Is there a Social Hierarchy when Driving?
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- Is there a social hierarchy when driving? If so, where do you think you fit into it?
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Nothing causes equality in this social hierarchy like a police car driving the speed limit on the motorway.
Even then they don't pull you over unless you do 80+ I've overtaken a police officer doing 75 on the M40 they didn't pull me over they just don't have the time for such minor offences
@@wumpty93 Are you a pretty female?
@@347lbs Why ask that? You a troll wasting your time on a RUclips comment section 😂🤣😂🤣
@@wumpty93 I am just suggesting that there may be a reason you didn't get pulled over other than 'minor' infringement. I reckon you know this already hence your ad hominem reply.
@@347lbs The reason why I didn't get pulled over? I blame the tories cutting funding especially police officers. Have you noticed the only time you see them is when major crimes happens so they don't have time for minor speeding offices. Obviously if you do 90+ then without a doubt they would pull you over
Something I'd like to add to this - P plates. I didn't choose to use them myself after I passed but a friend of mine did and he noticed as soon as he took them off that everyone was much nicer to him on the roads. It's clear that many drivers treat P plated cars in the same way that they do learner drivers - putting them at the bottom of the social hierarchy.
Agreed. I used them for about a day after passing my test and found that people would rather die than get 'stuck' behind me. I took them off and the situation improved but not much as a 15 year old 89 reg nissan micra was deemed pretty low on the food chain. In fact i came to the conclusion that it was invisible :)
I used P plates for about a month after I passed and I didn't notice any difference whatsoever between having them off or keeping them on. If you stick to the speed limit, you have tailgaters behind you regardless. Do most road users even know what P plates are?
@@collinslfc I think those who do generally will try to give the driver more space. I'm glad you had a good experience with your P plates though, every story that I've heard about them has been similar to what my friend experienced.
@@BraddersDavis But what I'm saying is, if you have P plates on your car and someone cuts you up or tailgates you, you can't necessarily say that is due to the P plates because that goes on in everyday driving anyway.
@@collinslfc ah, yes, I see. Of course, that is the case and it's a shame that people don't have more time for each other on the roads in general. However, to quote my friend: "it felt like people were treating me as a learner while I had the P plates on" and I think that sort of summerises how people see the P plates and learners. Yes, there are people out there who will treat them badly but, there are probably equally as many people who will treat them with respect and give them time and space to make the small mistakes we all make just after passing our test.
I've never been impatient with L plate cars, I dont understand people that are, they have done nothing wrong, they are learning
Same and exactly.
Me too. I always give them a bit of space in front of me, so not to make them feel nervous or under pressure. They are lucky to have an instructor with them, to learn and become safe responsible drivers. We were all once learners. A lot tend to think once you’ve passed your test, that is it, you are free and independent; the driving attitudes of drivers can be very self-centred, especially the ones I tend to come across unfortunately. It is amazing to come across good disciplined drivers from time to time though.
rugby86 same. I leave a big gap as that’s something I hated when learning, ie if you mess up changing gear then you worry you will get rear ended or something and you feel pressured
You've forgotten about thick, selfish, sociopaths. Also piss/cokeheads. This is Liverpool as well, factor that in. Don't get uppity, I grew up here. In Kenny. When it was posh.
Man, i swear, there are some people out there who thinks they were born with driving skills. They forgot they were once a learner too. I really gets me on my nerves. (I live in Mauritius by the way, it's the same here)
I learned pretty early on after passing my test (1978) to respect learner drivers when my Dad drove to my home to go out in my car with me driving. Got behind a learner and I said, "Oh great, stuck behind a learner!!". My Dad just replied "You had to learn didn't you?" That's all he said. I said, "You're right Dad, I'll give them room". I never forgot that 'lesson', He's long gone now. But even to this day, I live on the same road now used frequently by driving instructors, if they are parallel parking or turning in the road, I will sit and wait patiently for them to finish what they are doing. Always get a wave of thanks from both instructor and pupil. Thanks for that Dad.
The pupil shouldn't be thanking you lol they must be very grateful
My Renault Clio 1997 got a lot of respect when merging in slow traffic. "Look at my bodywork" it seemed to say, "this isn't my first rodeo, if you want to make contact, let's make contact".
Same here, I'm like "your car's looking pretty new and expensive, mine's 21 years old and worth at most 3k; you most likely owe money on your car while i don't. We both already know who has the most to lose and who cares the most about a dent in their bumper". I do care about my car and I don't want to get it in unnecessary battles where it could end up damaged, but the point is that I don't care as much as the guy next to me who owes 40k on his brand new car. A dent on a brand new car is much more visible than one on a 20-year-old car.
In the rough and tumble roads of Boston MA USA, there are 2 rules 1. The ugly car has the right of way. 2. You are only responsible for what is in front of you. The roads there are much more congested than I see in your videos. Stay safe.
@@AmbachtAle The ugly car likely has the worse brakes, too, so don't ever brake check them
@@oliviersavard8676 a 20 year old car worth 3000? You must be London. Of course on the other side the new car will be repaired by the insurance just the deductible, while yours will be written off and I am sure you won't get 3k for it minus the deductible.
@@thewizzard3150 3k CAD, not GBP
Ashley, as you have bmw cars, please don’t forget to top up the indicator fluid regularly!
It's a BMW, that bottle is always empty ;). It's why they don't work!
@@robertemmett906 aren't they optional? they don't standard on the base model.
@@robertemmett906 To be totally honest you are a very boring person
That has been said so many times for so many years by so many people, it's just pathetic.
Can't you think of something else.
I bet he is more consistent than you !
@@adriancoppin977 I am so pleased for you and your high opinion of yourself!
Some interesting things I've noticed when riding around town:
It is mostly BMW M series that tend to want to race me off the lights (and then don't stop accelerating when they reach the speed limit)
Premium 4x4s and entitled middle aged women are the ones that usually use their cars to block me filtering.
It's often hatchback style cars that dangerously tailgate me.
Assuming you are on a motorbike at those times. Perhaps they want to show how fast they are and take on a bike? They are so insulated that they can reach the speed limit and hardly feel much. This encourages them to go fast to get a thrill. When you say hatchbacks, it's likely the GTI types? They are a bit more anti-social in my experience.
And it's most often van drivers who give me space while filtering.
@@addario as a van driver AND biker who leaves room, thanks for noticing!
@@addario You gotta love those Van drivers. I do...
I drive a fast Honda, not because it's fast, but because it's luxurious, I don't race anyone, but I usually find these oxygen thieves that drive some of these BMW's wanting to tailgate me, and race away from traffic lights. The difference between BMW drivers, and a cactus ? A cactus has its pricks on the outside.
I'm 29 only passed January 2019. And how I was treated on the road by other drivers made me develop driving anxiety it was so bad that I had to push back my driving test by 2 months and my instructor had to spend time trying to help me get over it.
luckily after I passed it went away.
I drive a 04 Yaris and I feel like quite a few road users try to bully me, like I'd get someone using their horn at me when I'm waiting at a busy roundabout that's at a standstill, or not instantly doing 30mph when traffic lights just turn green. Or I'll get people cut me up, pull out in front of me, aggressive tailgating, being over taken when I'm doing 30mph on a 30mph.
I just let people get on with their awful behaviour and try and not let it affect me, I'm driving like how I was taught and how I drove on my test that made me pass.
Please don't let those inconsiderate, lack of commen sense and knowledge knobs upset you. I can relate to you, driving can be a nerve wrecking experience when you come across absolutely stupid people. I sadly dwell over the incidences I have seen from bad drivers that I actually go to sleep mad.
@James Stewart Terrible idea because you'll likely get a speeding ticket or get caught by the police. Then you'll get points on your licence
You're a lot better than me I bib and shout at them
@James Stewart "You should break the law so you don't inconvenience me"
Good for you!
As a long distance Coach driver your spot on, it’s a sad reflection on today’s society.
Could say a lot more but frankly it sickens me to talk about it.
I have a new car and a 15 year old van, I can observe the difference!
I deliberately stay to the speed limit and it Ps them off.
People don't realise that if you are caught speeding, you could lose your licence and lose your job. It's a risk not worth taking, plus maintaining the speed limit is safer and more economical. I'm on my way getting my class d.
I think you're wrong about it being a problem of today's society. It has always been there, but today's access to social media including RUclips have raised many of society's issues to a degree of prominence that wasn't possible 10 or 20 years ago.
Sticking to the speed limit is great, but don't do that on the overtaking lanes if you are not overtaking, please!
I am a dreamer, I would like to be a undercover traffic police in a driving school car. I guess my boss will fire me first month, because the police station will cannot deal with so many fines. LoL
Brilliant I would love to see that. An undercover cop car with L plates. LOL.
Sadly unlikely to happen here in Northern Ireland. L drivers are limited to 45 mph here and cops might need to go faster to do their jobs even if not on blues and twos.
@@R04drunner1 Is that just Northern Ireland?
@@joshuaelliot2020 wow every day a school day. You are right the 45 mph limit for Learners only applies in Northern Ireland. I had assumed it was the same all over the UK. I have edited my comment accordingly. Thanks!
The thought of a learner driver doing 70 mph on a dual carriageway makes my blood run cold.
My driving instructor in Northern Ireland was fuming one day when he came to pick me up for a lesson. Cop stopped him and told him any car displaying L plates is restricted to 45 mph over here.
(As a separate issue, in Northern Ireland, newly qualified drivers are required to put R - for Restricted - plates on their cars until one year after they pass their driving test. They are restricted to 45 mph during that year.)
I was driving like an idiot on an A road years ago (100mph+) and there was a citreon behind me sitting across the centre line that couldn't get past. On a straight bit of road towards a village I was 120mph and started to brake for the 30mph and they finally got in front. Small sticker on the tailgate "POLICE DRIVER UNDER INSTRUCTION". I then spotted the 2cops In the back wagging their fingers at me. I turned down a side street and waited a few minutes before reemerging onto the road further down and could see the Cops had pulled over to either change driver or wait on me. I parked up and went to the shop to kill some time. When I eventually left I was super careful to never speed again..... Until the next time.
When I drive my girlfriend’s Suzuki swift, other drivers treat me with very little to no regard lol. But when I’m out in my 5 series it’s very different !
2 BMWs? Time to rethink my career choices, driving instructor here I come!
His wife is minted. The driving Instructor thing is just to keep him occupied. 🏌️
jaye see
I’m thinking you’re right. Either that or sweet RUclips ad money 🤔
jaye see
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@James Stewart he sure does my instructor had a full head of hair when he started teaching me and was bald as a billiard ball after five lessons 😁😁😁😁
My 1999 Nissan almera gets no respect. 😂
They’re just jealous 😏
I no longer capitulate to bullies. I've concluded that if you do then they will see that as vindication that they're in the right and will do it again in future.
To answer the questions at 1:45 - Yes, and, Yes.
I've read this at timestamp 1:44
As a keen cyclist myself I can really back that one up. When people actually give me the priority I have, I'm usually very appreciative as really it's so rare for people to wait. Cheers Ashley :)
get on the path mate my mum is a cyclist and it does my head in when she is on the road ,i know the law says your not surpposed to be on the path but honesty fuck that rule id rather get a fine than hooverd under a car while some moron is sending messages on there phone
@@user-fb3jz2bn2q It's really not that dangerous, you just have to be aware. I get your point but tbh people on phones are a danger to everyone where ever you are.
@@computerpro5341 I just wish more drivers would understand we need more room when they overtake. I was a long 85-mile ride the other day and of all the overtakes by far the best was an ambulance. That driver gave me loads of room, I felt so grateful for showing me that respect. I did feel like the bottom of the heap on that ride for some reason. I usually steer clear of traffic but this was in the rush hour due to the long nature of the ride. And I usually take the back roads to avoid traffic when on my bike but this time I just wanted to get home after the long ride. Also, HGV drivers are mostly good and stand out.
@@andrewnorris5415 To be honest, I do leave as much room when I'm driving but everytime when I look in the mirror you see people just leaving enough room not to collide. I also know as a cyclist how it feels to be close passed as well though, and dealt with general just blatantly not giving way. I had a car before just come straight through when there wasn't enough space for me and her, to be honest I was pissed off that day and stood my ground and made her reverse xd
It must be fucking terrifying on a dually
Fascinating! If you've ever driven a truck in Saudi Arabia, as I did when I was young, you've learnt about defensive driving! The Arabs had (maybe still have, I don't know) a sense of 'Inshallah' - if God wills it. Not all of them, but there were very few polite drivers there, the horn was the most important part of the car. More 'Me first, at any cost, to the point of death!' We learnt to heave on the brakes, let them in when they overtook without a hope. 2 trucks coming towards you, occupying the whole carriageway, neither giving way, pull off into the desert and let them scream by. Some arguments, 'It Was My Right Of Way!' will kill you.
I haven't read every comment, but it seems that Audi, Mercedes and BMW drivers seem to have a sense of entitlement. I've watched them roar by, undertaking on the hard shoulder in blinding rain, when the sensible ones were doing 40.
I sat and waited for my wife, shopping at M&S at Banbury. We were parked 50 yards away, when a Mercedes pulled up outside the door, where there was strictly no parking. The occupant, a 40 something, got out, went inside for 15 minutes, came out with several bags, got in and drove away.
In Grange over Sands, this week, I also watched a Mercedes driver slow and stop for a couple of senior citizens who were waiting patiently to cross, stop, holding up the traffic, and wave them across, I talked to them, they were grateful.
It doesn't take a lot, does it. In my youth, in my Standard 8, I would always drive flat out. I said to a girl friend 'Well, I have my crazy half hour, but Dave drives like that all the time!' her reply was 'Funny how you always have your "crazy half hour" when I'm in the car!' I was always more careful after that!
My Dad had a big Jag Mk V11. he drove slowly. he had two comments. 'Well, they like overtaking a Jag' and 'I catch them up at the lights anyway!' nowadays, I catch them up at the lights too.
And oh, by the way, I still remember what it was like when I was learning to have someone close on my bumper, revving the engine. I always give plenty of room and let them take their time. I''ll catch them up at the next set of lights anyway!
Happy Days!
John
The top 10 ar$eholes by vehicle:
1. White van man/Ford flatbed/Mercedes Sprinter etc. (doesn't care about his van)
2. Mercedes C class on finance
3. A class as above
4. 'Range Rover' Evoque
5. Real Range Rover
6. Audi
7. BMW
8. Nissan Joke Juke
9. Quashqai (?)
10. Tipper truck drivers (when empty!)
You forgot brightly coloured Vauxhall Corsas with loud exhausts and subwoofers, as well as basically every crossover ever made.
Audi should be much higher.
I guess I am somehow terrible just because I drive a Mercedes C class.
Lightning Farron only if it’s on finance apparently 😂
Ha Ha, like your list, I'm No.1 by the way, Sprinter, but it's silver, so I'm probably not as bad!
As a motorcyclist I definitely give more caution to a car that's a bit banged up on the sides, missing hubcaps, bulbs out.
The range rover/BMW thing is that they've been giving finance to anyone.
They've become the iPhones of cars so everyone who is more obsessed with image than skill on the road gets one.
They think they've got something that automatically entitles them.
I like the analogy that we're all sticks in a river, you get little twigs and big logs.
And to keep the river flowing we all need to work together.
What happens when you get a logjam though
Yeah had a car like that the other day, it was right behind me following pretty closely while there was clearly another car in front of me. Was pretty convinced that it was either stolen or was wanting to hit me, luckily it turned off but I would not have liked to stay there!
Without a hint of irony another driver shouted "Learn how to f-ing drive mate" at my friend during one of his driving lessons. I was also beeped at by a car behind me when I correctly gave way to a double-decker bus when I had L plates on my car.
I think this wholly symptomatic of society in general where people with a wee bit more money, and thus the ability to drive higher-powered cars, somehow believe that this makes them more important on the road.
I've had my license for a bit over a year but whenever I see a learner car, I give them space, just in case, and go around them if I can
You have a licenCe. It’s a noun.
LicenSe is a verb.
To be fair I think most people do cut learners a bit of slack, it’s just that the people who don’t really stand out.
@Adrian Coppin
Correct for English speakers but in USA (English as a second language) they do not use “license”. They also use “backseat” as a noun rather than an adjective but that’s another story. I’m over it.
Great Vid Very interesting. I think its like this.. (from my experience)
1 White Van Man
2 Audi Drivers / BMW
3 Taxi drivers
4 Sport cars
5 Hot Hatches
6 4x4's
7 Motor bikes (fast ones)
8 New cars
9 Learners
10 OAPs
11 Mopeds
12 Horse Riders
13 cyclists
Basically everyone then? 😂
14 My 2006 Fiesta
My son will be pleased Mercs are not on the hit list 😆
15 my diesel fiat punto in a bender colour
You've missed out pedestrians :P
Going from a 54 plate Yaris to a 14 plate Ibiza I’ve 100% noticed a difference in how people treat me on the road. People don’t tailgate you as much, let you into their lane, flash you out of junctions, the list goes on. So bizarre
James Stewart I mainly mentioned the plate for a reference to how old my Yaris was! I think people mainly treated me differently because they assumed my car was slow (it was) and this meant I would be annoying to be behind 🤷🏼♀️
It's also a double standard of being a young woman; they're either overly nice to you or needlessly harsh lmao, either way it's patronising af
Honestly, I feel pity for people who subscribe to this mentality. I'd wager that the vast majority of them spend 20% of their monthly salary on car finance, which is just insane, but proves the lengths they are willing to go to in order to feel some semblance of superiority over others. The sad truth is that behind many of these facades is a council house and a litany of late payments, all to maintain what they perceive as an elevated position in society by making sure as many people as possible see them driving around in a nice car. It absolutely baffles me that beyond the age of 25, people throw everything they have at this instead of using the money to gain real experiences in the world. The irony is that those who possess the latter will always have a more interesting story than, "Yeah mate, it's a Quattro."
I approach every single driver in the same way as I would a person on the street - with respect, until they give me a reason not to.
The same social attitudes that seem to apply to the car you are driving are also apparent in the way you dress, to your house, to your accent, to your job etc etc.
I could go on but the saying " never judge a book by looking at its cover" applies but is rarely practiced.
I also cycle as well as drive a car and of the two modes of transport I am well aware that as a cyclist a lot of car drivers treat me as being much lower on the food chain than they do if I'm in my car. I don't think there is much we can do about it as education and knowing about it have not stopped it, it's the way people are.
Absolutely spot on.
I learned not to care what others think about you most people are hypocrites when it comes to their actions or appearances but don't mind criticising you for the very same flaws.
I had a situation in a buses only zone, a group of lads in a car in front of me blocked me from crossing the traffic lights, the driver popped his head out the window to show me who was boss, that was until a police man walked over to him and pulled him over, I felt sweet victory, and left with a smile.
I would have smiled at him with a middle finger 😂
Social hierarchy in driving is an interesting concept that I've thought about myself and I'm sure your right that it exists. I'd be surprised if there hasn't been some academic research commissioned into this? I'm a Merc driver myself and whilst I hope I am not a total jerk to others on the road, I can certainly recognise that I have made the occasional 'driving faux pas'. The takeaway point for me was 'would you do it to a police car' that is a very good point we should all ask ourselves. Interesting and thought-provoking video.
There was a social study done into pedestrians at crossings which determined that people were more likely to stop for someone that looked important or well dressed than someone that didn't, and that people in more expensive cars were less likely to stop than people in ordinary ones. So the extra money or perception of it definitely has an effect on behaviour.
Is it perception though? My first car was a BMW 530d (07) and my second a Mercedes e220d (17) and I've had a Land Rover Defender as well but my girlfriend has a had a lot of cats because she tends to buy cheap ones that she runs into the ground and they range from Renaults to Nissan to Ford kas and so on. Depending on which car is in the drive, I'll sometimes take her cars (never took the KA) but if I'm a tit then I'm not suddenly going to be a fantastic driver in her Cleo, Clio, however it's spelt. You get what I mean? If I buy a Volvo next am I suddenly not a prick? If I'm in the defender am I suddenly indicating and so on and then forget in the merc?
My point is if I cut someone up in a flash car then people will notice the car but if I cut someone up in a Renault then the car is completely grey into the world. Know what I mean? Personally KIA drivers are the worst for me but realistically it's probably because one day I noticed a someone doing 25mph down a 40 while I was trying to get him and the divvy didn't indicate that now whenever I see a KIA drive too slow or nervous or not indicate I'm like "ffs, KIA drivers"
It's kinda like if someone with red hair has a temper. People with red hair aren't lunatics but because of the stereotype, when one died go mad then everyone is like "red hair=temper" or short man syndrome it whatever. Everyone gets angry but if it's a small dude we all assume its because he's small
My auto correct changed a lot of words there, ranging from cats to dues but hopefully the gist came across
Excellent video Ash. What happened to the lorry at about 10:40 is exactly what happens to us bus drivers quite regularly. "I must get Infront of that bus" is often a very dangerous tactic. Quite often, other road users will cut up larger vehicles to then instantly turn, making it extremely difficult to stop said large vehicle.
Not using the signal when doing that, is even more dangerous!
Bad/unintelligent drivers tend to hold these stereotypes up, by living up to them or changing their behaviour because of them.
I always find it unusual when you see something fast like an audi rs6 doing the correct speed limit
It seems on the contrary a lot more normal to see someone driving casually in an expensive/fast car and to see someone in an old pos going mach 2 on the highway: the one with the expensive car cares about his, the one with the old pos couldn't care less about bumping it once more
The answer is when you get in your car leave your ego behind. ( I drive a 20 year old Peugeot 306, I don't feel inferior to any other vehicle on the road )
That's exactly the key. I drive pretty much the most average UK car possible (a 2009 Mondeo, in case you're wondering!), and I actually get more pleasure out of driving well and being courteous and not subscribing to being a hypocrite than I would by getting 'one over' on people by racing around trying to get in front. My fuel bills are low, my tyres and brakes last forever, my blood pressure doesn't shoot through the roof, and there's just enough other decent people about to make the whole thing worthwhile and promote a bit of 'feel good' about helping others out :)
I'm just amazed that you got a Peugeot to last that long.
@@LordSandwichII still runs and looks like new..
I drive a 2007 fiat punto (my partners car) and a ride a 125cc superlight (weird choice of name coz the bike weighs a tonne haha) and I've never once felt like anyone else is above me or has more right to be on the road than me. Unfortunatly that can't be said for everyone. Like my friend who past his test about 3 years ago. He's as quiet as a mouse out of the car but once he gets behind the wheel is the exact opposite. Tailgating none stop, hard accelerating, cutting people up and just generally being a hazard. Thing is, when I pull him about it he genuinely doesn't see anything wrong with how he drives and doesn't think anyone else would be bothered by it. It's crazy what a steel box can do to people's brains.
Snap my Yaris is 18 , professional driver for 44 years , no interest now in chasing around like a numpty , or throwing a large wodge at something that lives in the streets. Just a dash cam if needed don’t do road rage.
Thanks, Ashley. As a cyclist and driver, I really appreciate those people who give me more room when overtaking me on my cycle. This beautiful quote I came across recently reminds me of status symbols, "I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance that I should have been by any epaulet I could have worn." Henry David Thoreau. Have a lovely day Ashley.
Great video. I passed my test a few years ago but enjoy these videos and feel they have made my driving skills increase and be more aware of situations. 👍
I really like this sort of video, Ashley. I'm fascinated by the social dynamics on the road, too. They are so complex, they mirror the social complexities of society in general, but on wheels and with a false sense of anonymity, which reduces the inhibition of showing our emotions freely.
But there are also some just plain weird social interactions at play.
For example, I drive an old 2006 diesel Mondeo. It doesn't look much, but it actually pushes out something over 180BHP, with tuning.
The other morning I noticed a BMW i3 snapping at my heels on a bypass, just before joining a motorway.
I was thinking "What's he doing so close?" and I expect he was thinking, "Why doesn't this old banger get out of the way."
We joined the motorway slip road together, and he pushed ahead hard on the inside slip lane, and I did the same in the outside lane.
I was surprised at how quick the 69-plate i3 was (I later discovered they have 170BHP equivalent) and I expect he was a little dismayed that the knackered old Mondeo next to him was keeping up with his £30k brand new car.
There was no aggression, just competition, but I suspect it was just as interesting and educational experience for him, as it was for me. Those i3s really are surprisingly nippy. 😄
MrSonicAdvance What a brilliant comment!
you resorted to a race, and got satisfaction that your old banger kept up with a new car, kind of childish really dont you think ?
@@ArcadeCabNBud Shouldn't you be outside shouting angrily at clouds?
180bhp!? Woaahhhh! Yeah, please move aside ;D.
I'll also say that I think some of the poor behaviour on the roads stems from the fact that people feel untouchable in a car, surrounded by a metal cocoon that makes retribution unlikely.
Do people change behind the wheel? Or do they merely feel emboldened so that they can let their inherent social deficiencies out with little chance of comeback?
everyone is untouchable till they have to get out of their car to refuel. then they go quiet as a mouse i find.
Can you imagine acting like that in a queue or in a shop or something on foot? Barging in, shouting swear words etc. They wouldn't dare!
Great video. When I was doing my driving lessons 30 years ago I actually chose an instructor with a BMW because of the appeal. While doing a three point turn in a six cilinder car without power steering makes a good workout and the BMW is a proper drivers car, the instructor turned out to be the stereotypical BMW driver: aggressive, sexist and very much aware of hierarchy on the road. My parents had a Ford Escort 1.1 so after passing my test I had to shed all this BMW behaviour very quickly ;-)
There is defiantly people out there who think they are above anyone else and shows in their driving
In 40-odd years of driving I've seen (especially young) drivers behaving much more aggressively to learners. Not just being impatient, but turning right across them or pulling out at rbts MUCH too close, because they "know" the nervous learner will brake to let them turn/pull out.
And how stupid is it to honk at lorries/buses that pull out at rbts or junctions at 10mph? That's all they can do from a standing start for chr***'s sake !
It's strange because when I see a learner's car I try to act more reasonable so not to get pointed at by the instructor as "see that guy overthere? Don't be like him". I also know that most of them are pretty stressed out so I don't try to go and make their situation even worse, or else that's how you end up with overstressed drivers who panic at the slightest thing.
1:10 it's down to let's get to A and B the quickest and most drivers feel they have earned their driving license so they think they the god given right to intimidate and bully others. Plus the lack of enforcement by police to remove and fine these a**hole drivers they keep getting away with it.
I was once driving down a narrow country road in my 10 year old Toyota Yaris, and came face to face with a Range Rover. There was enough room for us to both pass eachother with two wheels on the grass verge, the Range Rover being perfectly equipped for such off road driving refused, and wanted a stand off instead.
Typical premium car drivers. I drove on a county road and a farmer made me wait for 5 minutes before a tractor come! I wasn’t very happy and he was so nasty and unfriendly I could have easily avoid it
bridges24 as an old landrover driver( we're both 56) I love driving into the verge/ hedge on narrow lanes etc. I fucking hate 4x4 drivers who've never even got their tyres dirty! Bastards
There is a plateau. Range Rovers/MercAudiBMW are the most arrogant. Above them, the supercar owners, tend to be non aggressive and courteous. I've never been cut up, tailgated or raced off the lights by a Ferrari, Bentley or even a Mercedes AMG GTR. They're always considerate. How weird.
What this man is saying is 100% true, I own a premium German car and once drove a friends 2003 fiesta and the difference was very noticeable
You're doing a great service to humanity! May you never stop doing what you do.
I know I used to get aggressive when I would get screwed by other drivers, mostly the ones in the German brands. Then a few years ago I just let it all go now and try even not to react to it. My stress levels are a lot lower for it.
Thank you for mentioning other users such as cyclists. I drive and occasionally cycle. The other day a driver barged through as you described. It's frustrating if that happens when you're in the car but when you're on the bicycle it's even more upsetting because that other road user has basically used the fact that you are more vulnerable against you. Like, they've unconsciously thought "they're worse off in a collision so self-preservation will force them to give way to me" and there's something a bit sociopathic about that mentality.
Interesting insights.
I try and drive as if I have caused an accident and am getting a chance to go back in time and prevent the accident from occurring.
i was a bus/truck (class 1) driver for 13 years and i used to say to new drivers that we could be speeding towards a brick wall at 100mph someone would still push in front to get there before us.
Another excellent video. Well done! I have to say I've noticed it a lot in recent months that lorrys on the motorway overtake in lane 2 do so even when on an incline and it just brings the speed of the motorway to about 50 mph. Often they are probably only doing 3 mph faster even when on the flat. Would probably be better for the environment if they just stuck in lane 1 and cruised along rather than trying to make up a few precious seconds as I doubt they would arrive any earlier at their destination.
An interesting contrast happened to me when I finally achieved my dream of buying an Aston Martin, even if it was by the standards of the brand - a comparatively old and rather shabby example (2005 DB9). I was surprised by the courtesy and "No, after you" I experienced, especially compared to my experiences years ago on motorcycles! Now I consider myself a courteous and safe driver but I sincerely doubt I would have had a similar scenario if I'd been driving a Porsche, Ferrari or Lamborghini!
I was once following a Mercedes s Class. He was going 40 in every 60 limit. (It was a clear Summers' day, blue skies, midday so the sun wasn't in a bad spot) When it was clear to do so I decided to overtake (I have a 1.4L Honda Jazz, so not fast to accelerate) and the Mercedes put his foot down until he got to 60 to try to stop me overtaking! It definitely followed your point about people in higher cars, think they own the road and don't care about other people.
@Ashley Neal. Just like to say thank you for the quality content you upload. I passed my test on Thursday first time. I have been watching your videos regularly, especially leading up to my test and will continue to do so as the information and tips you provide are excellent! All the best 🙂
To answer in short: Yes
As a cyclist I actually love learner cars as they are one of the few that stick to the speed limit, they don't do sudden maneuvers and provide me with a safe space when they are driving behind and in front of me. They almost act as a deterrent to close passes and aggressive beeping
im a fast cyclist and driving instructors dont seem to like me overtaking their pupils on my bicycle very much
@@ilikebikes7967 well if you are undertaking on a bike, that is very dangerous
A scientific study was done into whether the politeness of drivers was related to the value of their car (I think I read about it in Freakonomics - great book btw). They had someone who looked frail start to approach a zebra crossing when a car was a safe distance from them, and recorded whether or not the car stopped . Unsurprisingly, they found as car value increased, levels of consideration for the frail pedestrian fell. To put this another way, the more pricey the car, the bigger the chance there is an A-hole behind the wheel.
This was interesting, especially when you talked about code switching (changing from one presentation to another like taking the L plates off). I've just gone from a little polo to a van and I think there is a difference in the way that people treat me, even if I'm as deferential and cautious as I always was. Wish me luck with being the politest lorry driver out there if I can pass the test for that!
I am proud of my old car that I own, can fix and it runs like clockwork. I tend to be more jealous of slightly older cars than mine in better nick, than 19 plate lease cars, that people have borrowed so the car dealers don't have to leave them parked up in a massive car park generating no revenue.
Coping with cyclists, light jumpers, learners, lane changers and need for speed enthusiasts are all part of good road craft. If you can't then you are as lacking as you might perceive them to be.
Me too, my 16 year old car has 250,000 miles on it and I'm proud of it! And I like knowing it's all bought and paid for.
This should be compulsory viewing.great if it helps people have patience with learners. We were all novices once.keep up the great work
Nice1 mate. Great insight into this. Made me think about my driving. And I’m going to relax more. 👍🏻
Fantastic video Ashley. Probably the best you've ever aired. Well done 👍
Great video. As a two-wheeled road user anything that helps me avoid an incident with a larger vehicle is of interest to me. The psychology of why people behave the way they do on the road is fascinating, especially when that behaviour can result in some-one dying.
As a motorcycle rider I see the same thing in motorcycle world. Some riders are just prone to doing stupid things, think of all the squids crashing Suzuki GSXRs (any 600 to litre sports bike really) and Harley riders who won't wear a helmet. Contrast that to the typical ADV or Gold Wing rider who probably wear all of the gear all of the time. There's a reason the insurance premiums are much higher for an Ninja 600 than a KLR650. 🙂
i was in north of Italy... Behind some cyclists stood a lot of cars. They give priority to them. Good and nice but the reason is becouse the drivers loose theyr licence for long time if they are rude on road...
But no police there ...then how they can loose theyr licence ???
Simple...The other drivers who can made complain , or pedestrians or everyone who can made pictures. And the road education is made...
The reason is ” Everyone is equal on the road no matter what you drive ”
Hi Ashley, another cracking video and I agree with all of the points. You forgot to mention buses as well as lorries, everyone wants to get past the bus, especially the leaner vehicles I take pupils out in!! As for should you continue being positive and follow the rules strictly, most definitely!! I’m constantly amazed at the amount of drivers who pass their test and seem to think”Oh well, that’s over with, I can forget everything I was taught and drive however I want”. Keep up the good work!
Watched a few vids before but this intriguing question and analysis secured my subscription. Makes sense considering how important social structures are in pretty much every aspect of life.
I've definitely found there is a difference in how some other drivers treat you depending on the car you drive. When I've had hire cars which are brand new and higher spec I've been shown more respect than driving my usual usual 11yr old Corsa
Thank you for this, I never really thought about how my kids perceive other road users based upon my comments. I’m all for the rules but I should be more careful of my comments when driving 👍
I have been driving a new 21 plate since June, and have noticed more tailgating and hostile behaviour than before in my previous car. At first I thought I was being paranoid, but family members in the car have witnessed this too.
You're right Ashley, we don't tolerate bullying elsewhere, so its not acceptable when driving either. I have had some bad experiences as a newly qualified driver, but I refuse to let people intimidate me. It seems if the speed limits were increased on every road, this STILL wouldn't be fast enough for some!
Another point you made Ashley, is that children/young teenagers (can) learn bad behaviour from adults. I totally agree. If kids are exposed to negative behaviour and responses to other road users, then it is likely they will adopt the same habits.
Possibly, we need to teach future generations of drivers the need for respect BEFORE they even start driving. Perhaps they should incorporate this into the theory test?
Very good video Ashley we have the same problems as you down here in the East Midlands. I drive for Red Driving School and the abuse you get from taxi drivers is amazing I and my pupils laugh it of but we always had a discussion about what happened and how we deal with it. But your so right in what you say about how it makes pupils so nervous it can sometimes take then back a level before building there confidence back to where it was before. Always refer your videos to them to, keep up the good work. YNWA James
I get tailgated a lot from men especially young men who are driving it’s not like a go slow I always stick to the speed limit when the road conditions allow me to.
I think they are trying to compensate for something 🙊. I'm planning on putting a rear camera in my car so can record bad drivers behind me
i hate them tailgaters are a pain especially when they wave their hands around like wanna be dancers, i am young and i drive safely it pisses them off once i had some fool pull up beside me and say out of his window "you young why you not speeding get on going" i relied to him" I am also to young to die by stupidity". then pulled off from the red light turned now green.
HistoryFan476ad just put on cruise control and everytime they come closer, you slow down.😉
Recently subscribed and enjoying the videes - keep up the good work!
I do a lot of driving and over recent years the level of aggression on the roads is ever increasing. I think there is definatley a social hierarchy on the roads and almost a competitive nature in driving.
I think part of the issue is that lots of people now purchase cars via PCP and have easier/cheaper access to more powerful, prestige vehicles and also the fact that most modern general small/medium sized cars have far more power than they ever used to in the past.
With all the driver aids, technology and power these days people feel invincible in their cars... PCP adds to it further as well, cars have almost become a throwaway item people don't care for their vehicles as much as they used to and they expect to only keep them for a few years and swap them for the next car and I think this also means they take more risks on the road than they may have done in the past.
I feel sorry for people these days trying to learn to drive it's so much harder than it's ever been, the roads are a scary place and unfortunatley a lot of people just don't give a s**t I certainly don't enjoy driving half as much as I used to and the sights I see on a daily basis are horrific at times, watching your vids is funny as I'm a local also and see a lot of the same issues you post on the same roads time and time again.
PCP the finance company or PCP the drug where a naked guy punches through a fence?
Ashley the sociologist? And why not. You have touched on a vast world of daily human interactions which I do not believe has ever been properly studied. (The only exception I can think of are the few observations that have been made about the ‘white van man’ stereotype.) Many of us have preconceptions about how drivers of certain vehicles (you mentioned German makes) are likely to behave, to the extent that we are surprised when they display any courtesy at all.
I just found your channel, I have great respect with your attitude. Thank you.
Hi Ashley, I am an Australian driver and we do have slightly different issues as most of our cars are larger than in the UK. We have wider roads same problems safety of Cyclists is major, I always respect Learners why be a Dic. k My issue is driving anywhere near anyone texting roaming all over the road an accident waiting to happen. Thanks for educating us all x
i think its quite clear that Ford Fiestas from 2003-2008 are at the top of the hierachy list
Ford Fiesta cars are now illegal in West Yorkshire
Yes, there definitely is, the amount of dangerous manoeuvres people do because of L plates, including speeding, cutting lanes, usually done by people who are driving these "bigger cars"
Ashley ,as always you are an inspiration to everyone. When i get behind a learner driver ,i always give them plenty of room.As to the hierarchy thing, i think that to many drivers forget that they were once learner drivers,& they become more wound up in their own importance.This is even more evidant on the morning work run ,when they leave it late.You said it yourself on an earlier video, !!They are getting worse!! .
you will happy to hear for me we all started somewhere so give learners the space and time they need.
I always just remember what it was like when I was learning to drive. Especially when I was working as a bus driver, I would give learner drivers plenty of room and sometimes protect them from other road users. One of our routes used to share a road with a test route, and we'd often come across someone turning in the road or parallel parking. I used to position my bus well back and in the middle of the road till they were finished, and taught my bus driver trainees to do the same. I used to say to them "If one of those impatient drivers gets past you and collides with that learner car, you are a witness. Save yourself the paperwork." 😏
Can I just add though, if I see a driving school car with no passenger, I expect a high standard of driving from them, which is not always the case. I'd literally give people recommendations on driving schools based on the instructor's conduct driving his own car.
Need to remember that everyone was a learner once!
To your penultimate point, I kind of enjoy following the rules, knowing I'm doing the correct thing amongst the chaos calms me somewhat. Tailgaters though.. still make me panic a bit. Especially at night. Cheers for the video. Be well ☺️
From my perspective as a motorcyclist in London I always give learner cars space and go easy when filtering past not to startle anyone but at the same time I'm so cautious around learner cars because a good number of instructors are impatient, aggressive and inattentive when driving on their own. I do remember these incidents more because of the fact it's a learner car with an instructor driving but it's scary how many have no regard for other riders/drivers and are on their phones.
You're absolutely correct again with this video. The main issue is the passive aggressive attitudes that this entitlement breeds. Roads are a dangerous place these days, and the love i once had for driving has long disappeared due to it.
Andy, I feel the same way.
Kia Sportage drivers (or anyone in a so called SUV) are the new BMW drivers.
Car manufacturers increasing the width of each new model is a considerable annoyance. As are stupidly bright headlights .
In glad youve touched in this subject, I drive various different vehicles for work and used to drive bigger sports cars but decided to get a smaller car that’s better on fuel and everything else, I get tail gated and cut up on a daily basis now. I swear other drivers think that it’s a new driver. Have no problems in the works vehicles but as soon as I get into my car I lose priority everywhere.
Ashley - can you do a video covering "Merge In Turn"? Too many drivers misread the sign as *Barge* *In* *Front* ...
I'm fairly sure he's done one.
If both lanes were filled equally no queue jumping would be possible. Long story short USE BOTH LANES TILL THEY END.
I feel like I'm treated differently when I drive my wife's aygo.
I found that when driving a classic people are often much more forgiving and helpful which is very helpful in a vehicle with now power steering and very slow acceleration
This channel has definitely informed my driving and made me think about my behaviour 👍🏻 cheers for this.
bloody ridiculous that i get treated so differently in a merc and on a bicycle. ffs i'm still the same person on a bicycle
Or are you... ? ;-)
I find the same. It's a clear prejudice.
How can you expected to be treated the same on 2 different vehicles?
@@EinkOLED Because he's a person which ever form of transport he's using !
Get a bike with three spoke wheels
I'm happier in my £500 12 year old Focus than I would be in a brand new one
I was happy in my 57 plate Focus Titanium until it had to be scrapped 😭
@@Kefford666 That's a shame why did it have to be scrapped?
@@sameyers2670 Too much rust on the undercarriage and needed a new steering rack. Really liked that car too, but it wasn’t worth the repairs.
I'm a learner and I love being behind lorries especially on motorways they are so much nicer to be behind as they are more qualified to be on the road than other drivers could be and it gives me alot of confidence as I know I can be slower and not be overtaken by rushing cars. I rub the wheel when in stressed but I find I never have behind a lorry.
Are you being sarcastic?
A lot of lorry drivers are poor drivers.
Perhaps you are too inexperienced to realise how bad they are.
Hi Ashley, could you do a video on what's the difference between a left lane approaching a junction that only has a painted arrow on road pointing left, and one that has a ground mounted signpost with a circular white arrow pointing left in a blue backround and a continuous white line dividing lanes and a sign on ground.
I get so much shit when driving my fiat 500. I nearly always get undertaken, tailgated or intimated on the roads (and even people closing gaps so I can't overtake or ignoring my signal and won't let me in). They're always men, always in fancy/sporty cars or are in white vans! I get this especially on motorways 🤦🏻♀️
It's probably not because of what you think.
I'm my experience the majority of fiat 500 drivers are a certain kind of woman and they are constantly on their phone at the lights and even when pulling away.
I tend to drop back or get around them as quickly as possible because girls seem to pay more attention to their social life than the road.
Its really distracting I spend more time looking in my mirrors around fiat 500 drivers because I want to know when I have to take action to avoid them smashing up my car, which isn't even a fancy sporty car
@@_Anato_ so I get shit because of other fiat 500 drivers brilliant! 😂 I should go back to a fiesta 🙈
@@tamlovelypeach I used to drive a fiat 500 as well and I agree. Other drivers treat you like shit. I think it is because its classes as a typical girls car but as someone else pointed out, a certain type of girl.
Same sort of thing with Micra's, seen as a car for people who can't really drive regardless of how well they're driven
Also feel like driving carefully/sensibly gets you treated shit as well especially in London. People just have no patience anymore
@@tamlovelypeach ...Or turn it tnto an Abarth. Nobody will mess with you then! :D
I drive a BMW. Pedestrians and cyclists naturally know to move out of my way because I’m in a BMW.
But I bet it is YOU who gives way to big heavy articulated lorries heading towards you. In my opinion it's not the badge that matters, it's the size of the vehicle.
Well just remember Mr.BMW the laws of physics will tell your car to move if a lorry prows into your lane.
What are you like without it though? You’re not about that life in that FINANCED car of THE COMPANY. Most of you can’t defend yourself and have small penis 🤣 And you need the car to attract women. The ego is a terrible thing
Thought provoking video. I agree there is a hierarchy on the road for the reasons you state.
The sociology and psychology of driving is a fascinating subject. My personal thoughts are that we were all in the same position learning to drive and therefore do as you would like to be done to you in that situation. Learn from the Learner.
A point worthy of mentioning is that when a driver gets into their vehicle they do not on the whole leave their mental state behind. They take their attitude with them, be that ‘hurry’ ‘anger’ ‘upset’ ‘impatient’ or a multitude of other feelings.
The test of ‘whether they’d do that if it were a police car’ is so true. I often wear a reflective coat when driving. This visual clue affects other driver’s perceptions of who is in the car.
I’m sure someone has completed a doctorate on the social and psychological factors of driving. Keep up the great work.
This video has taught me alot. I can now see the errors i have made in the past. Thankyou Ashley
I find crossover drivers are generally slow drivers and lane hog
5 minutes in your video. I don't think it's the car brand/age/specs that is the problem but more human behaviour (not all of us are bad or arrogant obviously), it's like a form of boasting when they have a top spec Mercedes or an Evolution while you have a second hand Ford focus. People like to out class others as if to say "I'm better than you!" Or something stupid like that. Again not the cars fault, it's just a machine built to do one job and that's take you from A to B.
Private plates. Yeah I agree there is a sense of pride to having a private plate but what if they have one because it's easier to remember? Also I currently have my late dad's plate when I inherited his Honda, he took pride in having a nice clean car. I plan to keep the plate for its centennial value.
Blue car. I'm inclined to think the driver was just one of those prongs we've all met while learning to drive. Also I couldn't help but notice how the Tesco van seemingly saw the blue car coming.
Random bit. Don't forget to check your number plate lights on the back of your car if you have them and make sure your plate is clean too so it can be seen and read.
THIS ^
I drive my remapped M140i probably slower, in a more law abiding way, and in a more thoughtful manner than anyone else around me. I deliberately do this, to prove that the stupidity of the thicko's who still believe that a certain brand of car automatically turns the driver into a bad, lawless one, is just pathetic and has been proven time and time again to not be true.
It's only stupid people who cling on to that daft idea.
50 years ago I was with a friend and we upset the social hierarchy. We were in a Citroën 2CV on the M1 and overtook a Jaguar. Fortunately, the driver of the Jag didn't see this as an insult and didn't speed past us.
I recently bought a 16 year-old Citroên C4 Coupé with a rear wing which, thanks to the previous owner, is like new. It's the most beautiful car I've ever owned and beats any recent cars for looks. I drive safely, within the speed limit, and bask in the knowledge that I have the most beautiful car in any carpark.
A couple of weeks ago, I bought my own car by myself for the first time and not going to lie, it's one of the most proudest moments of my life. A very cheap run-around, with a bit of subtle damage to the bodywork, a few qwerks here and there and has over 100k miles, but it not long passed its MOT, insurance was cheap and I feel like I made a very good choice with it. However, with it being a cheap old run-around, I noticed a similar attitude within "newer" and "flashy" cars (I live right bang in the middle of a city centre). I've noticed that there is a bit of snobbery when they're in BMW 3 Series compared to my 2007 Renault Clio. I'm the young uni student with a part time job and they're the middle aged businessperson earning over 60k.
In many ways, the model and age of the car can be a big indication of a person's financial and career situation, and often this can lead to more snobbery than necessary.