Clear headed, concise and beautifully articulated...this is the perfect unpeeling of the last layers of my mormon indoctrination union. It's all here. Thank you John and Luna!!
I grew up Seventh Day Adventist and was able to study my way out of the cult. When you are taught your whole life that the devil will cause many to fall away from the one true church in the "last days", leaving becomes very scary. Your eternal salvation is on the line. If you are not keeping the Sabbath after knowing the "truth" there is no hope for you. It is hard when you were programed since birth to look at the religion objectively and feel confident in your decision to reject it. This series will help so many feel more comfortable in leaving high demand religions and teaches them how to take a critical look at what they believe. Thank you
Thank you for opening your heart like this. It needs love, curiosity, mindful, and plenty of time to research! Thanks for your work of spreading the ttatt, as 1 ex-jw will 😀😁😂😃😄😅😆☺😊😊😉
@@catmeow333 they know some people will "fall off the path" so they make it a part of the end time events. It has been the end times for the Adventist church since 1844 and people have been leaving since the great disappointment. Crazy how many stayed and how many people still join a cult founded on failed prophecy. But the it is the Devil blinding us to the truth if we leave and because they tell us many will be pulled away in the end times it gives the churches such power to make us terrified of the consequences of leaving and rejecting the one way to heaven. It is why so many people stay and continue to follow the guidelines they were raised with. They longer and farther you get from the brainwashing the clearer you see the control and manipulation.
@@catmeow333 Isn't it amazing to have these forum's to gain insight and strength from other who have been in a similar situation? I find it fascinating to listen to Mormons, JW, Adventists and others share their experiences and how they figured out it was all a lie. The stories of others help me so much because without knowing others who have left brainwashing and indoctrination you feel so alone and I think that can be the hardest to overcome. The community aspect of the cults is what a lot of people seek when they join and have the hardest time leaving. Occasional doubt is not unhealthy, I think it is good to go back when you have those feelings and read or watch something that you know is untrue about the cult. When I have doubts, I think about the ?prophet? Ellen White saying things like people who smoke wont be in heaven, or that women should wear dresses with pants under them. Weird little crazy things that, if you are still Christian, are not biblical. It renews my faith in myself that I made the right decision when I left. The harsh self judgement is so hard to overcome and not having the rules feels strange. I love that we can all relate to the feelings you are having! You are a part of a huge community of EX's and we are all healing together by sharing our stories.
@@lisbethsalander1723 honestly, everything on Jonathan's "thinker of thoughts" channel is so good and helpful! Everything with Luna Lindsey has been especially helpful for me as well. You can find a lot of good content on his channel 😊
When the expectations are unspoken it's so hard to identify what's happening or explain it to anyone else. So I'm confused, frustrated, full of rage, but can't put anything to words and don't even know why I feel that way.
You are not alone! You are part of a community of people who have experienced the same feelings and found a way out. It is a process, a path, and we all do it differently. There is no right or wrong way. Don't deny your feelings and keep searching for truth.
I understand what John means when he says that Mormonism "isn't as bad" as Scientology, but as was said in a previous episode, "wanting to die is wanting to die". It doesn't matter how nicely the news was delivered to you that you should not exist and your natural being is a sin. That being said, I think I would have flunked out of Scientology as a teen. But I could see myself being a hardcore dedicated Mormon for decades. I could have suppressed my unholy thoughts about Angelina Jolie as a kid, but my life would have been torture internally, and I would have hated being a stay-at-home young mother more than anything. Sometimes when listening to Mormon Stories, I feel like a ghost of another life walks through me and I shudder with who I might have been. Having been very close to a group Mormons when I was young, I am shocked by all of these stories. I only ever saw the shiny happy plastic distractions they wanted me to see. These are often impossibly difficult stories to tell, but I am grateful I am able to listen.
I was born into Mormonism, and reading your comment, I feel a ghost of a life I could have had without Mormonism, and it kinda breaks my heart. It's so nice to think about someone who had the other path and is now listening to these stories with empathy. Oh, and I too had a crush on Angelina 😂
Love bombing is so addictive and in abusive relationships it's extremely hard because I had been in one and the narcissist they can turn it on and off like a light switch and it makes it very hard to leave I'm so thankful I'm not with my abuser or not living with them but it is hard to get out of dislike when you're in a church like this
As a one time believer; I went to a church marriage counselor, because I had faith in them. I didnt even imagine, that theyd belittle me, and objectify me, like they did!!!
I remember being 6 or 7 and wishing I could die (in a car accident or something hopefully painless) before I was baptized as I'd heard those that died before they could be baptized (anyone under 8) would automatically go to the celestial kingdom. I wasn't depressed or bullied...just religious scrupulosity.
I came across Luna's book in trying to understand mormons since I am a nonmormon living all around mormons in southern Utah. One of the practices of mormons that makes me not trust mormons is their "friendshipping" process. We were dropped as "friends" because we were not buying the morman faith and did not act on the invites to church. We now look at active members as superficial and devious.
When you make people feel “Special” and therefore elite, you can exercise enormous control over them. Generally people want to be highly thought of, and will do almost anything to keep their status. “ The One True “ church endlessly feeds this narrative to members making them sycophants to the “Brethren”. BINGO. Great podcast yet again. 👌🏽
@@mrs.therapist6122 WTH what a piece of self righteous work you are, talk about exploiting people who were harmed and traumatized by the lies of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! You really need to listen more more than share how positive your life was I a cult😖
Even if one does not consider the breakdown of coercive techniques, people who are mentally healthy, living happy lives without major challenges/hardships, are far more difficult to lure into cults than those who are not. They are also better able to think logically than submit to any kind of pressure, or be in need of material and/or financial help.
This is my second time through this episode and this question popped up again for me, what exactly constitutes “true motherhood”? Some of the phrases the church leaders use are so loaded with vague but important sounding words. “True motherhood” strikes me as one of those. Women will fill in the meaning of that, and you know it’s going to be something that is lofty, probably unattainable for that person because we are always fed messages that we could be doing more and doing it better than we are now. Someone could take it to mean bearing biological children and that’s super problematic too, so emotionally harmful.
In Nxivm DOS, 1st line slave masters kept up the sordid pressure up on their slaves (all supposedly friends or peers) on behalf of Raniere - delegated Manipulation ...humm..
Test everything question everything exam do research to find out the truth about what that organization believes in or does it is your right to have freedom of choice
Dispensing of existence was and probably is permitted for apostates and LBGTQ in Islam - a grievous concern for ex-muslims in their own country with archaic Islamic Law and mindset. A blogger couple Abhijit Roy and his wife (ex- muslim) were grievously attacked during a trip back to their native Bangladesh. The husband died and the wife survived with serious injuries.
17 They were once a delightsome people, and they had Christ for their shepherd; yea, they were led even by God the Father. 18 But now, behold, they are led about by Satan, even as chaff is driven before the wind, or as a vessel is tossed about upon the waves, without sail or anchor, or without anything wherewith to steer her; and even as she is, so are they
Truly a great series, glad I stumbled across this. Thanks! That said, the whole "evil white men" schtick needs to stop. Most white men do not want to hurt anybody. Some men will hear this adopt a terrible shame complex. But more will just get pissed off and become antagonistic toward social justice aims.
I'm watching this in 2024, after Jodi Hildebrandt has been arrested and convicted for child abuse. John and Luna's response to Dan at about 3 hours seem to have predicted what happened with Jodi.
We should hold hands together for a world wide view. . ! ? Ca se peux pas. . . Maman n'a pas d'accent. Pauvres enfants . . . Tous ceux pcq on connaissaient pas. J' ai mal au Coeur, le mal de mere. J' aurais tellement t' aimer.
So what you have not mentioned is that some gay members of the church may decide to refrain from sexual relationships of any kind in order not to violate their religious values.
Clear headed, concise and beautifully articulated...this is the perfect unpeeling of the last layers of my mormon indoctrination union. It's all here. Thank you John and Luna!!
I grew up Seventh Day Adventist and was able to study my way out of the cult. When you are taught your whole life that the devil will cause many to fall away from the one true church in the "last days", leaving becomes very scary. Your eternal salvation is on the line. If you are not keeping the Sabbath after knowing the "truth" there is no hope for you. It is hard when you were programed since birth to look at the religion objectively and feel confident in your decision to reject it. This series will help so many feel more comfortable in leaving high demand religions and teaches them how to take a critical look at what they believe. Thank you
Wow! I can't wait. .🤗❣💚💙💗💖💕💓💛💜💞
It is really near the beliefs jehovah's witnesses
I wish you the best for your life! !!
Thank you for opening your heart like this. It needs love, curiosity, mindful, and plenty of time to research!
Thanks for your work of spreading the ttatt, as 1 ex-jw will 😀😁😂😃😄😅😆☺😊😊😉
@@catmeow333 they know some people will "fall off the path" so they make it a part of the end time events. It has been the end times for the Adventist church since 1844 and people have been leaving since the great disappointment. Crazy how many stayed and how many people still join a cult founded on failed prophecy. But the it is the Devil blinding us to the truth if we leave and because they tell us many will be pulled away in the end times it gives the churches such power to make us terrified of the consequences of leaving and rejecting the one way to heaven. It is why so many people stay and continue to follow the guidelines they were raised with. They longer and farther you get from the brainwashing the clearer you see the control and manipulation.
@@catmeow333 Isn't it amazing to have these forum's to gain insight and strength from other who have been in a similar situation? I find it fascinating to listen to Mormons, JW, Adventists and others share their experiences and how they figured out it was all a lie. The stories of others help me so much because without knowing others who have left brainwashing and indoctrination you feel so alone and I think that can be the hardest to overcome. The community aspect of the cults is what a lot of people seek when they join and have the hardest time leaving. Occasional doubt is not unhealthy, I think it is good to go back when you have those feelings and read or watch something that you know is untrue about the cult. When I have doubts, I think about the ?prophet? Ellen White saying things like people who smoke wont be in heaven, or that women should wear dresses with pants under them. Weird little crazy things that, if you are still Christian, are not biblical. It renews my faith in myself that I made the right decision when I left. The harsh self judgement is so hard to overcome and not having the rules feels strange. I love that we can all relate to the feelings you are having! You are a part of a huge community of EX's and we are all healing together by sharing our stories.
This ranks up there as one of the top 10 Mormon Stories series
I completely agree!
100% agree! Amazing series of episodes by Luna and John!
Absolutely agree.
So so grateful for this series truly truly !!!!!! Thank you my entire 15 people family
Luna's work with Johnathan Streeter helped me so so so much in deconstructing the manipulation in the church. Loving these videos ❤️❤️❤️
where to find that work? appreciate!
@@lisbethsalander1723 ruclips.net/video/DhBxSQblVK8/видео.html
@@lisbethsalander1723 honestly, everything on Jonathan's "thinker of thoughts" channel is so good and helpful! Everything with Luna Lindsey has been especially helpful for me as well. You can find a lot of good content on his channel 😊
When the expectations are unspoken it's so hard to identify what's happening or explain it to anyone else. So I'm confused, frustrated, full of rage, but can't put anything to words and don't even know why I feel that way.
@@mrs.therapist6122 you know it isn't true but stay anyway? Why?
You are not alone! You are part of a community of people who have experienced the same feelings and found a way out. It is a process, a path, and we all do it differently. There is no right or wrong way. Don't deny your feelings and keep searching for truth.
@@akgirl1830 Thank you
WOW! Just excellent beauty of the words. ...
I bought both Recovering Agency and the companion, BITE Model ebooks. So good!
This series is excellent, I am really enjoying it!
Thank you, Luna and John! ❤️
I understand what John means when he says that Mormonism "isn't as bad" as Scientology, but as was said in a previous episode, "wanting to die is wanting to die". It doesn't matter how nicely the news was delivered to you that you should not exist and your natural being is a sin.
That being said, I think I would have flunked out of Scientology as a teen. But I could see myself being a hardcore dedicated Mormon for decades. I could have suppressed my unholy thoughts about Angelina Jolie as a kid, but my life would have been torture internally, and I would have hated being a stay-at-home young mother more than anything. Sometimes when listening to Mormon Stories, I feel like a ghost of another life walks through me and I shudder with who I might have been.
Having been very close to a group Mormons when I was young, I am shocked by all of these stories. I only ever saw the shiny happy plastic distractions they wanted me to see. These are often impossibly difficult stories to tell, but I am grateful I am able to listen.
I was born into Mormonism, and reading your comment, I feel a ghost of a life I could have had without Mormonism, and it kinda breaks my heart. It's so nice to think about someone who had the other path and is now listening to these stories with empathy. Oh, and I too had a crush on Angelina 😂
Love bombing is so addictive and in abusive relationships it's extremely hard because I had been in one and the narcissist they can turn it on and off like a light switch and it makes it very hard to leave I'm so thankful I'm not with my abuser or not living with them but it is hard to get out of dislike when you're in a church like this
Luna is a fantastic scholar. Thank you!
As a one time believer; I went to a church marriage counselor, because I had faith in them. I didnt even imagine, that theyd belittle me, and objectify me, like they did!!!
Luna is brilliant! This book is so invaluable.
I remember being 6 or 7 and wishing I could die (in a car accident or something hopefully painless) before I was baptized as I'd heard those that died before they could be baptized (anyone under 8) would automatically go to the celestial kingdom. I wasn't depressed or bullied...just religious scrupulosity.
I came across Luna's book in trying to understand mormons since I am a nonmormon living all around mormons in southern Utah. One of the practices of mormons that makes me not trust mormons is their "friendshipping" process. We were dropped as "friends" because we were not buying the morman faith and did not act on the invites to church. We now look at active members as superficial and devious.
When you make people feel “Special” and therefore elite, you can exercise enormous control over them. Generally people want to be highly thought of, and will do almost anything to keep their status. “ The One True “ church endlessly feeds this narrative to members making them sycophants to the “Brethren”. BINGO. Great podcast yet again. 👌🏽
@@mrs.therapist6122 Lucky you….🥳 others are not so blessed.
@@mrs.therapist6122 I know people torn to pieces by this organization, and it’s extremely hard to deal with.
@@mrs.therapist6122 No thanks I’m good…but perhaps you can help those stuck in mormoncorp…👌🏽
@@mrs.therapist6122 WTH what a piece of self righteous work you are, talk about exploiting people who were harmed and traumatized by the lies of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! You really need to listen more more than share how positive your life was I a cult😖
Even if one does not consider the breakdown of coercive techniques, people who are mentally healthy, living happy lives without major challenges/hardships, are far more difficult to lure into cults than those who are not. They are also better able to think logically than submit to any kind of pressure, or be in need of material and/or financial help.
This is my second time through this episode and this question popped up again for me, what exactly constitutes “true motherhood”? Some of the phrases the church leaders use are so loaded with vague but important sounding words. “True motherhood” strikes me as one of those. Women will fill in the meaning of that, and you know it’s going to be something that is lofty, probably unattainable for that person because we are always fed messages that we could be doing more and doing it better than we are now. Someone could take it to mean bearing biological children and that’s super problematic too, so emotionally harmful.
I love how the church will never speak against MLMs just dance around it like "weeell they meant just don't join ponzi schemes and stuff like that"
How true, and quite a few make fortunes from them, and those of us who are foolish enough to sign up while they do that.
In Nxivm DOS, 1st line slave masters kept up the sordid pressure up on their slaves (all supposedly friends or peers) on behalf of Raniere - delegated Manipulation ...humm..
Test everything question everything exam do research to find out the truth about what that organization believes in or does it is your right to have freedom of choice
This guest is more Christ-like than anyone who ever pretended to like me in my ward.
If i wasn't convinced it was a cult before, finding out you guys can't even have your own individual jello preferences sealed the deal
Woot!!!🎉
Dispensing of existence was and probably is permitted for apostates and LBGTQ in Islam - a grievous concern for ex-muslims in their own country with archaic Islamic Law and mindset. A blogger couple Abhijit Roy and his wife (ex- muslim) were grievously attacked during a trip back to their native Bangladesh. The husband died and the wife survived with serious injuries.
17 They were once a delightsome people, and they had Christ for their shepherd; yea, they were led even by God the Father.
18 But now, behold, they are led about by Satan, even as chaff is driven before the wind, or as a vessel is tossed about upon the waves, without sail or anchor, or without anything wherewith to steer her; and even as she is, so are they
Truly a great series, glad I stumbled across this. Thanks!
That said, the whole "evil white men" schtick needs to stop. Most white men do not want to hurt anybody. Some men will hear this adopt a terrible shame complex. But more will just get pissed off and become antagonistic toward social justice aims.
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I'm watching this in 2024, after Jodi Hildebrandt has been arrested and convicted for child abuse. John and Luna's response to Dan at about 3 hours seem to have predicted what happened with Jodi.
"CAKE OR DEATH?"
We should hold hands together for a world wide view. . ! ? Ca se peux pas. . . Maman n'a pas d'accent.
Pauvres enfants . . . Tous ceux pcq on connaissaient pas. J' ai mal au Coeur, le mal de mere. J' aurais tellement t' aimer.
So what you have not mentioned is that some gay members of the church may decide to refrain from sexual relationships of any kind in order not to violate their religious values.
That was supposed to be onion...not union.
Buddhists harmed their peaceful image in Myanmar and in Cambodia.
Mcafee
Misandry, reverse racism and sexism on Luna's part.