Top 10 Cards that Could be Broken
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
- A lot of the time, cards aren’t all that great by themselves. It often takes a specific combination of cards to make a truly broken strategy. It can often take years for a card to find their partner to allow them to become truly broken, but people will often have their eyes on cards for quite a while before it gets that support. Today, we’re going to go over a bunch of cards that, in the right circumstances, could be incredibly powerful.
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├ The List
Intro: (0:00)
10: Rona, Herald of Invasion: (0:22)
9: Drannith Magistrate: (2:06)
8: Diregraf Rebirth: (3:17)
7: Reconstruct History: (5:30)
6: Kykar, Wind’s Fury: (6:59)
5: Chandra’s Incinerator: (8:20)
4: Acererak the Archlich: (9:48)
3: Prime Speaker Vannifar: (12:04)
2: Sundial of the Infinite: (13:55)
1: Defiler of Instinct: (15:29)
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(Just a note, we have people who actually know the game very well making the scripts for this channel. As the owner of the channel (Theduellogs/hirumaredx) is a total newbie to the game.)
There actually IS a card that breaks Rona and Mox Amber legal in Pioneer: Retraction Helix. AmmiO2 made a whole video on it but I’ll go through it quickly here. It’s an instant for one blue mana that give a creature the ability to tap and bounce a non land permanent until end of turn. So, give that ability to Rona, float a blue (or any color of mana that you have a legendary creature or planeswalker for, Rona herself provides blue) mana from Mox Amber, and then tap Rona to bounce the Amber, Crucially, the Amber can be replayed for free, and Rona will untap since Amber is a legendary spell. You can therefore float another mana, bounce Amber again, and repeat infinitely. From there, you can win with a card like Fae of Wishes grabbing win conditions like Jace Weilder of Mysteries (which can plus 1 to mill some cards and draw a card, be bounced with Rona thanks to Helix, and replayed to use the plus one again and untap Rona since its also a legendary spell, looping with your infinite mana) and eventually win off of Jace’s passive of winning the game when you try to draw with no cards in your library.
Accerak also goes infinite with Rooftop Storm (which is legal in modern), but the combo is also too slow for modern
I use this combo in my dungeon commander deck built around Sefris. It’s not too hard to pull off but it is not consistent. I do enjoy pulling it off though.
Paradox engine
And sol ring. And ANY way to tap and get ONE swamp mana
Drannith Magistrate was designed to be used as a counter to decks running the companion mechanic. It's unfortunate that they errata'd the card, which bypassed Drannith's restriction.
Rona is absolutely a pet card of mine. I put her in my Ludevic, Necrogenius deck and it's kind of absurd how fast she fills graveyards.
Rogues gallery is the secret Rona tech. Can filter through creatures and get them back later. With plaza of heroes up and new capenna legendary creatures with dual color costs it's very nice
I have a standard Sultai Legends deck on arena, and I can confidently say Rona is an absolute powerhouse even without Mox Amber. Relic of Legends is a mana rock that has the additional benefit of being able to tap legendary creatures for mana. You can tap Rona to the relic to cast a legendary spell to immediately untap Rona, and there are a lot of cheap legends in standard to make it work. Proft's Eidetic Memory is a favorite of mine because it also gives counters from Rona's own ability.
"There are three dungeons"
Yoda: there is another
Kykar bird tribal is one my favourite fringe builds on arena historic. Empyrean eagle as the 3 drop supreme phantom as the two drop, plus quasidulplicaye and spark double allowing for multiple kykars and more lords
I love this DuelLogs. I always found your YGO stuff very obvious, like “yea duh everyone knows this” but this channel is great because every video is something super obscure and I learn something new
one other way to use sundial is to activate the effect of sundial in response to a bunch of triggers at the end off the turn that would remove tokens or reanimated creatures from the game (like the upcoming Sliver Gravemother from Commander Masters or Chandra, Flamecaller or similar effects) since the effect would be triggered but because of sundial not resolve those created tokens would stay infinitely
Rona, Herald of Invasion with Banishing Knack/Retraction Helix and Mox Amber/Mox opal is an infinite mana combo. At no point do you do the "Draw a card, discard a card."
While not particularly powerful, I run a Donal, Herald of Wings decks with Faerie Miscreant, Faerie Seer, Faerie Impostor, Barrin Tolarian Archmage, and defiler of dreams. Come defiler, faerie loops, drawing cards and putting counter magic in hand creates a quick "critical mass" kind of situation.
Acerak with gwenna and a semblance anvil on creature breaks the game reliably quickly
Or a Bontu’s Monument if you want a Pioneer combo
could you do such videos like every month or every other week? shows very cool buildarounds and remembers on potentially broken cards. btw great channel enjoy vids every time
I use an Acererak combo deck. It uses Gwenna and Bontu's monument, mostly. I also run Soul Broker Davriel and try to get the "B less to cast" along with Goreclaw. Bouncing Acererak from my graveyard with Balduvian Atrocity has saved me a few times.
I use Chandra's incinerator in a pinger tribal/burn hybrid deck in pioneer and it's a bit shocking how consistent the deck is. It either wins on turn 3-4 or slams a huge threat with burn still in hand or on the field
Would you be willing to share your list?
Sounds fun!
It's amazing in my Ghyrson Starn, Kelermorph Commanerd deck, any ping to an opponent's face turns into effectively a lightning bolt and a shock on that opponent's creatures.
10:23 the fact that this needs to be explained illustrates how poorly this mechanic was recieved.
Rogues galley is reconstruct history but for creatures of each color.
Slap it on a legendary rona deck and you get to filter through the cards you need and still have get card advantage later.
I suspect that Maskwood Nexus could be broken if there was a way to use multiple creatures that care about different creature types that fit with in a certain theme. For example, Rotlung Reanimator and Bishop of Wings produce tokens when their chosen type dies, If a Card was both and Angel and a cleric, both would trigger. Since the tokens would also be Angels and Clerics, you would have an endless supply of tokens to sacrifice.
I've heard of the lich combo infinite I just wasn't 100% sure where it was legal and where it wasn't. But of all of them that one I think was the most surprising on the list where they've already had to address the issue
I have acererak in my UB zombie commander deck and it combos with rooftop storm
I still remember when Day's Undoing was the poster child of "this card will definitely be broken...one day..."
In historic there is Bloodsprout Talisman that perpetually reduces any card's CMC by (1), it fits perfectly into acererak infinite combo.
I e been playing reconstruct history in my historic mardu control deck, which has at least one 4-of of every type it can fetch. Portable hole, vanishing verse, doomskar, showdown of the skalds, and the forgotten realms planeswalkers. Nothing makes someone scoop faster than not letting them play for several turns, then refilling your hand with all the cards to do it again.
I used to run a deck that featured Defiler of Faith alongside Soul Warden, Kor Skyfisher, and Oketra's Monument:
- Soul Warden is a 1-mana 1/1 that gives you 1 Life whenever a creature enters the battlefield
- Kor Skyfisher is a 1W 2/3 that bounces a permanent you control when it enters the battlefield
- Oketra's Monument is a 3-mana Legendary Artifact that reduces the cost of your White creatures by 1 Generic, and creates a 1/1 Warrior creature whenever you cast a creature spell
With Monument and Defiler reducing Skyfisher's casting cost to 0, you can cast him for free, get extra creature tokens out of Defiler and Monument, then have him bounce himself and do it all again. And with Soul Warden gaining you Life off of each of those creatures, you actually gain more Life than what you pay for Defiler's effect. In other words, infinite creatures + infinite life.
The main problem I had with it was, since I was running it Mono-White, I had limited options for things like Card Draw and Removal - plus, any sort of Removal spell would stop the combo dead in its tracks:
- Removing Soul Warden means I'm no longer gaining Life off those ETB's, which means I have to pay more attention to how much I'm giving to Defiler
- Removing Monument or Defiler means I have to pay either 1 or W for each casting of Skyfisher, which puts a hard limit on how many times per turn it can be done. Also, I'm no longer generating tokens afterward.
Which format and game environment?
I built a version for kitchen table magic where I adressed the problems you stated with Mentor of the Meek for card draw and Emeria, Sky Ruin for (late game) recursion of combo pieces; but especially the latter depends heavily on a slow multiplayer format (think constructed but with commander starting life).
when talking about accerak it also has potential along side heartless summoning, when also paired with relic of legends is infinite
Sundial of the Infinite is incredibly strong in many red decks that rely on exiled cards, such as decks with Ob Nixilis, Captive Kingpin as the commander. It can be activated during second main so the end step trigger of the exiled cards never occurs, allowing you to get an effectively unlimited hand size.
It depends on the wording. Some effects are worded "exile it at the next end step" while others are "exile it at the end of your turn". I should check Gatherer for that
Notably, this only works because of the strange duration Ob has (it's only on this Ob, Riveteers Charm, Unlucky Witness, and Rocco, Street Chef, all cards featuring stuff on the plane of New Capenna). Instead of saying "until the end of your next turn" like other similar effects, he says "until your next end step". Sundial skips all steps up until the cleanup step, which is the second half of the ending phase (end step is the first half). Since the end step never occurred, the duration hasn't met the condition to end yet.
Just so it's clear, effects with a duration "until end of turn" or a variation of it like "until the end of your next turn", will stop during the cleanup step of the specified turn, so Sundial will not let you extend their duration. It doesn't actually help with most of red's impulse draw, just those four cards from New Capenna and MoM: Aftermath.
Personally, I find it very weird that Collected Conjuring never really got into any deck. Maybe it'll eventually have a shell to fit in.
I think the big problem is that it only casts sorcery cards, and a lot of the applicable sorceries that see play are discard effects, very specific removal, cantrips, or X spells, all of which aren't great to be cast mostly randomly or for such a high cost.
The only place it would really have a home is in Mill strategies, where you can get things like Tasha's Hideous Laughter, Fractured Sanity, and Glimpse the Unthinkable. The problem there is the relatively small number of big mill sorceries to hit.
The suspend sorceries could also be good hits, but you are often better off just cascading into them since it can be guaranteed and done sooner.
8.jesus youre too right im so surprised nobodies been doing somthing with it in standard atraxa
Acererak was a easy put in Wilhelt zombie deck rooftop storm instant loop
Any card that can untap anything is a combo piece or will be someday
Bro what about rooftop storm I use that and acererak in my zombie deck.
Vannifar is a lot of fun in commander. Course, she makes me public enemy #1 the minute she hits the board, since she's as subtle as a flying brick, but still.
i'm so glad defiler is in here. i kee telling everyone its absolute gas in standard mono red
Drannith Magistrate and uba mask would achieve the same thing as urabrask but isn't bound to a color, is an artifact instead of a creature so a lil more difficult to remove and costs 1 mana less.
Uba mask isnt legal in pioneer
10. I find it baffling that Rona's front side is preferable than her back side.
4. Fun fact: Acererak's second ability is buff to guarantee token generation consistently. The reasoning is probably to ensure that there's a reason to WANT his second ability.
Some just prefer T over A.
The issue with rona's back side is that it's basically a 7 mana creature that dies to removal without doing anything first. At 7 mana, you can do ridiculous stuff, and rona can't compete with those.
Acerak is broken in Historic Brawl, since Paradox Engine is legal in that format.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Prye of Heroes when you were talking about Vannifar. It does almost the same exact thing, albeit with a different kind of restriction, but avoids the need for haste.
Pyre has two downsides compared to Vannifar.
First, it costs two mana to activate. That means to really break it, you need to be able to generate a lot of mana to pay for that cost, and if you have that mana, why not just win with one of the many X spells in the game that can outright kill your opponent. For a little context, Vannifar combos have her get activated over six times in a single turn (often more), so it would cost over 12 mana to get Pyre to do the same thing.
Second, Pyre's restriction makes it much more difficult to actually grab the proper pieces in the order you need to combo off. These combo cards have a very wide variety of creature types without much, if any, overlap.
Pyre is much more workable in a "fair" deck looking to use it over multiple turns as a toolbox, helping get what you need when you need it, but that is often too slow for competitive formats. I play it in my Wilhelt zombie commander deck, and it can pull out lords, combo pieces, etc., and can lead to building a solid board over multiple turns with just a Gravecrawler (which can be pulled from the deck using a zombie token).
@@connorhamilton5707 Thank you for the explanation 👍
"Those are cards that COULD be broken in the future:
Drannith Magistrate"
Side eyes for Commander players everywhere.
(I mean, yeah, it's not Thassa's Oracle broken, but I think that it's pretty much in that nice already).
MTG really out here naming cards "Asscrack the Arselick"
Gwenna + BONTU'S MONUMENT makes Acererak free to cast in MTGA's historic format. A bit more needed than the Legacy idea, but it's a lot more consistent than it deserves to be, especially since the deck is legendary spam.
Edit: Remembered the wrong card. Deck I lost also used Bard Class in a secondary combo, with Gwenna + Bontu + Acererak as the main. Salted me a bit when I first ran into it.
Bard Class does not help with casting Acererak, since Acererak does not have a red or green cost to be cast that can be reduced. Your listed combo does not actually work.
Gwenna + Bontu's monument is my favorite. I also run Soul Broker Davriel and try to get the "B less to cast" along with Goreclaw.
Sundial of the Infinite is good with Ob Nixilis, Captive Kingpin
Ok I highkey love Sundial of the infinite. I hope something or someone figures out something that can make it more worthwhile. It gives me (from yugioh) Mischielf of the Time Goddess vibes just minus the going back into battle/combat phase.
Obeka, Brute Chronologist is this effect on a stick. I love it.
I did very well on a pre release with rona
there are probably some better ways than Rooftop Storm + Acerak , which is infinite as well, but I mainly play commander so no clue
I run a Rona cedh deck with Retraction Helix to go infinite with Mox Amber.
drannith magistrate works amazing with knowledge pool
Kykar is one of the best creatureless commanders, [[Divergent Transformatin]] into win.
Just going to put this here, but Magistrate is a pain in the ass when you're playing Commander.
Rona + Relic of Legends
Each Legendary cost one of any color less to cast
Actually aluren is a good deck in Legacy, it resurged. Its definitely not the best deck but its viable
i like this gentleman hasnt played commander. cause vannifar is amazing in cedh. especially if you want a budget cedh deck.
Shrieking Drake + blue defiler. 😅
Drannith Magistrate is very broken in EDH
"Top 10 Legendary Dragons."
Explorer is essentially pioneer its not a historic alternative so adding explorer is pointless
I laughed when I saw Reconstructed History on this list. 4 mana sorcery with no board impact that at its best is extremely situational of having all those things in the yard (which implies the uses of a specific self mill strat).
This card is actually bad. If it was an instant it would be x3 better and still be mediocre. At least at instant speed it wouldn’t telegraph your next move and you would be able to hold up your mana until your op’s end phase to at least make them fear something but no, it’s a sorcery. Bad card
Urabrask/ Chandras Incinerator
Fairly sure Acererak goes infinite in some legacy deck that uses dungeons.
Sundial turns is tier one in penny dreadful
Why is new urabrask not number 1?
Because new Urabrask is too fair.
Compare him to Birgi. He costs one more to play, meaning he gets out slower, allowing the opponent more time to build up some pressure or find removal. He only works on casting instants and sorceries, instead of on casting anything. While not as relevant, he also doesn't let you keep the mana across steps and phases, so you have to do everything you want to at one point during the turn, and if that happens to be during your opponents turn they can attempt to move the turn forward to waste your floating mana. Also not very relevant, but duplicate Birgis can be turned into a card advantage engine pretty easily, while duplicate Urabrasks require a heavy investment of resources to turn into a very slow, but upgraded, Past in Flames.
All these downsides, for a ping to target opponent in addition to the mana generated.
Rona can kind of already be taken off the list because she already has an existing good deck in Pioneer.
Aluren players when you say the deck isn't a deck anymore.
I don't understand. Why we cannot complete the dungeon required by Acecerak? Is it because of the format ?
Completing acerak's dungeon means it no longer bounces itself. Having a reusable dungeon enter trigger is better than having a creature.
"4 Hearthstone/YGO players play Commander" w/ any MTG content creator guest-judges the match
Oriss
Vesuvan duplimancy
TIL
You also do magic
This is a pretty interesting video.... but i have one issue. He only seems to focus on formats other than commander. Like for Dranith Magistrate, never mentioned that it shuts down any commander focused strategies.
I find your lack of uba mask with dranith magistrate disgusting
This is also why, again, these videos must be divided by format.
Because, for example, one of the formats Sundial is legal in is Commander. But Sundial CAN'T be broken in commander, for a simple reason: Obeka.
In vintage or any other format Obeka would have the same issue Vannafar had, and despite the upsides would be significantly worse than Sundial. In Commander, however, the fact that it can be the commander (and works with the card you want Sundial for) makes it actually a better option despite being more difficult to cast and easier to remove. So any strategy there would just break Obeka first.
they spelled complete wrong on Rona lol
No, Compleation [sic] is a Thing in the lore.
Magic: The Gathering is quickly becoming Yu-Gi-Oh...
MTG has had decks in older formats that could win on turn 0 before. This stuff is pretty tame in comparison.
@@connorhamilton5707 What I mean is that Magic has turned into mostly library and graveyard manipulation.
@@Devoguy I think you need to experience more of Magic if you don't think that has already been a big part of the game for a long time. Stocking your graveyard for profit and tutoring or otherwise manipulating your library, plus trying to counter those strategies, isn't new.
Brainstorming correctly is a meme, but really does show off how important manipulating your library has been throughout the games history.
Dredge, a self-mill mechanic, having decks named after it highlights how valuable the graveyard can be, and on the other end players putting graveyard hate in their sideboards shows how much of a threat it can be.
@@connorhamilton5707 I started playing when Antiquities is new, and stopped when planeswalkers started coming into the game, I know what that game is. My point is that the current game is almost nothing but graveyard, hand and library manipulation. There's no luck or strategy involved. It's who ever can get their combos together fastest. That's Yu-Gi-Oh playing.
@@Devoguy Once again, those are not new aspects to the game, and are actually more prominent in formats using older cards.
Magic is not a solved game (as in, one strategy is so consistent and strong that it outclasses the rest in its format). Luck and strategy/tactics still play a big part in every format. If a format ever does manage to get solved, or seems close to it, then the problem cards get banned to fix that issue. Some newer examples include Lurrus being banned in Vintage (before the Companion change) because using a Black Lotus/LED to cast a creature that lets you cast that Black Lotus/LED again every turn is very strong; and Arcum's Astrolabe being banned in multiple formats for enabling the easy use of four and five color strategies while also being a cantrip and helping snow strategies.
Given your statement about having stopped when planeswalkers got introduced, I think you need to actually spend more time playing the current game before you can really judge it. I suggest the Pauper format, both for being relatively cheap and because it is often considered Legacy-Lite, having a healthy format supporting all types of play styles from aggro to control/tempo, and from midrange to combo. At the same time, I discourage playing the Commander format, since it not only punishes aggro and encourages combo with the significantly higher life totals and social nature of the format, it also provides extra consistency in the form of your commander, which you seem to not be a fan of.
Just going to put this here, but Magistrate is a pain in the ass when you're playing Commander.