i've never related to you more than when you said this -> "try as I may, i am just constitutionally incapable of being motivated by money." biggest high five incoming 🖐
I am not a market grower or a farmer. I barely garden. But I watch your videos Jesse to educate myself ecologically and on what it takes for the folks at the farmer markets to grow and provide food the food I buy. I'm getting a good idea of what it takes from not only a business perspective but also the personal cost to be a market grower. So to all of you out there doing the hard work of providing food...thanks! Keep up the great work!
100 percent agreed with organic certification. Why struggle and stress with all the inspections and additional bookkeeping and costs when you are already going above and beyond their requirements? ❤
This time you have with your children is a one time chance, its not a practice run. Make the most of it. I never regretted forfeiting income opportunities to coach my kids. Those memories are priceless.
Beautiful to hear another man who makes his choices in life based on family. I too am motivated by my girls, and make sacrifices based on that priority list.
What a delightful shout-out! You’ll be thrilled to hear that the kids outperformed the elves in finals by one point-it was our creative use of props that and accordion feature that really bumped that score up. The elves were impressed and have offered summer internships for the kids at their workshop in exchange for music lessons, so it should be a great partnership moving forward! Anyway, thank you for prioritizing your family’s time. Time is the greatest gift. Thanks again. -Andrea the Band Teacher
Good on you dropping USDA organic. My falling out was when they allowed conventional bred, born & raised 20+ month old replacement dairy heifers into "organic" herds with just a couple months of "transition". "Organic" mega dairies absolutely LOVED that provision. Can you say, "political contributions"?
i would argue that it was WHEN the Government got involved, but it was not the Gov that ruined it. it was the Big Ag influence and lobbying intent on Co-opting every agricultural innovation and undercutting its value that ruined Organic. (but I am NOT and certified organic grower) but we see them doing this with Regenerative Ag now.
It’s a tough business! Made more complicated by The government hijacking the word organic … another predictable overreach doomed to fail its intended purpose 🤷♂️. Hopefully making videos stays in your schedule. Very few people can be entertaining and educate at the same time.
I remember reading the list of accepted organic inputs when the certification process first started like maybe 1980 or something. They listed things like arsenic, lead, copper and others. Yes, they're truly organic but I sure wouldn't want them on my lettuce. So, I grew a bigger garden in my backyard and have never regretted it.
I garden for my family and in order to raise enough for our needs I over plant veggies and my cousins gets the extra or neighbors if extras but I don't enjoy anything being wasted Thanks Jesse
Always wondered about the hoops. I’m not a guy who jumps through hoops and you give the impression that you are a savvy businessman so I say BRAVO. Continuing your handling regimen but eliminating non value activities is what I would expect you to do
I hear you on the organic certification. There are some that grow organically but are not certified and others that are certified but not always in compliance with the certification. If there isn’t a big enough benefit to be certified organic that it might not be worth the hassle. I appreciate your daily videos.
Been working a market every Saturday. The 3:15am wake up has been messing with my weekly winter wake up schedule at 7am during the week. The trades with other vendors at market prove to be worth the trouble, meaning four hour sleep cycles. I am single and my child is an adult, so the consequences aren’t that bad. I do miss selling directly to restaurants who will buy me out. Plus the picky customers, sigh.😅.
3:50 Surely you've seen "The Real Organic Project" here on RUclips? I've been meaning to make a post about it on the forums. While you may not be making a grand stand against the governments version of organic the farmers on that channel sure are. They've featured Eliot Coleman once or twice FYI.
No worries! . I as a consumer, very much believe in people purchasing veg/meat products from those that can scrutinize vs ANY other cert/labeling person, org that likely does not discrimate to one's standards.
No clue about our market. Im just getting started for produce. We have been selling Walnuts for 22 years and that has done reasonably well. We have not used pesticides or herbicides on our property for 25 years yet we can’t get certified because of drift. We live in a heavy orchard area around us and the spray from fogging and from arial spraying drifts and because of that we can’t certify but we do continue to use organic practices to grow our produce and Walnuts. Im going to try my hand at the farmers market and also where they can just come by my stand on my property to get produce. We are close enough to where the local communities would be able to easily come out and pick up produce. We will have daily lists of items they can check prior to coming out. Not sure if I’ll do the actual pick it yourself route. Maybe if the liability insurance protects the homestead. I am not a huge fan of the organic certification due to similar reasons you mentioned. They really did ruin it.
We have several hundred banana plants, there's a highly active fungus in our area that attacks banana plants, we need to use a fungicide to control it. As a result, our "organic" greenhouse, which is 300 yards away, nothing grown in it can be certified organic, even if everything grown in it is organic. This is because the whole farm needs to be organic to qualify as per the rules, not just the individual products. So, if we stopped spraying the bananas, we could potentially be certified organic. Interestingly, the greenhouse is only 20 yards from the fence line and the neighbor's field, where they spray pesticides and herbicides. It's ironic that a barbed wire cattle fence supposedly prevents any of that from affecting us or the certification. According to the rules, a non-organic spray 300 yards away is bad, but an unorganic spray just 20 yards away isn't considered important. It seems the people who make these rules aren't truly concerned about organic farming; it's more about following the words and rules someone made up. For us it's not important as we are rural and nobody cares about organic labeling, practically nobody around us sells anything labeled organic. Maybe in the cities where that term has a strong marketing value, but not here.
I do drops for food and delivery routes exactly for the reasons you mentioned. I just cannot convince myself to sit at a market to sell every week. I am working on my marketing plan and I want to do it only 1 time a month to try to increase customers but I refuse to sit there every Saturday.
i used to be soil association organic UK. You also get organic farmers and growers or SKAL organic for greenhouse growers. with a few seasonal crops a year like in agronomy, soil association is ok as the paper work is not so heavy but with 50 different crops and many different sowings a season the paperwork is very time consuming for a one man band. Also the term organic is so wishy washy that it does not mean anything concrete. In the main the public also does not know the differences Like SKAL organic versus in the ground organic. and even when it is organic it is treated with apeel etc. just label your stuff pesticide free. Unless like in France you get more subsidies for being BIO.
If I was to run a farm, I would have a membership PYO where clients would pay a membership fee in January and when produce is ready they would come and pick produce in bulk for less then they would pay in stores. Only clients who are interested in putting food into storage for later would be my customers. There’s no way I would pick, wash, sort, transport all of that produce.
I tell my customers that I do my best to grow good produce sustainably and they seem to be satisfied without organic certification. I have made use of manure that is mainly organic, produce grocery stores throw out and coffee grounds from coffee shops and I will tell them that is why I couldn't get certification if they are interested.
Yeah I made 6000 yards one year and the inspector flipped a lid that I added grocery store throw outs and the coffee grounds and even PGE brush from fire clean up crews. Had to get certification for sawdust and manure, straw and even the oak leaves that fell on my certified ground. Insanity. I hear that CCOF is defending quietly a fraud suit for the misuse of funds. To allow hydroponics is totally insane they use no soil and 100% chemical additives and they call that organic. All these gov agencies have deep veins of corruption. Also heard CCOF is taking over 100% the role of the USDA for business like inspections they are also 100% woke. You get best results with a lobbyist making large contributions. What was intended for good has fallen for the love of money and power.
Just got land to permaculture an organic fruit nut and livestock homestead. I was thinking of only having salt ( for meats) and chlorine to sterilize equpiment with an open invite for anyone to come out andmake their OWN inspection. More verifiable in my own mind anyway...Your thoughts? Love your show
listen to harry chapin cats in the cradle they are not kids for long and they will be gone sooner than you want spend every waking moment with them its the memories you make now that will form the type of humans they will be later Most respect for putting family first there will always be time for making money later
If you were more capable of being motivated by money, i probably wouldn’t be as interested in your channel! Part of your draw is that you appear to strike a great balance between relationships and productivity.
So you could have kept the Organic title for less than $100 and only 2-3 hours with a inspector? Seems like a no brainer to keep it if it’s that simple but then again if you are planning to use chemicals then of course getting rid of the title makes sense. For me chemicals are a no no and I only buy Organic no matter what.
I disagree. Money as a motivation (aka “greed”) is not a human instinct, but rather a culture. It seems to me that prioritizing family, relationships, and personal well being over accumulation of wealth is indeed intelligent. If you support faster/easier more profit greed culture, then that is contradictory with organic method culture. Money may be a reality, but greed doesn’t have to be.
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i've never related to you more than when you said this -> "try as I may, i am just constitutionally incapable of being motivated by money." biggest high five incoming 🖐
I feel like this is any of us that choose farming and feeding our communities for a living lol. It's definitely not for the money.
I am not a market grower or a farmer. I barely garden. But I watch your videos Jesse to educate myself ecologically and on what it takes for the folks at the farmer markets to grow and provide food the food I buy. I'm getting a good idea of what it takes from not only a business perspective but also the personal cost to be a market grower. So to all of you out there doing the hard work of providing food...thanks! Keep up the great work!
Thanks. I don't grow for a farmers market. I don't even sell my produce. I give most of it away to families that I know and really appreciate it
100 percent agreed with organic certification. Why struggle and stress with all the inspections and additional bookkeeping and costs when you are already going above and beyond their requirements? ❤
This time you have with your children is a one time chance, its not a practice run. Make the most of it. I never regretted forfeiting income opportunities to coach my kids. Those memories are priceless.
I love ALL No-Till Growers videos!
Beautiful to hear another man who makes his choices in life based on family. I too am motivated by my girls, and make sacrifices based on that priority list.
What a delightful shout-out! You’ll be thrilled to hear that the kids outperformed the elves in finals by one point-it was our creative use of props that and accordion feature that really bumped that score up. The elves were impressed and have offered summer internships for the kids at their workshop in exchange for music lessons, so it should be a great partnership moving forward! Anyway, thank you for prioritizing your family’s time. Time is the greatest gift. Thanks again. -Andrea the Band Teacher
Good on you dropping USDA organic.
My falling out was when they allowed conventional bred, born & raised 20+ month old replacement dairy heifers into "organic" herds with just a couple months of "transition".
"Organic" mega dairies absolutely LOVED that provision. Can you say, "political contributions"?
"......work equals Lego's" Wisdom! It also "equals" other things too (as needed....) Thanks J!
I agree with you on certified organic label. It went to crap when govt got involved.
i would argue that it was WHEN the Government got involved, but it was not the Gov that ruined it. it was the Big Ag influence and lobbying intent on Co-opting every agricultural innovation and undercutting its value that ruined Organic. (but I am NOT and certified organic grower) but we see them doing this with Regenerative Ag now.
It’s a tough business! Made more complicated by The government hijacking the word organic … another predictable overreach doomed to fail its intended purpose 🤷♂️. Hopefully making videos stays in your schedule. Very few people can be entertaining and educate at the same time.
One of the best videos for me, appreciate the honnesty!
Happy hump day! 🐫☀️
I remember reading the list of accepted organic inputs when the certification process first started like maybe 1980 or something. They listed things like arsenic, lead, copper and others. Yes, they're truly organic but I sure wouldn't want them on my lettuce. So, I grew a bigger garden in my backyard and have never regretted it.
Elves do work very hard! Ha! *I own an elf ear making company called Aradani Studios and watch your show most days while I paint ears.🤣
Natural ecology should be our 'Holy Grail'
"Work equals legos." ❤
I garden for my family and in order to raise enough for our needs I over plant veggies and my cousins gets the extra or neighbors if extras but I don't enjoy anything being wasted
Thanks Jesse
PS FAM FIRST! (raised four sons)
Always wondered about the hoops. I’m not a guy who jumps through hoops and you give the impression that you are a savvy businessman so I say BRAVO. Continuing your handling regimen but eliminating non value activities is what I would expect you to do
My Dad always said family first God Bless you and your family
I hear you on the organic certification. There are some that grow organically but are not certified and others that are certified but not always in compliance with the certification. If there isn’t a big enough benefit to be certified organic that it might not be worth the hassle.
I appreciate your daily videos.
I trust my local farmers when they say they grow organically. And don’t have the USDA
Been working a market every Saturday. The 3:15am wake up has been messing with my weekly winter wake up schedule at 7am during the week. The trades with other vendors at market prove to be worth the trouble, meaning four hour sleep cycles. I am single and my child is an adult, so the consequences aren’t that bad. I do miss selling directly to restaurants who will buy me out. Plus the picky customers, sigh.😅.
3:50 Surely you've seen "The Real Organic Project" here on RUclips? I've been meaning to make a post about it on the forums. While you may not be making a grand stand against the governments version of organic the farmers on that channel sure are. They've featured Eliot Coleman once or twice FYI.
No worries! .
I as a consumer, very much believe in people purchasing veg/meat products from those that can scrutinize vs ANY other cert/labeling person, org that likely does not discrimate to one's standards.
No clue about our market. Im just getting started for produce. We have been selling Walnuts for 22 years and that has done reasonably well. We have not used pesticides or herbicides on our property for 25 years yet we can’t get certified because of drift. We live in a heavy orchard area around us and the spray from fogging and from arial spraying drifts and because of that we can’t certify but we do continue to use organic practices to grow our produce and Walnuts. Im going to try my hand at the farmers market and also where they can just come by my stand on my property to get produce. We are close enough to where the local communities would be able to easily come out and pick up produce. We will have daily lists of items they can check prior to coming out. Not sure if I’ll do the actual pick it yourself route. Maybe if the liability insurance protects the homestead. I am not a huge fan of the organic certification due to similar reasons you mentioned. They really did ruin it.
I know u didnt ask for this but i admire your views
We have several hundred banana plants, there's a highly active fungus in our area that attacks banana plants, we need to use a fungicide to control it. As a result, our "organic" greenhouse, which is 300 yards away, nothing grown in it can be certified organic, even if everything grown in it is organic. This is because the whole farm needs to be organic to qualify as per the rules, not just the individual products.
So, if we stopped spraying the bananas, we could potentially be certified organic. Interestingly, the greenhouse is only 20 yards from the fence line and the neighbor's field, where they spray pesticides and herbicides. It's ironic that a barbed wire cattle fence supposedly prevents any of that from affecting us or the certification. According to the rules, a non-organic spray 300 yards away is bad, but an unorganic spray just 20 yards away isn't considered important. It seems the people who make these rules aren't truly concerned about organic farming; it's more about following the words and rules someone made up.
For us it's not important as we are rural and nobody cares about organic labeling, practically nobody around us sells anything labeled organic. Maybe in the cities where that term has a strong marketing value, but not here.
I do drops for food and delivery routes exactly for the reasons you mentioned. I just cannot convince myself to sit at a market to sell every week. I am working on my marketing plan and I want to do it only 1 time a month to try to increase customers but I refuse to sit there every Saturday.
i used to be soil association organic UK. You also get organic farmers and growers or SKAL organic for greenhouse growers. with a few seasonal crops a year like in agronomy, soil association is ok as the paper work is not so heavy but with 50 different crops and many different sowings a season the paperwork is very time consuming for a one man band. Also the term organic is so wishy washy that it does not mean anything concrete. In the main the public also does not know the differences Like SKAL organic versus in the ground organic. and even when it is organic it is treated with apeel etc. just label your stuff pesticide free. Unless like in France you get more subsidies for being BIO.
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I agree that ORGANIC has been tainted. If i ever get certified it will be CNG and have tha assistance of other FARMERS .
If I was to run a farm, I would have a membership PYO where clients would pay a membership fee in January and when produce is ready they would come and pick produce in bulk for less then they would pay in stores. Only clients who are interested in putting food into storage for later would be my customers. There’s no way I would pick, wash, sort, transport all of that produce.
I tell my customers that I do my best to grow good produce sustainably and they seem to be satisfied without organic certification. I have made use of manure that is mainly organic, produce grocery stores throw out and coffee grounds from coffee shops and I will tell them that is why I couldn't get certification if they are interested.
Yeah I made 6000 yards one year and the inspector flipped a lid that I added grocery store throw outs and the coffee grounds and even PGE brush from fire clean up crews. Had to get certification for sawdust and manure, straw and even the oak leaves that fell on my certified ground. Insanity. I hear that CCOF is defending quietly a fraud suit for the misuse of funds. To allow hydroponics is totally insane they use no soil and 100% chemical additives and they call that organic. All these gov agencies have deep veins of corruption. Also heard CCOF is taking over 100% the role of the USDA for business like inspections they are also 100% woke. You get best results with a lobbyist making large contributions. What was intended for good has fallen for the love of money and power.
Just got land to permaculture an organic fruit nut and livestock homestead. I was thinking of only having salt ( for meats) and chlorine to sterilize equpiment with an open invite for anyone to come out andmake their OWN inspection. More verifiable in my own mind anyway...Your thoughts?
Love your show
listen to harry chapin cats in the cradle
they are not kids for long and they will be gone sooner than you want
spend every waking moment with them
its the memories you make now that will form the type of humans they will be later
Most respect for putting family first
there will always be time for making money later
Bio-friendly soaps and detergents: biodegradable..? Alcohol will quickly transform to acetic acid, aka vinegar.
Am I wrong that Hydroponics isn't organic but aquaponics is? One is fed by fish pooping and the other is normally salt based and inorganic.
Thank the Corrupt USDA for corrupting the Certificatied Organic label
hey, are you quitting the farmers market to make a statement? 😁
If you were more capable of being motivated by money, i probably wouldn’t be as interested in your channel! Part of your draw is that you appear to strike a great balance between relationships and productivity.
So you could have kept the Organic title for less than $100 and only 2-3 hours with a inspector? Seems like a no brainer to keep it if it’s that simple but then again if you are planning to use chemicals then of course getting rid of the title makes sense. For me chemicals are a no no and I only buy Organic no matter what.
disappointed. organic needs a real voice, and acting like money isn't a motivation is just an insult to human intelligence.
If you think this channel isn't a full throated support for organics, then you're a silly Billy ding dong
I disagree. Money as a motivation (aka “greed”) is not a human instinct, but rather a culture. It seems to me that prioritizing family, relationships, and personal well being over accumulation of wealth is indeed intelligent. If you support faster/easier more profit greed culture, then that is contradictory with organic method culture. Money may be a reality, but greed doesn’t have to be.