If you think about it, OG Tinkerbell's personality was accurate with the fae lore. The Fae folk are known for being mischiveous, cruel and never have to real your real name to them, so almost sending Wendy and Jane almost to their death makes more sense to her flaws.
@@TheArtisticAloubellSomething tell me what you said about tink’s jerkishness and sunset simmer’s redemption arc tells me you don’t like characters who lack any jerkiness(who are nice since you see these traits as just having FLAWS)
@@PGbutalsofourteenplus oh no, I like sweet characters too! Sunset just bothers me because her jerky qualities were zapped out of her with the friendship laser without naturally leaving or having a remnant. I know they fixed this later on with Forgotten Friendship, but for a while, she lost her edge seemingly unnaturally.
The sequel of Peter Pan (animated) is severely underrated. Jane was far away from childish daydreams but as she grew as a person and actually cared for tink, tink's admiration can be seen through and through. That's what a charcter should be. With proper build up and role in the story does a character is established. To think that tink, a major character in Peter Pan was given such less attention in the adaptations feels wrong.
I do agree that Tinkerbells attitude was toned down in the tinker bell films, but I really love the second film the lost treasure. She was low key impatient and a bit of an asshole to the people trying to help her (Terrance and Blaze) even blaming them for mistakes that tink made. I feel this movie shows Tinkerbell’s character the best.
I like Tinker Bell animated movies though. I wish they focus more on those animated movies and Pixie Hollow than remaking Peter Pan. Plus, what I love about the Tinker Bell animated series was the interactions and friendships between Tinker Bell, Silvermist, Iridessa, Rosetta, Vidia, Fawn, Periwinkle, and Zarina. And the Tinker Bell movies did diversity right than most modern movies.
Oh I like those movies too! I just prefer the old personality and characterization of Tink than the one in those movies. The movies are still great, though!
Those movies are awesome. Tinkerbell's not perfect but she gets character development from those movies. Not saying she was a bad character in the Peter Pan movies, I'm just saying that we got to know more about her in the Pixie Hollow movies than what we hear translated from Peter My favorites are Lost Treasure,Great Fairy Rescue and Secret of the Wings
It's odd for the Peter Pan and Wendy Tink being casted as a POC, and yet her role/personality is diminished to "the magic getter/provider". That's a little questionable in its own right. As for Disney's Pixie Hollow series, I remember watching a few of the movies- and while Tink is different from the 50s/02 movie, you really have a point there. A well-written character, even if different in depictions, is better than a poorly written one.
Imagine at all Disney parks around the world, Periwinkle will be introducing the new black Tink to the children as her sister. It will be an awkward moment when the kids will start asking how did it happen.
I absolutely loved the Tinker Bell movies/the Pixie Hollow series. My favorite movie was Secret of the Wings because of my favorite type of relationship dynamic there was. I also enjoyed Return to Neverland more than the prequel as well, and I can’t wait to see your video on that when you get there.
The worst aspect in my opinion was Wendy. Wendy is supposed to be this romantic, gentle, maternal figure to her brothers which is why she's brought to Neverland in the first place by Wendy to serve as a mother to the Lost Boys but there's none of that in this one. No, instead they turn her into an overly aggressive, rude, bratty pain in the butt who has all the emotional maturity of a 5-year-old. Now, I don't mind giving her more agency, but they couldn't even keep the core of her basic character intact and I don't understand why? Is there something wrong with a girl being traditionally girly? Can a girl not be her own person unless she's swinging a sword? As for Tinker Bell and Peter, I think an interesting change would be Tinker Bell was the one who raised Peter in Pixie Hollow after he fell out of his pram and she loves him in a maternal way. However, Peter, especially after seeing he was essentially replaced by his biological mother with his younger brother, always craved having a human mother and wanted Wendy to be her. This is why Tinker Bell hates Wendy in this version since she had been the one to raise Peter before he could walk and taught him how to fly in the first place and believes Wendy is trying to steal her child from her. Eventually, though Wendy and Tink start to bond over their shared love for their family and Peter learns to appreciate Tinker Bell as his mother and apologizes to her for being so ungrateful.
Traditional feminism/girliness isn't "in" nowadays. EVERY GIRL needs to be a girl boss...thanks, I hate it. And your idea for Tink/Peter/Wendy sound SO much better than what we got TT_TT
@@TheArtisticAloubell I know...Even if it makes no sense and could get in the way of a better story. Thank you. It goes with Wendy's arc, which also acts as a bit of a deconstruction to her archetype where upon seeing the mess she and her brothers made in their room, her father thinks it's time to send Wendy off to a finishing school where they'll teach her to be a proper lady. This terrifies Wendy since she'll be away from her brothers and will have to learn to be a grown-up, so when Peter offers to take her and her brothers to Neverland, she jumps at the chance. However, Peter wants Wendy to be the Lost Boys' mother, which at first she believes is an easy task but finds it to be much more challenging than she thought, especially with how childish everyone else is being while she's the one stuck with all the heavy lifting. She thinks about her parents more often and wonders if they ever feel like this. Eventually, she gains a new appreciation for all the things her parents do and starts to feel bad for putting more work on them to the point she wants to go home with John and Michael.
The problem that 2023 and direct-to-video Tinker Bell suffers from is mascotification. All of her faults and edge have been smoothed off in the name of making her as appealing as possible. It’s the same problem that Mickey has suffered from for years now. 🧚♀️
Y'know what the weirdest part of this remake? Peter Pan doesn't understand Tinkerbell He's always been able to understand her in previous adaptions,so it makes no sense here even for a Disney remake
I loved how you mentioned return to neverland. (Best Disney sequel that more people need to see) I also really appreciate how you touched on tinkerbells jealousy and how you even brought up peters concern for tinkerbell. I fell like that really helps bring up both characters arcs from the previous movie as it connects to the ending scene of Peter Pan where tinkerbell sacrifices herself for Peter. Which then Peter choses tinks safety over Wendys and the lost boys, compared to the beginning of the film where he just straight up banishes her. The mention of Peter caring for tinkerbell really shows development within the characters and how this time in return to Neverland, peter not only understands tinkerbell a bit better but he also sacrificed himself for tinkerbell instead by trying to save her from Janes disbelief.
2003's Peter Pan got Tink's personality better than the remake... It even explains that Tink wasn't all bad. Sometimes she was all good, but fairies are so small that they can only feel 1 emotion at a time. Also, I like Hook's Tinkerbell
Right?! It's like with the "live action" Lion King movie. Trying to make a realistic movie based off a movie with expressive, singing animals and sky ghosts was dumb.
Why are all the Disney movies so dark and dull now? No wonder Tink doesn't glow. That would mess with the darkness filter mandated to be put on all these movies.
LOl I guess you have a point. The only reason they're crapping all these live action remakes out one after another, is because of the "aesthetic" and apparently they think that younger audiences won't go see colorful and light movies as much, because they probably like the dullness better. Like, I saw a clip from the live action Little mermaid and it was SO STUPID because they kept the cartoony song and singing crab, even though it was all dark and dull. It looked ridiculous. Like, if they're going to make it look more dark and dull, then make it suit the mood by making it more serious instead of a silly crab. -If they wanted to make a better remake they could be creative and be different from the original by swapping the singing crab with a tough tomboy pirate friend-
Another great video, Aloubell. Great job on the artwork. 🧚🏼 The people behind this movie were seriously asking how Tink glowing would be 'realistic', when she's a fairy that makes others fly with Pixie dust? I was never going to see Peter Pan & Wendy (or any other live action remake), but this and everything else I've heard has ensured I never will. For the Tinkerbell movie series, I do agree that Tinkerbell doesn't fully match her movie personality, but as you said, I can understand wanting to make her a more appealing protagonist. I personally consider them to be their own separate thing and enjoy them as that, so the canon is not disrupted. Also, I'm biased because that Tinkerbell, and all of the main Pixie Hollow girls, were among my first crushes (they still are).
"wanting to make her a more appealing protagonist." problem is that Tinkerbell was already a great, appealing character, her being spicy and having an edge is what made her so beloved in the first place. this was supposed to be set in the same canon.
Did you ever read the Pixie Hollow books? They made Tinker Bell...pretty similar to the newer, more tame version of her (as far as I remember). But they made a whole series of dozens of books starring her and all her friends. It includes the fairies from the movies (including Vidia. She has her own book), as well as a bunch of other fairies I wish made it into the films. You should check them out because they're really cute!
I havent read the books--perhaps I will one day! I saw some of the covers during research for this review. Very interesting how it stars different fairies than in the movies! I appreciate that Vidia is still there, though X3
🧚♀️ My favorite of the Pixie Hollow series is probably a tie between Secret of the Wings and The Pirate Fairy. It’s a shame that any planned movies after the sixth one were cancelled.
I'll like to know, what it's the point of those new live action movies from Disney? Pinocchio doesn't transform in a real boy, Ariel doesn't want to love, what will be with this new Peter Pan? Great video, Aloe!
@@TheArtisticAloubell Yep, they release the novel from the movie, and love isn't the point for Ariel, so, they're not only missing the point, they're doing something really bad for a purpose for it.
@@TheJosu145 umm, at the end of the new Pinocchio film, you can see his legs starting to look more like a human so it is implied that he did turn into a real boy
🧚You have no idea how confused I got throughout Peter and Wendy. Only going to see it once. I mean this Tink seems...nice but I mean she's so motherly to everyone and sass is very tone down. And you made a great point about how Peter should care for Tink like the 1950 one depicted. And for the Disney Fairies, many good films and my favorite is the last one too. Personally, I have liked the books, specifically on one water fairy Rani, the only fairy with no wings. Had really hoped she would of been included in the line up being kinda disable and all. Oh yeah, and this other book series the Never Girls are really fun read. Do you think you could review the books as well?
I love Tinker Bell and Vidia's relationship in the Tinker Bell movies. In The Great Fairy Rescue, Vidia is so guilt ridden with getting Tink captured, you feel for the Fast-Flyer. And then she risks everything to save Tink, which causes Tink to return the favour. And did I mention the hug they share after Vidia is saved? Aww! Secret of the Wings doesn't give us as much, but there is one detail I love. Periwinkle's wings were going to break because they got too warm, so they use the snow machine to get her back to Winter. Tinker Bell goes under it, naturally, because Periwinkle's her sister, but she can't carry Peri alone. So who goes under the snow machine with her? Vidia. As a fast flyer, her wings are *essential* for her talent. Vidia was willing to risk that to help Periwinkle? She really HAS grown from The Great Fairy Rescue. And when Tink is upset that she and Peri have to part ways, Vidia tries to comfort her by gently telling her to go home. In The Pirate Fairy, I love that Vidia ended up with Tinker Bell's talent. Tink is just gobsmacked and Vidia's reaction is priceless. And when Vidia finally gets her tinker talent under control, Tink is impressed. I haven't seen Never Beast, but I should watch it.
🧚♂️I like both Tinkerbells from the pixie hollow movies and the original Disney Peter Pan movie. But the Tinkerbell from the Peter and the star catchers books is my favorite. Also love your artwork of Tinkerbell.
3D Tink is basically Areil. I get it they had to tone her down to make her a main character. I miss those movies they are pretty good. I see those movies as an alternate universe.
I honestly would've loved to see spicy OG Tink in the Pixie Hollow movies, although that definitely wouldn't have worked very well for a children's movie protagonist. I don't know about other kids, but tiny me ignored the character arcs in movies and wanted to be exactly like pre-character development protagonists. I definitely would have tried to take over Tink's bad traits. Still, the Pixie Hollow movies are my favorites, considering I never saw the OG movie and grew up with Tink's series. I do love the little moments when a bit of Tink's original personality gets to shine through. Like the conflict she has in the second movie where I remember the entire problem of the movie being created by Tink snapping. Also, sidenote, I have an extra soft spot for the Secret of the Wings movie. I didn't really see it as a kid, but Periwinkle character-wise feels very close to myself and I adore her. I also had a book as a kid on the world of Pixie Hollow. It's so much fun. I need more of these bits of lore on places in Neverland. It just adds so much depth to it.
There's one thing that I don't like about the first Tinker Bell movie, at the end of the film we see Tinkerbell returning the music box to a little girl, SPOILER that little girl was Wendy. That part makes no sense because it ruins the time line. In the Peter Pan 1953, the narrator tells us that Mary, aka Wendy's mother, believes that Peter Pan is the spirit of youth, that means that she already knows about him, and let's not forget at the end George, aka the father, said so himself *"You know, I have the strangest feeling that I've seen that ship before. A long time ago, when I was very young"* What does this tells us? It tells us that Peter Pan stories were around for a long time that George and Mary, have already heard about them during their childhood and possibly might have seen him. And when they grew up, got married and had children aka Wendy, John, and Michael, they told them about Peter Pan's adventures. So I'm sorry to say this, but whomever decided to show Wendy on the Tinker bell movie was an idiot, cause that would mean she is what, 6 or 7 yrs old, and has no idea who Peter Pan is cause, he doesn't exist yet, which also means her mother doesn't know anything about him either. And as they kept making films after films of TB, it seams like time is passing by because the fairies need to prepare the seasons every year, so if I have to take a wild guess, I say it could have been like 4 to 5 years, Wendy should be now around 10 to 12 yrs old, so around that time she would have met Peter Pan and the events of the movie already happening. But I guess since this was a children's movie, they won't care about those minor little details, well jokes on them cause those minor little details bothered me since I was a child😑 At this point, I am just going to imagen that the Tinker Bell franchise is a separate story from the original Disney's Peter Pan 1& 2 movies, cause the inconsistencies in the timelines really pisses me off even till now😒 Anyway, Aloubell I agree with everything you said about the lame live action Peter Pan, and that they wasted Tinker Bells character, heck I didn't even watch the mvoie because I knew it was going to be bad. Can't wait for your next video. May God bless you🙏🏽🧚🏽♀️
OH MY GOODNESS THATS SUCH A GREAT POINT! I never noticed that before haha They did screw up the timeline. In that case, yeah! This is definitely a different Tinkerbell than the OG film!
I personally never cared about the race swap as tink is a mystical creature in a mystical world where there isn't any real world culture that would be taken away (exept for some reason the indians) but i do have a problem with her being NICE to Wendy seeing that is basically the start of the entire conflict in the first movie and it's such a weird thing to change. I never noticed she didn't glow until you pointed it out which also makes no sense because i always asumed she glows because she is covered in (or possibly is made out of) pixie dust. There was a plot point where we find out hook used to be peter's friend and it would've been so easy to say he met tink in the story or saved her once or something like that. This movie is just executed in the worst way possible with pretty much everything I swear-
Missing three of Tink's main THINGS is just painful: her glow, her chaos, and her bond with Peter. The writers wanted to be too nice and didn't want a flawed, problematic woman of color in the movie, so she just had to be super nice and...out of the way...ugh. Give me back chaotic Tink >__
I’m just gonna say it!! Disney should have just made more Pixie Hollow movies,or even a TV series instead of.... Whatever this was! (Fun fact,they were originally gonna make 2 more movies centering on Iridesaa and Rosetta but after the Neverbeast movie (forgot the actual name,Oops!!😅)flopped,they pretty much canned any and all future movies. Kinda dumb if you ask me that they assume just because one movie flopped, they should stop making them -Another fun fact: This is also why DreamWorks stopped making 2d movies).
A series would have been cool! Silvermist, Rosetta, and Iridessa DEFINITELY needed their own movies because they seemed vastly underdeveloped compared to the others. Still fun characters, just didn't have the same substance as the others.
It bugs me how Tink being black isn't the problem,the problem is that coincidentally when making her black they also sucked every bit of personality and plot relavance out of her...
When I heard the casting decision, sadly I knew this would happen. Because you just simply can't write a black character that's explosively angry and jealous to the point of attempting to murder a small girl. That would be immediately struck down as a stereotypical, problematic and harmful portrayal. If anything I think it would have been more progressive to recast Wendy and her brothers as black. In keeping with her original characterization she was a kind, loving mature and responsible young lady that Peter Pan falls in love with.
@@marcellacassab4331 sadly then people (mostly actually a bit racist people) would go out of their way to say how inaccurate it is for a black girl and her family to be upper class or whatever... How annoying really that there's always a reason to complain
Not really~ She may or may not have been specifically described in the books, but no official visual was made for her--none that stuck anyway. Everyone interprets Tink differently.
I'm gonna add some interaction and say, Tinkerbell was best in the old movies. I wholeheartedly agree on that point. And it's one of the reasons I don't like the Disney remakes. They strip the old personalities that made these characters iconic, like Mulan's resourcefulness in favor of a chosen one plot with magic Qi power. In five years (if that) no one will remember new Tinkerbell. The glowing ball of sass, jealousy, and homicidal tendencies will always be the one people think of.
I have a question: if Neverland isn't earth and is an entirely seperate realm of reality, is it accurate to say Tinkerbelle is quote on quote 'black'? If Africa does not exist in Neverland and Tink isn't a human, then wouldn't it make more sense to simply say she looks like she could be African or African American or ambigiously brown? Would calling her 'black' in terms of race be accurate? How does race work in a fantasy setting with apperances so close to our world? Speaking as someone who has a pretty diverse cast of faerie OCs I would very much like this explained to me.
I guess she certainly wouldn't be African, but simply to make communication amongst fans and movie goers easier, it's easiest to just call her black or brown skinned. In universe, they don't reference their races or different looks at all, so we just apply our own logic to them. For your own stories, you can come up with a different naming convention 😁
@@TheArtisticAloubell Thanks. I will do that. I mean, I do have a reinvision of the wizard Merlin as a tall elf in victorian clothing but in apperance is Native American. Yes, an elven, victorian-era, native american coded Merlin. I just wanted to spice up the design. And since he isnt human and comes from a seperate realm from outs, he doesn't need to follow the same geographical geniology as with us humans.
🧚♀️ I too refuse to watch Peter Pan and Wendy, but since you mentioned her lack of glow, can I just rant for a second about how dumb and frustrating it is that modern Hollywood live-action movies and even shows just... refuse to do good lighting? Like, if it's a night scene (which nowadays is most scenes), you can't see A THING! It's just as you put it: it looks like the only source of light they used to film is a dying candle. It's especially apparent when you watch during the daytime, and I'm tired of watching movies and not being able to SEE the movie. And it's possible to do this, the Raimi Spider-Man and Lord of the Rings trilogies actually have well-lit night scenes. When did directors/editors/whoever decided that the movies needed to be as literally dark as possible because... edgy? Rant over, just bugs me that's all. 😑 P.S: I too LOVE Return to Neverland (also more than the original), and I'd love to hear you talk about it in a future video for sure! 😍
Yeah, idk why modern movies and remakes feel like "less light" means more fun and engagement for all. Like how adults ONLY like "serious" dreary movies and don't like color and fun. It's frustrating. 😤
They really gave Yara nothing to chew on huh. She also looked... restrained, as if being unable to speak stifled her. Maybe a mute actress (and black, ofc) would have brought passion to the role.
I honestly don't care for Peter pan and I'm definitely more interested in Tinkerbell and her friends in pixie hollow. I love the world building, the characters, the magic, and the lore. I wish that they'd make a reboot of the movies I'd definitely love to see that!
🧚♀️ Hey Aloubell And i also like the tinkerbell series ( my childhood says Hello again ) My Favorite Characters is silvermist , vidia and fawn Anyway Back to the topic: i find the New movie Kind of dark ( not in Story, but in workdbuilding 😒 Neverland is just an normal Island , where is the magic the color? PS : Great video
I've seen highlights of Peter Pan & Wendy and I'd go as far as to say it's an insult. And insult in how it claims to be a "more progressive" version of Peter Pan, when it turned basically the two main characters, Peter and Wendy into blatant jerks. Peter Pan 2003 and Peter Pan: Return to Neverland 2002 were already more progressive takes on the story, and didn't need to take away core personality of the characters to the point of making them unrecognizeable (like Peter's cunning and leadership skills, Tinkerbell's sassiness or Wendy's kind and motherly nature). Disney must stop with these remakes. Aaah, finally someone who loves the Pixie Hollow series !! ❤ I also like The Legend of the Neverbeast. But in my case it's my second favourite. The first is The Secret of the Wings.
I hate the 50's movie as much as I hate the remake, but I know that there's stuff that's wrong with the original book in today's standards as well. I feel like they could have been way more creative with this live action remake though. They're only making these for the aesthetic. Wait until no one cares about the remakes anymore, and people go to see other companies that make better family movies.
@@jocelynecupcake Peter Pan 2003 is what Peter Pan & Wendy should have been, imo. It's creative, it's imaginative, it's full of colour, it has very emotional scenes as well as excellently choreographed action ones, Neverland looks actually fantastic... I like that one better than the 1953 adaptation, to be completely honest. But the 1953 film partially marked my childhood, so I will always have a soft spot for it, even if it's not the best film I've seen.
My grandmother loved Tinkerbell ever since she was little. It's because of that, that I started to love Tinkerbell too. When seeing that Peter Pan and Wendy trailer, I was annoyed cause Disney was gonna ruin another classic movie. Most importantly, I was scared with how they were going to portray tinkerbell. I don't care if she's a different race compared to the 1953 movie, but she's not my tink. It's one of the reasons I just don't have the heart to care for Disney anymore. I just can't stand Disney rewriting the old classics and doing the characters I love dirty. Plus, Disney just does have that spark and family magic that I used to remember loving as I grew up.
@The Artistic Aloubell they did it cause they think that it would make people happy if they got rid of the mistakes they made back when things were different. They changed, alright, but at what cost? Sure, things like with Peter Pan and the Indians or Aristocats and the Chinese thing happened (though to be fair, I didn't get why it was bad now when I didn't think anything was wrong as a kid). I know they want to fix the mistakes they made in the past, but you don't get rid of the things that did make the original good.
@The Artistic Aloubell its why I'm hesitant with the new Wish movie cause I'm not sure what will happen with the movie. I loved Disney, and in some way, I sort of do, but not in the same way I did as a kid. I know it's not the writers fault or even the animators fault for the decisions Disney makes, but it I just can't go back to Disney and forget what Disney had done to ruin the magic of Walt Disney and his legacy.
@@abby-cadabby Gonna be honest, I don't 100% understand why/how the Siamese cats in Lady and the Tramp and The Aristocats are considered racist or offensive. Did Siamese people get offended by them? Did any Asians get offended by them? They seemed harmless and they weren't looking down on any race. Even if it was a stereotype, stereotypes came from reality and some people do live up to the stereotype, so it's no necessarily a bad thing. Same with the Indians. The Indians weren't seen as bad or less than Peter and his friends. They just existed and had their own traditions. And they weren't even based on a real-world tribe so...what's the problem? Disney is trying to fix problems that weren't 100% present. they're trying to appeal to everyone which ends up appealing to almost no one. It's sad to see >___
@The Artistic Aloubell when it comes to how and why Disney is changing to its worst, I'd say 50-60% is on them, and the rest is towards certain people who get a little too sensitive towards things. Whether it's towards the Indians in Peter Pan, getting rid of splash mountain because of Disney not wanting any part with getting people mad because of the movie they did in the late 40s (Song of the South), or with the new live action Lilo and Stitch movie and making such a big deal towards Nani and David's actors and not being correctly accurate compared to the movie (their words not mine).
I'm still watching! 🧚♂ I always feel guilty for not liking new adaptations of Disney movies. Maybe it's internalized racism, and I truly hope it's not, but I feel like not everything needs to be live action. This is animation, after all! Animation ALLOWS for magical, not-real things to fit into the animation's reality. I miss the days of flat animation, but even 3D animation would be better than this to me. You can race-swap and gender swap and whatever THAT way! I just don't need this. It does nothing for my nostalgia, other than a good soundtrack.
I assure you it isn't internalized racism. I'm black and I don't like whats happening either. Disney just kind of lost their magic touch and its sad to see >__
Please don't believe the lies society is telling you, just because you don't enjoy these reboots doesn't make you racist. That's like telling a black vegan they are racist for not eating Popeyes fried chicken.
i love tinkerbell in disney fairies since she's way cooler than her peter pan counterpart but i don't have nothing wrong with tink being black is that i had a problem with ariel being black.
I always thought Tinkerbell had gone though some horrible war in-between her movies and Peter Pan. Where maybe all her friends didn't survive and she was then on her own for a long time, with almost no purpose because the home that gave her purpose was now nothing. Either that- or she accidentally did something to be thrown out of her home. Part of me thinks that maybe she want on some adventure with the pixie dust Fairy that everyone seemed to ship her with, and maybe along the way she met Peter Pan and something happened to the Pixie dust guy and she can't go back home so she now lives with Peter but is just never satisfied- thus her bad temper. (I also might have thought that the pixie dust gut could by magic maybe turned into Peter- but that seems a bit uncanny... 😂)
🧚♀️- I think there’s a hidden meaning with Tinkerbell In the original movie there was a scene Peter throws Wendy somewhere where she couldn’t of been killed and Tinkerbell helps her maybe they should of did more with that maybe adds something with how maybe Tinkerbell helped or safe some people.
They totally could have Tink and her Pixie Hollow friends in the movie. If they really want to change details from the original, adding more fairies is not a lot to do.
I find the 1953 Tinker Bell to be too mean. I hate her! I was bullied a lot, so she's a trigger for me. I loved the Tinker Bell spin-offs, though. I love spin-off Tink much better. It hurts that people love bully characters like original Tink.
I'm super sorry about what you went through! It's totally understandable that you don't like OG Tink. I pray things are better for you now! In Jesus' name Amen ❤️🙏
I agree. It doesn't help that they portray her sassy, bully side as a "comic relief" too. Man, what do you expect from a movie written and directed by men, in a time period when women were seen as objects?
At least the Pixie Hollow/Disney Fairies [book] series got the mermaids right personality-wise: they're still the vain, "only trying to drown her" nymphs I liked from the 1953 movie.
One big thing I hated about the “where does the light come from?” Argument is that, bioluminescence is a thing. THERES YOUR REAL REASON. I was also admittedly making jokes about Tink not lighting up herself, that she’s a black light, and should cause OTHER things to illuminate… and honestly that was more clever than what they did.
Love your discussion of the film! I love the Tinker bell animated movies! They’re all awesome! My favorites are Sextet of the Wings, and The Never Beast, but they’re all great! Love the sequel to the original Peter Pan too.
If I was writing this movie I would have make Tinker Bell stay be jealous of Wendy but not for Peter Pan love but instead it would be because Wendy had took her role she would have to babysit the lost boys when Peter went on fighting with Captain Hook making her take care of them creating friendships and bonds with the lost boys so when Wendy and brothers arrive and when Wendy takes her place she became jealous and do what she did the 1953 film but after time (aka like a couple of weeks/months)She grows to form a bond with Wendy like she did with the lost boys maybe she tries to contrive Peter to let the kids to grown home but Peter won’t aspect and becomes angry at Tinker Bell and he ends up breaking they friend ship and kicks her out making her angry at Peter and want to get revenge at him which ends up with making a deal with Hook and she ends up been betrayed by Peter and be the end Peter Pan ends up taking Wendy and her brothers and the lost boys to they homes.
As a kid I liked Tinkerbell in the pixie hollow movies even though in my netive thoung and german it's just her name but I liked how she talks in those movies as a kid I was bored how we couldn't understand what she was saying 🧚
So I guess Disney is gonna continue making live action remakes of beloved films even though the audience is gonna hate it huh I have a feeling if this keeps up then Disney itself won’t make any recovery soon Let’s just hope they don’t…. (Honestly I should not finish the sentence)
Now I'm curious about your opinions on Hook. Which one could argue is also a live-action Peter Pan. Like, what did you think of the fact the movie delved deeper into Peter's past or what happened to him. Not to mention how Tinkerbell is in that movie. And the fact Peter Pan grew up and had his own kids.
Also extra points for the writers never letting her get away with her jerkiness or get what she wanted! She was definitely shown to be in the wrong and I appreciate the acknowledgement!
With every remake of Peter Pan the OG animation films are the best. I also loved the Pixie hollow movies, but felt like they made her friendlier than she was supposed to be. As for the best real life adaption i think the Peter Pan version with Jeremy Sumpter was the best. Peter & Wendy (latest real life adaption) just sucks, i didn't enjoy watching it, i felt something was wrong and i never rewatched it, all the others i can rewatch like the mini series Pan, Hook (movie), ... .
Unfortunately, I'm not very good at teaching! Also, I still have a lot to learn myself, so I don't feel qualified to teach. Thanks for your interest, though! There are many good tutorials you can find on RUclips as well as DeviantArt!😁
🧚♀️🧚🧚♂️ Hey Aloubell, Did you read the original book? ( if not , I highly recommend it ) also in the book it describes that The Neverland has multiple fairies in many different colors ! I also really like the drawing 💚😆
🧚 First off, no cookies for me this time 🤣(star glimmy hid very well 😂) Secondly awesome chibi-tink! Definitely caught the feisty in her eyes! 👏👏 Annd 3rd haven't seen the movie either, but this current tink really is soooo dull! OG tinker bell and pixie hollow tink, or as I sometimes call her katara-Tink (since she's played by Mae Whitman from Avatar the last Airbender) Are waaay more entertaining! (not to mention the movies and specials they were in) Great job as always, and looking forward for the next upload! 😎👍
Of course! Always a pleasure to watch and comment! 😊😎👍 Annd found her! 🤣 oh my goodness that was clever! I'm surprised I didn't notice it the first time I watched through this 😂
They changed yea but now she has no personalty no fun no entresting or feels magical bruh disney for fck sake stop doing this anymore and gives some orijinal stuff pls
🧚🧚♀️🧚♂️Ok, but I don't have a Disney+ account(so I don't think I'll be able to give a real opinion of it, if I'm unable to watch it), because where I live barely has internet(included that just 5 days ago my house was without electricity, because of a 4 hour blackout)
Personally, I hate the old 1950s Disney Peter Pan, and especially Tinker Bell's design. She's supposed to be a teen! Disney's design for her is disgusting, she was never portrayed that way in the book or any other versions until Walt Disney thought it was okay to give her a short little dress and draw her body with exaggerated curves. Like, the story's from the 1900s she's not going to be dressed like that, even if she IS a fairy. Honestly, I don't care what race she is either... and I agree with you, modern day versions of the characters are literally all based off the Disney version of her, and not the originals. I wish Disney would do something different with their live action remakes and forget about the old movies. Like, maybe be more creative and take it from the books. Like, they could make some of the same changes that the Disney versions made, depending on what the changes are, but I wish they'd come up with their own creativity. Like you said about the Little Mermaid, and them still naming her Ariel and giving her the iconic red hair and everything. For a live action remake, they could do something totally different. Personally, I don't want a movie with a singing crab, I'd rather they swapped out the singing crab and gave her a pirate friend or something. I must have been one of those few kids, I never watched those old classics as a kid and when I saw clips and stuff. I thought they were stupid. Also, I like how Tinkerbell was portrayed better in the "Disney fairies/Pixie Hollow" movies, better than in the 50s version + 2023 remake, because they gave her more flaws like you said. I haven't seen much of those movies but I remember when they were super popular and they'd play clips on the Disney channel, and I always thought they looked cool. The thing is though, as old as the Peter Pan story is, I kinda of feel bad that it's considered "Disney property" now and every time someone brings up Peter Pan and the fairies, everyone thinks of Disney. That's the same with all the other fairytales. I'm sorry if I sound so bitter towards Disney but I kind of am, since I mostly grew up with their silly sitcoms and cartoons (when I said cartoons I meant like Fish Hook, Jungle Junction, Phineas & Ferb) and the only few movies I watched when I was a kid that were from Disney were Brave, Tangled, UP, and I think I might have been 11 when Frozen came out, so technically I was still a kid (I can't believe Frozen's turning 10 years old). Also, even tho I hate the original 50's movie, the 2000's sequel actually seems good. I honestly hate how she's portrayed in the 50's version, again, and I find the old movies to be offensive to women. Like, the 1950s were such a sexist era! I can't like movies from those days. Just making her a sassy, attractive girl, I don't agree with. I'm sorry to disagree with you on that, but you convinced me about her having flaws. (I also don't think old movies should be shown to today's kids, especially if they're too young to understand that what people thought was normal back then is no longer normal). Neither the book, nor the 1950's movie are "timeless" and I think that as we change through history, we need to make versions of the story that are more suitable for today's audience. Also, my best friend loves the 2023 movie more than the 50's one, and I would watch neither one. her favorite is actually the 2003 non-Disney one. She used to be a huge Disney fan but she's not a Disney fan anymore. I personally won't watch any of the classics, nor the live action remakes, but if I had a choose, I'll watch the live action remakes on one of those free "Watch movies online" type of websites, maybe just for kicks and giggles. (I can picture my friends and I making fun of the live action Little Mermaid)
@@dramadramadrama977 women being equal with men is fine, good, nothing wrong with it. What I mean is when the female character is infallible, can’t make any mistakes, can’t be taught anything by a man, and all male characters have to suck. That’s what I mean.
You write Tinkerbell is in the public domain. But to a certain extent but Disney's Tinkerbell is not in the public domain. Which means they're pinkerbell from the Peter Pan movie that Disney get has a look and a feel to it that people actually expect to be accurately done. Now Peter Pan and Wendy wasn't a disney-themed sure nobody what care but because it is Disney and Tinkerbell is the face of Disney movies for the intros she should be white-blond green dress not black as hell
You're right that Disney's Tink isn't in the public domain, but general Tinkerbell is. I get what you mean, though. I can see both sides of the coin as to why Tink should look a certain way. I personally don't mind if Disney diversifies Tink since in the wide scope of things, they don't exclusively own her or her name. They just own a certain design of hers. But to each their own!
Also, do add to my last point, it does bother me to an extent that Tinkerbell is black but that's only because Disney casted a black woman for diversity/representation points. If their intentions were purer, I wouldn't care since I'm so used to seeing different looking Tinkerbells. But since the intentions weren't pure, I'm not 100% on board.
If you think about it, OG Tinkerbell's personality was accurate with the fae lore. The Fae folk are known for being mischiveous, cruel and never have to real your real name to them, so almost sending Wendy and Jane almost to their death makes more sense to her flaws.
Very true! Good thinking!
"Never have to real your real name"? What do you mean by that? (Don't edit your comment, it will remove the heart)
@@TheSpencermacdougall Oh yeah typo. Never reveal your real mame to them, for the fae, names are power and way to control you.
@@TheArtisticAloubellSomething tell me what you said about tink’s jerkishness and sunset simmer’s redemption arc tells me you don’t like characters who lack any jerkiness(who are nice since you see these traits as just having FLAWS)
@@PGbutalsofourteenplus oh no, I like sweet characters too! Sunset just bothers me because her jerky qualities were zapped out of her with the friendship laser without naturally leaving or having a remnant.
I know they fixed this later on with Forgotten Friendship, but for a while, she lost her edge seemingly unnaturally.
never let disney recreate disney movie
Truer words have never been spoken. Indeed too accurate.
Never let Disney recreate anything for that matter...
The sequel of Peter Pan (animated) is severely underrated. Jane was far away from childish daydreams but as she grew as a person and actually cared for tink, tink's admiration can be seen through and through. That's what a charcter should be. With proper build up and role in the story does a character is established. To think that tink, a major character in Peter Pan was given such less attention in the adaptations feels wrong.
Jane was a really well done character!
Despite their flaws, at least the Direct-to-video Sequels had tried to come up with better ideas than those annoying remakes.
@@TheArtisticAloubellYes
She is indeed awesome and feels like an actual person
Her dynamic with tink is also very good and adorable too
I do agree that Tinkerbells attitude was toned down in the tinker bell films, but I really love the second film the lost treasure. She was low key impatient and a bit of an asshole to the people trying to help her (Terrance and Blaze) even blaming them for mistakes that tink made. I feel this movie shows Tinkerbell’s character the best.
Yeah...that film was probably the closest they got to classic Tink. Even so, she still wasn't as enraged and ready to fight as old Tink XD
I like Tinker Bell animated movies though. I wish they focus more on those animated movies and Pixie Hollow than remaking Peter Pan. Plus, what I love about the Tinker Bell animated series was the interactions and friendships between Tinker Bell, Silvermist, Iridessa, Rosetta, Vidia, Fawn, Periwinkle, and Zarina. And the Tinker Bell movies did diversity right than most modern movies.
Oh I like those movies too! I just prefer the old personality and characterization of Tink than the one in those movies. The movies are still great, though!
Those movies are awesome.
Tinkerbell's not perfect but she gets character development from those movies. Not saying she was a bad character in the Peter Pan movies, I'm just saying that we got to know more about her in the Pixie Hollow movies than what we hear translated from Peter
My favorites are Lost Treasure,Great Fairy Rescue and Secret of the Wings
It's odd for the Peter Pan and Wendy Tink being casted as a POC, and yet her role/personality is diminished to "the magic getter/provider". That's a little questionable in its own right.
As for Disney's Pixie Hollow series, I remember watching a few of the movies- and while Tink is different from the 50s/02 movie, you really have a point there. A well-written character, even if different in depictions, is better than a poorly written one.
Imagine at all Disney parks around the world, Periwinkle will be introducing the new black Tink to the children as her sister. It will be an awkward moment when the kids will start asking how did it happen.
O_o
I absolutely loved the Tinker Bell movies/the Pixie Hollow series. My favorite movie was Secret of the Wings because of my favorite type of relationship dynamic there was. I also enjoyed Return to Neverland more than the prequel as well, and I can’t wait to see your video on that when you get there.
Secret of the Wings is also great! Periwinkle is cool and I like The Great Divide song x3
The worst aspect in my opinion was Wendy. Wendy is supposed to be this romantic, gentle, maternal figure to her brothers which is why she's brought to Neverland in the first place by Wendy to serve as a mother to the Lost Boys but there's none of that in this one. No, instead they turn her into an overly aggressive, rude, bratty pain in the butt who has all the emotional maturity of a 5-year-old. Now, I don't mind giving her more agency, but they couldn't even keep the core of her basic character intact and I don't understand why? Is there something wrong with a girl being traditionally girly? Can a girl not be her own person unless she's swinging a sword?
As for Tinker Bell and Peter, I think an interesting change would be Tinker Bell was the one who raised Peter in Pixie Hollow after he fell out of his pram and she loves him in a maternal way. However, Peter, especially after seeing he was essentially replaced by his biological mother with his younger brother, always craved having a human mother and wanted Wendy to be her. This is why Tinker Bell hates Wendy in this version since she had been the one to raise Peter before he could walk and taught him how to fly in the first place and believes Wendy is trying to steal her child from her. Eventually, though Wendy and Tink start to bond over their shared love for their family and Peter learns to appreciate Tinker Bell as his mother and apologizes to her for being so ungrateful.
Traditional feminism/girliness isn't "in" nowadays. EVERY GIRL needs to be a girl boss...thanks, I hate it.
And your idea for Tink/Peter/Wendy sound SO much better than what we got TT_TT
@@TheArtisticAloubell I know...Even if it makes no sense and could get in the way of a better story.
Thank you. It goes with Wendy's arc, which also acts as a bit of a deconstruction to her archetype where upon seeing the mess she and her brothers made in their room, her father thinks it's time to send Wendy off to a finishing school where they'll teach her to be a proper lady. This terrifies Wendy since she'll be away from her brothers and will have to learn to be a grown-up, so when Peter offers to take her and her brothers to Neverland, she jumps at the chance. However, Peter wants Wendy to be the Lost Boys' mother, which at first she believes is an easy task but finds it to be much more challenging than she thought, especially with how childish everyone else is being while she's the one stuck with all the heavy lifting. She thinks about her parents more often and wonders if they ever feel like this. Eventually, she gains a new appreciation for all the things her parents do and starts to feel bad for putting more work on them to the point she wants to go home with John and Michael.
13:20 Vidia is basically the Raquelle of Tinker Bell😂🧚♀️
xD That's true!
Even as a kid I thought that Pixie Hollow Tinkerbell was an au version of the films' Tinkerbell, so I loved both of them for different reasons.
The problem that 2023 and direct-to-video Tinker Bell suffers from is mascotification. All of her faults and edge have been smoothed off in the name of making her as appealing as possible. It’s the same problem that Mickey has suffered from for years now.
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"making her as appealing as possible." which ironically did the opposite
Y'know what the weirdest part of this remake? Peter Pan doesn't understand Tinkerbell
He's always been able to understand her in previous adaptions,so it makes no sense here even for a Disney remake
I loved how you mentioned return to neverland. (Best Disney sequel that more people need to see) I also really appreciate how you touched on tinkerbells jealousy and how you even brought up peters concern for tinkerbell. I fell like that really helps bring up both characters arcs from the previous movie as it connects to the ending scene of Peter Pan where tinkerbell sacrifices herself for Peter. Which then Peter choses tinks safety over Wendys and the lost boys, compared to the beginning of the film where he just straight up banishes her. The mention of Peter caring for tinkerbell really shows development within the characters and how this time in return to Neverland, peter not only understands tinkerbell a bit better but he also sacrificed himself for tinkerbell instead by trying to save her from Janes disbelief.
There is already a black fairy. And her name is Iridessa from the Tinker Bell movies. They should have added both fairy’s.
2003's Peter Pan got Tink's personality better than the remake... It even explains that Tink wasn't all bad. Sometimes she was all good, but fairies are so small that they can only feel 1 emotion at a time. Also, I like Hook's Tinkerbell
Tinkerbell not glowing because it's unrealistic is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard
Right?! It's like with the "live action" Lion King movie. Trying to make a realistic movie based off a movie with expressive, singing animals and sky ghosts was dumb.
Why are all the Disney movies so dark and dull now? No wonder Tink doesn't glow. That would mess with the darkness filter mandated to be put on all these movies.
Something about wanting the tone to be more "realistic and serious" which means we can't have color, saturation, magic, or fun.
=/
LOl I guess you have a point. The only reason they're crapping all these live action remakes out one after another, is because of the "aesthetic" and apparently they think that younger audiences won't go see colorful and light movies as much, because they probably like the dullness better. Like, I saw a clip from the live action Little mermaid and it was SO STUPID because they kept the cartoony song and singing crab, even though it was all dark and dull. It looked ridiculous. Like, if they're going to make it look more dark and dull, then make it suit the mood by making it more serious instead of a silly crab. -If they wanted to make a better remake they could be creative and be different from the original by swapping the singing crab with a tough tomboy pirate friend-
Another great video, Aloubell. Great job on the artwork. 🧚🏼
The people behind this movie were seriously asking how Tink glowing would be 'realistic', when she's a fairy that makes others fly with Pixie dust? I was never going to see Peter Pan & Wendy (or any other live action remake), but this and everything else I've heard has ensured I never will.
For the Tinkerbell movie series, I do agree that Tinkerbell doesn't fully match her movie personality, but as you said, I can understand wanting to make her a more appealing protagonist. I personally consider them to be their own separate thing and enjoy them as that, so the canon is not disrupted. Also, I'm biased because that Tinkerbell, and all of the main Pixie Hollow girls, were among my first crushes (they still are).
"wanting to make her a more appealing protagonist." problem is that Tinkerbell was already a great, appealing character, her being spicy and having an edge is what made her so beloved in the first place.
this was supposed to be set in the same canon.
Did you ever read the Pixie Hollow books? They made Tinker Bell...pretty similar to the newer, more tame version of her (as far as I remember). But they made a whole series of dozens of books starring her and all her friends. It includes the fairies from the movies (including Vidia. She has her own book), as well as a bunch of other fairies I wish made it into the films. You should check them out because they're really cute!
I havent read the books--perhaps I will one day!
I saw some of the covers during research for this review. Very interesting how it stars different fairies than in the movies!
I appreciate that Vidia is still there, though X3
🧚♀️ My favorite of the Pixie Hollow series is probably a tie between Secret of the Wings and The Pirate Fairy. It’s a shame that any planned movies after the sixth one were cancelled.
So true! As Alou said in the video, the studio closed down before getting the chance to make a movie where Tink meets Peter pan.
I'll like to know, what it's the point of those new live action movies from Disney? Pinocchio doesn't transform in a real boy, Ariel doesn't want to love, what will be with this new Peter Pan? Great video, Aloe!
Wait...Ariel doesn't want to love Eric??? Whaaaaaa?
And yes, a good chunk of these remakes miss the point of the original 😮💨
@@TheArtisticAloubell Yep, they release the novel from the movie, and love isn't the point for Ariel, so, they're not only missing the point, they're doing something really bad for a purpose for it.
@@TheJosu145 umm, at the end of the new Pinocchio film, you can see his legs starting to look more like a human so it is implied that he did turn into a real boy
Kinda wish they made a reboot of the Tinkerbell movie series. We need more of that.
I just want the story where she meets Peter haha
I think the film should have been a crossover between the classic and the Tinkerbell movies.
🧚🏻 also, I agree that Return to Netherland was a better than the original and I also enjoyed Tink’s redemption arc
🧚You have no idea how confused I got throughout Peter and Wendy. Only going to see it once. I mean this Tink seems...nice but I mean she's so motherly to everyone and sass is very tone down. And you made a great point about how Peter should care for Tink like the 1950 one depicted. And for the Disney Fairies, many good films and my favorite is the last one too. Personally, I have liked the books, specifically on one water fairy Rani, the only fairy with no wings. Had really hoped she would of been included in the line up being kinda disable and all. Oh yeah, and this other book series the Never Girls are really fun read. Do you think you could review the books as well?
I have not seen the books. Maybe one day I will!
I love Tinker Bell and Vidia's relationship in the Tinker Bell movies.
In The Great Fairy Rescue, Vidia is so guilt ridden with getting Tink captured, you feel for the Fast-Flyer. And then she risks everything to save Tink, which causes Tink to return the favour. And did I mention the hug they share after Vidia is saved? Aww!
Secret of the Wings doesn't give us as much, but there is one detail I love. Periwinkle's wings were going to break because they got too warm, so they use the snow machine to get her back to Winter. Tinker Bell goes under it, naturally, because Periwinkle's her sister, but she can't carry Peri alone. So who goes under the snow machine with her? Vidia. As a fast flyer, her wings are *essential* for her talent. Vidia was willing to risk that to help Periwinkle? She really HAS grown from The Great Fairy Rescue. And when Tink is upset that she and Peri have to part ways, Vidia tries to comfort her by gently telling her to go home.
In The Pirate Fairy, I love that Vidia ended up with Tinker Bell's talent. Tink is just gobsmacked and Vidia's reaction is priceless. And when Vidia finally gets her tinker talent under control, Tink is impressed.
I haven't seen Never Beast, but I should watch it.
🧚♂️I like both Tinkerbells from the pixie hollow movies and the original Disney Peter Pan movie. But the Tinkerbell from the Peter and the star catchers books is my favorite. Also love your artwork of Tinkerbell.
Thank you ❤
3D Tink is basically Areil. I get it they had to tone her down to make her a main character. I miss those movies they are pretty good. I see those movies as an alternate universe.
they really didn't have to tone her down so much, nor should they if this was supposed to be Tinkerbell from the 53\2002 based films
I honestly would've loved to see spicy OG Tink in the Pixie Hollow movies, although that definitely wouldn't have worked very well for a children's movie protagonist. I don't know about other kids, but tiny me ignored the character arcs in movies and wanted to be exactly like pre-character development protagonists. I definitely would have tried to take over Tink's bad traits. Still, the Pixie Hollow movies are my favorites, considering I never saw the OG movie and grew up with Tink's series. I do love the little moments when a bit of Tink's original personality gets to shine through. Like the conflict she has in the second movie where I remember the entire problem of the movie being created by Tink snapping.
Also, sidenote, I have an extra soft spot for the Secret of the Wings movie. I didn't really see it as a kid, but Periwinkle character-wise feels very close to myself and I adore her. I also had a book as a kid on the world of Pixie Hollow. It's so much fun. I need more of these bits of lore on places in Neverland. It just adds so much depth to it.
There's one thing that I don't like about the first Tinker Bell movie, at the end of the film we see Tinkerbell returning the music box to a little girl, SPOILER that little girl was Wendy.
That part makes no sense because it ruins the time line.
In the Peter Pan 1953, the narrator tells us that Mary, aka Wendy's mother, believes that Peter Pan is the spirit of youth, that means that she already knows about him, and let's not forget at the end George, aka the father, said so himself *"You know, I have the strangest feeling that I've seen that ship before. A long time ago, when I was very young"*
What does this tells us?
It tells us that Peter Pan stories were around for a long time that George and Mary, have already heard about them during their childhood and possibly might have seen him. And when they grew up, got married and had children aka Wendy, John, and Michael, they told them about Peter Pan's adventures.
So I'm sorry to say this, but whomever decided to show Wendy on the Tinker bell movie was an idiot, cause that would mean she is what, 6 or 7 yrs old, and has no idea who Peter Pan is cause, he doesn't exist yet, which also means her mother doesn't know anything about him either.
And as they kept making films after films of TB, it seams like time is passing by because the fairies need to prepare the seasons every year, so if I have to take a wild guess, I say it could have been like 4 to 5 years, Wendy should be now around 10 to 12 yrs old, so around that time she would have met Peter Pan and the events of the movie already happening. But I guess since this was a children's movie, they won't care about those minor little details, well jokes on them cause those minor little details bothered me since I was a child😑
At this point, I am just going to imagen that the Tinker Bell franchise is a separate story from the original Disney's Peter Pan 1& 2 movies, cause the inconsistencies in the timelines really pisses me off even till now😒
Anyway, Aloubell I agree with everything you said about the lame live action Peter Pan, and that they wasted Tinker Bells character, heck I didn't even watch the mvoie because I knew it was going to be bad.
Can't wait for your next video.
May God bless you🙏🏽🧚🏽♀️
OH MY GOODNESS THATS SUCH A GREAT POINT! I never noticed that before haha
They did screw up the timeline.
In that case, yeah! This is definitely a different Tinkerbell than the OG film!
I personally never cared about the race swap as tink is a mystical creature in a mystical world where there isn't any real world culture that would be taken away (exept for some reason the indians) but i do have a problem with her being NICE to Wendy seeing that is basically the start of the entire conflict in the first movie and it's such a weird thing to change.
I never noticed she didn't glow until you pointed it out which also makes no sense because i always asumed she glows because she is covered in (or possibly is made out of) pixie dust.
There was a plot point where we find out hook used to be peter's friend and it would've been so easy to say he met tink in the story or saved her once or something like that. This movie is just executed in the worst way possible with pretty much everything I swear-
Missing three of Tink's main THINGS is just painful: her glow, her chaos, and her bond with Peter. The writers wanted to be too nice and didn't want a flawed, problematic woman of color in the movie, so she just had to be super nice and...out of the way...ugh.
Give me back chaotic Tink >__
I’m just gonna say it!! Disney should have just made more Pixie Hollow movies,or even a TV series instead of.... Whatever this was!
(Fun fact,they were originally gonna make 2 more movies centering on Iridesaa and Rosetta but after the Neverbeast movie (forgot the actual name,Oops!!😅)flopped,they pretty much canned any and all future movies. Kinda dumb if you ask me that they assume just because one movie flopped, they should stop making them -Another fun fact: This is also why DreamWorks stopped making 2d movies).
A series would have been cool! Silvermist, Rosetta, and Iridessa DEFINITELY needed their own movies because they seemed vastly underdeveloped compared to the others. Still fun characters, just didn't have the same substance as the others.
🧚 I’ve also thought that Vidia acts more like classic Tink than how she’s portrayed in the film.
And I forgot how good Return to Never Land was!
It bugs me how Tink being black isn't the problem,the problem is that coincidentally when making her black they also sucked every bit of personality and plot relavance out of her...
When I heard the casting decision, sadly I knew this would happen. Because you just simply can't write a black character that's explosively angry and jealous to the point of attempting to murder a small girl. That would be immediately struck down as a stereotypical, problematic and harmful portrayal. If anything I think it would have been more progressive to recast Wendy and her brothers as black. In keeping with her original characterization she was a kind, loving mature and responsible young lady that Peter Pan falls in love with.
@@marcellacassab4331 sadly then people (mostly actually a bit racist people) would go out of their way to say how inaccurate it is for a black girl and her family to be upper class or whatever... How annoying really that there's always a reason to complain
The thing im mad about is that they considered not casting a Marilyn Monroe lookalike wtf disney 🙄
Wait, she never had a legitimate look?
Not really~
She may or may not have been specifically described in the books, but no official visual was made for her--none that stuck anyway.
Everyone interprets Tink differently.
@@TheArtisticAloubell everyone I've talked to sees her as she was portrayed in Peter Pan.
I'm gonna add some interaction and say, Tinkerbell was best in the old movies. I wholeheartedly agree on that point. And it's one of the reasons I don't like the Disney remakes. They strip the old personalities that made these characters iconic, like Mulan's resourcefulness in favor of a chosen one plot with magic Qi power. In five years (if that) no one will remember new Tinkerbell. The glowing ball of sass, jealousy, and homicidal tendencies will always be the one people think of.
Tink is iconic and they shouldn't have dulled her personality!
I have a question: if Neverland isn't earth and is an entirely seperate realm of reality, is it accurate to say Tinkerbelle is quote on quote 'black'? If Africa does not exist in Neverland and Tink isn't a human, then wouldn't it make more sense to simply say she looks like she could be African or African American or ambigiously brown? Would calling her 'black' in terms of race be accurate? How does race work in a fantasy setting with apperances so close to our world?
Speaking as someone who has a pretty diverse cast of faerie OCs I would very much like this explained to me.
I guess she certainly wouldn't be African, but simply to make communication amongst fans and movie goers easier, it's easiest to just call her black or brown skinned.
In universe, they don't reference their races or different looks at all, so we just apply our own logic to them.
For your own stories, you can come up with a different naming convention 😁
@@TheArtisticAloubell Thanks. I will do that. I mean, I do have a reinvision of the wizard Merlin as a tall elf in victorian clothing but in apperance is Native American. Yes, an elven, victorian-era, native american coded Merlin.
I just wanted to spice up the design. And since he isnt human and comes from a seperate realm from outs, he doesn't need to follow the same geographical geniology as with us humans.
🧚♀️ I too refuse to watch Peter Pan and Wendy, but since you mentioned her lack of glow, can I just rant for a second about how dumb and frustrating it is that modern Hollywood live-action movies and even shows just... refuse to do good lighting? Like, if it's a night scene (which nowadays is most scenes), you can't see A THING! It's just as you put it: it looks like the only source of light they used to film is a dying candle. It's especially apparent when you watch during the daytime, and I'm tired of watching movies and not being able to SEE the movie. And it's possible to do this, the Raimi Spider-Man and Lord of the Rings trilogies actually have well-lit night scenes. When did directors/editors/whoever decided that the movies needed to be as literally dark as possible because... edgy? Rant over, just bugs me that's all. 😑
P.S: I too LOVE Return to Neverland (also more than the original), and I'd love to hear you talk about it in a future video for sure! 😍
Yeah, idk why modern movies and remakes feel like "less light" means more fun and engagement for all. Like how adults ONLY like "serious" dreary movies and don't like color and fun. It's frustrating. 😤
And thank you ❤
🧚♂Thanks for putting Retun to Neverland on my radar. I didn't know it existed. Of the Pixie Hollow films, I liked the pirate fairy the best
no problem! It really is an awesome movie! ^0^
They really gave Yara nothing to chew on huh.
She also looked... restrained, as if being unable to speak stifled her. Maybe a mute actress (and black, ofc) would have brought passion to the role.
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I honestly don't care for Peter pan and I'm definitely more interested in Tinkerbell and her friends in pixie hollow. I love the world building, the characters, the magic, and the lore. I wish that they'd make a reboot of the movies I'd definitely love to see that!
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Hey Aloubell
And i also like the tinkerbell series ( my childhood says Hello again )
My Favorite Characters is silvermist , vidia and fawn
Anyway Back to the topic: i find the New movie Kind of dark ( not in Story, but in workdbuilding 😒 Neverland is just an normal Island , where is the magic the color?
PS : Great video
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And yes, they sucked the magic out of a magical movie 😮💨
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Yes , it so sad how they sucked out the hole Magic of this movie 😔
She clearly glows from all the pixie dust that covers her body. How did the filmmakers not know this!?
I've seen highlights of Peter Pan & Wendy and I'd go as far as to say it's an insult. And insult in how it claims to be a "more progressive" version of Peter Pan, when it turned basically the two main characters, Peter and Wendy into blatant jerks. Peter Pan 2003 and Peter Pan: Return to Neverland 2002 were already more progressive takes on the story, and didn't need to take away core personality of the characters to the point of making them unrecognizeable (like Peter's cunning and leadership skills, Tinkerbell's sassiness or Wendy's kind and motherly nature). Disney must stop with these remakes.
Aaah, finally someone who loves the Pixie Hollow series !! ❤ I also like The Legend of the Neverbeast. But in my case it's my second favourite. The first is The Secret of the Wings.
I hate the 50's movie as much as I hate the remake, but I know that there's stuff that's wrong with the original book in today's standards as well. I feel like they could have been way more creative with this live action remake though. They're only making these for the aesthetic. Wait until no one cares about the remakes anymore, and people go to see other companies that make better family movies.
@@jocelynecupcake Peter Pan 2003 is what Peter Pan & Wendy should have been, imo. It's creative, it's imaginative, it's full of colour, it has very emotional scenes as well as excellently choreographed action ones, Neverland looks actually fantastic... I like that one better than the 1953 adaptation, to be completely honest. But the 1953 film partially marked my childhood, so I will always have a soft spot for it, even if it's not the best film I've seen.
My grandmother loved Tinkerbell ever since she was little. It's because of that, that I started to love Tinkerbell too. When seeing that Peter Pan and Wendy trailer, I was annoyed cause Disney was gonna ruin another classic movie. Most importantly, I was scared with how they were going to portray tinkerbell. I don't care if she's a different race compared to the 1953 movie, but she's not my tink. It's one of the reasons I just don't have the heart to care for Disney anymore. I just can't stand Disney rewriting the old classics and doing the characters I love dirty. Plus, Disney just does have that spark and family magic that I used to remember loving as I grew up.
Disney is changing stuff without understanding why the old stuff worked. They really lost their touch with the magic.
@The Artistic Aloubell they did it cause they think that it would make people happy if they got rid of the mistakes they made back when things were different. They changed, alright, but at what cost? Sure, things like with Peter Pan and the Indians or Aristocats and the Chinese thing happened (though to be fair, I didn't get why it was bad now when I didn't think anything was wrong as a kid). I know they want to fix the mistakes they made in the past, but you don't get rid of the things that did make the original good.
@The Artistic Aloubell its why I'm hesitant with the new Wish movie cause I'm not sure what will happen with the movie. I loved Disney, and in some way, I sort of do, but not in the same way I did as a kid. I know it's not the writers fault or even the animators fault for the decisions Disney makes, but it I just can't go back to Disney and forget what Disney had done to ruin the magic of Walt Disney and his legacy.
@@abby-cadabby Gonna be honest, I don't 100% understand why/how the Siamese cats in Lady and the Tramp and The Aristocats are considered racist or offensive. Did Siamese people get offended by them? Did any Asians get offended by them? They seemed harmless and they weren't looking down on any race. Even if it was a stereotype, stereotypes came from reality and some people do live up to the stereotype, so it's no necessarily a bad thing. Same with the Indians. The Indians weren't seen as bad or less than Peter and his friends. They just existed and had their own traditions. And they weren't even based on a real-world tribe so...what's the problem?
Disney is trying to fix problems that weren't 100% present. they're trying to appeal to everyone which ends up appealing to almost no one. It's sad to see >___
@The Artistic Aloubell when it comes to how and why Disney is changing to its worst, I'd say 50-60% is on them, and the rest is towards certain people who get a little too sensitive towards things. Whether it's towards the Indians in Peter Pan, getting rid of splash mountain because of Disney not wanting any part with getting people mad because of the movie they did in the late 40s (Song of the South), or with the new live action Lilo and Stitch movie and making such a big deal towards Nani and David's actors and not being correctly accurate compared to the movie (their words not mine).
I'm still watching! 🧚♂ I always feel guilty for not liking new adaptations of Disney movies. Maybe it's internalized racism, and I truly hope it's not, but I feel like not everything needs to be live action. This is animation, after all! Animation ALLOWS for magical, not-real things to fit into the animation's reality. I miss the days of flat animation, but even 3D animation would be better than this to me. You can race-swap and gender swap and whatever THAT way! I just don't need this. It does nothing for my nostalgia, other than a good soundtrack.
I assure you it isn't internalized racism. I'm black and I don't like whats happening either.
Disney just kind of lost their magic touch and its sad to see >__
Please don't believe the lies society is telling you, just because you don't enjoy these reboots doesn't make you racist. That's like telling a black vegan they are racist for not eating Popeyes fried chicken.
i love tinkerbell in disney fairies since she's way cooler than her peter pan counterpart but i don't have nothing wrong with tink being black is that i had a problem with ariel being black.
i wish that they could have hired a white person to be ariel.
I always thought Tinkerbell had gone though some horrible war in-between her movies and Peter Pan. Where maybe all her friends didn't survive and she was then on her own for a long time, with almost no purpose because the home that gave her purpose was now nothing. Either that- or she accidentally did something to be thrown out of her home. Part of me thinks that maybe she want on some adventure with the pixie dust Fairy that everyone seemed to ship her with, and maybe along the way she met Peter Pan and something happened to the Pixie dust guy and she can't go back home so she now lives with Peter but is just never satisfied- thus her bad temper.
(I also might have thought that the pixie dust gut could by magic maybe turned into Peter- but that seems a bit uncanny... 😂)
I haven't seen this new movie but I've seen clips and gosh it looks so bland. It's like they sucked all the color out of the world
Ironically, they sucked the magic out of it.
🧚♀️- I think there’s a hidden meaning with Tinkerbell In the original movie there was a scene Peter throws Wendy somewhere where she couldn’t of been killed and Tinkerbell helps her maybe they should of did more with that maybe adds something with how maybe Tinkerbell helped or safe some people.
But there's already a black fairy and her name is Iridessa
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They totally could have Tink and her Pixie Hollow friends in the movie. If they really want to change details from the original, adding more fairies is not a lot to do.
🧚♂i didn't even know there was another peter pan movie???!
I find the 1953 Tinker Bell to be too mean. I hate her! I was bullied a lot, so she's a trigger for me. I loved the Tinker Bell spin-offs, though. I love spin-off Tink much better. It hurts that people love bully characters like original Tink.
I'm super sorry about what you went through! It's totally understandable that you don't like OG Tink. I pray things are better for you now! In Jesus' name Amen ❤️🙏
I agree. It doesn't help that they portray her sassy, bully side as a "comic relief" too. Man, what do you expect from a movie written and directed by men, in a time period when women were seen as objects?
@@TheArtisticAloubell Please don't pray for me. I have religious trauma, and religion stuff is triggering to me.
@@jocelynecupcake ikr!
I've haven't seen any of the peter pan movies but i did see some of the Tinkerbell movies 🧚
At least the Pixie Hollow/Disney Fairies [book] series got the mermaids right personality-wise: they're still the vain, "only trying to drown her" nymphs I liked from the 1953 movie.
One big thing I hated about the “where does the light come from?” Argument is that, bioluminescence is a thing. THERES YOUR REAL REASON.
I was also admittedly making jokes about Tink not lighting up herself, that she’s a black light, and should cause OTHER things to illuminate… and honestly that was more clever than what they did.
On a side not, I wanted to see how she met Peter too. Such a missed opportunity!
Love your discussion of the film! I love the Tinker bell animated movies! They’re all awesome! My favorites are Sextet of the Wings, and The Never Beast, but they’re all great! Love the sequel to the original Peter Pan too.
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If I was writing this movie I would have make Tinker Bell stay be jealous of Wendy but not for Peter Pan love but instead it would be because Wendy had took her role she would have to babysit the lost boys when Peter went on fighting with Captain Hook making her take care of them creating friendships and bonds with the lost boys so when Wendy and brothers arrive and when Wendy takes her place she became jealous and do what she did the 1953 film but after time (aka like a couple of weeks/months)She grows to form a bond with Wendy like she did with the lost boys maybe she tries to contrive Peter to let the kids to grown home but Peter won’t aspect and becomes angry at Tinker Bell and he ends up breaking they friend ship and kicks her out making her angry at Peter and want to get revenge at him which ends up with making a deal with Hook and she ends up been betrayed by Peter and be the end Peter Pan ends up taking Wendy and her brothers and the lost boys to they homes.
Never let stories be on Disney hands, even Disney stories
Tink was a total pick-me girl 😂
As a kid I liked Tinkerbell in the pixie hollow movies even though in my netive thoung and german it's just her name but I liked how she talks in those movies as a kid I was bored how we couldn't understand what she was saying 🧚
I really dont care about who they cast, what i care about is how they ruined her character
I heard that the Miraculous ladybug movie is coming soon on Netflix in July.
Cool! Though I thought it would have a theatrical release...🤔
@@TheArtisticAloubell Yeah. I wonder what would Cyrus's reaction will be. He probably will be like, "hmmm, interesting 🤔"
So I guess Disney is gonna continue making live action remakes of beloved films even though the audience is gonna hate it huh
I have a feeling if this keeps up then Disney itself won’t make any recovery soon
Let’s just hope they don’t….
(Honestly I should not finish the sentence)
Bruh Disney could pull a hate watching
Now I'm curious about your opinions on Hook. Which one could argue is also a live-action Peter Pan. Like, what did you think of the fact the movie delved deeper into Peter's past or what happened to him. Not to mention how Tinkerbell is in that movie. And the fact Peter Pan grew up and had his own kids.
I really like Hook! I grew up watching it so I have a soft spot for it ^_^
Original Tink is the best tink. I find it hilarious how she can be mean sometimes.
Also extra points for the writers never letting her get away with her jerkiness or get what she wanted! She was definitely shown to be in the wrong and I appreciate the acknowledgement!
With every remake of Peter Pan the OG animation films are the best. I also loved the Pixie hollow movies, but felt like they made her friendlier than she was supposed to be. As for the best real life adaption i think the Peter Pan version with Jeremy Sumpter was the best. Peter & Wendy (latest real life adaption) just sucks, i didn't enjoy watching it, i felt something was wrong and i never rewatched it, all the others i can rewatch like the mini series Pan, Hook (movie), ... .
WHAT IN THE CORPORATE CRAPPY REIMAGINED DRAGONS DUMPSTER FIRE IS DISNEY DOING?
You should read the Disney Fairy books by Gail Carson Levine.
Can you do art tutorial for beginners?
Unfortunately, I'm not very good at teaching! Also, I still have a lot to learn myself, so I don't feel qualified to teach.
Thanks for your interest, though!
There are many good tutorials you can find on RUclips as well as DeviantArt!😁
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Hey Aloubell,
Did you read the original book?
( if not , I highly recommend it )
also in the book it describes that The Neverland has multiple fairies in many different colors !
I also really like the drawing 💚😆
I have not seen the books! They seem cool, though! 😁
Thank you ❤
What is your opion on the new Five nights at Freddy's movie coming out. 1:19
Haven't seen the trailer, but I have been looking forward to the movie!
🧚 First off, no cookies for me this time 🤣(star glimmy hid very well 😂)
Secondly awesome chibi-tink! Definitely caught the feisty in her eyes! 👏👏
Annd 3rd haven't seen the movie either, but this current tink really is soooo dull!
OG tinker bell and pixie hollow tink, or as I sometimes call her katara-Tink (since she's played by Mae Whitman from Avatar the last Airbender)
Are waaay more entertaining! (not to mention the movies and specials they were in)
Great job as always, and looking forward for the next upload! 😎👍
Lol
Here's a hint: there's an audio cue for when Starlight shows up x3
Thank you so much for watching and commenting ❤️
Of course! Always a pleasure to watch and comment! 😊😎👍
Annd found her! 🤣 oh my goodness that was clever! I'm surprised I didn't notice it the first time I watched through this 😂
They changed yea but now she has no personalty no fun no entresting or feels magical bruh
disney for fck sake stop doing this anymore and gives some orijinal stuff pls
The 3 film of Tinker Bell used bad words to lizzy dad 😮🧚♀️
I like the last pixie hollow movie too!
Tinkerbell 3 is alot better this monstrosity.
🧚🧚♀️🧚♂️Ok, but I don't have a Disney+ account(so I don't think I'll be able to give a real opinion of it, if I'm unable to watch it), because where I live barely has internet(included that just 5 days ago my house was without electricity, because of a 4 hour blackout)
It's okay~
From what I understand, you're not missing much lol
I pray your electricity and internet become more stable! 🙏❤
Personally, I hate the old 1950s Disney Peter Pan, and especially Tinker Bell's design. She's supposed to be a teen! Disney's design for her is disgusting, she was never portrayed that way in the book or any other versions until Walt Disney thought it was okay to give her a short little dress and draw her body with exaggerated curves. Like, the story's from the 1900s she's not going to be dressed like that, even if she IS a fairy. Honestly, I don't care what race she is either... and I agree with you, modern day versions of the characters are literally all based off the Disney version of her, and not the originals. I wish Disney would do something different with their live action remakes and forget about the old movies. Like, maybe be more creative and take it from the books. Like, they could make some of the same changes that the Disney versions made, depending on what the changes are, but I wish they'd come up with their own creativity. Like you said about the Little Mermaid, and them still naming her Ariel and giving her the iconic red hair and everything. For a live action remake, they could do something totally different. Personally, I don't want a movie with a singing crab, I'd rather they swapped out the singing crab and gave her a pirate friend or something. I must have been one of those few kids, I never watched those old classics as a kid and when I saw clips and stuff. I thought they were stupid.
Also, I like how Tinkerbell was portrayed better in the "Disney fairies/Pixie Hollow" movies, better than in the 50s version + 2023 remake, because they gave her more flaws like you said. I haven't seen much of those movies but I remember when they were super popular and they'd play clips on the Disney channel, and I always thought they looked cool. The thing is though, as old as the Peter Pan story is, I kinda of feel bad that it's considered "Disney property" now and every time someone brings up Peter Pan and the fairies, everyone thinks of Disney. That's the same with all the other fairytales. I'm sorry if I sound so bitter towards Disney but I kind of am, since I mostly grew up with their silly sitcoms and cartoons (when I said cartoons I meant like Fish Hook, Jungle Junction, Phineas & Ferb) and the only few movies I watched when I was a kid that were from Disney were Brave, Tangled, UP, and I think I might have been 11 when Frozen came out, so technically I was still a kid (I can't believe Frozen's turning 10 years old). Also, even tho I hate the original 50's movie, the 2000's sequel actually seems good. I honestly hate how she's portrayed in the 50's version, again, and I find the old movies to be offensive to women. Like, the 1950s were such a sexist era! I can't like movies from those days. Just making her a sassy, attractive girl, I don't agree with. I'm sorry to disagree with you on that, but you convinced me about her having flaws. (I also don't think old movies should be shown to today's kids, especially if they're too young to understand that what people thought was normal back then is no longer normal). Neither the book, nor the 1950's movie are "timeless" and I think that as we change through history, we need to make versions of the story that are more suitable for today's audience.
Also, my best friend loves the 2023 movie more than the 50's one, and I would watch neither one. her favorite is actually the 2003 non-Disney one. She used to be a huge Disney fan but she's not a Disney fan anymore. I personally won't watch any of the classics, nor the live action remakes, but if I had a choose, I'll watch the live action remakes on one of those free "Watch movies online" type of websites, maybe just for kicks and giggles. (I can picture my friends and I making fun of the live action Little Mermaid)
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Wow, I didn't even know this new movie got made. 0_0
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Gliiiiiiiiimmeeeeeerrr...
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GREAT VID! BY THE WAY can You review the owl house
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Your vids are the best btw can you review the owl house show it’s great!😊
Thank you!
Peter Pan and Wendy was so feminist it hurt.
What's wrong with feminism? 💀 Why did op like this???
@@dramadramadrama977 women being equal with men is fine, good, nothing wrong with it. What I mean is when the female character is infallible, can’t make any mistakes, can’t be taught anything by a man, and all male characters have to suck. That’s what I mean.
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🧚♀️Thanks for the great video, this movie is not even worth sailing the seven seas, if you get what I'm saying
Thank you for watching! ❤
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You write Tinkerbell is in the public domain. But to a certain extent but Disney's Tinkerbell is not in the public domain. Which means they're pinkerbell from the Peter Pan movie that Disney get has a look and a feel to it that people actually expect to be accurately done. Now Peter Pan and Wendy wasn't a disney-themed sure nobody what care but because it is Disney and Tinkerbell is the face of Disney movies for the intros she should be white-blond green dress not black as hell
You're right that Disney's Tink isn't in the public domain, but general Tinkerbell is. I get what you mean, though. I can see both sides of the coin as to why Tink should look a certain way.
I personally don't mind if Disney diversifies Tink since in the wide scope of things, they don't exclusively own her or her name. They just own a certain design of hers.
But to each their own!
Also, do add to my last point, it does bother me to an extent that Tinkerbell is black but that's only because Disney casted a black woman for diversity/representation points. If their intentions were purer, I wouldn't care since I'm so used to seeing different looking Tinkerbells. But since the intentions weren't pure, I'm not 100% on board.
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Du you like Tailor Swift 😅😊
I am neutral towards her. I like a couple of her songs!
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