There are exceptions which you discover only trying, for example I found austrian Konrad Laimer (CMF, 86 ovr) quite effective as a LB even if it's not a covered position (not just a registered one!): I think this year player's stats impact more the quality of his performance, so you could put a midfielder or a forward with great defensive skills (Laimer's defensive skills are over 80) in your defensive line without significant tactical losses. What do you think?
I am in total shock you have uploaded this video because i was just texting with WEZZAFC about it a few minutes ago because i was wondering about this subject and here you go uploading this awesome clip. Shoutout to WEZZA the legend!
Excellent video spoony..most PES RUclipsrs never discussed on this subject ..I see streamers blaming game on players not making runs during attack but they didn't know that playing style of his cm is (b2b) only near half line of pitch , a hole player cm prefers to make runs into box...that's clearly shown by playing style graphic in game..
I have a question: Do you know for a fact, that it does not matter, when the overall rating drops by 8(in this example), which is quite a lot? Or is it more like, what you just experienced it like? Cause I felt different sometimes. There are players where I didn't notice it that much, but others felt just wrong in another position(even though it's highlighted blue), like they just do not matter that much for the match, while on their original position, they mostly have quite a big impact on the game. An example would be, Messi can play on the left wing too, but always when I do that, I just get the feeling his runs are way less effective and he often doesn't get into dangerous positions at the right time.
I know it through playtime. With regards to Messi being less effective - did his Playstyle get greyed out? Obviously if he's playing deeper he's not going to be perhaps involved as much but that's because of the position not because his stats took a hit.
Missed this first time round but great stuff as always mate. Once again you taught me something new as I hadn't noticed the playing style being greyed out when you change to a non-compatible position!
I'm just watching this spoony..agree with you on prolific winger style..i play d malen on my master league as a striker and he always like to drift on the left of the field like thierry henry used to be for arsenal
Top video as always! Just for clarity though, the OVR drops and so do the player stats? For example, if Ronaldo is playing at CB and his OVR drops to 67, if he has a shot on goal it will he tonk it into row z?
His player stats when played in blue areas will stay same and tactically he'll be fine even though his OVR rating drops from 94 to 86. If played in the ACM role (green area) his player stats will be unaffected but tactically he'll be slightly off. If played COMPLETELY out of position then he'll have an impact to his stats and tactical suitability.
Master League (Q.ARCAS) If I play a SS on the Right wing and they don't have that position registered, could I acquire it over time on master league by playing on the RWF?
It doesn't impact anything, it just shows you who is the most suited player for a position. For instance if you play Kroos CAM he won't be so good because he is slow and his dribbling isn't perfect, that doesn't mean he'll perform bad, that only means that a player has the SUITED ABILITIES for that position.
What about the bars underneath their names? they do be green or blue. Your videos are fantastic. You can tell you've a proper love and understanding of the game.
Thank you mate. Do you mean registered positions? Blue means can play there no problem, green means they can play that position but not as well and may not tactically suit until after sometime playing that position
What if a use Ryan Giggs for example as a right winger?? According to the positions, he cant play on that side, only on the left, BUT his stats are perfect for that position (kinda reminds me to Robben) and he has prolific winger. Would that have an impact on his performance??
how do get the ai to change player for you, or get the team to be in the right place all the time. when playing on line people are always there when you play the ball. or press on the player then off so that the ai runs fater then you. when the lost the ball it always goes to there player in the right place,
So on pes mobile it’s possible to switch positions like for example I can change his positions from right wing to second striker. Is it possible on Xbox or console?
Useful advice. Well, a player that plays in his main role, no matter what his rating is, gives the best- that means in the highlighted area. His rating appears to give no influence, positive or negative, to the game. In the other areas, he will be OK, but with diminished capabilities. But his stats will show if he generally fits or not to such a position. But if a player is out of his position, then he is absolutely trash and easy prey, as I've seen a lot of such situations (I remember Higuain as RMF in PES 14). If you want to have a good idea of what position fits for a player, look at his chart the highlighted positions combined with his stats. DO NOT make wierd changes in the defence, the will surely cost you a lot.
Hey Spoony - thanks for another great vid! Question - if a players registered playing style is for example anchorman and you play them as a CMF I've seen youtubers say that they play as a box to box in that case. Is that actually the case? And if that player then played as a CF would they then be a goal poacher or something? In CB a destroyer or something? Also really enjoyed your TOP 3 formations video!
hey spoony pizzas. So many of your early videos make so much sense now. One question; if I install the IPM mod from latest GP version that is on Evoweb, will an exisiting ML game get the benefit or do I have to start a new ML. Only asking here since I was viewing this video and wanted to comment. Cheers.
@@SpoonyPizzas the format , players stats , and instructions are very close thou ..... that's the great thing about efootball they merged it's console and mobile interms of gaming experience it's the same ....I learn alot of things from console players ❤️❤️❤️I will be supporting you bro regardless
I've read you say in some other reply that you've empirically tested the drop in stats doesn't affect performance. Then what I don't see is why konami shows such a huge drop in stats. How so, you think? It's misleading
You see a drop in OVR, not player stats. OVR does not equal playing stats. The dip in OVR doesn't seem to make any sense. I can't explain it...but play Ronaldo as an ACM and he's an 87. Play him as a LM he's an 86. CF 93 and a LWF 94 but he feels the same no matter what position you play him except a little lost as a ACM, sometimes not going forward or breaking into space when he should, like a normal ACM
@@SpoonyPizzasmany thx for your reply; so then a more general question, I apologize if you posted it somewhere else: how is the OVR built? Is it just based on detailed stats, also on position fit/behaviour, or does also the playing style add up to OVR? From my ignorance on this I would expect the detailed stats to be the core contributor to OVR... but from your reply I understand differently... thx
I noticed even if you train a player for captaincy on 19. When they get it and you give them the arm and it makes no difference to team spirit. Yet when I was club brugge I had a player who had no captaincy looking stats but boosted spirit when he was captain??
Its a tricky one on my master league i had asensio who was a lm rated 84 but when placed as a cam was 87 rated. Some have increased stats when placed in a rm or lm position some dont guess its just finding out who those players are if you play a certain formation
cordell sawkins i second this, i played sochaux in pes 2019; topa obadeyi overall was 63, however once you moved him to LM/LWF position his overall increase to that of 67 I concluded that there are several key hidden stat that the game build on in regards to certain position On that note spoony i would really like your take on player role combination as well as key stats for each position/role
Hello mate im asking for pes 2021 actully but i hope u can help. I have 98% team spirit like a week now. I play sim game to increase it to 99% i play generaly with the exact same team but its still stuck at 98% I even used 2 times the ticket and hoped it wil increae finally on 99% but nothing. Wat can be the problem ? Manager familiarity is already 110% so i dont know. Is it mayb bs one player is amf and i use him as cmf?
See, you've got Dybala hugging the wing there, but as an SS. That's always confused me about PES. In what way does a second/shadow striker ever live out on the wing? To the extent it's done, it's what Prolific Winger already covers. Someone's real-life ability to play SS roles shouldn't alone qualify them for being comfortable on the wing. So what does it translate to in terms of on-pitch action? This is one of the many obscure things about the layers of tactical setting in PES, which seem to overlap and run up against each other (tactical settings, advanced instructions, player positions, player roles, skill cards, A/B positions, inspire) - frankly, I think it needs a massive overhaul and simplification. It's a mess right now.
The SS sits just inside the RWF position when you're in possession of the ball and about 3/4 up the pitch. Where as a RWF (unless they have Prolific Winger) will stay wide. Wish the Anchoring role would work. Much prefer my wingers to stay wide. Really wide but that's what Hug the Touchline is for EXCEPT - that also splits your midfield apart a bit... so you kinda need 3 in the middle unless you want to get sliced apart. I think it's just right in all honesty, but it's complicated to learn and even harder to explain LOL!
@@SpoonyPizzas Some of the most tactically astute guys I know (like Matt10L) test out all these different configurations and conclude it's a mess; I don't think the issue here is lack of knowledge. I know, e.g., what the different tactical elements are, but what is always obscure is how they combine and which take precedence. E.g., what happens when you put Deep Defensive Line on, go on +1 or +2 attacking mindset, have 8 for defensive line, put Defensive instruction on one CB, who also has Extra Frontman role, with the defending pressure style set to Aggressive, against a team playing a False Nine SS. This is just one of near infinite combinations, and it's utterly obscure how priorities within that system are worked out on the pitch. So in my view they badly need to overhaul the settings, or at the very least grey out some settings when others are enabled. I can put on Build Up Long, Counter Attack, Counter Target on midfielders, Tiki Taka, Support Range max, Deep Defensive Line. What in the hell does that translate to on the pitch? It's nonsense! The various options need to be made _coherent_ in my view.
@@SpoonyPizzas it's 2020 (game wise) and you can't give specific instructions to players, you could do this on the PlayStation 2 days so why remove it for these vague limited choices? Seems like every time they improve one thing they strip layers away, spoils the game somewhat
Hi spoony, if you could do a video explaining the playmaker team role and how to get it for other players as well. It would be great. Coz I am playing an Arsenal ML and if i sub Auba the team chemistry drops. I want to start finding or molding a new guy into the playmaker role. Forgot to add i am playing PES 2021
Hi mate, you can't train someone's team style like playmaker. It's random. However there's multiple team roles that boost TS. You can view help menu and it tells you which boost TS. Then you can use advanced search to buy players that will boost TS and sometimes they're cheap/free but not decent but at least you get high TS.
@@SpoonyPizzas got it bro. They have to play couple of years to get to playmaker role. However what I didn't understand is that, i molded Fabian Ruiz into play maker role and made him captain, but the TS is not same as Auba being captain. Auba captain gives me 96 TS Ruiz captain gives me 86-87 TS
My main doubt is about the team roles. I mean I don't fully understand how can I make my players be a leader or turn them into idols. Can someone help me with that? I know how each role affects the team, I just don't know how to evolve them to be those roles.
I guess the average changes between positions because the relevance of some stats. Brazilian here, sorry my english, but: as a CB, some stats like Defensive Prowness would have more weight if compared do stats like curve ball and attack proweness. Samething for MAF, where pass acuracy would have importance
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Still a bit annoying how you put Salah at RMF and his overall drops to like 84 though.
There are exceptions which you discover only trying, for example I found austrian Konrad Laimer (CMF, 86 ovr) quite effective as a LB even if it's not a covered position (not just a registered one!): I think this year player's stats impact more the quality of his performance, so you could put a midfielder or a forward with great defensive skills (Laimer's defensive skills are over 80) in your defensive line without significant tactical losses.
What do you think?
I am in total shock you have uploaded this video because i was just texting with WEZZAFC about it a few minutes ago because i was wondering about this subject and here you go uploading this awesome clip. Shoutout to WEZZA the legend!
Yeah Wezza is a legend. Real nice guy
Thanks for the tips and tricks, can’t wait for the full release next week!
Same dude!
Idk dude, Costa at the left flank doesn't feel nearly as impactful.
No impact dude - honestly
You might feel this because he is left footed, so it is harder to cut inside, his ratings and traits probably stay the same
7 DAYS TO GO!!! The wait is ALMOST over!
5? Isn't it 7?
@@ChristGS LMFAO, my wife tricked me........ wrote on a piece of paper 5 DAYS to go! lmao
Yep. Going straight down to Game on the 10th!
@@alibobsmarland9572 Downloading on the 10th at 12a.m!
@@SpoonyPizzas me too lol
Excellent video spoony..most PES RUclipsrs never discussed on this subject ..I see streamers blaming game on players not making runs during attack but they didn't know that playing style of his cm is (b2b) only near half line of pitch , a hole player cm prefers to make runs into box...that's clearly shown by playing style graphic in game..
Thanks dude - yeah this year I'm going to cover topics not many talk about - Playstyles being one.
I have a question: Do you know for a fact, that it does not matter, when the overall rating drops by 8(in this example), which is quite a lot? Or is it more like, what you just experienced it like? Cause I felt different sometimes. There are players where I didn't notice it that much, but others felt just wrong in another position(even though it's highlighted blue), like they just do not matter that much for the match, while on their original position, they mostly have quite a big impact on the game.
An example would be, Messi can play on the left wing too, but always when I do that, I just get the feeling his runs are way less effective and he often doesn't get into dangerous positions at the right time.
I know it through playtime. With regards to Messi being less effective - did his Playstyle get greyed out? Obviously if he's playing deeper he's not going to be perhaps involved as much but that's because of the position not because his stats took a hit.
Hi SpoonyPizzas thank you so much for making this video! You were a great help! :)
Thanks dude :) that's why I'm here bro
@@SpoonyPizzas No problem at all dude you are welcome
Missed this first time round but great stuff as always mate. Once again you taught me something new as I hadn't noticed the playing style being greyed out when you change to a non-compatible position!
Great vid spoony, good for beginners who is new to pes.
I'm just watching this spoony..agree with you on prolific winger style..i play d malen on my master league as a striker and he always like to drift on the left of the field like thierry henry used to be for arsenal
Top video as always! Just for clarity though, the OVR drops and so do the player stats? For example, if Ronaldo is playing at CB and his OVR drops to 67, if he has a shot on goal it will he tonk it into row z?
His player stats when played in blue areas will stay same and tactically he'll be fine even though his OVR rating drops from 94 to 86. If played in the ACM role (green area) his player stats will be unaffected but tactically he'll be slightly off. If played COMPLETELY out of position then he'll have an impact to his stats and tactical suitability.
I really get excited seeing your videos like seriously
Thanks dude, think this is your first comment :) so welcome to my channel
Master League (Q.ARCAS)
If I play a SS on the Right wing and they don't have that position registered, could I acquire it over time on master league by playing on the RWF?
Hmmm... They can learn a position but not sure if it's not registered at all...never tried that
@@SpoonyPizzas thanks for letting me know
It doesn't impact anything, it just shows you who is the most suited player for a position. For instance if you play Kroos CAM he won't be so good because he is slow and his dribbling isn't perfect, that doesn't mean he'll perform bad, that only means that a player has the SUITED ABILITIES for that position.
What about the bars underneath their names? they do be green or blue.
Your videos are fantastic.
You can tell you've a proper love and understanding of the game.
Thank you mate. Do you mean registered positions? Blue means can play there no problem, green means they can play that position but not as well and may not tactically suit until after sometime playing that position
What if a use Ryan Giggs for example as a right winger?? According to the positions, he cant play on that side, only on the left, BUT his stats are perfect for that position (kinda reminds me to Robben) and he has prolific winger. Would that have an impact on his performance??
how do get the ai to change player for you, or get the team to be in the right place all the time. when playing on line people are always there when you play the ball. or press on the player then off so that the ai runs fater then you. when the lost the ball it always goes to there player in the right place,
So on pes mobile it’s possible to switch positions like for example I can change his positions from right wing to second striker. Is it possible on Xbox or console?
Useful advice. Well, a player that plays in his main role, no matter what his rating is, gives the best- that means in the highlighted area. His rating appears to give no influence, positive or negative, to the game. In the other areas, he will be OK, but with diminished capabilities. But his stats will show if he generally fits or not to such a position. But if a player is out of his position, then he is absolutely trash and easy prey, as I've seen a lot of such situations (I remember Higuain as RMF in PES 14). If you want to have a good idea of what position fits for a player, look at his chart the highlighted positions combined with his stats. DO NOT make wierd changes in the defence, the will surely cost you a lot.
Hey Spoony - thanks for another great vid! Question - if a players registered playing style is for example anchorman and you play them as a CMF I've seen youtubers say that they play as a box to box in that case. Is that actually the case? And if that player then played as a CF would they then be a goal poacher or something? In CB a destroyer or something? Also really enjoyed your TOP 3 formations video!
Haha Playstyles is coming man! :)
@@SpoonyPizzas Hahaha just trying to sneak in earlier 😉
Thank you spooney, i didn't know that the drop in degree doesn't matter, thats good info. ,, keep it up dud, big thump up 👍👍👍👏
hey spoony pizzas. So many of your early videos make so much sense now. One question; if I install the IPM mod from latest GP version that is on Evoweb, will an exisiting ML game get the benefit or do I have to start a new ML. Only asking here since I was viewing this video and wanted to comment. Cheers.
New ML mate
@@SpoonyPizzas Cheers dude.
I cant believe i found what i was looking on pes console youtuber 4 years ago ...today and am efootball 2024 mobile user today
Haha no worries and welcome:) (I'm not on mobile though)
@@SpoonyPizzas the format , players stats , and instructions are very close thou ..... that's the great thing about efootball they merged it's console and mobile interms of gaming experience it's the same ....I learn alot of things from console players ❤️❤️❤️I will be supporting you bro regardless
@@Harrypain_for_UCL Thank you dude, I appreciate you
Hey, non related, is there a way to get a past featured player? Or at least attempt more than 3x to get one?
I've read you say in some other reply that you've empirically tested the drop in stats doesn't affect performance. Then what I don't see is why konami shows such a huge drop in stats. How so, you think? It's misleading
You see a drop in OVR, not player stats. OVR does not equal playing stats. The dip in OVR doesn't seem to make any sense. I can't explain it...but play Ronaldo as an ACM and he's an 87. Play him as a LM he's an 86. CF 93 and a LWF 94 but he feels the same no matter what position you play him except a little lost as a ACM, sometimes not going forward or breaking into space when he should, like a normal ACM
@@SpoonyPizzasmany thx for your reply; so then a more general question, I apologize if you posted it somewhere else: how is the OVR built? Is it just based on detailed stats, also on position fit/behaviour, or does also the playing style add up to OVR? From my ignorance on this I would expect the detailed stats to be the core contributor to OVR... but from your reply I understand differently... thx
@@jc-dw1iu each position have key stats, which weigh more or less in the OVR.
I have a question, does it matter who you choose to be the captain?
Yes but only for team spirit dude - which is really important! Cheers
I noticed even if you train a player for captaincy on 19. When they get it and you give them the arm and it makes no difference to team spirit. Yet when I was club brugge I had a player who had no captaincy looking stats but boosted spirit when he was captain??
@@rossfernihough3264 Sevian got there before me and is 100% correct.
Its a tricky one on my master league i had asensio who was a lm rated 84 but when placed as a cam was 87 rated. Some have increased stats when placed in a rm or lm position some dont guess its just finding out who those players are if you play a certain formation
cordell sawkins i second this, i played sochaux in pes 2019; topa obadeyi overall was 63, however once you moved him to LM/LWF position his overall increase to that of 67
I concluded that there are several key hidden stat that the game build on in regards to certain position
On that note spoony i would really like your take on player role combination as well as key stats for each position/role
Hello mate im asking for pes 2021 actully but i hope u can help. I have 98% team spirit like a week now. I play sim game to increase it to 99% i play generaly with the exact same team but its still stuck at 98%
I even used 2 times the ticket and hoped it wil increae finally on 99% but nothing. Wat can be the problem ? Manager familiarity is already 110% so i dont know. Is it mayb bs one player is amf and i use him as cmf?
See, you've got Dybala hugging the wing there, but as an SS. That's always confused me about PES. In what way does a second/shadow striker ever live out on the wing? To the extent it's done, it's what Prolific Winger already covers. Someone's real-life ability to play SS roles shouldn't alone qualify them for being comfortable on the wing. So what does it translate to in terms of on-pitch action? This is one of the many obscure things about the layers of tactical setting in PES, which seem to overlap and run up against each other (tactical settings, advanced instructions, player positions, player roles, skill cards, A/B positions, inspire) - frankly, I think it needs a massive overhaul and simplification. It's a mess right now.
The SS sits just inside the RWF position when you're in possession of the ball and about 3/4 up the pitch. Where as a RWF (unless they have Prolific Winger) will stay wide. Wish the Anchoring role would work. Much prefer my wingers to stay wide. Really wide but that's what Hug the Touchline is for EXCEPT - that also splits your midfield apart a bit... so you kinda need 3 in the middle unless you want to get sliced apart. I think it's just right in all honesty, but it's complicated to learn and even harder to explain LOL!
@@SpoonyPizzas Some of the most tactically astute guys I know (like Matt10L) test out all these different configurations and conclude it's a mess; I don't think the issue here is lack of knowledge. I know, e.g., what the different tactical elements are, but what is always obscure is how they combine and which take precedence. E.g., what happens when you put Deep Defensive Line on, go on +1 or +2 attacking mindset, have 8 for defensive line, put Defensive instruction on one CB, who also has Extra Frontman role, with the defending pressure style set to Aggressive, against a team playing a False Nine SS. This is just one of near infinite combinations, and it's utterly obscure how priorities within that system are worked out on the pitch. So in my view they badly need to overhaul the settings, or at the very least grey out some settings when others are enabled. I can put on Build Up Long, Counter Attack, Counter Target on midfielders, Tiki Taka, Support Range max, Deep Defensive Line. What in the hell does that translate to on the pitch? It's nonsense! The various options need to be made _coherent_ in my view.
@@SpoonyPizzas it's 2020 (game wise) and you can't give specific instructions to players, you could do this on the PlayStation 2 days so why remove it for these vague limited choices? Seems like every time they improve one thing they strip layers away, spoils the game somewhat
Hi spoony, if you could do a video explaining the playmaker team role and how to get it for other players as well. It would be great.
Coz I am playing an Arsenal ML and if i sub Auba the team chemistry drops. I want to start finding or molding a new guy into the playmaker role.
Forgot to add i am playing PES 2021
Hi mate, you can't train someone's team style like playmaker. It's random. However there's multiple team roles that boost TS. You can view help menu and it tells you which boost TS. Then you can use advanced search to buy players that will boost TS and sometimes they're cheap/free but not decent but at least you get high TS.
@@SpoonyPizzas got it bro. They have to play couple of years to get to playmaker role.
However what I didn't understand is that, i molded Fabian Ruiz into play maker role and made him captain, but the TS is not same as Auba being captain.
Auba captain gives me 96 TS
Ruiz captain gives me 86-87 TS
Almost spoony!!!!!!!!!!! Excited!
My main doubt is about the team roles. I mean I don't fully understand how can I make my players be a leader or turn them into idols. Can someone help me with that? I know how each role affects the team, I just don't know how to evolve them to be those roles.
It's random mate. There is something within the player ID which determines if they become a bad boy, fighter, idol.etc
If you play a player out of position on ML for a few games do they adjust like on fifa ?
No mate
If you often play for example an LM/LF as a LB, will the player get used to the postion at some stage and will the position get green or even blue?
I've not played someone long enough out of position...but I would guess they would. They definitely turn green.
@@SpoonyPizzas might give it a try with a white ball
Inept colour scheme: blue for great and green for good. What a bumble.
Not really, red is the worst blue the best, red orange yellow green blue is the correct order
HOW DO YOU CHANGE THE FORMATION
Hi how to use dipping shot and rising shot for fifa can you shoot short video? Please😡
Hey dude - I don't cover FIFA mate. I've already done videos on this for PES 2020 :) check out the tutorials playlist dude
Good job! You play on PC or console?
Both! :)
@@SpoonyPizzas Ok ps4 or Xbox
I guess the average changes between positions because the relevance of some stats.
Brazilian here, sorry my english, but:
as a CB, some stats like Defensive Prowness would have more weight if compared do stats like curve ball and attack proweness. Samething for MAF, where pass acuracy would have importance
Very good point mate. That could be the reason!
why not posting about man city ?
Plz do a pee mobile 2020 vid. Love from England
Sorry mate, I'm rubbish at PES mobile and wouldn't be able to offer nothing. There is a RUclipsr called POKO who makes PES mobile videos.
It does spoony I just play someone who copy this. And I whooped there ass haha
Think I'll buy wreckfest instead looks more enjoyable too play
Wreckfest.is quality and so much fun but doesn't have a lot of shelf life.
@@SpoonyPizzas it will in multiplayer
Bro in Xbox controller
Take notes Fifa..
Spoony = pes Wikipedia
Lol Pesipedia