I recently discovered I'd been hearing a song from my childhood entirely upside down. As a 90's kid, I grew up playing Sonic the Hedgehog, and in particular, playing Sonic 2 on the Genesis. The special stage music is burned into my ears one way, but listening now with my adult, trained musician ears, I now know I'm hearing the melody off by an 8th note later (beat 1 to my ears is the & of 1). Despite the fact that the drums are playing a clear as day kick-snare-kick-snare 4/4 beat, when the main melody comes in after about 8 bars, everything flips and I hear the &'s of the beats as downbeats, creating a funkier, syncopated melody. Try as I might to flip it in my head when listening to it, I just can't hear it the "right" way even though I know I'm 100% wrong.
There is only one way I found to help me turn wrongly learned stuff (Festival de Ritmo, for example 😅). I slow down the song until I can start to hear the 1 on the right spot, learn the melody of the part and keep repeating it, either on piano or in my head. If I STILL can't hear it, I record some midi drums over the song where I know should be the 1, export and listen to it for weeks until I get the melody right in my head. The melody is what is important, the drums you can re-learn easily.
@@MladenDragovicMusic hahahhaaha nice! I'll give you another GREAT way. Find someone who hears it correctly, and ask them to count you in and SING the part. When we sing musical parts, we emphasis certain beats in a way that helps us find the right orientation of the song!
you are insane, one of my favorite drummers is boby jarzonbek, more and more but, i watch your videos playing, and i realize that you are my 2 biggest motivation, one of the best q i have ever seen my whole life, hugs
Hey, let me tell you my humble opinion. If you simply start counting 4/4 after the intro occurs, (on the 10nd second of the song) and consider this as beat one, you can keep counting 4/4 all over the song without stopping it. Since the intro is not specifically 4/4 or 5/4, there is no reason to count that beat as 3, in order to align with beat 1 as the beat 1 that you can hear. And also, i cound it as 4/4 with the snare on the 3rd quarter note. this makes more sense to me because a polymeter with groups of 5 and snaredrum on 2 and 4 is 2 times smaller than the polymeter that occurs on the song. Try it for yourself, and count as 1 the FIRST time the groups of 5 start on the song (its only piano there i think, there are no drums). BTW THANKS FOR THE INTRO COUNT, I COULDNT FIND IT
Do you think you would have to adjust where you perceive the beat to be for the sake of easier communication with the other musicians? I also suspect that even though you could play it perfectly fine on your own while thinking of 1 as being in a different place, playing it together with others and thinking of beat 1 in a different place would result in some very slight rhythmic irregularities.
This is a veeery interesting topic. In my experience, the busier and more rigid the part is, the less it matters. So if the part is very much written to the note, you can probably stick to your version. But the more freedom you have, you DEFINITELY have to adjust yourself to the group, no doubt. It's very noticeable when one band member is off, especially when improvisation is involved.
I'd love for you to talk more about the different weightings that aspects of the music have in this guest/host analogy. E.g. you said that if the total number of 16ths happens to be a multiple of 4, that can completely sway the way you think about the music (or at least what time signature you'd give it). Why is that? And what weighting do other aspects have and why?
@@OscarMSmithMusic In next weeks video I talk about this a bit. When the grand total of beat is a multiplication of 4, I would suspect that will be the time signature. BUT! and this is a big but. There has to be at least 1 musical element that supports it. You'll see next week, it's what those songs are about!
2:37 exactly how I count songs.
Same 😂
I recently discovered I'd been hearing a song from my childhood entirely upside down. As a 90's kid, I grew up playing Sonic the Hedgehog, and in particular, playing Sonic 2 on the Genesis. The special stage music is burned into my ears one way, but listening now with my adult, trained musician ears, I now know I'm hearing the melody off by an 8th note later (beat 1 to my ears is the & of 1). Despite the fact that the drums are playing a clear as day kick-snare-kick-snare 4/4 beat, when the main melody comes in after about 8 bars, everything flips and I hear the &'s of the beats as downbeats, creating a funkier, syncopated melody. Try as I might to flip it in my head when listening to it, I just can't hear it the "right" way even though I know I'm 100% wrong.
EXACTLY
There is only one way I found to help me turn wrongly learned stuff (Festival de Ritmo, for example 😅). I slow down the song until I can start to hear the 1 on the right spot, learn the melody of the part and keep repeating it, either on piano or in my head. If I STILL can't hear it, I record some midi drums over the song where I know should be the 1, export and listen to it for weeks until I get the melody right in my head. The melody is what is important, the drums you can re-learn easily.
@@MladenDragovicMusic hahahhaaha nice!
I'll give you another GREAT way.
Find someone who hears it correctly, and ask them to count you in and SING the part. When we sing musical parts, we emphasis certain beats in a way that helps us find the right orientation of the song!
Thanks. Informative as always.
2:45 LEAFY
you are insane, one of my favorite drummers is boby jarzonbek, more and more but, i watch your videos playing, and i realize that you are my 2 biggest motivation, one of the best q i have ever seen my whole life, hugs
Oh man, this is amazing to read, you made my day.
Me and Jarzombek on the same list?!!?!?
voce, é o que mais me inpressionou, é incrivelmente genial!
seu canal no youtube, vai ser un dos maiores
Thanks for the intro! Sounds so simple when you count it out loud... 😏
Could you do Nairian Oddysey now? 😂
hahahahha I'm gonna give Tigran a break for a while, but definitely!
Sorry I didn't have much to say about the intro, but it's cool AF huh?
Hey, let me tell you my humble opinion.
If you simply start counting 4/4 after the intro occurs, (on the 10nd second of the song) and consider this as beat one, you can keep counting 4/4 all over the song without stopping it. Since the intro is not specifically 4/4 or 5/4, there is no reason to count that beat as 3, in order to align with beat 1 as the beat 1 that you can hear.
And also, i cound it as 4/4 with the snare on the 3rd quarter note. this makes more sense to me because a polymeter with groups of 5 and snaredrum on 2 and 4 is 2 times smaller than the polymeter that occurs on the song.
Try it for yourself, and count as 1 the FIRST time the groups of 5 start on the song (its only piano there i think, there are no drums).
BTW THANKS FOR THE INTRO COUNT, I COULDNT FIND IT
Yo!
It's been many months since this video and I came to that same conclusion at some point so, I think you're completely correct!
Do you think you would have to adjust where you perceive the beat to be for the sake of easier communication with the other musicians? I also suspect that even though you could play it perfectly fine on your own while thinking of 1 as being in a different place, playing it together with others and thinking of beat 1 in a different place would result in some very slight rhythmic irregularities.
This is a veeery interesting topic.
In my experience, the busier and more rigid the part is, the less it matters. So if the part is very much written to the note, you can probably stick to your version.
But the more freedom you have, you DEFINITELY have to adjust yourself to the group, no doubt. It's very noticeable when one band member is off, especially when improvisation is involved.
I'd love for you to talk more about the different weightings that aspects of the music have in this guest/host analogy. E.g. you said that if the total number of 16ths happens to be a multiple of 4, that can completely sway the way you think about the music (or at least what time signature you'd give it). Why is that? And what weighting do other aspects have and why?
@@OscarMSmithMusic In next weeks video I talk about this a bit.
When the grand total of beat is a multiplication of 4, I would suspect that will be the time signature. BUT! and this is a big but.
There has to be at least 1 musical element that supports it. You'll see next week, it's what those songs are about!
Or 5 bar of 6/4 ?
Episode 4.5 (it says 14.5). Now I wanna know why you don't have a house!
I hope that you are well.
It is 14.5!
I'm good, but we had to leave our apt in Brooklyn after having 3 floods in the music room within 1 month. Terrible.
Gaon
Omg, what happened to your house
#floods.
Our music room got flooded 3 times. Fun times.
Yogev Gabay Are the instruments ok?