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State Of Our Discourse
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
- In this podcast, Kushal speaks with Abhijit Chavda about the overall state of Indian discourse. With the rise of alternative media since 2000, the content landscape in India has changed. To add to this chaos, we had the advent of social media. What is the road ahead for Indian discourse? How does one define some parameters in discourse? Can they even be achieved?
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00:00:00 - intro
00:02:43 - Abhijit Chadva Origin
00:10:25 - Indian Discourse
00:13:29 - deciphering truth
00:15:51 - Politics
00:21:05 - bollywood and soft power
00:22:35 - Power and Relationship
00:28:30 - Ukraine Russia Proxy War
00:32:08 - The right to be a hypocrite
00:36:20 - China
00:43:15 - Indian Power
00:50:25 - Modern Editors and Podcasts
01:05:15 - AIT, OIT, AMT
01:07:17 - Analyzing a Historic Figure
01:19:55 - QnA
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Chavda sir, the legend of modern Indian narrative🇮🇳
chavda sir was the starting point of getting into Bharatiya rootes , i didjt knew anything ,
thanks to ghenhis khan video
After seeing Abhijith Chavda's fanboys, I had a very questionable opinion about him. Turns out he is pretty awesome and a realist!!!!
Can't say the same about most of his followers tho😬
It is always like that.. The speaker is always pragmatic and nuanced in his ideas. Fanboys will not spend time critically thinking what the speaker has said and in what context. Then they go out and puke nonsense which is out of context in every other context except the context in which it was said so. The speaker gets bashed as charlatan because the bashers themselves won't watch the speaker's talks (first hand research is non existent)
@@AkshayNalavade18haha you failed to realize they speaking at cross purposes. So much for being a 'realist"
I thank you for sharing this collaboration with us,
it was an insightful conversation to listen to...
Malaysia is a modern day Apartheid State ruled by Malay Muslims with different laws for different religions and races. Read their Bumiputera Policies basically a modern day Apartheid State.
Kushal & Abhijit team simply ROCKS..!! 👍👍👍
AC is the best Geopolitical Analyst currently as i have seen all his last 2 years podcasts! Honest & Pragmatic as always!
They are sitting in the same room!! I noticed only when Kushal’s hand popped up in Abhijeet’s screen!
When??
Kushal da, pls organise a debate of Abhijit Chadva vs Abhijit Iyer Mitra on topics of history and geopolitics and defence, and pls make it a 2 hour podcast and try to make it asap. Pessimism vs Optimism. I bet it'll sell. Much love and support to your show😁
Abhijit vs Abhijit hahah
AC podcast with Prakhar few days back is much appreciated for general public🙏
Loved what they said from 1:01:34 to 1:01:46
Finally Abhijit chavda in the house 🤙
Interesting,stimulating , informative and sparkling conversation between 2 bright minds without foul language and scatological humor .. absolute treat ! Thankyou 💕
A discussion on 'State of Indian politics' with Tehseen Poonawala on this show would be a great chat too.
Good episode. It is very true that due to very poor education system, bharatiya l's critical thinking is very poor. We are driven by emotions and not cold hard logic and strategy. We must learn from our past and our competitors in this age. Would love Abhijit to do.more science podcasts. Perhaps he can rehash his past ones on bitesize chunks for the tiktock audience.
People become champions in a topic overnight. That was actually something I never thought about but I have been following you guys for years
"hmm Where is the map"
"ah here is the map" 😄
2 of my favs who made be more bharartiya and awake.... 😊
Aum Namah Shivaaya
1:41:07, You're welcome.
Kunal is idealistic as EVERYONE SHOULD TRY TO BE. You can have 1K subscribers or 10 Million subscibers but, if you choose this path, it is your moral responsibility to be truthful . Political correctness need to be thrown in the trash where it belongs.
problem is incentivisation in science, no one supports science lovers if they dont want to grow as engineers. Its all about salary & iphone...!
Lokmanya Tilak was sent to kalapani,
Gentleman like u two should reasearch on how lokmanya tilak implemented idea of freedom pan India before Gandhi came in picture
@Kushalmehra bhai , your pan number is shown when you where trying to ASI report , make sure you blur or remove it for security reasons
Gandhi was a British agent just like rahul gandhi is a modi agent😂
If you two really care for the next generation to read, analyze and then form opinions. You should do a workshop podcast with examples on how you form your opinions.
I will surely watch it if you do.
As many temples as have been preserved in Hindu public memory and are chronicled and evidenced. Kushal's analogy of Islamic chroniclers' description of their heroes' exploits and the miracle claims of different faiths is specious.
Sir video main apka PAN dekhra hai..trim it
2 great podcasters of India ❤ love both of your work ❤ more power to you.
Btw kushal I have a question for you what is your thoughts about Amanda Hugginkis theory about geopolitical stand of India?
At 12.50-1300, I remember AIM calling Xi mad
until half way i didn't realize they were in same room
Wow 🎉
Abhijit ji is our neil degrasse tyson. I especially like his science and space podcasts. It takes my mind away from everything else
Yeah but listen what he says about india when we did moon mission and how he defends gender fluidity. He is a tv fame addict picking basic concepts and exaggerating them. For science, there are people talking serious stuff. If you think otherwise, do point me to the podcast.
1:31:45 books to read
Hey i dont know how successful I will be with this but Im planning to start a podcast on science of machine intelligence and cognition and to make it understandable for most people Im starting by making short form content where Im investigation this topic from the very first questions and documenting my whole journey of studying so even making videos on how i study, understand topics, find pattern etc. So i have this belief that a science podcast can work in india without making it masaledar this way (one of many ways, there can also be other ways too )
Why would youtubers be antagonistic with eachother, I could watch both your channels unlike tv channels which one can only watch one at a time
Why is kushal fidgeting with the mouse continuously while Abhijit is talking ...
Notes on screen
Reference leta hai...
He is getting instructions and tips. Cheat mode.
Alien shows by india TV was to keep the channel aflot as it was in a bad phase, rajat sharma admitted this.
Where/when did he admit him?
Selective morality comes from haram/halal or "Jesus would forgive me...." attitude. For context, watch any christian character, e.g. Sheldon's mom from big bang theory and young sheldon.
Edit- damn G-hunter on fire! He said it.
Humlogo ka bhi population srink hoga jitne yrs k baad expected hai uske phle he.
Log bacche 1-2 kr rhe abhi aur marriages krne wale age k ab shaadi nhi krta chate
Rajiv 💘 Ragini
Brilliant discussion.
Palayan kab Tak new movie teaser released based on waqf board land mafia.
Me too
Kushal shall refrain from side eyeing the screen all the time while abhijit is speaking...
I didnt received notification 😢😢
same
@@vasusingh5046 RUclips hates him
receive hoga... did not likha hain
West ki sazish hai
Kushal bhai, asi ki report jo apne dikhai us k baad aap ka government id ki photo bhi aap ne share kr di.
1:03:00 hvnt seen n e episode mr.chavada talk science... if its on utube ill definatly watch...
58:00 i agree with kushal here and not with abhijit. Bcoz u start by taking some responsibility n that in itself is a gud step. Wo totally successful hoga ya nahi ye important nahi hai bhai.
Aap pehle wo step toh lo jo sahi lagta hai abhi. 10 logo ka group toh build karo jo ek first principles mote mote tor pe maaane .. That will have it's power. Nd then u see where u go.
Saying ke time will tell n all toh then toh ulta hi hoga bhai.
Take the leap of faith
1:01:20 no daaru biceps were hurt in this 😂
Raju❤Ragini
Raj 💘 Priya
1:37:35...you dont have to be defensive about it kushal..these trads will destory an entire generation if left unchecked...demograpic dividend my ass..while the west build fusion reactor and colonizes mars we will still be digging for idols of the past
Are they talking abt beerbiceps😅
The one reason for which I love Imams and Maulavis and Islamic preachers is that they speak for all muslims. I mean they do social work regarding raising their standards of living and seek to ensure a strong social support system for the lower strata of society of their people and also is their voice unlike hindu spiritual gurus who now enjoy lavish lives and hindutwavadis only do upper upper discussions which we common masses can not relate.
Bro you have to more precise in saying things, because that sounded very generalised and biased because I could say the opposite too without making any sense.
Bro every religion does social work.
Maulvis and spiritual Babas are different.
Maulvis advocate for strict adherence of Qur'an while spiritual Babas loot us by faking miracles
There are lavish commercial babas and there are some people with a mission either predominantly social or mostly spiritual or a combination. They are not above criticism but you have to be specific. Unfortunately money is abundant while discernment is rare these days. Even if the other people you allegedly love are the most frugal and hardworking, the message they indoctrinate is narrow tribalistic and anachronistic not to say dangerous for the world. Just consider the states of the societies they dominate.
Maulvis also recruit young naive people for ISIS
They're pakhandi baba. If you go to Himalayan states, there are babas who do social work as well.
kushal bhai show some respect to people
you seem so unconcerned about what abhijeet is talking
feels disrespectful
W thumbnail +1
😂i follow both guy.😂
This feels more like Kushal getting a therapy session with Abhijit sir
😂😂Kushal dekha kya aapke comment ko ?
Kushal sir, request you to invite Chavda sir with Abhijit iyer too on this show. Fireworks are guaranteed with the three of you together
1:29:00 Haider is a big barbarian too 😢
Yeah economics waala list mai kuch naaya kab aayaga .
Yaar AC ke sath Hindi me rakho, reach jyada hogi please.
Abhijeet Chavada is talking like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.
Bit awkward convo. Abhijit wasnt asked questions about his purpported fields and he was clearly not comfortable. Especially during the audience questions. Seems kushal had not researched which topics to ask him. See how jaipur dialogue engages with the same guy.
Manipur is still under curfew.
Toh kya Karen BC?
The tribals there don't give a fock. Govt ko koi mazaa nahi aata curfew lagwa ke. It's to keep them kuki and metei tribals from tearing each other apart.
Abhijit has silently stepped away from out of india 😅😢😂
1:04:33 oh man, Abhijit literally said what I have been thinking for a long time. Engineers literally work like robots. A good engineer is also a good scientist, who has curiosity, who is ready to explore the world. Most of the the engineers are dumb as fuck, with practically no inclination towards first principles. And I'm saying this being an engineer myself 😂😂
50:29 reason i wait till u talk on t
n e topic😂 😅 thank god
abhijeet seems to be lost.....not intrested in conversation
Live chat on rakho bhai
The problem with kushal is that he has read a lot of books and doesn't use his brains.
Video bhi dekha hai aap dono ka Aryan Invasion Theory pe 😂
Neil De Grasse Tyson is overrated BTW.
I would like a professor like him though.
@@DakshtheGOAT I often find fcatual errors in what he says , whites have made a list of his lies..like they did for trump.
Hey, I've seen this opinion a lot of the times nowadays, but I'm never able to comprehend it properly. Well, he is not a scientist or physicist per say...he got recent backlash for his political views and trying to add woke things in scientific theories I guess..?
But what really makes him overrated...
his last papers were published many many years ago...he is a "salesman o science"..which is not bad@@zoomer619
@@zoomer619 He pontificates on matters he has no business speaking on. I'm not even talking about ‘woke’ stuff, that's just Christian fundamentalists getting triggered at what they perceive to be blasphemy.
But most of all, it's his smug attitude that people despise.
Will help if you stick to the topic
Chavda is NOT an expert on History or Social Science related topics.
deal with it
@@premprabhakar805 ok? i guess his target audience is low-nuance / low exposure.
Take a look at this exchange elsewhere in the comments section:
@noneoftheabove666 1 mo ago (edited)
After seeing Abhijith Chavda's fanboys, I had a very questionable opinion about him. Turns out he is pretty awesome and a realist! Can't say the same about most of his followers though…
@AkshayNalavade18. 1 mo ago
It is always like that. The speaker tends to be pragmatic and nuanced in his ideas. Fanboys will not spend time thinking critically about what the speaker has said and in what context. Then they go out and puke stuff would be nonsense in every other context except the context in which it was said. The speaker gets bashed as a charlatan because the bashers themselves won't watch the speaker content-first hand research is almost non-existent.
Take a look at this exchange elsewhere in the comments section:
@noneoftheabove666 1 mo ago (edited)
After seeing Abhijith Chavda's fanboys, I had a very questionable opinion about him. Turns out he is pretty awesome and a realist! Can't say the same about most of his followers though…
@AkshayNalavade18. 1 mo ago
It is always like that. The speaker tends to be pragmatic and nuanced in his ideas. Fanboys will not spend time thinking critically about what the speaker has said and in what context. Then they go out and puke stuff would be nonsense in every other context except the context in which it was said. The speaker gets bashed as a charlatan because the bashers themselves won't watch the speaker content-first hand research is almost non-existent.
Yaar.. ye Banda dusron ko apne show pe bula k khud hi baat karta hai.. kya hai ye? Kyu hai ye?
Get a better camera man! 😅
Also please edit this podcast u have one private document in this.
Kushal sir, please khud ka gudgaan mat kia kijiye. Aap bahut sahi kaam kar rhe, baar baar btane se aapki mehtavta kam hoti hai. ❤
Fortunately abhijit chavda isnt as deluded as kushal.
Kushal seems unprepared and just winging it. Abhijit still seems he knows what he is talking about.
Kushal reads a lot of white papers. Kushal trying hard to sound intellectual. 😂
There are several commentators with loads of insights and educated opinions. Chavda doesn’t bring much to the table. He reads and regurgitates. No food for thought here. I saw his interview of Abhjit Iyer Mitra. He couldn’t connect with or add something substantial to anything Abhjit had to say. This interview is also cringe worthy.
Because in any of his podcast he let his guest to speak do not interfere with them
This can be seen in all of his podcast
And when he goes to others podcast as a guest then he is unstoppable
And about most of the experts share common views that is why they are relatable.
37:00 Is 2 Child Policy a good idea for India?
I know 1 Child Policy is surely not
Is 3 Child Policy better?
if the parents aren't idiotic then yes.
Max 3 min 2 child policy
There is no need for a policy. The population will even itself. All you need is development. A policy of 1,2,3 child just shows your inability to deliver as a government
@@anonymous-yf6ur I think we actually have a pretty good level of development we want people to change there mindset and focus on skill building and security
@lovlina11 Most young people nowadays are not having more than 2 kids. There is no need for any programmes to spread "awareness." Once people get a certain level of quality of life they automatically switch to having less kids. Japan is having negative birth rates not because the government forced them to. Same with west. Same with Russia. China too. 1 child policy just accelerated it. People don't realise how much the industrialisation of china has contributed to their current population crisis. Not saying 1 child policy didn't make things worse. It definitely did, but then the question comes "why aren't they having kids now? One child policy is scrapped off anyways." Therein lies the answer.
1:47:45 Kushal missed dissing the really low-IQ whatsapp-university level question there. I wish he had understood and insulted the guy lol
1:07:22..to bhai fir itni bakaiti kyon ki OUT OF INDIA THEORY ko leke?If you are not so sure...
I think he was saying that however much we debate about it, we never will be able to find out the truth about culture and language and he has a previous podcast about AIT with kushal but yeah it is a little strange that he went on AIT that much mildly instead of aggressive approach he generally takes.
@@DakshtheGOAT he has been soft on AIT lately. If you are on twitter you will see genZ and even adults taking pride in R1A gene and the fact that their ancestors conquered India..WHen people have 0 achievements in the last 500-600 years years and all they know is foreign rule, then they want to associate themselves with the more developed white race, ABHIJIT CHAVDA ne kaafi Bakaiti peli hai OIT ko lekar . During rule of british and thr rise of Nazism the brahmins looked at themselves as foreign to India because they wanted to be associated with the more developed white race. I dont know if AIT is true or not but i will never say OIT is true either. But some people taking pride in their foreign origin and superiority clearly indicates that some genetic memory inside them brings them to this conclusion
We were THE RACE(Wealthy) from the begining till around 1800s . It's like wanting copper with gold plating instead of oxidized gold. Some people are stupid and twitter is known for this shit. I've seen twitter people claiming "Pyramids were built by aliens/Giants". You can't take examples from twitter and I doubt that common (Mostly north because of "Dravidian" party in the south)Indians even know about this bullshit. And in AIT, only the Dalits/Shudra are considered " TRUE INDIANS", So I don't know why you only think BRAHMINS are to blame for non sensical shit. @@pks2552
What faltu papers? Just because they're Indian you're saying they are faltu I haven't seen such biased person ever
But still we import Rafale from the the west so it means reasearch in our country is still not Top Notch. Every IIT professor publishes in those foreign Journals. No one values Indian Journals even today. Those IIT profs want to become chief-editors of those foreign journals..i am talking about engineering journals.@@atomwaffen7943
Bro literally hosted a discussion on State of Indian discourse and invited Chavda who is at the bottom rung of it. 😂
I respectfully disagree with view on Gandhi...it's just one side of story
1.Masses can't fight mighty british with violence (would have lead to massacre bigger dn jaliawala)...as kaushal says u can't fight state with violence in modern days
2. Gandhi wasn't sent to kalapani like subhas or sardar or nehru bcz they were popular leader nd never indulged in violence hence couldn't crack the level they did with Savarkar
So, basically talking about developing critical mind nd spreading one sided story is not something carvaka podcast i subscribed for..
1.Most of people in the british Raj armed forces were Indians. It is like some puny guy being able to beat khali because the puny guy has the control of khali's hands. Even if the armed forces did peaceful satyagrah then the british raj would collapse.
2. In no scenario I can see 800k people winning against 250 million people however much armed they are.
I don't think gandhi was deliberate about it but his veiws very much helped the brits. Imagine someone like Netaji or savarkar in place of gandhi. Raj would have fallen in days.
Gandhi became over the edge secular(even Patel, Savarkar, ambedkar thought so) but only in ways where he would blame hindus for being in majority and if a wrong is directly done by the minority, then it's because of the media propoganda and bullying diaspora... It's the dharmic violence, that has helped us maintain a hindu majoritarian state. The back hand of India was always ready for violence, only the front gandhi talked about non-violence...The Britishers knew that, they knew who fought for them in Africa, in the Ottoman. The Sangh had the people ready, there were passive aggressive movements.
this is like that meme "poora desh nark ki khai me jhoka ja raha hai aur poochta hai, nonviolence me raho"
@@DakshtheGOAT
What nonviolence was he thinking that was being done?
Didn't he knew, 40 years before even Savarkar, syed ahmed khan proposed the two nation theory. Well, JSD in his second book goes back to the time of Akbar. Even late as 12 August 1946, the muslim league declaring the direct action day.
Lord Wavell, the then viceroy and governor-general of India, would later claim that Gandhi had told him at the end of August, 'If India wants blood bath she shall have it... if a bloodbath was necessary, it would come about in spite of non-violence.
Gandhi knew what was happening, but nonviolence was the hill that he choose to get assassinated on, ironically.
this land was under foreign occupation for 8 centuries before gandhi was born.SO you can't blame only gandhi. ALso note that british empire was the strongest industrial empire of the time. People in India are not like vietnamese who will fight side by side against one enemy. Here people were more concerned about purity and pollution(caste) & their personal wealth (i dont blame them because india is a genetically diverse racially ).you say 800k vs 250 million..but u clearly ignored that among those 250 million..they are of different castes,religion,they think differently,they eat differently, u think in 18-19th century a brahmin and a chamar would have fought side by side?and how was India conquered by "only" by 25,000 east India company soldiers before any Indian joined the british army?initially they were all british & irish..yet they managed to campure large parts of India with the help of Chomu maharajas. A bania funded the EIC in bengal beause Siraj-Ud_daulah was an MAd-man hell bent on destroying hindu upper castes.
@@pks2552 it's good only that the concentration of an iron glove was happening, slowly and steadily...but his influence was tremendous, and luckily the amounts of intellectuals representing India and the 2nd world war, created the official momentum of independence for us. Even though it was building up, but whether it was Israel Palestine or india Pak, both had with other colonies, an overburden of guilt that was being put on the crown, and their weak ground after ao many deaths and casualties had them become a Messiah in the new modern post war era, starting from the UN.
Just one view, out of many
Abhijit chawda is not worth bringing on the podcast
Who are you? Don't watch it then!
It was funny how kushal said earlier on, that Abhijit keeps local politics aside and talks about history and science and geopolitics... He is blatantly anti congress and anti left.
@@DakshtheGOAT I didn't watch it. Abhijit has knowledge but his interpretations of facts have always been very biased and many a time blatantly wrong. He cannot contribute in a meaning in this podcast. The moment you bring him you are going to mislead your audience.
@@ramdharisinghdinkar1069 i am his subscriber but i feel he his dishonest
Well, he has criticized the faults of nehru and gandhi but he also has criticize the current government,like he criticizes education system, ASI, defence strategies,Manipur etc. He just supports strong leaders like Indira Gandhi and Narendra Modi. @@zoomer619
1:17:05 this is not Kushal's fault.. this is Chavda's fault.. he speaks in low-nuance, conspiracy-baiting maximalist language all the time. this may be a function of his low-nuance audience, but the blame is on him. just because Indian's like Masala, doesn't make it correct.
Kushal is too idealistic to be a content creator. He forgets the basic fact that at the end of the day, being a content creator is running a business. It takes a lot of things to run a successful business. Not everyone is satisfied with running a youtube channel just with a laptop and streamyard. It takes lots of investment to produce a proper youtube video. He is targeting content creators for no reason.
he isn't targeting anyone, he just wants out discourse to be more realistic and honest ,nothing else
,I mean I also have I hope for india ,
but I'm not delusional like some content creator ,
calling india already superpower, exaggerating every thing
@@rakeshbarman3486no one is delusional in India. If anyone is , then it's these brown uncle Tom's like Kushal sitting in US having a youtube channel with just 1.5 kakh followers that is way lesser than every single youtuber from Haryana. These people are delusional about US and Europe , that are no longer considered as powerful and influential anymore. Zero use of US in today's world to solve global affairs. Modi is needed on every issue. That is what is the real Vishwaguru.
As a content creator you should be able to take feedback and critical comments otherwise just don't create any content. Discussions like this are important to improve discourse in the country.
@@mowiththeflow4446 my foot. Do you think an uncle Tom in America sets the discourse in India ? 🤣
He's not a content creator. He is an idealistic man sharing his views on youtube. Just because someone posts on youtube doesn't mean they're a content creator.
These two keep on criticising the audience but fail to understand that long format videos like podcasts are not everyone's cup of tea. People like short infotainment videos. Neil deGrasse Tyson didn't become famous because he participated in long podcasts. He became accessible because he mixed entertainment with science. Rather than ranting about the audience, these two should introspect and rethink their own content format.
Gandhi was made mahatama by Britishers ruclips.net/user/shorts199wOXmUT-M?si=eZ5BnbYaXxLaUvx3