WATCH exclusive bonus content where *Ariel* answers audience questions. CLICK the link: triggernometry.locals.com/ CHAPTERS: 00:00 Intro 06:01 Ariel’s Consequences for Attending a Peaceful Protest 15:46 Reactions from Ariel’s Record Label & Friends 30:26 Why You Can’t Support Trump in Hollywood 34:04 Are Artists in Hollywood Enslaved? 40:45 Why Ariel Supported Trump 52:33 Are the Public Being Manipulated? 1:06:15 The Elitist Agenda of a New Way of Life 1:17:24 Is Ariel Influenced by his Location & Industry? 1:31:57 Lamenting the America that No Longer Exists 1:40:59 What's the One Thing We’re Not Talking About?
@@Rick_Cleland - honestly, I think they're in denial. They know there are such things as Think Tanks. They know there are such things as Central Banks. They know the very wealthy own the majority -- if not all -- the technology that supports the modern world. So why do they keep pretending they don't? My only guess: cognitive dissonance, i.e. denial.
44:50 no, KK, the court DID NOT find that against AJ, the court issued a default judgement and AJ was never permitted to argue the merits on his case. The court simply declared that AJ wasn't supplying all the documents he was supposed to, despite supplying tens of thousands of them. AJ was totally railroaded. You can't even say the trial was a sham, *_because there literally was no trial_* except to calculate the damages that they assumed he was guilty of causing.
@@yinoveryang4246 Not everyone has the gift of taste lol. All your favorite artists and painters have done atrocious things and had horrible beliefs. You should take nothing at face value.
the true genius of ariel is his ability to replicate many different styles of music from different eras and decades, then puts his own unique spin on things. one song may sound like a pop hit from the 60s and then another sounds like some weird futuristic 80s new wave song, then back to a black sabbath-esque rock tune. his recording technique is also a lot of his style and his appeal “lo-fi” he does an excellent job at making music that sounds so familiar yet so totally different. ariel is one of the most important artists of our time and its terrible whats happened to him but i have much more respect for him now then i ever did before
I think he was right in his assessment of what people were thinking of him though. I think the drugs have gone to his head too. But the same could be said about many geniuses including j spaceman, Lou Reed, or Shane McGowan and on and on
Man I first heard Ariel Pink when I was 16 in 2005 or so… this guy has been a trailblazer in underground indie rock. EVERYONE liked him, everyone was stoked when he released new content. He had similar fan bases to groups like animal collective and deerhunter. I knew there would be hate against him for attending the rally, but I had no idea labels would drop him and try to erase him and make him broke. We love you Ariel, Pom Pom is one of the greatest albums of all time.
One of the big indie labels need to step up above the woke BS and sign Ariel to another record deal. He's one of the most creative musicians alive, nobody can do what he does. As a musician it's sad to see these labels whom I support treat their artists so poorly because of their personal beliefs. Ariel could release his own music without a label and there are still many fans who support his work.
we all know it's not just the labels,Media ,institutions and there are plenty American citizens who are complicite in seeing anyone with the wrong opinion ostracised and shamed, it doesn't help when they are basically teaching this type of left wing intolerance in universities, nothing will change until that is dealt with
Do artists even want record label deals anymore? I'd guess the bigger problem is shadow banning and algorithm manipulation by the streaming platforms that limits ad revenue, merch sales and the exposure needed to book tour dates
you have literal nazis in your country trying to reinstate a whites only state, and you still think some "wokes" are the problem. America is seriously fucked.
@@kirschkäfer this is the funniest comment ever if it wasn't an indication of how crazy the Left have gone, that is a total insult to the people who died under the nazis, we have an ever more authoritarian Democrat party that has just been caught influencing elections with the FBI and twitter, that is the real fascists
I’ve loved Ariel Pink’s music since around 2010. He’s still a favorite and on repeat on several of my playlists. After this interview, I dig him even more.
It's outrageous how this poor dude has been treated. Mexican Summer wanna hang their heads in shame. Even his mates jibbed him off. He's better off without "mates" like that. I hope everything comes good for him. His new music is great.
Been a fan of Ariel Pink since 2010. Back then I considered myself a leftist and tbh I think even Ariel would have also. We were fed up of politicians. We, (I assume for Ariel also) thought Obama would actually change that. He didn't. He made it even worse. Then a non-politician comes around, ego aside, started telling things like it was....Now lefties like Ariel, John Maus, me, are now Nazis........kay....guess we're not lefties anymore.
This is just another psychic epidemic humans are always prone to. They think trump, a man flagrantly in the public eye for 4 decades, on God knows how many reality shows, a supporter of Clinton Inc, was all this time LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER. Yup - mass psychosis...
Of course you are a Nazi!!! I couldn't agree more with your comments! If you have a chance watch the Munk Debates on RUclips with Matt Taibbi, Douglas Murray vs Malcolm Gladwell and some NY Times chick. Gladwell insinuates that because Taibbi respects old reporting of the 60'and 70's that Taibbi must be a racist. Disgusting
Ariel never paid any attention to politics until Trump came along and the pitchfork crowd started turning on him. I think he sees himself in Trump and that they are both victims of the media.
@@simonzoric Ariel made the mistake of thinking he could be a free thinker. As a MAJOR somewhat shielded critical darling, he didn't understand how vicious the Woke crowd, his base, was becoming. I think he's still shocked by the reality of what the world has become.
I appreciate the questions, but the guest is trying to put words to something that we don't understand and a lot of what he is expressing is really complicated and on the cusp of truth. Something nefarious is going on and we don't know how to understand it and protect ourselves from it.
I think a lot of that comes from the fact that we have thrown out most of our language that deals with the spiritual world, and assumed that all of that is completely bogus, when it’s not.
@@whatshisface04 yes that's true? And some are better at getting the words to match the story. You could tell he was having a hard time with that. But credit due, he was working really hard at it 🙂
@@EBM4545 Agreed, he did the best he could with what he knows. I enjoyed the interview, because you could tell Ariel was trying to explain something more than just, “Yeah, it’s a group of evil dudes in a room controlling everything.”
@@whatshisface04 maybe the fact he is talented and folks appreciate what he does on the music front will protect him enough to developed and understand better what he and many are going through, both on the public and private level. I am praying he can withstand this onslot and find folks like you and I, but on a level that can help with that development. I expect to see some serious hitters reach out to him who are on the truthful side.
@@EBM4545 Amen! I know it’s probably a pipe-dream, but I keep hoping that one day I’ll see Jonathan Pageau pop-up on here as a guest on Triggernometry.
Oh my God I had no idea this had happened to Ariel Pink - presumably due to the lack of reporting that often goes along with someone being cancelled. Ariel Pink is an absolute genius, and comes across as a truly nice guy here too. Thanks for reporting on this Trigs
He lost his career for being an openly homophobic racist douche bag and he lost his record deal which is absolutely the companys right to not do business with cancer like that you fucking idiot
@@cameinyourface1351 he was saying dumbass things several years ago that got him plenty of flak. He first started out saying weird ass creepy things about women a long time ago. He was already hated in the indie rock world going wayyy back. Then he started in with his racist homophobic bullshit and thats when his record label dropped him. He went out of his way to ruin his own career. Fuck him.
Ariel, I've loved your music since 2007ish and saw you live in Minneapolis, MN. Was super fun. I LOVED your comments in this interview. Keep strong, brother. I'll be supporting your music.
Konstantin's going after "they" is heavy-handed. 1. "They" are in a sense an emergent phenomenon, like life. Try to find it in the body and you'll find nothing, just molecules. 2. Most of us were taken off guard by this mass psychosis, and many of us don't necessarily know how to articulate it, but they know something is wrong. One doesn't always know who "they" are specifically, just that there is a system there, like life.
Some people have taken the Trump/Hitler comparisons too seriously without realizing that the problem isn't "who" the problem is "do you have any evidence to back your beliefs".
In 2012, Ariel in an interview said "everyone I know is claiming to be bisexual or trans." He has always been ahead of the curve. Ariel is saying we are being forced to be "tribal" and that it's not natural. Because of KK's childhood and background, he's behind the curve in terms of vision. Ariel is crazy and insightful, and insightful because he's crazy, and going crazy because he's insightful.
On the contrary. Tribal, is the natural modus operandi of vast majority of human beings. Yearning to belong to any group is tribalism. The more of a mindset "my (insert group identity here) right or wrong," the more tribal you are. Having never had such mentality, and seeing it all around me, I call this place planet of the apes.
@@raifthemad I would agree with you. I'm very tribal. To a fault. Most of us are. Ariel just doesn't like that fact. And there is a sense in which it leads to genocide. Often.
@@zzzaaayyynnn Oh I despise the tribalism as well. Planet of the apes is not a praise. And of course the worst atrocities are perpetrated by empathic tribal people. As soon as someone gets designated as enemy of the tribe, the amount of nastiness the apes within that tribe are capable of never ceases to appall me.
What great things? Billions to billionaires? Did not build a wall? Did not pass infrastructure bill despite CONSTANT promises? Less jobs than Obama? Never producing a policy to replace Obama care beyond destroying it? Theft of classified documents? Undermining faith in American democracy, on the basis of zero evidence? Filling his own pockets with millions of dollars sent to him by rubes who thought it would be used to fund the legal case against the election? The trade war with China that screwed US businesses so billions of tax payers money was needed to subsidise them against the losses? The list is very long.
@@smelltheglove2038 I agree. I think it is all social engineering from the top down. I don't know exactly what their end goal is, but they are simply fucking with everyone through this scripted live show.
KK: "We can't even get a show out on time, how is it possible for anyone to be so clever as to have a grand plan." Do you think Bill Gates is the largest owner of farmland in the US because he likes chewing on straw? Do you think CBDCs are just about convenience? Maybe you just think nobody could be simultaneously more intelligent *and* nefarious than you?
A guy who made albums like Before Today, Mature Themes, Pom Pom and Dedicated to Bobby Jameson, yet still gets cancelled just shows the true colours of the mob. This is not left v right. this is real v fake.
@@josephblowseph6123 When life becomes so comfortable, people subconsciously yearn for something to rebel against. Left or right. Anyone reading this right now in the West has been living in paradise. I don't buy the current narrative of 'oppression' When people who never worked an honest day's pay in their life, come out, wearing clothes more expensive than I can afford, after watching TV that I can't afford, filming on phones I can't afford and tell me to my face that I have oppressed them, I cannot accept it. But the same is true of the right too, or at least it has been in the recent past. (Religion BTW, thats the one thing, at least in USA thats holding Republicans back from earning more support, despite the fact their founding fathers implicitly denounced organised religion). Notice that all this BS happens in the most free, most prosperous nations. Try asking an Ukrainian about third wave feminism. Ask a Yemeni about pronouns. Ask a Venezuelan about socialism. When the shit hits the fan, the only thing that matters is the truth. We are animals. We are primates. It is in our BLOOD to fight. When you live in paradise, who you going to fight? Better think what got us to paradise instead of trying to destroy it.
it is getting to be pretty blatant good vs evil with how far the left goes. obviously the right can be just as evil, but generally this trend toward communism and the marxist tactics at hand with gender identity and all that crap, it is 100% pure evil and if you aren't aware of it, just look up John Money.
This was super interesting but a little difficult to watch. It felt like Ariel and the Triggermometry cast were effectively saying the same thing but were talking past each other. Ariel's point was that it is the will of a certain group of people with a certain mindset that is dictating public disclose, but the Triggermometry cast viewed his emphasis on there being a "group of people" and calling them "they" as a claim about a maniacal, coordinated cabal planning to rule the world. Groupthink in practice looks like autonomous individuals spontaneously developing a perspective, gravitating towards people with that shared perspective, discussing their shared vision, and those individuals going out into the world to make their vision a reality. People with power and influence with a shared perspective will move the world in a certain direction and when they all meet in a room and outsiders learn of it and those outsiders dont emphasize how spontaneous that meeting was, it will sound like they are describing a cabal. It seemed pretty clear he didn't believed in a cabal once he said "by they, I mean us" but his point was not understood so the conversation became circular.
"You will own nothing and be happy" Bill Gates owns the most farmland in the US. CDBCs are just around the corner, along with all the control over individuals that a malevolent government could wield. All the insanity of the last 2 years.... It's as if they need literal faces to understand that the powerful have control, and love to throw it around. It should be shocking to nobody, but saying the word "they" is the problem, according to KK... Myopic.
I feel mostly the same way. Also, I think many people are averse to the idea that a group of people want to rule the world because of the stigma that goes along with “conspiracies”. But I think it would have been useful for trigonometry to accept that groups of people have always wanted to rule the world. It’s naturally in powerful peoples interest to maintain and expand the framework from which their power is derived.
you're making stuff up, i watched 50 minutes and theres no talk about global cabal, also these guys are talking about establishment, which are democrats(socialists)
And that collaboration with Jorge, “No Real Friend”, being my favorite of these 2 and “Hang on to Life” are such awesome beautiful songs. “Put your number in my phone”, White Freckles”, Kitchen Witch”, “Round and Round”,”Only in my Dreams”, “Alisa”,”Menopause Man”, “Crybaby”,” I Wanna Be Young”,”Interesting Results”, all the song mentioned above comments…..I could go on and on and on and on and on. Love you Ariel and always will
KK repetitively harangues Pink with the question "Yes, yesy, but, who are 'THEY'"? to which Pink replies each time, "its 'US... all of us but some are *following a principle* that is willing, *individual by individual* , our destruction (paraphrase)" and KK is not satisfied with what is a logical and rather sophisticated response to KK's inference instead that Pink believes in a masterminded conspiracy... What's galling is that KK himself at 1:12:00 refers to "those people" when talking about the moral code that Trump was opposed to, which Pink (who is no silver tongue unfortunately, failing to emphasise that these threatening motives are based different values/principles) identifies parsimoniously and sufficiently succinctly as "globalists". But KK is never satisfied with Pink's sound responses that point to "they" as "those OF US whose principles are globalist/woke and are against USA/West/(Christian values) in a war for cultural hegemony etc". KK keeps pushing to characterise Pink's position as conspiratorial - see 1:29:00 to 1:31:30 - What do you think KK is up to with this stubborn and fruitless questioning?
I really annoys me how much he refuses to even consider the possibility of a handful of powerful people conspiring for a common goal… simply because Anton messes the audio at the start of every Raw??
Ariel should put out his music as an independent like Tom McDonald. I appreciate him for standing up and thinking for himself. So sorry for his situation. I agree with Ariel, there is nothing organic about this movement.
Well, after the latest twitter information release it should be clear that there is a 'back room with a round table' where people make decisons who is canceled, shadow banned, supressed and so on... The room could be virtual though ;)
Seriously!! Yeah, KK, there is a group of people shutting down voices… that comment didn’t age well. I know this was filmed before the Twitter release.
@triggernometry, are you going to come out with a correction on your opinion about there not being people in boardrooms who are choosing who to go after now that the Twitter files have been released?
Ariel made the musically boring 00s brilliant with his albums House Arrest, The Doldrums, Sacred Famous, FF>>, Lover Boy and Worn Copy. Then he got semi-famous in 2010 with the Before Today album. When he performed a fantastic rendition of "Round & Round" on Fallon I thought he was gonna be as big as Nirvana. Didn't quite happen but he did a couple more brilliant LPs Mature Themes & Pom Pom. He was always a bit of a provocative contrarian in the mould of Johnny Rotten, Mark E Smith, Morrissey etc. so he wasn't going to appeal to everyone. He wound up a lot of people so when those haters found they had a useable weapon to destroy him they used it with full force. I don't have to personally like or agree with musicians I admire. I didn't know if I was going to want to hear what he had to say but I think he did really well and this talk has actually endeared me further to him. Let's hope he's top of the charts in 2023.
This was a weird interview for these guys. Normally they would be on his side but it was like they were attacking him. I’m confused. Because the things that Ariel was talking about are the things that they talk about all the time.
I don’t see it as an attack. Challenging someone’s ideas allows that person to express more fully what they believe. Sitting there nodding in agreement doesn’t allow others like myself who know nothing about this guy, to understand what he is trying to convey since he is being asked to precisely explain why he thinks what he thinks.
@@juliemaizels442 Yeah, but these guys are pretty red pilled. They recognize that Trump did do some good things. If you watch other interviews with them and I have watched a lot it’s a great podcast and normally they don’t act that way when they talk to someone coming from the right or that’s red pilled. That’s why it was so weird.
@@cherryislandhope Lol no but nice try There are those people out there, but they are the main stream people they are people in the media, etc. not independent people. This controlled opposition thing has become a ridiculous meme. The reality is everyone is controlled. There are rules there are laws there are guidelines community standards, etc. so to certain degree everyone is controlled except for the ultra ultra elite. People like Jeffrey Epstein. But even they go down sooner or later. At least we can hope we get most of them in time!
Ariel Pink is one of the most talented artist of our time. I'm listening to him since 2010, and for sure, I'll still continue to listening his music forever. It's a shame what happened to him because he did nothing ! Ariel, don't let those stupid people break you down. Never !
"They" is a bunch of people with general interest who come together to achieve a common goal. Its not rocket science or tin foil hat stuff. It happens at every level of society. People conspire all the time. Two host both agreed that humans are "tribal" , if that is the case "tribes" also exist at every level, from poor, to rich, from towns folk, to government, big tech etc.
Songs like Lipstick, Menopause Man, Fright Night, Live it Up, Not Enough Violence, Kitchen Witch, Black Ballerina etc etc, etc. These are songs which i loved. After I heard about what happened to Ariel (and John Maus), I realised I loved these even more. This guy is the modern day Johnny Rotten. Also check out John Maus btw.
@@donathandorko doesn’t that go to the record company? I’m probably going to go sail the seas, and hopefully support him by going to see a show, whenever that happens.
@@smelltheglove2038 apparently it goes both ways as Ariel got back the rights to his songs. So Spotify it is split between label and himself and if you subscribe to his substack it all goes to him.
Ariel Pink is the last person I expected to see on Triggernometry. I'm someone who hates almost all music released in past twenty years but he's one of the few modern artists I truly like. A real breath of fresh air. I had no idea about his politics (nor did I care) but seeing this interview I like him even more.
What Ariel is trying g to get across to KK is anyone who is vocally supportive of Trump, in America, is attacked and defamed. This is the first time I've witnessed KK to be so dense, so bullheaded.
Always enjoyed Ariel's music. Also, it annoys the fuck out of me when people make all these tired old points against the idea a "conspiracy" could happen. How can they keep it a secret? It's not a secret, we're talking about it. No one is that competent. We went to the fucking moon, we built huge cities, social engineering is not something so complicated it's unfeasible. Who are "they"? The WEF, Davos, anyone who runs a large bank, etc. The global elite that everyone always talks about. It is beyond obvious that there's a group of people essentially trying to control the world. It seems like people make these tired points to come off like a serious intellectual that doesn't believe in "nonsense", and to protect themselves from social stigma. Despite the overwhelming amount of evidence, they still make these arguments. It's exactly the same thing that used to/does happen with UFOs.
Exactly. If you talk to any actual person on the street, most of them will tell you that they believe that a group of elites are conspiring behind the scenes in order to maintain/increase their power. Depending upon your political inclinations, it might be the white patriarchy, the globalists, Blackrock, a satanic cabal, the military-industrial complex, (the Jews if you’re Ye), etc… We disagree on the specifics, but everyone can feel the yoke, as it were…
yeah Ariel is completely right. Triggernomatry are still scared. they still dislike trump as said in this episode. ive noticed alot of people formerly on the left can't fully accept that they were wrong about trump and want to deny whats really going on
Like, I have to agree with this guy that brits really don't understand what it's like to be a thought criminal in woke-holds in the us. Our countries are similar enough that it's easy to assume we're the same. I believe it's very different based on the continuous lack of a precise understanding expressed by brits I follow. It actually helps me to see Ariel get agitated by this; I feel that!
But how does it happen? We technically have more legal protections than the UK because of our Bill of Rights. I mean, I know a lawsuit is super expensive, but at least it's a tool in the belt that we have over any of the European places.
I disagree. Its just as bad here. Winston had to leave Mumford & Sons because he said he like a book. In U.K. the Arts and Culture seem to be totally captured by a narrative.
Ariel Pink is/was one of the most brilliant indie music artists -- if not THE most brilliant indie artist -- of the 21st century. I used his singles and videos in my university lectures for years. He's underrating his importance here. What happened to Ariel is his personal tragedy and has been a great loss to music. He must be vindicated!
I don’t personally know who this guy is,he must be a decent chap to be on Trigg, But more importantly he comes across as really upset/disturbed by the way the population have treated him. I despise this woke cancel culture, diversity crap ! All the best pal, stay internally strong & when you can move on. I’ve got to add he’s damaged mentally by drug use now I’ve watched the full interview, I stand by my original statement, I only hope Aerial Clears his genuine mind
I like this guy. I will probably support his music more now. That being said trigg has a TON of guests that are not decent. That is okay though because when they speak it bolsters why they aren't decent people. Luckily they have more decent people on than bad. About 60-40.
The guest was amazing. It's just sad the KK interviews like he is some sort of controller, talking over his guest and steering the narrative that is allowed to be delivered.
Yes,the idea that k said that it is all just from the ''Information age'' is bull. These guys know better than this. The woke,controlling of media, cancel culture, WEF, climate fear porn is real and planned. Never seen them push back like this.
@@bengold7942 You are right, I don't like his opinion, often. I feel he lacks deep insight and overlooks a lot of what is in his face. However, I can overlook any difference of opinion if he were to actually let his guest complete his thoughts. The guest wasn't cutting him off..
What's funny is I am in the Indie scene myself (this is my personal account not my music posting account) and I just finally bought one of his albums. I wanted to listen to it while I was working at home and searched it on youtube I saw the onslaught of the political nonsense. I had no idea it even happened and I love him more. #arielpink
Ariel Pink is a very welcome member of the club right here in the real world 🌎. We are so happy to welcome you, words cannot describe our joy at knowing we have you on our side. You are now part of our movement, we are of one mind ie.. to defeat the Matrix that is Woke Globalism (the new Communism)7 and create the next chapter of progress that involves traditional family values, Christian morals in a world were free speech reigns and censorship is exposed to the light of day.
Never heard of this guy ….but I agree with everything he says My new favourite comment about the times ….. “It seems odd” to everything Are we awake yet🕊
I used to think Trump was a joke....another symptom of our "cult of personality". That is until I saw how much the "establishment" fears him...I gotta say it gives me pause.
I feel bad for him - both for what he went through and for this interview. He looks so stressed, not everyone can handle two trigger-level interviewers at the same time.
It’s only because Konstantin is acting like a total dipshit. “There aren’t people in a board deciding…” Yes there absolutely fucking is. Has KK not checked into the last 3 Twitter files drops from Elon? Musk PROVES it. Has KK not seen Zucc on the Rogan show talking about the FBI’s “outreach”? Peter Strzok? Lisa Paige? General Milley working against Trump during his presidency? Kanye’s “trainer” threatening to drug him for life? The coordinated media attack on the Covington kids!? The coordinated media attack on Kyle Rittenhouse? Claiming the 2020 riots were “mostly peaceful” while demonizing grandmas being waived into the Capitol by police? Is KK trying to be disingenuous or did he take a fall recently?
i agree sometimes i thought he could cry. One odd thing though. one of the first things he was saying he is not that into politics. But then he clearly is
Despite being a fellow Gen-X contrarian I'd never heard of Ariel, his music, or the cancellations, so appreciated the interview. I've never done FB or Twitter because when they came out the thought of not facing who was visiting / following / hating me, or who I was visiting / following / hating couldn't be trusted. So I miss a lot, but I can't be cancelled from a game I don't play. I don't care what someone's views or words are as long as they don't hurt me. Free not to listen / agree / purchase at will. I don't ever want to have a godlike power to harm someone the way Ariel has been harmed.
Exactly! My culture doesn’t cancel. People have blurred the lines between social media and reality. Live your life surrounded by people who can’t ‘cancel’ you. If you live by the social media sword…
KK, how could you ask him who ‘they’ are five minutes after mentioning the Twitter issues? One of the the great aspects of your show had been your willingness to discuss topics that you’re not supposed to. Don’t go Sam Harris on us, now.
This was unlike any Triggernometry interview I've seen, and IMO maybe the most poignant and interesting. Two tragedies intertwined and jumbled together, Ariel Pink's personal suffering and the global unraveling of civilization.
@Golden Vulture lol. Yeah I'm going to listen to golden vulture instead of EVERY SINGLE IMPORTANT AND INTERESTING AND SMART GUY THAT I LOVE EVER. You have to be a real modern dweeb to not realize God is real.
One of the few geniuses of popular music of the last twenty odd years. Naturally he goes against the grain. Most acclaimed musicians are lunatics, cowards, or poseurs, or all three. Who's the OTHER great genius of the era...? Ahem
I'm so fed up with these same tired old arguments that people use to justify their belief that a "conspiracy" can't happen. The leaders of the world, the CEOs of the biggest companies meet at least once a year publicly, brought together by the likes of the WEF and Davos group. Then, after these meetings, they all implement the exact same rules, regulations, and procedures, all fueled by the exact same ideology, and I'm supposed to believe that's a coincidence? When we're talking about the masses, yes it's groupthink, but when we're talking about the global elite it's entirely deliberate. They might not have a step by step plan, but they sure as hell have the same goals. This is all out in the open, you can read their plans on their own websites. It's just mind boggling how in the face of overwhelming evidence people make these same old arguments, probably in an attempt to avoid the stigma of being called a conspiracy theorist.
I've listened to several dozen of their interviews. They _are_ listening. I don't know Andrew at all, but there's a reason they aren't understanding him. He's not making a ton of sense. He rambles, often contradicting things - which the hosts pick up on and ask about. They're great interviewers.
@@corsairsofnarshaddaa i agree on that.Ariel comes out as a person who hints at conspiracies which i would have never expected from him. in any case, for me. it's a shame that the girl who used to be friends with him wrote those damning things about that day
I only discovered Ariel from TAFS. I am on my way to becoming a fan as he has a real passion for music and has a great knowledge of different genres. Round and Round is stuck in my head ...
Well said ..I think often most people lack the tools to move forward and spiral down by holding onto their thoughts. One way of tackling this is to look up Byron Katie worksheets ( free) and do them honestly and religiously ….then anyone can become empowered, whatever is going on around them. Yes it was hard and despicable what happened to Ariel, but actually he doesn’t have to suffer. Meditation with a good teacher is also so helpful…now many online ( best are free ) . Without the tools, people often spiral down, fixating on what happened, their beliefs etc …I see this is what happened to Harry and Meghan…I hate what they did but see they don’t have the tools and unless they get the right help, they will really end up going insane …like Ariel will ( of course Ariel did nothing wrong and is very likeable and will hopefully get a lot of support).
I can very much relate to Ariel's story. I've been involved in my local music scene and it has been terrifying to watch the radicalization of the arts into Ultra Woke Leftwing radicalism that sees support for Trump, in any capacity, as the Ultimate Enemy of all that they hold sacred. If only they realized that without free speech or a halfway decent economy they won't exist... I also expressed some views my local arts scene didn't agree with (being vaccine skeptical) and several "friends" tried to disparage me on Facebook and started to ignore me when I was in public. Some people did express support and solidarity quietly and presumably under the condition of silence... which in of itself was eye-opening. We need more people who aren't afraid to speak the truth. I tell myself I need to get out there and tell more truth in the music scene and everywhere else for that matter. If we don't stand up for what we believe in, we will lose everything to this quickly-spreading insanity!
He's having to deal with a lot of nuance that people don't normally have to articulate. Also he's an authentic person and he's actually attempting to answer their questions honestly and completely, most people have either been coached or they know the questions in advance.
@@zzzaaayyynnn I think a lot of people are starting to understand and some ppl, ek hem... Are trying to double down on this idea, "well that doesn't mean anything was planned, that's just how people are." Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.. He said it clearly, "It's not organic" and he's correct. In the mid 90s to the 2000s is when the underground subcultures of indie, punk and metal got nearly fully appropriated into the corporate thought police system. The internet was fundamental to this happening. Because of the internet we all live and work in the same office now. When you get a memo, you fall in line, or else!... I'd say Clinton deregulating FM radio was a major shift pre internet. Many independent music labels were bought by the majors and continued to operate under the same "store front". So now people don't create culture, culture creates people. The organic (by the people, for the people) youth culture all got swooped up into the mass media's orange man bad syndrome. Nothing unites people like a common enemy. Artists like Ariel, they get accepted by the scene, but they didn't come from the scene, and they aren't part of the scene. He kept his head above water while everyone else was busy fitting in and getting programed. That's why they made a concentrated effort to take him out. Nearly no spiritual and/or cultural movement has been without music because it unites hearts and minds. Control the music, control the people, and it has ALWAYS been this way. When art and music slide downhill, the rest of civilization will follow. Its a lot to unpack, lol..
Apropos Westboro Baptist Church... one of their daughters turned her back on the family because she had discussions on Twitter & realized how wrong she was. It's a great example for the necessity & value of Free Speech.
Also the idea that they just say what they say so they can make people retaliate and sue them is wrong. Shirley used to go on a radio show I listened to and she has given up protests in order to have air time unedited on the show. So they really do believe what they're saying, they don't just do it to make money.
This is off-topic but I can't resist -- your dog is so adorable! Westie? My dog is white too, and in summer she gets so muddy rolling in the garden, lol! But she keeps the rabbits away.
Omg this was fruatrating. KK you were so off on this one. Elon Musk is literally right now proving there are board rooms all over the place ploting against specific people. You were just dead set on making this guy look crazy. Worst interview you guys have done.
They tend to push back on their guests regardless of their views. The fact that you view this as a detestable attack instead of a healthy challenge is telling. You're as emotional & illogical as those you likely despise on the left.
@@bbbbbbb51 I watch all their interviews. This was KK playing psychologist and not taking time to fully flesh out what he was saying. This is the only interview of their's I've noticed this. No emotions needed it was legit criticism.
One thing I hear a lot is that "you have freedom of speech, but not freedom from consequences". But consequences are exactly how people control speech. No one should lose their career over how they voted, and it reflects the echo chamber people in this industry live in
We also have freedom of association. That's why freedom of speech has consequences. Your employer (or record label) might not want to associate with you.
@@sallydeb His label engaged in political discrimination- just like religious discrimination, it is not an acceptable justification for discriminating against someone in the US. They had no problem with him until J6, which means they weren’t discriminatory until the mob outrage “forced their hand” I.E., they allowed themselves to become discriminatory out of fear- that’s not an acceptable reason by law, it can be strongly argued. Would it be acceptable to drop a Muslim from a record label because they were in Saudi Arabia during the stoning of a woman to death? Or because they were in Afghanistan during these recent executions of citizens carried out by the govt for protesting? Should they be dropped just because they are also Muslim, like the Afghan govt? Why should random people be persecuted and punished for the actions of other people simply because they have similar beliefs?
Yes. This is the tricky distinction: certain things people say will have legally acceptable consequences (like if it can be *causally linked* to a stampede or something), but *why* is political speech having consequences? Political speech is protected under the 1st amendment, Just like speaking religious beliefs- the right to preach in church whatever your religious beliefs are regardless of how insane others might find them is *protected from discriminatory punishment* .This means employers, businesses etc cannot discriminate against you because you believe that or because your religion or politics “*associates*” you with someone else of that belief. It’s very underhanded how some people are now trying to use this slight of hand to say political beliefs, which are protected, should be discriminated against in the workplace, or by businesses- both of those are illegal- even if it’s only because someone shares the beliefs with someone who did something illegal. This case is *especially* despicable because it’s not something Ariel said or did *himself* that is the supposed reason for discriminating against him.
I discovered Ariel pink at ATP festival in 2010 and saw him a year later in london. I am sorry to hear he has been under so much fire. His music is like a child frank Zappa and David Bowie would have had
Even in the UK Trump supporters get judged and shunned. People feel free to bad mouth Trump with impunity, yet if anyone dares say anything positive about Trump then the Trump hater is massively offended and then they attack or shun that person. But President Trump was one of the best presidents that the USA has ever had.
I knew I loved this MAN not just the artist. I'm also a very strange artist and love Donald Trump and America. God bless my brother, Ariel! Genius musician.
I appreciated Ariel's more poetic ode to the people who "stand straight backed against the wind of change" (quoting from memory) - but obviously that tendency towards metaphorical expression worked against him when talking about "they". In as much as I already enjoy triggernometry, I expect Konstantin will probably learn a lot from this interview and will do better in the future. I'm certainly looking forward to any post-twitter files content getting released.
KK, just like you realize that people are tribal and hive minded so do powerful elites that will take advantage of that fact & plan accordingly... its not far fetched
Saying that you love Westborough is a big deal. It's a big deal to tell people they're going to hell. It's not just words. It's spreading the cruelest idea out there.
As a recovering opiod addict (7yrs clean) this was difficult to watch. Ariel is obviously struggling to articulate his thoughts here. He seems a very intelligent and sweet man and it breaks my heart what this world has done to him.
Konstantin came off as kinda biased here; all that Ariel said was that a class of people can "manifest a reality" by thinking the same thing. Not controversial. Not conspiratorial. Then he gets grilled for ages about being a conspiracy theorist, as if someone is sitting around a table, planning this stuff. That is not what Ariel said at any point.
This was one of those times that a guest broke KK's brain. It's quite painful to listen to the Realist mindset confronting something it can't put in a neat little box with a label on it. This guy needs to talk to, what was, Rebel Wisdom. It would be a far more productive conversation. They'd bring up Egregores in the first 5 minutes and then they'd be off. But you did your best.
WATCH exclusive bonus content where *Ariel* answers audience questions.
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
06:01 Ariel’s Consequences for Attending a Peaceful Protest
15:46 Reactions from Ariel’s Record Label & Friends
30:26 Why You Can’t Support Trump in Hollywood
34:04 Are Artists in Hollywood Enslaved?
40:45 Why Ariel Supported Trump
52:33 Are the Public Being Manipulated?
1:06:15 The Elitist Agenda of a New Way of Life
1:17:24 Is Ariel Influenced by his Location & Industry?
1:31:57 Lamenting the America that No Longer Exists
1:40:59 What's the One Thing We’re Not Talking About?
Why'd you treat this guy so badly?
@@Rick_Cleland - honestly, I think they're in denial. They know there are such things as Think Tanks. They know there are such things as Central Banks. They know the very wealthy own the majority -- if not all -- the technology that supports the modern world. So why do they keep pretending they don't? My only guess: cognitive dissonance, i.e. denial.
@@MindlessTurtle 🤔🤔🤔
44:50 no, KK, the court DID NOT find that against AJ, the court issued a default judgement and AJ was never permitted to argue the merits on his case. The court simply declared that AJ wasn't supplying all the documents he was supposed to, despite supplying tens of thousands of them. AJ was totally railroaded. You can't even say the trial was a sham, *_because there literally was no trial_* except to calculate the damages that they assumed he was guilty of causing.
Ariel Pink Did Nothing Wrong
He was a homophobic racist whose record company didnt want to do business with someone like that shit for brains cry
I’ll never forgive them for what they did to him. He’s an incredible artist.
Their loss is our gain 👍
Incredibly bad, you mean? Here's man with problems.
@@yinoveryang4246 no one cares for your salty and effeminate little take.
@@yinoveryang4246 Not everyone has the gift of taste lol. All your favorite artists and painters have done atrocious things and had horrible beliefs. You should take nothing at face value.
Oh shut up goofy
the true genius of ariel is his ability to replicate many different styles of music from different eras and decades, then puts his own unique spin on things. one song may sound like a pop hit from the 60s and then another sounds like some weird futuristic 80s new wave song, then back to a black sabbath-esque rock tune. his recording technique is also a lot of his style and his appeal “lo-fi” he does an excellent job at making music that sounds so familiar yet so totally different. ariel is one of the most important artists of our time and its terrible whats happened to him but i have much more respect for him now then i ever did before
I think he was right in his assessment of what people were thinking of him though. I think the drugs have gone to his head too. But the same could be said about many geniuses including j spaceman, Lou Reed, or Shane McGowan and on and on
amen!
I agree!
Pink's an artist who continues to throw curves with each release. More people need to dig deep and discover his work. He's an innovative artist.
Man I first heard Ariel Pink when I was 16 in 2005 or so… this guy has been a trailblazer in underground indie rock. EVERYONE liked him, everyone was stoked when he released new content. He had similar fan bases to groups like animal collective and deerhunter.
I knew there would be hate against him for attending the rally, but I had no idea labels would drop him and try to erase him and make him broke.
We love you Ariel, Pom Pom is one of the greatest albums of all time.
Ariel is a genius. His tracks are from another world.
He obviously isn't a genius. No genius would have been into Trump.
@@Absorbvids Kanye is another genius despite what you think of his views.
He wasn't smart enough to realize his fans aren't the biggest Trump supporters
@@thisaccountkillsfascists3802 doesn't take away from his musical genius.
I'm talking about his music.
@@SpaceZeee Kayne just took from underground artist, he was far from a genius .
I haven't suffered publicly like this man, but I can relate to him deeply. Amazing interview!!!
He's all of us
Two propagandists against USSR
Aww he made racist homophobic rants and he got dropped by his record label what a martyr 😅😅😅 cry me a river
@@subsamadhi You're hallucinating a rant / rants that never happened. Find me one quote to prove me wrong.
@prodajie google is free shit for brains. He is publically against lgbt marriage. .
One of the big indie labels need to step up above the woke BS and sign Ariel to another record deal. He's one of the most creative musicians alive, nobody can do what he does. As a musician it's sad to see these labels whom I support treat their artists so poorly because of their personal beliefs. Ariel could release his own music without a label and there are still many fans who support his work.
we all know it's not just the labels,Media ,institutions and there are plenty American citizens who are complicite in seeing anyone with the wrong opinion ostracised and shamed, it doesn't help when they are basically teaching this type of left wing intolerance in universities, nothing will change until that is dealt with
Looking at you Tim Pool the Dim Fool.
Do artists even want record label deals anymore? I'd guess the bigger problem is shadow banning and algorithm manipulation by the streaming platforms that limits ad revenue, merch sales and the exposure needed to book tour dates
you have literal nazis in your country trying to reinstate a whites only state, and you still think some "wokes" are the problem. America is seriously fucked.
@@kirschkäfer this is the funniest comment ever if it wasn't an indication of how crazy the Left have gone, that is a total insult to the people who died under the nazis, we have an ever more authoritarian Democrat party that has just been caught influencing elections with the FBI and twitter, that is the real fascists
I’ve loved Ariel Pink’s music since around 2010. He’s still a favorite and on repeat on several of my playlists. After this interview, I dig him even more.
It's outrageous how this poor dude has been treated. Mexican Summer wanna hang their heads in shame. Even his mates jibbed him off. He's better off without "mates" like that. I hope everything comes good for him. His new music is great.
Been a fan of Ariel Pink since 2010. Back then I considered myself a leftist and tbh I think even Ariel would have also. We were fed up of politicians. We, (I assume for Ariel also) thought Obama would actually change that. He didn't. He made it even worse. Then a non-politician comes around, ego aside, started telling things like it was....Now lefties like Ariel, John Maus, me, are now Nazis........kay....guess we're not lefties anymore.
This is just another psychic epidemic humans are always prone to. They think trump, a man flagrantly in the public eye for 4 decades, on God knows how many reality shows, a supporter of Clinton Inc, was all this time LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER. Yup - mass psychosis...
Bingo!
Of course you are a Nazi!!!
I couldn't agree more with your comments! If you have a chance watch the Munk Debates on RUclips with Matt Taibbi, Douglas Murray vs Malcolm Gladwell and some NY Times chick. Gladwell insinuates that because Taibbi respects old reporting of the 60'and 70's that Taibbi must be a racist. Disgusting
Ariel never paid any attention to politics until Trump came along and the pitchfork crowd started turning on him. I think he sees himself in Trump and that they are both victims of the media.
@@simonzoric Ariel made the mistake of thinking he could be a free thinker. As a MAJOR somewhat shielded critical darling, he didn't understand how vicious the Woke crowd, his base, was becoming. I think he's still shocked by the reality of what the world has become.
I appreciate the questions, but the guest is trying to put words to something that we don't understand and a lot of what he is expressing is really complicated and on the cusp of truth. Something nefarious is going on and we don't know how to understand it and protect ourselves from it.
I think a lot of that comes from the fact that we have thrown out most of our language that deals with the spiritual world, and assumed that all of that is completely bogus, when it’s not.
@@whatshisface04 yes that's true? And some are better at getting the words to match the story. You could tell he was having a hard time with that. But credit due, he was working really hard at it 🙂
@@EBM4545 Agreed, he did the best he could with what he knows. I enjoyed the interview, because you could tell Ariel was trying to explain something more than just, “Yeah, it’s a group of evil dudes in a room controlling everything.”
@@whatshisface04 maybe the fact he is talented and folks appreciate what he does on the music front will protect him enough to developed and understand better what he and many are going through, both on the public and private level. I am praying he can withstand this onslot and find folks like you and I, but on a level that can help with that development. I expect to see some serious hitters reach out to him who are on the truthful side.
@@EBM4545 Amen! I know it’s probably a pipe-dream, but I keep hoping that one day I’ll see Jonathan Pageau pop-up on here as a guest on Triggernometry.
Oh my God I had no idea this had happened to Ariel Pink - presumably due to the lack of reporting that often goes along with someone being cancelled. Ariel Pink is an absolute genius, and comes across as a truly nice guy here too. Thanks for reporting on this Trigs
One of your best guests ever. A great guy who knows the horror that is coming down the line, and wants to do something about it.
He lost his career for being an openly homophobic racist douche bag and he lost his record deal which is absolutely the companys right to not do business with cancer like that you fucking idiot
This poor man’s story is the fruit of Progressivism. It’s pure evil to cancel someone for having an opinion contrary to those in power.
But don’t forget, these “Progressives” are just “being kind”….
He didnt get cancelled dipshit he went out of his way to alienate his fans by saying hateful racist homophobic things.
It wasn't his opinion that did this to him. It was trying to overthrow the government that did
@@cameinyourface1351 he was saying dumbass things several years ago that got him plenty of flak. He first started out saying weird ass creepy things about women a long time ago. He was already hated in the indie rock world going wayyy back. Then he started in with his racist homophobic bullshit and thats when his record label dropped him. He went out of his way to ruin his own career. Fuck him.
@@subsamadhi oh wow you people really are stupid. How about some reading comprehension for you
Thank you for introducing me to Ariel. I now am a fan. If not for the art form, at least as a human!!!!
Listen to Scared Famous/FF>> it’s arguably his best album. Pop hits front to back
Ariel, I've loved your music since 2007ish and saw you live in Minneapolis, MN. Was super fun. I LOVED your comments in this interview. Keep strong, brother. I'll be supporting your music.
Konstantin's going after "they" is heavy-handed. 1. "They" are in a sense an emergent phenomenon, like life. Try to find it in the body and you'll find nothing, just molecules. 2. Most of us were taken off guard by this mass psychosis, and many of us don't necessarily know how to articulate it, but they know something is wrong. One doesn't always know who "they" are specifically, just that there is a system there, like life.
Two propagandists against USSR
Some people have taken the Trump/Hitler comparisons too seriously without realizing that the problem isn't "who" the problem is "do you have any evidence to back your beliefs".
In 2012, Ariel in an interview said "everyone I know is claiming to be bisexual or trans." He has always been ahead of the curve. Ariel is saying we are being forced to be "tribal" and that it's not natural. Because of KK's childhood and background, he's behind the curve in terms of vision. Ariel is crazy and insightful, and insightful because he's crazy, and going crazy because he's insightful.
On the contrary. Tribal, is the natural modus operandi of vast majority of human beings. Yearning to belong to any group is tribalism. The more of a mindset "my (insert group identity here) right or wrong," the more tribal you are. Having never had such mentality, and seeing it all around me, I call this place planet of the apes.
@@raifthemad I would agree with you. I'm very tribal. To a fault. Most of us are. Ariel just doesn't like that fact. And there is a sense in which it leads to genocide. Often.
@@raifthemad I try to overcome my tribalism, but then I also tend to FETISHIZE it.
@@zzzaaayyynnn Oh I despise the tribalism as well. Planet of the apes is not a praise. And of course the worst atrocities are perpetrated by empathic tribal people. As soon as someone gets designated as enemy of the tribe, the amount of nastiness the apes within that tribe are capable of never ceases to appall me.
@@raifthemad and we are at core just hairless apes...
This blows my mind that there is such hate for a man who did great things for our country and didn’t start any wars.
Mass formation psychosis
What great things? Billions to billionaires? Did not build a wall? Did not pass infrastructure bill despite CONSTANT promises? Less jobs than Obama? Never producing a policy to replace Obama care beyond destroying it? Theft of classified documents? Undermining faith in American democracy, on the basis of zero evidence? Filling his own pockets with millions of dollars sent to him by rubes who thought it would be used to fund the legal case against the election? The trade war with China that screwed US businesses so billions of tax payers money was needed to subsidise them against the losses? The list is very long.
It’s a psyop
@@smelltheglove2038 I agree. I think it is all social engineering from the top down. I don't know exactly what their end goal is, but they are simply fucking with everyone through this scripted live show.
It's insanity.
KK: "We can't even get a show out on time, how is it possible for anyone to be so clever as to have a grand plan."
Do you think Bill Gates is the largest owner of farmland in the US because he likes chewing on straw?
Do you think CBDCs are just about convenience?
Maybe you just think nobody could be simultaneously more intelligent *and* nefarious than you?
Just pulled the trigger on 3 vinyls that I've been meaning to buy. Thanks Ariel!
A guy who made albums like Before Today, Mature Themes, Pom Pom and Dedicated to Bobby Jameson, yet still gets cancelled just shows the true colours of the mob. This is not left v right. this is real v fake.
@@josephblowseph6123 When life becomes so comfortable, people subconsciously yearn for something to rebel against. Left or right. Anyone reading this right now in the West has been living in paradise. I don't buy the current narrative of 'oppression'
When people who never worked an honest day's pay in their life, come out, wearing clothes more expensive than I can afford, after watching TV that I can't afford, filming on phones I can't afford and tell me to my face that I have oppressed them, I cannot accept it. But the same is true of the right too, or at least it has been in the recent past. (Religion BTW, thats the one thing, at least in USA thats holding Republicans back from earning more support, despite the fact their founding fathers implicitly denounced organised religion).
Notice that all this BS happens in the most free, most prosperous nations. Try asking an Ukrainian about third wave feminism. Ask a Yemeni about pronouns. Ask a Venezuelan about socialism. When the shit hits the fan, the only thing that matters is the truth. We are animals. We are primates. It is in our BLOOD to fight. When you live in paradise, who you going to fight? Better think what got us to paradise instead of trying to destroy it.
it is getting to be pretty blatant good vs evil with how far the left goes. obviously the right can be just as evil, but generally this trend toward communism and the marxist tactics at hand with gender identity and all that crap, it is 100% pure evil and if you aren't aware of it, just look up John Money.
This was super interesting but a little difficult to watch. It felt like Ariel and the Triggermometry cast were effectively saying the same thing but were talking past each other. Ariel's point was that it is the will of a certain group of people with a certain mindset that is dictating public disclose, but the Triggermometry cast viewed his emphasis on there being a "group of people" and calling them "they" as a claim about a maniacal, coordinated cabal planning to rule the world.
Groupthink in practice looks like autonomous individuals spontaneously developing a perspective, gravitating towards people with that shared perspective, discussing their shared vision, and those individuals going out into the world to make their vision a reality. People with power and influence with a shared perspective will move the world in a certain direction and when they all meet in a room and outsiders learn of it and those outsiders dont emphasize how spontaneous that meeting was, it will sound like they are describing a cabal. It seemed pretty clear he didn't believed in a cabal once he said "by they, I mean us" but his point was not understood so the conversation became circular.
"You will own nothing and be happy"
Bill Gates owns the most farmland in the US.
CDBCs are just around the corner, along with all the control over individuals that a malevolent government could wield.
All the insanity of the last 2 years....
It's as if they need literal faces to understand that the powerful have control, and love to throw it around. It should be shocking to nobody, but saying the word "they" is the problem, according to KK...
Myopic.
I feel mostly the same way. Also, I think many people are averse to the idea that a group of people want to rule the world because of the stigma that goes along with “conspiracies”. But I think it would have been useful for trigonometry to accept that groups of people have always wanted to rule the world. It’s naturally in powerful peoples interest to maintain and expand the framework from which their power is derived.
you're making stuff up, i watched 50 minutes and theres no talk about global cabal, also these guys are talking about establishment, which are democrats(socialists)
@@damazywlodarczyk don't know the timestamp, but that definitely came up. KK brought it up.
@@S3NTRY so what? there's no issue, it wasn't difficult to watch, both parties are in agreement, op is making fuss
Ariel’s music is awesome and I will never stop listening to it. Lipstick and Feels Like Heaven are two all time great songs.
@LM Bas LOVE this song too!
Love these songs and Ariel's music in general.
And 'Dayzed Inn Daydreams' and 'Picture Me Gone' and 'Dedicated to Bobby Jameson' and 'Another Weekend'.. so many great songs....
Young Pilots Astray
And that collaboration with Jorge, “No Real Friend”, being my favorite of these 2 and “Hang on to Life” are such awesome beautiful songs. “Put your number in my phone”, White Freckles”, Kitchen Witch”, “Round and Round”,”Only in my Dreams”, “Alisa”,”Menopause Man”, “Crybaby”,” I Wanna Be Young”,”Interesting Results”, all the song mentioned above comments…..I could go on and on and on and on and on. Love you Ariel and always will
KK repetitively harangues Pink with the question "Yes, yesy, but, who are 'THEY'"? to which Pink replies each time, "its 'US... all of us but some are *following a principle* that is willing, *individual by individual* , our destruction (paraphrase)"
and KK is not satisfied with what is a logical and rather sophisticated response to KK's inference instead that Pink believes in a masterminded conspiracy...
What's galling is that KK himself at 1:12:00 refers to "those people" when talking about the moral code that Trump was opposed to, which Pink (who is no silver tongue unfortunately, failing to emphasise that these threatening motives are based different values/principles) identifies parsimoniously and sufficiently succinctly as "globalists". But KK is never satisfied with Pink's sound responses that point to "they" as "those OF US whose principles are globalist/woke and are against USA/West/(Christian values) in a war for cultural hegemony etc".
KK keeps pushing to characterise Pink's position as conspiratorial - see 1:29:00 to 1:31:30 - What do you think KK is up to with this stubborn and fruitless questioning?
I really annoys me how much he refuses to even consider the possibility of a handful of powerful people conspiring for a common goal… simply because Anton messes the audio at the start of every Raw??
Ariel should put out his music as an independent like Tom McDonald. I appreciate him for standing up and thinking for himself. So sorry for his situation. I agree with Ariel, there is nothing organic about this movement.
He does.
Who tf is Tom Mcdonald? Hahaha poor ariel
Well, after the latest twitter information release it should be clear that there is a 'back room with a round table' where people make decisons who is canceled, shadow banned, supressed and so on... The room could be virtual though ;)
Seems like we just need a list of names now for lawsuits and other.
Seriously!! Yeah, KK, there is a group of people shutting down voices… that comment didn’t age well. I know this was filmed before the Twitter release.
@@ShifuCareaga Trials for treason, convictions, long prison sentences, and public executions.
@@Birdracer22 works for me
Ariel is too spiritually minded for them to understand him.
Yeah like way out there with no evidence.
@triggernometry, are you going to come out with a correction on your opinion about there not being people in boardrooms who are choosing who to go after now that the Twitter files have been released?
Exactly what I was thinking.
Yep… the stuck-up denial of all conspiracies simply because he (KK) has seen no evidence thereof is getting old
@@RicardoRocha-lg1xoDon’t you want proof that something is true and not just something someone told you.
Ariel made the musically boring 00s brilliant with his albums House Arrest, The Doldrums, Sacred Famous, FF>>, Lover Boy and Worn Copy. Then he got semi-famous in 2010 with the Before Today album. When he performed a fantastic rendition of "Round & Round" on Fallon I thought he was gonna be as big as Nirvana. Didn't quite happen but he did a couple more brilliant LPs Mature Themes & Pom Pom. He was always a bit of a provocative contrarian in the mould of Johnny Rotten, Mark E Smith, Morrissey etc. so he wasn't going to appeal to everyone. He wound up a lot of people so when those haters found they had a useable weapon to destroy him they used it with full force.
I don't have to personally like or agree with musicians I admire. I didn't know if I was going to want to hear what he had to say but I think he did really well and this talk has actually endeared me further to him. Let's hope he's top of the charts in 2023.
Fantastic point, like yourself, I absolutely love The Fall and Ariel Pink. Two very different styles and sounds, but identical attitudes.
Never drew comparisons to Mark E. Smith, but I totally see it.
I don’t think he’s going to keep trying to do music anymore. He might’ve ran out of juice.
This was a weird interview for these guys. Normally they would be on his side but it was like they were attacking him. I’m confused. Because the things that Ariel was talking about are the things that they talk about all the time.
I think they agree on the symptoms but not the cause. Pink thinks its a big conspiracy and KK chalks it down to ignorance and mudied culture
I don’t see it as an attack. Challenging someone’s ideas allows that person to express more fully what they believe. Sitting there nodding in agreement doesn’t allow others like myself who know nothing about this guy, to understand what he is trying to convey since he is being asked to precisely explain why he thinks what he thinks.
Maybe because he liked Trump? People are so triggered by that.
@@juliemaizels442
Yeah, but these guys are pretty red pilled. They recognize that Trump did do some good things. If you watch other interviews with them and I have watched a lot it’s a great podcast and normally they don’t act that way when they talk to someone coming from the right or that’s red pilled. That’s why it was so weird.
@@cherryislandhope
Lol no but nice try
There are those people out there, but they are the main stream people they are people in the media, etc. not independent people. This controlled opposition thing has become a ridiculous meme. The reality is everyone is controlled. There are rules there are laws there are guidelines community standards, etc. so to certain degree everyone is controlled except for the ultra ultra elite. People like Jeffrey Epstein. But even they go down sooner or later. At least we can hope we get most of them in time!
Ariel Pink is one of the most talented artist of our time. I'm listening to him since 2010, and for sure, I'll still continue to listening his music forever. It's a shame what happened to him because he did nothing ! Ariel, don't let those stupid people break you down. Never !
"They" is a bunch of people with general interest who come together to achieve a common goal. Its not rocket science or tin foil hat stuff. It happens at every level of society. People conspire all the time. Two host both agreed that humans are "tribal" , if that is the case "tribes" also exist at every level, from poor, to rich, from towns folk, to government, big tech etc.
Exactly. And to say nothing was accomplished in the past well as a Jew I'm surprised at KK.
Makes you wonder what KK's true intentions are... he isn't ignorant.
Who do you think is forcing Dutch farmers to sell their farms? Dutch farmers are the 2nd largest world food producers.
Songs like Lipstick, Menopause Man, Fright Night, Live it Up, Not Enough Violence, Kitchen Witch, Black Ballerina etc etc, etc. These are songs which i loved. After I heard about what happened to Ariel (and John Maus), I realised I loved these even more. This guy is the modern day Johnny Rotten. Also check out John Maus btw.
Can I get his records without supporting the label?
@@smelltheglove2038 Spotify. I recommend Before Today to start with.
@@donathandorko doesn’t that go to the record company? I’m probably going to go sail the seas, and hopefully support him by going to see a show, whenever that happens.
@@smelltheglove2038 you can pirate them
@@smelltheglove2038 apparently it goes both ways as Ariel got back the rights to his songs. So Spotify it is split between label and himself and if you subscribe to his substack it all goes to him.
Ariel Pink is the last person I expected to see on Triggernometry. I'm someone who hates almost all music released in past twenty years but he's one of the few modern artists I truly like. A real breath of fresh air. I had no idea about his politics (nor did I care) but seeing this interview I like him even more.
What Ariel is trying g to get across to KK is anyone who is vocally supportive of Trump, in America, is attacked and defamed. This is the first time I've witnessed KK to be so dense, so bullheaded.
Always enjoyed Ariel's music. Also, it annoys the fuck out of me when people make all these tired old points against the idea a "conspiracy" could happen. How can they keep it a secret? It's not a secret, we're talking about it. No one is that competent. We went to the fucking moon, we built huge cities, social engineering is not something so complicated it's unfeasible. Who are "they"? The WEF, Davos, anyone who runs a large bank, etc. The global elite that everyone always talks about. It is beyond obvious that there's a group of people essentially trying to control the world. It seems like people make these tired points to come off like a serious intellectual that doesn't believe in "nonsense", and to protect themselves from social stigma. Despite the overwhelming amount of evidence, they still make these arguments. It's exactly the same thing that used to/does happen with UFOs.
Exactly. If you talk to any actual person on the street, most of them will tell you that they believe that a group of elites are conspiring behind the scenes in order to maintain/increase their power. Depending upon your political inclinations, it might be the white patriarchy, the globalists, Blackrock, a satanic cabal, the military-industrial complex, (the Jews if you’re Ye), etc…
We disagree on the specifics, but everyone can feel the yoke, as it were…
Spot on! It's also interesting to go to Wikipedia on the guys that run the wef davos etc and look at the early life section. 😀
Seriously, you'd think the host was from another planet and never heard of central banks or Israel.
yeah Ariel is completely right. Triggernomatry are still scared. they still dislike trump as said in this episode. ive noticed alot of people formerly on the left can't fully accept that they were wrong about trump and want to deny whats really going on
Like, I have to agree with this guy that brits really don't understand what it's like to be a thought criminal in woke-holds in the us. Our countries are similar enough that it's easy to assume we're the same. I believe it's very different based on the continuous lack of a precise understanding expressed by brits I follow. It actually helps me to see Ariel get agitated by this; I feel that!
But how does it happen? We technically have more legal protections than the UK because of our Bill of Rights. I mean, I know a lawsuit is super expensive, but at least it's a tool in the belt that we have over any of the European places.
@@amyb.6368 Social pressures. Most people lack courage & an identity that isn't rooted in those around them.
In Britain you can literally be arrested by the police for posting an "offensive" tweet
@@amyb.6368 That's the point, once you get past one lawsuit, they'll just do it again and again... You'll run out of money before they do.
I disagree. Its just as bad here. Winston had to leave Mumford & Sons because he said he like a book. In U.K. the Arts and Culture seem to be totally captured by a narrative.
Dude I love Ariel Pink. People will remember after the dust settles.
Ariel Pink is/was one of the most brilliant indie music artists -- if not THE most brilliant indie artist -- of the 21st century. I used his singles and videos in my university lectures for years. He's underrating his importance here. What happened to Ariel is his personal tragedy and has been a great loss to music. He must be vindicated!
Don't idolize people. It makes you weak.
@@ajb7786 I don't think you understand how you're misusing the word "idolize" here.
How is it a great loss? He's released at least three albums since his "cancellation"
@@marinablack181 well, he's off everyone's radar except for a handful of diehard fans...from hero to zero...
@@zzzaaayyynnnI prefer John Maus but Ariel is definitely the more prolific.
Where do we go to support this man and not his ex-label?
Probably Bandcamp.
His substack
he's on both, websearch is your friend
I don’t personally know who this guy is,he must be a decent chap to be on Trigg, But more importantly he comes across as really upset/disturbed by the way the population have treated him. I despise this woke cancel culture, diversity crap ! All the best pal, stay internally strong & when you can move on. I’ve got to add he’s damaged mentally by drug use now I’ve watched the full interview, I stand by my original statement, I only hope Aerial Clears his genuine mind
Eh... Destiny was on here so ...
I like this guy. I will probably support his music more now. That being said trigg has a TON of guests that are not decent. That is okay though because when they speak it bolsters why they aren't decent people. Luckily they have more decent people on than bad. About 60-40.
@@ShifuCareaga my point EXACTLY.
@@g3nj1 I would go 75/25 but maybe I am too nice
@@g3nj1 Sam Harris especially
Still listening to his music
KK can be so incredibly dense at times.
Well that is what I call an unexpected guest.
Nah. He was on Tucker feb after Jan 6
i think this guy is still VERY new in his Red Pill moments. He seems to have a glimps of the issues that are threatening American culture.
Yeah, he’s still sorta pink pill… 😀
Ok Alex jones 😂
Saw Ariel Pink live last week, he's the most wonderful performer and person ive ever connected with
wonderful people dont groom girls or abuse them like Ariel did
The guest was amazing. It's just sad the KK interviews like he is some sort of controller, talking over his guest and steering the narrative that is allowed to be delivered.
Yes,the idea that k said that it is all just from the ''Information age'' is bull. These guys know better than this. The woke,controlling of media, cancel culture, WEF, climate fear porn is real and planned. Never seen them push back like this.
It’s his job to play devil’s advocate. He didn’t talk over him or steer the narrative. You just don’t like his opinion.
@@bengold7942 You are right, I don't like his opinion, often. I feel he lacks deep insight and overlooks a lot of what is in his face. However, I can overlook any difference of opinion if he were to actually let his guest complete his thoughts. The guest wasn't cutting him off..
What's funny is I am in the Indie scene myself (this is my personal account not my music posting account) and I just finally bought one of his albums. I wanted to listen to it while I was working at home and searched it on youtube I saw the onslaught of the political nonsense. I had no idea it even happened and I love him more. #arielpink
Ariel Pink is a very welcome member of the club right here in the real world 🌎. We are so happy to welcome you, words cannot describe our joy at knowing we have you on our side. You are now part of our movement, we are of one mind ie.. to defeat the Matrix that is Woke Globalism (the new Communism)7 and create the next chapter of progress that involves traditional family values, Christian morals in a world were free speech reigns and censorship is exposed to the light of day.
That's going a bit far but you could be "right".
Never heard of this guy ….but I agree with everything he says
My new favourite comment about the times …..
“It seems odd” to everything
Are we awake yet🕊
I used to think Trump was a joke....another symptom of our "cult of personality". That is until I saw how much the "establishment" fears him...I gotta say it gives me pause.
He's a hero to me always was , forever will be, I support #Arielpink
Don’t forget all these Hollywood people liked Trump before he ran for office
And all the studio heads.
Exactly, they never proved he did anything illegal. None of his policy,s hurt the nation. KK is showing his TDS.
He never was one of these "Hollywood types" he's always been above that. Don't judge a book by it's cover.
I feel bad for him - both for what he went through and for this interview. He looks so stressed, not everyone can handle two trigger-level interviewers at the same time.
It’s only because Konstantin is acting like a total dipshit. “There aren’t people in a board deciding…”
Yes there absolutely fucking is.
Has KK not checked into the last 3 Twitter files drops from Elon? Musk PROVES it.
Has KK not seen Zucc on the Rogan show talking about the FBI’s “outreach”?
Peter Strzok? Lisa Paige? General Milley working against Trump during his presidency?
Kanye’s “trainer” threatening to drug him for life? The coordinated media attack on the Covington kids!? The coordinated media attack on Kyle Rittenhouse? Claiming the 2020 riots were “mostly peaceful” while demonizing grandmas being waived into the Capitol by police?
Is KK trying to be disingenuous or did he take a fall recently?
True.
He looks like the world has beaten him down and it's horrible
i agree sometimes i thought he could cry. One odd thing though. one of the first things he was saying he is not that into politics. But then he clearly is
Despite being a fellow Gen-X contrarian I'd never heard of Ariel, his music, or the cancellations, so appreciated the interview. I've never done FB or Twitter because when they came out the thought of not facing who was visiting / following / hating me, or who I was visiting / following / hating couldn't be trusted. So I miss a lot, but I can't be cancelled from a game I don't play.
I don't care what someone's views or words are as long as they don't hurt me. Free not to listen / agree / purchase at will. I don't ever want to have a godlike power to harm someone the way Ariel has been harmed.
Exactly! My culture doesn’t cancel. People have blurred the lines between social media and reality. Live your life surrounded by people who can’t ‘cancel’ you. If you live by the social media sword…
KK, how could you ask him who ‘they’ are five minutes after mentioning the Twitter issues?
One of the the great aspects of your show had been your willingness to discuss topics that you’re not supposed to.
Don’t go Sam Harris on us, now.
exactly
This was unlike any Triggernometry interview I've seen, and IMO maybe the most poignant and interesting. Two tragedies intertwined and jumbled together, Ariel Pink's personal suffering and the global unraveling of civilization.
Funny how at least at twitter, There WAS a room with a board !!!
1984 in real-time ! What a tragedy that such talented unique artists are attacked and silenced for thinking Freely.
May God give you the strength to keep going Ariel, great interview…
A deity is a myth aka a fantastic lie
@@SG-df9er What does nwo stand for?
@Golden Vulture lol. Yeah I'm going to listen to golden vulture instead of EVERY SINGLE IMPORTANT AND INTERESTING AND SMART GUY THAT I LOVE EVER. You have to be a real modern dweeb to not realize God is real.
@@goldenvulture6818
And you are a myth. You do not exist. Welcome to the fantastic lie. The NWO!
One of the few geniuses of popular music of the last twenty odd years. Naturally he goes against the grain. Most acclaimed musicians are lunatics, cowards, or poseurs, or all three. Who's the OTHER great genius of the era...? Ahem
Ariel says "metaphor board in a room"
Kk "a literal board in a room!"
100%
I'm so fed up with these same tired old arguments that people use to justify their belief that a "conspiracy" can't happen. The leaders of the world, the CEOs of the biggest companies meet at least once a year publicly, brought together by the likes of the WEF and Davos group. Then, after these meetings, they all implement the exact same rules, regulations, and procedures, all fueled by the exact same ideology, and I'm supposed to believe that's a coincidence? When we're talking about the masses, yes it's groupthink, but when we're talking about the global elite it's entirely deliberate. They might not have a step by step plan, but they sure as hell have the same goals. This is all out in the open, you can read their plans on their own websites. It's just mind boggling how in the face of overwhelming evidence people make these same old arguments, probably in an attempt to avoid the stigma of being called a conspiracy theorist.
For heaven sakes, what does Kk think goes on at Davos?
Kitten stompin
protect this man at all costs
I've been a fan of Ariel Pink for years, sad but not surprised to find out he was slandered by the party.
I'll buy every music project Ariel releases, and if I'm lucky enough, see him live any chance I get.💗
A master lesson on how not to understand a guy who is being extremely clear in what he is saying.
it's because people who are from countries without free speech have a very poor understanding as to what free speech is
He is a crackpot conspiracy theorist.
Because they don’t really care about him or what he says. Just want to hear him talk their message
I've listened to several dozen of their interviews. They _are_ listening. I don't know Andrew at all, but there's a reason they aren't understanding him. He's not making a ton of sense. He rambles, often contradicting things - which the hosts pick up on and ask about. They're great interviewers.
@@corsairsofnarshaddaa i agree on that.Ariel comes out as a person who hints at conspiracies which i would have never expected from him. in any case, for me. it's a shame that the girl who used to be friends with him wrote those damning things about that day
Geez,trigger guys got triggered,by ariels truth! Just scared to see he is right.
Triggered? Disagreeing is being triggered? 😂😂
I only discovered Ariel from TAFS. I am on my way to becoming a fan as he has a real passion for music and has a great knowledge of different genres. Round and Round is stuck in my head ...
The “board in a room” metaphor went off really smoothly, I think 😂
But for real, great interview!
See my top comment regarding Twitter executive saying he was bored then what did.
Konstantin doesn’t like the idea of a “round table”.
"Let's do the impossible & turn back."
~~Ariel Pink in this interview
Grieve the losses but then move forward with renewed comfort in knowing who truly cares for you.
Well said ..I think often most people lack the tools to move forward and spiral down by holding onto their thoughts. One way of tackling this is to look up Byron Katie worksheets ( free) and do them honestly and religiously ….then anyone can become empowered, whatever is going on around them. Yes it was hard and despicable what happened to Ariel, but actually he doesn’t have to suffer. Meditation with a good teacher is also so helpful…now many online ( best are free ) . Without the tools, people often spiral down, fixating on what happened, their beliefs etc …I see this is what happened to Harry and Meghan…I hate what they did but see they don’t have the tools and unless they get the right help, they will really end up going insane …like Ariel will ( of course Ariel did nothing wrong and is very likeable and will hopefully get a lot of support).
I didn't know Ariel Pink was so based.
God bless him and god bless all of you.
🦊🙏
ummm…that’s kind of a weird comment, are you being facetious?
@@jonimoroni7475 not even a little!
@@cymbolic_space1832 well, OK then, he’s definitely justifiably and righteously based!
I can very much relate to Ariel's story. I've been involved in my local music scene and it has been terrifying to watch the radicalization of the arts into Ultra Woke Leftwing radicalism that sees support for Trump, in any capacity, as the Ultimate Enemy of all that they hold sacred.
If only they realized that without free speech or a halfway decent economy they won't exist... I also expressed some views my local arts scene didn't agree with (being vaccine skeptical) and several "friends" tried to disparage me on Facebook and started to ignore me when I was in public.
Some people did express support and solidarity quietly and presumably under the condition of silence... which in of itself was eye-opening. We need more people who aren't afraid to speak the truth. I tell myself I need to get out there and tell more truth in the music scene and everywhere else for that matter. If we don't stand up for what we believe in, we will lose everything to this quickly-spreading insanity!
Stay strong. Follow your own path.
I wish Ariel was more articulate. He makes so many good points but the way he expresses them is making them not clear.
Ariel was always a little "out there" -- I think he had a sort of breakdown.
Yes, very hard to follow.
He's having to deal with a lot of nuance that people don't normally have to articulate. Also he's an authentic person and he's actually attempting to answer their questions honestly and completely, most people have either been coached or they know the questions in advance.
@@thegreatsiberianitch He was too honest for the indie community that only began to want to hear THE MESSAGE.
@@zzzaaayyynnn I think a lot of people are starting to understand and some ppl, ek hem... Are trying to double down on this idea, "well that doesn't mean anything was planned, that's just how people are." Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.. He said it clearly, "It's not organic" and he's correct. In the mid 90s to the 2000s is when the underground subcultures of indie, punk and metal got nearly fully appropriated into the corporate thought police system. The internet was fundamental to this happening. Because of the internet we all live and work in the same office now. When you get a memo, you fall in line, or else!... I'd say Clinton deregulating FM radio was a major shift pre internet. Many independent music labels were bought by the majors and continued to operate under the same "store front". So now people don't create culture, culture creates people. The organic (by the people, for the people) youth culture all got swooped up into the mass media's orange man bad syndrome. Nothing unites people like a common enemy. Artists like Ariel, they get accepted by the scene, but they didn't come from the scene, and they aren't part of the scene. He kept his head above water while everyone else was busy fitting in and getting programed. That's why they made a concentrated effort to take him out. Nearly no spiritual and/or cultural movement has been without music because it unites hearts and minds. Control the music, control the people, and it has ALWAYS been this way. When art and music slide downhill, the rest of civilization will follow. Its a lot to unpack, lol..
I think he was canceled because of his sexual assault allegations. He should clear those up.
woo love Ariel. i always hoped his music would blow up in the UK
I love him and I’m from the UK
@Jules R RUclips.
Before Today is the best place to start. Incredible album
Apropos Westboro Baptist Church...
one of their daughters turned her back on the family because she had discussions on Twitter & realized how wrong she was.
It's a great example for the necessity & value of Free Speech.
Also the idea that they just say what they say so they can make people retaliate and sue them is wrong. Shirley used to go on a radio show I listened to and she has given up protests in order to have air time unedited on the show. So they really do believe what they're saying, they don't just do it to make money.
This is off-topic but I can't resist -- your dog is so adorable!
Westie?
My dog is white too, and in summer she gets so muddy rolling in the garden, lol! But she keeps the rabbits away.
She had discussions with a 'Son of Abraham' who hypnotized her like the snake hypnotized Eve.
@@calstonjew 😦😦😦
Omg this was fruatrating. KK you were so off on this one. Elon Musk is literally right now proving there are board rooms all over the place ploting against specific people. You were just dead set on making this guy look crazy. Worst interview you guys have done.
They tend to push back on their guests regardless of their views. The fact that you view this as a detestable attack instead of a healthy challenge is telling. You're as emotional & illogical as those you likely despise on the left.
@@bbbbbbb51 I watch all their interviews. This was KK playing psychologist and not taking time to fully flesh out what he was saying. This is the only interview of their's I've noticed this. No emotions needed it was legit criticism.
It's so good because Ariel pink made sure he was heard. I loved it.
One thing I hear a lot is that "you have freedom of speech, but not freedom from consequences". But consequences are exactly how people control speech. No one should lose their career over how they voted, and it reflects the echo chamber people in this industry live in
We also have freedom of association. That's why freedom of speech has consequences. Your employer (or record label) might not want to associate with you.
@@sallydeb His label engaged in political discrimination- just like religious discrimination, it is not an acceptable justification for discriminating against someone in the US. They had no problem with him until J6, which means they weren’t discriminatory until the mob outrage “forced their hand” I.E., they allowed themselves to become discriminatory out of fear- that’s not an acceptable reason by law, it can be strongly argued. Would it be acceptable to drop a Muslim from a record label because they were in Saudi Arabia during the stoning of a woman to death? Or because they were in Afghanistan during these recent executions of citizens carried out by the govt for protesting? Should they be dropped just because they are also Muslim, like the Afghan govt?
Why should random people be persecuted and punished for the actions of other people simply because they have similar beliefs?
Yes. This is the tricky distinction: certain things people say will have legally acceptable consequences (like if it can be *causally linked* to a stampede or something), but *why* is political speech having consequences? Political speech is protected under the 1st amendment, Just like speaking religious beliefs- the right to preach in church whatever your religious beliefs are regardless of how insane others might find them is *protected from discriminatory punishment* .This means employers, businesses etc cannot discriminate against you because you believe that or because your religion or politics “*associates*” you with someone else of that belief. It’s very underhanded how some people are now trying to use this slight of hand to say political beliefs, which are protected, should be discriminated against in the workplace, or by businesses- both of those are illegal- even if it’s only because someone shares the beliefs with someone who did something illegal.
This case is *especially* despicable because it’s not something Ariel said or did *himself* that is the supposed reason for discriminating against him.
I discovered Ariel pink at ATP festival in 2010 and saw him a year later in london. I am sorry to hear he has been under so much fire. His music is like a child frank Zappa and David Bowie would have had
This is heartbreaking
This was a really hard show for me to watch. You can feel how much pain this man is in.
Indeed it was not an easy episode to watch.
Even in the UK Trump supporters get judged and shunned. People feel free to bad mouth Trump with impunity, yet if anyone dares say anything positive about Trump then the Trump hater is massively offended and then they attack or shun that person. But President Trump was one of the best presidents that the USA has ever had.
NPC's running scripts
@@theboraxbandit9563 What do you mean?
I knew I loved this MAN not just the artist. I'm also a very strange artist and love Donald Trump and America. God bless my brother, Ariel! Genius musician.
I appreciated Ariel's more poetic ode to the people who "stand straight backed against the wind of change" (quoting from memory) - but obviously that tendency towards metaphorical expression worked against him when talking about "they".
In as much as I already enjoy triggernometry, I expect Konstantin will probably learn a lot from this interview and will do better in the future. I'm certainly looking forward to any post-twitter files content getting released.
KK, just like you realize that people are tribal and hive minded so do powerful elites that will take advantage of that fact & plan accordingly... its not far fetched
I can't believe how naive he is. It's cringe worthy.
Willful ignorance?
If you don't know about Agenda 2030 by now then you're in for a nice ride 😄
Saying that you love Westborough is a big deal. It's a big deal to tell people they're going to hell. It's not just words. It's spreading the cruelest idea out there.
As a recovering opiod addict (7yrs clean) this was difficult to watch. Ariel is obviously struggling to articulate his thoughts here. He seems a very intelligent and sweet man and it breaks my heart what this world has done to him.
what, u think hes high here? interesting i didnt pick up on that and im an actual fiend for fentanyl
Konstantin came off as kinda biased here; all that Ariel said was that a class of people can "manifest a reality" by thinking the same thing. Not controversial. Not conspiratorial. Then he gets grilled for ages about being a conspiracy theorist, as if someone is sitting around a table, planning this stuff. That is not what Ariel said at any point.
I agree with almost everything he said. Calling it like it is
Ariel is describing mass formation, not a conspiracy theory. Read Hanna Arendt & Mattias Desmet.
Wow downloading his entire discography. Love his energy, brilliant guy
I hope you paid him!!
@@Captain_MonsterFart of course!
This was one of those times that a guest broke KK's brain.
It's quite painful to listen to the Realist mindset confronting something it can't put in a neat little box with a label on it.
This guy needs to talk to, what was, Rebel Wisdom. It would be a far more productive conversation.
They'd bring up Egregores in the first 5 minutes and then they'd be off.
But you did your best.
ariel is a genius
One of my favorite indie rock artists, fuck the left for what they did to him. But at least this makes Ariel Pink even more underground
in this case underground means "cancelled" so it's hard for him to tour or get his music out there
@@zzzaaayyynnn nah