Thrustmaster TARGET (T.A.R.G.E.T) Tutorial - TWO JOYSTICKS IN ONE?
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- Опубликовано: 14 сен 2021
- Learn how easy Thrustmaster's T.A.R.G.E.T software is to customize your HOTAS, how to make any button perform two functions, and how quickly you can make macros.
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seriously this is the best one on target so far. phenomenal job
Thank you and it is really just adapting the many generations of fighter jet development to Star Citizen…I wish they would design their systems to match because we would need about half the buttons.
Great info in a great presentation! You have made the jump into the verse
much easier
ok, you just opened a new world to me. thx a lot for the explanations and your vids!!
You are welcome and I hope you enjoy it as much as I do
Have been using TM gear since the days of joystick ports on the PC, but haven't done TARGET customization in a couple decades... basically, forgot mostly all of it. And TM doesn't have the best docs. So - dude, this vid rocked. Thanks so much; looking forward to watching the others you've made and getting Warthog tweaked!
I am glad it helped and I do plan on doing another advanced version.
Super helpful, I never took advantage of this software until now.
Glad it helped and this software has amazing options for making a profile
Hi, for some reason my Add event button is grayed out and i want to set my one button on my warthog to CTRL + Right Click, is there a way to do that?
Hi, has anyone successfully programmed keyboard buttons to work on the Cougar Radar Range Dial(or any warthog dial) using Target? I have two keyboard buttons (+/- keys) that I'd like to use the range dial to cause enough presses to occur across the lowest to highest range of the radar dial. That is, the plus key when pressed causes volume on my in game radio to go up as it is pressed or held until it reach max volume. Likewise, pressing the minus key brings the volume back down to zero. I'd like to get the range dial programmed to do the key presses as I turn the range up or down. However, I want the presses spread accross the full range of the dial. The Target manual says that it is possible, but I can't get it to do more than a few key presses as I turn the dial up or down.
How to create profile for warthog joystick paired with t1600m joystick? I can't seem to get inputs for the movements of my 2nd joystick. Other than buttons on the warthog/2nd joystick. T1600 joystick working all movements and buttons.
i only try to confic. that the little silver ones have two call.
Greate tutorial! I‘ve learn the knowledge your video demonstrating from the manual,the video form is greater than manual! But I still have a problem in customizing the Axis function of "DCS World". The Axis in T.A.R.G.E.T can only bind X,Y...but Axis in "DCS World" could be a lot of binding,like HUD brightness，position light brightness.Therefore I can not bind T.A.R.G.E.T's Axis to "DCS World" specific function.
There is a way to do advanced bindings and I will be working on a video that may address what you are referring to.
Nice tutorial! After seeing how you’d setup your profile and my previous experience fiddling around in Target GUI I managed to customise and greatly expand upon it to my own personal preferences but didn’t know about the issue with using Hold on a non-primary level event and thought the delay was for use in conjunction with the hold function (not simply an activation delay) so I’m glad you pointed out these simple but important details.
Did you see my google doc detailing the changes and additions I’d made to your original profile? Would be interested to hear your thoughts on them :)
Thank you and I have not had a chance to read it, but I should this week
@@CaliJoshua Cool and yeah that’s understandable as I was fairly thorough and it would take a bit to parse it all. Here is the link again so you don’t have to go digging back through older comments: docs.google.com/document/d/1peI4IbZXiDhC5fKITawGxn9vCKqC9hDRtlwzIVhC2o0/edit
Thank you and I actually saved it
@@CaliJoshua Ah nice, someone that’s actually organised 😄 Usually when I send someone links I have to send them again 1 or 2 more times when they don’t think to save or bookmark them. Re-reading my doc again I realise I’ve not updated it for some slight changes regarding docking mode and a couple other additions to the throttle base. I’ll let you know if I get round to updating it, not overly important though, from memory I changed the in game docking mode and camera mappings and also added profile events for weapons and shield power on and off to the front most two switches on the base so I can do a full manual “ramp start” (LOL in comparison to say an F16 ramp start in BMS) or individually control them as needed. Often I like to just power down the engines while briefly landed but leave the rest of the ship running.
I save all my events and all but the event tester doesnt show anything
Nice and clear presentation. I followed every step of this tutorial and tested perfectly, but, never worked on DCS. What else do I have to do? Import? Is there something that I did not prepared in DCS?
Did you have the .fcf file for the profile running? Also you will bind the keybindings you want to they joystick and it emulate the keyboard inputs. This means you have to bind anything in game as a keyboard input not a joystick input.
Thanks for answered me. But, … how do I do that? I am not that “techy” to know what to do. Thanks again for helping me.
You have any comment on TARGET compatibility with Windows 11? The release notes on the website say Windows 7, 8, 10.
No and I have yet to take the plunge to W 11
Hi CaliJoshua, will the Target software work on a Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4 and if so can the paddles on the throttle work as Zoom in and Zoom out? Thanks Craig
I do not see that as an option as a joystick you can choose. You would be much better off with at T-16000.
any ideas why when i use the target software and load it up into DCS, the stick and throttle are not moving? they work fine after i load target and see it in game controllers as a virtual controller, everything works as expected... just in DCS the stick axis and throttle thrust levers don't do anything... thoughts? frustrating cause i really want to use target to dual map buttons...
I use it in DCS for this exact purpose. Try the tips in this video and if not I dunno. ruclips.net/video/hc5NQDaWEXY/видео.html
So what i am finding out tonight, just got my thrustmaster warthog and found your video on target after i realized i wasn't going to get the switches to work....anyways what i have realized is that if you turn target on, it seems to override any joystick mapping you have already done, i just blew up 3 x in a hangar because i didn't realize this.
do you think you could do some more videos on this and maybe show us how to map the throttle in target, i can't seem to get it to work correctly.
love your videos, and thank you.
TARGET turns your joystick into a keyboard emulator. Any button you program will no longer work as a x-binding in a game where you set joysticks bindings. Those buttons will work in the keyboard inputs. I know you can change which axis is assigned to each axis input, but I would assign the axis in game in case windows randomly changes inout numbers.
Great target info , any suggestion on dealing with stiction on the stick itself. I know it's unrelated to software
Stiction on buttons of the axis of the stick?
@@CaliJoshua stick axis
Maybe this will help ruclips.net/video/55Jz-yum8OM/видео.html
Great video
Thank you and I hope it is helpful
I'm still having problems setting up TRDR. I removed the AX command and trying to give it CTRL 1 and CTRL 2... Doesn't work. Is it because it's an Axes?? or am i doing something wrong??
If you are trying to make an axis respond as a key command that is done in the axis where you make it a binding. Topic for my next tutorial
very useful. but how to add the default button into the key command section? for example, when i press BSF, i want to spam BSF ingame about every 3 seconds. is this even possible?
You can make a macro with any key and add a delay in ms, so if the max delay goes that high then yes.
Hi! First of all thank you so much for the tutorial! Amazing. Second of all i wanted to ask you if you could make a tutorial on setting axes in Target. I'm trying to play Ace Combat 7 with the T16000M and the TWCS throttle and i'm in big trouble. Especially because the game automatically sees my controllers and there is no way i can change my controlls for them. I cannot play with the default settings.
In the beginning of the video where I talk about axis assignments, you can use the drop downs to assign them to whatever you want. X can be Y and so forth. Is this what you are needing?
@@CaliJoshua i mean, let's say i want to asign a button on my keyboard that usually controlls an axis to an axis. Let's say the A button for the roll left controll. How do i translate that to a joystick axis?
I know you can make an axis a button and assign bands to get some modulation, but I don’t think you can make a keypress and axis. I believe the game has to accept axis inputs. If the game allows a game pad, then you can emulate that to an axis via a program I have used in the past. The movement ratio isn’t always ideal and I had to adjust curves, but it worked.
@@CaliJoshua Ok. I understand. Afterall is all about trail an error. Anyways. Congratulations on your videos. They are amazing! And thank you so much for responding to my comment! I am so gratefull! Liked and subscribed.
You are welcome and I made them for exactly this reason as the frustration can run high. Thank you and I have more in the works.
Hi, great tutorial. I have aThrustmaster warthog hotas and I fly multiple aircraft in dcs. Can I create different profiles for different aircraft and will my new profile add to the default aircraft profile in dcs, or will the new profile overwrite it?
I have one for the Hornet I can share. Each profile will need to be dedicated to one jet. So make a new profile.
@@CaliJoshua Hi CaliJoshua. Thanks for your reply and thanks for the offer of a profile but I don't fly the Hornet. I'm mostly Ka-50 III, the HInd, and slow, low jets - I like to see the whites of their eyes 😀 My question is, does the TARGET profile overwrite the DCS control settings or does it run alongside as additional functions. You know how it is with the Warthog HOTAS, there are loads of wasted keys! I am interested in setting up the flap switch, for example, so it uses all three positions. I am also interested in using long and short controls (like the A-10C) - that is something I could definitely use. Anyway, thanks again for your reply.
@nialball9023 So the DCS profile would only be in the keyboard settings because TARGET emulates keyboard inputs. So it will not use the X bindings on the Joystick settings or in this case the Virtual Game Controller TARGET makes when you run a profile. We work heavily with helicopters, but all NATO. We do have a red air squadron though.
Hello Messiah! Another great video! What did your wife say about you spending a lot of your time on these kind of stuff? I hope she understand that you are really helping us out here in improving our knowledge and in a way better our lives
She has her own hobbies, so she supports it. I try explaining what this means for people, but not sure how much she notices as she is not a gamer lol. Thanks for the compliment and I think I am improving, but it is what all of you say that really let’s me know if I am.
@@CaliJoshua I spent about 5 days hitting the wall not knowing how to program the HOTAS T16000 which i bought just for Star Citizen. Then I spent another week using the HOTAS with just basic configuration and then i found your videos and how to install your profile configuration for Star Citizen.. I dissected it and took me another 2 days to understand how TARGET and Star Citizen work.. It helped me so much and your this video really clears all my assumption of certain functions within the TARGET software. You have greatly reduced the stress I endured these weeks and improved my state of being! I cant thank you enough Messiah! for sharing your experience so that others can skip the pain and frustrations you've gone through yourself. Thank you!
Wow that means a great deal because I lived that pain when I started and to help someone have less of it was one of my biggest goals. To beaks it down and not skip any steps. I hope you enjoy profile and I look forward to any feedback.
So, I have a T16000M and a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro and I'm trying to set up some things for Star Citizen.
I wanted to do something like the left button on the top of the T16000M would be "shift" on my keyboard, and the top left button on the top of the Logitech would also be "shift".
Then, in-game, set keyboard bindings for various things such as say I wanted bind the middle button on the T16000M to be Cruise Control. Cool, ok, set the binding in TARGET to be whatever the keyboard bind is for Cruise Control, let's just call it "F". Then, say I wanted the same button to also be activate Interaction mode, which by default in Star Citizen is holding the F key. So I could, for example, re-bind Interaction Mode to be "Shift-F" in-game, bind the button on my Logitech to be "shift" and the button on the T16000M to be "F"
Then if I just press the T16000M button it will be cruise control, but Shift-F would be Interaction mode. Does this make sense? Would it work? Since I have two different joysticks, the "shifted" (not to be confused with they keyboard key "shift") are not inter-operable. The Logitech software has the ability to "shift" the buttons to another layer, but that's not really want I want to do. I want to have one button being held down on one joystick affect the control of the other joystick.
You could do what you are wanting to but not with TARGET. You will need a third party app that recognizes any joystick/HOTAS brand
Dude this is fantastic thank you! Question, are these thing saved in the joysticks themselves or do you have to keep the TARGET software running in the background?
The TARGET software is needed to run and you have to load the .fcf file each time, but that is all (yes keep it running). The .xml or in game file will not need any work after it is setup, assuming the game you are using is stable.
@@CaliJoshua I must therefore run TARGET and then run my simulator? i saw a "run" option, but what should i put for microsoft flight simulator via steam?
@@limafox84 The profile only works with Star Citizen. When you change to a different game stop the profile. You can make your own profile for the other game if you choose.
@@limafox84 Yes the .fcf needs to run each time, and then Stop it before you use the Joystick / HOTAS in another game/sim
@@CaliJoshua How are you generating the .xml to match what you made in TARGET? I know how to export and save one in SC but how do you make to go along with the .fcf?
Does it support generic joysticks or it's for Thrustmaster products only?
Thrustmaster only, but I wish it worked with any
It is possible to use buttons combination for event? For example if i press buttons 26 and 27 (if both are pressed in the same time) i want to use key A in keyboard.
There may be some advanced way to do that, but the easiest is to just make a modified control. Press a modifier and a key and you get a different input
@@CaliJoshua Modifier is not solve for my problem :(. For example. There is 3 way Autopilot Select Switch. In positions 1 and 3 separate buttons are on and on middle (2) position no buttons are on. Now i want to use Engage/Disengage button to turn on autopilot but when i click Engage/Disengage i want to active another actions depends on Autopilot Select Switch position.
You can have second modifier
@@CaliJoshua What do you mean? I dont understand :). I dont want to push 2 buttons on 1 time. I want to active another action based on 3way switch when i click another button.
@@goliat2606 Yes you can set up two different modifiers. Press the button normal and you get one key. Press a modifier and you get a different key. Press a second modifier and you can have a third input.
I take it the UMD options (the options to the right of the primary/secondary selection.) Will be in a later video?
Yes indeed and then you can make any button do six functions if my math is correct
@@CaliJoshua hot damn, that'll be something to learn
Yeah and I have some ideas of what you can do with them, and currently testing it with a DCS Profile I am going to release for the FA-18
Be careful when you assign the U/M/D layers that you do not "Toggle" them because they are toggled by design anyway, where the I/O is not. Toggled the button will stay "IN" when you push and let go of it, Untoggled it will not stay Latched press for I, let go for O.. Remember O and M are your default mode and it's where you should put the bulk of the most common commands you need. I play IL2 Great Battles and DCS and I use the I/O toggled and U/M/D untoggled. I recently started using the DX modification where you get 128 DX commands vice the standard 32. Mainly with TARGET GUI, you can not program "TEMPO" keystrokes, or at least I have not found a way yet. Tempo is Long/Short keystrokes on the same button. You have to run this script from the TARGET Script editor, not the GUI. Cali, if you find a way to do TEMPO commands on the GUI let me know.
Thank you for the information and I have Tested a couple of things at a basic level in UMD, but I will test more and this before I make a video. I have not used them in any profile so I want to make sure I really understand it before I steer people wrong.
help, what do you do after this. I had saved the file so how do I turn it into a profile/xml file.
You run the profile from the TARGET Software
@@CaliJoshua thanks, I got it now. However seems my dual joysticks now both use the same axises so I had to redo that in T.A.R.G.E.T?
Yeah that makes sense and those axis assignments customization is so key.
Anyone else getting an issue when using 2 different t16000m joysticks at once where neither works after running the configuration? When I test it in the game controller window before running the config you can see the controllers working fine but after profile setup and running config nothing works. using the same version as this video (v3.0.20.826). I have seen other videos of people doing a dual stick setup since its popular for space games but those are 3+ years old
I am working on a dual T-16000 profiled or Star Citizen, and hope to have it out soon.
@@CaliJoshua that's awesome news! Can't wait.
I need to test my knowledge of TARGET so I can go beyond a single modifier, and to make my next tutorial video. Once I verify this information I will bike the actual profile. It maybe take a few weeks because I don’t have the sticks to test snd I rely on volunteers.
@@CaliJoshua I see! Heads up. If you can get your hands on one as well, there seems to be issues with just regular HOTAS stick and thruster. Its like it will only let me use one device at a time. Really appreciate you taking up the flag on this though, no matter how long it takes xD
I suggest trying this and make sure both are plugged into the the front or back of your computer not one in each forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/thrustmaster-t16000m-fcs-hardware-problems.421485/
I followed this, tried to make the Hat switch on my T16 Left, use the (4) KB arrow keys, but I could never get it to work. Iw would be nice if I could just download a working profile for this. I have an RTS game I play that uses either the mouse or the KB arrow to scroll the camera view. Too busy with the mouse doing other commands, and arrow keys don't work well as you have to let go of the mouse to use them. Joystick on my left would be a good solution.
Would it it let you assign them in the editor?
@@CaliJoshua I dragged each position off the hat switch, each showing the position of the switch. For each one I set it to hold, saving each one, they didn't work. Then I tried leaving it to pulse, still didn't work.
Hmm. I have never used the arrow keys so I don’t know if there is something with them. Did you accidentally make them a modified option?
what do i do when i open target and my joystick isnt there?
Try the tips in this video ruclips.net/video/hc5NQDaWEXY/видео.html
thx for your tutorial.
But how can I properly map the ministick to the mouse? I know how to make it that the ministick gives mouse inputs to left, right, up and down, but it doesn't behave like a mouse(stick). There is no acceleration the further I move the stick to the bounderies. Can some one help me, please?
I have not tried this, but if the ministick does not have an option to change the axis to a mouse input, then I am not sure there is a way in this software, but maybe in the script editor? ts.thrustmaster.com/download/accessories/pc/hotas/software/TARGET/TARGET_Script_Editor_Basics_v1.5_ENG.pdf
@@CaliJoshua uff, ok than I have to learn scripting :/
I will take a look but maybe 😱
@@CaliJoshua Would be awesome. I can't be the only one who wants this. Changing camera angle with the ministick would be so much better, than switching over to the mouse control. Just as one example for DCS.
Ah, problem was between my ears. You can directly map the axis in the first window via drop-down menu to the mouse axis 😁
Having massive problems I can see both devices but when I load a config I lose the tm.16000 completely won't work only has the throttle that works fine, I've tried all the USB bits in your other videos
Are you referring to this video? ruclips.net/video/hc5NQDaWEXY/видео.html
If so does it work in Windows USB Game Controllers before and after?
@@CaliJoshua yes that's the one, yeah I can see it there in controllers but once I start the software the joystick vanishes
It should combine them into a Thrustmaster Virtual Controller under USB Game Controllers and now windows sees it as one input.
Does it work in game?
@@CaliJoshua throttle works but not the joystick
Can you do a video for m2000c t1600m joystick settings? 😅😅
For DCS?
@@CaliJoshua yes
not working on win 11
TARGET Does not work on W 11?
@@CaliJoshua You cannot install target on win 11 because of the Core isolation feature.
For me its bad u talk in English but i dont find any German Video. thanks for the Vid.