How-To: Baptize Babies and Adults
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
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I have a question that troubles me
Are those people who are not properly baptized still received into the Church? I mean,I happened to see tue famous Ark of the World Baptism events in Greece where some children were afraid of being immersed into the Living Water and when immersed,fr Anthony took a handful of Water and splashed it on the heads of the children. Is the Sacrament still valid on this occasion, and are the children still received in the Orthodox Church?
You'll be happy to know that here in Dublin, Ireland, my priest Father Ioannis of the Greek Orthodox Church took me to be baptised properly at one of the Romanian Churches because they have an adult-sized font. The Church here is beginning to grow and welcome more native Irish like myself back to Orthodoxy, which we clung onto a few centuries longer than most did in western Europe.
Glory be to God! Glory be to God. May he give Fr. John strength to always do as the Holy Fathers have taught, for on this basis the mission there will grow and grow quickly.
@@OrthodoxEthos Thank you! I pray for the same. We have many old monastic sites and many empty Roman Catholic church buildings and I pray that God grants that in the near future they be overflowing with faithful Orthodox Christians with many faithful priests to minister His Holy mysteries to us. Yet not as I will but according to His will only.
@Evan Harte Good question I have heard varying opinions. I'd never been baptised before as I was raised baptist and lost faith before.
@Evan Harte The explanation for the economy is that although there are no sacraments outside of the Church, sometimes you don't need to repeat the external form of the schismatic sacrament (like pouring water), and so the chrismation will complete the lacking grace of the previous "baptism". But it's a big discurssion. There's no shortage of people in the Church, including clergy, who believe there are sacraments (at least baptism) outside of the Church. I think this will remain an open topic until the Holy Synods of each Church start addressing it properly with decrees and canons.
Our current parish building is 65 years old. When they built it they never considered adults coming into the faith. With our priest's blessing I went and bought a horse trough for an adult baptism tomorrow. Its decorated quite nicely but I'm working on getting the parish to consider a proper baptismal fount but it's a struggle for them to think it's a priority. Good thing is we have 6 inquirers who'll need to be baptized in the next year.
In my past parish they had a hand built fount in the shape of a cross.
Search out the old paths. Thank you for this Fr. Heers.
I’m very thankful my priest baptized all my babies in the traditional orthodox way. I’m astonished that there are priests that will not do that
Thank you for this, Father Peter. This is a big help for me, as most of my seminary education is currently online (I started seminary at the start of the Covid hysteria). Aside from the time I get learning the Liturgy and the services as an altar server at my parish, these videos are also a big help. May we have your blessings. 🙏
We live in a lacks society where nothing matters and it has often crept into the Church. The ancient manual for new Believers - the Didache gives specific instructions on how to properly Baptise.
As it worked out, according to GOD'S Will, I was immersed three times. I was immersed completely in a baptismal when I was twelve years old. Then I was immersed fully in a baptismal in South Korea, where I was stationed in 1997. Finally, when I returned from South Korea, I was reassigned to Fort Lewis (Tacoma), WA where I was actually born. There in 1999, I was immersed a final and third time in living water, the Puget Sound. After this I had complete confidence in my salvation and in my walk with CHRIST, for there I was reborn where I was originally born. And there was no way apart from the Will of GOD, that I would have ever thought to live there or go there, because it was far away from San Antonio, Texas. Most of my life had been spent in the Midwest (Kansas) and in Texas up to the time I enlisted in the Army.
People say that baptism is unnecessary for salvation and for communion with GOD, but an honest reading of the Bible indicates clearly that is. And when the word "βαπτίζω" is translated honestly as immerse and not merely transliterated as "baptize" then an honest man would conclude that he must be immersed and not merely be sprinkled or receive a pouring. But how many people are honest really? And here is the problem: men instinctively deviate from the WORD of GOD; this is their sinful nature. CHRIST commanded HIS disciples to immerse in THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, but nowhere does THE HOLY SCRIPTURE detail that HIS apostles and disciples immersed people three times to do this. If Matthew or other accounts of baptism such as in the Acts of the Apostles had spelled it out and had specifically enumerated the number of times the apostles immersed when they baptized, this would have been helpful to all of us today. But I am grateful to GOD that I was immersed fully three times so that not one Orthodox Catholic could claim that my baptism is invalid. Moreover, when I pray, I pray in THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT to recognize and to give proper reverence and worship to HIS TRINITY.
"And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19 in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before."
- The Didache, written either in the first or second century.
According to the first Christians, baptism not by immersion is valid
@orthodoxethos I have a pressing question, so lets say if your local priest says thats its okay to pray with the heterodox, and theyre still grafted in the Orthodox church the mysteries and sacraments are still valid, so my question is in such a situation would that same priest blessing your house, blessing your icons be okay by extension provided the priest hasn't gone into full blown skism or been anathematized?
Im going to get baptised soon 😭 I’m 25 years of age.
Where? God bless it and you!
@@OrthodoxEthos Saint Andrews Greek Orthodox Church, Kentish Town, London.
I am English but never been baptised. My family are all baptised Church of England. How would I choose a godparent in order to be baptised into the Orthodox Church?
You have to attend a local parish. Talk to the priest. Become a catechumen. And then over time, as you go deeper, God will reveal to you a godparent.
It may take 1 to 3 years to totally prepare yourself for baptism. Don’t rush. Learn well. Ground yourself. Purify yourself. Don’t enter the baptismal font Without being thoroughly purified of the old way of life.
My mother was baptized into the Greek Orthodox Church about 2 weeks ago, Father.
But she was, because of her illness ( cancer) and old age unable to bend down into the small pool. It was only 760mm high.
So our Priest pour the water over her.
Please tell me if this is still valid?
There is such a thing as clinical baptism. When someone is on essentially their deathbed, or physically simply can’t get up from the bed, and the church pours the water over them. This is for “economic“ reasons. And it’s blessed.
@@OrthodoxEthos Thank-you Father. That's good news.
I was baptised in the latter manner at a Serbian parish in the UK. Is it considered valid? Do I need to be baptised again?
Hello Joe. Very glad to see you here, and meeting with the true and genuine patristic adherence to God’s command towards the ecclesiastical service to His Holy Church.
Unfortunately, and most likely (99%) according to my relative knowledge and interaction with the Clergy of the SOC in both the homeland and abroad, neither the ruling Bishop nor the Priest has a Canonically valid Baptism with 3 full immersion’s, followed by 3 emmersion’s in the sanctified font. I have been religiously studying this holy mystery ( the entrance - and door way to all the other mysteries ) for almost 2 full decades. I’m still in disbelief at the atrocities committed to those seeking shelter and salvation in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, by indifferent and spiritually lazy Clergy.
Lately in the past 2-3 years many Roman Catholic Bishops have had the courage to make a stand against the innovation of the wording in their Baptism ( We Orthodox use the terminology of - the Servant of God is Baptized ) while the Westerners use the wording ( I baptize ). Innovative modernist Vatican II clergy have used the form - ( we baptize )… Western Papist bishops have deemed the latter totally INVALID, meaning if the Priest was baptized with this wording ( we baptize) he is not baptized, nor is ANY mystery which he performed VALID and every Baptism, Chrismation, Confession, Mass, wedding and funeral must be redone, while the Priest must be baptized.
When will we see, if ever a Bishop in the Eastern Orthodox Church ( Georgia, Russia-Ukraine, Bulgaria and Serbia ) ever make a true Orthodox stand against the blasphemy being committed ? Everything has been delivered and handed to us by our holy Church Father’s and the Church Canons speak clearly of what Baptism is, how it’s performed and the consequences of not performing it correctly on the part of the clergyman.
Joe, you have Bishop Ireneos of the Church Abroad ( ROCOR ) in your region, try and contact Him with your dilemma, you should be Baptized and Baptized correctly, by a Baptized Clergyman.
You can also contact the hooligan who used aspersion on you with previously “blessed “ water, and have Him SHOW you on whose authority he “performed “ a non canonical Baptism. Joe, read and study on your own. Likewise watch this channel for educational purposes, it’s a treasure trove of information in today’s desert of neglect.
Father, what' if we went baptized like the second way? Do I need to do it again? It wasn't like the orthodox church recognise the baptized of all people?
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Please, Father Peter my son was 5yrs old at his Orthodox baptism and he was not immersed ( he was put in a shower tray and the water was poured over him.) Is his baptism valid? Please direct a very concerned mother. God bless you, thank you for your videos. Sophia.
One corrective that has been suggested by an elder on Mt. Athos is simply that at the end of a baptism, the priest immerse those who have not been properly in baptized: three times in the water for that which was lacking is fulfilled. The entire mystery is not repeated. Only the error corrected. But it would have to be at the end of another baptism and the priest would have to agree to do this. Again that is a solution given by an Athonite Elder.
@@OrthodoxEthos Thank you so much for answering. I will pray. Christ is risen.🙏☦️🕊
Why do you baptize babies but wait years to baptize a catechumen?
Can you insist to your priest to fully immerse the baby completely into the baptismal font?
From a member of the OE Team: "insist" might not be the best word or best approach, if I understand the word here the way you do. You might insist on holding your conviction to follow the Holy Fathers, but insisting with the priests, i.e. pestering and asking again and again after he answers is not profitable.
Asking your priest, with patience and humility, to fully immerse is appropriate. If you ask him with love and humility he will be more receptive to your request. If he refuses to full immerse the baby, ask him why he won't do it. Go one step at a time and don't assume too much of what he is thinking. There may be many factors involved if you don't get the answer you expect. If in the end he refuses to immerse the baby, and will only sprinkle or pour, he is not following the patristic method of baptism. From there you can decide what you need to do. Please write us at team@orthodoxethos.com if you have further questions.