@Thomas Shears Nice if it’s holding on at 4K I’ll be fine at 1440p UW. I have been considering getting the 4070 Ti from the 2070S now, along with a CPU upgrade down the road as I’m on a 9900KS. I don’t plan on gaming at 4K so it should be a perfect card.
The 3090 Ti was one of the stupidest GPUs to ever exist at that price point. To this day it holds up at some of the worst value we have ever seen in a GPU. We only tolerated it because it represented a slight performance increase that we could take the cut in and spend far, far, far less for. People who bought the 3090 Ti had no concern about cost ever, they just wanted the best. They would have spent 2500 on it if Nvidia charged for it. And how much VRAM did the 3090 Ti have again?
You guys actually think these prices are reasonable and it's hilarious. The last 80 class GPU had a 699 dollar MSRP and this one has a 1200 dollar MSRP. The last 70 Ti class GPU had a MSRP of 599. There is nothing normal or good value about these GPUs, and the fact that you have to compare it with a 3090 Ti to get it to look even remotely reasonable is proof of that.
@@ThreaT650 tbh with the benches of my 4070 ti that I got at MSRP it wasn't quite 3090 ti levels and sat between 3090 and 3090ti. Two very ridiculous priced cards. But when you get that performance at 799 it really isn't the worst. Definitely not even close to the most value efficient card, but it's performance is absolutely outstanding. I guess the best way to look at it is a 3090 at 800 dollars new. Not as a 70 series card
He's right here though. Even the 4080 for the money isn't really worth it. Graphics card market is out of control at the moment lol just look at the specs between the 30 and 40 series lol
Bru stop meatriding Nvidia its not a bad card by any means but still its not the best value y'all calling him an ignorant of the gpu market but he didn't say nothing wrong its objectively not the best value card at this performance yeah sure its the same as 3090 at half the price but 3090 was already a terrible deal the 4070 ti should've been priced at 699$
@@CJ-bp7ec bro idk why y’all complaining now the 2080ti and titan rtx were way worse. Then came the 3080ti and 3090, 3090ti no one was complaining cause Nvidia doubled the performance with ampere. And the 3090 msrp was the price of the 4090 while the 3090ti was 2k. So why is it when they made the 4070ti beat or match their old top end with a $100 increase yall wanna complain. And this my opinion why would you not upgrade to better gear each passing generation I went from 1050 to 2060 to 3080ti next step is obvious which is either 4080ti or 4090 cause they both are gonna do well anyway.
It's a used 3080Ti and the 4070Ti will equal and exceed the 3080. For $100 bucks more, it's worth it to get a warranty not to mention the lower power consumption. Power consumption could easily cost you $100 difference over 2-4 years of use. This is not the best advice, sorry.
@@chadef555 Not according to Tom's Hardware. The 4070 Ti is about 7% faster over a 15 game test @4K Ultra settings. At 1440 it's about 10% faster. I am not seeing any benchmarks where the 3080 Ti is significantly faster than the 4070 over a wide range of games. There may be a handful where the 3080 Ti stands out, but overall the 4070 Ti is equal or better and uses about 1/3 less power.
@@chadef555 you need a 4090 for vr otherwise you gonna get motion sick. Thats why most gamers don't care of vr because the don't have money for it. I gurantee vr gonna die next couple years just like 3dtv
@@ji3200 this is such a false statement it hurts 99,9% of the games in VR can be easily handled at 90 FPS with 3080. 6950xt easily handles those at 120 FPS. Unless you're talking about some extremely demanding SIM titles that are hard to run and not optimized then you don't need the 4090 at all.
One thing everyone is ignoring, is the fact that it consumes way less power than the RTX 3080 and performs similarly to a RTX 3090Ti. Buy a used 3080Ti or RX6900XT maybe worth it in the short term, but you'll have less warranty and you might need to change your PSU if u have 750W or below.
@@pf100andahalf I am convinced that a lot of people want to buy these GPUs or justify the GPUs they already purchased by debating the ridiculous notion that these aren't sucker prices. That's my hot take. Because you have to be incredibly uncultured in the GPU or PC world to believe that. People have even stooped to arguing these prices were some how predictable. Predictablility doesn't justify cost. These guys got caught lying to share holders about directly selling to miners and got fined for it. These guys had tons of oversupply of the 3000 gen GPUs while the ones they just sold to miners were competing with them on the used market. And instead of taking their losses and moving on, they have been trying to take absolutely no loss and transfer all this nonsense over to the consumer who they just got fined for screwing out of 3000 gen GPUs and failing to diversify their market. Gamers buy GPUs and hold on to them until they are obsolete. Miners buy GPUs and sell them the second it is no longer profitable, where you are competing with your own current gen in the marketplace. It is amazing how ridiculous people are being.
Lmfao if u don't have 800 or 900 bucks saved to splurge how ever u want then u have failed in life. They will price things with or without my contribution
@@FATALROTARY You really honestly don't get it, do you. If millions of people, and you are one of them, say loudly on forums and in the youtube comments section that a 4070 ti that should be $650 is fine at $800-$900, guess what the prices will always be. That's right, $800-$900. I really wish that you and apparently huge numbers of other people could understand that you're keeping things fucked, and you're defending being fucked. I really can't believe this.
@@FATALROTARY I know. It's a form of sociopathy. I would mention that you should look into it but the nature of your situation is it doesn't matter to you. Anything that makes things harder on people is funny to you. You only care about much pain you can inflict on others.
@@xdopsi6931 Yea its on par with a 3090ti... + Better DLSS and raytracing. I dont condone NVDIA and their predatory monetization.. but the rtx 4070ti actually isn't a bad deal.
It's because people who bought or may buy see the clickbait title and think oh no oh no I didn't buy something the way other people want me to oh no. Buyer remorse is a bitch and here this guy is making money off lies
Often times they don’t actually buy them. They get free parts and builds shipped to them for reviews. At least once they build up enough viewership that is. But it’s a business for them, they aren’t taking losses cause they make the money back. We on the other hand aren’t we are more then likely using these parts as our daily drivers so it doesn’t make as much since to go for something that you’re probably getting screwed on
4070 Ti is cheaper than 6900 XT and the others, here in the EU - in DK there 4070 Ti is 1022 USD; 6900 XT is 1100 USD; 3080 Ti is 1210 USD. So I am definitely going with 4070 Ti, cheapest and it has DLSS 3.0 etc etc
@@GraphicallyChallenged bro why tf do you care so much? Is AMD cutting you some royalties on units sold for this? It comes off as very desperate and pathetic, and I get the feeling you sold your soul for $$ to boast AMD and attempt to shit on Nvidia.
Bro you all care for gaming but perhaps there are some people that need 3d rendering I heard from differnt sources that nvidea is better for this kind. That is why I probably buy a 4070 ti because I want to game but also want a card that is good in 3d rendering.
The 3090 is a power hog it’s really for content creators and graphics design with that amount of VRAM, people buying the x90 series to game is unnecessary imo. Unless you need to game at unreasonable settings max ultra 4K for some reason.
@@davekrebo7180 apparently you haven't seen that jedi survivor for instance can use 18gb vram. And the solution to the power draw is to undervolt it. You have way too many cards with 12, 10, and 8gb vram and the 3090 is a solution for card that has plenty of vram. Now I wish that I'd gotten a $700 3090 instead of my $450 3080 10gb that I have to turn down textures on. I'm going to sell it and get a minimum 16gb vram card. Bottom line is the 3090 is an affordable way to get plenty of vram.
@@pf100andahalf Then I guess most people aren't going to play that game at 4k ultra settings. I bet they might even survive and have a good time as well.
Amazing how many nvidia shills are defending a multi billion dollar company. A 70 series card should not be more expensive than a 80s series from last generation
I am going to be honest, the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti is like in the top 3 of ones I am planning on buying when I can fix my computer or buy the parts to build a new one.
@@pf100andahalf no. I am saying compare to the other ones, the RTX 4070 ti isn't that bad and everyone made a big deal out of nothing. in fact, it is selling like crazy right now. people thought the sells on the day of or the week of release means it was doom but now, it is the highest saying GPU. that is because it price to performance is actually durable for a lot of people. from the 3070 to the 4070 ti, you might as well get the 4070 ti because it is just better.
@@darkstalkerknight63 The 4070 ti is overpriced. It should be $650 but instead it's $800-$900. And then you buy it and say, "It's a good deal, bro." We're fucked, do you know that? Prices will never go down because people like you, a hell of a lot of people, are 100% fine with getting raped by nvidia. People like you defending these high prices will keep them high forever. You happy now?
@@pf100andahalf and yet it is selling like crazy. no, it is because of people like you. you think it should be lower but don't have a reason why. at 800, it is a good deal even if you don't like it.
@@darkstalkerknight63 Jesus fucking christ I can't believe this shit. The 4070 ti should be $650. It's a tiny die. It doesn't cost over $400 to make. Why do you defend double prices? Why?
Idk why everyone is buying that card it sucks. I returned my 4090 and got the Rx 7900xtx and I don't regret it one bit. It's so much better of a card. I had more than a few issues with the 4090 where as the way cheaper 7900 performs way better which is crazy because the 4090 is so expensive and yet it has multiple issues
There's too many Team Green fan bois in this comment section. The 6950xt is the best bang for your buch at bellow 650$ if you want to game at 4k. If you aren't an animator or using ray tracing, there's no reason to get nvidia over amd.
PLEASE Don’t Buy an RTX 4070 Ti Not only will buying the 4070 Ti contribute to the ever increasing GPU price crisis, but you can buy a 6900 XT for around $600 or 3080 Ti for under $700 which will give you about the same performance for far cheaper. Don’t buy a 4070 Ti.
Based on the images you’re showing, it looks like you’re comparing used cards to a new 4070 Ti. If that’s the case you REALLY need to clarify that in your dialogue.
That's not true it's not the same performance per se. At straight raw rendering 4070 does out compete it slightly, but the extra features with nvidia RT cores and superior performance with DLSS 3 is really what makes it's shine even past the 7900xt which is a 900. I wouldn't say don't buy it. But it's definitely good to make sure you making an informed purchase, and to know what your getting. And remember it's not always about just raw performance
I got a 6900XT and the latest drivers are making it perform like shit in DayZ, for instance. GPU usage is all over the place and the FPS is pure trash in crowded areas, 40-50. I’ve got Adrenalin 21.12.1 installed, from Dec 2021, which gives me 90-100 FPS in the exact same spots. I regret not spending $150 more for a 3080 ti.
Unpopular opinion: If you're not buying top of the line to hold for a few good years (i.e. 3090ti, 4090) why even bother? Go big or go home. Just save intentionally for a few months, eat less, and share less with your family and friends, and you'll find a way to stretch. And if you STILL can't stretch, perhaps you need to work harder on improving your livelihood instead of gaming...?
Considering this gen's mid tier cards are performing close to last gens flagships, going "big" seems to be the dumbest move if this trend continues. You're better off getting the xx80 every other gen
4070ti is way better than 3080 and consumes less power and have dlss3.0, I don't want to buy a second hand GPU with no warranty with less power for a 100$ difference
@@johnsonsmithson45it’s been treating me really good. It has basically the same power draw as my previous 3070 Ti and performs basically as good if not better than a 3090 Ti. I can run Portal RTX at 90 to 100 fps. It’s a great card.
It's a good buy. Quit complaining already it's been months. It's getting old. Just got my 4080 and I love it. Worth it to me. If you're broke get an older card. If your coming from an older card 4000 series is great.
Update... STILL loving it! AV1 is awesome, and this card actually performs better than a 3080ti in games and 3D applications, whilst using allot less power.
Uhhhhh if I’m not mistaken doesn’t the 4070ti destroy the 3080ti in performance? Correct me if I’m wrong. Also a used 3080ti in Canada is like $8-850.00 and a 4070ti new starts at $1099.99
go watch some creditable testing, it is somewhat between 3090 to 3090ti at 1080 and 1440p, its memory limitation makes it not a 4k card, 4080 is for 4k
@@patsol80137900 xtx being faster than the 4080 ti and being cheaper, having better value, more ram, and also better specs is looking at your uneducated ass lol.
That’s what I’m saying bro he wants people to buy the graphics car he’s talking ab where you literally have to have over 800 watt PSU, He just a hater lmao
@@frosttvy1154 That's not what he said at all. What he said was that all new gpu's are overpriced and that you can find good deals used. He's right, because I found a used 3080 for $450 and you can get one right now for $500-ish. It's amazing to me that somebody can say something and different people hear different things.
@@beanslol1725what i hate about people is they think that gp used only for gaming some people use this gpu for productivity n nvidia is obviously a winner when it comes to productivity and the rtx 4070 ti perform slightly better than the previous 2000$ rtx 3090 ti
@@nikolasandreou9 No he didn't. He said 3080 ti. I got a used 3080 for $450 on ebay. Holy shit, people hear what they want to hear. The 4070 ti should be $650, but you're over here saying, "the 4070 ti at $800-$900 is fine bro!" And it's not. It's not a good deal and defending these prices is keeping prices high. But there are more of you than there are of me, and so prices will stay sky high, and you all will be happy to be fucked. I can't believe this shit.
Here's the thing though. A lot of used 30 series cards were mined to shit, and. A lot of resellers are branding heavily used GPUs as like new. So buying last gen doesn't really do anything to ameliorate the current price crisis bc you're still overpaying for a heavily used GPU that has a higher risk of being a dud. Some people can afford that risk better than others.
The 4070 ti is one of the best 4k gaming graphics cards plus it beats the 6900 xt in some games, and the 4070 ti outperforms the 3090 ti slightly, the 4070 ti is a good graphics card that excels in 4k gaming
VRAM might not matter now, but if you buy a 3090 with 24 gb, you can be confident that you will not have to drop the texture quality in games for a VERY long time (which is the most important setting imo). I wouldn’t be so sure with 4070 Ti. The power draw is something to consider though. I am not sure how big of an effect it will have on bills in the long term. But yeah, 4070 Ti is better than 3080 Ti. It’s also more expensive when you consider the used market. I would buy a 3080 if you want something cheaper and 3090 instead of 4070 Ti since they’re about the same in price.
So an overpriced card that costs less than another overpriced card is better? People like you are what's wrong with the high gpu prices because you defend them.
@@debeb5148 A 3090 is overpriced. Why do people like you use ridiculously priced cards like the 3090 to compare to another ridiculously priced like the 4070 ti? It's defending these high prices like you do that keeps the prices high.
Im literally done with influencers saying "Dont buy this gpu and heres why blah blah" Like excuse me the rtx 4070 ti can outperform the 3090 ti even on high graphics and the rtx 4070 ti is cheaper than the 3090 ti and uses less power and a less than 1000 watt psu, and has 12 gb of gddr6 vram which can run lots of npc models like for example a 100 zombies in left 4 dead. Dude if you wanna tell anyone to not by some gpu you have to research carefully before saying the advice.
the only problem with buying this old gen stuff that is equivalent is that the 4070ti power requirments are way less.. to run a 6900xt i need a 850 watt psu and above.. i only have 650.. so by time i get a new psu and gpu its the same price as a 4070ti.. im fucked regardless. u get dls 3.0 on 4070ti so its a no brainer really.. but im not buying any as yet.
Bruh u cant get a used 3080 for less than 500 bucks. That's like a 300 dollar difference for a much faster and newer card. 4070ti is an obvious choice.
I just bought a gaming pc with a ryzen 7 7700x and 4070 Ti with 32g of ram for $1100 from a co-worker. He doesn’t know anything about PCs and had it custom built. Barely used still looks new and plays amazing. Good deal? Or OK buy?
@Ravijot Singh It's the best choice to keep prices high is what it is. If the 4090 was $10,000 and the 4080 was $8,000 and the 4070 ti was $5,000, you'd say the 4070 ti is the best choice. People like you are helping to keep prices high and you defend nvidia with these high prices. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Bro company don't run on my thoughts. The reality is the prices are high currently and if some rich guy's old GPU has issues he will opt for the big guns. Remember money for them is not an issue. As for me I am preferring 6700xt RN. It's the bang for the buck.
So you're defending these high prices? No, you can get a 3080 for $500 used. You're just making shit up with your $100 number to justify high prices. You are the problem.
@@pf100andahalf The 4070ti is also faster than the 3080 and more power efficient so it saves you some money over time. Electricity is really expensive for me where I live. Also right now used 3080s (the 12gb variant as it compares more directly to the 4070ti) are $650 because most of the miners have sold their cards already (my guess). For me the $150 is worth it for the warranty and knowing it was not mined on. Sure there are cards you can bid on at 400 but looking at sold listings you won’t get it for that.
This guys is so phony. Not so long ago he was hyping the 4070 now he is saying don’t buy it 😂 same guy that say that people can easily tell the difference between 120hz to 240z. Most people can’t. Most people don’t even see colors the same way. Anyways… don’t listen to this guy. 👍🏽
At the end of the day the only people this conversation matters to is the top 10-20% of gamers who buy the best of the best and want 4k 100+fps gaming. I moved from a 1060(6gb) to a 3060ti a few weeks ago and holy fuck my world has changed even with a Ryzen 5 1600 bottlenecking the shit out of it😂
I have a 1060 6gb still lol. I have a Quest 2 that I want to use for steam vr and my card barely works in some titles. I wonder if the 4070 ti will play more demanding vr games and mods like Left 4 Dead 2 vr mod?
I have created a price to performance Excel sheet for blender rendering And 4070ti is best on price to performance It might not be a great card for gamers, but it is better for productive applications
Tbh it’s smarter to say a generation behind. You can get a 6950 xt for $650 brand new and it performs just as well. And your not very wise to spend an extra $150 for rt, fake frames and to avoid the non existent driver issues.
okay lets just forget about the really good performance of the card, the radeon gpus are way less cost efficient, if you only game around 2 hours a day, in a span of 2 years the 4070ti is already more cost efficient then the radeon cards.
For me, the fact that the 4070 ti uses so little power is the selling point. Also the fact that, in my country, the 4070 ti and 3080 are the same price across the board makes this point moot. It's a "Might as well buy the one with more benefits" which just happens to be the 4070.
The prices are in every country DIFFERENT, for example in my country the amd 6900 xt and 3080 cost the SAME (some models are even more expensive) for LOWER performance than 4070ti. And also 4070ti is better than 3080 or amd 6900xt, you just don't like 4070ti even though it's actualy WORTH IT or in your country it is different idk🤔
This is fantastic advice. I'm definitely gonna buy a 4070 Ti now.
I got it. Nice GPU!
I already have one
800 for that 🥺😂 not too smart
@@fabolousjada5070 it’s all relative, $800 isn’t the same for everyone, and different people can have very different use cases.
@Thomas Shears Nice if it’s holding on at 4K I’ll be fine at 1440p UW. I have been considering getting the 4070 Ti from the 2070S now, along with a CPU upgrade down the road as I’m on a 9900KS. I don’t plan on gaming at 4K so it should be a perfect card.
The 4070 ti is faster than a 3090 ti and cost half of the 3090 ti.
In MY COUNTRY that's SUPER TRUE so yes I'm buying a 4070 Ti
This right here is a comment made by someone who totally doesn't understand why their statement is ridiculous.
The 3090 Ti was one of the stupidest GPUs to ever exist at that price point. To this day it holds up at some of the worst value we have ever seen in a GPU. We only tolerated it because it represented a slight performance increase that we could take the cut in and spend far, far, far less for. People who bought the 3090 Ti had no concern about cost ever, they just wanted the best. They would have spent 2500 on it if Nvidia charged for it. And how much VRAM did the 3090 Ti have again?
You guys actually think these prices are reasonable and it's hilarious. The last 80 class GPU had a 699 dollar MSRP and this one has a 1200 dollar MSRP. The last 70 Ti class GPU had a MSRP of 599. There is nothing normal or good value about these GPUs, and the fact that you have to compare it with a 3090 Ti to get it to look even remotely reasonable is proof of that.
@@ThreaT650 tbh with the benches of my 4070 ti that I got at MSRP it wasn't quite 3090 ti levels and sat between 3090 and 3090ti. Two very ridiculous priced cards. But when you get that performance at 799 it really isn't the worst. Definitely not even close to the most value efficient card, but it's performance is absolutely outstanding. I guess the best way to look at it is a 3090 at 800 dollars new. Not as a 70 series card
This guy is always saying to not buy something lol
Can't stand this dude, feel like he is the type that was breastfed til he was a teen.....
He probably has a scalped 4090 in his pc too lol
His videos are entertaining but I feel like he trolls half his audience with saying not to buy gpu’s lol
He's right here though. Even the 4080 for the money isn't really worth it. Graphics card market is out of control at the moment lol just look at the specs between the 30 and 40 series lol
It gets the views. The 4070 ti is ok but still a bit of a rip off. That’s why I want one
how little do you know about GPU‘s?
Him: Yes
You’re ignorant
The 6950 xt is objectively a better value
Bru stop meatriding Nvidia its not a bad card by any means but still its not the best value y'all calling him an ignorant of the gpu market but he didn't say nothing wrong its objectively not the best value card at this performance yeah sure its the same as 3090 at half the price but 3090 was already a terrible deal the 4070 ti should've been priced at 699$
@@CJ-bp7ec bro idk why y’all complaining now the 2080ti and titan rtx were way worse. Then came the 3080ti and 3090, 3090ti no one was complaining cause Nvidia doubled the performance with ampere. And the 3090 msrp was the price of the 4090 while the 3090ti was 2k. So why is it when they made the 4070ti beat or match their old top end with a $100 increase yall wanna complain. And this my opinion why would you not upgrade to better gear each passing generation I went from 1050 to 2060 to 3080ti next step is obvious which is either 4080ti or 4090 cause they both are gonna do well anyway.
not if you live in the UK that thing EATS power @@David-bh1rn
It's obvious no one is listening to him. Nor should they.
AMD has dropped support for the 6000 series.
@@UltralifeTech where did you get that nonsense from
@@UltralifeTech no they did not
@@multyryex1761 From Nvidia. Lol 😂
He's a fucking clown show
It's a used 3080Ti and the 4070Ti will equal and exceed the 3080. For $100 bucks more, it's worth it to get a warranty not to mention the lower power consumption. Power consumption could easily cost you $100 difference over 2-4 years of use. This is not the best advice, sorry.
Only if you want to play 1440p at best. 3080ti can do 4k easily in all games including over 4k for VR
@@chadef555 Not according to Tom's Hardware. The 4070 Ti is about 7% faster over a 15 game test @4K Ultra settings. At 1440 it's about 10% faster. I am not seeing any benchmarks where the 3080 Ti is significantly faster than the 4070 over a wide range of games. There may be a handful where the 3080 Ti stands out, but overall the 4070 Ti is equal or better and uses about 1/3 less power.
@@chadef555 you need a 4090 for vr otherwise you gonna get motion sick. Thats why most gamers don't care of vr because the don't have money for it. I gurantee vr gonna die next couple years just like 3dtv
@@ji3200 I use a gtx 1080 for vr and it works great.
@@ji3200 this is such a false statement it hurts 99,9% of the games in VR can be easily handled at 90 FPS with 3080. 6950xt easily handles those at 120 FPS. Unless you're talking about some extremely demanding SIM titles that are hard to run and not optimized then you don't need the 4090 at all.
One thing everyone is ignoring, is the fact that it consumes way less power than the RTX 3080 and performs similarly to a RTX 3090Ti. Buy a used 3080Ti or RX6900XT maybe worth it in the short term, but you'll have less warranty and you might need to change your PSU if u have 750W or below.
Keep in mind the vram. Rx 6800 and higher has more vram. 16gbs
@@blakefantasy2600 let them think it’s better until 6 months from now when new games come out
@@fabolousjada5070 Do you even need 16+ gigs of VRAM?
@@cynthiaandoh9575 no lol 8gb is plenty ppl saying its not are tripping
@@kingiument4627 Idk if 8GB is plenty depending on what settings and resolution someone's playing at. But people saying we need 16GB+ seems extreme
Then what the fuck are we supposed to buy
Exactly 😂
7900 xtx
@@Naddi2023 AMD drivers are poopy
He literally said the 6900 xt. 6950xt is also far superior in fps
Amd or arc I guess
A 4070 ti actually slightly outperforms a 3090 ti, and the 4070 ti is cheaper, I see it as a good deal
yea crazy to pay less for more performance
@Maxwell Cat Stop comparing prices to ridiculously overpriced cards like the 3090! ti Holy crap where do you people come from?
2 years later with far less vram LOL
@@ThreaT650 "But it has fake frames!"
@@pf100andahalf I am convinced that a lot of people want to buy these GPUs or justify the GPUs they already purchased by debating the ridiculous notion that these aren't sucker prices. That's my hot take. Because you have to be incredibly uncultured in the GPU or PC world to believe that. People have even stooped to arguing these prices were some how predictable. Predictablility doesn't justify cost. These guys got caught lying to share holders about directly selling to miners and got fined for it. These guys had tons of oversupply of the 3000 gen GPUs while the ones they just sold to miners were competing with them on the used market. And instead of taking their losses and moving on, they have been trying to take absolutely no loss and transfer all this nonsense over to the consumer who they just got fined for screwing out of 3000 gen GPUs and failing to diversify their market. Gamers buy GPUs and hold on to them until they are obsolete. Miners buy GPUs and sell them the second it is no longer profitable, where you are competing with your own current gen in the marketplace. It is amazing how ridiculous people are being.
Just got mines. No regrets
@FATALROTARY you have no regrets for making sure prices stay ridiculously high? That's what you did when you bought that card.
Lmfao if u don't have 800 or 900 bucks saved to splurge how ever u want then u have failed in life. They will price things with or without my contribution
@@FATALROTARY You really honestly don't get it, do you. If millions of people, and you are one of them, say loudly on forums and in the youtube comments section that a 4070 ti that should be $650 is fine at $800-$900, guess what the prices will always be. That's right, $800-$900. I really wish that you and apparently huge numbers of other people could understand that you're keeping things fucked, and you're defending being fucked. I really can't believe this.
@@pf100andahalf its not that i dont get it.. its that i dont care
@@FATALROTARY I know. It's a form of sociopathy. I would mention that you should look into it but the nature of your situation is it doesn't matter to you. Anything that makes things harder on people is funny to you. You only care about much pain you can inflict on others.
Did that guy just say that 4070 TI performs the same as 3080 or I just misheard
Exactly. This guy smoking smt hard😅🤣 its about almost 40% better. Who is a extreme perf boost🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@xdopsi6931
Yea its on par with a 3090ti... + Better DLSS and raytracing. I dont condone NVDIA and their predatory monetization.. but the rtx 4070ti actually isn't a bad deal.
@@DildoFagginsNL 4070ti are about 1200$cad. Its really great for whats you get. Butttt lets talk about the i5 13600k.. this shit is hella crazy
@@xdopsi6931
Haha you destroyed the uploader with your funny comment!
@@xdopsi6931 just ordered a pc with the 13600 in it 😅
He's right in saying you shouldn't buy it. But that's because it only has 12GB of VRAM, and the 4070S and TiS exist.
Funny how these influencers always tell you not to buy, but they always buy them for "research" purposes
It's because people who bought or may buy see the clickbait title and think oh no oh no I didn't buy something the way other people want me to oh no. Buyer remorse is a bitch and here this guy is making money off lies
Often times they don’t actually buy them. They get free parts and builds shipped to them for reviews. At least once they build up enough viewership that is. But it’s a business for them, they aren’t taking losses cause they make the money back. We on the other hand aren’t we are more then likely using these parts as our daily drivers so it doesn’t make as much since to go for something that you’re probably getting screwed on
Him “BUY A 3080 FOR THE SAME PERFORMANCE”
Also the 4070ti being faster than the 3090 ti 😂
insane advice. glad no one listened
New 4070 ti:
-has dlss 3.0
-performs better that a 3090 ti
-costs half the price
-has frame generation
This guy: yeah don't buy that
Right 😂
this youtube content creator's are always trash and they are to sisy , trust me dude 4070 ti and 4080 are still beast
You definitely can't compare a 4070 ti with a 3080 ti. The rtx 4070 ti is more comparable to a 3090 ti
I come here just for fun Because this channel is not serious
Ong
lol the 3080 ti aint giving you the same performance..wtf..and buying an amd gpu is not even an option..fuck that
4070 Ti is cheaper than 6900 XT and the others, here in the EU - in DK there 4070 Ti is 1022 USD; 6900 XT is 1100 USD; 3080 Ti is 1210 USD. So I am definitely going with 4070 Ti, cheapest and it has DLSS 3.0 etc etc
😭😭😭
@@GraphicallyChallenged bro why tf do you care so much? Is AMD cutting you some royalties on units sold for this? It comes off as very desperate and pathetic, and I get the feeling you sold your soul for $$ to boast AMD and attempt to shit on Nvidia.
That's new is it not? Lol last 80 class GPU had a MSRP of 699 and now the 70 Ti ln the new gen is far more. These prices are nuts.
@@ThreaT650 In the US microcenter is selling an ASUS 4070 TI for $800.
bro you have at 1000$ 15% faster gpu with 20gb (rx 7900xt)
Bro you all care for gaming but perhaps there are some people that need 3d rendering I heard from differnt sources that nvidea is better for this kind. That is why I probably buy a 4070 ti because I want to game but also want a card that is good in 3d rendering.
If you pair it with the right cpu its very good.this man is a fucking knob
How the analogue 7900xt gives the same performance as 6900xt?
The fact that you get the 4070 ti under warranty for the next few years is more valuable to me than getting a used 3090.
Yes! Celebrate high prices!
The 3090 is a power hog it’s really for content creators and graphics design with that amount of VRAM, people buying the x90 series to game is unnecessary imo. Unless you need to game at unreasonable settings max ultra 4K for some reason.
@@davekrebo7180 apparently you haven't seen that jedi survivor for instance can use 18gb vram. And the solution to the power draw is to undervolt it. You have way too many cards with 12, 10, and 8gb vram and the 3090 is a solution for card that has plenty of vram. Now I wish that I'd gotten a $700 3090 instead of my $450 3080 10gb that I have to turn down textures on. I'm going to sell it and get a minimum 16gb vram card. Bottom line is the 3090 is an affordable way to get plenty of vram.
@@pf100andahalf Then I guess most people aren't going to play that game at 4k ultra settings. I bet they might even survive and have a good time as well.
@@drumyogi9281 I was hoping somebody would defend crap value gpu's with too low vram and, as if on cue, you arrive just in the nick of time!
Waiting for the 4070 Ti Super instead 😂
Amazing how many nvidia shills are defending a multi billion dollar company. A 70 series card should not be more expensive than a 80s series from last generation
Except it's a 70 series only in name, it performs better than last gens flagship, which retailed for $1499 at launch
@@hua..its cost per frame is still shit compared to cards like the 7800 xt and 4070
I just bought 4070ti. really amazing 😊
I am going to be honest, the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti is like in the top 3 of ones I am planning on buying when I can fix my computer or buy the parts to build a new one.
@darkstalkerknight63 you're telling nvidia that raping us on price is okay if you buy it.
@@pf100andahalf no. I am saying compare to the other ones, the RTX 4070 ti isn't that bad and everyone made a big deal out of nothing.
in fact, it is selling like crazy right now. people thought the sells on the day of or the week of release means it was doom but now, it is the highest saying GPU. that is because it price to performance is actually durable for a lot of people.
from the 3070 to the 4070 ti, you might as well get the 4070 ti because it is just better.
@@darkstalkerknight63 The 4070 ti is overpriced. It should be $650 but instead it's $800-$900. And then you buy it and say, "It's a good deal, bro." We're fucked, do you know that? Prices will never go down because people like you, a hell of a lot of people, are 100% fine with getting raped by nvidia. People like you defending these high prices will keep them high forever. You happy now?
@@pf100andahalf and yet it is selling like crazy.
no, it is because of people like you. you think it should be lower but don't have a reason why. at 800, it is a good deal even if you don't like it.
@@darkstalkerknight63 Jesus fucking christ I can't believe this shit. The 4070 ti should be $650. It's a tiny die. It doesn't cost over $400 to make. Why do you defend double prices? Why?
Idk why everyone is buying that card it sucks. I returned my 4090 and got the Rx 7900xtx and I don't regret it one bit. It's so much better of a card. I had more than a few issues with the 4090 where as the way cheaper 7900 performs way better which is crazy because the 4090 is so expensive and yet it has multiple issues
You’re probably the only person in the world to return your 4090 for AMD, either stupid or full of shit.
I already bought a 4070ti over 2 weeks ago, because the 4080 cost too dang much and none of them would fit in my nzxt h1 v2 case.
Lol me too. Best card for my requirements and it checked all the boxes.
Inno3d 4070 ti will
And you helped make sure prices stay high. What an ass.
There's too many Team Green fan bois in this comment section. The 6950xt is the best bang for your buch at bellow 650$ if you want to game at 4k. If you aren't an animator or using ray tracing, there's no reason to get nvidia over amd.
PLEASE Don’t Buy an RTX 4070 Ti
Not only will buying the 4070 Ti contribute to the ever increasing GPU price crisis, but you can buy a 6900 XT for around $600 or 3080 Ti for under $700 which will give you about the same performance for far cheaper. Don’t buy a 4070 Ti.
See my other comment, in the EU it is a different story :) We're buying 4070 Ti like crazy.
Based on the images you’re showing, it looks like you’re comparing used cards to a new 4070 Ti. If that’s the case you REALLY need to clarify that in your dialogue.
That's not true it's not the same performance per se. At straight raw rendering 4070 does out compete it slightly, but the extra features with nvidia RT cores and superior performance with DLSS 3 is really what makes it's shine even past the 7900xt which is a 900. I wouldn't say don't buy it. But it's definitely good to make sure you making an informed purchase, and to know what your getting. And remember it's not always about just raw performance
Man we don't leave in the USA 3080 ti is more than 4070ti here
Yeah but buying a mined gpu isnt good either no warrenty less life expectancy
I got a 6900XT and the latest drivers are making it perform like shit in DayZ, for instance. GPU usage is all over the place and the FPS is pure trash in crowded areas, 40-50. I’ve got Adrenalin 21.12.1 installed, from Dec 2021, which gives me 90-100 FPS in the exact same spots. I regret not spending $150 more for a 3080 ti.
Unpopular opinion: If you're not buying top of the line to hold for a few good years (i.e. 3090ti, 4090) why even bother? Go big or go home. Just save intentionally for a few months, eat less, and share less with your family and friends, and you'll find a way to stretch. And if you STILL can't stretch, perhaps you need to work harder on improving your livelihood instead of gaming...?
You can easily hold a 4070ti for 7 years.
Considering this gen's mid tier cards are performing close to last gens flagships, going "big" seems to be the dumbest move if this trend continues. You're better off getting the xx80 every other gen
nah this gens cards dont seem worth it at all rn
4070ti is way better than 3080 and consumes less power and have dlss3.0, I don't want to buy a second hand GPU with no warranty with less power for a 100$ difference
A 3080 is $400-$450 what are you talking about it being $100 less than 4070 ti?
Or are you talking about the new price of a 3080?
@@codykorzenowski6888 the guy in the video mentioned 3080 being 700$ and only 2nd hand 3080 is gonna cost 450$ and 4070 ti beats 3090ti
@@gobin.b I mean if you really try you could Find one for 400 or even less although most sell for 450
Guess what? I bought one anyway.
how is it I am in the market for one just curious
@@johnsonsmithson45it’s been treating me really good. It has basically the same power draw as my previous 3070 Ti and performs basically as good if not better than a 3090 Ti. I can run Portal RTX at 90 to 100 fps. It’s a great card.
Here's Your Sign....."TPS"
Is dlss 3.0 working in 3080 ti ?
No just 4000 series cards
People will buy them, it’s the lowest price for a new 4000 series card. The lower models won’t be any faster that the 3000 series.
It's a good buy. Quit complaining already it's been months. It's getting old. Just got my 4080 and I love it. Worth it to me. If you're broke get an older card. If your coming from an older card 4000 series is great.
It's not a fucking good buy. Just stop it with your defending getting ripped off. You're what's wrong with these prices making sure they'll stay high.
some ppl don't like buying used.
People get crazy about the price when it's a huge generational leap.
If you cant afford it buy a 3060ti. You don't need anything more for 1080p
Why do you defend these high prices? People like you are ruining everything for everybody.
I bought a 4070ti when the price dropped and am loving it
Update... STILL loving it! AV1 is awesome, and this card actually performs better than a 3080ti in games and 3D applications, whilst using allot less power.
Get outta here with that AMD nonsense
Uhhhhh if I’m not mistaken doesn’t the 4070ti destroy the 3080ti in performance? Correct me if I’m wrong. Also a used 3080ti in Canada is like $8-850.00 and a 4070ti new starts at $1099.99
It does, mostly >3090-ti gaming performance
go watch some creditable testing, it is somewhat between 3090 to 3090ti at 1080 and 1440p, its memory limitation makes it not a 4k card, 4080 is for 4k
@@pdattack I’ll stick with the 4070ti. Better price and no one NEEDS to 4K game lol.
Looks like this guy asked nvidia for paid promotion and they throw him out so now spreading hate aginst them . Unliked and reported
No one is going to talk about how GT 710 has more sales than 3080💀
The GT 710 was always there for us. Always in stock. Always reasonably priced.
@@pf100andahalfpoor people love amd 💀 enjoy dog tier performance
@@patsol8013 the gt 710 was made by nvidia. Dumb people say dumb things.
@@patsol80137900 xtx being faster than the 4080 ti and being cheaper, having better value, more ram, and also better specs is looking at your uneducated ass lol.
It’s because it’s the best one out of the bunch for Crypto mining 😂 but the supers out now so it’s about to be dethrone with that bigger memory bus
4070ti is faster then 3080 so yes buy 4070ti. Wtf you expecting prices be 2017 level. You unrealistic
The 4070 ti is faster than a 3090 ti and cost half of the 3090 ti. This guy is just hating
@@scrimdareaper2749exactly
@@scrimdareaper2749 the price is still horrible, $799 for a 70 class card is way too much.
Im going to buy one just because his advice of not buying one is actually stupid, the new card uses less power and comes with warranty
And buying them makes sure prices stay ridiculously high but you're too stupid to see that.
That’s what I’m saying bro he wants people to buy the graphics car he’s talking ab where you literally have to have over 800 watt PSU, He just a hater lmao
@@frosttvy1154 That's not what he said at all. What he said was that all new gpu's are overpriced and that you can find good deals used. He's right, because I found a used 3080 for $450 and you can get one right now for $500-ish. It's amazing to me that somebody can say something and different people hear different things.
I bought Zotac RTX4070Ti Trinity 12GB for 840GBP and it was my best decision so far....
Just bought it too, is there any coil whine? Does it run smooth at 1440 with no frame drop?
@@frosttvy1154 Yes it runs smoothly and no coil whine!!!
@@orestefanovic8877 it’s defenitely a beast just got it and man it runs so fast I can play gta with my mods on ultra and it cranks out hella FPS
@@frosttvy1154you didn’t do any research before buying a 800 dollar gpu?
@@beanslol1725what i hate about people is they think that gp used only for gaming some people use this gpu for productivity n nvidia is obviously a winner when it comes to productivity and the rtx 4070 ti perform slightly better than the previous 2000$ rtx 3090 ti
Got 3 4070ti’s for mining for $580 each brand new! They are incredibly efficient in my solar mining farm.
3090ti for 1600€ RTx 4070ti 910€ currently in German
Cheapest 3080 Ti I could find was around £998
STOP COMPARING 3090TI PRICES TO THE 4070 TI! AN OVERPRICED CARD COMPARED TO ANOTHER OVERPRICED CARD IS STUPID!
@@pf100andahalf did you even watch the video? He says it is cheaper to buy a 3090ti
@@nikolasandreou9 No he didn't. He said 3080 ti. I got a used 3080 for $450 on ebay. Holy shit, people hear what they want to hear. The 4070 ti should be $650, but you're over here saying, "the 4070 ti at $800-$900 is fine bro!" And it's not. It's not a good deal and defending these prices is keeping prices high. But there are more of you than there are of me, and so prices will stay sky high, and you all will be happy to be fucked. I can't believe this shit.
@@pf100andahalf who hurt you lol
Here's the thing though. A lot of used 30 series cards were mined to shit, and. A lot of resellers are branding heavily used GPUs as like new. So buying last gen doesn't really do anything to ameliorate the current price crisis bc you're still overpaying for a heavily used GPU that has a higher risk of being a dud. Some people can afford that risk better than others.
The 4070 ti is one of the best 4k gaming graphics cards plus it beats the 6900 xt in some games, and the 4070 ti outperforms the 3090 ti slightly, the 4070 ti is a good graphics card that excels in 4k gaming
Should be $600-$700 though. But if u can't wait then it's not that bad compared to the 4080's value.
how is 12g vram and 192bit mem bus a 4k card , it is at most 2k , testings are done 4070ti stutter hard due to mem issue in 4k compare to 3090 or ti
Good for 4K, LOL
4k gaming requires more than 12gb vram
😂 how do u have a channel with this much miss information
4070ti actually a pretty good buy, plus 3080 and 1
90 is almost the same price sir, maybe in your location it is but not where I'm at
I got one for 400$ used on facebook marketplace tho. hehehehehheehehe..........
The 3080ti is selling for ridiculous prices
It’s 550 usd rn on the used market. I could just buy that and a new power supply instead of spending 1000 usd on a 4070ti and a psu.
VRAM might not matter now, but if you buy a 3090 with 24 gb, you can be confident that you will not have to drop the texture quality in games for a VERY long time (which is the most important setting imo). I wouldn’t be so sure with 4070 Ti. The power draw is something to consider though. I am not sure how big of an effect it will have on bills in the long term. But yeah, 4070 Ti is better than 3080 Ti. It’s also more expensive when you consider the used market. I would buy a 3080 if you want something cheaper and 3090 instead of 4070 Ti since they’re about the same in price.
The 4070 ti is much better than a 3080 ti, it also is only $100 more and is brand new
Shit, try getting a 3090 rn, it's more expensive for a bit less performance. Almost twice as expensive sometimes.
So an overpriced card that costs less than another overpriced card is better? People like you are what's wrong with the high gpu prices because you defend them.
@@debeb5148 A 3090 is overpriced. Why do people like you use ridiculously priced cards like the 3090 to compare to another ridiculously priced like the 4070 ti? It's defending these high prices like you do that keeps the prices high.
Im literally done with influencers saying "Dont buy this gpu and heres why blah blah"
Like excuse me the rtx 4070 ti can outperform the 3090 ti even on high graphics and the rtx 4070 ti is cheaper than the 3090 ti and uses less power and a less than 1000 watt psu, and has 12 gb of gddr6 vram which can run lots of npc models like for example a 100 zombies in left 4 dead.
Dude if you wanna tell anyone to not by some gpu you have to research carefully before saying the advice.
Looking forward to the eventual: Please buy the RTX 1234!
It's like 850 now I'm definitely buying one
😂and that’s supposed to be cheaper?
As a former 3080ti owner and a current 4070ti owner... Buy a 4070ti. Power consumption alone makes that an easy choice
Does less power consumption mean it produces less heat? Cause if so I’m sold
@@nolyfe4814 yes plus overall better coolers on the 40 series.
the only problem with buying this old gen stuff that is equivalent is that the 4070ti power requirments are way less.. to run a 6900xt i need a 850 watt psu and above.. i only have 650.. so by time i get a new psu and gpu its the same price as a 4070ti..
im fucked regardless. u get dls 3.0 on 4070ti so its a no brainer really.. but im not buying any as yet.
Bruh u cant get a used 3080 for less than 500 bucks. That's like a 300 dollar difference for a much faster and newer card. 4070ti is an obvious choice.
And consumes less power
@@keonxd8918 and has DLSS 3.0 👍🏻
Yes! Celebrate high prices!
@@Alex-us3pz Also it generates fake frames
I just bought a gaming pc with a ryzen 7 7700x and 4070 Ti with 32g of ram for $1100 from a co-worker. He doesn’t know anything about PCs and had it custom built. Barely used still looks new and plays amazing. Good deal? Or OK buy?
Don’t listen to this guy. 10minutes of research you can see he is wrong
If somebody has that budget then it's the best choice being the latest architecture
@Ravijot Singh It's the best choice to keep prices high is what it is. If the 4090 was $10,000 and the 4080 was $8,000 and the 4070 ti was $5,000, you'd say the 4070 ti is the best choice. People like you are helping to keep prices high and you defend nvidia with these high prices. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Bro company don't run on my thoughts. The reality is the prices are high currently and if some rich guy's old GPU has issues he will opt for the big guns. Remember money for them is not an issue. As for me I am preferring 6700xt RN. It's the bang for the buck.
It's called inflation.
No it's not. Inflation didn't double the price, and stop defending these high prices. You are disgusting.
It's called price gouging
@@GMindset959 it’s called nvidia greed
Ok ill buy the 4060
Don’t buy a new card with a waranty buy one that was mined on to save $100. Great advice.
So you're defending these high prices? No, you can get a 3080 for $500 used. You're just making shit up with your $100 number to justify high prices. You are the problem.
@@pf100andahalf The 4070ti is also faster than the 3080 and more power efficient so it saves you some money over time. Electricity is really expensive for me where I live. Also right now used 3080s (the 12gb variant as it compares more directly to the 4070ti) are $650 because most of the miners have sold their cards already (my guess). For me the $150 is worth it for the warranty and knowing it was not mined on. Sure there are cards you can bid on at 400 but looking at sold listings you won’t get it for that.
This guys is so phony. Not so long ago he was hyping the 4070 now he is saying don’t buy it 😂 same guy that say that people can easily tell the difference between 120hz to 240z. Most people can’t. Most people don’t even see colors the same way. Anyways… don’t listen to this guy. 👍🏽
I agree dawg, got a 4090
Rx dont have dlss 3,and its not good in rt,thats why
4070Ti I have three of them.
At the end of the day the only people this conversation matters to is the top 10-20% of gamers who buy the best of the best and want 4k 100+fps gaming. I moved from a 1060(6gb) to a 3060ti a few weeks ago and holy fuck my world has changed even with a Ryzen 5 1600 bottlenecking the shit out of it😂
I have a 1060 6gb still lol. I have a Quest 2 that I want to use for steam vr and my card barely works in some titles. I wonder if the 4070 ti will play more demanding vr games and mods like Left 4 Dead 2 vr mod?
I'm ordering one tonight smd
Fr lol
I have created a price to performance Excel sheet for blender rendering
And 4070ti is best on price to performance
It might not be a great card for gamers, but it is better for productive applications
In your opinion, is frame gen not worth it? Do you think it’s a scam? Or just not worth the difference.
I bought 4070 ti and i cant complain, got almost every game in stable 240fps but all the games keep crushing idk why
stable 240fps on 1440p or 1080p?
1080p@@drippp4257
3080 Ti drains on average 100W more than 4070 Ti with same/lower performance.. But you can save 200-300$ if you buy it used
Tbh it’s smarter to say a generation behind. You can get a 6950 xt for $650 brand new and it performs just as well. And your not very wise to spend an extra $150 for rt, fake frames and to avoid the non existent driver issues.
In my country 3090 is 40k ₺ while 4070 TI is 22k ₺
Already bought a 4070 ti
thank you just bought a rtx 4070ti
4070ti is on par with 3090ti and 6900xt is kind of horse poop. So it is actually quite a good deal if you can find it at msrp.
With the 4070ti super coming out soon with 16gb of vram and 256 bit bus memory it must suck being a 4070ti owner knowing you got scammed
Yes but can’t you use DLSS 3.5 with a 3000 series
Wait for super to come out, it will readjust market prices
i bought the 4070 ti for 1200 dollars
okay lets just forget about the really good performance of the card, the radeon gpus are way less cost efficient, if you only game around 2 hours a day, in a span of 2 years the 4070ti is already more cost efficient then the radeon cards.
Right now every 3080 and 3090 I find is 1000+ dollars and every 4070ti is cheaper and I don’t know how???
You can also buy a 4070ti for 600$
the 4070 Ti isn't as fast as the 3090 Ti it's nearly as fast but I agree, totally buy it but a 7900 XT is totally awesome
For me, the fact that the 4070 ti uses so little power is the selling point. Also the fact that, in my country, the 4070 ti and 3080 are the same price across the board makes this point moot. It's a "Might as well buy the one with more benefits" which just happens to be the 4070.
This thing costs way less then a 3090, performs like a 3090, just has less vram, I have it and beside the vram it's amazing.
I've changed my mind.. 1440p + Rtx 4070 12Gb + Ray tracing.. I'll wait for Rtx 5000 release tho.
What about the dlss and the ray tracing ?
The prices are in every country DIFFERENT, for example in my country the amd 6900 xt and 3080 cost the SAME (some models are even more expensive) for LOWER performance than 4070ti. And also 4070ti is better than 3080 or amd 6900xt, you just don't like 4070ti even though it's actualy WORTH IT or in your country it is different idk🤔
Remember, rtx graphics cards have special features like flash quality that are much better than Radeon or any other gpu
Dont listen to this guy, im still buying a 4070 ti