Sure. And your comments seem balanced and fair. It's bloody expensive, but also a brute of a knife. Its a Team Gemini Light Brigade with competition finish and black canvas micarta handles. The finish and model are both discontinued. It's a hit with the Busse fans as it's also the knife that Daryl Dixon uses in The Waking Dead.
Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors hell yeah it's valid Pete. No disrespect to anyone. But u could get a big ass bark river, a dark timber honey badger mid tech, and demco folder.... Or that knife......
There's nothing secret or mysterious about Busse knives. He makes a quality product, a little more expensive than some, but also pretty unique. Most of the knives are geared toward heavy use, and they tend to be thick and obtuse. Easy enough to change that if you want, and obviously that's not a great geometry for slicing rope. INFI and SR-101 are both typically hardened to 58-60 Rc. Busse has also offered a few smaller knives in INFI at 60-62 Rc. And they use other steels from time to time as well. INFI balances toughness, sharpenability, corrosion resistance and edge holding very well, but at 58-60 it's not geared (or advertised) toward maximum edge holding. Harder INFI and SR-101 prioritize that more. Busse has used a number of different marketing approaches over the years. Most recently, in terms of regular production, he runs 1 knife at a time, and announces it via email and BF. Most of the smaller Busses I have cost around 150 USD directly from the shop. Mid-sized blades are more like 250 USD, and the big choppers go up around 400+ USD. Of course some of the knives are much more expensive than that, with a variety of options, finishes and custom work. Yes, Busse has kind of a cult following, and his knives are popular with niche collectors. But they are also very good utility knives, when used in an appropriate manner for the intended task.
Own multiple Bark rivers in 3v and a lot of busse knives including 4 TGLBs in infi. From what ive seen from using both brands and both steels, 3v will hold an edge longer but 3v will chip where infi will roll or just dull. Both easy fixes but less annoying to fix the busse. Their heat treat is second to none.
I think this is the intent behind the steel, no problems with that at all - edge retention is arguable a secondary issue in the rough and tumble environments these are for I guess!
Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors yeah that's my guess as well, busse would rather the knife go dull quicker but not chip. Just bought a bravo 1.25 in 3v because of your video on it....it was mostly the arse cam that made me do it....okay it was only the arse cam that made me do it.
This knife is a TGLB. Or Team Gemini Light Brigade. They do make a thicker nuclear HOG (Heavy Ordinance Grade). And just recently made a thinner ultralight version. As well as a forsaken version that has CBT (Corrugated Bevel Technology).
Among other factors going on, I suspect this result might be further evidencing the emerging pattern of thin grinds staying sharper longer under normal abrasive use. The exceptions perhaps being when the grind becomes too thin for the steel type or is used for impact tasks and the edge kind of catastrophically deforms.
The Busse Team Gemini is the knife Daryl Dixon uses in The Walking Dead, so you know it's a zombie killing machine! I've got the Battle Grade Team Gemini in SR101 steel. It's the little brother of INFI. It's also an incredible steel. I've a couple of INFI steel Busse's too which are absolute work horses and take a real beating. I don't treat these knives like collectors items which many do. I use them how they were made for.
might be a lot easier on you glue/nail a 2x4 to your board with the 2" wide bit face up so that you can use the heel of the knife etc and better leverage for these kinds of tests where the handle angle etc gets in the way
What I don’t understand is if infi is so tuff, why they would make the knife so thick. Generally the tougher the steel the more they can thin it down for better cutting preference. There going the wrong way imo At that thickness they could’ve made it out of maxamet and never have to worry about a thing.
It's very malleable, That's why. I think Busses intent with INFI is the edge will roll before it chips out. Easier to align when sharpening. The problem with Busse is it's a collection driven market for his stuff. So he goes off on the deep end on blade thickness and geometry. To appease those people. They do from time to time run out a model that's a good working blade. I have a 3/16's nmsfno that was a one off, full convex grind. I put a pronounced 20 degree convexed edge on it and it's pretty good. The steel is legit as a tough material. And even though his marketing is such, it does what he says it will. With that said...the modified 52100 they do I like even better. I tend to like carbon alloys better anyway. And they can do 52100 very well. They call it SR101.
Super easy. I have used 3v and Infi extensively. INFI is much easier to sharpen, and in my experience, is very easy to realign an edge deflection by steeling it on a smooth hard steel. I chopped a small river stone in half by accident and the damage was so minimal and steeled back to shaving sharp in a few minutes. It was a FMMLE with a much thinner than stock edge.
One thing about Jerry Busse's INFI steel that most people dont realize when they see a random video about it is that you can be giving it a beating, or cutting, or whatever and get that thing back to pretty damn sharp by just a stropping on just bare steel.. its a seriously awesome characteristic of that steel. Most steel you need a stone because you are removing steel to get it sharp. I have used the side of a screwdriver, or a part of my jeep bumper to strope it back to sharp.. i love it.. not to mention its more stainless than most stainless steels.
This is the team Gemini light brigade if I'm not mistaken? Its the same knife Darryl Dixon used in the early seasons of the walking dead. I think it's typical billed as a combat knife. Still would perform bush tasks no problem! Wanted one of these for a long time, but for $600 USD and no sheath....no thanks.
The Knife is pretty cool, because it‘s extremely lightweight for its size (and looks awesome in my opinion), but the fit‘n‘finish on mine is to be honest just hideously horrible... If it would just have ESEE or even Ontario levels of build quality I would have been happy. I plan on letting someone reprofile the primary grind in the future to thin it out and get it at least somewhat even. Your results in edge retention seem reasonable to me. My TGLB-INFI behaved somewhat like 1095 in the woods (edge retention wise) with the grain of salt that it got one tiny chip in the edge, though I can‘t say if I hit a nail or something. Thank you, Pete for giving us the Info and doing the testing despite the complicated conditions!
Say Heah Cedric, Yeah, I love my Busse. Intact I started out with the Anniversary Straight Handle Battle Mistress LE. Then the Anniversary Mean Street, the Son of Badger which is one of my Fav's. Bush craft Knives, then I got the Sarge 7. then SteelHeartFussionMeltdown, then a Safe Queen because it was Cerakoted by Busse for the first time, for the Blade Show, then I got lucky and was able to land (2) INFIMandu's a Rat Mandy in the INFI steel, then I got three Ergo Series, the Badger Attack Ergo, Steel Heart Ergo and the Ergo Battle Mistress, and my last one is the Flake Jack, I really want a Busse Gemini which I would have the Custom Shop take the top guard off, as I did with my Rodent 6,I also had mine thinned down, Oh, most of my Busse's where thinned down at the edge except for a couple. On my INFIMandu, I left one stock, my user is thinned down. The INFI works great in Jungle use as well as the Poles. Dilly Fully.,,.p
I have a bunch of Spyderco PM2's in different steels that I've been wanting to try out with some cut tests. I also happen to have a collection of Busses, including a few BAD's, which have a very similar geometry to the PM2's, and are Rc 60-62 INFI. So I decided to try your rope cut test with 3 of the PM2's and a BAD. I chose M390, M4 and S30V for the Spydercos. That seems like a good range of popular steels. I'm very impressed with the PM2's, and have been carrying them now for about 5 years. I sharpened all 4 knives to 15 DPS up to 800 grit, then finished on a 10k strop. The rope was 3/8" sisal. I used notebook paper as my baseline, similar to what you do. The knives needed to continue to easily slice through it - not a pure push cut, but an easy, gentle slice, with no hang-ups. INFI did 500 cuts. M390 also did 500. M4 did 650 cuts, and S30V did 250. The 4 knives behaved very similarly on notebook paper at these numbers. Next step was to restore the knives back to easy paper slicing with the least possible effort. INFI came back with just the strop, 50 total passes. M390 was much harder. I needed to use the fine side of a Double Stuff and the strop to get it back. M4 was between INFI and M390. I mostly used the strop, with a few passes on the fine stone. S30V was the easiest to restore, but of course it only did half the work. It came back with 30 passes on the strop. So obviously there's nothing wrong with INFI in an apples/apples cut test. Considering combined edge holding and ease of restoration, it's pretty close to the top. It's much more corrosion resistant than M4, but somewhat less resistant than M390. And when you back off to 20 DPS and start talking about combined toughness and edge restoration, INFI really begins to shine. I'm not saying INFI is a magic steel by any means. Its primary purpose is larger field knives that will see some abuse. But even by the standards of super steels with Spyderco heat treats (which most of us seem to agree are very good) INFI is a pretty impressive product. If you want to make a serious comparison between steels, you need to consider blade geometry and sharpening characteristics. It's just not realistic to evaluate the performance of a steel and heat treat with a large, thick knife sharpened very obtusely running against finely-ground slicers.
i thought i was very open in this and the previous videos about how different this test was. I almost didnt bother doing it as the test as it is of limited use. I am very suprised it cut evenly with m390 though given the vast differences in elemental makeup. I would loved to have seen that.
I'm not questioning your openness. All I'm saying is that if you want to compare steels, you need to keep the other variables reasonably similar. You can't run an INFI axe against an M390 scalpel on a rope cut test, and use that as your basis for evaluating the 2 steels. And I'm not trying to sell or convince anyone of anything in terms of steels. These are all knives I use in the real world, and that's my basis. Everyone is free to buy and use whatever knives they want. I'll put up a vid at some point if I get time.
Paul, you make a very good point about geometry and heat treat. People get to hung up steels with high carbide volume and don’t think that “simple steels” with good geometry and heat treat can hang with the “super steels”. Spyderco 52100 is a good example of simple steel good heat treat that performs well. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if a Busse INFI at 60-62 with good geometry performs well. The good thing about those simple steels is they can be taken back to hair shaving sharp instantly. Also, you should check Outpost76’s videos, if you haven’t already. He has pretty good edge retention tests on cardboard and some of the simple steels have done well.
Of all the folding knives you ever tested which was the thinnest behind the edge - kind of razor like and most suitable for cutting very soft material like fruits, tomatoes etc? Thanks
On the topic of big knives (and I'm not trying to be funny) Have you done a review of a Down Under knife? I just found a site here in Europe, where I can get them, but it wouldbe cool hearing your opinion on them.
Actually tbh that's how I do my tests exactly...push cut with the other hand on the spine. Since I polish my edges up to .1micron sawing at the rope isn't so effective...do you think this will change your numbers between push cutting and sawing?
I am surprised it went that far actually considering the thickness of the knife and the initial sharpness. Maybe try a rope test with your axe! Might be interesting. Looks like you have a gransfors bruk. I’ve got the Scandinavian forest axe. Like the one you have with that steel collar.
Hi Pete. Totally knife related: I think I have a crush on Cedric. Actually may be buying a golden puppo soon. Curious, how much does that bugger weigh? Thanks.
Cedric is Lab crossed with a Golden - its a great mix if you want a large doggo. He got the robust build of a lab, but the length and looks of a golden. Hes 48KG at the moment (pretty good weight for his size).
mbiram hey man! nah you go for it - its visible to all though! When I do the review, I can put your email in the description if you like. It’ll sell very quickly, these are crazy short supply.
Opps, contact info deleted. Thanks for the heads up. Don't publish my email pls, too many spambots. I just googled how to PM in RUclips, sorted, but I feel old.
mbiram hey mate. I dunno how to send a message to you but do you sell them? Im getting 50% of a convo here. I'm 26 years old in regards to your message as for selling to minors.
in the convex they use in their knives, hes most likely quite right. Its a hard and tough tool steel that would be great in that application. In folding knives its a little high maintenance for some folk - it tarnished really quickly, and the joints of the knife can really build up rust. I still like it though. I’ve tested a couple knives in it
Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors according to your test so far... what steel do you think has the best overall of all qualities? Toughness, edge retention, ease of sharpening, corrosion resistance....
Ok,,,, Before I watch the push cuts I gotta commend you for taking this steel to ANY test!!! I’ve been super impressed with BUSSE from the day I stumbled on them ummm,,,5yrs ago. Love their designs and how they support “fighting/woods anything goes” especially with the INFI steel. Seen many videos of these tearing threw hell and back but the clips would be edited for sex appeal not revealing any effect of edge after. Excited to see how many cuts she delivers but in true nature of this BEAST,,,, please take her out get her Deep in some wood’
Cold Steel did that same type of push cut test with their CTS-XHP on a Recon 1 and it cut 6,630 times on 1inch rope , just an outrageous amount , AUS8 did 1,403 times, INFI steel did 88 ?? I know its a folder , but that is a HUGE difference, they also did it until the blade was dull, but still , I know I'm not the only one who's seen it the CS video , look it up . Anyway its a really nice knife ,probably geared more towards toughness, I know CPM-3V would cut more than 88 times . That Busse is not worth $1,000 , IMO, their knives are always on the expensive side and they don't come with sheaths , that's just crazy . I'd buy a Dark Timber with 3V and save $700 . I still want to see the review though.
Tonight, at 9pm eastern, on the Busse Combat website. Here’s the details. www.bladeforums.com/threads/team-gemini-ultra-light-brigade-coming-wednesday-9-25-2019-9-00-pm-eastern.1684826/
Mohd Zaudi Khasni think that’s impossible. And it would have to do with what u consider sharp. I can probably get a delica to cut 1k with I press down hard enough
A2 would be at least on par edge retention wise. If this was mine I would test it for toughness/chipping too. Its got so much iron in it it must be tough as hell
Busse knives look cool, but they are not worth what they charge for them. Especially, when you can get an Esee or Becker they cuts almost the same, but costs 1/6th what a Busse does. You can get a Bark River in 3V or CruWear for 1/2 the price and it will perform circles around a Busse....IMHO...
@Johnny Ra You get what you pay for in Busse. I go for the Swamp Rat and SYKCO lines and they are a good price for the quality. My Ratmandu in Infi is a knife that will outlast an Esee. And I got a Rodent 9 on the secondary market for $200.
I gotta tell ya, me wifie dulls our expensive damascus kitchen blades so fast by drawing across her cutting board, which is made of bambo. The worst stuff to cut on. buhu!
you cant buy a new bark river for half the price of the busse tglb, this knife cost 347.00 new and a comparable bark river knife in 3v is about the same price.just the facts sir.
I have wanted one of these blades for ages, but, I have to say, I would feel fairly cheated to spend the $500+ on a Busse only to have edge retention that poor. I think the quality is great, but that is some egregiously poor steel performance for that price of a blade.
100% Agree, LOVE my JX5.Got 20+ hours on it. I think it is the best bag for the buck ,big knife. Right in the sweet spot of size/weight. 3V and convex to boot. *Are you a Mark Hunt fan?
Valid?
All data is valid. Value is in the interpretation of it :-)
Yes it was ! thank you Pete .
Sure. And your comments seem balanced and fair. It's bloody expensive, but also a brute of a knife.
Its a Team Gemini Light Brigade with competition finish and black canvas micarta handles. The finish and model are both discontinued.
It's a hit with the Busse fans as it's also the knife that Daryl Dixon uses in The Waking Dead.
Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors hell yeah it's valid Pete. No disrespect to anyone. But u could get a big ass bark river, a dark timber honey badger mid tech, and demco folder.... Or that knife......
Yup
There's nothing secret or mysterious about Busse knives. He makes a quality product, a little more expensive than some, but also pretty unique. Most of the knives are geared toward heavy use, and they tend to be thick and obtuse. Easy enough to change that if you want, and obviously that's not a great geometry for slicing rope.
INFI and SR-101 are both typically hardened to 58-60 Rc. Busse has also offered a few smaller knives in INFI at 60-62 Rc. And they use other steels from time to time as well. INFI balances toughness, sharpenability, corrosion resistance and edge holding very well, but at 58-60 it's not geared (or advertised) toward maximum edge holding. Harder INFI and SR-101 prioritize that more.
Busse has used a number of different marketing approaches over the years. Most recently, in terms of regular production, he runs 1 knife at a time, and announces it via email and BF. Most of the smaller Busses I have cost around 150 USD directly from the shop. Mid-sized blades are more like 250 USD, and the big choppers go up around 400+ USD. Of course some of the knives are much more expensive than that, with a variety of options, finishes and custom work.
Yes, Busse has kind of a cult following, and his knives are popular with niche collectors. But they are also very good utility knives, when used in an appropriate manner for the intended task.
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Its Jerry's artistic genius at his finest. A work of art like all his creations.
Own multiple Bark rivers in 3v and a lot of busse knives including 4 TGLBs in infi. From what ive seen from using both brands and both steels, 3v will hold an edge longer but 3v will chip where infi will roll or just dull. Both easy fixes but less annoying to fix the busse. Their heat treat is second to none.
I think this is the intent behind the steel, no problems with that at all - edge retention is arguable a secondary issue in the rough and tumble environments these are for I guess!
Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors yeah that's my guess as well, busse would rather the knife go dull quicker but not chip. Just bought a bravo 1.25 in 3v because of your video on it....it was mostly the arse cam that made me do it....okay it was only the arse cam that made me do it.
hahah im such a trap
LOL @ comparing infi to 3V! LOL!
Infi = hardened dog poop
This knife is a TGLB. Or Team Gemini Light Brigade. They do make a thicker nuclear HOG (Heavy Ordinance Grade). And just recently made a thinner ultralight version. As well as a forsaken version that has CBT (Corrugated Bevel Technology).
That is a beast of a knife! Good point on the BRK comparison too.
Among other factors going on, I suspect this result might be further evidencing the emerging pattern of thin grinds staying sharper longer under normal abrasive use. The exceptions perhaps being when the grind becomes too thin for the steel type or is used for impact tasks and the edge kind of catastrophically deforms.
EDnaut i feel that is where the data is leaning too!
I applaud the time and labor of these tests. Keep up the great work!
Once you hit the 1Million subs are you gonna giveaway that cutting board?
Signed and framed to a fan at 100,000, promise!
The Busse Team Gemini is the knife Daryl Dixon uses in The Walking Dead, so you know it's a zombie killing machine!
I've got the Battle Grade Team Gemini in SR101 steel. It's the little brother of INFI. It's also an incredible steel. I've a couple of INFI steel Busse's too which are absolute work horses and take a real beating. I don't treat these knives like collectors items which many do. I use them how they were made for.
Did he lose the knife after a few seasons? It’s such a great knife for him.
@@thoricdavid8174 Unsure where it went, but I believe in the later seasons his knife changes, though I've not seen all seasons yet.
might be a lot easier on you glue/nail a 2x4 to your board with the 2" wide bit face up so that you can use the heel of the knife etc and better leverage for these kinds of tests where the handle angle etc gets in the way
Great Work C! 88 Passes and a vid Lasting 6.39 Very Esoteric :-)))
What I don’t understand is if infi is so tuff, why they would make the knife so thick. Generally the tougher the steel the more they can thin it down for better cutting preference. There going the wrong way imo
At that thickness they could’ve made it out of maxamet and never have to worry about a thing.
So when you do sharpen it, it last longer, or you turn it around and can crack someone in self defense.
It's very malleable, That's why. I think Busses intent with INFI is the edge will roll before it chips out. Easier to align when sharpening.
The problem with Busse is it's a collection driven market for his stuff. So he goes off on the deep end on blade thickness and geometry. To appease those people.
They do from time to time run out a model that's a good working blade. I have a 3/16's nmsfno that was a one off, full convex grind. I put a pronounced 20 degree convexed edge on it and it's pretty good. The steel is legit as a tough material. And even though his marketing is such, it does what he says it will.
With that said...the modified 52100 they do I like even better. I tend to like carbon alloys better anyway. And they can do 52100 very well. They call it SR101.
Because it's soft and ductile. It's very easy to dent or roll INFI edges, what's very hard is to snap them.
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I wonder how easy it was to bring it back to razor sharpness in comparison to a 3V blade.
Super easy. I have used 3v and Infi extensively. INFI is much easier to sharpen, and in my experience, is very easy to realign an edge deflection by steeling it on a smooth hard steel. I chopped a small river stone in half by accident and the damage was so minimal and steeled back to shaving sharp in a few minutes. It was a FMMLE with a much thinner than stock edge.
One thing about Jerry Busse's INFI steel that most people dont realize when they see a random video about it is that you can be giving it a beating, or cutting, or whatever and get that thing back to pretty damn sharp by just a stropping on just bare steel.. its a seriously awesome characteristic of that steel. Most steel you need a stone because you are removing steel to get it sharp. I have used the side of a screwdriver, or a part of my jeep bumper to strope it back to sharp.. i love it.. not to mention its more stainless than most stainless steels.
This knife is poop.
You are POOP@@DinoNucci
This is the team Gemini light brigade if I'm not mistaken? Its the same knife Darryl Dixon used in the early seasons of the walking dead. I think it's typical billed as a combat knife. Still would perform bush tasks no problem! Wanted one of these for a long time, but for $600 USD and no sheath....no thanks.
Exactly! No amount of marketing makes no sheath and a huge price ok :-/
The Knife is pretty cool, because it‘s extremely lightweight for its size (and looks awesome in my opinion), but the fit‘n‘finish on mine is to be honest just hideously horrible... If it would just have ESEE or even Ontario levels of build quality I would have been happy. I plan on letting someone reprofile the primary grind in the future to thin it out and get it at least somewhat even.
Your results in edge retention seem reasonable to me. My TGLB-INFI behaved somewhat like 1095 in the woods (edge retention wise) with the grain of salt that it got one tiny chip in the edge, though I can‘t say if I hit a nail or something.
Thank you, Pete for giving us the Info and doing the testing despite the complicated conditions!
I was interested in busse's infisteel because I saw a guy in another video chopping a rock but if I had to guess it's proprietary 1055.
i miss the days where INFI was like a religion
Say Heah Cedric, Yeah, I love my Busse. Intact I started out with the Anniversary Straight Handle Battle Mistress LE. Then the Anniversary Mean Street, the Son of Badger which is one of my Fav's. Bush craft Knives, then I got the Sarge 7. then SteelHeartFussionMeltdown, then a Safe Queen because it was Cerakoted by Busse for the first time, for the Blade Show, then I got lucky and was able to land (2) INFIMandu's a Rat Mandy in the INFI steel, then I got three Ergo Series, the Badger Attack Ergo, Steel Heart Ergo and the Ergo Battle Mistress, and my last one is the Flake Jack, I really want a Busse Gemini which I would have the Custom Shop take the top guard off, as I did with my Rodent 6,I also had mine thinned down, Oh, most of my Busse's where thinned down at the edge except for a couple. On my INFIMandu, I left one stock, my user is thinned down. The INFI works great in Jungle use as well as the Poles. Dilly Fully.,,.p
You deserve way more subs
I have a bunch of Spyderco PM2's in different steels that I've been wanting to try out with some cut tests. I also happen to have a collection of Busses, including a few BAD's, which have a very similar geometry to the PM2's, and are Rc 60-62 INFI. So I decided to try your rope cut test with 3 of the PM2's and a BAD. I chose M390, M4 and S30V for the Spydercos. That seems like a good range of popular steels. I'm very impressed with the PM2's, and have been carrying them now for about 5 years.
I sharpened all 4 knives to 15 DPS up to 800 grit, then finished on a 10k strop. The rope was 3/8" sisal. I used notebook paper as my baseline, similar to what you do. The knives needed to continue to easily slice through it - not a pure push cut, but an easy, gentle slice, with no hang-ups.
INFI did 500 cuts. M390 also did 500. M4 did 650 cuts, and S30V did 250. The 4 knives behaved very similarly on notebook paper at these numbers.
Next step was to restore the knives back to easy paper slicing with the least possible effort. INFI came back with just the strop, 50 total passes. M390 was much harder. I needed to use the fine side of a Double Stuff and the strop to get it back. M4 was between INFI and M390. I mostly used the strop, with a few passes on the fine stone. S30V was the easiest to restore, but of course it only did half the work. It came back with 30 passes on the strop.
So obviously there's nothing wrong with INFI in an apples/apples cut test. Considering combined edge holding and ease of restoration, it's pretty close to the top. It's much more corrosion resistant than M4, but somewhat less resistant than M390. And when you back off to 20 DPS and start talking about combined toughness and edge restoration, INFI really begins to shine.
I'm not saying INFI is a magic steel by any means. Its primary purpose is larger field knives that will see some abuse. But even by the standards of super steels with Spyderco heat treats (which most of us seem to agree are very good) INFI is a pretty impressive product.
If you want to make a serious comparison between steels, you need to consider blade geometry and sharpening characteristics. It's just not realistic to evaluate the performance of a steel and heat treat with a large, thick knife sharpened very obtusely running against finely-ground slicers.
i thought i was very open in this and the previous videos about how different this test was. I almost didnt bother doing it as the test as it is of limited use.
I am very suprised it cut evenly with m390 though given the vast differences in elemental makeup. I would loved to have seen that.
I'm not questioning your openness. All I'm saying is that if you want to compare steels, you need to keep the other variables reasonably similar. You can't run an INFI axe against an M390 scalpel on a rope cut test, and use that as your basis for evaluating the 2 steels.
And I'm not trying to sell or convince anyone of anything in terms of steels. These are all knives I use in the real world, and that's my basis. Everyone is free to buy and use whatever knives they want.
I'll put up a vid at some point if I get time.
Paul, you make a very good point about geometry and heat treat. People get to hung up steels with high carbide volume and don’t think that “simple steels” with good geometry and heat treat can hang with the “super steels”. Spyderco 52100 is a good example of simple steel good heat treat that performs well. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if a Busse INFI at 60-62 with good geometry performs well. The good thing about those simple steels is they can be taken back to hair shaving sharp instantly. Also, you should check Outpost76’s videos, if you haven’t already. He has pretty good edge retention tests on cardboard and some of the simple steels have done well.
Tldr.
@@paulmarshall9189 QQ bro? Busse blows poop through a straw
It would be interesting to see a Busse TG Infi vs Busse’s battle grade SR101 version edge retention difference
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I see why you chose a Final Fantasy sound track hehe awesome!
This ws the best test I have seen, tapped the edge, right on ...oh ya
Of all the folding knives you ever tested which was the thinnest behind the edge - kind of razor like and most suitable for cutting very soft material like fruits, tomatoes etc? Thanks
The thin one
That Team Gemini is nice! i say it did ok on the rope for what it is.
It IS a knife, and it is poop
Surprised the cutting board survived under all that muscle power.
On the topic of big knives (and I'm not trying to be funny) Have you done a review of a Down Under knife? I just found a site here in Europe, where I can get them, but it wouldbe cool hearing your opinion on them.
They’re a bit overpriced being that they are all made in china from pretty basic steel. Havent really got my attention enough to look seriously at em
Oh.. didn't know they are made in China. In that case, I find them very overpriced. Thank you!
Infi lol. It just doesn't have the chemistry to stack up to the modern pm tool steels.
Correct
like my Niolox ;)
Its best feature is in making people feel powerful.
Actually tbh that's how I do my tests exactly...push cut with the other hand on the spine. Since I polish my edges up to .1micron sawing at the rope isn't so effective...do you think this will change your numbers between push cutting and sawing?
Paul Lonardo yeah probably, i reckon i would need a whole separate list testing it with push cuts!
Do you think you pushing on it into wood could dull it faster rather than just cutting?
yeah, could do, so Im keeping it separate from direct comparison with all the other steels ive tested
I am surprised it went that far actually considering the thickness of the knife and the initial sharpness. Maybe try a rope test with your axe! Might be interesting. Looks like you have a gransfors bruk. I’ve got the Scandinavian forest axe. Like the one you have with that steel collar.
Hi Pete. Totally knife related: I think I have a crush on Cedric. Actually may be buying a golden puppo soon. Curious, how much does that bugger weigh? Thanks.
Cedric is Lab crossed with a Golden - its a great mix if you want a large doggo. He got the robust build of a lab, but the length and looks of a golden. Hes 48KG at the moment (pretty good weight for his size).
Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors awesome. I would love to get a combodoggo like that. Yeah he is a healthy boy. Thanks for the info.
Team Gemini Light Brigade aka Daryl Dixon's zombie knife!
Maaaaaan i want one.
Did you order it from the site? Or is there a dealer in aus? I've been chasing a busse for years!!
mbiram hey man! nah you go for it - its visible to all though! When I do the review, I can put your email in the description if you like. It’ll sell very quickly, these are crazy short supply.
Opps, contact info deleted. Thanks for the heads up. Don't publish my email pls, too many spambots. I just googled how to PM in RUclips, sorted, but I feel old.
mbiram hey mate. I dunno how to send a message to you but do you sell them? Im getting 50% of a convo here. I'm 26 years old in regards to your message as for selling to minors.
Thx Ced
Love my busse !
Puke
Also, what are your thoughts on M4? According to Mike Stewart it is so hard all you have to do is strop it and you will never have to sharpen it?
in the convex they use in their knives, hes most likely quite right. Its a hard and tough tool steel that would be great in that application. In folding knives its a little high maintenance for some folk - it tarnished really quickly, and the joints of the knife can really build up rust. I still like it though. I’ve tested a couple knives in it
Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors according to your test so far... what steel do you think has the best overall of all qualities? Toughness, edge retention, ease of sharpening, corrosion resistance....
M390, does all three quite well
Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors if they actually give you it😂
Hi man when would you do a edge retention test for Emerson 154cm please? Thanks lots.
Send him some
Ok,,,, Before I watch the push cuts I gotta commend you for taking this steel to ANY test!!!
I’ve been super impressed with BUSSE from the day I stumbled on them ummm,,,5yrs ago.
Love their designs and how they support “fighting/woods anything goes” especially with the INFI steel.
Seen many videos of these tearing threw hell and back but the clips would be edited for sex appeal not revealing any effect of edge after.
Excited to see how many cuts she delivers but in true nature of this BEAST,,,, please take her out get her Deep in some wood’
Busse = poop
"[bassie bussy boosie] Not sure how you pronounce it" -- You pronounce it "Marketing".
The word is Marketing but the proper pronunciation is "bull plop".
Its Bus(as in school "bus") ee as in tr"ee"
Bus-ee
Cold Steel did that same type of push cut test with their CTS-XHP on a Recon 1 and it cut 6,630 times on 1inch rope , just an outrageous amount , AUS8 did 1,403 times, INFI steel did 88 ?? I know its a folder , but that is a HUGE difference, they also did it until the blade was dull, but still , I know I'm not the only one who's seen it the CS video , look it up . Anyway its a really nice knife ,probably geared more towards toughness, I know CPM-3V would cut more than 88 times . That Busse is not worth $1,000 , IMO, their knives are always on the expensive side and they don't come with sheaths , that's just crazy . I'd buy a Dark Timber with 3V and save $700 . I still want to see the review though.
Correct! #BusseBlows
great content
Where to purchase this knife
Tonight, at 9pm eastern, on the Busse Combat website. Here’s the details.
www.bladeforums.com/threads/team-gemini-ultra-light-brigade-coming-wednesday-9-25-2019-9-00-pm-eastern.1684826/
88 pieces of rope might equal chopping through one 4in branch.
I.e. it is poop
88 that’s sad I bet a 3v edge with a convex would do at LEAST 100 cuts more
I had he Bark River LT Bravo do 198
@@CedricAda what fixed blade knife got the most passes
Got a link to that final fantasy music?
I just have them on my computer from an old winzip file ages ago... you can find most of it on youtube tho
Try Rockstead SHIN, steel YXR7. Japanese claim can cut over 1k without sharpen.
Mohd Zaudi Khasni think that’s impossible. And it would have to do with what u consider sharp. I can probably get a delica to cut 1k with I press down hard enough
Vinny Nero watch here. Rockstead already test. ruclips.net/video/mmkfLd5eKRU/видео.html
Mohd Zaudi Khasni only did 29 cuts on rope. I’m sure it can cut more. But 1k no shot
Mohd Zaudi Khasni it would have to micro chip before then
We here just waiting if someone do full video with more 1k push cut for it.
would you take even A2 over it at those numbers?
A2 would be at least on par edge retention wise. If this was mine I would test it for toughness/chipping too. Its got so much iron in it it must be tough as hell
Holy shit I want that shirt. Where'd you get it?
through the Rock Bottom facebook groups T Shirt making site thing ❤️
I have an idea 💡 rap the lower half of the blade with Wilson rap, then duck tape some wood to make a handle🤓
Wrap. Duct.
Busse knives look cool, but they are not worth what they charge for them. Especially, when you can get an Esee or Becker they cuts almost the same, but costs 1/6th what a Busse does. You can get a Bark River in 3V or CruWear for 1/2 the price and it will perform circles around a Busse....IMHO...
@Johnny Ra
You get what you pay for in Busse. I go for the Swamp Rat and SYKCO lines and they are a good price for the quality. My Ratmandu in Infi is a knife that will outlast an Esee. And I got a Rodent 9 on the secondary market for $200.
Perfect for apocalisse time or bines crushing.
I gotta tell ya, me wifie dulls our expensive damascus kitchen blades so fast by drawing across her cutting board, which is made of bambo. The worst stuff to cut on. buhu!
I read INFI is 1095 with their heat treat??? Any one know for sure?
nah got way less carbon and chromium, check my first video on it for the composition of the steel
Infi is A8mod with Busse's proprietary heat treat 👍
you cant buy a new bark river for half the price of the busse tglb, this knife cost 347.00 new and a comparable bark river knife in 3v is about the same price.just the facts sir.
well the TGLB did come with a sheath, a spec ops.and the reason the dont supply sheaths is to give business to sheath makers.
Bark River all day! #BusseBlows
I got interested in Busse knives for a moment, until, I saw the prices... No thanks, thats not for me. I stay with my Fallknivens. Cheers.
Fallkniven are way overpriced too
@@adods9824 Indeed, the new series really are...
nice knife bro i got a busse badger attack for sale or trade looking for a game warden
Busses knives are overrated save your money there better other knives to be had.
That chewed up the cutting board.
I have wanted one of these blades for ages, but, I have to say, I would feel fairly cheated to spend the $500+ on a Busse only to have edge retention that poor. I think the quality is great, but that is some egregiously poor steel performance for that price of a blade.
Had to be done lol
Busse is over rated,over priced
definitely a polarizing brand. Its a nice knife but with the advent of JX5s and such at half the price, they have their competition these days
100% Agree, LOVE my JX5.Got 20+ hours on it.
I think it is the best bag for the buck ,big knife. Right in the sweet spot of size/weight.
3V and convex to boot.
*Are you a Mark Hunt fan?
Where did you get this info from?
Overhyped... eatadikk
Correct! #BusseBlows
Yuck! I'd give them $20 for that gross pry bar.
Over hyped crap. Just buy a pretty good knife that actually cuts, a crowbar and a hammer. Have lots more versatility and be way under $100.
@Jas Holden
Some people entrust their lives to a knife and "pretty good" just doesn't cut it.😉
@@blainwilson7937 #BusseBlows
@Dino Nucci
Don’t you talk about my sharpened crowbars like that!
@@blainwilson7937 my bad