Why Most Thru-hikers DON'T Use Hammocks on the Appalachian Trail (Tents, Bivys, NO Shelter)
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Concerning hammocks and privacy/perceived protection: just pick a winter-style tarp. They come with flappy dors that you can close on all 4 sides. If you pitch it low, you have the same privacy you have in a tent. With tents you also see the ground in parts (vestibules) so that shouldn't make any difference. I'd probably also have a gear hammock to hang my gear and my backpack underneath my hammock so those are off the ground and away from mud and critters. However there is no way a hammock setup could ever compete with the lightest tent options. It can be fairly lightweight, but it will never be the lightest option.
Obviously, there are Dyneema hammocking tarps (including winter-style tarps) but they'll cost an arm and a leg. I recommend having a look at Hummingbird Hammocks tarps. The Pelican tarp offers doors (like a winter style tarp) while being bonkersly light (about what a lower mid-weight 12' hex-style tarp weighs).
For an ultralight setup for hammocking, it's hard to beat the superiorgear hammock, where the underquilt is sewn into the hammock. They use ultralight fabrics. I can set mine up in just a few minutes, and the comfort level is incredible. Made in Minnesota!
Thank you for mentioning this I love hammock hiking and this might be exactly what I'm lookin for
Good mash-up of advice snippits.
All valid. Practice, practice, practice.
Keep it up!
Cheers.
I love your videos! Perfect timing I'm trying to decide what tent to buy now that I'm moving away from car camping!
I hammock camp. Buy fully understand that a portion of my pack is utilized by top quilt and underquilt. The sleep is definitely better. Thank you for always sharing my
Tons of terrific information! Also, your orthodontist did a great job. I’m so glad it worked out!
Dixie, thank you for your video and fair assessment of hammocks. I used a GoreTex bivi on my Oregon PCT thru hike in the 70’s. It zipped me inside (ultra solo tent) with a bug net window. I didn’t know about tarps. So I was either in the bivi or out in the elements (a.k.a. Rain). Fortunately, I was young and invincible. And I had great timing on the weather. Any rain was mostly warm. With tent or hammock and large tarp, there’s hanging around opportunities. In the bivi bag, I was either lying prone or outside of it.
Dixie, thank you for the outstanding detailed information.
Thank you for this excellent overview of current trends and types of gear available.
Holy crap. Ima have to take a day off to watch the full video. Keep it up. Proud of ya.
Excellent discussion of tentage/hammock/tarp shelter options. My personal preference is a tarp (which was actually designed as a tent extension). But I must admit that I'm pretty much a summer camper, although my tarp has the capability to have its sides either up or down, it would be a little colder than a tent in the winter.
first time ive ever jumped on one of your films without a thousand beating me too it! I love yo do some of the TA with you
Watch her full hikes mate you’ll love it
Mostly a weekend backpacker, here. My wife and I prefer hammock camping. My wife, kid, and dog will use the Lanshan 2 pro we have when we all go together. We even all fit in there on one night when the only option was a clearing in a burn area which was shocking to me for a 2 person tent. Still, the hammock just has so much more liveable volume under the tarp and is way more comfy and dry in the rain.
Plus, you can move your hammock and use your tarp as a work area when you're not sleeping. A hammock and tarp are so much more versatile then a tent alone.
You know I talk about weight and I always hear from other ex military guys saying “ I carried eighty pound rucks for thirty miles !”
The answer “so do you do that for fun?”
“You have it in your closet now?”
“How is your back a knees now?”
@@ferdonandebull my hammock weighs ~2 lbs and my tarp weighs ~ 1 lb. The hammock could be lighter if I weren't so darn fat. My UQ weighs about the same as a Big Agnes Rapide sleeping pad.
DD Jungle Hammocks are great. Plus you can get a sleeve that goes over the whole thing that makes packing and unpacking considerably quicker.
Kind of a weekend hiker lately (because I recently moved into a house so that was busy), but I’ve been using a hammock with my 2 dogs and it’s been pretty easy. I do let them sleep in the hammock with me, so it’s a pretty sturdy set up (and the dogs are beagles so 25 lbs each)
Hi Dixie. Great video! I am a full hammock guy since 2017 hiking mostly the GSMNP and can tell you STAKES matter for that setup and location. Soft ground and high winds on a tarp require a substantial stake to stay in place. Learned that the hard way. Thanks for sharing and stay safe!
One reason I like the simple common plastic trowel. Digging poop holes is the primary purpose of course, but it makes a great stake for sandy conditions or dirt that just doesn't hold a stake firmly enough.
The most simple of bushcraft skills is also useful for making heavy duty stakes, but that varies by conditions. Lots of hikers don't carry even the most basic items for this, but they should.
The way Dixie says "tight" melts my heart!😍
night, hike, right, site❤
I feel like she’s saying “taut.” Which means tight. But is different.
@@karlk9316 I had a pol sci professor from Mississippi. He had a sign on his door: Beer, Bare, Bear- they all sounded the same when he said them!
@@techguy9023 LOL! Accents are so fun! Trying to imitate them, you can feel your brain change! I agree, Dixie's accent is adorable!
I used a gore-tex bivy for my AT thru-hike and it was perfect. I began on August 1, 1981 at Katahdin and hiked south, reaching Springer on January 1, 1982. Due to the season I hiked, bugs really were never a problem and I'm happy I didn't have the weight and bulk of a tent. I've been working as a guide/outdoor educator full-time since 1988 and we use tarps nearly 90% of the time, even in mid-winter in northern Maine. But of course, you need to know multiple ways to set up a tarp to be effective in all sorts of conditions, including sleeping on the ice on frozen lakes in the 100-mile wilderness in February. The point is, it can be done, just takes skill.
Please, make videos?
I feel bivy is way to warm in summer most of the time.
One slight suggestion, if you have to put your pack outside under a tree with a trash bag UNZIP all your pockets. If a critter smells some old food in there, she can get in and explore without chewing through the fabric......experience talking 🙂
Great tip
Good advice.
In addition, hanging your pack three to four feet above the ground or higher can be a good choice so that rodents don't chew through or on it. Sometimes they go for the accumulated salt left by the hiker's perspiration.
They'll still chew it. They don't know to look for an opening.
Wow this was right on time!!
I am currently urban backpacking and looking for a nice tent for October!
Thanks for sharing!!!
Streetcraft, not bushcraft. Different set of survival skills. The bush however is vastly much more safe. Watch your six.
@@paulrevere2379 thank you, will do! 🫡🤝💪🏾
Your videos are so excellent. Thank you
Hey Dixie I really enjoy watching your videos. Have you ever looked at the Haven Tent Hammock? I know it is a little heavy for backpacking but the ability to setup as lay flat hammock or tent seems versatile. I plan on using bike touring so little more weight is more tolerable.
Thank for your help planning my A.T hike 2024
tho im old school hiker,,i always learn somthing even if its just explaining stuff to others good job ...im hooked...
Ok I’ve thought about it and yes, I could live in my 6MD Haven for six months. You’ve seen it, I can adjust it for low or max airflow depending on temps and the dual vestibules mean I’ll never wake up on the wrong side of the bed 🤣🤗❤️
Super thorough and informative!
Nice video...I hammock camp all the time and it is something you have to learn...All but maybe 10 weekends last year I was in my hammock one to four days at a time...About the privacy...I have a 12 by 10 tarp which I can lower down close to my hammock Ridgeline and the sides will drop within 10 inches of the ground in what I call tent mode...I hang my backpack on the head end and caribeaner the ends together behind it and I walk in the foot end and caribeaner it together behind me and it is total privacy...
Great advice Dixie!
great video. i know alot of people who really embrace ultralight, but i see no problems to carry just a normal 1 kilo hubba and have all comforts.
Thank you for sharing your expertise
I bikepack/tour with a bike trailer so weight isn’t as critical, but space still is. I like the NatureHike Mongar 2 tent. Sometimes I’ll take the add-on vestibule with me if I expect a lot of rain on my trip. It gives me a larger sheltered area without having to carry an extra rain tarp for cooking and gear storage. The Mongar2 is on par with the Hubba Hubba at a fraction of the cost. Does well in Texas thunderstorms.
I have a hard time with a hammock because of shoulder issues and no shelter has me being bugged except when there is snow. I like a tent with mosquito netting to keep the bugs out and to offer some privacy when dressing. Thanks Dixie.
For the arid Western mountains, I like a bivy bag and head netting when needed. Interior moisture is mitigated by the fact that you're (hopefully) not exhaling inside. Thick socks and appropriate clothing help keep your bag or quilt from too much compromising moisture.
Great video very helpful info.
I recently bought a huge DCF tarp to make my hammock a more "liveable" option. I use a hammock with a separate bug net that I can leave at home when not needed, and a larger bug net from Sierra Madre Designs for truly buggy sections and seasons of different trails.
My Hummingbird hammock with the bug net and whoopie slings from the same company is my go-to. I pull a Golite feather-lite bag over the hammock for temperatures down to freezing. I just bought a Superior Gear hammock with sewn-in down insulation for temperatures from freezing to negative 20 farenheit.
Stakes: A general rule is that larger shelters require larger stakes because they catch more wind than smaller ones. Aerodynamics are also to be taken into consideration. Tents with fewer poles usually require more stakes, and, lastly, softer ground requires stakes with a larger surface area to keep your tent up than hard-packed and/or rocky mineral soils.
I am a tenter because of the dog. Love my big Agnes Tiger wall and will be trying a dan Durston X-mid soon.
I used a GoreTex bivvy bag for a while on the PCT and saved some weight and packed volume compared to my tent. It's OK in nice weather when you don't really need it, but what you save with a waterproof breathable bivvy compared to a single wall (not breathable) trekking pole tent is so small it's not worth it IMO. Compared to a freestanding or semi freestanding tent the savings with a bivvy is larger and a bivvy can take more high winds than most tents. As an emergency shelter if you plan to stay in shelters on the AT it can make more sense though, but to me a superlight tarp is a better option even if it takes more effort to set up. Particularly when there aren't any trees around.
Good info Dixie
For years as an Infantry paratrooper I slept in a hammock and a bodybag while out in the field. All the newfangled gear of today that weights merely ounces is incredible. It's a miracle my knees aren't blown out from jumps and humping 80+ lbs. of gear the way we did. I will say that some of this new gear is a little pricey but when has comfort taken a back seat
thanks for the ideas!
I think 3 years ago, you and another thru hiker were using the duplex, so I purchased one, absolutely perfect for me. Im 6ft tall, so with the new duplex xl, it makes sense to me, but another 750 bucks, ouch. Thanks Jessica
As always your the Best Love my duplex
I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be a post hog but I keep wanting to comment as your covering a lot of ground.
Ground stakes can ruin your hike real fast. Those round blue ones with the cap, I've had those pull the cap right off as they're glued or pressed on. Now you have no way to attach your guy line and are down to whittling sticks. Plastic stake will break in the cold. I suggest MSR Ground hogs. They won't let you down when the wind starts gusting up to 40 or 50 mph during a typical Alabama storm.
Pro Tip: Don't make the mistake of leaving your tarp staked out after a soaking rain. As you mention most of the materials used will absorb some water and become looser. Your guy lines will do the same. So you'll need to adjust your guy lines when it starts raining to tighten them up some. (I prefer a trucker's hitch knot for guy lines) But AFTER the rain you need to loosen the guy lines if you leave it hung up. Otherwise, your tarp will dry out in the sun and can become as tight as a drum head. The slightest contact, someone trips over one of your guy lines, and your tarp could rip a giant seam out. I speak from experience. It's sickening to watch a 4'x4' square being torn out of your Multicam tarp in seconds.
I have real bad trouble getting comfortable in camp with heat and lack of air circulation. I tent camped for years and was never quite able to get comfortable. I will say there is something special about tarp camping and cowboy camping, doing that made a world of difference for me.
Great video
Love you Dixie!!!!
Hi 👋how are you doing?
Hammock setup gets pretty fast once to do it often, especially if you start using some of Dutch's magical hardware.
Agree on the „no-shelter-people“! They expect others, who carry the weight of their shelter all day, to make room for them! Appaling! Everyone can at least carry a tarp!
Ironically, the lightweight backpacker tents are actually quite a bit lighter than all except for special backpacker tarps, however they are all spendy.
Lightweight + affordable in a shelter is next to an impossible find.
How far does that logic extend though? Something I noticed is that ultralighters often opt for a shelter when the weather turns bad, because they know their setup can't cope.
When you were speaking of setting up hammocks, you said its not too bad "once you get the hang of it". LOL! I see what you did there.
Thanks for having me drink from the fire hose. This was very informative.
Sometimes I put on only 1/2 of the rain fly (folded over). Recently while kayak camping along a river, I opened my eyes in the middle of the night with the Big Dipper overhead, nice. I can't imagine not having the option of taking off the rain fly.
That's always the dream, but I can count on one hand the nights I've been awake long enough past dark to see stars on a backpacking trip. Plus I think the stars thing must be a western thing... Light pollution is pretty severe along the AT. Also, depending on the bugs if it's nice enough to forgo the fly it's nice enough to cowboy it. Just another data point. I haven't had a tent with a separate fly for a long time and don't miss it, (condensation management is the real issue).
I love to cowboy camp on nights when there’s not rain in the forecast - you get to enjoy all the gorgeous views and have a record quick break down in the morning. A mosquito headnet and permethrin on your sleep clothes help ensure you don’t get pestered by mosquitos.
Oooo... I've got to check those gear lists and see if the "grease pot" is (still) there!
Zpacks duplex will be my next tent. Getting older and weight is crucial
For a lightweight versatile hammock thst you can use with your already bought sleeping pad and any tarp, check out the crosshammock
I'm mostly a weekend backpacker and use an OR Helium bivy on my UL trips. Condensation is definitely a concern. Even with the storm flap open and the bug net in use, my quilt is slightly damp by morning. In rain I use a Sea to Summit poncho tarp to provide some cover for cooking and ventilation of the bivy. For longer trips, I'm wondering if a full tarp and bug net bivy might work better to prevent condensation. My general strategy for 1-3 night trips is to use shelters or huts when possible and rely on the bivy when I have no better option for the night. Modern down quilts/bags use water resistant down and shells that help when condensation is unavoidable and it is not a big deal for short trips. For a thru hike, I'd probably use Evan's (e-Wolf/Reverend) method of tarp and bug net bivy, if I didn't splurge on a DCF treking pole tent.
I hike the AT with my Warbonnet Blackbird XLC and love it. I'm a 300 pound man and sleep is so comfortable. Watch some videos and do it a bit first because the hammock has some interesting quirks, cold butt syndrome is a huge one. But CBS works great for in Florida. Keeps me cool in the summer when my friends are sweltering.
For sure and at first I went with a Thermarest Xlite 20x72 inch model which was too long for me to sleep comfortably in my Chameleon hammock. So like Dixie, I love the NeoAir Xlite 20x47 inch version in which fits perfectly in my hammock.
There is no such thing as keeping cool in the Florida summer, not even at night.
@@Swearengen1980 "Cool..er". I can remain comfortable with air temps up in the mid 80's while my tent buddies are sweltering. The more the air is moving, the hotter I can tolerate.
@@charleswaters455 Yeah, screw that LOL. I'm a native Floridian and I still hate every second of the weather above 75ish degrees during the day and 65-70 at night. I go camping in the winter when we may have 30 degree nights.
Bivy all the way for me! Pinion Bivy from Katabatic Gear... I never went back to tent..
Got to go with a two person tent, just in case things get interesting 😎
Oh my goodness! Fancy Mae is getting big! I didn't expect that! I thot she was full grown at the begining! Sending her love and a cuddle!
Thanks Dixie
Certain parks, like some places in the Adirondacks, require you to use the shelter and forbid tenting. Finding a tent spot can be challenging. If I were to go back there again (unlikely because terrible trail conditions) I would hammock it.
I love tarp + synthetic sleeping bag (rebranded chinese one, no bivy), though it might be just because it's what i grew up with) I even did a 1k km hike with itthis summer (my tarp did cost me like 10 usd, but the seam tape did leak at the end quite a lot, not recommended long term)
Hi I absolutely love your videos I’m attending the appliation trail through hike for the first time in 2024 I am an absolute beginner I have just got a Durston tent and was wondering if you use the ground sheet or foot prints at all? Or is that necessary on the trail
A bivy would be okay for desert hikes once you are into summer, because out in Escalante Wilderness during Spring Break, there was ice on the puddles in the mornings and it got really cold once the sun went down. Really cold.
go to the LA River in Los Angeles there are plenty of people that live in those things for more than 6 months
Just baught a 35$ cabelas backpacking biker tent lol big storm came thru and It leaked like a mofo lol, love your channel 😄
Very informative stuff. Thanks. Liked the blooper, things ya done wrong video to. Be well.
I always like to bring a little emo hammock with me in addition to the tent instead of the chair. Really great on a nice night.
I lived outside for 7 years in the north west were it rains a lot
A tent will last 2 or 3 months
I kept everything out of it .
They mold you can put a roof
Over the tent however it will still mold
Love my hammock setup for a few reasons. Number 1 being comfort. I sleep better in my hammocks than i do in my own bed. Two, water. I setup my tarp and then do everything else under the tarp so everything stays dry. And zero issues with condensation. Unless i'm 100% certain it isn't going to be a massive storm i always carry my "winter" tarp. Has doors so i have my privacy but i can also pitch it several other ways depending on conditions or how i feel. Third, i don't have to carry a chair. I live in the southeast so summers are brutal especially with bugs and humidity so i love the overall flexibility of it.
Hey im in Texas and feeling the same about the humidity and comfort. Could you recommend any gear specifically?
@@viceb7 I just don't go camping or backpacking in the summer. 95 degrees and 80+ percent humidity? Screw that. I'd high to leave Florida and go a good ways north before I found a temperature I'm comfortable sleeping in. Personally, few things are more miserable than trying to sleep (and failing) when you're suffocating on humidity and sweating just laying there.
Amazing
My current tent weighs about 7 lbs.. 😂 Not for hiking/backpacking! I’m asking for a Lanshan 2 for my birthday this month. (BHS class of 83!)
I just bought a Lanshan 2! I can't wait for Texas to not be 110 so I can hit the trail. ☺
When my youngest said she wanted to go backpacking, I dug out my ‘70s era “ultralight” tent. At 7 pounds, I’m sure glad it was too dry-rotted to use! We upgraded to a Nemo Hornet 2P and haven’t looked back..!
@@reyatha3526 right there with you!!! Doing the LST this fall, hopefully won’t be in the 100s😖.
Do it. I love mine. Taken mine on a 4 day hike here in Indiana and did amazing. It's also my choice for my AT section hike in Sept. Been using it regularly since last Sept. Did great through sleet in January too.
The Lanshan 2 is great! I recommend getting it with the 4-season-inner. In the summer it's not overly hot and you definitely avoid the water splashing through the netting when it's raining a lot.
I wonder if poncho tarps will ever be the main shelter just bought one played with it a little bit haven't hiked with it yet
Hey Dixie!
@HomemadeWanderlust >>> 👍👍
Great video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Anyone needing more ideas about tarps and hammocks check out Blackie. He's a bushcraft from Alabama and he has some great ideas that compliments everything she's sharing with us. Again Great Video. Thanks
18:26 Hi Dixie.
In your experience, how resistant are 1.0 weight DCF floors to punctures and tears over the course of 100 to 180 nights in contrast to poly-urethane coated nylon? Good to know that DCF floors are more resistant to punctures and tears than sil-nylon.
Big agnes copper spur over here! 'Mine is 3.5, but worth it.
I think if you add a piece of shock cord to the end of the guy line it should take up the slack so you don't wake to a dropped tent.
I'm finding it difficult to like the Nemo Hornet single.... not much room and the rain fly is a little strange... Wish Eureka made very light tents!
I've been on the Pictured Rocks trail one day and it's beautiful. Can't imagine living in ANY tent for 6 Mos!
Hey Dixie, how do you deal with smellables in your tent and the big critters, not worried about them??
You don’t do it (like she’s shown in lots of videos), you carry a bear bag or canister!
"Like drinking from a fire hose." lol!
This is an almost 25 minute program. How much total time goes into a production like this?
I love/loathe my bivy sacks. I have had models from Outdoor Research and Bibler-Black Diamond over three decades. And they account for nearly a third of my bag nights in The US Mountain West. I definitely would not recommend a bivy for multi-day long distance hikes or thru-hiking. Think them as cowboy camping with an emergency cover. In 2022, the weight savings are pretty slim versus many one-person tents.
A shoulder season trip with a "bivy" -- a taffeta nylon rectangle sewed on three sides to a ripstop nylon rectangle -- ended abruptly when we had to use a safety valve escape route from an approaching storm. Several inches of snow accumulation didn't faze that setup, even though the half inch ensolite pad was pretty difficult to roll up in the morning!
When and we’re is your next throu hike
Dixie, I love the cammo pattern of the hammock tarp in the video. Where did you get it and what exact pattern is that? Thanks.
It looks like a Hammock Gear DCf tarp in camouflage. My setup and I love it!
@@brianc1651 Thanks a lot! I will investigate.
Excellent topic! Would you mind doing a video on dispersed camping spots vs designated backcountry sites? I'll be starting to section hike the AT soon and I'm worried about finding a good camping site since my mileage will be a little to low to go from shelter to shelter.
I much prefer to sleep on the ground, but there are now very affordable and lightweight hammocks which are great for a night where suitable ground spots are hard to find.
This is why I carry one. I made my own suspension/ridgeline from 550/Paracord both to customize it and to cut weight more. The cordage is a good thing to have with or without a hammock.
I think a trekking pole tent is probably the best option for backpacking. Obviously the weight is a plus but with a traditional tent if you break a tent pole you’re kind of screwed. Even if you break a trekking pole you can always use a stick. If you can’t get a stake in the ground you can always resort to the tried and true little rock big rock method.
On the unlimited budget gear list, the link to the neck knife takes you to a razor on Amazon.
Damn that campsite is crowded af, right?
Did you ever find a spoon in Pennsylvania? NPR did a story about this guy, barefoot carver. I heard he lives in Florida now.
Maybe tarp+mosquito net will work.
It is kind of shocking that someone would commit the AT but not prepare enough to master whatever shelter they want to use.
Yes, I can. Can do it forever.
The weight/quality/comfort of the tent could be higher if you give up some of the daily mileages, or if you travel with another people and share a bigger tent, or both. Sleeping in an ultralight tent, using ultralight sleeping mat not always worth it. People are not the same. Some is interested in aims and goals, some is interested in being on the “road”, gathering happy memories.
A light weight tent of 3 pounds maximum sounds great, but apart from being expensive, shouldn't you add the weight of the walking sticks to it which adds an extra pound? If so you might as well buy a 4 pound tent for half the price.
Not if you're already using trekking poles for the hike and not just a tent pole.
I wonder if anyone has walked the pct with a hot tent
I was just trying to help & be helpful & kind & give you some insight for what you had asked & it may very well advance your channel plus his & the betterment of many things with all due respect humbly so ma'am / Mrs / Ms Dixie ma'am .
Blessings,
Sincerely,
~Paul
I used one on my at hike, and Pct. Well i used nothing in desert.
I don't know, but those group campaigns or whatever people call them is the worst thing you can do out there in the wilderness.