Honestly, saying osu is a waste of time because you won’t ever be a top player is a very shallow way of looking at the game. No matter how you look at it, osu is a singleplayer game. It’s you against yourself and unless you go out of your way to engage with the community, you won’t ever touch the multiplayer part. I’m sure if you asked peppy he’d tell you that the leaderboards are there to create friendly competition but that the game was made for players to have fun.
Saying "its only for fun" does not take away the fact that it is a waste of time. Wasting time is the act of spending time doing something unnecessary and not producing any benefit. You do not gain any benefit from playing osu whatsoever, in fact you are only ruining your physical and mental condition in the long run. Therefore, it is a waste of time.
@@user-fg3dz5kv7q its just a stupid take? What? Anyone who really wants to make it and is willing to put the time in can make it. If not then you can also play for fun?? With that take EVERYTHING you do is a waste of time.
@@NeinythOsu no I know what I said. Some people can play 8 hours a day for 20 years and get to like barely 4 digit meanwhile avg 10 year old plays for 1 month and gets a 2500pp play. Not everyone CAN make it.
I have chronic hand issues, so realistically I have 0 chance of becoming a top player. Some days, I’ll admit that I feel like quitting because I know I can’t play as much as other players, and my improvement is slow. Despite this, the friends I’ve made through osu, and the pure elation I receive when I set my shitty little 300pp plays, means a lot to me. Hopefully one day I’ll hit 4 digit, but even if I don’t I’ll have no regrets.
Honestly, nobody in the right mind would say “osu! is a waste of time” just because they couldn’t be a top player or get good at the game. Like think carefully before you even speak. It’s not like you play the game for the first time and instantly become a top player. It just takes time and dedication and those with patience will be rewarded with their hardwork. Though, most of the time, osu isn’t just to get better at the game. In the end, it’s just a game and we’re just trying to have fun and enjoy the game. From my POV, AryN should’ve just kept things to himself and not do anything. But for you polars, welcome back and actually good take from your video. In the words of rrtyui: “plz enjoy game”
Merami in 2016-2017 who couldnt stream 180bpm at all, but managed to get into the osu! speed hall of fame few years later is the thing that denies genetics for me
That is absurdly weak evidence against genetics lol, Just because one guy went from being garbage at a skill to being really good, doesn't mean genetics didn't play a role, the only way to disprove genetics is if you do a study with thousands of people.
@mohannedalmohandes4944 you do realize aetrna as a player has spent his entire time in osu quite literally just playing streams and speed strictly, right? he isnt the undisputable goat of speed for no reason. that guy has spent years literally just grinding speed and played practically nothing else. as the commenter said, theres an ancient video of aetrna struggling with end time, a 180bpm map, and even failing at the end. YEARS later, he dt's it. This isnt due to magic, or genetics. its due to hard work and sheer dedication. aetrna said it himself, he got good at speed by *just playing speed*. ive never seen any other player push a specific skillset so beyond and above anyone else and i honestly applaud him for it. people think "good player = genetics = easy improvement withiut much trying". this isnt the case.
bro that doesn't deny anything. Its not about being able to get very good at something or not, it's about how much time you take to get there compared to others.
the reason why people are dogging on him so much is not just because its a bad take, its a bad mindset to put onto others, there was no reason to spread the message "its not worth it, you'll never make it, quit right now" because thats not only toxic, but it flat out isnt true, if you genuinely want to become a top player, you can. all it takes is a lot of effort
My goal when I started playing this game 3 years ago wasnt even about being a top ranked player,but trying to improve so I can play cool and difficult maps to show off with my friends, because at the end of the day its about you having fun and how you want to play the game. Everyone has different goals for the game Sorry for poor grammar I'm bad at english😅
@@AyhamAlaboosi you'd be surprised how all gamemodes have their dedicated communities. I find it surprising that a majority of the playerbase is completely oblivious to this and many other community aspects, despite all the official newsposts etc
What frustrating for me is not about how i compare to others, but compare to myself 1-3 years ago. I get so irritated and sometimes tear up when I see my old scores and can barely beat them.
rhythm games to me are like a different way of enjoying music, an interractive fun way of enjoying songs i dont play rhythm games or osu to set insane plays or be the best, i do it because its more fun playing something along with the music rather than just listening to it sure i want to get better, so i can play the more difficult songs because they are more fun this guy dosent even know what rhythm games are about to begin with
People saying "X is a waste of time" should realize that it is applicable to everything. Every game with a competitive mode/scene is a waste of time, especially videogames. A lot of people who get good at sports or videogames know they won't be top 10 at a game yet they still do it.
tbh the video that he made is the least important thing about this situation, the real problem was the way the OSU! community OUR community reacted and responded to it. i mean he is a 15 yr kid and his brain is still growing, yet we have some people in their twenties harassing him, THATS THE REAL PROBLEM in my opinion.
You don't disregard someone's opinion and statements just because he's 15 and "his brain is still growing" you oppose it in a rational way and maturely lay out your counterpoints. That is the correct approach
@@soulofartorias9928 i agree with you, but there is always a better way to respond to him, i know that what im saying sounds delusional and unrealistic but man, why cant people be a bit more friendly, like rather than harassing him why dont we reason with him, we could potentially change his point of view, after all he is only 15, trust me its very easy to change a teens mind if done correctly. i dont have twitter (not because im young) so i dont really know how the drama works in there😅
My issue with AryNs video is that i just cant relate to it anyway shape or form and its honestly kinda shitty to say you shouldnt play osu just because you probably arent going to make it to #1 and ignoring the fact that people play it for the fun of it. I love osu but its the one game ive always played solely for MY own enjoyment. Dont care about PP or ranks. I just want to listen some banger music and click the circles. Also like you and AryN it would take alot of time to actually start the rank grind and im in my mid 20s so i dont have the time.
“You should quit and play something else.” There’s no point to be made after this, not even recommending a lifestyle change. To say you can’t do something is a negative reflection of who you are.
if everyone 3, 4, 5 digit and below quit, top players achievements won't be impressive at all, that guy is probably projecting (i just clicked on the video and i cbf watching it all bye)
I can understand Aryns take, I used to think the same way as he did. Wanting to get to the top but realizing it wont happen is depressing and can lead to that way of thinking. He is still just a 15 year old, taking his takes too seriously is quite silly and harassing him for saying that is even more silly. Just insulting has never been good for getting your point across, you should provide meaningful comments to the situation or just not say anything at all.
The reason why I started playing osu! is because I heard it made my aim better in fps games. But it turns out I had so many memories I couldn't forget with my friends lol. From my first time joining a tournament, the feeling when I lost or when I got a high pp score is not replaceable.
My mindset with everything makes it difficult to find something fun when I think about how shit I am compares to people who have played 10% the amount of time I have so I see where he's coming from
Although honestly being a top player must be fucking miserable having to play for hours and hours every day or risk falling behind and everyone spamming you to hurry up and gain that rank back
@@BlissBee I agree, I could never have the motivation to be a top player. That shit is like a full-time job for no pay. I think one of the big issues of osu! is that grinding PP only gets less enjoyable the higher you go because harder maps need to be faster BPM. Who the hell wants to listen to cursed 300bpm music all day long? When 7-8* sets were considered top player maps, those were actually super hype and struck a great balance between enjoyable to listen to, enjoyable to play, and enjoyable to watch. As a noob it seemed super exciting to maybe one day get there and as a long time player it was one of my most satisfying achievements to fc the maps that were once considered the crowning accomplishments of the people I looked up to when I was a noob. Nowadays you need to slap DT on maps that were never meant to be DT'd and it's like nails on a chalkboard to listen to OR it's going to be an 11* non-dt map but it's still like 290bpm and horrific because no good artist makes music at that bpm lmao. My point is it doesn't attract many new players because noobs probably can't even register what is going on at those difficulties, and music does infact have a speed limit that can't be surpassed. To each their own though, some people don't care about the music and just really enjoy the competitive aspect of osu and climbing the leaderboards. Personally I couldn't care less and I just like tournaments with 6-7* map pools loaded with bangers or playing the same masterpiece of a map that i've already fc'd like 20 times because it's just that fun.
OSU is one of those rare cases in which physical ability does matter and with such a large player base, nowadays, you'll most likely never make it to first in the world because it has enough players to find the wonderchild. But that shouldn't stop you from trying to go as far as possible and seeing your potential. (I've quit w at 6 digit because I was playing another game competitively)
As someone stuck in 6 digits (700-400k) for 3 years, I still enjoy playing osu and playing for passes while switching playstyle, tapping style and sensitivity every month
I've been playing the game for 7 years, and I've been stuck at 6 digits for a long time. I like the game, but sometimes I think I wasted my time in the osu. And I should have spent it on something better. Once you get older, you start to regret a lot of things. There is no point in competing in a game that you will never improve in my opinion. But I don't know, I don't know why I didn't put this game down.
in gd terms it's the same as beating a demon level is a waste of time because your skill probably won't be good enough to beat the hardest levels. imo spending your time on a game *is* a waste of time if you're not having fun at all, it's not if you're willingly spend hours upon hours playing a single game for the sake of entertainment and self accomplishment. even if you make it to the top it's just another goal that you've achieved because when your skill improved over time you always want more.
I haven't been in the community in a while, and holy heck am I not a bit thankful. This is a really shameful display on the public's side. The video itself lacked maturity, but it wasn't entirely wrong. It is more or less a negative worldview. However, that doesn't allow everyone to act like children. I am greatly ashamed of how all parties handled this. This is something which could have been sorted out cordially, and positively. I hope whoever's involved wizen in the future.
its a simple thing, if it’s fun and enjoyable for you, it’s not a waste of time. infact, being a top player, doesn’t necessarily meant it’ll be fun aswell, so theres by no reason saying it’s not a waste of time if you’re a top player. just play the game how you like, and if you’re having fun playing, its not a waste of time. also polars, cant wait for another osu! drama video in another year
About the genetics topic you mentioned, I think that it isn't so much genetics that can change how you improve, although that does play a part, the main factor that differentiates those who improve at the game and those who don't are the habits and mindset that one develops when first playing. If you're the type of person to naturally enjoy pushing your limits a bit by bit and gradually increasing acc and lowering miss counts on maps that you would have a hard time with when first trying them, this will let you improve far, far faster than someone who just plays a map once and moves on. This natural preference about how you play the game is far more important to whoever has better genetics, but it's usually not a determinable mindset, especially because new players usually aren't joining the game thinking "what mindset will let me improve the best?" Those who can force themselves into this mindset and these habits will usually get less enjoyment out of them than players who naturally are have them from the start, and that's what a lot of people mean by "genetics."
wait, repeating maps without fcing them first time and still not fcing after and after is good? I heard some ppl saying that restart is bad, it's first try or nothing I aways played restarting them to improve the combo, It worked on other rhythm games that I used to play
@@sharkgamer47 the fist try or nothing sentiment is quite horribly for improvement, take aetrna for example, he has thousands of retries on the same few maps and by playing them that much he acquired muscle memory for them, thus letting him push his limits. To be able to fc first try is good for constancy but bad for improvement. Ideally you would want to be able to eventually fc the maps you grind, but that's not always the case.
This is partially what anyone means by genetics in basically anything. Is the kid just a natural at dribbling the ball or is his approach to dribbling different. Ultimately it doesn't matter because even if he told you step by step his thought process and mentality towards doing it, it would be crazy hard to emulate. Some natural playstyles are really bad for improvement, and improving those might be beneficial. But what works for an individual (for fast and steady improvement) and finding it is like trying to solve a fucking invisible puzzle. That is to say so fucking hard you might as well chalk it up to genes or talent or something.
not everyone develops linearly, so it doesn't make sense to downplay their efforts, because they may not realise what they are doing wrong or what to improve on, so it's not fair to claim that it's a "waste of time" if some people don't understand their faults (e.g. 6 digit farmers)
I agree with this but luck and mindset changes play a huge part and despite popular belief are not something you can control. I injured my hand and it changed the way I approached the game in a way where I improved at my weakest skillset heavily without trying basically overnight. I had grinded low ar, aim control, HD for years at that point and it literally only paid off after I stopped playing for like a year and something just reset in my brain. Before that it was mindblock after mindblock mixed with some very occasional successes.
That’s like saying basketball is a waste of time because you won’t make it to the NBA lmao. Edit: U said it in the vid like 1 min after I commented this…
I never would've gotten to 4-digit if I had watched that video as a 5 or 6 digit and taken it to heart, that's all I really have to say on that matter. I played osu! for almost a decade, was never talented or anything but I loved the game and improved gradually over the course of my time playing, eventually I found other ways to spend my time and slowly stopped playing... but... the thing is; I took skills from osu! into my new endeavors, I started playing league and I came into it with a solid advantage over other new players as I had the hand-eye-coordination, aim, nerve control, reaction time, etc, from osu! which would've taken me years upon years to develop to the same degree if I hadn't ever played osu!... Of course, if I had been playing League instead of osu! that whole time I probably would be a bit better... but... I also never would've had those amazing experiences and I never would have met all those amazing osu! ppl, and I can't say I'd take that trade-off if I had the choice to go back. I'm better at League today than I ever was at osu! and the same will probably go for OW2 and Valorant now that I'm picking those games up, but life isn't just about being as good as you can at whatever you do, it's about enjoying your precious time on this stinky lil blue rock in space, nobody is going to remember if I got to the top 100 or whatever in some long forgotten videogame, but when I'm on my deathbed I'll remember how much fun I had getting there and that's what makes it worth it to me. Life isn't always a straight path.
I dont think AryN realizes that every top player was a 5 digit at one point so to say that it is pointless for 5 digits to try to be a top player is just completely flawed
In the past 5 years the skill requirement to get into 3 digit alone become higher and higher and in the last 2 years alone the skill demand for player to reach 4 digit alone is already high and the map variety become very very huge. It seems ayrn is more of a good case of disgruntled player getting mad at people good at the game depend which skill specialy some player have despide being stuck in 4 or 5 digits for so long which is why he made that rather condensending opinion about 5 digit player which mark my word in the next 5 years if this game still survive that long, you will see 5 digit to late 6 digit (close to 5 digit) as more of mid game and the 7 digit going to be deem as medium skill set, getting 4 digit at that year going to be hard and you can't even depends on luck that much anymore.
"osu is a waste of time because you won’t ever be a top player" So you also shouldnt go to school because you can never be the next Einstein? what kind of logic is this?
I play osu for fun, even though I'm dog shit at it... I know I'm not gifted but, I still think that's a way to improve mentally (due to the dedication put into the game), as well for reflex (I don't know if it's placebo, but ever since I started putting more time into it, I tend to be calmer on stressful situations and have better reflexes). In the past, I tried playing many FPS games and trying to be consistent, but I couldn't (not comparing any FPS game with OSU)... It's different with Osu, as it looks linear and, you have a clear "vision" of what to improve, which is different than other games. I think AryN was just frustrated by trying and people who put less time into it were better, tbh that happens to all of us.
As someone whos wasted countless hours practicing different skillsets and improving slowly and getting 1100 hours in only 2 years of course one day i hope to be as good as mrekk but i understand that i just have to enjoy the game for now.
I just wanna become better than myself. Seeing that I manage to do patterns that I struggled on in the past feels incredible. If your goal is to become the best, it probably won't happen, and it'll cost you a lot of your personal life and time. But if your goal is just to improve yourself, and have fun, well that's a very reasonable motivation. Also hot take (completely not hot take): If you don't want to lose your sanity, get off Twitter
Not an osu player, somehow managed to come across this video, so heres my take. Esports is a plague to modern gaming. This isn't for kids, do whatever you want, yall got the time, reaction time and ability to learn/improve at an insane rate us older guys cant do anymore. If you are an adult and you've spent thousands of hours on trying to improve, hey keep going, but be reasonable. If you have fun in this hobby, by all means. Its a video game to have fun, if you enjoy climbing ranks keep at it. But don't put in hours that will destroy your life outside the game please and don't expect to go pro.
I play osu! to improve my own skill, it feels rewarding to notice that I'm getting better the more I play. I'll never be that good at the game, but I really have fun playing it, so I will continue to play it :)
If I shouldn't play because I cannot be top 10 or 100 and everyone would take what he is saying, then there would only be 10 players left in osu!, the top 10. Or if there was serious competition maybe 200. I wonder if the guy even does anything if he thinks that stuff is only worth if you can become top 0.1% at it.
This is a very weird take as you can say the same exact thing about anything in life. You will never be the best at this and that because there will always be someone better than you. However, that's not the point. I think that people DON'T start playing osu with the mindset of becoming the best in the first place. They just want to click circles.
I know that I won't be a top player because I'm not even willing to put that much time into it, but I want to be as good as I can and I am satisfied with my 5 digit rank
If you only want to play a video game because of the goal of being one of the best at it, then you're doing it wrong. If you wanna be the best at it for financial benefits, you're doing it thrice as wrong as personally I do stuff way easier and probably earn way more than mrekk (cause the peak price potential of osu is pretty much just minimum wage), so doing it for money is extreme 8th grade behaviour. Generally speaking osu drama is always just extremly silly because its literally a bunch of teenage kids arguing about a circle clicking game. And I hate to break it to all the kids reading this, but kids as a collective are very stupid (and that's ok) and every sane adult agrees on that.
from this video, there's an argument I find interesting, which is that you'll likely never make it to the top, unless you have a great mindset. I firmly believe that osu! is not at the point where even if your entire life goal was to become the best at osu!, but you're 25, you'll never make it (however, mrekk and definitely ivaxa are closing this gap very quickly). osu! hasn't been around as long as popular sports, like soccer, so the skill ceiling is not as fleshed out. However, there's definitely other things that can hinder your ability to make it to the top, such as for example, acting rehearsals, sports practice, or unfinished art projects, and these things can totally prevent you from becoming a top player, that is if you have all of that happening and you have the mindset of being a top player. the takeaway here is, I believe that top players are only top players because they have a ton of free time, and they are more used to things moving faster (this is an argument of nurture, and not nature, so it's not genetics), hence the reason top players are extremely young. If anyone wants to give their opinion about this, feel free to reply.
Arynn as a content creator is not very clear when it comes to conveying his ideas. his video was probably targeted at people who just farm in order to become the best, but I don't know because his video only briefly discussed those who play to improve v.s. those who play to be the best.
Im not good at osu, nor do I play it as much as before. Sure, I’ll never be as good as them, but osu is a fun game and clicking circles will be always be a blast
tbh i think he was mostly right but since he only covered that "the game isnt a waste of time if you play for fun" for a few seconds, people kinda forget about it or it becomes over shadowed by the yap
I feel like their entire argument is just their own personal mindset, and honestly, I can understand it; but that's not to say it isn't a toxic mindset. There will *always* be someone better than you, at anything, and everything. Let's say you are the best now, someone could still always come along and become "the best". Instead of comparing yourself to others, try improving yourself and finding your own way to enjoy the game instead of being "the best". If your enjoyment of the game is competitive, instead of spending that time bashing on yourself, figure out a positive way to improve at the game and become "the best" if not "one of the best". I feel like their argument of "go play something else osu is a waste of time" is also contradicting, seeing how whatever you play, the same logic can apply. It's a really shallow way of looking at things and just.. honestly ruins your own mentality of self improvement when you start comparing yourself to others and saying "you'll never be the best". To me it's never been about becoming "the best", it's always been about improving and enjoying the game while I'm improving. Enjoy the game, improve in the process, that's my mindset for *any* game, not just osu!.
i came here to keep up to date with whatever is going on in the osu community. and ofc not even 30 minutes into the vid im met with something blue archive related. im never escaping it am i. (it wont leave me alone despite me not viewing anything of the sorts relating to it ;-;)
That video is on another level of stupid. Hard work can match talent. ANYONE can be a top player if they try hard enough. But, not everyone plays osu! to be a top player, they play to have fun, this argument alone destroys Aryn's.
Saying all what has been said in the video from this certain youtuber, would mean you could basically quit EVERY game, because you will (almost) never be as good as the pros in every game out there.
aryn is young, and he tried to make a meaningful and thoughtful video but he completely forgets that people play for fun. all it is is that he made a type of video he's not good at because he fails to think about anything outside of this original point that he most likely came up with because he knew it would get clicks. also he doesnt realize that all his points apply to literally everything in life
Yeah, I'm 5 digit and actively playing the game since the end of 2018 maybe. Am I bad? yes. Am I regretting anything? No. The memories and friendships I've made since then are irreplaceable. And even if I won't get better I simply like to click circles to the beat lol.
Bruh. I didn't know people this insecure existed. If your entire sense of value in playing osu! comes from how you compare to other players, then yes -- you should quit the game, no doubt about that. I just click circles because it's a fun fucking activity to do in my free time. Sometimes I climb the rankings and sometimes I don't. If I'm not enjoying myself I just turn the game off and go do something different. "But what if it's someone's passion??". If someone is passionate about the game THEN THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT HOW THEY COMPARE TO OTHER PLAYERS. If your passion is climbing the ranks, you're not even playing the game -- just constantly drowning in frustration and disappointment. If you can't see that you're literally mentally ill.
I don't care about being productive or being a top player, especially in the eyes of others, I just want stable income and to have fun in life and do what I want to do. I play video games because I enjoy them. so yeah, will just say I respectfully disagree.
well, actually it's genetics what make you improve (faster) everyone can be 1#, everyone can be whatever they want to be, but it's about time. someone will get to top 100 in maybe 6 month, other will take 6 years. so yes playing for only reach high ranks is the waste of time not the game itself. if you play to improve at certain skill then you can be better than top players, if you play for fun only you're a gigachad❤
"osu is a waste of time". And i agree. I play osu! to waste some time. I mean, we all play games to waste some time. Some of us just want to enjoy the joy of clicking circles. And some of us may be even realize that we would never reach the top, and that's okay. On the contrary, isn't trying too hard to be the best on a circle clicking game to a music beat while coping that most of the players will never reach the top a waste of time?
I don’t disagree with the comments on AryN. If you say something so stupid and demotivating that we really don’t need in our community, then everyone should shout out you’re wrong, so this kid can actually learn something. So comments like “you’re a loser” are completely fine to me.
I mean like hes right tho when it comes to the fact that we will never be as good as a top player if you dont have that talent its just a pretty real thought.
Honestly, saying osu is a waste of time because you won’t ever be a top player is a very shallow way of looking at the game. No matter how you look at it, osu is a singleplayer game. It’s you against yourself and unless you go out of your way to engage with the community, you won’t ever touch the multiplayer part. I’m sure if you asked peppy he’d tell you that the leaderboards are there to create friendly competition but that the game was made for players to have fun.
Also the logic that you'll never get good enough to go pro can be applied to any activity, let alone game
Yea. Agreed
That’s like saying life is a waste lf time because you’ll never be a millionaire
Saying "its only for fun" does not take away the fact that it is a waste of time.
Wasting time is the act of spending time doing something unnecessary and not producing any benefit. You do not gain any benefit from playing osu whatsoever, in fact you are only ruining your physical and mental condition in the long run. Therefore, it is a waste of time.
@@V3rsat1le Everything is a waste of time
bro's take was so shit it made polars come back after 1 year of not uploading
Quite the achievement, honestly.
Kinda crazy man
everyone starts at the bottom, and it's not always about being in a high rank bruh
@codemiki1915ok
Some people really forget what games are for, like, fun.
3:38 what a good analogy!
Its just a frustrated human being that just gave up because HE couldnt make it.
Ah, the "jealousy" card. Is this how you soothe yourself anytime someone makes a point you struggle to comprehend?
@@user-fg3dz5kv7q its just a stupid take? What? Anyone who really wants to make it and is willing to put the time in can make it. If not then you can also play for fun?? With that take EVERYTHING you do is a waste of time.
@@NeinythOsu Most people can't make it no matter how much time they will put but ALSO it's not a waste of time because it's fun
@@nadavvvv ofc.. not everyone WILL make it but CAN make it.. its also depends on mindset and stuff.. its hard but not impossible, thats my point
@@NeinythOsu no I know what I said. Some people can play 8 hours a day for 20 years and get to like barely 4 digit meanwhile avg 10 year old plays for 1 month and gets a 2500pp play. Not everyone CAN make it.
I have chronic hand issues, so realistically I have 0 chance of becoming a top player. Some days, I’ll admit that I feel like quitting because I know I can’t play as much as other players, and my improvement is slow. Despite this, the friends I’ve made through osu, and the pure elation I receive when I set my shitty little 300pp plays, means a lot to me. Hopefully one day I’ll hit 4 digit, but even if I don’t I’ll have no regrets.
GLHF, my brotha 💪
0 days since osu drama
Wrong place to be😭😭
For real.
Honestly, nobody in the right mind would say “osu! is a waste of time” just because they couldn’t be a top player or get good at the game.
Like think carefully before you even speak. It’s not like you play the game for the first time and instantly become a top player. It just takes time and dedication and those with patience will be rewarded with their hardwork. Though, most of the time, osu isn’t just to get better at the game. In the end, it’s just a game and we’re just trying to have fun and enjoy the game.
From my POV, AryN should’ve just kept things to himself and not do anything. But for you polars, welcome back and actually good take from your video.
In the words of rrtyui:
“plz enjoy game”
where is my reward for my hardwork? mmm???
Merami in 2016-2017 who couldnt stream 180bpm at all, but managed to get into the osu! speed hall of fame few years later is the thing that denies genetics for me
That is absurdly weak evidence against genetics lol, Just because one guy went from being garbage at a skill to being really good, doesn't mean genetics didn't play a role, the only way to disprove genetics is if you do a study with thousands of people.
@@mohannedalmohandes4944 skill issue
@mohannedalmohandes4944 you do realize aetrna as a player has spent his entire time in osu quite literally just playing streams and speed strictly, right? he isnt the undisputable goat of speed for no reason. that guy has spent years literally just grinding speed and played practically nothing else.
as the commenter said, theres an ancient video of aetrna struggling with end time, a 180bpm map, and even failing at the end. YEARS later, he dt's it. This isnt due to magic, or genetics. its due to hard work and sheer dedication.
aetrna said it himself, he got good at speed by *just playing speed*. ive never seen any other player push a specific skillset so beyond and above anyone else and i honestly applaud him for it.
people think "good player = genetics = easy improvement withiut much trying". this isnt the case.
bro that doesn't deny anything. Its not about being able to get very good at something or not, it's about how much time you take to get there compared to others.
@@mohannedalmohandes4944 that's not the point, and also i don't see any multiple thousand people studies proving genetics in osu
the reason why people are dogging on him so much is not just because its a bad take, its a bad mindset to put onto others, there was no reason to spread the message "its not worth it, you'll never make it, quit right now" because thats not only toxic, but it flat out isnt true, if you genuinely want to become a top player, you can. all it takes is a lot of effort
Time as much as effort. People that arent children dont have that much time.
My goal when I started playing this game 3 years ago wasnt even about being a top ranked player,but trying to improve so I can play cool and difficult maps to show off with my friends, because at the end of the day its about you having fun and how you want to play the game.
Everyone has different goals for the game
Sorry for poor grammar I'm bad at english😅
Foreigners after writing a shakespearean essay:
Sorry for bad english
then the video wasnt about you
Nothing can replace the happiness you get from Improving and getting better at a game you Dedicate and Have passion for
what if i’m hardstuck 7 digit?
@@Lenevor it is what it is lmao
Wait until he finds out there are players who've spent 1000's of hours playing osu!catch
those are the true degens of osu
@@yunekoVT it's sad cause it true (I'm one of them)
i just thought last week that no one plays catch and no one has played 10+ hours so wow
@@AyhamAlaboosi you'd be surprised how all gamemodes have their dedicated communities. I find it surprising that a majority of the playerbase is completely oblivious to this and many other community aspects, despite all the official newsposts etc
@@AyhamAlaboosijust wait till you hear osu!taiko has players 💀
What frustrating for me is not about how i compare to others, but compare to myself 1-3 years ago. I get so irritated and sometimes tear up when I see my old scores and can barely beat them.
wait you can still beat your old scores?
@@hidratadop he said that he barely beats them, so its likely unusual. and this happens for me, too (i hope that i didnt misgender that person xd)
I requested Aryn to make a video about how to enjoy osu a few days ago :skull:
Now we know who to point the finger at ☝️
rhythm games to me are like a different way of enjoying music, an interractive fun way of enjoying songs
i dont play rhythm games or osu to set insane plays or be the best, i do it because its more fun playing something along with the music rather than just listening to it
sure i want to get better, so i can play the more difficult songs because they are more fun
this guy dosent even know what rhythm games are about to begin with
that aryn video sounds like something I would make when I was a depressed 15 year old
He is a depressed 15 year old
People saying "X is a waste of time" should realize that it is applicable to everything.
Every game with a competitive mode/scene is a waste of time, especially videogames.
A lot of people who get good at sports or videogames know they won't be top 10 at a game yet they still do it.
I think he has a real point. Don’t make your goal to be the top, make your goal to have fun. It’s about the journey, not the destination.
I play osu mania with all 10 of my fingers. 🗿
tbh the video that he made is the least important thing about this situation, the real problem was the way the OSU! community OUR community reacted and responded to it.
i mean he is a 15 yr kid and his brain is still growing, yet we have some people in their twenties harassing him, THATS THE REAL PROBLEM in my opinion.
if you dont want backlash, dont post stupid videos publicly that way then. not saying he should be harassed, but its gonna happen if youre on twitter
You don't disregard someone's opinion and statements just because he's 15 and "his brain is still growing" you oppose it in a rational way and maturely lay out your counterpoints. That is the correct approach
@@soulofartorias9928 i agree with you, but there is always a better way to respond to him, i know that what im saying sounds delusional and unrealistic but man, why cant people be a bit more friendly, like rather than harassing him why dont we reason with him, we could potentially change his point of view, after all he is only 15, trust me its very easy to change a teens mind if done correctly.
i dont have twitter (not because im young) so i dont really know how the drama works in there😅
not his first dumb take, and most likely not the last one
You're right, I don't agree with the video, but he's entitled to his own opinion
My issue with AryNs video is that i just cant relate to it anyway shape or form and its honestly kinda shitty to say you shouldnt play osu just because you probably arent going to make it to #1 and ignoring the fact that people play it for the fun of it. I love osu but its the one game ive always played solely for MY own enjoyment. Dont care about PP or ranks. I just want to listen some banger music and click the circles.
Also like you and AryN it would take alot of time to actually start the rank grind and im in my mid 20s so i dont have the time.
Holy shit Polars is cooking. Let's fucking go. So happy to see you posting videos again
Who else just plays to relisten just old anime intros to re remember the old anime you watched
“You should quit and play something else.” There’s no point to be made after this, not even recommending a lifestyle change. To say you can’t do something is a negative reflection of who you are.
Just watch the entire video bro
@@setsunaXVI did I jump the gun? I just clicked on it and heard negative stuff right away.
@@jrwwp well I don’t blame you for thinking that but yeah pretty much towards the end he says becoming a top player is all about mindset which is true
@@setsunaXVI ah alright, well maybe someone can see this comment and take something from it anyway
if everyone 3, 4, 5 digit and below quit, top players achievements won't be impressive at all, that guy is probably projecting (i just clicked on the video and i cbf watching it all bye)
I can understand Aryns take, I used to think the same way as he did. Wanting to get to the top but realizing it wont happen is depressing and can lead to that way of thinking. He is still just a 15 year old, taking his takes too seriously is quite silly and harassing him for saying that is even more silly. Just insulting has never been good for getting your point across, you should provide meaningful comments to the situation or just not say anything at all.
The reason why I started playing osu! is because I heard it made my aim better in fps games. But it turns out I had so many memories I couldn't forget with my friends lol. From my first time joining a tournament, the feeling when I lost or when I got a high pp score is not replaceable.
My mindset with everything makes it difficult to find something fun when I think about how shit I am compares to people who have played 10% the amount of time I have so I see where he's coming from
Although honestly being a top player must be fucking miserable having to play for hours and hours every day or risk falling behind and everyone spamming you to hurry up and gain that rank back
les gooo wild blissbee spotting
@@BlissBee I agree, I could never have the motivation to be a top player. That shit is like a full-time job for no pay. I think one of the big issues of osu! is that grinding PP only gets less enjoyable the higher you go because harder maps need to be faster BPM. Who the hell wants to listen to cursed 300bpm music all day long?
When 7-8* sets were considered top player maps, those were actually super hype and struck a great balance between enjoyable to listen to, enjoyable to play, and enjoyable to watch. As a noob it seemed super exciting to maybe one day get there and as a long time player it was one of my most satisfying achievements to fc the maps that were once considered the crowning accomplishments of the people I looked up to when I was a noob.
Nowadays you need to slap DT on maps that were never meant to be DT'd and it's like nails on a chalkboard to listen to OR it's going to be an 11* non-dt map but it's still like 290bpm and horrific because no good artist makes music at that bpm lmao. My point is it doesn't attract many new players because noobs probably can't even register what is going on at those difficulties, and music does infact have a speed limit that can't be surpassed.
To each their own though, some people don't care about the music and just really enjoy the competitive aspect of osu and climbing the leaderboards. Personally I couldn't care less and I just like tournaments with 6-7* map pools loaded with bangers or playing the same masterpiece of a map that i've already fc'd like 20 times because it's just that fun.
OSU is one of those rare cases in which physical ability does matter and with such a large player base, nowadays, you'll most likely never make it to first in the world because it has enough players to find the wonderchild. But that shouldn't stop you from trying to go as far as possible and seeing your potential. (I've quit w at 6 digit because I was playing another game competitively)
As someone stuck in 6 digits (700-400k) for 3 years, I still enjoy playing osu and playing for passes while switching playstyle, tapping style and sensitivity every month
I've been playing the game for 7 years, and I've been stuck at 6 digits for a long time.
I like the game, but sometimes I think I wasted my time in the osu. And I should have spent it on something better.
Once you get older, you start to regret a lot of things.
There is no point in competing in a game that you will never improve in my opinion.
But I don't know, I don't know why I didn't put this game down.
in gd terms it's the same as beating a demon level is a waste of time because your skill probably won't be good enough to beat the hardest levels. imo spending your time on a game *is* a waste of time if you're not having fun at all, it's not if you're willingly spend hours upon hours playing a single game for the sake of entertainment and self accomplishment. even if you make it to the top it's just another goal that you've achieved because when your skill improved over time you always want more.
I haven't been in the community in a while, and holy heck am I not a bit thankful. This is a really shameful display on the public's side. The video itself lacked maturity, but it wasn't entirely wrong. It is more or less a negative worldview. However, that doesn't allow everyone to act like children. I am greatly ashamed of how all parties handled this. This is something which could have been sorted out cordially, and positively. I hope whoever's involved wizen in the future.
As IF the main point of osu is to rank up
take so bad fella came back after 1 year
I mean, hes right though? Except the part where he didnt take "playing for fun" into consideration
thing is in the video he did say that if you play for fun thats completely fine, i swear most of the people complaining didn't watch the video.
its a simple thing, if it’s fun and enjoyable for you, it’s not a waste of time.
infact, being a top player, doesn’t necessarily meant it’ll be fun aswell, so theres by no reason saying it’s not a waste of time if you’re a top player.
just play the game how you like, and if you’re having fun playing, its not a waste of time.
also polars, cant wait for another osu! drama video in another year
"osu is a waste of time if your goal is to reach to the top" probably is the correct message
About the genetics topic you mentioned, I think that it isn't so much genetics that can change how you improve, although that does play a part, the main factor that differentiates those who improve at the game and those who don't are the habits and mindset that one develops when first playing. If you're the type of person to naturally enjoy pushing your limits a bit by bit and gradually increasing acc and lowering miss counts on maps that you would have a hard time with when first trying them, this will let you improve far, far faster than someone who just plays a map once and moves on. This natural preference about how you play the game is far more important to whoever has better genetics, but it's usually not a determinable mindset, especially because new players usually aren't joining the game thinking "what mindset will let me improve the best?" Those who can force themselves into this mindset and these habits will usually get less enjoyment out of them than players who naturally are have them from the start, and that's what a lot of people mean by "genetics."
srry for wall of text
wait, repeating maps without fcing them first time and still not fcing after and after is good?
I heard some ppl saying that restart is bad, it's first try or nothing
I aways played restarting them to improve the combo, It worked on other rhythm games that I used to play
@@sharkgamer47 the fist try or nothing sentiment is quite horribly for improvement, take aetrna for example, he has thousands of retries on the same few maps and by playing them that much he acquired muscle memory for them, thus letting him push his limits. To be able to fc first try is good for constancy but bad for improvement. Ideally you would want to be able to eventually fc the maps you grind, but that's not always the case.
This is partially what anyone means by genetics in basically anything. Is the kid just a natural at dribbling the ball or is his approach to dribbling different. Ultimately it doesn't matter because even if he told you step by step his thought process and mentality towards doing it, it would be crazy hard to emulate. Some natural playstyles are really bad for improvement, and improving those might be beneficial. But what works for an individual (for fast and steady improvement) and finding it is like trying to solve a fucking invisible puzzle. That is to say so fucking hard you might as well chalk it up to genes or talent or something.
What we need is a more casual-oriented osu leaderboards where when someone starts tryharding too much, they get permabanned /s
not everyone develops linearly, so it doesn't make sense to downplay their efforts, because they may not realise what they are doing wrong or what to improve on, so it's not fair to claim that it's a "waste of time" if some people don't understand their faults (e.g. 6 digit farmers)
I agree with this but luck and mindset changes play a huge part and despite popular belief are not something you can control. I injured my hand and it changed the way I approached the game in a way where I improved at my weakest skillset heavily without trying basically overnight. I had grinded low ar, aim control, HD for years at that point and it literally only paid off after I stopped playing for like a year and something just reset in my brain. Before that it was mindblock after mindblock mixed with some very occasional successes.
That’s like saying basketball is a waste of time because you won’t make it to the NBA lmao.
Edit: U said it in the vid like 1 min after I commented this…
I said skill issue
I never would've gotten to 4-digit if I had watched that video as a 5 or 6 digit and taken it to heart, that's all I really have to say on that matter. I played osu! for almost a decade, was never talented or anything but I loved the game and improved gradually over the course of my time playing, eventually I found other ways to spend my time and slowly stopped playing... but... the thing is; I took skills from osu! into my new endeavors, I started playing league and I came into it with a solid advantage over other new players as I had the hand-eye-coordination, aim, nerve control, reaction time, etc, from osu! which would've taken me years upon years to develop to the same degree if I hadn't ever played osu!...
Of course, if I had been playing League instead of osu! that whole time I probably would be a bit better... but... I also never would've had those amazing experiences and I never would have met all those amazing osu! ppl, and I can't say I'd take that trade-off if I had the choice to go back.
I'm better at League today than I ever was at osu! and the same will probably go for OW2 and Valorant now that I'm picking those games up, but life isn't just about being as good as you can at whatever you do, it's about enjoying your precious time on this stinky lil blue rock in space, nobody is going to remember if I got to the top 100 or whatever in some long forgotten videogame, but when I'm on my deathbed I'll remember how much fun I had getting there and that's what makes it worth it to me.
Life isn't always a straight path.
"Stop having fun in games."
I dont think AryN realizes that every top player was a 5 digit at one point so to say that it is pointless for 5 digits to try to be a top player is just completely flawed
welcome back OJ
In the past 5 years the skill requirement to get into 3 digit alone become higher and higher and in the last 2 years alone the skill demand for player to reach 4 digit alone is already high and the map variety become very very huge. It seems ayrn is more of a good case of disgruntled player getting mad at people good at the game depend which skill specialy some player have despide being stuck in 4 or 5 digits for so long which is why he made that rather condensending opinion about 5 digit player which mark my word in the next 5 years if this game still survive that long, you will see 5 digit to late 6 digit (close to 5 digit) as more of mid game and the 7 digit going to be deem as medium skill set, getting 4 digit at that year going to be hard and you can't even depends on luck that much anymore.
"osu is a waste of time because you won’t ever be a top player"
So you also shouldnt go to school because you can never be the next Einstein? what kind of logic is this?
"Never give up" -Azer 2015
Man, Don't bully 15 years old on the internet it's just simply a bad act. Twitter really should improve when it comes to unpopular opinions😅
I play osu for fun, even though I'm dog shit at it... I know I'm not gifted but, I still think that's a way to improve mentally (due to the dedication put into the game), as well for reflex (I don't know if it's placebo, but ever since I started putting more time into it, I tend to be calmer on stressful situations and have better reflexes). In the past, I tried playing many FPS games and trying to be consistent, but I couldn't (not comparing any FPS game with OSU)... It's different with Osu, as it looks linear and, you have a clear "vision" of what to improve, which is different than other games. I think AryN was just frustrated by trying and people who put less time into it were better, tbh that happens to all of us.
As someone whos wasted countless hours practicing different skillsets and improving slowly and getting 1100 hours in only 2 years of course one day i hope to be as good as mrekk but i understand that i just have to enjoy the game for now.
my only reason for playing Osu is Rythm and ONLY maps with good music I like, that's it pretty much
4:23 Goated mindset
I just wanna become better than myself. Seeing that I manage to do patterns that I struggled on in the past feels incredible. If your goal is to become the best, it probably won't happen, and it'll cost you a lot of your personal life and time. But if your goal is just to improve yourself, and have fun, well that's a very reasonable motivation.
Also hot take (completely not hot take): If you don't want to lose your sanity, get off Twitter
kalau di pikir pikir semua game juga ngabisin waktu gak cuman osu doang
Not an osu player, somehow managed to come across this video, so heres my take. Esports is a plague to modern gaming. This isn't for kids, do whatever you want, yall got the time, reaction time and ability to learn/improve at an insane rate us older guys cant do anymore. If you are an adult and you've spent thousands of hours on trying to improve, hey keep going, but be reasonable. If you have fun in this hobby, by all means. Its a video game to have fun, if you enjoy climbing ranks keep at it. But don't put in hours that will destroy your life outside the game please and don't expect to go pro.
"The older you become, newer players that are better will take your place instead"
Wow, thanks for explaining literally any game !
I play osu! to improve my own skill, it feels rewarding to notice that I'm getting better the more I play. I'll never be that good at the game, but I really have fun playing it, so I will continue to play it :)
any video with a sad doomer wojak in the thumbnail is a waste of time
If I shouldn't play because I cannot be top 10 or 100 and everyone would take what he is saying, then there would only be 10 players left in osu!, the top 10. Or if there was serious competition maybe 200.
I wonder if the guy even does anything if he thinks that stuff is only worth if you can become top 0.1% at it.
This is a very weird take as you can say the same exact thing about anything in life. You will never be the best at this and that because there will always be someone better than you. However, that's not the point. I think that people DON'T start playing osu with the mindset of becoming the best in the first place. They just want to click circles.
I know that I won't be a top player because I'm not even willing to put that much time into it, but I want to be as good as I can and I am satisfied with my 5 digit rank
If you only want to play a video game because of the goal of being one of the best at it, then you're doing it wrong. If you wanna be the best at it for financial benefits, you're doing it thrice as wrong as personally I do stuff way easier and probably earn way more than mrekk (cause the peak price potential of osu is pretty much just minimum wage), so doing it for money is extreme 8th grade behaviour. Generally speaking osu drama is always just extremly silly because its literally a bunch of teenage kids arguing about a circle clicking game. And I hate to break it to all the kids reading this, but kids as a collective are very stupid (and that's ok) and every sane adult agrees on that.
completely agree btw I hope next video soon 🐢👍
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from this video, there's an argument I find interesting, which is that you'll likely never make it to the top, unless you have a great mindset. I firmly believe that osu! is not at the point where even if your entire life goal was to become the best at osu!, but you're 25, you'll never make it (however, mrekk and definitely ivaxa are closing this gap very quickly). osu! hasn't been around as long as popular sports, like soccer, so the skill ceiling is not as fleshed out. However, there's definitely other things that can hinder your ability to make it to the top, such as for example, acting rehearsals, sports practice, or unfinished art projects, and these things can totally prevent you from becoming a top player, that is if you have all of that happening and you have the mindset of being a top player.
the takeaway here is, I believe that top players are only top players because they have a ton of free time, and they are more used to things moving faster (this is an argument of nurture, and not nature, so it's not genetics), hence the reason top players are extremely young. If anyone wants to give their opinion about this, feel free to reply.
Arynn as a content creator is not very clear when it comes to conveying his ideas. his video was probably targeted at people who just farm in order to become the best, but I don't know because his video only briefly discussed those who play to improve v.s. those who play to be the best.
I play to impress my self, not others
Im not good at osu, nor do I play it as much as before. Sure, I’ll never be as good as them, but osu is a fun game and clicking circles will be always be a blast
tbh i think he was mostly right but since he only covered that "the game isnt a waste of time if you play for fun" for a few seconds, people kinda forget about it or it becomes over shadowed by the yap
I feel like their entire argument is just their own personal mindset, and honestly, I can understand it; but that's not to say it isn't a toxic mindset. There will *always* be someone better than you, at anything, and everything. Let's say you are the best now, someone could still always come along and become "the best". Instead of comparing yourself to others, try improving yourself and finding your own way to enjoy the game instead of being "the best". If your enjoyment of the game is competitive, instead of spending that time bashing on yourself, figure out a positive way to improve at the game and become "the best" if not "one of the best".
I feel like their argument of "go play something else osu is a waste of time" is also contradicting, seeing how whatever you play, the same logic can apply. It's a really shallow way of looking at things and just.. honestly ruins your own mentality of self improvement when you start comparing yourself to others and saying "you'll never be the best".
To me it's never been about becoming "the best", it's always been about improving and enjoying the game while I'm improving. Enjoy the game, improve in the process, that's my mindset for *any* game, not just osu!.
People just gave up too easily, smh people these days, what the heck are you doing /thinking
Welcome back!
videogame itself is just a time killer.
it always was a "waste of time" because thats the purpose, so idk whats so special about that video.
Not playing a game cause you won’t reach the top is stupid, if you enjoy playing the game and have fun then just continue having fun
awesome opinion on the matter, great vid. welcome back king
i came here to keep up to date with whatever is going on in the osu community.
and ofc not even 30 minutes into the vid im met with something blue archive related.
im never escaping it am i.
(it wont leave me alone despite me not viewing anything of the sorts relating to it ;-;)
That video is on another level of stupid. Hard work can match talent. ANYONE can be a top player if they try hard enough. But, not everyone plays osu! to be a top player, they play to have fun, this argument alone destroys Aryn's.
Saying all what has been said in the video from this certain youtuber, would mean you could basically quit EVERY game, because you will (almost) never be as good as the pros in every game out there.
3:40 you don't need to be 7 foot tall to be good at basketball tho? There was a dude who was like 5'1 or sum
I think you should watch the entire video before jumping to conclusion. as he's only talking about himself, not you.
His argument is so stupid because it's true about basically every competitive game.
didnt play osu but ofc its gonna be treated like a waste of time if the only thing you think about is getting to the top of some leaderboard
aryn is young, and he tried to make a meaningful and thoughtful video but he completely forgets that people play for fun. all it is is that he made a type of video he's not good at because he fails to think about anything outside of this original point that he most likely came up with because he knew it would get clicks. also he doesnt realize that all his points apply to literally everything in life
Its a paradox, mrekk would not be rank 1 without reaching 5 digit before that
Yeah, I'm 5 digit and actively playing the game since the end of 2018 maybe. Am I bad? yes. Am I regretting anything? No. The memories and friendships I've made since then are irreplaceable. And even if I won't get better I simply like to click circles to the beat lol.
Living is a waste of time, until you stop being 15 and get a grip on real reality and enjoy life
Bruh.
I didn't know people this insecure existed. If your entire sense of value in playing osu! comes from how you compare to other players, then yes -- you should quit the game, no doubt about that.
I just click circles because it's a fun fucking activity to do in my free time. Sometimes I climb the rankings and sometimes I don't. If I'm not enjoying myself I just turn the game off and go do something different.
"But what if it's someone's passion??". If someone is passionate about the game THEN THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT HOW THEY COMPARE TO OTHER PLAYERS. If your passion is climbing the ranks, you're not even playing the game -- just constantly drowning in frustration and disappointment. If you can't see that you're literally mentally ill.
I don't care about being productive or being a top player, especially in the eyes of others, I just want stable income and to have fun in life and do what I want to do.
I play video games because I enjoy them.
so yeah, will just say I respectfully disagree.
well, actually it's genetics what make you improve (faster) everyone can be 1#, everyone can be whatever they want to be, but it's about time.
someone will get to top 100 in maybe 6 month, other will take 6 years. so yes playing for only reach high ranks is the waste of time not the game itself.
if you play to improve at certain skill then you can be better than top players, if you play for fun only you're a gigachad❤
no way, polar is out of the obama and trump videos
Guess I'll never play Counter Strike again because I'll never be a pro.
"osu is a waste of time". And i agree.
I play osu! to waste some time. I mean, we all play games to waste some time. Some of us just want to enjoy the joy of clicking circles. And some of us may be even realize that we would never reach the top, and that's okay. On the contrary, isn't trying too hard to be the best on a circle clicking game to a music beat while coping that most of the players will never reach the top a waste of time?
I don’t disagree with the comments on AryN. If you say something so stupid and demotivating that we really don’t need in our community, then everyone should shout out you’re wrong, so this kid can actually learn something. So comments like “you’re a loser” are completely fine to me.
I mean like hes right tho when it comes to the fact that we will never be as good as a top player if you dont have that talent its just a pretty real thought.
imagine playing standard for any reason but for fun
"If i can't be a top player, nobody can be a top player"
Did they forget that not everyone is an ultra competitive person?