without all these changes daily I would have trouble riding every day. The most I spend on a bike is $350 US. So having 6 amounts to $2100, most people spend more than that on one road bike.
I converted mountain bikes to road bikes so I can use 26x2 inch (50mm) wide tires. I use the Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires which last a long time, low rolling resistance, and flat maybe once every 2 years at 16,000 kilometer per year. The flat bars of the mountain bikes let me bolt on cheap aero-bars for a good up wind efficiency, but also relieves all pressure on the hands. 50mm tires allow dirt roads with no problems and never pinch flat, and can be air-ed down for rough roads. By the time I am done modifying the mountain bike for the road I have added: bar ends, aero-bars, a rear rack, a rack trunk, SPD pedals, a custom saddle, and the Schwalbe tires, and bottle cages and water bottles.
Hope this helps and you have a budget for this. I would like to add a semi-recumbent, known as crank forward like a Trek Pure model some day, but will also be converted to Ebike for another radical position change for my body.
Martin, happy to see a new cycling video! Please post your Paypal or Zelle address so your fans can help you buy a camera that was manufactured after 2003.
Thank you, new camera coming soon, I already have a new camera, but too valuable to carry on the bike. Will be getting a second for the bike.
Bike price is getting really ridiculous 😡 it's so annoying I stopped watching ever since
Yes, not sure how any bicycle company can value a bicycle (without an engine) higher than a motorcycle.
But I am riding a recumbent
Okay, parts and frame still apply to you, just the mountain bike is not for you.
@@funnzie to some extent bent can go mtbing, but I have no money now. Low volume means bents are expensive. Check this video: m.ruclips.net/video/8RHBV3Ku8Ew/видео.html.
@@funnzie I think its funny that based in our ages, you should be looking for recumbents while I should be more into uprights.
I had a recumbent in 1987, and I have had semi-recumbents such as the Giant Revive and the Trek Pure. But the un-usual positioning of the body and articulation of the pedal motion in that position has made these bike too dangerous to my knees.
@@funnzie is that so? I also initially had many problems, like my sides were hurting and mt lft side felt very tired, and then my knee problem, but after acclimatizing, getting stronger and balanced, and also learned to get more spinning, the pain disappears.