i'm LOVING the new physics, the cars now feel like real cars and i can actually FEEL the weight shifting and gripping around the kerbs and bumps. Hope they fix all the bugs
You can actually feel a difference between fwd, rwd, awd around corners now. Each make a significant difference in oversteer/understeer. But this is finally past the cartoon physics of previous patch gt7. It will never compare to ACC.
@@Kirethyou mention so little about comparisons with acc. A 30 minute video that I have watched, about if gt7 killing acc I would except you more to do comparisons or talk about them but it’s more you just going through gt7 challenges talking about the changes and briefly mentioning other sims to comparison. The expectation of the title and the video do not correlate. Thus click bait. It’s a good video overall but personally wouldn’t of clicked it if you hadn’t said acc in the title. Which is frustrating that I fell for it once again.
We've been down this road before , as soon as people complain about the physics PD will pull out the hammer , break the emergency glass and push the red casual button
I’ve got GPro wheel as well and I think it feels terrible after the patch. Are you really fine with how it is now? A lot of people unhappy about it online
@@TheInsaiyan you’re probably right, but it looks like the true force has been really tuned down and honestly I really like it the old way. Change the physics no worries but I think they should give us the option to have our wheels feel the way we like and able to turn up the true force settings
@@mrbobbys1985 I've got the G Pro and I hate the way it feels now. It's lost all of the fidelity and crispness that it had before. As to the comment about little experience of other FFB in simracing.... So what?! Some of us have spent a lot of money and were happy with the way it was. I'd just like the option to have it the way I want it. You could argue that people who've never experience Trueforce have been conditioned to be happy with an inferior FFB model.
@@richh9241 yeah I agree. I’m not complaining about the force feedback at all. That’s fine. But the detail that was provided by true force is all but gone and they need to bring it back. Feels so basic now and lost how immersive it was
@@AFY-GOODLogitech posted a video on their Instagram with the recommended settings, you should follow these. Feels so much better and considerably more realistic
5:08 Thats not correct, you can easily let go of the steering wheel and press the brake fully and the car will continue straight ahead. By the way, you still have ABS on, so the car won't skid out, and there are so many other things that matter, so you can brake without your hands on the steering wheel ( With this lambo). You just have to take a golf or something like that, without ABS please, then it will skid out.
You are supposed to be able to let your hands off when braking and the car to go straight. I watched a video from suellio coaching Random Callsign and he did that as an example for the loose hands braking method which is the best.
I have noticed more body roll and it feels like the car wants to spin out more and it's seems like it's more on ice skates maybe that's just me I'm not a professional but I have noticed a lot more movement in the car
Finally an honest review. I mean I get it. If you are a GT7 channel you don’t want to bash it. Last thing you want is to hurt your own channel. So I get it. That said, there has been ALOT of gaslighting going on around the community.
I''m on a Fanatec DD Pro GT7 version. My initial reaction was that all my road cars now felt like they were on skates, and the force feedback was dead. Since then, I have found that putting a fully customizable suspension to lower the car and by putting race tires on I was able to dial up the missing force feedback. I am enjoying the new physics much better now. Thanks for the great content as always!
Just had this neat glich where my car decided it was going to turn right on a left and full trottle donuts through the infield, my feet were off the gas/break pedals, and my hands werent on the wheel but it proceeded to donut through the infield until i closed the game
That sounds more like a hardware issue, I've not experienced that on controller, But the cars do get unsettled more easily now, going through the compression zone of nurburgring, my car kept snatching off to the left as much as I tried to keep the car settled going through it, I ended up having to put lower profile tires, stiffer anti roll bar, and stiffen dampers beyond what I'd usually set a car up like, but it worked, it took my e36 m3 road car and gave it gr4 like handling 😊
I'm not a pro, I have always loved played GT since GT 3 and I play with a controller on auto. I can't afford all that steering wheel jazz and it's just a game for me. The new physics has ruined it for me. All my pp800 grind cars are way over pp now and if I get them under pp they are crap. So I've gone back to playing red dead instead. GT is broken for me 🤷
I noticed that the grip on the edge of the track is much lower, you can no longer abuse the track limit, many curbs have become impassable. If you touch the grass with the outside wheels while they have traction it is very easy to lose control. During braking I noticed that even with ABS the wheels tend to lock especially with weak ABS, some cars in particular if you brake with the wheels not straight tend to break up a lot. The tires seem to have much more grip but in the endurance races when it marks that they are halfway through use the performance drops much more than before. Some cars have become almost unusable without setup, the new m3 added if modified to the maximum has a sort of bug, the steering wheel seems very stiff as if it had a lot of grip but then suddenly it lightens and the car turns. I find the game different but as you say in the video it seems more like an adjustment of the physics than a complete change
The physics is improved, and the point with improved rally physics is not to be the best but now you can have an enjoyable experince, Not only physics improvments was made either, sounds has got updated for some cars as well. Exhaust notes is less muted and are now more clear than ever before, This was a very major update that changed more for the better than we thought.
They ruined the game and made it unenjoyable not everyone’s driving on a multi thousand dollar wheel and using a controller. They’ve Nerf the bracking and made the cars feel like they don’t fucking stop at all anymore. The cars have terrible lateral geez and they’ve Nerf the PP across-the-board for pretty much all of the cars besides all the wonky glitchy suspension physics, bring the original physics. There was nothing wrong with them.
All these people arguing about physics of cars that 99.9% will never actually drive in real life 😆 all sims are videogames and you arent more of a "real" racer because you play ACC or iRacing 😂
Omg stop, would u pls spare a thought for our hypersensitive iracing and acc racers..you gonna break their hearts if they found out that they aren't larger than life pro racers. 💔
Initial impressions feel like the front suspension rolls more, essentially softer up front by default. Seems like you have to be smoother. Brake balance seems more sensitive too if you move it all the way forward to save rear tires, I’m now getting locking that I didn’t feel before in the Toyota TS050. Also, the battery charges differently in the TS050, it sustains a bit more. My DD+ on v455 felt like 2nm, after 1.49 update. I then updated to v457 with the patch on top that fixes the disconnectivity and so far so good. Previously I had disconnection issues with 457 without the patch so I went back to 455. I have a QR2 and Porsche Podium wheel paired with DD+
Hi Kireth can you help me please because with the version 1.49 car physics it’s the first time I’m actually thinking of quitting GT7 as it’s the first time I can’t physically drive my cars. You see I’m disabled so I use a special old joystick which works in the same way as a D-Pad and I just remap the acceleration / braking / steering to the D-Pad and it works for me. I learned I had to turn the car to work with my joystick so every car has the LSD on 5 5 60 and the brake balance on 5 and full downforce and driving assist … this is the only way I can play the game and I loved it. Now with 1.49 I just can’t drive at all as I just spin round on can’t steer to the point where it’s pointless in me even trying. Are you in touch with the people who make GT7 and if so can you please talk to them on my behalf please? I know my way I play the game isn’t ideal but it worked for me, or rather it did. Do you think I could get the 1.48 physics back so I could at least drive on my own or is the new physics forever now if so I’ll have no choice but to quit GT7?
Agreed the new physics have just lost them thousands of players not everyone’s playing on a steering wheel and people that use controller have just been segregated because the physics have destroyed their gameplay
What happens when you drive a gr3 car? Although I haven’t driven a gr3 car in a very long time the gr4,3,2 etc seem to be what the target was. I don’t know about them rolling back the physics. Maybe we can work together to figure it out. Not trying to toot my own horn but all I do is race road cars and tune. Race in lobbys etc. I don’t race sport mode though and if BOP isn’t working there is definitely a major problem there. :(
I know it can't be the cure all for everything, but what I have found most of my cars need in terms of setup change since update 1.49, is a bit stiffer anti-roll bar, bit stiffer dampers, experiment with them, you might find it helps, also braking is much less straight forward now, you have to really consider your braking input as you approach bends/corners, if you want more oversteer bias, set the rear stiffer than the front, nd vice versa if you want understeer bias, set the front stiffer than the rear. I really hope that helps bro
kirith do you play gt7 using psvr2? every video that I'm looking at since I ordered my headset yesterday looks very jerky and unnatural. In every way not smooth. Nothing like my 150 inch projector no human being conjure their head around that quickly and I can understand why people get sick if that's what it looks like, that's just not normal. I've been a professional racer my whole life, both motorcycles and cars and those experiences. I've never had my head jerk around other than the wind buffeting my head on the bikes or the road buffeting my head in the car, but the VR videos that I'm seeing on RUclipsseem to be magnifying this to an extreme where it would be very uncomfortable for me. I'm just wondering if you've had the experience under the hood and what you think.
It's the opposite to me, I just don't feel anything, it's just too light like there's ffb at all from the track or when turning. I tried raising it all up to 10 on settings, but didn't work, it's just about the same, do you have any tips?
I am digging the new physics. I did a race on Lake Louise with the new Impreza yesterday and it was very fun. I was getting strange graphical glitches with the particles coming from the tires. I was in VR mind you. Overall I think it was a pretty great update.
The FFB on the Logitech Pro is back ! In one of your earlier videos about the update there was some talk about Fanatec wheels felt weird. Another well known you tuber pointed out yesterday that you need to update the the very latest driver and it's back to normal. To me the new physics model is much better to drive. Anyone else notice you have to brake earlier in the B race . I always thought the braking was a bit more like an F1 car than a GT car. The handling feels far more natural to me. I wonder if the ridiculous downshifting and upshifting party is over. I never used it much so need feedback from others that have. I also noticed in the new TT V Gallo was no 2 so it doesn't seem to have affected him much. As usual great job by Kireth putting out a lot of information
Hej. You mentioned your beginner masterclass. Wondering if it’s a good tool for a c driver on controller. When it comes to daily races I am 3-6 seconds slower than top 10 …
@@Kireth Alright. Will give it a try. Even so it’s off topic but investing in a wheel would be the next step I guess. Find it hard to choose … for a hobby driver it doesn’t have to be high end even when space is a matter. Can you recommend a good entry setup for a PS4? Appreciate your time and work and input. 🤙🏼
I play both and ACC is still better but damn did the FFB on this game get better this Yes feels more alife now pretty close to ACC for Gt3 cars but the physics i dont think so.
@@blackrahk2037 Im saying that the FFB is close to ACC now with GT3 cars on gt7. But after driving the hole day today The braking has improved alot now you need to be a bit more smoother with braking which is good feels more like a Sim game now. Best thing is we have ACC and Gt7 which is Beautiful 2 Sim-Games on Console 😍
I have the only other Logitech wheel with true force. G923. Yes I know it's old tech and all but I definitely noticed a massive difference in the trueforce effects. As you know the G923 wheel was very noisy, but now it's much quieter. I would love to have a G pro wheel, but I just can't justify spending $1000 for one. Maybe it's they come down in price by a lot. But until then, if I jump to DD soon, I'll be going with the Fanatec DD GT pro.
Kireth do you think PD will undo or change the driving physics of GT7 because if not then I’m going to stop waisting my time with it as I just can’t do driving anything anymore? I use it to absolutely love GT7 but since patch 1.49 I absolutely hate GT7 and that’s sad.
I think if u want more realistic braking now theres a new weak abs setting that will require hands on wheel when braking. Also u are in a road car that has abs it will brake in a straight line, drive a gt3 or car without abs then try it n it aint easy at all.
Kireth, your accomplishments are impressive. However I believe the majority of viewers click to hang out with you, relate to your cool personality, and soak up some of your knowledge. Impress us with content.
It's funny to compare new physics and ffb with ACC when ACC is known among simracing community as a game with very inconsistent physics and one of the worst ffb. And in fact ACC is already dead because no more updates sceduled and Kunos now working on AC2. And still to "kill" it GT7 needs to add things like endurance races (1h race is not an endurance race), driver swap, multiclass races and at least 50 cars per grid.
Tgtii has gained a little feedback but more than anything more road texture and bump detail through its built in transducer.. i can confirm there is more detail there now as i have mine connected to SIMHUB with base shakers, curbs bumps and textures are a lot more detailed now, BUT it seems to have messed simhub up a bit its not loading in straight away anymore, hopefully just an update required.. On the physics i think more precision is now required with pedals, no more getting away with 50% 75% accelerator positions, i re did daily C timetrial and a little 5% lift off over the hill gave a load of turn in. This isn't for anyone with a heavy foot and will widen the gap for anyone who struggles with that.
On the IA5 every time I gained control of the wheel at start, the car acted violently which made it hard to get my line into first turn! Using G29 wheel
It's completly the opposite to me, it has no almost no ffb, it's too light. I get almost nothing from track and turning. I even tried raising it all up to 10 on settings, but nothing happened. I wonder if did something wrong, do you have any tips?
You're being a bit dishonest there about the cars being able to go straight when taking your hands off the wheel....your saying that from one car on one part of one track....I've already had plenty of my cars where when braking hard they go all over the place if you take hands of the wheel
@@rap4thahoodthe wall isn’t that high when it comes to beating ACC’s AI unfortunately. Probably the 2nd most disappointing thing in the game after championship mode.
@TheOfficialRandomGuy ACC A.I still better than GT7 A.I, at ACC's can actually race, attack, defend, and no rubber banding. In GT7, even Sophy A.I, show has rubber banding. Even the regular A.I. in GT7 has problems passing slower cars with a faster car and that doesn't happen in ACC and heck even Grid legends has A.I that can pass slower cars with no problem. Let's be real a lot of championship modes in Racing Sims in single player are bad.
@@rap4thahood idk GTs AI, but it can’t be worse than trying to race long sprints with ACCs AI. I’ve had the entire field park in the pits for the remainder of a race during first pit stop, or they would run out of gas, and just DNF.
@TheOfficialRandomGuy not a problem with me, especially if you put mandatory pitstop on. Otherwise, you'll be getting that, if you take fuel and tyre wear off. They race just fine in ACC, just like GT7. The biggest problem is multiply class racing in GT7, why does the AI has a problem going by slower cars in a faster one, especially on a wide open track? As I said before it's not problem in ACC and Grid Legends
I own gt omega lite since 6 months and I couldn't recommend it more, the quality per dollar is a big W sturdy good looking easy to put together fast delivery at least in EU
I do find the new physics “more life like”. The lack of feedback on controller kills me. Compared to Motorsport, I get very little feedback from the controller. Not in touch with the road, the limit of the tires, nothing! Unless I’m completely off the road or feeling the bump on a corner. Maybe PS5 is better ? I don’t know.
Im hearing that other's Fanatec users experience has greatly improved while Logitechs truforce was nerfed. Also hearing thrustmaster has been degraded as well. Im a Fanatec user. What y'all think?
Enjoying the physics but the FFB sucks for every wheel that's entry level, it's kinda ruined it for casuals now so that does need addressing because Acc is far above what this is now.
Imagine if GT7 can run in triple monitor setup with a wider aspect ratio. i get it, the GPU in the PS5 will struggle with anything above 4K. port it to the PC!
What good are all the new, nice cars when almost all force feedback has been removed from the game? Formula cars can now be controlled like toy cars... that's a clear step backwards. They should improve the effect, but not eliminate it.
Clickbait, to even say there has not been any changes to the physics is completly wrong, suspension model is completly different its improved with way it interact with cars, tyre model has also been improved, more realistic grip, pd also made improvment to sounds better exhaust notes, less muted than they was before this update, this update was really good for gt7 and heading in the right direction.
So I updated yesterday and tried it for a little bit and I was all over the place when I used to not be got everything on tried to stop would slide off the track Just didn't make sense and then when I get on The gas I'd spin out I'd be coming in at 150 to a corner break on the red and my car would spin around and bounce around like what the start not to like it now they should have just left it alone
@philmarsden9594 that's so defensive to you? Lol who's sensitive? It's just funny when people like you call gt7 arcade when the fastest gt7 drivers would whoop you in any race sim.
@@Crook3d_GT now aggressive when you didnt get the response you wanted. interesting. why would i race them in a sim when i already do in gt7 dude? kinda shocked you can even spell sim when it has more letters than you appear to have alive brain cells
GT7 even without physics update was already way better than ACC. once got the chance to try both games on Ps5 with an average dd wheel with default settings. GT7 was ok, ACC like always was horrible.
I agree, ACC was my first sim. I didn’t want to pay 75$ for GT7 then I got it on sell for 40$ and played it and said, damn this is way more fun the GayCC
No. The new GT7 physics are an improvement, but they still aren't as good as ACC in my opinion. Plus neither GT7 or ACC are going to 'kill' each other, there's room for both as they are very different games.
Ok Kireth, seriously... why would you even compare these physics to ACC (given the click-bait title)? Not even remotely in the same ball park. I don't watch a ton of your videos, but I do here and there.. and I largely agree with your opinions... but you really have to ease off click bait / inaccurate video titles.. You could have easily went with something along the lines of "Is the Gran Turismo 7 Physics update massively improved?" for instance. When you start making bizarre, nonsensical meaningless titles like this, it really does start to chip away at your credibility (and from what I gather, you are by large being honest in your videos, which is appreciated). But you don't need to resort to tactics like this stuff (and yes, these are simple attention grabbing click bait tactics) to have a successful channel. If honesty is a key pillar for your channel (which I suspect it is), then be honest with video titles as well. I mean no offense by any of this, but my humble recommendation is to learn to be more creative (yet honest/accurate) with video titles. You can have your cake and eat it too.
I don’t think it’s a click bait this time. ACC being the benchmark for sim racing games in terms of physics is what all games are trying to achieve imo and we want to know if it’s become as good or at least if it’s got any closer to ACC. On the other hand I see what you mean I thought the last video title “Is GT7 Dead?” Was a total click bait and massively misleading.
@@abdallahalbalushi6309 I do think this is click bait in the sense that we all know Gran Turismo is sim-cade and will not evolve into pure sim territory as Sony wants GT to be accessible to everyone. So even with a physics update, we know it won't even approach ACC. This title would only be accurate had Polyphony Digital decide to go all out and make the physics as realistic as possible.. but this is not the case. You do bring a valid point of the "Is GT7 Dead?" title.. another example of click bait (and diminished credibility IMO). I get that he wants people to click on his videos for views. Nothing wrong with that in the slightest.. he's a content creator... having said that however, it's HOW you get people to click that matters IMO. I'm sure there are clever accurate, non-click bait titles that can be used instead. Of course, this is just my 2 cents.. mileage may vary. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The fact he mentions comparison in the title and rarely talks about the other title (acc in this case) that’s what makes it click bait. Honest opinion of the update is more appropriate
I’ve got the PXN 6 nm wheel and the force feedback used to be perfect. However, after the update it felt really light and suddenly mid corner it’ll kick in. I don’t know if I’m doing anything wrong but I can’t play the game now after have been playing it on a daily basis.
Me and my son are very casual players but the way my Camaro zl1 was setup it has been almost undrivable after the update will be going along good and then it yeets the rear end around where the night before it was planted.
The pits in GT7 alone are too much of a joke for it to ever compete with GT7. Let alone the ffb or physics, which are definitely improved now, but nowhere near ACC. ESPECIALLY the collision physics. Also, if you like GT3 racing, GT7 is useless. ZERO of the cars on the current GT3 grid are in gt7. Zero of them. How about TC and ABS? they still “assist settings” in gt7 rather than being in your car setup specific to each car? That’s a fucking joke
Bro I'm running logitech pro wheel on PS5 and since this update dropped, I had to switch the compatibility to G923. I'd try that if you have a pro wheel 100%. Feels wayy better to me.
I personally think they got worse. When I was playing the update and I was trying to race sophy at nurturing and I would constantly spin out after I went over a hill or even turned the corner and I had to turn my traction control all the way up to five in order to try to control it and I would still spin out
If you think youre og becouse you play gt7 from it's release, what am i then? I play Gran Turismo since gt1 on ps1. I played all of them. 😂 That would make me grandfather g. 😂
@@giulio3818 I’m on controller as of now. That said, apparently the game was tweaked to accommodate 4 more nm. The Logitech guy there almost had them reversing the settings. Apparently the physics are bliss once the settings are right.
i'm LOVING the new physics, the cars now feel like real cars and i can actually FEEL the weight shifting and gripping around the kerbs and bumps. Hope they fix all the bugs
Way better now!
Love to hear it!!
Much better on day 2.i had to acclimate but it's definitely better. The force feedback is better as well
@andsoitwas3046 same here :)
You can actually feel a difference between fwd, rwd, awd around corners now. Each make a significant difference in oversteer/understeer. But this is finally past the cartoon physics of previous patch gt7. It will never compare to ACC.
Least click bait title
I'm this close to unsubscribing...
Like the comment above if you didn't watch the video 🙃
@@Kirethuhhh are we a bit offended?
@@Kirethyou mention so little about comparisons with acc. A 30 minute video that I have watched, about if gt7 killing acc I would except you more to do comparisons or talk about them but it’s more you just going through gt7 challenges talking about the changes and briefly mentioning other sims to comparison. The expectation of the title and the video do not correlate. Thus click bait. It’s a good video overall but personally wouldn’t of clicked it if you hadn’t said acc in the title. Which is frustrating that I fell for it once again.
@Kireth i think people should unsubscribe if they don't like clickbait🙋🏿♂️
We've been down this road before , as soon as people complain about the physics PD will pull out the hammer , break the emergency glass and push the red casual button
Facts😂😂
The new physics are made for VR. I'm having a blast
are you faster too ? me yes I love it
Its is a big improvement but It definitely isn't killing a full sim like acc.
I’ve got GPro wheel as well and I think it feels terrible after the patch. Are you really fine with how it is now? A lot of people unhappy about it online
Feels wrong bc u're conditioned to the old one with little experience of other FFB in simracing.
@@TheInsaiyan you’re probably right, but it looks like the true force has been really tuned down and honestly I really like it the old way. Change the physics no worries but I think they should give us the option to have our wheels feel the way we like and able to turn up the true force settings
@@mrbobbys1985 I've got the G Pro and I hate the way it feels now. It's lost all of the fidelity and crispness that it had before. As to the comment about little experience of other FFB in simracing.... So what?! Some of us have spent a lot of money and were happy with the way it was. I'd just like the option to have it the way I want it. You could argue that people who've never experience Trueforce have been conditioned to be happy with an inferior FFB model.
@@richh9241 yeah I agree. I’m not complaining about the force feedback at all. That’s fine. But the detail that was provided by true force is all but gone and they need to bring it back. Feels so basic now and lost how immersive it was
@@mrbobbys1985 Exactly! I'm much the same. We need to make as much noise about this as possible, because it's not on.
Love the feedback on the G Pro Wheel racing GT7 after the update.
where did you find the wheel setting please ? ... I am happy that I left Fanatec to G pro knowing what's going ...
@@AFY-GOODLogitech posted a video on their Instagram with the recommended settings, you should follow these. Feels so much better and considerably more realistic
5:08 Thats not correct, you can easily let go of the steering wheel and press the brake fully and the car will continue straight ahead. By the way, you still have ABS on, so the car won't skid out, and there are so many other things that matter, so you can brake without your hands on the steering wheel ( With this lambo). You just have to take a golf or something like that, without ABS please, then it will skid out.
You are supposed to be able to let your hands off when braking and the car to go straight.
I watched a video from suellio coaching Random Callsign and he did that as an example for the loose hands braking method which is the best.
That would need a stiff rear and front suspension with low compression on the front
I have noticed more body roll and it feels like the car wants to spin out more and it's seems like it's more on ice skates maybe that's just me I'm not a professional but I have noticed a lot more movement in the car
Finally an honest review. I mean I get it. If you are a GT7 channel you don’t want to bash it. Last thing you want is to hurt your own channel. So I get it. That said, there has been ALOT of gaslighting going on around the community.
I prefer to just be honest, always 🙌🙌🙌
I''m on a Fanatec DD Pro GT7 version. My initial reaction was that all my road cars now felt like they were on skates, and the force feedback was dead. Since then, I have found that putting a fully customizable suspension to lower the car and by putting race tires on I was able to dial up the missing force feedback. I am enjoying the new physics much better now. Thanks for the great content as always!
Did you update your Fanatec firmware?
Just had this neat glich where my car decided it was going to turn right on a left and full trottle donuts through the infield, my feet were off the gas/break pedals, and my hands werent on the wheel but it proceeded to donut through the infield until i closed the game
Gt7 is a game with no obvious flaws
(Im joking)
That sounds more like a hardware issue, I've not experienced that on controller,
But the cars do get unsettled more easily now, going through the compression zone of nurburgring, my car kept snatching off to the left as much as I tried to keep the car settled going through it, I ended up having to put lower profile tires, stiffer anti roll bar, and stiffen dampers beyond what I'd usually set a car up like, but it worked, it took my e36 m3 road car and gave it gr4 like handling 😊
I'm not a pro, I have always loved played GT since GT 3 and I play with a controller on auto. I can't afford all that steering wheel jazz and it's just a game for me. The new physics has ruined it for me. All my pp800 grind cars are way over pp now and if I get them under pp they are crap. So I've gone back to playing red dead instead. GT is broken for me 🤷
I noticed that the grip on the edge of the track is much lower, you can no longer abuse the track limit, many curbs have become impassable. If you touch the grass with the outside wheels while they have traction it is very easy to lose control. During braking I noticed that even with ABS the wheels tend to lock especially with weak ABS, some cars in particular if you brake with the wheels not straight tend to break up a lot. The tires seem to have much more grip but in the endurance races when it marks that they are halfway through use the performance drops much more than before. Some cars have become almost unusable without setup, the new m3 added if modified to the maximum has a sort of bug, the steering wheel seems very stiff as if it had a lot of grip but then suddenly it lightens and the car turns. I find the game different but as you say in the video it seems more like an adjustment of the physics than a complete change
The physics is improved, and the point with improved rally physics is not to be the best but now you can have an enjoyable experince,
Not only physics improvments was made either, sounds has got updated for some cars as well.
Exhaust notes is less muted and are now more clear than ever before,
This was a very major update that changed more for the better than we thought.
They ruined the game and made it unenjoyable not everyone’s driving on a multi thousand dollar wheel and using a controller. They’ve Nerf the bracking and made the cars feel like they don’t fucking stop at all anymore. The cars have terrible lateral geez and they’ve Nerf the PP across-the-board for pretty much all of the cars besides all the wonky glitchy suspension physics, bring the original physics. There was nothing wrong with them.
All these people arguing about physics of cars that 99.9% will never actually drive in real life 😆 all sims are videogames and you arent more of a "real" racer because you play ACC or iRacing 😂
I just want driving the MX-5 ND in game to feel more like my real one. I doubt I’m the 0.001% and yes I do play exclusively in VR.
Omg stop, would u pls spare a thought for our hypersensitive iracing and acc racers..you gonna break their hearts if they found out that they aren't larger than life pro racers. 💔
Initial impressions feel like the front suspension rolls more, essentially softer up front by default. Seems like you have to be smoother. Brake balance seems more sensitive too if you move it all the way forward to save rear tires, I’m now getting locking that I didn’t feel before in the Toyota TS050. Also, the battery charges differently in the TS050, it sustains a bit more.
My DD+ on v455 felt like 2nm, after 1.49 update. I then updated to v457 with the patch on top that fixes the disconnectivity and so far so good. Previously I had disconnection issues with 457 without the patch so I went back to 455. I have a QR2 and Porsche Podium wheel paired with DD+
Hi Kireth can you help me please because with the version 1.49 car physics it’s the first time I’m actually thinking of quitting GT7 as it’s the first time I can’t physically drive my cars. You see I’m disabled so I use a special old joystick which works in the same way as a D-Pad and I just remap the acceleration / braking / steering to the D-Pad and it works for me. I learned I had to turn the car to work with my joystick so every car has the LSD on 5 5 60 and the brake balance on 5 and full downforce and driving assist … this is the only way I can play the game and I loved it. Now with 1.49 I just can’t drive at all as I just spin round on can’t steer to the point where it’s pointless in me even trying. Are you in touch with the people who make GT7 and if so can you please talk to them on my behalf please? I know my way I play the game isn’t ideal but it worked for me, or rather it did. Do you think I could get the 1.48 physics back so I could at least drive on my own or is the new physics forever now if so I’ll have no choice but to quit GT7?
Agreed the new physics have just lost them thousands of players not everyone’s playing on a steering wheel and people that use controller have just been segregated because the physics have destroyed their gameplay
What happens when you drive a gr3 car? Although I haven’t driven a gr3 car in a very long time the gr4,3,2 etc seem to be what the target was. I don’t know about them rolling back the physics. Maybe we can work together to figure it out. Not trying to toot my own horn but all I do is race road cars and tune. Race in lobbys etc. I don’t race sport mode though and if BOP isn’t working there is definitely a major problem there. :(
Anyway I can help I will.
I know it can't be the cure all for everything, but what I have found most of my cars need in terms of setup change since update 1.49, is a bit stiffer anti-roll bar, bit stiffer dampers, experiment with them, you might find it helps, also braking is much less straight forward now, you have to really consider your braking input as you approach bends/corners, if you want more oversteer bias, set the rear stiffer than the front, nd vice versa if you want understeer bias, set the front stiffer than the rear.
I really hope that helps bro
@@bigt43 thanks buddy.
U also got blisters IRL due to vibrations I imagine.
kirith do you play gt7 using psvr2? every video that I'm looking at since I ordered my headset yesterday looks very jerky and unnatural. In every way not smooth. Nothing like my 150 inch projector no human being conjure their head around that quickly and I can understand why people get sick if that's what it looks like, that's just not normal. I've been a professional racer my whole life, both motorcycles and cars and those experiences. I've never had my head jerk around other than the wind buffeting my head on the bikes or the road buffeting my head in the car, but the VR videos that I'm seeing on RUclipsseem to be magnifying this to an extreme where it would be very uncomfortable for me. I'm just wondering if you've had the experience under the hood and what you think.
More wheel torque on the logitech pro now but I can actually feel alot more of the trueforce RPM feedback on the G923 setting now
It's the opposite to me, I just don't feel anything, it's just too light like there's ffb at all from the track or when turning. I tried raising it all up to 10 on settings, but didn't work, it's just about the same, do you have any tips?
I am digging the new physics. I did a race on Lake Louise with the new Impreza yesterday and it was very fun. I was getting strange graphical glitches with the particles coming from the tires. I was in VR mind you. Overall I think it was a pretty great update.
The FFB on the Logitech Pro is back ! In one of your earlier videos about the update there was some talk about Fanatec wheels felt weird. Another well known you tuber pointed out yesterday that you need to update the the very latest driver and it's back to normal. To me the new physics model is much better to drive. Anyone else notice you have to brake earlier in the B race . I always thought the braking was a bit more like an F1 car than a GT car. The handling feels far more natural to me. I wonder if the ridiculous downshifting and upshifting party is over. I never used it much so need feedback from others that have. I also noticed in the new TT V Gallo was no 2 so it doesn't seem to have affected him much. As usual great job by Kireth putting out a lot of information
Hej. You mentioned your beginner masterclass. Wondering if it’s a good tool for a c driver on controller. When it comes to daily races I am 3-6 seconds slower than top 10 …
100% - if you're 3-6 seconds off it should be perfect for you! Will be some big gains you should find very quickly
@@Kireth Alright. Will give it a try. Even so it’s off topic but investing in a wheel would be the next step I guess. Find it hard to choose … for a hobby driver it doesn’t have to be high end even when space is a matter. Can you recommend a good entry setup for a PS4? Appreciate your time and work and input. 🤙🏼
I play both and ACC is still better but damn did the FFB on this game get better this Yes feels more alife now pretty close to ACC for Gt3 cars but the physics i dont think so.
Yup 100% - FFB is massively improved 👍👍👍
🙌🙌🙌
It's true. ACC is still, but my goodness the FFB is horrible, especially for controllers. That's one of the things I love about GT7
ACC is more focused on GT3 tho. Gran Turismo has physics for more kinds of vehicles so it's understandable why GT3 is better on ACC.
@@blackrahk2037 Im saying that the FFB is close to ACC now with GT3 cars on gt7. But after driving the hole day today The braking has improved alot now you need to be a bit more smoother with braking which is good feels more like a Sim game now. Best thing is we have ACC and Gt7 which is Beautiful 2 Sim-Games on Console 😍
About what you were talking about at nurburgring and the kerbs, I would say how locked the diff will play into that as well.
I have the only other Logitech wheel with true force. G923. Yes I know it's old tech and all but I definitely noticed a massive difference in the trueforce effects. As you know the G923 wheel was very noisy, but now it's much quieter.
I would love to have a G pro wheel, but I just can't justify spending $1000 for one. Maybe it's they come down in price by a lot. But until then, if I jump to DD soon, I'll be going with the Fanatec DD GT pro.
Kireth do you think PD will undo or change the driving physics of GT7 because if not then I’m going to stop waisting my time with it as I just can’t do driving anything anymore? I use it to absolutely love GT7 but since patch 1.49 I absolutely hate GT7 and that’s sad.
I think if u want more realistic braking now theres a new weak abs setting that will require hands on wheel when braking. Also u are in a road car that has abs it will brake in a straight line, drive a gt3 or car without abs then try it n it aint easy at all.
Kireth, your accomplishments are impressive. However I believe the majority of viewers click to hang out with you, relate to your cool personality, and soak up some of your knowledge. Impress us with content.
Exactly why I streamed this evening and was great to raise money for an awesome cause 🙌🙌🙌
Cars in ACC won't launch instantly so GT7 wins
What do you mean
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 Yea what does he mean
@@stevep927 aliens are abducting him as we speak to learn our species
Yeah ACC don't have flying cars GT wins
It's funny to compare new physics and ffb with ACC when ACC is known among simracing community as a game with very inconsistent physics and one of the worst ffb. And in fact ACC is already dead because no more updates sceduled and Kunos now working on AC2. And still to "kill" it GT7 needs to add things like endurance races (1h race is not an endurance race), driver swap, multiclass races and at least 50 cars per grid.
Tgtii has gained a little feedback but more than anything more road texture and bump detail through its built in transducer.. i can confirm there is more detail there now as i have mine connected to SIMHUB with base shakers, curbs bumps and textures are a lot more detailed now, BUT it seems to have messed simhub up a bit its not loading in straight away anymore, hopefully just an update required..
On the physics i think more precision is now required with pedals, no more getting away with 50% 75% accelerator positions, i re did daily C timetrial and a little 5% lift off over the hill gave a load of turn in. This isn't for anyone with a heavy foot and will widen the gap for anyone who struggles with that.
Re: Trail brake
Really would suggest not going straight to 100%+ABS... 90-92% without would be better
I noticed the new update greatly affects damper settings, try increasing compression to see, will make car undrivable, need to lower with new update
On the IA5 every time I gained control of the wheel at start, the car acted violently which made it hard to get my line into first turn! Using G29 wheel
It's completly the opposite to me, it has no almost no ffb, it's too light. I get almost nothing from track and turning. I even tried raising it all up to 10 on settings, but nothing happened. I wonder if did something wrong, do you have any tips?
@@JunoBuh sorry but I’m new to all this
Can someone tell me why my car does not have a PP rating? Instead of a number, it's just a triangle with an exclamation point.
I know you can add it to a custom race and it will launch it 400ft in the air! Lol
I absolutely love the new physics
You're being a bit dishonest there about the cars being able to go straight when taking your hands off the wheel....your saying that from one car on one part of one track....I've already had plenty of my cars where when braking hard they go all over the place if you take hands of the wheel
There's literally nothing dishonest about this video 😅
It’s gonna take an axe to kill ACC, not a physics update to GT7.
Updated GT3 cars, different setups for different tracks, an A.I that can actually drive, and dynamic weather for every track
@@rap4thahoodthe wall isn’t that high when it comes to beating ACC’s AI unfortunately. Probably the 2nd most disappointing thing in the game after championship mode.
@TheOfficialRandomGuy ACC A.I still better than GT7 A.I, at ACC's can actually race, attack, defend, and no rubber banding. In GT7, even Sophy A.I, show has rubber banding. Even the regular A.I. in GT7 has problems passing slower cars with a faster car and that doesn't happen in ACC and heck even Grid legends has A.I that can pass slower cars with no problem. Let's be real a lot of championship modes in Racing Sims in single player are bad.
@@rap4thahood idk GTs AI, but it can’t be worse than trying to race long sprints with ACCs AI. I’ve had the entire field park in the pits for the remainder of a race during first pit stop, or they would run out of gas, and just DNF.
@TheOfficialRandomGuy not a problem with me, especially if you put mandatory pitstop on. Otherwise, you'll be getting that, if you take fuel and tyre wear off. They race just fine in ACC, just like GT7. The biggest problem is multiply class racing in GT7, why does the AI has a problem going by slower cars in a faster one, especially on a wide open track? As I said before it's not problem in ACC and Grid Legends
I own gt omega lite since 6 months and I couldn't recommend it more, the quality per dollar is a big W sturdy good looking easy to put together fast delivery at least in EU
I do find the new physics “more life like”. The lack of feedback on controller kills me. Compared to Motorsport, I get very little feedback from the controller. Not in touch with the road, the limit of the tires, nothing! Unless I’m completely off the road or feeling the bump on a corner. Maybe PS5 is better ? I don’t know.
I hate Simdrivers who dial down there wheels and expect to feel the road 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Im hearing that other's Fanatec users experience has greatly improved while Logitechs truforce was nerfed. Also hearing thrustmaster has been degraded as well. Im a Fanatec user. What y'all think?
Don't dive in on the corners when it's wet. Keep it wide you'll see the difference
Enjoying the physics but the FFB sucks for every wheel that's entry level, it's kinda ruined it for casuals now so that does need addressing because Acc is far above what this is now.
Imagine if GT7 can run in triple monitor setup with a wider aspect ratio. i get it, the GPU in the PS5 will struggle with anything above 4K. port it to the PC!
I think the rally physics are the best thing about the update outside of the three spoke alloys!
Acc player count just went up 200 %
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You sure you have FFB all the way up? on my DD Pro, if i were to let go of the wheel like you did during breaking, my wheel will just spin.
depending on the car , try the yaris and a few others , my car in real life i can stop with no drama
What good are all the new, nice cars when almost all force feedback has been removed from the game? Formula cars can now be controlled like toy cars... that's a clear step backwards. They should improve the effect, but not eliminate it.
Clickbait, to even say there has not been any changes to the physics is completly wrong, suspension model is completly different its improved with way it interact with cars, tyre model has also been improved, more realistic grip, pd also made improvment to sounds better exhaust notes, less muted than they was before this update, this update was really good for gt7 and heading in the right direction.
Your comment is pure clickbait 👎👎
So I updated yesterday and tried it for a little bit and I was all over the place when I used to not be got everything on tried to stop would slide off the track Just didn't make sense and then when I get on The gas I'd spin out I'd be coming in at 150 to a corner break on the red and my car would spin around and bounce around like what the start not to like it now they should have just left it alone
I can't tell you enough how sad it makes me that I have to buy a 500$ toolbox just to play this game...
Can you please do a video abt daily marathon
feels like it used to (before the last phys update) under breaking and how it did after everywhere else.
still an easy to pick up and play arcade game
People who are fast in gran turismo are fast in other sims, the same rules apply to be fast. Sim racing elitists are so corny 🥱
@@Crook3d_GT what are you on about bro?
why are you being so defensive?
@philmarsden9594 that's so defensive to you? Lol who's sensitive? It's just funny when people like you call gt7 arcade when the fastest gt7 drivers would whoop you in any race sim.
@@Crook3d_GT now aggressive when you didnt get the response you wanted. interesting.
why would i race them in a sim when i already do in gt7 dude?
kinda shocked you can even spell sim when it has more letters than you appear to have alive brain cells
Of course if you lift off the wheel and brake it will go straight. Cars have caster. 🤦♂️
GT7 even without physics update was already way better than ACC. once got the chance to try both games on Ps5 with an average dd wheel with default settings. GT7 was ok, ACC like always was horrible.
GT7 makes ACC irrelevant on PS5?
I agree, ACC was my first sim. I didn’t want to pay 75$ for GT7 then I got it on sell for 40$ and played it and said, damn this is way more fun the GayCC
It seems so far i can only do La Manns any other ņdd undriveable
No. The new GT7 physics are an improvement, but they still aren't as good as ACC in my opinion. Plus neither GT7 or ACC are going to 'kill' each other, there's room for both as they are very different games.
Hi Kireth! Pls pls pls share your G Pro wheelbase and game settings?? You’d make one subscriber very happy!! 😎
I got you covered!! ruclips.net/video/0wIo6w9uMO4/видео.htmlsi=17lhVnFd0AAnEzsQ
@@Kireth these are the old settings are no longer applicable with the new update.
You have to be alot more careful now almost to careful
Made a huge difference , on gt2 wheel
Ok Kireth, seriously... why would you even compare these physics to ACC (given the click-bait title)? Not even remotely in the same ball park. I don't watch a ton of your videos, but I do here and there.. and I largely agree with your opinions... but you really have to ease off click bait / inaccurate video titles.. You could have easily went with something along the lines of "Is the Gran Turismo 7 Physics update massively improved?" for instance. When you start making bizarre, nonsensical meaningless titles like this, it really does start to chip away at your credibility (and from what I gather, you are by large being honest in your videos, which is appreciated). But you don't need to resort to tactics like this stuff (and yes, these are simple attention grabbing click bait tactics) to have a successful channel. If honesty is a key pillar for your channel (which I suspect it is), then be honest with video titles as well. I mean no offense by any of this, but my humble recommendation is to learn to be more creative (yet honest/accurate) with video titles. You can have your cake and eat it too.
Bruh he’s here to make us click and it worked
I don’t think it’s a click bait this time. ACC being the benchmark for sim racing games in terms of physics is what all games are trying to achieve imo and we want to know if it’s become as good or at least if it’s got any closer to ACC. On the other hand I see what you mean I thought the last video title “Is GT7 Dead?” Was a total click bait and massively misleading.
@@abdallahalbalushi6309 I do think this is click bait in the sense that we all know Gran Turismo is sim-cade and will not evolve into pure sim territory as Sony wants GT to be accessible to everyone. So even with a physics update, we know it won't even approach ACC. This title would only be accurate had Polyphony Digital decide to go all out and make the physics as realistic as possible.. but this is not the case. You do bring a valid point of the "Is GT7 Dead?" title.. another example of click bait (and diminished credibility IMO). I get that he wants people to click on his videos for views. Nothing wrong with that in the slightest.. he's a content creator... having said that however, it's HOW you get people to click that matters IMO. I'm sure there are clever accurate, non-click bait titles that can be used instead. Of course, this is just my 2 cents.. mileage may vary. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The fact he mentions comparison in the title and rarely talks about the other title (acc in this case) that’s what makes it click bait. Honest opinion of the update is more appropriate
Go try that no handed brake trick with a stock Miata lmao you picked the absolute widest and lowest possible car to do that little trick.
It killed itself with this physics update. My rear wheel drive cars are oversteering much more and even when i correct they just go off course.😢
I’ve got the PXN 6 nm wheel and the force feedback used to be perfect. However, after the update it felt really light and suddenly mid corner it’ll kick in. I don’t know if I’m doing anything wrong but I can’t play the game now after have been playing it on a daily basis.
The same for me, i was 10/10 of ffb and after the update I can not feel the car even with 10/10 the force is very weak
I think they got some workarounds at gtplanet.
Should have just called the vid "testing new physics"
Great vid as always ✅
Thank you!!
I hadnt played on over year. Just got back this month. I don't like the new update. Doesnt feel good to me.
16:30 why don’t you put your FF on default🤦🏾♂️
3:09 pretty concerning 😬
Me and my son are very casual players but the way my Camaro zl1 was setup it has been almost undrivable after the update will be going along good and then it yeets the rear end around where the night before it was planted.
Same with all my rear wheel cars. Oversteering enormous and when i correct they keep going off track, even without throtle.
@@The.world.has.gone.crazy... Exactly!!! I spent hours trying to fix it
Maybe try more rear brake bias.
@@TheVVumpus maybe... I spent a few hours last night tweaking it . Thank you
Why does gt7 keep changing the physics?
it's more arcadey now, they are going backwards
lol I swear every other video is “did this game kill this other game” 😂
Did F1 2024 KILL Valorant??
yes, its now on AC level!!!
The pits in GT7 alone are too much of a joke for it to ever compete with GT7. Let alone the ffb or physics, which are definitely improved now, but nowhere near ACC. ESPECIALLY the collision physics. Also, if you like GT3 racing, GT7 is useless. ZERO of the cars on the current GT3 grid are in gt7. Zero of them.
How about TC and ABS? they still “assist settings” in gt7 rather than being in your car setup specific to each car?
That’s a fucking joke
Bro I'm running logitech pro wheel on PS5 and since this update dropped, I had to switch the compatibility to G923.
I'd try that if you have a pro wheel 100%.
Feels wayy better to me.
Gpro has new recommended settings
It sucks on controller, its great on wheel.
I personally think they got worse. When I was playing the update and I was trying to race sophy at nurturing and I would constantly spin out after I went over a hill or even turned the corner and I had to turn my traction control all the way up to five in order to try to control it and I would still spin out
Seems it breaks certain cars?
Skill issue
Bonnet can Shouldn't be able in a sim either
Gt7 haf big work on the hand 😊
If you think youre og becouse you play gt7 from it's release, what am i then? I play Gran Turismo since gt1 on ps1. I played all of them. 😂 That would make me grandfather g. 😂
What’s the point of the thumbnail?
Hi kireth!
With logitech g923 bad bad handling and zero ffb!!
I hoper in a patch!!
You gotta fiddle with the settings mate.
@@UniversalStand i have tried yet...
What are your setting in game?
@@giulio3818 I’m on controller as of now. That said, apparently the game was tweaked to accommodate 4 more nm. The Logitech guy there almost had them reversing the settings. Apparently the physics are bliss once the settings are right.
No matter what update, it's still a game.
I spoke too soon it’s impossible
I highly doubt it
The clickbait title is crazyyyyyy
Acting like we dont know what yer doing with that title 😂, cmon bruh...
Bro you mean the title to this video?
@@Kireth What other title could I refer to?
Just making sure!
Acc is an arcade game born already dead!😂
You gotta be careful with your video titles.
Simcade
that bs worst fisic problem ever drift are imposible now
Dont kill it😢