WIDE LOAD - Train Caught by Detector on the Port Road!
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- The unexpected happened when I chased a train down Norfolk Southern's Port Road Branch, which until recently rarely saw trains during the day. A defect detector announced a "wide load" on a car so the train stops to let the conductor off to do a roll-by inspection. What they found may have been less than amusing, but it was the first time I saw one of these in action up close.
I continue to chase the train to the Amtrak Northeast Corridor, which is dominated by dozens of high speed passenger trains, so seeing a long freight train under the wires was certainly a treat!
Very nice. It’s rare to see a high wide car detected. Very nice shot on a curve on the NEC. At least 36A had the window still open.
Thanks for sharing your time , gas and knowledge on your videos, always enjoy watching! Also tell the new wife thanks for letting you still do this 👍🏻
Great video with fantastic narration. A distant signal in the making. I love your analogy between fishing and railfanning. I just go along and see what happens.
Fer shure!! The next Danny Harmon!!
Wow those detectors are the reel deal. 🤭
Excellent adventure and catches.. I railfanning the Port Road Branch last summer and still have yet to post anything on it. Didn't catch any moving trains unfortunately but I did manage to nab some standing equipment, particularly in Columbia, PA.. In fact, I was at the very spot you filmed at (M.P. 4.4)
Foamers of the world unite. Great video. I have been a foamer since I was 5 and my Dad worked for the Railroad. I have fond memories.
A really great Video, looking for ward to more. The Out of Gauge Car certainly added some Spice to your Day Railfanning.
Outstanding video. Videography, editing, narration, and subject matter. I have vivid memories of the Port Road. In the early and mid ‘70s, while a student at F&M in Lancaster, I would bike down by the Susquehanna. I typically rode PA 441 from Middletown to Pequea and Safe Harbor. The scenery was so dramatic, with PC, and later, Conrail freights traversing the Port Road and the old Low Grade Line above. Catenary was energized, and freights pulled by GG1s, E44s and E33s, were frequent. The hills leading out of the valley were challenging, especially Turkey Hill. The top of Chickies Rock in Columbia was another great spot from where I could look down on the tracks. Thank you for posting this fine video!
Great Video..! the "Lean" on the roadbed is called "Super" on a highway -- probably the same with ties and iron rails on top of the roadbed...! One of you quicker fans got the "reel", your editing on the descriptions of the Hose ? Thing ? is very droll -- and entertaining when obvious words escape our tongues...!
"Super" as in "Super-elevation." One rail is elevated higher so it becomes super-elevated giving you super-elevation to describe the topography of the track.
Really nice video. Loved watching that lean on the curve on the NEC
As a former conductor when you get hit the first thing you do is “shit 🙄” then get up your things ready for a hike
Yeah I bet, I used to work long hours in the hot/cold during my construction days and always thought about those folks on the ground doing all the walking. Thanks for keeping America moving!
Dang, id be pissed here XD
The fking mechanic/handyman left some plastic reel on the side of the car
An you get to hike almost a mile back to the cab
@@donovanulrich348 Not allowed a push bike to make that trip much shorter?
Am a truck driver we fill your pain lol
@@mrdrummer2564 nowhere to put one, and good luck riding it along the ballast on the side of the track. Nope. We have to walk, but it is good for us :)
Great video. This one was truly unusual and you were lucky to be on the correct side to see the problem. Understand about the 35MPH that the freight do. I was on a train to Orlando several years ago and we had an unruly passenger that had to be evicted by the police in Washington DC which delayed us enough to be stuck behind a freight. 35 all the way through VA. Loads of fun. Another delay was the fact that storms had knocked the automatic defect detectors out of commission so we had to stop several times for the conductor to manually inspect the cars every 100 miles.
Nice video, very informative. I learn a lot from watching them.
Cool video....I saw that "banked curve" there and it made me wonder if those cars ever flipped over on that.
Probably not on the Northeast Corridor, definitely has happened on Horeshoe Curve though (such accidents are called 'stringline' derailments).
Great video, thanks for sharing. Lots of interesting tidbits in there. Looks like you got lucky which side of the train you're filming during the inspection!
Speaking of which though, sure would've been nice to have gotten a shot at the end of the car after the reel had been relocated to fix the car width problem. Granted, that's an "icing on the cake" thing, but maybe something to keep in mind if you get another event like that one. :)
The conductor did't seem to know what a hose reel is. Scary....
Probably tired, these guys work some long days and nights.
That dispatcher is pretty cool actually. Always gives us the time we need to work if he can.
I'm shocked at the low count of views on your video and lack of comments, I shared your video on FB there's a good number of grand parents on my page that have lot's of grand kids, hopefully they will see it and pass it along and my page is set to public anyway.
You don't see the fault detector catch a problem very often. Nice catch.
Why? Is it because it's a poor device, or, hopefully, because there are few problems to be detected?
I call it "THE AIR HOSE REEL"!
One of the best rail videos I’ve seen both in video quality and audio quality. Extremely informative in all aspects.
Great video. Always very interesting and different to see freight on the NEC.
Excellent quality in every respect! Great explanation for those of us who don't know much. Good work!
Cool post, neat to hear the conversation on the radio.
I worked at an intermodal yard. In two years, we only had one car that set off the high dector. Even though we shoveled and swept the wells, snow had accumulated enough before the containers were loaded, so the container was up around 2”. The railroad inspector told us when the containers are loaded properly, they clear a couple of bridges by 2”. It explained why our double stacks had no snow on the top, but single stacks and trailers did.
Now that is interesting.
Wow. Only 2" clearance? That's crazy, but it's a train car. Shouldn't be anything on top of it to worry about.
I wonder, do things have to run real differently in area that get heavy snowfall day after day? Like Canada?
@@laurasalo6160 A couple things which first come to mind on a Sunday morning have more to do with the temperatures involved with snowfall than with the actual snow itself. Cold air temperatures can increase leakage from the trainline for the airbrakes. Cold axle bearings can increase the force needed to start a standing train. Also, some of the coal and ore-carrying railroads had/have to heat the frozen ore cars before they could be unloaded. As for the snow itself, snow in the air can reduce distance at which lineside signals can be seen. For exactly how running the railroad operationally would be impacted, someone else is going to have to have that knowledge, I don't.
nice old stone bridges. So used to seeing trestle bridges on US rails.
That's the first time I've heard a detector to give off the car initials and number. Usually its just axle and rail.
Same here. The cars do have RFID tags on them (grey rectangular pod, usually bolted somewhere around the car frame) so the technology is there. Surprised more detectors don't use it.
@@beeble2003 it's a matter of cost to upgrade the detectors to include AEI readers and interfaces.
@@JugSouthgate Of course. Just slightly surprised that it hasn't happened more by now, since AEI has been around for a while.
Civilian: has to maintain and upgrade or buy new vehicals
Fortune 500 Business owner: but i already spent some money this year making more money
@@beeble2003 Was wondering how exactly that worked ie whether it was some kind of electronic tag like RFID or a machine readable pattern (Bar/QR code etc) or what.
Your videos are so informative and articulate. I really appreciate and enjoy them! Keep up the great work!
Know all of those spots well! Can't wait to see the full Port Road video!
Oh I know you do! I love your Port Road videos. I wish it wasn't so much effort to get all these shots, but you know how it is! Thanks for watching.
The "lean" is called Super Elevation. It is also used on roadways, like turnpikes to allow the traffic to maintain the higher speed without centrifugal force causing a roll over.
Rather sad that the catenary is no longer in use. You would think in an era where we’re concerned about the environment there would be more of an effort to electrify the railroads again.
Excellent video and narration.
Who else is sick of all the damned "HERO WARS" ads?
It’s called a spool.
Or "reel". It may depend on the part of the country what it's called.
Very interesting situation and a great video. Nicely produced. Great job.
I noticed several cars have flat spots in their wheels which will create problems later down the road if not caught and repaired. As for that reel hung on the outside of that autorack, a detector should have caught that long before it was at this time.
More than that, why was the defective car with the emergency air hose removed from the train at Enola? It came into the yard with the air hose hanging there from some place upwind from Enola, and was likely reported by the crew of the incoming train, as having caused a delay earlier, but no action was taken to remove the defective car at what is THE major yard on the route.
Very interesting video with the unusual stop to check the wide load notification Thanks for sharing this behind the scenes railroading video.
All these decades being in to trains and I didn't know that bypass hoses existed.
Good job on the video although I never did see the offending car after the reel had been moved and the train got moving again.
I don't think we had "runaround hoses" back in the day when I worked for NYC-PC but I could immediately understand why they would be a handy thing to have. Are they carried on road locomotives or are they only available in yards where MoE facilities are found?
"Uhhh, you know, that doohickey, uh, thingamabob, you know, that whatchamacallit that they roll the hose up on. That dingus...you know."
Bill Dance would have had no trouble with it.
Duh! It's called a reel
Ah Yes... I remember riding the PRR behind the GG1s.!
Very nicely done video!
I would love to see a high speed Amtrak coming around the banked corner at the end of the video. That was super cool. Also a question for anyone on here. In Calgary, Ab we are CP mainline west to Vancouver. When commodity trains (mainly grain and potash) go west loaded they have 2 loco's out front and one in the middle. When they come east empty, one at the front and one at the back. Why do they change the configuration? Why not leave one front and one middle? Thanks and I love the video's, so scenic and the bridge shots are interesting.
Empty cars are much more prone to stringlining in lengthy trains. By pushing half the train’s length that risk is greatly reduced. This may be their reasoning.
@@maybesomeday2596 Cool, thanks Chris. That makes good sense. Especially since the eastbound trains from Van are mostly uphill to Calgary (3,400 ft) and do go up a few big hills, especially from Field, BC to the great divide, through the spiral tunnels, 18.5 km at a 2.2% grade.
that was a pretty cool video. detectors are so much more no a days the the original hot box wheel counters.
I thought for sure you were going to give the conductor a ride, the walk probably did him some good .
Might not be any road access to the place where the locomotive ended up.
I wonder if it is against the rules for the conductor to let it out of his sight too, even just for a few minutes?
@@laurasalo6160 I've seen other videos on RUclips where the person making the video gave the train's conductor a ride back to the front of the train. I doubt it's against rules -- most of the train is out of sight to the train crew for most of their shift.
@@beeble2003 I don't know much about trains so lol take your word for it. Thanks!
Ty really enjoyed video from Kevin Kwiatkowski from Nh near Concord
🔰 Man, I love those old GG-1’s…so cool 😎
The NFS main line runs parallel to the CSX mainline here in Lewis Center Ohio, if you ever want to do a video here you won't be disappointed the line is very busy.
Interesting catch!.....OK, I'm hooked, and subscribed!!!!!
Great footage along the river and nec. Port is my home territory. I used to watch the freight rush at perryville anytime I was on a night shift.
Kept thinking of the word for the “circular “ thing and it finally came to me - it’s the spool! Lol.
Or "reel", as the engineer remembers, the second time he tries to explain it to the dispatcher.
Interesting find.
So Beautiful Train
nice video
Love the scanner feed, great job with the video.
Very Nice video and a Great 👍 Catch of the Detector for Wide Loads. Very Interesting. Thanks!👍
Did they install over width detectors after Stobe was killed.
Why didn't you show the "runaround" car after it was taken care of?
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man gotta give the conductor a ride up!
Thanks for the lesson
SPOOL! The word they are looking for is SPOOL!!!!!
Ha, yeah! We call them hose reels where I come from but I guess spool would work too.
Thingy!
New Castle checking in woop woop
What a great video from U.K. viewer
Great video 🚄🚄👍
Quick question CPRP, next time you're out doing videos and pics could you send me a pic to add to my railroad room I'm creating in our new home? I'm a disabled Delawarian and don't get out much due to my hereditary nerve disease and railroads are my passion. If so could you write where you took the pic etc and autograph it? I'll frame it and hang it up with the others in the railroad room. TIA
I found myself having to look up a few things and thought Id share with those embarrassed to ask or too lazy to look up.
"Catenary" pole :
A catenary is a system of overhead wires used to supply electricity to a locomotive, tram (streetcar), or light rail vehicle that is equipped with a pantograph.
"Pantographs" are a special devices mounted on electric trains to collect current from one or several contact wires. They consist of a pantograph head, frame, base, and drive system, and their geometrical shape is variable.
Yup the name actually comes from the curved shape a wire hanging freely between two poles takes on, called a catenary in mathematics. That name itself being derived from the latin word for chain (catenaria) since wires, ropes, chains, etc anything supported by tension at the ends like that all behave the same when suspended this way. No doubt because the catenary equation governs the engineering of such infrastructure so makes sense that the engineers named their solution after the tool they used to devise it I guess.
As a teenager would say "The Thingy!"
Nice, thanks!
Thanks for this. It's amazing that something the size of a train can be scanned (in motion!) to detect a problem only a few inches wide. I wonder how many accidents have been prevented by these measures.
Do you have any video of those high-speed trains going through that area?
Excellent work, my friend. The videography is great, the narration writing is excellent. All the best from Pittsburgh.
I enjoyed your video of train on the NEC. Do not see many. Look forward to upcoming ones.
Yeah it's such a neat place to see freight! Thanks for watching!
Nicely filmed. Noting discussion re defect detector commences approx 3:15
Great video. Thank you.
Do you have any links or know where i could check a schedule for the night time NEC freight trains? Im located near the Norwood train station in between Wilmington and Philadelphia
_Pronounced Pequea correctly._
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Keep these videos coming! The commentary and audio are top quality. Thanks for all your hard work!
Another fantastic vid, Eric
Interesting that the scanner identified the actual car and axle.
That was a great catch
Perryville is a real bottleneck for NS because the wye tracks which connect the Port Road to the NEC are very sharp curves and so the speed is limited to 10 mph. So a train 2 miles long can easily take 15-20 minutes to get through the Interlocking - even more if accelerating from being stopped at the home signal.
What a beautiful shot at 10:07 !!!!!!!!! Omg
i didn't know that detector also scans for a ID's onto those Car's only when they had a defect its a lot different for the U.P. and BNSF Detectors.....
First time I've heard one give the car ID, too. The cars mostly have RFID chips on them (grey rectangular pod with chamfered edges; usually somewhere on the underframe or low on the car body) so, now that I've seen it once, I'm surprised they don't all give the car ID.
I live in that area. When hurricanes go through the Conowingo locks are all opened and the river turns fierce. I find it interesting that electric was removed for diesel 40 yrs ago, you can be sure they will be going right back to electric before the next 40 yrs go by.
awesome video!!
That was very interesting. I was impressed the detector could determine the reel was there. Very sensitive
I don't envy the conductors walk back to the head end. I grew up near that area and when I'd railfan the Pennsy back then it was normal to run into several copperheads and rattlesnakes.
I was impressed that the defect detector was able to identify the car number!
@@Shit_I_Missed. The scanners are insane. They see everything
That lean on the curve is called super elevation.
That's awesome. I was just in PA 4 weeks ago. Trying to find some action on the Harrisburg line and Pittsburgh line. It was so worth it that I'll do it again.
Nice video!!
NS Detector MP: 10.0
Defects: 1
Wide Load - S. Rail - Axle 289
Car ID: TOAX 880042
It’s crazy how long trains are nowadays. It can be a five mile round trip to walk the train! Thanks for a well done video.
I recall 120 car trains 45 years ago.
It is in part why the major Pennsylvania Railroad corridors (Main Line between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and NEC between NYC and DC) had four tracks with freight movement located on the inner tracks: the faster passenger trains can overtake the slower freight movement (also why the PRR built flying junctions such as ZOO, BELL, PARKE, THORN, etc., to facilitate freight movement onto freight-only branches without impacting passenger movements).
And yes, I have seen NS/CSX/CSAO movements on the NEC in the Philadelphia area and it is done during the overnight after SEPTA Regional Rail finishes their daily runs, allowing Amtrak to put their trains in the outer tracks used by SEPTA during the day (thus mimicking the old PRR/Penn Central traffic pattern).
Great trip, photography, titles, and of course narration. Are you using a script?
Port Deposit......watched Hurricane Agnes from the Silver Cross apartments in 72.
Good times.
Bonus question: Anybody know which serial killer lived in the trailer park up Tome Hwy?
Great and interesting video. I had no idea they left freight on the Northeast corridor I always assume the freight railroads had their own line next to the right away
There are places where the freight railroads do not have an alternate route and have to use the Northeast Corridor. The NEC is the only route from Perryville to Edgemoor Delaware or Bayview, Maryland, so NS uses it. But Amtrak's trains have precedence, which is why most freight to and from the Port Road runs on the NEC at night.
There are also industries and branch lines accessible only from the NEC.
@@JugSouthgate I think when Conrail was split between CSX and NS, NS wound up with most of the previous PRR assets which included Conrail's freight rights on the NEC.
@@clarkpj1 Pretty much. Which is quite ironic - here's why: Before the disastrous Penn Central merger of 1968, there was an attempt to merge the N&W with the PRR. But it never came to be. This was a shame because the N&W and PRR were MUCH more alike than the NYC and PRR. N&W eventually merged with the Southern to form NS - and then, 30+ years later, NS gets most of what used to be PRR.
Great video thanks for sharing and I heard in the one clip a general signals type three ebell I find this video interesting I always film train videos when I can
Surprised it took so many attempts to "describe" the hose carrier. It's not like it was an alien from planet X. Just saying. COoL vid. Thank you.
A successful fishing day. You just have used good bait.
ChainsawN&W1218, great 👍 video, enjoyed seeing the manifest run under the wires 👍 🚂.
My dad and much older brother did nothing for two weeks each summer but chase trains in northwestern Wisconsin and northeastern Minnesota. My dad (retired) came from Florida and brother and family came from Nevada, and we never could understand what the deal was. When my dad went back to Florida, he had copies of all of the videos on cassettes and watched them all year til they fell apart. After my dad died, my brother never went again, which is weird since he was even building and selling model DM&IR engines with authentic paint (FYI, that’s the Duluth, Mesabe, and Iron Range railroad).
Full chuff ahead