What Is A Bike Headset? Traditional Threaded & Threadless Headsets Explained
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Road bike's mostly use two types of headset: the traditional threaded and the modern threadless. In this video Jon talks you through how each of them work and how to install and maintain them so that your bike can always have smooth steering.
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Well I didn't know working on a vintage headset could be done without using bad language😀.
Derek Smith he really knows what he is doing!
@@stanroberts229 yeah man, and calm, I'm digging bikes out of the woods trying to build a steel gravel bike and it's rough. I've threw every thing down for a few days. Some folks have what it takes, I've got to walk away and came back later.
Vintage threaded headset are simple to install and easy to maintain with the correct tools.
Ahead designed headset may not have any easy solutions to fix, much like those press fit BBs with poor engineered tolerances, where you can't take a Campagolo headset cutter to the frame.
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I was a mechanic back in the day. When the A-headset came out I remember feeling like it was the greatest invention since the bicycle itself 😀
Awesome as always!
Jon's explanation is technical, but easy to understand. Hats off to Jon.
Yes Jon, an hour long episode for Bottom Brackets, it's inevitable
I would watch it
That old track bike is 👌
more of this please!!! Only been cycling 2 years and want to be capable of doing my own maintenance beyond drivetrain cleaning and fixing punctures, but to do that I feel like I need a base knowledge of how the puzzle fits together
As to what to show next, though I’m sure BBS will win the requests, I would love to see a cut away frame so we could see how many ways internal cabling is run.
next time can you talk about differences in bottom bracket? how many spacers and different standarts??
That would be a season or 5
well, si did do a video on bottom brackets.....but i would rather have one with jon explaining it
Best visual explanation of the differences between threaded and threadless I’ve seen so far.
I'd like to see more about shifting and derailleurs if possible, I'm just getting into road cycling... been on fixed gear's for awhile so I'd like to know all I can! Cheers and thanks
This is the best series ever
This is the best vid I’ve seen on installing threaded headsets. Really appreciate the beginning when you go through the different parts. Thank youuuuu
Thanks jon for your answer
Great video man. You're clear and concise with extra information as and when it's needed. As someone with barely any knowledge in bike mechanics I was able to reassemble an old bike 👌 super helpful
Thx Jon, great explanation. 👍
Well done. Thank you for the clear explanation of the different headset systems.
Top tech headset tour... much appreciated. Very clear.
Most enlightening, thanks JonnyTech!
This was an exceptionally informative video. Thank you very much.
Nice video. Thanks for the quality and detailed education.
I like them both!
Good video and explanation. Bottom brackets next please 👍
Great video. Thank you, especially the instruction come with threaded and threadless headset/fork
The first bike brought back memories from the 70's and 80's.
Have done that job a lot of times ☺
And was about 12 years old when I startet...
Fantastic explanation....thanks!
You often have to re-check the headset bearing adjustment after installing the stem since the expansion wedge can affect the threaded cup a slight bit.
That what you said about the 0.25mm washer...i took my bike to a shop and they changed the height for the stem after a bike fit. I'm pretty sure they didn't put this washer in. I've since put one in but it's not thin enough. Without it the bearing don't compress properly leaving headset loose. To the point now I have that so much issues with it coming loose or not feeling right that I might just buy a different headset
Very helpful. Thanks
Thank you for this video!!!!! So helpful. Just swapped out my 1989 threaded giant neutra
Great video as always. I watched a previous GCN video showing threadless headset just slipping into the frame with no tools needed. As a novice I merrily dismantled my steel frame bike to discover the threadless headset was interference fit. Needed to buy: removal tool, installation tool, star nut installation tool (and a large metal drill bit to get rid of old one). Was rather costly all in all! Just worth bearing in mind when deciding whether to DIY or LBS. I was chuffed to have done it myself, and don't mind getting new tools.
Great video thanks!
Exact 20 minute video. So pleasing.
I would like you to explain cable adjustments for brakes and shifters. Thank you for all you do on the channel. Ride, Tech to the level of your smile.
I bought a new bike and I tightened the headset like a mofo and the front fork is barely rotation. I had no idea how headsets worked, until I watched this video. Now I have to go back to my garage and loosen that dammed headset before I have my first ride with the bike. Thanks for the video, I subscribed and I'm hoping to learn everything about bikes in the next couple of years.
A great feature Jon, love a deep-dive into the tech world. The bicycle is a seemingly simple machine but without these simple and few parts being understood and fitted correctly then there lies trouble. Not sure if there is a feature in it but would you consider demonstrating how to conduct checks and assessments of bikes...? How to detect cable drag, bearing wear, identifying the dreaded creak and squeak origins maybe? More thorough than a pre-ride check...also how about historical features on bike manufacturers...BSA and Orbea being gun makers back in the day I believe. Thanks, keep them coming and the rubber side down...
Cable drag! Now that's a real hate of mine.
excellent video
Great videos Jon! How about gear shifters (STI) next?
Finally! Now I know what those micro-spacers/washers are for!
This type of content I want more. Bring back also maintenance monday and more indoor training videos!!!
Thanks Vesi, noted!
Fantastic video! Threaded vs threadless, 20 minutes vs 5. Of course like you, I have both in my array of bikes.
Michael Albany No thanks it's enough with durianruders disc vs rim fiasco
@@glennoc8585 That is the fun! Having multiple options and lots to play with and get techie over!
if Chris Opie is anything like me he'll never feel the same about his steering again! That Orbea is a gorgeous bike.
Great video Jon. ..
I'm in the process of restoring a 1990's bianchi. road bike and this video is very helpful. ... best regards. Rudy
Ooft, make sure you let us know how you get on with it!
what a nice frame. A lil bit to big for me, but a good lookin track frame.
THANK YOU
Woow! Awesome steel vintage you got there! Maybe doing an episode on it?
Thanks bro
Nice fixie, John!🤪
thanks!
please make a video about every detail assembly (like this one) for every component of the bike! I really want to completely disassemble my bike and put it back together but I don't have any tools :( Love this video BTW :)
Fun fact: Specialized tapered headset bearings are nowhere to be found in Russia, just ordered them from England. Shoutout to the Edge Sports UK store!
1:52 got to love Raleigh's proprietary 26tpi standards for everything
My old bike that I used to rack on back in the day had the old style with a Campy headset. My new one has an A headset...much easier to setup and adjust the A and to me it makes much more sense to bolt the stem directly to the steerer.
This is going to turn into Jon Canning's Bike Overhaul Adventures! If it's not, I would pay to watch it, we'll also learn how many bikes JC has hidden from the better half :D
No way. I don't want her to find out
I have two race bikes and yes they are just like the ones you have done Jon many thanks it does take longer to do threaded headsets but I needed to change them over twenty yeas ago and you don’t forget how to do them. One question where was your GLOVES just saying great vid
Guess I am a little late to the party. I own a 40+ year-old Gitane Pro with all first-gen Dura Ace, and I had never heard of the threadless until today. I had wondered why the headsets on newer bikes looked different; now I know. Looks like a nice system, but there is absolutely no adjustment that I can see. I know the current trend is to slam the bars as low as possible to be more aero, but some of us are past that point. Call me old school, but I will stick with a threaded. Great video, though!
The locknut of the threaded headset usually incorporated an O ring, which sealed against the stem, preventing water ingress. It's therefore easier to install the stem before tightening the locknut - otherwise pushing the wedge of the stem thru the O ring could damage it.
Great closeups of Jon's grubby little hands.
Sorry to be dumb about this, 14:12 was there a bit of video missing - the upper bearing being fitted? Was the thing with a split in it the compression ring, or is that also the bearing? I really appreciate these videos, but if they are for the likes of me, please include everything - e.g. the tool that you used to fit the traditional bottom ring, seeing you hit that (so we can glean what sort of force is needed) and with what type of hammer, what do you stand the forks on while you hit down on them - these little things really would help.
Last questions: Does Chris have his brakes the other way round (you're holding the left brake to check for rocking)? and (novice question) is it always ok to remove the top cap (to check for the gap you mentioned) or is there some risk of the bung coming loose? Thanks for these videos.
Great video! If the threaded steerer tube is alittle too long can you just cut it down alittle with a hacksaw so the headset fits on good? Thank you!
An excellent way to feel even the smallest play inside the headset: is to work the front brake and than push the hole bike a little back and forth. You will feel a tiny bit of movement until your headst is adjusted perfectly.
Hi. Brilliant show. Can you explain how bicycle GPS low jack works and is it worth to buy it. Thank you
I love talking tech. What else would you like me to explain the inner workings of?!
STI and others shifting systems for road bikes, please! Also, tell what makes STI so expensive!
Tell about STI and other shifting systems, please!
STI shifting system should be next please.
Jon Cannings a diy version of aligning derailleurhangers
Please take apart a delta-brake and put it together again - again ;-)
Someone get Jon a rag to wipe the grease off his hands next time. Great video!
That Simoncini is a lovely frame and fork...I would love to see it built-up!How about covering l'Eroica with it?...
what a beautiful simoncini bike! I hope you still have it! what year is it and how much does it weigh?
what grease are you using in the video? very well done video!
Thank you
Integrated headset starts at 10:55. I got a brand new frame, totally naked. I need to buy a headset - I see there are so many types, probably the upper and lower diameter are key parameters but I see several other parameters I can chose from --> confused.
Jon, what is the recommended torque for the internal nut/expander in the carbon fork tube? thanks
how to service a bike with out a bike stand,gmbn got the stand today then ?
Using a threaded headset means that you can use a quill stem where the handle bar height can be adjusted infinitely for the perfect drop position height without affecting the headset pre load and the need to use spacers. If the ahead stem is slammed with the steerer tube cut down for safety you cannot raise the handlebars if required in the future. And no ahead stem comes close to the classic look of a Cinelli XA quill stem.
At least with threadless, you can adjust it with allen key instead of two big spanners. Also, threadless stems don't bulge the steerer like quill stems do, which is also exacerbated by having to put grease on the quill in order to prevent seizing. And that's because water and sweaty can-and will- easily make its way in the gap between the steerer and quill.
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Aaah, the starfangled nut. Not missed.
can you make a video on what specs should I be looking for if I were to replace a steel fork to a carbon fork on road bikes?
"and now you just put on some greasy fingerprints on Opie's bike so that he sees what he gets from lending it to me ..." :D
just kidding :-) nice video, Jon! thanks for the nice explanation and inside-view
Are there any video tutorials on how to fully disassemble a road bike?
Definitely threaded headsets 😁
zooming in whilst assembling the different parts would be very helpfull.
Ok so you greased the headset cups when pressing them in, what's the hive mind opinion on this, I've heard and done both (grease vs dry) and not convinced either is correct.
I always wondered what that funny looking tool with the little knob was for.
Presenting tech videos, it turns out.
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2:26 that dust seal broke when I just installed a new fork on my bike. Is that absolutely necessary even though the bike originally came with it? I would like to buy it, but not sure if they sell just that part.
My front fork does nog have a crown race should i be worried? The shop says it's supposed to be like this on this fork
What about Canyon type headsets? Are they any good? Considered buying their bike but reading some opinions over the internet made me curious...
I've been advised that if you slam your stem, you want to always leave 5-10 mm of spacers on top of the stem but Chris's bike's steerer is flush with his stem. Is there a reason his can go flush and others can't? Thanks
What's he applying before he inserts the cups?
Can you fit an ahead fork on an threaded Frame?
Lovely and succinct but could have done with a couple more closeup on crucial ball race bits. Still not sure which way up they should be as he appeared to put top one on the other way from what I was expecting after seeing how he did bottom one. I thought they would be opposite - two seconds more explanation would have done the trick. Hopefully watching that bit again will sort it out.
6:05 said bearings most visible side down, then put them on the other way up. Am I missing something?
Exactly, the most visible side of the bearings assembly is certainly placed upwards, not downwards in this video! 😲
final adjustments of a traditional headset should be done after installing the quill stem as the binder bolt/wedge slightly distorts the steerer tube affecting the adjustment slightly
the slight bulging of the quill wedge and hence the steerer tube effectively shortens the length of the tube between bearings , not much but it can change the carefully set bearing preload.
How do spacers fit into this?
Love the supercheap bike on the wall
Is it possible to do the threaded headset installation without that huge tool used to compress the cups into the frame?
how are you going to line up the bar and stem from sitting off at such an angle? lol… i always have to look right over mine and then ride it afterwards to check and adjust
I recently lowered my stem by moving four 5mm spacers from below the stem to above (haven't yet cut the fork) and for this reason the top cap tightens above the four spacers (as opposed to above the stem) just not sure if this will cause play in the whole assembly.
Hi Arman, 20mm is a relatively tall stack on top of the stem, but the assembly is designed to work with spacers above the stem as long as there are no 'free floating' spacers that aren't constrained by the fork then this is fine. Ideally you should cut the forks once you have the correct fit though!
Is the seat hight ajustable?
Most rame builders in the past tended to stick to one or two variations ss the reaming tools weren't cheap.
Well I miss the days when you could easily adjust the handlebar height in seconds on the side of the road.
There are stems that are quill and also have a removeable faceplate. The 3T Mutant quill springs to mind here. Also the hideaous welded ITM stem Jon has got on his beautiful Simoncini seems to be of such make. You essentially get the best of both worlds.
Yep, back in the day when we all stopped to put our handlebars down before a sprint.
@@robcollinson9508 It worked for Eddy Merckx. He was obsessed about his position on the bicycle and was known to have changed his saddle and bar height even in the middle of a race.
Please explain STI leavers. Thanks.
They have a video on that I think by Si Richardson.
Try looking up "How to use road bike levers.
Headset cup fitting tool..... You mean a bit of wood and a mallet in my case :-)
What about the proprietary Look and Time head sets ;)
Not too shabby, I say 🎩👍
That Simoncini ist just beautiful! Would be even more beautiful with a Campagnolo Super Record track- or C-Rec headset and something like a gleamingly polished Cinelli 1a or 1r stem and matching silver handelbars wrapped in red benotto cello tape to complimentarily contrast the nice forest green of the frame.
That vintage simoncini tho 👀