Jokic is 26, has an MVP, and has a career PER of 26. He just had a PER of 31, which has only been accomplished 23 times in a season. He's also the greatest passing big man of all time. I would put him as a near lock.
Casey brings up the injuries effecting Jokic's MVP, but he doesn't mention that Jokic's Historic MVP season is statistically superior than the majority of MVPs not named LeBron or MJ. Jokic is on par with Larry Bird.
I would put him above gobert and on par of drose's case before his injury. If he finishes his career at this level for like 8+ years, he can have a case like russ. if he wins a chip or gets close a couple times, he is somewhat similar to giannis's case. I'm just really debating how NEAR near-lock means, so I guess he can be considered near lock
Hes peak so far is already better then ALL tier 2 players. And he hasn't even peaked YET. I can understand placing players with rings ahead partially but Gobert, DRose, Dame??? Doesn't matter, he will be ranked higher then maby half tier 1 players when it's all said and done.
Jokic definitely will be a Lock. Just picked up his second MVP back to back. Top 2 in his position. Close to passing wilt in career triple doubles for centers. Already made WCF (melo only made it once in his longer career).
I think Andre Iguodala deserves at least a mention in the hall of Fame discussion. I'm not saying first ballot but I think he can definitely get in there
I was about to say that too, as a thunder fan I hated the dubs, but he has my respect, he was an all star and one of the most impactful bench players and vets for a dynasty. Hope he atleast gets consideration.
Maybe he'll not be included on the discussion, but he'll surely be a hall of famer, he's well liked by the coaches and the media and is seem like that essential player for a winning culture...
Yes, people forgetting International bball. I bealive he will get in and rightfully so. Still shouldn't be ranked above Jokic on any list. It's hardly even debatable.
@@kingdinodragonite3470 all he is is a really good rim protector, that's the only part of defense that he's good at. terrible perimeter defense, not the best defensive iq and average if not below that in any other scenario where he isn't directly under the rim
@@bingobananasmesopotamia466 i agree Gobert has only 6.5% probability according to bball reference yeah he won 3 dpoy, but two he didn't deserve , and he's honestly hella overrated as a defender and a player.... he gets targeted in playoffs
Paul George deserves to be a tier higher than you placed him 7x All star 6x All NBA 4x All Defense 3 Conference Finals as Best Player on the Team MVP and DPOY Candidate Not even giving him a mention is disrespectful bro
I think Rondo should be a tier up, simply because unlike Rose, he was able to slowly decline from all star, to above average starter, to starter, to roleplayer without having a horrible season(with the exception of the Dallas season) vs Rose’s massive fall off during the NYK/CLE stints until the revival in Minnesota
Derozan will have his number retired by the Raptors. Unlike Vince, Demar actually loved playing in Toronto. The only reason he’s gone is cos he was traded… for Kawhi… who brought them a ring. So, indirectly, Demar still helped them win a chip. Not saying he’ll go to the Hall, but I’m pretty sure Toronto will retire his number.
But Vince is the greatest Raptor who played there not Bosh , Derozan not ohhh wait they screwd Mcgrady out of Toronto. Vince Carter is a sure HoF Derozan not so much. And your last point Derozan helped Toronto win a chip? How? Did he poison the opponent's? Or injured them? No ,what won them a chip is management and the coach
@@TheSobieskiukas I said indirectly, since he was the major trade piece used to acquire Kawhi. It was tongue in cheek humor, so, sorry if you didn't get that. And I didn't say he was better than Vince. All I said was he was going to get his number retired by the Raptors because his leaving the team was not his choice but the team's. As great as Vince was, there is still a lot of hurt feelings because of the way he left. And if you thought I was talking about the Hall, you might want to read my earlier comment again.
@@TheSobieskiukas And how does this affect them retiring Derozan"s number? And why do you keep insisting that I'm hating on Carter? I said there were hurt feelings, never mentioned bad blood. Dem's your words. If those hurt feelings are healed, yipee-ki-yay. Are you good now?
@@MrPhilbautista you typed out retire Derozan number not Carter's that's the first problem the second is that you know nothing about Raptors and there history, do you even know why Carter left on bad term's? Or did you started watching NBA 5 year's ago? But no you didn't watch it 5 year's ago the tribute to Carter was 8 year's ago . Third by your logic I can say Jared Allen helped destroy the Net's becouse they are a tragedy now. Sounds good?
Rondo??? Guy is sure HoF. Two rings in which he was important factor plus he is one of the best pure point guard of his generation. His assist numbers and his playmaking vision are top tier.
Now Jokic is a two-time MVP, best passing big man ever, could take this Nuggets team to the playoffs by himself, he has the stats clearly on his side... Your take that he needs help didn't age quite well... About Draymond... Saying that his contribution is a notch below Steph, Klay and KD is such a bad take... Draymond is the anchor of a great defense and a crucial piece of that team...but these things doesn't show up easily on the stat sheet... Also.. not locking the 3 centerpieces of that 73-win season doesn't make any sense...
watching this in 2022 is really interesting. I think Jokic has now jumped up to hof lock. D-Rose is a big strech but I could see the league inducting him in bcuz mvp. Big miss on DeRozan but if it's for only this season then I still think he has a chance. Marcus won DPOY and could very well win a championship this year so that should bump him up to near locks. Horford can be inducted in the hof maybe (especially how he clamped up giannis) Blake is just not going to make it. He is washed and did not contribute anything to that nets team so he's ruled out. I can see john wall if he makes a return but probably not. Klay is definetley a HOF. Especially with the show he put up against the mavs. He's just 4 games away from winning the chip and it's very much possible
Derozan for me is at least in the need help categories. He has led Raptors to be the second best team in the east for 3 years. Yes, it’s Lebronto but still. Now with the new found success in the Bulls. If the Bulls become better and he stays relatively good for the next 2-3 seasons, he can be a near lock. Hope he gets it. A really nice guy as well
Jokic ain't a lock yet. Neither is Embiid. I disagree that either "need help" because both are easily on track to be first ballot. But he hasnt played enough time.
Iggy and Kemba are two players that I find interesting to think about. Iggy has the chips and finals MVP, but was a role player for all of his successful years. Kemba is the greatest Hornet ever (at least for now) and had arguably the greatest NCAA run ever (It’s the basketball hall of fame so this counts). However he hasn’t had any winning success. Both has all stars as well which make them interesting guys. Not first ballot, but eventually maybe
2:50 I don't understand why you felt the need to make the argument for Russ and Harden but not for Carmelo. While I think they all deserve, Carmelo has a less impressive resume resume than the other two.
a name you forgot to mention and i dont even blame you for is Luka Doncic. Its the basketball hall of fame, not NBA hall of fame.(also why Chris Weber made it because he was one of the greatest college players ever.) Luka was selected to an all decade team, won MVP, won a championship, won mvp in the euro final four, 2x nba first team, 2x all star, etc. Kind of wild to see but he has been playing professionally since 16 and euro league is the 2nd best basketball league. Great video though this my first time watching a vid and i enjoyed!
I think they should raise the bar of hall-of-frame. In my opinion, only the top 5 players in each generation should be in HOF. I have an idea. How about setting up different levels of hall of frame? Players like Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, James, Curry, etc. get to the Platinum tier. KD & Giannis belong to the Gold tier, Carmelo & Paul belong to the Silver tier, Westbrook & Harden belong to the Bronze tier, Howard & Leonard get honorable mention
Uh actually the tiers should be legend tier, mj lebron kobe magic etc plat tier, curry bird hakeem etc, gold tier, kd dwade ai (giannis will be in the future maybe even higher), etc etc
I don't mind the numbers, but it makes no sense to me. Rondo is more of a Near-lock than Kyrie. 2 rings vs. 0, 3X assists leader+1X steals leader vs. 1X 50-40-90 club +. Irving got a ring in 2016 with LeBron, was in 50-40-90 club last season, but if he got traded and retired tomorrow, would he get in just as a FIBA MVP in 2014?
After the 2022 season. If the celtics win the finals I could see the celtics retiring his number. And if marcus smart plays like he has for another 10 years he has a chance at the hall of fame
Bruh Demar Derozan and Demarcus Cousins both have the same accolades except derozan has more points, more steals, more assists, same field goal percentage, and higher free throw percentage. they both made 4 all star games and all-nba twice how is boogie over demar
Paul George is more times all star, more times all defensive, more times all NBA, more times top 5 in the MVP, has had much more succes in the playoffs with 3 conference finals appearances while being the best player on his team but by some reason, he is under Cousins for the HoF 🤦🏼😂
The basketball Hall of Fame takes in account all stages of a players' career such as college, NBA, the olympics, FIBA, etc. Carmelo is a guaranteed lock due to his overall career success so I understand why he makes it even without winning a chip. Impact on culture does count towards the Hall of Fame but please explain why a player like Kyrie Irving gets in? Outside of scoring and winning a chip with LBJ, what qualifies him for the HOF? He's never lead a team to the playoffs and has sustained injury every year since leaving Cleveland. He may be a Top 50 scorer of all-time when his career is over but how does that qualify him over a player like Klay Thompson?
I agree with almost all of your takes but I think demar has a chance. I think he's comparable to a player like john wall. Both were dominant eastern conference players for a while but after getting traded/injured, both fell off. Demar helped establish toronto's culture and was the first star who wanted to stay in Canada. I don't see how wall is over demar except how he was better for a slightly longer period of time.
DeMar is also only 32 right now. If he does well with the Bulls next season, and they over perform expectations, he could still improve his legacy. Still very unlikely in my opinion, but should be above Wall.
Well the basketball hall of fame isn’t solely based off of what you do in the NBA it take the Olympics, International play, FIBA, and college into account
It's the Basketball Hall Of Fame which means everything you've done at every level is considered (especially the case for Eupean NBA players.) Chris Webber shouldn't be a debate, his time as a part of the Fab 5 at Michigan was culturally impactful on another level. Making Sacramento relevant should also be considered bonus points lol 😂
Some of those guys still have time to turn those chances around and could possibly add some hardware in the next couple years! Mike Conley may go down as one of the best most over looked players of his day! More of a traditional point gaurd in the day of flashy scoring point gaurds he has been overlooked his whole career. So glad he is getting paid!
While I'd rather him win a finals just based on his narrative, I think he's an absolute lock with an MVP. If he wins an MVP next year (and is 1st Team / All Star), he'd be 2/4/1 All NBA, 7x All Star, MVP, likely >100 WS, and his 2019 WCF run. He's probably a lock with a ring too (unless he's like 39 and falls off quickly), but I could see more of an argument against.
What about Andre Iguodala? You should have put him in one of the tiers. Finals MVP. 3 time Finals Champion. 2 time International Champion. Only 1x all star. 2 time All NBA Defense. A discussion on him is more warranted than some of the other guys in the video.
Rondo has two rings and he's in the top 20 all time assists and he's definitely in the top 10 triple doubles in the playoffs. I think he does need some help to get in but he's definitely not as far down as you said
Smart could if the Celtics win a couple of rings being the third best player and defensive anchor and maybe gets another DPOY Really don't see D Cousins being even close to HOF
You forgot about Kemba which will not make it but it needed to be mentioned, his college career was huge. Also Marc Gasol is a sure fire for his international career. Also you didn't mention Iggy.
@@erwa5198 I said Kemba won't, but he has his small % of possibility for being the all time of a lot of things in one team and because of his college championship, but as I said, He won't make it. Iggy is possible he can make it, mainly for his FMVP. Marc Gasol will sure make it for his international career. Is not NBA Hall of Fame is Basketball Hall of fame.
@@erwa5198 Blake, no, injuries took him out of the possibility sadly. Just curious you know Manu is going to be a Hall of Famer and reason is mainly his international career right?
My opinion: Locks: LBJ, KD, The Chef, Giannis, Harden, Russ, Kawhi, CP3, Howard, Melo, Kyrie, Klay, Rondo, Dame, Jokic Near locks: Draymond, AD, Embiid, PG13, Kevin Love, Marc Gasol, D-Rose Need help: Blake Griffin, Lou-Will, Jimmy Buckets, Lamarcus Aldridge, Beal, Lowry, DeRozan, Jrue Holiday Need a lot of help: Mike Conley, John Wall, Udonis Haslem, CJ McCollum, VanVleet
F yo couch Casey. History has some of the best stories out there. Problem is we learn history from people who don't want us to know the more "fun parts." Check out some podcasts though, you'd be surprised how helpful it is to life
I think there's a gap between Westbrook, Howard, and Anthony compared to the other locks. Still a >95% they get in, but I'd call them near locks and have the next tier below them be something like "Should Get In" (~75-80%). Giannis is debatable too just because his career is so short, but nearly everyone already considers him top 50 of all time.
@@donttalktome9217 u just mad dame sent Russ packing in a buzzer beater and waved bye bye to fraud number 0 because dame is the real number 0 dame is better shooter scorer passer and is a better person overall also he put 71 points russ put up triple dubs yeah but he can’t shoot to save his life and turns the ball over more then his shots go in shut up and sit down son put respect to dame time
Jokic is 26, has an MVP, and has a career PER of 26. He just had a PER of 31, which has only been accomplished 23 times in a season. He's also the greatest passing big man of all time. I would put him as a near lock.
Still way better than Tatum winning MVP this season take of some people.
Right, Jockic just keeps having good seasons and it's a lock. Also, sometimes we forget he is probably the best passing big of the history.
Casey brings up the injuries effecting Jokic's MVP, but he doesn't mention that Jokic's Historic MVP season is statistically superior than the majority of MVPs not named LeBron or MJ. Jokic is on par with Larry Bird.
I would put him above gobert and on par of drose's case before his injury. If he finishes his career at this level for like 8+ years, he can have a case like russ. if he wins a chip or gets close a couple times, he is somewhat similar to giannis's case. I'm just really debating how NEAR near-lock means, so I guess he can be considered near lock
Hes peak so far is already better then ALL tier 2 players. And he hasn't even peaked YET. I can understand placing players with rings ahead partially but Gobert, DRose, Dame???
Doesn't matter, he will be ranked higher then maby half tier 1 players when it's all said and done.
Jokic definitely will be a Lock. Just picked up his second MVP back to back. Top 2 in his position. Close to passing wilt in career triple doubles for centers. Already made WCF (melo only made it once in his longer career).
bro most of the time if u win mvp u are a lock jokic won back to back no question
@@autismspectrum-k7yand now is a champion surely a lock
I think Andre Iguodala deserves at least a mention in the hall of Fame discussion. I'm not saying first ballot but I think he can definitely get in there
Cause as a man once said "If the fate of the universe is on the line, I want IGUODALA!!"
@@Nazoto he has a finals mvp longevity 3 ring and many other
I was about to say that too, as a thunder fan I hated the dubs, but he has my respect, he was an all star and one of the most impactful bench players and vets for a dynasty. Hope he atleast gets consideration.
Maybe he'll not be included on the discussion, but he'll surely be a hall of famer, he's well liked by the coaches and the media and is seem like that essential player for a winning culture...
Bruh Kyle Lowry has a 85.7% chance of getting in according to Basketball Reference. That's better than "needs help" he has the longevity and the ring
Fax
This man hates the raptors. Dw
Basketball ball reference is terrible when it comes to hall of fame chances
Lowry has a higher % then kawhi and Giannas
@@shizlaker agreed
Golbert is a lock because of the 3 DPOY awards and his years of dominance playing with France. It’s the basketball HOF not NBA HOF.
Yes, people forgetting International bball. I bealive he will get in and rightfully so.
Still shouldn't be ranked above Jokic on any list. It's hardly even debatable.
he gets exposed on defense every playoffs, especially last season. Fake DPOYs
@@bingobananasmesopotamia466 that is an overrated narrative
@@kingdinodragonite3470 all he is is a really good rim protector, that's the only part of defense that he's good at. terrible perimeter defense, not the best defensive iq and average if not below that in any other scenario where he isn't directly under the rim
@@bingobananasmesopotamia466 i agree
Gobert has only 6.5% probability according to bball reference
yeah he won 3 dpoy, but two he didn't deserve , and he's honestly hella overrated as a defender and a player.... he gets targeted in playoffs
I love dwight, really underrated by the younger gen
Diwight was so good in his prime
Yup, his time with the Orlando Magic alone makes him a lock for the hall of fame.
Paul George deserves to be a tier higher than you placed him
7x All star
6x All NBA
4x All Defense
3 Conference Finals as Best Player on the Team
MVP and DPOY Candidate
Not even giving him a mention is disrespectful bro
I didn’t even see PG he will make it mad he’s in tier 2
Very true, he didn’t even speak on PG
True
Paul George is a near LOCK.
Playoff P all day long baby!
"DRose has a cultural impact unmatched by anyone other than Michael Jordan" -- uhh, are you serious? Ever heard of Allen Iverson?
I think Rondo should be a tier up, simply because unlike Rose, he was able to slowly decline from all star, to above average starter, to starter, to roleplayer without having a horrible season(with the exception of the Dallas season) vs Rose’s massive fall off during the NYK/CLE stints until the revival in Minnesota
Both Gasol brothers are a lock due to their international play.
Pau is but Marc hasn't accomplished that much.
@@Arnav_1102 dpoy, champ, allstar
Both!
Yo Casey love the new editing style
Thank you!! Brand new editor!!
Hoops nice
I’d say Marc Gasol is a lock based off his dpoy, chip, and international career
This is the best one so far thank you I never really thought about all the stuff you said and I'm a big NBA fan keep up the good work
I don’t see any way the boogie gets in, he has played well on awful teams (except for one year with AD), but no longevity no hardware of any kind
There’s no way boogie should make it
6:08 DeRozan? He will retire his jersey in Toronto and was one of the best if not the best raptor of all time
ikr
I think he has the scoring record.
@@mauszx he does
@swft.wrldly check out my comment I 100% agree with you.We The North baby!
Derozan will have his number retired by the Raptors. Unlike Vince, Demar actually loved playing in Toronto. The only reason he’s gone is cos he was traded… for Kawhi… who brought them a ring. So, indirectly, Demar still helped them win a chip. Not saying he’ll go to the Hall, but I’m pretty sure Toronto will retire his number.
But Vince is the greatest Raptor who played there not Bosh , Derozan not ohhh wait they screwd Mcgrady out of Toronto. Vince Carter is a sure HoF Derozan not so much. And your last point Derozan helped Toronto win a chip? How? Did he poison the opponent's? Or injured them? No ,what won them a chip is management and the coach
@@TheSobieskiukas I said indirectly, since he was the major trade piece used to acquire Kawhi. It was tongue in cheek humor, so, sorry if you didn't get that. And I didn't say he was better than Vince. All I said was he was going to get his number retired by the Raptors because his leaving the team was not his choice but the team's. As great as Vince was, there is still a lot of hurt feelings because of the way he left. And if you thought I was talking about the Hall, you might want to read my earlier comment again.
@@MrPhilbautista so that's why Raptors made a tribute video too Carter huh? Soo much bad blood that I will honour your time with us?
@@TheSobieskiukas And how does this affect them retiring Derozan"s number? And why do you keep insisting that I'm hating on Carter? I said there were hurt feelings, never mentioned bad blood. Dem's your words. If those hurt feelings are healed, yipee-ki-yay. Are you good now?
@@MrPhilbautista you typed out retire Derozan number not Carter's that's the first problem the second is that you know nothing about Raptors and there history, do you even know why Carter left on bad term's? Or did you started watching NBA 5 year's ago? But no you didn't watch it 5 year's ago the tribute to Carter was 8 year's ago . Third by your logic I can say Jared Allen helped destroy the Net's becouse they are a tragedy now. Sounds good?
Rondo??? Guy is sure HoF. Two rings in which he was important factor plus he is one of the best pure point guard of his generation. His assist numbers and his playmaking vision are top tier.
I think Dame is a lock, Jokic and Lowry are near-locks, and PG is not far behind
They should all make it
Dame is not a lock
@@2chainzzzz126 he is more of a lock than lowry i mean if reggie miller is then dame 100% is
Jokic definitely a lock after his chip
Now Jokic is a two-time MVP, best passing big man ever, could take this Nuggets team to the playoffs by himself, he has the stats clearly on his side... Your take that he needs help didn't age quite well...
About Draymond... Saying that his contribution is a notch below Steph, Klay and KD is such a bad take... Draymond is the anchor of a great defense and a crucial piece of that team...but these things doesn't show up easily on the stat sheet...
Also.. not locking the 3 centerpieces of that 73-win season doesn't make any sense...
watching this in 2022 is really interesting. I think Jokic has now jumped up to hof lock. D-Rose is a big strech but I could see the league inducting him in bcuz mvp. Big miss on DeRozan but if it's for only this season then I still think he has a chance. Marcus won DPOY and could very well win a championship this year so that should bump him up to near locks. Horford can be inducted in the hof maybe (especially how he clamped up giannis) Blake is just not going to make it. He is washed and did not contribute anything to that nets team so he's ruled out. I can see john wall if he makes a return but probably not. Klay is definetley a HOF. Especially with the show he put up against the mavs. He's just 4 games away from winning the chip and it's very much possible
Derozan for me is at least in the need help categories. He has led Raptors to be the second best team in the east for 3 years. Yes, it’s Lebronto but still. Now with the new found success in the Bulls.
If the Bulls become better and he stays relatively good for the next 2-3 seasons, he can be a near lock. Hope he gets it. A really nice guy as well
Best passing big man not a lock. Sure. Lol
Agreed Jokic is a lock for sure, this dude's opinions are mostly trash, he's pretty much just a lakers fan boy.
@@biggusdickus5216 bro he is right,if he continues to play in this level for more 3 years he is a lock
Yes, arguably. But you don't remove anyone he had locked in for Jokic. He was right, my dude.
Jokic ain't a lock yet. Neither is Embiid. I disagree that either "need help" because both are easily on track to be first ballot. But he hasnt played enough time.
@@LB-zg4qi Exactly.
New editor is doing great 🔥
Dwight is a monster in Orlando, can't forget that days, good old times
Dwights defensive highlights were just insane
Nba hof also counts international awards so marc gasol is lock no doubt in the future
Gasol honestly deserves to be in it
Well that's why it's called the Basketball HOF and not the NBA HOF cuz accolades/achievements overseas, college basketball are counted as well
We need more soundtracks to make the video more appealing
“That Demar Derozen take definitely aged well now that he’s on Chicago “
Dwight is the second best Center's to play in the 21st century, of course behind Shaq
What program do you use to create your animations?
AM Hoops, no mention of Luka and Zion? Or is it too early to even bring those guys names up for this particular video?
I think they will make the hall of fame but he wasn’t talking about people that young
what about Paul George, Rajon Rondo, Luka Doncic, Andre Iguadola and others...???
Not gonna happen for Al Horford?👀 you may wanna make another video after the finals Casey..
Iggy and Kemba are two players that I find interesting to think about.
Iggy has the chips and finals MVP, but was a role player for all of his successful years.
Kemba is the greatest Hornet ever (at least for now) and had arguably the greatest NCAA run ever (It’s the basketball hall of fame so this counts). However he hasn’t had any winning success.
Both has all stars as well which make them interesting guys. Not first ballot, but eventually maybe
2:50 I don't understand why you felt the need to make the argument for Russ and Harden but not for Carmelo. While I think they all deserve, Carmelo has a less impressive resume resume than the other two.
Hey Casey, will you do a video predicting both conference seeds? Really interested to see that prediction.
Great Video Casey. I agree with you 100%.
a name you forgot to mention and i dont even blame you for is Luka Doncic. Its the basketball hall of fame, not NBA hall of fame.(also why Chris Weber made it because he was one of the greatest college players ever.) Luka was selected to an all decade team, won MVP, won a championship, won mvp in the euro final four, 2x nba first team, 2x all star, etc. Kind of wild to see but he has been playing professionally since 16 and euro league is the 2nd best basketball league. Great video though this my first time watching a vid and i enjoyed!
you mentioning Vanfleet from the raptors before you mentioning Pascal?
This video was pretty interesting. I do agree with your list of players entering the HOF. I didn't know those were the criteria.
I think they should raise the bar of hall-of-frame. In my opinion, only the top 5 players in each generation should be in HOF. I have an idea. How about setting up different levels of hall of frame? Players like Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, James, Curry, etc. get to the Platinum tier. KD & Giannis belong to the Gold tier, Carmelo & Paul belong to the Silver tier, Westbrook & Harden belong to the Bronze tier, Howard & Leonard get honorable mention
Uh actually the tiers should be legend tier, mj lebron kobe magic etc plat tier, curry bird hakeem etc, gold tier, kd dwade ai (giannis will be in the future maybe even higher), etc etc
No Steph and bird deserve to be in Legend no doubt
Is the frame gone forever! Can't handle those flashing images behind you
This list needs an update
When are you going to do the Q+A video?
Yeah the Jokic thing aged well mans got 2 mvps now
the new "hmmmm" thing looks so funny 😂😂
The DISRESPECT to demar is insane
Facts bro this mf don’t know what he talking about
I don't mind the numbers, but it makes no sense to me.
Rondo is more of a Near-lock than Kyrie. 2 rings vs. 0, 3X assists leader+1X steals leader vs. 1X 50-40-90 club +.
Irving got a ring in 2016 with LeBron, was in 50-40-90 club last season, but if he got traded and retired tomorrow, would he get in just as a FIBA MVP in 2014?
how about Igoudala? is he a lock?
Lol, Jokic needs help but Rudy Gobert is a near lock.
Marc Gasol is also a LOCK for HOF.
He is in from Spain National Team alone.
The disrespect to Derozan
What about Andre Iguodala??? This I insane to leave out iggy
After the 2022 season. If the celtics win the finals I could see the celtics retiring his number. And if marcus smart plays like he has for another 10 years he has a chance at the hall of fame
Pist didn't mention jimmy buckets aka jimmy freaking butler aka playoffs jimmy aka coffee face and so on.
Bruh Demar Derozan and Demarcus Cousins both have the same accolades except derozan has more points, more steals, more assists, same field goal percentage, and higher free throw percentage. they both made 4 all star games and all-nba twice how is boogie over demar
By this guy logic, because of his PER
Paul George is more times all star, more times all defensive, more times all NBA, more times top 5 in the MVP, has had much more succes in the playoffs with 3 conference finals appearances while being the best player on his team but by some reason, he is under Cousins for the HoF 🤦🏼😂
@@ivandreuxzuev9473 yo i didn't even think of paul george he's wayyy better than both honestly
Another good video. You so should be in the hall of fame for nba videos
How about Damian Liliard? Where will you put him am hoops
I think he should make even if he’s stays with Portland and never gets a championship or MVP
The basketball Hall of Fame takes in account all stages of a players' career such as college, NBA, the olympics, FIBA, etc. Carmelo is a guaranteed lock due to his overall career success so I understand why he makes it even without winning a chip. Impact on culture does count towards the Hall of Fame but please explain why a player like Kyrie Irving gets in? Outside of scoring and winning a chip with LBJ, what qualifies him for the HOF? He's never lead a team to the playoffs and has sustained injury every year since leaving Cleveland. He may be a Top 50 scorer of all-time when his career is over but how does that qualify him over a player like Klay Thompson?
He is the greatest ball handler in nba history
What about Tatum?
I love your channel I get all my nba news from you
He has horrible trades tho and it’s fax
@3:22 except Allen Iverson. Agree?
Me lookin how old this is cause Jokic and Embiid are in HELP
Do U think booker will eventually make if?
100%
I agree with almost all of your takes but I think demar has a chance. I think he's comparable to a player like john wall. Both were dominant eastern conference players for a while but after getting traded/injured, both fell off. Demar helped establish toronto's culture and was the first star who wanted to stay in Canada. I don't see how wall is over demar except how he was better for a slightly longer period of time.
DeMar is also only 32 right now. If he does well with the Bulls next season, and they over perform expectations, he could still improve his legacy. Still very unlikely in my opinion, but should be above Wall.
How the hell is Jokic not a near lock? Dude has the highest PER in history and won TWO MVPs? Swap him and Carmelo who hasn't achieved nearly as much.
Butler will get in the Hall of Fame.
I'd like to see an updated list esp since jokic is a 2 time mvp now and everything he did this past year
Kawhi is a lock lock lock 🔐
Give this man more subs please! Keep up the great work!💞
Well the basketball hall of fame isn’t solely based off of what you do in the NBA it take the Olympics, International play, FIBA, and college into account
Its incredible how fast cousins career dropped. Within one season dude went from top center, allstar to "oh yea that guy" and not even playing
It's the Basketball Hall Of Fame which means everything you've done at every level is considered (especially the case for Eupean NBA players.) Chris Webber shouldn't be a debate, his time as a part of the Fab 5 at Michigan was culturally impactful on another level. Making Sacramento relevant should also be considered bonus points lol 😂
Where the hell is Derozen?!
Some of those guys still have time to turn those chances around and could possibly add some hardware in the next couple years! Mike Conley may go down as one of the best most over looked players of his day! More of a traditional point gaurd in the day of flashy scoring point gaurds he has been overlooked his whole career. So glad he is getting paid!
How if Fred Vanvleet on any list here if siakam isnt there
make an updated one
This is awesome!
A whole video about future Hall of famers and no mention of 4 time champion and finals MVP Andre Iguodala?
if klay has a decent season, same with draymond they will make the hall of fame
Wait but K.Love is a 5x all star, 1x nba champ, 2x all nba, mip, 1x Olympic gold medalist so. So how is that not near lock?
Is it more important for dame to win a chip or win an mvp for him to make the hall of fame?
While I'd rather him win a finals just based on his narrative, I think he's an absolute lock with an MVP. If he wins an MVP next year (and is 1st Team / All Star), he'd be 2/4/1 All NBA, 7x All Star, MVP, likely >100 WS, and his 2019 WCF run. He's probably a lock with a ring too (unless he's like 39 and falls off quickly), but I could see more of an argument against.
Legacy wise I think a chip personally would push his legacy/narrative more then an mvp would (personal opinion)
Carmelo is the guy you need to justify putting in your first tier
What about d book
What about Andre Iguodala? You should have put him in one of the tiers. Finals MVP. 3 time Finals Champion. 2 time International Champion. Only 1x all star. 2 time All NBA Defense. A discussion on him is more warranted than some of the other guys in the video.
The disrespect of Derozan is just too funny
Is that BSOLZ in the background lmfao
Rondo has two rings and he's in the top 20 all time assists and he's definitely in the top 10 triple doubles in the playoffs. I think he does need some help to get in but he's definitely not as far down as you said
Demar should be with need help or alot of help
Smart could if the Celtics win a couple of rings being the third best player and defensive anchor and maybe gets another DPOY
Really don't see D Cousins being even close to HOF
You forgot about Kemba which will not make it but it needed to be mentioned, his college career was huge. Also Marc Gasol is a sure fire for his international career. Also you didn't mention Iggy.
Okay none of those guys that you mentioned kemba Walker Iggy and Marc gasol will make the Hall of Fame
@@erwa5198 I said Kemba won't, but he has his small % of possibility for being the all time of a lot of things in one team and because of his college championship, but as I said, He won't make it. Iggy is possible he can make it, mainly for his FMVP. Marc Gasol will sure make it for his international career. Is not NBA Hall of Fame is Basketball Hall of fame.
@@mauszx hey cool just curious hey do you think Blake Griffin will make the Hall of Fame? Just asking
@@erwa5198 Blake, no, injuries took him out of the possibility sadly.
Just curious you know Manu is going to be a Hall of Famer and reason is mainly his international career right?
@@mauszx manu yes he is Hall of famer
Nice Video!
Thanks CJ!
Bruh Kyle Lowry has a 85.7% chance of getting in according to Basketball Reference. That's better than "needs help"
That's fine. This is according to me.
@@AMHoops But why does he need help according to you? there's a big gap between 85% and needs help
@@vuvuzela691 its an opinion calm down
@@AMHoops No mention of Luka and Zion in your video? Or did you purposely leave those guys out because of them still being very young?
@@vexotimmer2675 he said it in the intro that there would only be players who are far into their careers.
McGee will probably make it at this point be cool see him and mom's in NBA and WNBA hall together
No he won't
Naw
marcus smart has a chance with dpoy and the finals appearance this year. plus if celtics somehow win it that helps him a lot
My opinion:
Locks: LBJ, KD, The Chef, Giannis, Harden, Russ, Kawhi, CP3, Howard, Melo, Kyrie, Klay, Rondo, Dame, Jokic
Near locks: Draymond, AD, Embiid, PG13, Kevin Love, Marc Gasol, D-Rose
Need help: Blake Griffin, Lou-Will, Jimmy Buckets, Lamarcus Aldridge, Beal, Lowry, DeRozan, Jrue Holiday
Need a lot of help: Mike Conley, John Wall, Udonis Haslem, CJ McCollum, VanVleet
F yo couch Casey. History has some of the best stories out there. Problem is we learn history from people who don't want us to know the more "fun parts." Check out some podcasts though, you'd be surprised how helpful it is to life
I think there's a gap between Westbrook, Howard, and Anthony compared to the other locks. Still a >95% they get in, but I'd call them near locks and have the next tier below them be something like "Should Get In" (~75-80%). Giannis is debatable too just because his career is so short, but nearly everyone already considers him top 50 of all time.
Westbrook is a lock the man is a legend hes Mr triple double man made the impossible seem normal
There’s not a single chance that Westbrook doesn’t get into the hall of fame lmao
Westbrook near lock? Buddy stop dont ever put russ next to dame on near lock lmfao
@@donttalktome9217 u just mad dame sent Russ packing in a buzzer beater and waved bye bye to fraud number 0 because dame is the real number 0 dame is better shooter scorer passer and is a better person overall also he put 71 points russ put up triple dubs yeah but he can’t shoot to save his life and turns the ball over more then his shots go in shut up and sit down son put respect to dame time
Where would you rank Middleton?
I think he probably won’t make it he’s great but I think only the best players should make it and he not quite that good
How come luka isn't on this pyramid
I love that you had Derrick Rose in there!