Reclaiming 40000 Temples
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- In this podcast, Kushal speaks with Abhijit Chavda about the overall state of Indian discourse. With the rise of alternative media since 2000, the content landscape in India has changed. To add to this chaos, we had the advent of social media. What is the road ahead for Indian discourse? How does one define some parameters in discourse? Can they even be achieved?
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Definitely get back as much as possible, temple land also has it's own insentric value, we can use these land for wealth creation and use for hindu community charity.
I had some problems with abhijits iyers stand however kushal echoes my stand quite well...
@7:29 This is the crux of the issue. This is where the problem lies for people like Kushal when JSD said that a single entity cannot make concessions on behalf of devout Hindus on temple reclamation, even if it is the BJP or RSS. This is what hurts him the most. This is why he would not harp about Khalid and Amana's argument of reclaimation beyond 3 leading to "confrontation" so much but constantly keep on discrediting the other side by using 40k as a strawman by deliberately ignoring the intent behind that argument. He is doing this because they are looking beyond BJP-RSS views on Hindu issues.
Kushal thinks that the sole upholder and representative of Hindu side is the BJP-RSS and no one with a different view of theirs has any credibility to negotiate on Hindu issues, if they disagree with the RSS. No one who came after RSS can have a better approach to Hindu issues. Ironically, the person he keeps citing for proof on temples i.e., Sitaram Goel, was a staunch critic of the RSS himself.
Kushal tries to prove himself to be superior by linking himself to the BJP and RSS. As if, it proves him right on every Hindu issue. It literally means nothing but only appeal to authority.
Other points of view may be new but can't those be better than those of the BJP-RSS. If not so, how is this different from monotheistic prophetism of Islam where there cannot be any prophet after Mohammad. In his case, RSS is the last prophet for Hindu interests. This is clearly Abrahamic way of thinking which is consistently despises.
Summary - Kushal's main issue is not with the 40k number because most of the people, including him, understand that it is not a statement of fact but a statement of intent and being used as a negotiating tactic with the stubborn Muslim side. His main issue is why do people like JSD, Anand Ranganathan, etc. speak for Hindu interests going beyond the BJP, specially the RSS view.
P.S. - I have a lot of respect for the RSS for whatever they have done and doing for Bharat and Hindu society. However, it does not mean that they should have sole copyright on Hindu discourse and everyone who disagrees with or criticises them must be discredited. People can develop better Hindu discourse than the RSS like Sitaram Goel did. Whoever disagrees with the BJP-RSS or their ardent supporters on certain Hindu issues are not necessarily Onga-ponga. Also, now, do not give examples like that of Karpatri Maharaj, casteist Shankaracharyas, etc. because you will be doing what you accuse others of doing i.e., picking up on lowest common denominators and typecasting the entire group as them.
I agree with Kushal. Any number that is cited must be based on facts n evidence! Else Hindu right wing will end up not being taken seriously like it was done few decades ago. If there is serious evidence n attempt to pray has been done then it must be claimed!
@@Artrader_em8ko Who has said that temples must be reclaimed without evidence. It is a strawman.
@@abhayagarwal2589 the number 40,000 must be cited with evidence is what I said. List of 40,000 temples must be given. If they claim 1,800 then list of 1,800 must be given. Can’t just come up with these random numbers!!
@@Artrader_em8ko As I said in my comment and Kushal also said in this clip that this maybe a negotiating tactic or statement of intent. However, Kushal has not been too vocal against those people who said that reclaiming beyond 3 temples will lead to 'confrontation'. His main issue is with people who advocate for Hindu issues without seeking validation from the RSS. This why all such people are discredited and labelled as 'casteist trads' for taking a line independent of the RSS.
@@abhayagarwal2589it's because none of the independent forces apart from BJP RSS have power to gain temples to their justice. The problem with people who claim that they don't need RSS support or validation is they don't have any significant political power. Without political power, you can't do anything. These all intellectual talks are good only for university lectures. In reality, only political power matters which BJP have. Even BJP is in power with only 39% of hindus votes. So other majority of chunk still don't vote for BJP and major significant portion of that percentage also goes to Congress who could have never put Ram Mandir case to its justice. I respect JSD and Anand but tell me who is more responsible for Ram Mandir current status contributions wise if I would compare them to Modi and Advani. Obviously Modi and Advani. So importance of Modi and Advani for this subject matter will remain billions times more than JSD or Ranghnathan. It's easy to talk about these issues and it's totally different thing to get political power and end the case of Ram Mandir through Supreme Court however you criticise RSS and BJP. Hindus think that they are united for this temple cause which is a blatant lie. It's not the truth. Whatever chunk of hindus are united today because of RSS & BJP not JSD or Ranghnathan. In fact JSD and Ranghnathan are product of 2014 BJP gaining power. JSD himself admitted that before 2014 his freedom of speech was not respected. Whatever significant reach he has gained in news media and intellectual forums possible after 2014. So importance of RSS and BJP will remain far more than these few independent forces.
@kushal
Ambedkar made a passing reference to 40k temples in his book Pakistan or Partition of India. I guess this is where this number comes from.
Another nonsense, if you ask people in Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia and Indonesia, they respect a lot their old Hindu traditions. India sent emissaries to reach out to them, student came from there to learn. Hinduism is not a religion its a civilisation of which they were equal part.
Great point, also important to mention in this context is rhat Hinduism is not ethnic, it does not matter what your skin color, facial features or ancestry are, you can belong to the Hindu civilization and spiritual system
Such podcasts only weaken the resolve of Hindus. It is very sad to hear this from you. We are not getting even Kashi and Mathura even after so much evidence. You understand the enormity of task on our hand? If you cannot help, at least don't put impediments.
Your effort shows-awesome!
Greetings Kushal. I listened to an iPod with Dr S Swami and gave sound basis/reasons on maintaining three main temples (1 done 2 in process). Dr S point is that the basis for main three, the hindu community cannot go to a different place coz of its very belief + significances... the remaining 40,000 or so temples are different bec there is no significant in nature, and therefore with agreement/conciliation with the Muslim community, the temple can be moved to a different spot...
Nice.....
I think we should probably move on now and focus on other important stuff. These temples reclaiming issue takes up too much space in public discourse with very little left to discuss other more important aspects of our economy and society.
totally agree, these type of things should happen automatically once POW is abolished. so we should create pressure on gov to include that in their manifesto asap
Then you miss the aspect of temple contributing to both society and economy. Especially when a temple is of a certain grandeur. Like Ram temple.
Both are interdependent... it's about our civilization and true history. It will empower Indians and they won't be a slave to anyone in future. We need to make our India strong and number one in the world just like it was from the beginning but the invaders destroyed and made us weak. And this is God's land if their homes have been destroyed it's our duty to build their homes again.
It is not a dead cause of action. If Muslim attitudes had completely reformed today, and maybe they no longer share the attitudes which led to those depredations in the first place, then it may have madevsense to ask for a few key sites and let the rest be.
But that is not how it is actually . While we are trying to be magnanimous, do you actually have any guarantee that no temples would henceforth be destroyed or vandalized by Muslims in future. You actually don't have any such guarantee. In fact the kinds of attitudes of the mideaval centuries are quite widespread among the community even today. In India and abroad. You have Sharia for UK, Sharia for France. Even in India, the outlook in the community seems to be that Hindus are being unreasonable in asking for return of their temples , that is making Muslims very angry, and so now they may go on a rampage again and they would be justified in doing so because Hindus are being unreasonable by asking for their temples.
Which is why giving up claims on the so many destroyed temples does not find purchase with me v
Typical librandu mindset
Do you have clone or something? Same time two podcasts?
Kashi and Mathura are non negotiable.
all temples from Kabul to Kohima, Katmandu to Kumari are non-negatiable. All temples that were destroyed/converted will be reclaimed.
@@cyb-mhahaha brainwash Indian gobar bakht there is no hindu temple kabul 😂😂😂😂
@@cyb-m however that is not possible
@@namah4399 it is and it will be reclaimed.
@@cyb-m just ask yourself
Will it actually help to bring india's cultural heritage to its actual dessrved position ?
If only building temples will make India a Hindu Rashtra then try it out
Kushals stand is better when it comes to this he understands how things work and human psyche.
Even Vishnu Shankar Jain is talking about 40k...What are you talking about?
@7:29 This is the crux of the issue. This is where the problem lies for people like Kushal when JSD said that a single entity cannot make concessions on behalf of devout Hindus on temple reclamation, even if it is the BJP or RSS. This is what hurts him the most. This is why he would not harp about Khalid and Amana's argument of reclaimation beyond 3 leading to "confrontation" so much but constantly keep on discrediting the other side by using 40k as a strawman by deliberately ignoring the intent behind that argument. He is doing this because they are looking beyond BJP-RSS views on Hindu issues.
Kushal thinks that the sole upholder and representative of Hindu side is the BJP-RSS and no one with a different view of theirs has any credibility to negotiate on Hindu issues, if they disagree with the RSS. No one who came after RSS can have a better approach to Hindu issues. Ironically, the person he keeps citing for proof on temples i.e., Sitaram Goel, was a staunch critic of the RSS himself.
Kushal tries to prove himself to be superior by linking himself to the BJP and RSS. As if, it proves him right on every Hindu issue. It literally means nothing but only appeal to authority.
Other points of view may be new but can't those be better than those of the BJP-RSS. If not so, how is this different from monotheistic prophetism of Islam where there cannot be any prophet after Mohammad. In his case, RSS is the last prophet for Hindu interests. This is clearly Abrahamic way of thinking which is consistently despises.
Summary - Kushal's main issue is not with the 40k number because most of the people, including him, understand that it is not a statement of fact but a statement of intent and being used as a negotiating tactic with the stubborn Muslim side. His main issue is why do people like JSD, Anand Ranganathan, etc. speak for Hindu interests going beyond the BJP, specially the RSS view.
P.S. - I have a lot of respect for the RSS for whatever they have done and doing for Bharat and Hindu society. However, it does not mean that they should have sole copyright on Hindu discourse and everyone who disagrees with or criticises them must be discredited. People can develop better Hindu discourse than the RSS like Sitaram Goel did. Whoever disagrees with the BJP-RSS or their ardent supporters on certain Hindu issues are not necessarily Onga-ponga. Also, now, do not give examples like that of Karpatri Maharaj, casteist Shankaracharyas, etc. because you will be doing what you accuse others of doing i.e., picking up on lowest common denominators and typecasting the entire group as them.
I don't agree with it, why not investigate all those which is claimed to have been destroyed. We owe to our ancestors and to our children that we stood with our civilisation and hold only the invaders and no one else responsible for these destructions.
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Haa, jaroorat pari toh pura desh khod denge, kab se Bharat ke experts demand kar rahe hai ki Nalanda ki khud ki jaaye, Bhartiye sikhsa vevashtha ke baare mein bahut kuchh pata chalega, hamare itihas ke baare mein gyan milega lekin na toh ye Central govt sun rahi aur nhi state govt 😓😓😓😓😓, jo Satya hai usse toh khod kar bahar laana hi hoga na 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Ah now kushal is back to his fence sitting elements 😅. Every temple will be judged based on merits . So he doesn't need to worry. Hindus don't have that much patience to pursue all temples .
Cambodia me we gave money to build the temple like we give aid to neighbors now and they too build temple to do good diplomacy and get trade.
Will the kamasutra will be revived??
Oh Yeah
That comment doesn't even make sense. Try not to think too much.
Kamasutra isn't a temple 😊
in my opinion the peaceful qom practises it extensively ,xerox of mo life .😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
As per Leftists, 80 temples to banta hai because of Richard Eaton's article.
Bhai J Sai Deepakji or Anand ranganathanji bhi 40000 bol rahe he pata nahi q aapko unke saath baat karni chaiye is par😇
kushal has to face the public as he should be talking the truth not something without anything
@@Shivshakti998Kushal never acted like that, it is rather the jingoistic Trads folks who does that sort of stuffs
Why does Kushal not do a podcast with someone from the 40k side. I can understand if he does not invite JSD because he is not on talking terms with him, at least he can invite Anand Ranganathan because he still invites him occassionally and is his friend. He is going on criticising the 40k side but does not want to talk to them in his podcast on the same. So much for being open minded.
I agree with Kushal. Any number that is cited must be based on facts n evidence! Else Hindu right wing will end up not being taken seriously like it was done few decades ago. If there is serious evidence n attempt to pray has been done then it must be claimed!
If mujhe sab Pata Hai baki sab fuddu had a face#kushal. Hindu wave Mai thode paise or views kama lo nothingelse, he can't have a debate without undermining others. 2 books padh ke he has more knowledge than 99% population. You could see abhijit was like ye mujhe history padha sraha hai, lol.
DONT FORGET THOSE IN PAKYSTAAN 😉 😅
good point
@@prasah18don’t worry there will be another anhinandhan episode😂😂
Thumbnail is 😂😂
These thumbnails have to stop 😂😂😂
He surely pays his editor very well 😂
New number 55000
Why do people take this guy seriously? I remember watching him talking to Veedu Vids...He was a clown then and nothing has improved with his half baked info
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Ah, the classic strategy of sprinkling "sanghi" in every sentence in a Hindu wave is to earn money. Stick to your views, but remember, authenticity beats the fake Hindu vibes any day. Also the wisdom of reading two books making one a genius! Perhaps the third book is the charm for enlightenment. Dont be that" know it all' and undermine everyone else, a knowledgeable person never shouts that i am the most learned. Ps deleting comments is only gonna worse things for you😅. Lastly, no hindu is asking for your comment on this which also reflects in your viewership.
If not I will start my own podcast as us military veteran
Don't be superficial. SD gave rhetorical number to make his point. What are YOUU doing. Flirting around that number, nobody is thinking except you. I pity Chawda. Kunal be genuine.
Humare yaha toh jameen hadapne ke liye mandir banaya hua hai 😂😂 ive grown up in the same area the temple was built... First they brought some murtis and they slowly built the temple... Ive seen it
Where are you located ?
We didnt care for temples and forts which we already have, this hyped thought will eventually die down.
the Question posed by friends of Kushal.....Khalid and Amana wasnt on the 40000 temples.......they clearly mentioned the word "Confrontational"..............without addressing this word kushal is diverting the topic to 40000 temples .......he is playing the leftist game.........and clearly from his earlier podcast he has a problem with the rising popularity of JSD.....hence his words....."'i wont back a populist number '......JSD is representing various temple liberation in courts meanwhile Kushal will be begging for 1 rupees donation at kushal@icici bank to support his fixation with the number "40000".
BTW his next argument will be RSS did more than JSD for temples........bhai naa tu RSS ka hai na main........using RSS simply proves that you have nothing of your own standing......issi liye baisaakhi chaiye of RSS.......Hindus Respect the RSS but they are not the hole and sole of the Hindu civilisation.......read why Veer Savarkar was against RSS and the rationale for it. In my opinion Veer Savarkar has more say in hindu Revival than RSS.......read his 13 yrs of breaking the caste barriers in Ratnagiri after being released from Kala paani
Sita ram was a historian, JSD is not a historian, what is your evidence and proof for 40000 temples?
@@Anxh007 here i agree with you that only JSD can answer for that number and its source which isn't Sita ram goel .......I have read Sita Ram goel's "Hindu temples- What happened to them"....The listed number of temples in the book which were destroyed and converted in mosques, idgahs and other islamic religous sites rounds upto 2000 temples...this sitaram goel, ram swarup, arun shourie mention in the preface of volume one by calling it as the 'tip of the iceberg'......what the books also speaks about are the temples which were completely destroyed and repurposed for other activites....meaning land grabs ........that part is the 'Entire Iceberg'........this is where i was disappointed with kushal for diverting the issue to only 40000 which he could have directly asked JSD to justify.....but instead made it into the whole issue
@@AjjutheConquerorwithout political power, all you are aspirations will remain dream only. So acknowledge that fact. Today RSS BJP is in power with 39% voteshare. So even significant chunk of hindus also don't care about the temple cause. Stop living in imaginary reality. Whatever progress Ram Temple has achieved only due to political power. If you want the temples as per your aspirations then get the political power and regained it through legal process. Rathyatra was organized by Modi and thousands of Sevaks, not JSD. It's easy to talk about these issues in university and it's different thing to implement it on the ground. Even JSD is product of BJP and RSS. I would tell you why because before 2014 due to Congress strong institution control JSD couldn't express his views on any print media or intellectual forums which he started to express after 2014. This is admitted by JSD himself. So importance of RSS and BJP is far more than you think right now.😂😂
@dharmeshparikh7837 Replied in my earlier post answering Ansh of how JSD should back his number of 40000 and i am not gonna be his spokesperson.......the issue i raised is of how hindus themselves are diluting the narrative by not addressing the core issue at hand which is muslim exceptionalism(apparently muslims will decide where hindus should stop at temple reclaimation and with what legalities.)......Modi and BJP while in opposition used to speak openly of it.....now due to the very fact that they are in power this narrative is being sidelined......thats the problem......no one is taking the credit of Ram temple from BJP and RSS....but surely one can expose their doublespeak when in opposition and when in power.
Bro you need to give me space on your podcast and you will not disappoint promise you
Sitaram Goel is not the authority of number of temples, Abhijit also repeats this logic curiously!! Are you both in sync. Maybe others can prove more than 1800 temples!
But they haven't yet have they?
May be they can fund more temples but if we have any tangible evidences than it should be reclaimed and there are many temples who are abonded by hindus do not go there that should be restored
Ignore kro aise faltu ke podcast ko, sbke apne apne rights hai, har case ka barabar importance hai chahe wo chhoti se chhoti jagah kyu na ho, mil jul ke sbhi apni ladai continue rakho, saty ki jeet hogi aur har wo mandir पुनर्स्थापित hoga jise toda gya aakrantao ke dwara, number se koi farak nahi padta chahe 40k ho chahe 40 ho chahe 40 lakh, har ek case important hai
if you have valid proof and evidence you can approach the court but throwing random numbers will only hurt the cause!
@@angad_3 I don't think there's any kind of relation between the speculated number and all the ongoing cases. Therefore people should stop getting stuck to this point like a gramophone in today's 5g era
I agree with Kushal. Any number that is cited must be based on facts n evidence! Else Hindu right wing will end up not being taken seriously like it was done few decades ago. If there is serious evidence n attempt to pray has been done then it must be claimed!