Never clicked a video so fast in my life! This is where the show really grew up and paved the way for some very masterful, complex and adult seasons and episodes to come.
@@B-Dad I agree to an extent. Every one of my personal top 10 episodes are from the second half of season 4 onwards, with season 5 being the all time best! But gotta give props to Innocence for knocking down the first domino of TRAUMA and veering the show away from just a parade of monsters of the week.
Notice how Drusilla's outfits have changed in nature. while she was weak, she wore only white, and primarily nightgowns. But now that she is restored, she wears red, and often evening attire (dresses and such).
The Slayer receives prophetic dreams. Across a quarter century no series has taken such a brutal right turn and then rocketed into the stratosphere. Watching Angelus deliberately rip Buffy's heart out and then casually saunter off, so satisfied with himself... Boreanz and Whedon created one of the most horrifyingly sadistic and malicious monsters in cinema.
It changed at least 8 girls out look on life that January night in 98. The 5 girls that started watching with me that night were not the same ones when it was over
It's a "holy shit" episode on so many levels. Holy shit, this is so good. Holy shit, where's it going to go? Holy shit, the tone just changed drastically. Holy shit, David Boreanaz can act. And he's, like, _really good_ at it when the material calls for him to do more than be dreamy or brood. It's also a bit of a "holy shit" moment for teen drama and television itself in ways that might be missed now. Holy shit, it's going there and holy shit, building up a dramatic twist over more than a season of television can pay off beautifully. This episode is full of moments that wouldn't hit nearly as hard if the show hadn't built them up carefully over time, and you just can't do that with the then-traditional mostly episodic format for this kind of show.
So, after a case of mistaken identity in an earlier comment: Juliet Landau’s father is the actor Martin Landau, who was in Hitchcock’s “North By Northwest”, and starred in the original “Mission Impossible” television series. He also earned an Academy award nomination for his performance in Woody Allen’s “Crimes and Misdemeanors”. Her mom, Barbara Bain, was also an actress, who won three Emmy Awards. So she comes from a pretty accomplished acting family.
It was Martin Landau, but yeah, very busy actor. He starred in a couple of banger episodes of the Outer Limits and co-starred with Barbara in Space 1999 and a ton of other stuff.
Dream sequences always played a big part in The Buffyverse. We could see Buffy's prophetic dreams re: harm coming to Angel. This episode Surprise, is where this show really starts to seriously pick up regarding the arc of the Season. We see Jenny being visited by her strange uncle looking for revenge. The excitement from Drusilla and Spike when The Judge comes back to life is great. Buffy on her birthday gets her Surprise party, Oz steals the show, and is just so laid back when Willow explains to him about everything. Without doubt the coolest character in The Buffyverse. The title Surprise is still coming to Buffy, we see her losing her virginity to Angel here, but see Angel in such pain in the rain at the end after what has happened. There is of course a sinister reason for this. This is really a two-parter with E14 which is just exceptional, where all is revealed. From now on the show really does improve so much and goes like a roller coaster, you can just see it getting slicker and more polished. Now you know we always kept saying that form Mid S2 onwards this show really takes off. This episode Innocence along with preceding episode Surprise are where the show changed. I think this is the best episode by far up until this point, but believe it or not there are two more episodes in this Season that surpass this! There are so many reveals and jaw dropping scenes coming up, but this episode Innocence definitely a Top 20 from the whole series of 144 episodes. Here we now know that Angel has changed into Angelus, where the Gypsy curse has come to pass. Buffy realising that Miss Calendar was behind it was a great scene where she grabs her by the throat in the classroom. There are so many brilliant scenes it this it is hard to pinpoint any. The pain Buffy feels when Angel is talking about her losing her virginity and sexual performance is just so hard to watch. 'Innocence' of course also refers to Willow who is devastated to see Xander kiss Cordelia, and you can also see the 'Innocence' of her budding relationship with Oz. The rocket launcher scene in the mall is epic. Strap in for the ride there is even better to come!
The actor who plays the Judge is the same actor who played Luke in the first season. But the makeup is enough different that most people don't catch that.
@@kellygilbert736 And he's Shao Khan in Mortal Kombat Annihilation, one of the all time great bad movies! Which also features Musetta Vander (who played the She-Mantis in Buffy) giving arguably the greatest line-reading of all time: "Too bad you..... *_WILL DIE!"_*
Very true. These 2 episodes also saved The WB network. This started a new night, Tuesday, for programming, it made Dawson Creek a hit, and the extra 2 hours of target ratings brought in more money for development of the programs that defined young adult programming for the next 15 years
Angel's "things are about to get very interesting" pretty much sums up the rest of the season. Also, these two episodes are the show's turning point, in my opinion. A big step ahead, especially story and character wise.
Mind blown! 🤯💥 Willow & Oz! 🥰 Jenny?! Dru, iconic 🙌🏼 The plot is plotting! Poor Buffy. Worst birthday ever 💔 Bad boy Angel tho 🫠 May be my fav eps so far. Killing the reactions 🖤
Xander can't move on from hating Angel. His hatred is not just about being jealous. He hates all Vampires. His best friend Jesse was killed by vampires. He can accept working with Angel, but he will never ever accept him.
Good point but also Xander needs clarity about life and choices.He is not nuanced or understands anything that does not fit into his instruction manual for life.
"We got to see some blossoming romance, it makes me happy." Joss Whedon: " Hold my beer..." Miss Calendar is definitely a technopagan, we saw her in action helping cast Moloch out of the net. But she's also a member of the Romani tribe that cursed Angel with a soul, which we found out about in the episode where he ends up killing Darla, his sire... One moment where everything he'd done no longer plagues his thoughts, one moment of true happiness... That moment was waking up next to the love of his life, after they'd made love for the first time. All he could think of was how happy he was, a moment where he forgot all that guilt... The Master did say Angel was the most vicious creature he'd ever met.
Oh, you're at this point now...there is so much coming that's going to break your hearts. This is where the show hits it's stride, you two are in for a ride now
Jenny was a technopagan in practice as she as adept at techno practices but she was also of Romani heritage . Her family were the Gypsies that cursed angel for the slaughter of one of their beloved daughters hundred plus years prior.
The weapon at the end is called a LAW. It is a second generation RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade Launcher). The bazooka is a 1st generation rpg. (LAW stands for Light Anti-Tank Weapon)
Ohhh you guys are at the point where they really, really hit their stride. And the hits will keep coming, also the beginning of Buffy's Birthday Curse.
Juliet Landau takes after her dad Martin Landau as he was a brilliant actor as well, as in oscar winning actor. The guy that played the Judge. You might remember him from season 1 episodes 1 & 2. He was the vampire Luke.
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So glad you could watch these two together! I can't even describe the shock I felt the first time I watched this... I don't remember how long I had to wait in between the episodes, but it was definitely too long!
A turning point for the show... for sure. David Boreanaz really surprises as an evil version of his character. And yes, SMG and Boreanaz chemistry is extremely strong, they sell every scene together.
I litteraly waited until you uploaded the finale to start watching the Angel Arch. Can't wait to binge!!! This show was my entire childhood! Wild to go on this ride with fresh perspectives❤❤❤
Note that the Judge was able to burn the scholar vampire and could sense the humanity in Spike and Dru. This is because all vampires retain a semblance or echo of their humanity. It’s important to note that the Judge is unable to find any within Angelus. Angelus is unique amoung vampires. He’s their equivalent of what a genuine psychopath would be to humans. Even the _Master_ called him the most vicious creature he’d ever met.
30:40... Without words, your BFF ALWAYS Knows I remember being at a house party with my best friend and her boyfriend.... She came down the stairs the next morning, there was a lot of stuff going on that night, but as soon as I saw her come down the stairs, I told her we needed to talk in the kitchen NOW... I knew. Just like Joyce knew there was something different about Buffy but she couldn't place it... I know what was different about my BFF in an instant. Just like Willow knew to tell Giles to shut up. Sometimes words aren't necessary when you know the person well enough
Surprise was the last airing on Monday night and then Buffy moved to Tuesday with Innocence. It was a big deal and I attended my first Buffy watching party. I was the only boy invited and watched with 5 pretty girls( one reason BTVS will be #1 always). The talk before was what is wrong with Angel. The girls all thought he had been poisoned somehow by Dru and they were concerned About 10 minutes later there was stunned disbelief and confusion . No one understood until…. Slowly the reveal that Angel was gone and Angelius had taken hold. When Angel acts like a bastard to Buffy at the apartment, the sniffles started. 5 girls had no idea how to act. When Buffy takes out the bazooka and blows the Judge away… the cheers were so loud. Then when Buffy curls up with her Mother.. the sobbing returned. The phone rang when the credits started and another group that has been watching called all confused . They were supposed to watch the premiere of Dawsons Creek but that didn’t matter. 1 hour before there was great concern and in 1 hour there were girls saying “ how can we get him back “ and I hope Buffy stakes him good and hard”. Most incredible turn of a character ever . Then the hatred for Jenny started for her betrayal. The Slayer has prophetic dreams. The first time we see Buffy we observe her sleeping and see her dream.It is actually most if the First Season. Giles asks her at The Bronze in that first episode if the dreams have started. Buffy’s dreams help to prepare and. protect her from coming evil. All dreams of Buffy should be studied and will help in understanding the situation about to happen. Great reaction. You have some episodes ahead that will require more discussion but the entertainment factor is increasing. Thank you for sharing the Buffy journey and you are great.
BTVS is so good at drawing evil supernatural parallels with real teen problems. Buffy has sex with Angel for the first time ("losing innocence"), and Angel literally turns evil right afterwards, becomes a jerk to her like a lot of teen/college boys do irl when they get what they want even if before the sex they were super sweet. That's, of course, not exactly what's happening with Angel here, but from Buffy's perspective having sex with him for the first time ruined everything. Which is a sentiment a lot of teen girls can relate to.
Remember the episode where they were kissing near the tombstone that panned away and said "In loving memory" that was such a clever foreshadowing moment!
If Drusilla was a slayer it would have been mentioned in the Watchers diaries and Angel would have said so in himself in the episode “lie to me” when he confesses to Buffy how he turned her.
A couple of episodes before you were talking about how cool it was to think that one character is the big bad, and then it turns out to be another... This two parter took that to a whole new level XD
David Boreanaz is pretty fun as a villain. To see him turn it to 11 and ham it up - The Crow 4: Wicked Prayer It has Edward Furlong and Tara Reid, so you know it's terrible in a fun way 😅
Been waiting all week for these two eps, so freaking good!! Ugh, the drama, the revelations, the heartache and of course, the introduction of Angelus. Enjoy the ride!
LOL-Buffy's afraid her mother will be able to tell she's not a virgin anymore. The breaking of the plate in her dream symbolized she was about to lose her virginity.
I fell behind at the worst time possible! Been a crazy month. Still, can't help but post some thoughts. 1st: this was so shocking and wild when it aired. Everyone was talking about it and what could happen. David did an amazing job transitioning from Angel to Angelus. Juliet Landeau who plays Druscilla is incredible. I think Dru and Angelus are two of the legit scariest big bads in the show. Their personalities are so menacing. I feel like people are very hypocritical with how they treat Willow and Xander's crushes. If Xander says anything about Buffy dating or dislikes a guy she likes he is immediately shamed. People are very harsh on his feelings toward Angel, though his feelings for Angel are shown to be half jealousy and half a hatred of vampires. He isn't into the nuance of souls or anything, and this shows he might have a point. Buffy is also never expected to watch her words or feelings toward other guys around him. Responsibility is entirely on him to deal with it. With Willow it is entirely different though. She gets upset if he shows interest in other girls and it is seen as justifiable and sympathetic. She tore him apart for Cordelia and feeling attracted to her, while treating him as bad for not feeling attracted to her, but that's ok. Xander has absolutely acted with insensitivity at particular times with Willow, but Willow doesn't own him anymore than he does Buffy and the double standard has always bugged me. Jenny was such a big twist too and I felt so bad for Giles. Giles talk with Buffy at the end of the episode is still one of my favorite tv moments. You didn’t see a lot of balanced, empowering conversations around young women and sex, so you fully expected him to shame her, especially with the aftermath. Instead he simply acknowledged the risks she took only in passing and jumped straight to love and support. He trusted that she hadn't taken the choice lightly, and it was true that there was no way to foresee the outcome. Most importantly though he saw that she needed a father, not an authoritarian. He put her first as a person, rather than a slayer. Truly some of the best episodes of tv i have seen.
In all seriousness, if you were to try asking Juliet Landau to help plan your wedding as Dru there's a much larger than zero chance she might be up for it. She is every level of excellent like that.
i love the claddagh ring, ive known its symbolism before i saw it on buffy and i loved it even more being of part irish decent. ive asked for it for my engagement ring
I couldn't wait for you guys to get to these two eps. So glad you are doing two at a time and it worked out perfectly. I knew you guys were gonna have a lot of feels. Angelus is awesome...in a "you are horrible" way.
I don't think Jenny knew that the curse could be ended this way. She seemed surprised when Mr. Vargas the Subway Ghost* told her about that. That is a deeply stupid curse. Angeles is a maniacal killer. Let's punish him until he no longer feels guilt. Then he gets to be a maniacal killer again. Just make him incapable of happiness. *RIP Vincent Schiavelli also from Fast Times at Ridgemont High and Ghost, the characters above. Angel killed that smoking woman aka Sophia Crawford, SMG's stunt double. The Judge was Brian Thompson who previously played Luke in Welcome to the Hellmouth/The Harvest. Joss freaked out because someone leaked that Buffy had sex to the internet. They were extra careful with the script, so he thought one of the crew did it. It turned out that Brian Thompson was running lines with his sister, who read the scripts and leaked it. Brian never worked on another Whedon project.
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Love season 2. The misdirects are so good. First we think the big bad of the season will be the anointed one. Then we think it will be spike and dru, but alas, it's Angelus after all
Innocence _had_ to be a banger. If any aspect of it failed, it would've been a disaster. Especially Angelus. We've been told how awful Angel was before he got his soul back, but it's easy to tell the audience that and hard to show them in a way that actually lives up to the hype. Watching that scene where he hits all of Buffy's insecurities one by one, and "was it good for you too?" you fucking buy it. Yes, he was that bad. Yes, the Scoobies are in terrible danger.
The reason Buffy stepped back on the stair when her mom came forward, is because Buffy smelled like sex, and drugs. She didn't want her mom to be tipped off by sniff radius.
later after the series members of the cast minus smg just made a audio play in a world without buffy as the slayer. i hear its pretty good and damn its awesome to have cordelia reprise her role!
2x13: When Buffy moves into the total suck that adulthood can be. This is the beginning when harsh reality intrudes on fantasy. Though, of course, there are demons, vamps, apocalypse, etc. This is where Buffy, underneath, is facing becoming an adult and finding out that sometimes those closest can cut deepest and life can really be shit. Like, the guy getting you put out to, and then turning into a gygundo a-hole because you gave it up... not sure, maybe that's a straight guy thing. But David plays Angelus masterfully. And I've never loved Giles more or I think will, unless something has escaped my old feeble brain, than the car scene near the ending of 2x14. "All you will get from me is my support... and my respect." *and I'm done*
I was always a spike and dru girlie. Original pan awakening ha. My david era was end of angel series and then bones ❤but been waiting for these episodes for the beginning of angelus stuff, btw the judge is same actor who was big vamp ep1 and a few of buffy and is in charmed multiple times he's great
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This is when Buffy really starts firing on all cylinders. Beautiful acting by SMG too
Never clicked a video so fast in my life! This is where the show really grew up and paved the way for some very masterful, complex and adult seasons and episodes to come.
@@B-Dad I agree to an extent. Every one of my personal top 10 episodes are from the second half of season 4 onwards, with season 5 being the all time best!
But gotta give props to Innocence for knocking down the first domino of TRAUMA and veering the show away from just a parade of monsters of the week.
Notice how Drusilla's outfits have changed in nature. while she was weak, she wore only white, and primarily nightgowns. But now that she is restored, she wears red, and often evening attire (dresses and such).
Juliet Landau was absolutely fabulous as Drusilla. She really gets to shine in these episodes.
I literally think about her all the time, she massacred this role so well. Unbelievably good.
Very underrated actress
She's definitely the reason Drusilla was always my favourite character :)
"That was then; this is now." - one of my favorite lines.
What's that do?
I love Drusilla reacting to the blown up Judge. Can’t give it a name but it is so Drusilla.
Buffy as a whole takes on a new dark undertone after these episodes. The character development is *chefs kiss*. God this show was/is amazing.
The Slayer receives prophetic dreams.
Across a quarter century no series has taken such a brutal right turn and then rocketed into the stratosphere.
Watching Angelus deliberately rip Buffy's heart out and then casually saunter off, so satisfied with himself...
Boreanz and Whedon created one of the most horrifyingly sadistic and malicious monsters in cinema.
Probably because Whedon was writing from something he has a special aptitude in: being especially sadistic and malicious.
"Innocence" is the episode that changed everything for the show, it's brutal but so amazing.
It changed at least 8 girls out look on life that January night in 98. The 5 girls that started watching with me that night were not the same ones when it was over
i love how willow instantly knew and told giles to shut up. it was perfect
It's a "holy shit" episode on so many levels.
Holy shit, this is so good.
Holy shit, where's it going to go?
Holy shit, the tone just changed drastically.
Holy shit, David Boreanaz can act. And he's, like, _really good_ at it when the material calls for him to do more than be dreamy or brood.
It's also a bit of a "holy shit" moment for teen drama and television itself in ways that might be missed now. Holy shit, it's going there and holy shit, building up a dramatic twist over more than a season of television can pay off beautifully. This episode is full of moments that wouldn't hit nearly as hard if the show hadn't built them up carefully over time, and you just can't do that with the then-traditional mostly episodic format for this kind of show.
So, after a case of mistaken identity in an earlier comment: Juliet Landau’s father is the actor Martin Landau, who was in Hitchcock’s “North By Northwest”, and starred in the original “Mission Impossible” television series. He also earned an Academy award nomination for his performance in Woody Allen’s “Crimes and Misdemeanors”. Her mom, Barbara Bain, was also an actress, who won three Emmy Awards. So she comes from a pretty accomplished acting family.
He was also Bela Lugosi in Ed Wood!
It was Martin Landau, but yeah, very busy actor. He starred in a couple of banger episodes of the Outer Limits and co-starred with Barbara in Space 1999 and a ton of other stuff.
@@dayceem Corrected to Martin. That’s literally the second time I’ve done that. Thank you.
The Claddagh ring that Angel gave to Buffy is a great symbol and I got one too. ❤️
SMG is honestly the GOAT, her acting skills are just amazing
david too, later on in season 3 (no spoilers by now) davids acts like angel acting like angelus
Dream sequences always played a big part in The Buffyverse. We could see Buffy's prophetic dreams re: harm coming to Angel. This episode Surprise, is where this show really starts to seriously pick up regarding the arc of the Season. We see Jenny being visited by her strange uncle looking for revenge. The excitement from Drusilla and Spike when The Judge comes back to life is great. Buffy on her birthday gets her Surprise party, Oz steals the show, and is just so laid back when Willow explains to him about everything. Without doubt the coolest character in The Buffyverse. The title Surprise is still coming to Buffy, we see her losing her virginity to Angel here, but see Angel in such pain in the rain at the end after what has happened. There is of course a sinister reason for this. This is really a two-parter with E14 which is just exceptional, where all is revealed. From now on the show really does improve so much and goes like a roller coaster, you can just see it getting slicker and more polished.
Now you know we always kept saying that form Mid S2 onwards this show really takes off. This episode Innocence along with preceding episode Surprise are where the show changed. I think this is the best episode by far up until this point, but believe it or not there are two more episodes in this Season that surpass this! There are so many reveals and jaw dropping scenes coming up, but this episode Innocence definitely a Top 20 from the whole series of 144 episodes. Here we now know that Angel has changed into Angelus, where the Gypsy curse has come to pass. Buffy realising that Miss Calendar was behind it was a great scene where she grabs her by the throat in the classroom. There are so many brilliant scenes it this it is hard to pinpoint any. The pain Buffy feels when Angel is talking about her losing her virginity and sexual performance is just so hard to watch. 'Innocence' of course also refers to Willow who is devastated to see Xander kiss Cordelia, and you can also see the 'Innocence' of her budding relationship with Oz. The rocket launcher scene in the mall is epic. Strap in for the ride there is even better to come!
The actor who plays the Judge is the same actor who played Luke in the first season. But the makeup is enough different that most people don't catch that.
As soon as he spoke I realized
Hes also one of the punks that arnie beats up in the terminator.
@@kellygilbert736 And he's Shao Khan in Mortal Kombat Annihilation, one of the all time great bad movies! Which also features Musetta Vander (who played the She-Mantis in Buffy) giving arguably the greatest line-reading of all time:
"Too bad you..... *_WILL DIE!"_*
@@kellygilbert736He's actually the first person to ever be killed by a Terminator.
"Do it again! Do it again!" her delivery is amazing.
Shame they edited it off 😢
This is my favourite season and this season created the blueprint for revolutionary Television.
The "O" has nothing to do with it.. it's the contentment after..."true moment of happiness"
In my opinion, these two episodes propelled this season and on into greatness. 🙌🏽
This is where the show hits it's stride
@@SirRobinBPexactly!!!! 👏🏽 let the emotional rollercoaster begin!!! 🎢 😭
Very true. These 2 episodes also saved The WB network. This started a new night, Tuesday, for programming, it made Dawson Creek a hit, and the extra 2 hours of target ratings brought in more money for development of the programs that defined young adult programming for the next 15 years
These 2 episodes are a Master Class in both writing and acting. Just perfectly delivered by everyone involved.
Angel's "things are about to get very interesting" pretty much sums up the rest of the season. Also, these two episodes are the show's turning point, in my opinion. A big step ahead, especially story and character wise.
If I was Angel, I WOULD always answer the door like that.
Mind blown! 🤯💥 Willow & Oz! 🥰 Jenny?! Dru, iconic 🙌🏼 The plot is plotting! Poor Buffy. Worst birthday ever 💔 Bad boy Angel tho 🫠 May be my fav eps so far. Killing the reactions 🖤
Sarah's acting is outstanding
Xander can't move on from hating Angel. His hatred is not just about being jealous. He hates all Vampires. His best friend Jesse was killed by vampires. He can accept working with Angel, but he will never ever accept him.
Good point but also Xander needs clarity about life and choices.He is not nuanced or understands anything that does not fit into his instruction manual for life.
"We got to see some blossoming romance, it makes me happy."
Joss Whedon: " Hold my beer..."
Miss Calendar is definitely a technopagan, we saw her in action helping cast Moloch out of the net.
But she's also a member of the Romani tribe that cursed Angel with a soul, which we found out about in the episode where he ends up killing Darla, his sire...
One moment where everything he'd done no longer plagues his thoughts, one moment of true happiness... That moment was waking up next to the love of his life, after they'd made love for the first time. All he could think of was how happy he was, a moment where he forgot all that guilt...
The Master did say Angel was the most vicious creature he'd ever met.
Oh, you're at this point now...there is so much coming that's going to break your hearts.
This is where the show hits it's stride, you two are in for a ride now
Jenny was a technopagan in practice as she as adept at techno practices but she was also of Romani heritage . Her family were the Gypsies that cursed angel for the slaughter of one of their beloved daughters hundred plus years prior.
The weapon at the end is called a LAW. It is a second generation RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade Launcher). The bazooka is a 1st generation rpg. (LAW stands for Light Anti-Tank Weapon)
I'd like to invoke Rule of Cool here. It's bazooka.
Whatever it’s called, it’s such a cool badass scene
Ohhh you guys are at the point where they really, really hit their stride. And the hits will keep coming, also the beginning of Buffy's Birthday Curse.
Juliet Landau takes after her dad Martin Landau as he was a brilliant actor as well, as in oscar winning actor. The guy that played the Judge. You might remember him from season 1 episodes 1 & 2. He was the vampire Luke.
Brian Thompson.
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The comment about perfume ad was funny, because Sarah Michelle Gellar was actually a face of Maybelline.
So glad you could watch these two together! I can't even describe the shock I felt the first time I watched this... I don't remember how long I had to wait in between the episodes, but it was definitely too long!
The subtle changes in Angel's makeup now he is Angelus are interesting like his pale nude lip.
SERGIO!!!! i screamed when you said "get up"😭😭i literally can't
I love all of Buffy, but nothing tops this season in terms of pure drama. Buckle up, guys!
banger episodes, banger season, banger entire show quite honestly
yes! i think we have all been waiting for this. now the season really begins.
Been waiting for this since y’all started Buffy
A turning point for the show... for sure.
David Boreanaz really surprises as an evil version of his character.
And yes, SMG and Boreanaz chemistry is extremely strong, they sell every scene together.
It’s so heartbreaking to see him going back to Angelus but such a good twist to the show.
I litteraly waited until you uploaded the finale to start watching the Angel Arch. Can't wait to binge!!! This show was my entire childhood! Wild to go on this ride with fresh perspectives❤❤❤
Note that the Judge was able to burn the scholar vampire and could sense the humanity in Spike and Dru. This is because all vampires retain a semblance or echo of their humanity.
It’s important to note that the Judge is unable to find any within Angelus. Angelus is unique amoung vampires. He’s their equivalent of what a genuine psychopath would be to humans. Even the _Master_ called him the most vicious creature he’d ever met.
Ahhhh!! I’ve been waiting for this!
30:40... Without words, your BFF ALWAYS Knows
I remember being at a house party with my best friend and her boyfriend.... She came down the stairs the next morning, there was a lot of stuff going on that night, but as soon as I saw her come down the stairs, I told her we needed to talk in the kitchen NOW... I knew.
Just like Joyce knew there was something different about Buffy but she couldn't place it... I know what was different about my BFF in an instant.
Just like Willow knew to tell Giles to shut up.
Sometimes words aren't necessary when you know the person well enough
Surprise was the last airing on Monday night and then Buffy moved to Tuesday with Innocence. It was a big deal and I attended my first Buffy watching party. I was the only boy invited and watched with 5 pretty girls( one reason BTVS will be #1 always). The talk before was what is wrong with Angel. The girls all thought he had been poisoned somehow by Dru and they were concerned About 10 minutes later there was stunned disbelief and confusion . No one understood until…. Slowly the reveal that Angel was gone and Angelius had taken hold. When Angel acts like a bastard to Buffy at the apartment, the sniffles started. 5 girls had no idea how to act. When Buffy takes out the bazooka and blows the Judge away… the cheers were so loud. Then when Buffy curls up with her Mother.. the sobbing returned. The phone rang when the credits started and another group that has been watching called all confused . They were supposed to watch the premiere of Dawsons Creek but that didn’t matter. 1 hour before there was great concern and in 1 hour there were girls saying “ how can we get him back “ and I hope Buffy stakes him good and hard”. Most incredible turn of a character ever . Then the hatred for Jenny started for her betrayal.
The Slayer has prophetic dreams. The first time we see Buffy we observe her sleeping and see her dream.It is actually most if the First Season. Giles asks her at The Bronze in that first episode if the dreams have started. Buffy’s dreams help to prepare and. protect her from coming evil. All dreams of Buffy should be studied and will help in understanding the situation about to happen.
Great reaction. You have some episodes ahead that will require more discussion but the entertainment factor is increasing. Thank you for sharing the Buffy journey and you are great.
SHOOKETH !!!
You're in it now boys. Man up here we go.....
BTVS is so good at drawing evil supernatural parallels with real teen problems. Buffy has sex with Angel for the first time ("losing innocence"), and Angel literally turns evil right afterwards, becomes a jerk to her like a lot of teen/college boys do irl when they get what they want even if before the sex they were super sweet. That's, of course, not exactly what's happening with Angel here, but from Buffy's perspective having sex with him for the first time ruined everything. Which is a sentiment a lot of teen girls can relate to.
The judge is the same guy from the pilot in season one that Buffy killed at the bronze…
Remember the episode where they were kissing near the tombstone that panned away and said "In loving memory" that was such a clever foreshadowing moment!
If Drusilla was a slayer it would have been mentioned in the Watchers diaries and Angel would have said so in himself in the episode “lie to me” when he confesses to Buffy how he turned her.
the judge was played by the same guy who played the big vampire in the pilot episodes
Loved these episodes coming up. The show became so exciting with Angel turning into Angelus. 😈
I would LOVE to attend a wedding planned by Dru!
A couple of episodes before you were talking about how cool it was to think that one character is the big bad, and then it turns out to be another... This two parter took that to a whole new level XD
birthday episodes remind me, me n buffy was born on the same day (twinzies) love oz n willow here,
i was also given the same ring,
cordie n dru here💜
David Boreanaz is pretty fun as a villain. To see him turn it to 11 and ham it up - The Crow 4: Wicked Prayer
It has Edward Furlong and Tara Reid, so you know it's terrible in a fun way 😅
Oz is unbelievably cool.
Seriously, he is my third favorite character in the whole series. Buffy and Giles take the first two spots, of course.
I love that Oz has a van… so they can really call themselves the Scooby Gang. 😂😂😂
Been waiting all week for these two eps, so freaking good!! Ugh, the drama, the revelations, the heartache and of course, the introduction of Angelus. Enjoy the ride!
2:10🫡 you got the connection 😉
She said "the hippo stole your pants?"
LOL-Buffy's afraid her mother will be able to tell she's not a virgin anymore. The breaking of the plate in her dream symbolized she was about to lose her virginity.
yea, i think it flew over their heads that buffy had sex for the first time with angel.
No. It didn’t. What a bizarre thing to try to extrapolate from that.
Sounds like you need to get laid.
You’re sick.
I fell behind at the worst time possible! Been a crazy month. Still, can't help but post some thoughts.
1st: this was so shocking and wild when it aired. Everyone was talking about it and what could happen. David did an amazing job transitioning from Angel to Angelus.
Juliet Landeau who plays Druscilla is incredible. I think Dru and Angelus are two of the legit scariest big bads in the show. Their personalities are so menacing.
I feel like people are very hypocritical with how they treat Willow and Xander's crushes. If Xander says anything about Buffy dating or dislikes a guy she likes he is immediately shamed. People are very harsh on his feelings toward Angel, though his feelings for Angel are shown to be half jealousy and half a hatred of vampires. He isn't into the nuance of souls or anything, and this shows he might have a point. Buffy is also never expected to watch her words or feelings toward other guys around him. Responsibility is entirely on him to deal with it. With Willow it is entirely different though. She gets upset if he shows interest in other girls and it is seen as justifiable and sympathetic. She tore him apart for Cordelia and feeling attracted to her, while treating him as bad for not feeling attracted to her, but that's ok. Xander has absolutely acted with insensitivity at particular times with Willow, but Willow doesn't own him anymore than he does Buffy and the double standard has always bugged me.
Jenny was such a big twist too and I felt so bad for Giles.
Giles talk with Buffy at the end of the episode is still one of my favorite tv moments. You didn’t see a lot of balanced, empowering conversations around young women and sex, so you fully expected him to shame her, especially with the aftermath. Instead he simply acknowledged the risks she took only in passing and jumped straight to love and support. He trusted that she hadn't taken the choice lightly, and it was true that there was no way to foresee the outcome. Most importantly though he saw that she needed a father, not an authoritarian. He put her first as a person, rather than a slayer.
Truly some of the best episodes of tv i have seen.
Welcome to the first time the show really shows how it can be when it hits, and how it can turn up the stakes instantly.
As soon as I realized this was Buffy's birthday I thought "Oh No!"..Now you get to meet Angelus!
Finally...gird your loins
In all seriousness, if you were to try asking Juliet Landau to help plan your wedding as Dru there's a much larger than zero chance she might be up for it. She is every level of excellent like that.
Patiently waiting for the next episode of charmed 🫣🥰
You guys had me dying to watch Buffy again 🖤 I'm now starting season 4, and I forgot just how much I love this show 😊
i love the claddagh ring, ive known its symbolism before i saw it on buffy and i loved it even more being of part irish decent. ive asked for it for my engagement ring
I remember feeling so much angst and sadness in my heart over angels switch. Poor Buffy 💔
I couldn't wait for you guys to get to these two eps. So glad you are doing two at a time and it worked out perfectly. I knew you guys were gonna have a lot of feels. Angelus is awesome...in a "you are horrible" way.
Protect my good boy Oz at all costs 🥺
Oh yeah these episodes are ROUGH but they are an amazing start to the rest of the season
I don't think Jenny knew that the curse could be ended this way. She seemed surprised when Mr. Vargas the Subway Ghost* told her about that. That is a deeply stupid curse. Angeles is a maniacal killer. Let's punish him until he no longer feels guilt. Then he gets to be a maniacal killer again. Just make him incapable of happiness.
*RIP Vincent Schiavelli also from Fast Times at Ridgemont High and Ghost, the characters above.
Angel killed that smoking woman aka Sophia Crawford, SMG's stunt double.
The Judge was Brian Thompson who previously played Luke in Welcome to the Hellmouth/The Harvest.
Joss freaked out because someone leaked that Buffy had sex to the internet. They were extra careful with the script, so he thought one of the crew did it. It turned out that Brian Thompson was running lines with his sister, who read the scripts and leaked it. Brian never worked on another Whedon project.
Me, to that one comment very early on: 👀 oh honey, you got a big storm comin’…
Can’t wait for you to get to season 4 of Buffy.I know it’s not some
Fans fav but I didn’t mind it.
I've seen this series like 11 times, and have watched a couple of other reactors. You guys are my favorites and I can't wait to see your reaction to so many things in this amazing show.
I always cry
Love season 2. The misdirects are so good. First we think the big bad of the season will be the anointed one. Then we think it will be spike and dru, but alas, it's Angelus after all
Buckle up! The rest of season 2 is a bumpy ride! ❤❤❤
BTW, original plan was to have a tank. But a bazooka is way better, I think.
Innocence _had_ to be a banger. If any aspect of it failed, it would've been a disaster. Especially Angelus. We've been told how awful Angel was before he got his soul back, but it's easy to tell the audience that and hard to show them in a way that actually lives up to the hype.
Watching that scene where he hits all of Buffy's insecurities one by one, and "was it good for you too?" you fucking buy it. Yes, he was that bad. Yes, the Scoobies are in terrible danger.
You know that there's a video online of Angel playing with his stake until he slays?
Doing two at a time works really well for season 2.
I always loved Drusilla one of my top favorite characters.
And here we go!
The reason Buffy stepped back on the stair when her mom came forward, is because Buffy smelled like sex, and drugs. She didn't want her mom to be tipped off by sniff radius.
What a load of rubbish. I could understand the sex part, but drugs? You pulled that out of your ass.
I went hoping there was a new buffy post from your guys and there was! Can’t wait
later after the series members of the cast minus smg just made a audio play in a world without buffy as the slayer. i hear its pretty good and damn its awesome to have cordelia reprise her role!
You can always tell when Angel turns evil because he breaks out the leather pants. Never trust a hot guy in leather pants!!!
2x13: When Buffy moves into the total suck that adulthood can be. This is the beginning when harsh reality intrudes on fantasy. Though, of course, there are demons, vamps, apocalypse, etc. This is where Buffy, underneath, is facing becoming an adult and finding out that sometimes those closest can cut deepest and life can really be shit. Like, the guy getting you put out to, and then turning into a gygundo a-hole because you gave it up... not sure, maybe that's a straight guy thing. But David plays Angelus masterfully. And I've never loved Giles more or I think will, unless something has escaped my old feeble brain, than the car scene near the ending of 2x14. "All you will get from me is my support... and my respect."
*and I'm done*
I was always a spike and dru girlie. Original pan awakening ha. My david era was end of angel series and then bones ❤but been waiting for these episodes for the beginning of angelus stuff, btw the judge is same actor who was big vamp ep1 and a few of buffy and is in charmed multiple times he's great
My heart 😞
I ❤This 2 Part Episode!🙆♀️🥰🧛♂️🎛🖥🩷
17:45 💔😭
Yep. It's time
I feel Judge Should have Been around more Angel turning bad was Pretty good