When I first saw the show back in the day, I didn't know the history of the ship, why they had to recover it from the bottom of the ocean. But now that I know the history, I can see some of these scenes as fanciful retellings of battles of the pacific war.
Japan has a habit of making 'alt' history of the pacific war were they either win 'honorably' and never do war crime and paint the Americans as either evil or the losers
That’s because they outfitted her with American AA guns! Though I can’t help but wonder what would’ve happened if she was given flak shells for her main batteries as well as the fusion shells.
More 75mm for less 127mm could have done the trick in protection. The shear number of fire could have wiped many targets, even without the use of proximity munitions.
Other way around, the BSG remake came out years before this one did. Realistically, what we're seeing here is a very WW2 in space sort of look, and BSG very much had it's own thing.
i am curious if they are classified as CIWS or normal AA with random target aiming system because from the way it works it looks like a CIWS but in massive placements and close to each others lmao
ciws and aa are the same. These are mostly for dramatic effect; they would probably be more precise but it looks impressive and reminds of the old fashioned machine guns.
This is a fantasy re-telling of history, and so I doubt these guns in the minds of the writer are quite as good at CIWS. That said, I remember my Dad's company working on the first phalanx systems back in the day. It could have been the early 80's, it's been a long time.
I mean it's sci-fi, so who knows, but in real life, they're positioned the way secondary batteries would be. Which COULD be used for AA work at medium ranges. But the Yamato and most other naval vessels also had smaller clusters of dedicated AA guns which would have fired at a very high rate of fire. The turrets we see here are a bit of a weird mix. They might well have just called them 'secondary turrets' or something and the software they used could be used for both purposes.
Surely the battle itself is not realistic at all (having the tech for flying spaceships and still using outdated WWII style weapons), but it's a fictional anime inspired by WWII naval battles so it's cool
Your AA gunners/systems need a complete overhaul/retraining if they have a 90+% miss rate against targets going straight towards you with no evasive maneuvers. Yamato was an amusing show, but god damn a lot of it is infuriating.
@@demoskunk nahh what if those CIWS fires the same laser AA like in the Yamato also space Yamato AA batteries suck at targeting missiles and aircraft like it's maned old WW2 AA guns relaying on heavy wall of laser to take it down.
Oh, they do use missiles. This is just a clip of the AA battery. The ship has a full broadside of launchers, another eight on the keel, six more in the smokestack and six at both ends. There are maybe too *many* missiles on the ship if anything...
@@sunrisejackdaw1779 Yes, this ship is loaded with an incredible number of torpedoes, missiles, and depth charges. However, most of them are huge models designed to attack enemy ships or bases, rather than small missiles that attack aircraft. The reason why Yamato does not shoot missiles at aircraft is because the missiles are rendered ineffective by substances in space that they do not know about, or because they are unable to make a large number of missiles that are "objects" that can be shot at aircraft individually, and to store them in the narrow space of the ship. I thought it might be because there wasn't one.
@@user-sl6pc6nz9e sounds like plot armor to me, even if its heavily armored a rock can only take blows from a sledge hammer so many times. Plus attacking from the bottom is a viable strategy from the video.
@@PromptHorizon12viable but the bottom is armed with launchers of its own, but they’re going to have to be fast yet capable of sustaining assaults at such a location since Yamato is rather maneuverable for something its size.
Three things i noticed; why are the AA's firing like a Stalin Organ? Why aren't the lasers overheating? Why aren't the AA batteries compartmentalized with independent targeting? Like the auto turrets in Starfield.
Why wouldn't they fire like that? Why would they overheat from these firing durations? How do you know how the guns are targeted and how they calculate firing solutions? And why are you being pointlessly pedantic about trivial questions for a sci-fi anime? You're wasting your own time, and not even attempting to consider why any of those things my appear the way they do.
@@scgunship 2202 just felt stupid. Look, here's a threat! and then it is defeated so here is bigger threat! and repeat until fighting massive enemy sphere of doom apparently.
とにかく現実の大和の最後のハリネズミの様な対空防御をこんな風に扱うとは感動しました。
しかし大和を攻撃したアメリカの艦載機群は容赦なく、砲身が溶けるほどの機銃掃射でも防御する
事は不可能だったのを何かで読んだ者としては、こうあって欲しいという願望を具現化したアニメは
大和への愛と敬意が溢れた作品です。
史実ではどの米軍機も穴だらけになってましたが重要箇所の防御力の高さ
で撃墜までには至らなかったんですよね。
しかしアメリカのボフォースパクって装備してれば200機以上撃墜できたのにな・・・
@@user-fe5xl3eu5d そこなんですよね…勝敗を分けたのはVT管ではなく
砲本体のスペック差が大きかったらしいですね。ボフォースの機関砲はまだまだ現役だから恐ろしいです
物量に勝るアメリカ軍に囲まれ徹底的に押しつぶされていく大和の姿は何と表現するのが正しいか分かりませんが、悲しかったです。
@@taroyamada6936 ちと話が変わりますが、日本の零戦を戦後米軍が向うで生産した純度の高いハイオクタンを入れた所、恐ろしい機動性を出した実話が・・・
戦前から日本にあの航空燃料を生産で来ていれば初期の零戦でヘルキャットや中後期のマスタングすら鴨にできたのに・・
このパルスレーザーの口径ってほとんどが127mmだから現用駆逐艦の主砲と同じ口径のものをとんでもない速度でばら撒いてると考えたら凄まじいよな
弾速もさることながら威力もなかなかあるのが恐ろしいところ
宇宙空間でのミサイルがもしも現実のものよりも強固でないといけないならそれこそ現代の対空兵装の射撃数より遥かに少なく処理できそう
127mmなのか…やばすぎ…人に当たったら骨さえ残らなさそうだぜ！
@@f6p47k5 その前に熱量でｼﾞｭﾜｯと消滅
それがレーザーだからな
@@user-oo2fi4gy5nうわぁ…
宇宙に資材が落ちてる訳じゃないのにボロボロになっても修理してなんだかんだで直ってるヤマトすき
オムシスで様々な…有機物を使って食料とか素材とか製造できたんちゃうっけ
艦内工場で無い物も作れる設定だった様な?😅
@@HANWATETUできるのはできるけど途中の話で足りなくなったから反乱起こったけど補給等済ませたり…してるね。
確か撃沈させたガミ公の宇宙戦艦の残骸を使って補修しているらしい
元々散弾みたいなコンセプトの対空砲vs対空砲を弾く装甲ミサイル
A shotgun PDC.
Also, there are systems for having the missile avoid AA fire, like in the Expanse.
対メガルーダ戦辺りから敵艦に対しても撃つようになって面白くなった。
戦艦比叡は第三次ソロモン沖海戦の時に米艦隊からそういう風に多数の小中口径砲弾を雨あられと浴びて、ほぼ戦闘能力を失った。
こうみてると2202ではパルスレーザーの火力と射程と密度が高すぎる
これだけ射程と密度があるなら2199の七色星団戦も苦労しなかったろうに…
3年経っているので改良型に換装してると思いますよ。実際opでは改装風景だったんで
@@mizomizo718 七色で信じられないほどボコボコにされてその戦訓として対空強化に注力したんだろうなぁ
波動砲艦隊も航空機による艦隊防空ではなく拡散やらショックフィールド砲やらあの手この手で個艦防御に努めていたようだし
When I first saw the show back in the day, I didn't know the history of the ship, why they had to recover it from the bottom of the ocean. But now that I know the history, I can see some of these scenes as fanciful retellings of battles of the pacific war.
they have fantasy for this ship even though it's not working in real world.
@@jkmsonmusicYamato was not discovered yet back in the OG series' run. Though the remake made it look like an old shipwreck.
@@jkmsonmusic it was not " not working" it was lack of fuel and support. and you were watch sci-fi cartoon and blame
about "fantasy" lol
@@t.gchannel4067 It's AA guns definitely weren't performing at a level anyone would have called "working".
Japan has a habit of making 'alt' history of the pacific war were they either win 'honorably' and never do war crime and paint the Americans as either evil or the losers
単艦にしてはえげつない量の防空火器だ
Look for original specs for ww2 Era ship weapons. Yes, this is a lot, but not by much.
@@watthedeuce6456ну в том то и дело что их мало. Ни тебе промежуточных колибров ни противоракет только автопушки.
艦底から攻めないのが、武士の情け😅
なお艦底部は装甲ガチガチなため、基本攻撃を食らってもへっちゃら
というよりミサイル配備されてないのかな?🤔
Loved the live action version of this.
今後のリメイクでは2202のような同じ射線でただばら撒くだけでなく、2199のときのようにしっかり目標を狙う場合と弾幕を張る場合とをしっかり使い分けて欲しい
2202があんな感じだったのは乗組員の練度不足やで。
監督が違うだけで、攻撃シーンのプロセスが雲泥の差2202は糞作品
2202年にもなって、射手がいるのか？ 追尾は手動なのか？
新作では2199の時のCiwsみたいな魅せ方をしてほしいと思う
2202のばら撒きは、弾幕を張り続ける意味では非常に効果的だと個人的には考えます。
ノイ・デウスーラ戦での物質移送機による全方位攻撃、ゴーランド艦隊の圧倒的多数のミサイル、ニードルスレイブ・イーターIの無数の波状攻撃など、ガミラス戦役と比べて多数の弾幕を迅速に相手にしなきゃいけない場面が多いので、ばら撒きによる弾幕の方が精密射撃より効果的といえましょう。
i loved watching this (original air)when i was a child!!!
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- this started my life long love of anime from the late '70's onward!!!
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What is the show called??? I want to watch the whole thing
旧帝国海軍の戦艦「大和」にもこれだけの対空火力を装備させてあげたかった。
「大和」は、対空火器の数だけは段々増やしたのですが、射撃指揮装置がお粗末だったため、命中率はメチャクチャ悪かったそうです。防空駆逐艦だった、秋月型も、命中率はアメリカ海軍の通常型駆逐艦だった、フレッチャー級よりもずっと悪かったとか😢
@@user-dt2sw4xl5w アメリカの射撃指揮装置がチート過ぎただけで日本の命中率は並み程度だよ
@@user-dt2sw4xl5w性能を十分に引き出せてないのに8割くらい攻撃外させてる時点で十分優秀だと思うんですけど…
松田千秋提督が伊勢､日向の両艦長に仕込んだ対空戦術を連合艦隊に水平化できていれば、多少は違ったかもしれない。
Looks like they finally got Yamato's AA guns to do their job.
That’s because they outfitted her with American AA guns! Though I can’t help but wonder what would’ve happened if she was given flak shells for her main batteries as well as the fusion shells.
There's not such a thing as aircraft in space. You'd call them point defense.
@@user-si5ik5xf3m The Yamato wasn't built with point defense. It was built with AA.
@@benjamintherogue2421You are arguing semantics.
@@Hibbidyhai I'm responding to someone arguing semantics.
More 75mm for less 127mm could have done the trick in protection. The shear number of fire could have wiped many targets, even without the use of proximity munitions.
Is this a reference.
@@robertungsod691 Something from an engineer.
@@WolfeSaber9933 👍
The machine gun battery is for the sake of a reference
despite everything SBY is a space opera.
@@sunrisejackdaw1779 Then why do books that talk about the engineer for the craft exist for space operas?
The visual style of the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica definitely owed something to this.
Other way around, the BSG remake came out years before this one did.
Realistically, what we're seeing here is a very WW2 in space sort of look, and BSG very much had it's own thing.
@@Summersong2262 Yeah some of the top down shots look similar to BSG but there's only so many ways you can film a space battle I suppose.
i am curious if they are classified as CIWS or normal AA with random target aiming system because from the way it works it looks like a CIWS but in massive placements and close to each others lmao
ciws and aa are the same.
These are mostly for dramatic effect; they would probably be more precise but it looks impressive and reminds of the old fashioned machine guns.
Yeah. CIWS is capable of AA and can even engage surface targets, mainly small vessels, but I wouldn't trust its ai (near civilian craft that is😅)
This is a fantasy re-telling of history, and so I doubt these guns in the minds of the writer are quite as good at CIWS. That said, I remember my Dad's company working on the first phalanx systems back in the day. It could have been the early 80's, it's been a long time.
@@undeadcommando5983if you want realism, then watch the expanse
I mean it's sci-fi, so who knows, but in real life, they're positioned the way secondary batteries would be. Which COULD be used for AA work at medium ranges. But the Yamato and most other naval vessels also had smaller clusters of dedicated AA guns which would have fired at a very high rate of fire.
The turrets we see here are a bit of a weird mix. They might well have just called them 'secondary turrets' or something and the software they used could be used for both purposes.
OMG I ran home from school (80's) every day to watch Star Blazers. I'm in love with this new adaptation/remake.
かっこいいけど、宇宙戦艦としては下部にも火器をつけたいところ、
でも俺はこのフォルムが大好きだ
Man. Those AA guns aren’t really that efficient huh
02:10 always love that scene, Yamato drift
아마토 대공포 진짜 멋있음 ㅋㅋㅋ
すぐに壊れるけどすぐに復活する
Star Blazers - grew up with that show.
Surely the battle itself is not realistic at all (having the tech for flying spaceships and still using outdated WWII style weapons), but it's a fictional anime inspired by WWII naval battles so it's cool
Your AA gunners/systems need a complete overhaul/retraining if they have a 90+% miss rate against targets going straight towards you with no evasive maneuvers. Yamato was an amusing show, but god damn a lot of it is infuriating.
a little awkward that the front 40% of the ship has no point defense cover....
Just... turn around a little?
Well, it is modelled after a battle ship and this is generally how their AA bateries are organised.
Interesting how 4 current CWIS systems are better than future AA space guns.
Except CWIS run out of ammo too quickly.
@@demoskunk nahh what if those CIWS fires the same laser AA like in the Yamato also space Yamato AA batteries suck at targeting missiles and aircraft like it's maned old WW2 AA guns relaying on heavy wall of laser to take it down.
This pleases the Pew Pew parts of my reptile brain
atleast this Yamato's AA somewhat works well XD
パルスレーザーって護衛艦やパトロール艦の主砲と同口径なんだよね
ミサイル攻めって大和の最後
みたいに見えるな
船底付近にも数問欲しいなぁっと思いました(小並感)
門
WW2 naval battles in space... ^^
そろそ対空波動砲。。。ぇ
美しい
1:00 my Scifi Space Battle infused Mind thinks of the expanse. Roccinante vs. Protogen Stealthship...if you know
right there with you lol!
Why doesnt it have guns on the bottom?
Even in a Sci-Fi setting anti-aircraft guns suck ass.
The Expanse has more accurate guns.
It's like the AA guns are maned like in the old WW2 AA guns
左舷彈幕太薄了
Jesus look at that plot armour just tank a ram like its nothing.
ハリネズミみたいに全面パルスレーザーだらけにしたらいいのにね
ファランクスに改装すれば良いのにね？🤔
@@user-dp9mk5lp4cバルスレーザーは言ってしまえばファランクのひ孫みたいなもんですよ
よっしゃ最終決戦仕様にしよう！（波動エンジンしぬぅ！）
why there is burning Flame and smoke in space?
donde lo puedo ver completo?
so wish i could find this in english dub n its entirety from story start to story finish!!!
I saw it last year on Crunchy Roll. I am not sure if its still there.
大気中とよくわからない星間物質漂う宇宙空間では流石に勝手が違うのか精度が微妙な対空砲火
ミサイルによる迎撃をしないのは物的資源を対空するたび消費していられないからなのだろうか
Oh, they do use missiles. This is just a clip of the AA battery.
The ship has a full broadside of launchers, another eight on the keel, six more in the smokestack and six at both ends.
There are maybe too *many* missiles on the ship if anything...
@@sunrisejackdaw1779 Yes, this ship is loaded with an incredible number of torpedoes, missiles, and depth charges. However, most of them are huge models designed to attack enemy ships or bases, rather than small missiles that attack aircraft. The reason why Yamato does not shoot missiles at aircraft is because the missiles are rendered ineffective by substances in space that they do not know about, or because they are unable to make a large number of missiles that are "objects" that can be shot at aircraft individually, and to store them in the narrow space of the ship. I thought it might be because there wasn't one.
ヤマトが建造された最初期コンセプトが、単独での一年間無補給の航海を想定しており、ミサイルや魚雷などの一度使えばそれ以降の補充が出来無い実弾を節約するため、エネルギー供給だけである程度賄えるこの手の光学兵器が重宝されているのだと思います。
射角的に厳しい艦首艦尾方向から接近してくる敵性航空機やミサイルなどの脅威目標には、対空砲弾やミサイルで対応するシーンもありますが。(グリーゼ581時のデスラー魚雷やガトランティスとの初接触時のデスバテーター)
Обожаю это аниме
この未来の時代なのに、１つもコンピューター制御のミサイルが〜無い！
Nebulus Fleet comand gameplay
so... whats stopping them from attacking from the bottom ?
The bottom of the Yamato is extremely sturdy.
It can serve as a shield against enemy attacks or land on any terrain.
@@user-sl6pc6nz9e sounds like plot armor to me, even if its heavily armored a rock can only take blows from a sledge hammer so many times. Plus attacking from the bottom is a viable strategy from the video.
@@PromptHorizon12viable but the bottom is armed with launchers of its own, but they’re going to have to be fast yet capable of sustaining assaults at such a location since Yamato is rather maneuverable for something its size.
忘記開防護罩
flying yamato
Three things i noticed; why are the AA's firing like a Stalin Organ? Why aren't the lasers overheating? Why aren't the AA batteries compartmentalized with independent targeting? Like the auto turrets in Starfield.
Stop it bro, stop it, just enjoy...
Why wouldn't they fire like that? Why would they overheat from these firing durations? How do you know how the guns are targeted and how they calculate firing solutions?
And why are you being pointlessly pedantic about trivial questions for a sci-fi anime? You're wasting your own time, and not even attempting to consider why any of those things my appear the way they do.
Title please
ピタットハウスに手付け金を持ち逃げされました。
海戦というより、基本、航空機同士の戦いなんだよね。
なら、それを下敷きに、できてるのかなあ、疑問符。
メダルーサ級しばいてるのやば
what is the title of this anime?
Space battleship yamato
Нижняя часть корабля вообще не защищена. Если-бы нападающие заходили снизу они были бы неуязвимы.
下はミサイル発射口があります
Well yes, but this is modtly world war 2 in space with strange rocket weapons and glowing bullets so not to worry.
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Wtf accuracy!!!!
大和终于在动漫里弥补了现实中的因防空不足而被击沉
NETFLIX上可以看到嗎?
あんなクソデカいミサイル、一発でお終いな気がするが、そこはヤマトなんで沈まない。
とりあえず新しいヤマトは数分しか見てないので、そろそろまとめて見てみようかな。
ヤマトは単艦だからこそ限られた部品で作られているので全性能は全宇宙戦艦の中でもトップクラスの盾であり槍なんだ
まぁ波動防壁あるし
波動防壁＋矛と盾のような構造もしてるから硬いのよな…
@@user-dn7kc6sm4p しかもただ硬い装甲だけじゃなくて水をシャーベット状にして特殊装甲を形成したり、潜水艦のような耐圧装甲
2202ではマグネトロンプロームにより更に装甲が追加された
Plot armor and ammunition is unlimited 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
laser bullets
Llegue más rápido ⌛ que misil hipersonico 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀 Ruso 🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺
А что мешает быстрым мелким нападать на крупную цель туда где нет защиты 360 %( с низу ) ? А вы это хаваете ?деградация ?😂
Space World War 2. It is for the sake of the reference to old ship design.
今でいうＣＩＷＳ？？
ヤマトと現代戦闘艦が戦うとすれば、ヤマトは相手に当てる必要すらない。
航空機や戦闘艦の付近を陽電子砲で2斉射すれば、ガンマ線と熱でハイパーニュートロンビーム戦ができる
被弾する度 犠牲者出てるの？
時々被弾するパルスレーザー砲や主砲にも人はいるからねぇ…
確実に人がいるところに被弾したら犠牲者は出るのでは？
@@user-li9ui2cv2g
作品としてこのような戦闘シーンでも味方（名も無きモブ）の死はある前提として描かれてるのか気になりまして
@@user-op8rz1ef7l 第三艦橋ぶっ飛ばされた時はモブ達の宇宙葬やってたからしっかりある
at 0:18 what r the names of the jets or planes
DMB87 〈スヌーカ〉
Irl or in universe? Cause, irl they kinda look like a hybrid of the F4 phantom and the F4U Corsair.
@@lmcg9904 In universe, and the Stuka also had a gull wing to it, which is the inspiration for the DMB87s.
@@WolfeSaber9933 I completely forgot about the Stuka not gonna lie. Whoops
CIWS
yamato? hwhere is hellcat, avemger , corsair?
3:02 como se llama anime
Space Battleship Yamato
太妖獸了，敵人就像當時二戰的美軍戰機一樣，怎麼攻擊都沒用
ワープ使えるから強いよね ガンダムはもっと未来だけどワープ使えないね 下手したら ufoより弱い
ガンダム世界には真田さんが居ないからね、
ワープ使えなくてもあっちもあっちでバグだし、SEED見ると尚更同等とは言えないけど強強なんよな。（て言うかあちらも映画見るとなんか真田さんみたいのが既にいるし…）
宇宙空間におけるミサイルと魚雷の違いって何なのだろう？
なぜ？下から攻撃しない？
真上と真下フフフ､もろいモノよのぅ｡成功を祈る･･･
真下にも一応対空迎撃ミサイルあるんだよな…(潜水艦モードの時撃ったやつ、真上にも角度が付いているが煙突SAMがある
Space opera asthetics.
し、下のお口はらめぇ〜
旧ヤマトはわからないですけど、2199からのヤマトは武装の少ない船体下部の装甲が強化されているので、下からの攻撃では決定打を与えられないからかと
Я понял, главный калибр фигня, главное вспомогательный. Зачем тогда линкоры, лучше уж броненосцы, правда не понял.
『大和』である以上は仕方ないけど、船腹にもつけろよと思ってしまう
Cómo se llama el Anime.???
2199は武器を使用する時、しっかりそのプロセスを見せてくれるシーンがあるし、その用途がきちんと武器別に描かれているのに2202は漠然と大雑把な武器の連射ばかりで見せ方がつまらない。艦載機の発進シーンも2199はガミラス軍も含めて素晴らしかったが2202は手抜き感なのか監督の力量不足なのかまとめて見ると落差が激しい。
2202 ran out of budget it seems, it all went to rendering the gigantic amount of ships on screen during the EDF vs Gatlantis part.
@@scgunship
2202 just felt stupid. Look, here's a threat! and then it is defeated so here is bigger threat! and repeat until fighting massive enemy sphere of doom apparently.
You people are so insufferable
防空=死
What
That’s not Yamato
Musashi then?
2차대전때 제대로 싸워보지도 못하고 침몰한 야마토 전함의 한을 애니로 풀어제낀 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
These people have not played Children Of A Dead Earth!! They duking it out like it’s the 1700s!!
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艦長がイチイチ対空防御とか言わないと対空防御しないのかな？知らんけど、、
こういうのは連携が重要ですので勝手な行動は連携を乱すためより効果的にするためだと思われます
まぁ実際の海軍もそうですし
일본이 이런 내용으로 만화영화를 만든다는게 어이가 없지....
弾幕弱いよ
弾幕薄いよ！！何やってんの！！
ブライトさん😅
昭和のオリジナルのほうが面白いのは何故でしょう😂
人によるだろ
ミレニアムまではいかんよ
ヤマト世界の艦艇は比較的誰でもバレルロール出来る性能持ってるからね
どういうことだ…？
現代でさえ100発100中で当たるのにこの命中精度は怠慢
流石に百発百中は無理でしょ・・・
ファランクスの様な使い方の近接防御兵装なのでばら撒く使い方は間違っていないのでは？
It's not meant to be realistic
It reminds viewer of old aa machine gun barrage, without flak explosion as this is The Future, of course.
100発100中は無理です。
もし可能なら、短距離防空用に開発された短SAMやRAMは存在価値を失います。
この相対速度ならイージス艦の5inch砲は100発100中だろ
They seem to have a very limited arc of fire
В реальности этот кусок металлолома потонул за 10 минут от жалких американских истребителей.
Yamato...? 😆😆😆I believe the Japanese have not yet overcome the torments of the Second World War.
They held that thing to a high regard. A mirror to how the U.S holds regards to the ship named “Enterprise”
というより、敵の航空機接近し過ぎだろ、人名を尊重してもっと長射程ミサイル配備してあげたらいいのにね!!😂
目視距離まで近づいてミサイルを発射する幼稚な戦闘
アニメにそれ言っちゃダメよ、、
これが 戦闘なんだよ 安全な場所から
ミサイル発射するのは 臆病者
ガンダムは？(笑)
@@6363sbcガンダムはミノ粉あるから
雷撃隊をイメージしてるし仕方ないのでは？ミサイル技術は発達してない世界線なんですよきっと。