Bang Bang Bang + Fantastic Baby + Sober BEST LIVE EVER! -2016 BIGBANG 0.TO.10 Final in Japan Osaka

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  • @lemonsunobi
    @lemonsunobi 9 месяцев назад +176

    They can hype the crowd with just their presence!!
    This is what a true performance is. Not lypsinc. No complicated dance steps. Vocals, confidence, stage presence!! We cant see this in new kpop gen.

    • @jhomsubiaga-cabaro5715
      @jhomsubiaga-cabaro5715 8 месяцев назад +4

      That's why they are true Kings 👑 don't need a sexy and cheesy songs and dance, just pure talent swag and charisma 😎 🔥

  • @正典廣瀬
    @正典廣瀬 10 месяцев назад +126

    本当に、BIGBANGは、俺の生きがいでした。
    初めて、福岡ヤフードーム(現在)福岡PayPayドームで、ライブを見て、BIGBANGの一発で、ファンなりました。今でも、永遠に、BIGBANGのファンです。いつか、また、5人で、大集合して、ライブを見に行きたいです。本当に、もう一度、感動と感謝と感激を貰いたいです。本当に、過去に、もどれかなら、2016年のBIGBANGのライブに、戻りたいです。本当に、BIGBANG、ありがとうございます。いつでも、ファンを大切なグループは、BIGBANGだけです。本当に、もう一度、ライブ開催を楽しみ待ってます。

  • @nakkuzee
    @nakkuzee Год назад +170

    TOP has the most stable rapping voice in kpop when it comes to live performance. Crisp and controlled just like the studio version. Some rappers just yell their lyrics when they perform but not him. His breathing technique is elite level.

    • @izgunner8487
      @izgunner8487 3 месяца назад +2

      I would argue that it's the same league... I would say it's above it cuz of many improvisations by him 😆

  • @valeriesabiano5257
    @valeriesabiano5257 2 года назад +927

    they're so comfortable on stage.. kpop nowadays always play by the book.. like they practice and they perform exactly that down to the detail. Bigbang has that carefree vibe when they perform yet it's never sloppy.I And every member almost always does adlib, but how is that that they never go overboard, it's never too much.. And they have insane energy. How could they perform Bang3x, FanBae and Sober continuously? Insane..

    • @Henry_44
      @Henry_44 2 года назад +53

      Exactly,kpop nowadays is extremely boring i would say

    • @wazihawahid5815
      @wazihawahid5815 2 года назад +32

      Kpop always boring at least for me who already exposed with kpop since i was young, ( i'm 40 btw) becoz my country broadcasted many korea dramas, music shows everyday.....but only bigbang is exceptional

    • @scablet
      @scablet 2 года назад +21

      plus they have difference
      voices from each other and other groups...nowadays everybody sounds the same

    • @mr.r4ndomxii
      @mr.r4ndomxii 2 года назад +8

      @@Henry_44 of course how is it possible that the current kpop generation can rival the king

    • @鈴木誠-h4n
      @鈴木誠-h4n Год назад

      😊

  • @yetyet0978
    @yetyet0978 10 месяцев назад +146

    You know the mic is on when you can hear the adlibs of TOP & the rest of the members 🥰😂😂🤭

  • @TheBlackyburn
    @TheBlackyburn 8 месяцев назад +24

    The best stage I have ever seen with the best sonic system

  • @kaladinrad
    @kaladinrad Месяц назад +24

    After all these years.. Bigbang returned to MAMA to remind everyone that they're still the standard. My God, the gap in stage presence compared to newer generation of idols is leagues ahead.

  • @乱視-q1c
    @乱視-q1c 9 месяцев назад +31

    いつ見ても鳥肌立っちまう

    • @jhomsubiaga-cabaro5715
      @jhomsubiaga-cabaro5715 8 месяцев назад +1

      The Comeback that we want to see 😢 BigBang Tvxq needs to educate and school the new Gens

  • @fisans8771
    @fisans8771 10 месяцев назад +29

    still not over this performance. they're just so damn good

  • @よせ-q1q
    @よせ-q1q 5 месяцев назад +155

    KPOPが再燃してまた戻ってきたけど
    今も尚
    メンズグループで唯一無二の絶対王者の風格があるのはBIGBANGしかないんだよな

    • @REDROBIN_88
      @REDROBIN_88 3 месяца назад +5

      そうそれ。この雰囲気と盛り上げ方とカリスマ性は誰も越えれない。

  • @あうぽよ-t9m
    @あうぽよ-t9m 2 года назад +141

    小学生から今でもBIGBANGを聞いてる。割とガチで飽きが無い。色んなᴋ-ᴘᴏᴘ出てきてるけど、やっぱトップはBIGBANGだよ。戻ってきてくれてありがとう。

    • @oliver-kahn
      @oliver-kahn 2 года назад +1

      みんな戻ったんですか?

    • @uni9431
      @uni9431 2 года назад +3

      @@oliver-kahn
      No😂 lol

    • @YOSAKOI11
      @YOSAKOI11 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@uni9431何がおかしい?普通に笑うところおかしいだろ

    • @shk3337
      @shk3337 11 месяцев назад +4

      빅뱅이 저 고등학교때 데뷔했는데 당시 한국에서 남자 아이돌하면 어린 여학생들의 팬이 몰린반면 빅뱅은 학생 성인 남녀 다 좋아하는 분위기였어요~~^^

    • @박구라-k1g
      @박구라-k1g 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@shk3337죽닥치고잇어라

  • @ogucci418
    @ogucci418 3 года назад +532

    まだ現役の時はちょっと好きくらいだったけどどんどん好きになっていくよ
    早くみんなで揃ってライブやって欲しい

  • @MumtazBegumRetina
    @MumtazBegumRetina 7 месяцев назад +222

    Kpop can never reach this level of BIGBANG.

  • @annjingco
    @annjingco 2 года назад +304

    Bringing the Japanese crowd this wild is an incredible feat. The stage is incredible and their performance!

    • @OUOU46
      @OUOU46 9 месяцев назад +2

      Of course and especially they put japanese lyrics in many songs like Bangx3 and Fantastic boy in this clip. If they sang in my language I would be more high as well.

  • @yuuuuu2854
    @yuuuuu2854 Год назад +141

    こんな盛り上がってるライブ見た事ない

    • @団長-e6x
      @団長-e6x 10 месяцев назад +8

      曲が神すぎる

  • @まさ-h8k
    @まさ-h8k 11 месяцев назад +16

    ジヨンちゃんの
    僕ちゃんはパーフェクト
    可愛くて何回も見ちゃう

  • @iPhone-z2g
    @iPhone-z2g 11 месяцев назад +86

    この必殺技3連発みたいな感じほんとカッコ良すぎる😱

  • @りゅうりゅう-k8d
    @りゅうりゅう-k8d 2 года назад +314

    BIGBANGがカムバするからまた戻って来たけどやっぱりBIGBANGしか勝たんわ!!!!

    • @Bis-co
      @Bis-co 2 года назад +7

      そうですよね!!
      楽しみに待ちましょう😊

    • @りゅうりゅう-k8d
      @りゅうりゅう-k8d 2 года назад +5

      @@Bis-co 本当です!!!早くカムバしてほしい!!w気長に待ちましょ😊

    • @こってりスープ
      @こってりスープ 2 года назад +3

      本当ですか?!戻ってくるんですか?!

    • @りゅうりゅう-k8d
      @りゅうりゅう-k8d 2 года назад +3

      @@こってりスープ そうですよ〜今年の春にカムバしますよ!!!😊やっとあの王様が帰ってきますよ!!!!!

    • @テテちゃん-s7n
      @テテちゃん-s7n 2 года назад +1

      戻ってきますねBIGBANG
      帰ってくるあのグループがカムバは韓国ですかね?日本とかないのかな

  • @chousaya0610
    @chousaya0610 9 месяцев назад +15

    これが伝説の夜
    This is Legendary Night

  • @abigail.staley
    @abigail.staley 2 года назад +295

    The amount of stage presence Big Bang holds is limitless, holy crap.

  • @guillanbalonga833
    @guillanbalonga833 2 месяца назад +12

    Now a days there's a lot of groups that surpassed BB popularity but no one can catch up my attention,,BB is the best of all

  • @diannovianti12
    @diannovianti12 3 года назад +640

    up until now no idol group can beat bigbang stage, this is the best performance ever and really hard to find other artist do performance like this, and by the the hybe from vip japan is really nice, i like everything on this performance

    • @yeyengpahlawan6554
      @yeyengpahlawan6554 3 года назад +10

      Bigbang mah emang beda hyung 😭
      Ini tahun 9 gua jadi VIP nggak pernah sama skali pinda fandom

    • @tinaweking6360
      @tinaweking6360 3 года назад

      @@yeyengpahlawan6554 sama dong kita salam knl ya

    • @ch_rlotte
      @ch_rlotte 3 года назад +2

      Fr

    • @veronika0433
      @veronika0433 2 года назад +1

      setujuuuu, the one and only

    • @BB4ever
      @BB4ever 2 года назад +1

      Ive been a fan 12 years. Never moved to any fandom. I only stan them bcuz im not much into kpop

  • @panih.6776
    @panih.6776 3 года назад +394

    I miss them soooo much. K-pop just hasn’t been the same since they went silent… praying for them all to reunite and bring us their magic again. No one can compare to them.

    • @junsim45
      @junsim45 2 года назад +6

      they’re back baby😈😈

    • @sicoy
      @sicoy 2 года назад

      @@junsim45 what ?

    • @christopherriley2462
      @christopherriley2462 2 года назад +8

      @@sicoy in April they came out with their comeback song Still Life as a 4 man group (Seungri obv not still in the group)

    • @vibes7255
      @vibes7255 Год назад +1

      Damn... look at them now

    • @imanemafhoum407
      @imanemafhoum407 Год назад

      @@vibes7255 they’re not gonna comeback as a group??

  • @06itsu8_t
    @06itsu8_t 14 часов назад +1

    やっぱこの時のメンバーの髪型が1番好きなんだよなー!!特にDAESUNG、TOP、GDの3人カッコよすぎる超似合ってる

  • @だい-h8x
    @だい-h8x 11 месяцев назад +80

    ほんまにこのカリスマ性といいライブの盛り上げ方が上手いのはBIGBANGしかおらんのよなー

  • @wazihawahid5815
    @wazihawahid5815 10 месяцев назад +25

    Bigbang concerts like 5 best performers collaborated together at one stage....they have different charms yet very intimidating

  • @briggsthemaniac
    @briggsthemaniac 7 месяцев назад +36

    There is Kpop. And there is BIGBANG.
    Simple and Plain.

  • @jasonnash4452
    @jasonnash4452 7 месяцев назад +39

    they were in a league of their own. made era prob the best and biggest era of any kpop group for sure.

  • @Lightnatural
    @Lightnatural Год назад +58

    No group does it like Big Bang when it comes to LIVE performance.

  • @jaegerr1935
    @jaegerr1935 Год назад +28

    かっこいいどころの表現じゃ収まりきらない

  • @cholidahchldh1676
    @cholidahchldh1676 Год назад +22

    I was going down the rabbit hole of other idols covering bang bang bang and tbh quite fascinated by some of performances. But then I went back to these legends and noooooope! Changed my mind immediately. Other group's rendition is not even half as good as the originals. With their stage act, dance style, voice (TOP's voice is just ugh!), and most importantly stage presence, they're legend for a reason. How I wish to be able to see them live again.

    • @doriangray3116
      @doriangray3116  Год назад +3

      Well said!

    • @wazihawahid5815
      @wazihawahid5815 Год назад +4

      Most of them did good covers but of coz they cannot even surpass or at the same level with bigbang.....there's a reason why bigbang kings of kpop 😊

  • @captainpotatocrunch3893
    @captainpotatocrunch3893 2 года назад +83

    To say that BIGBANG is a beast on stage is an understatement

  • @junmune9732
    @junmune9732 2 года назад +18

    fantasticbaby から sober の繋ぎが好きすぎて
    それ見にこの動画きてる

  • @てって-h3e
    @てって-h3e 2 года назад +33

    もうすぐ25歳、びっべんに出会ったのが13歳で12年もリアルタイムで推せてるのが本当に尊い思い出。

  • @エホントニ
    @エホントニ 2 года назад +162

    皆合いの手めっちゃ入れてるのに邪魔になってないの凄すぎる

  • @どこかのだれか-v6w
    @どこかのだれか-v6w 2 года назад +164

    曲の繋ぎが最高すぎる

  • @iffahadlina6992
    @iffahadlina6992 Год назад +41

    Not many understand the incredible spectacular hype bigbang creates whenever they perfom live 😭😭

  • @janaris97
    @janaris97 Год назад +53

    This gen of idols could never

    • @jorgancrath5713
      @jorgancrath5713 Год назад +11

      we're evolving backwards since the Bigbang and TVXQ era.

    • @jhomsubiaga-cabaro5715
      @jhomsubiaga-cabaro5715 8 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@jorgancrath5713 True 😂 BigBang and Tvxq needs to schooled the Newgens

  • @poooko-d9m
    @poooko-d9m Месяц назад +28

    おい、また戻ってきちまったぞ…
    俺らのKINGが!!!!!

  • @missmarsism
    @missmarsism 9 месяцев назад +7

    i want to scream out loud at my office now!!! PLEASE COMEBACK!!

  • @nana_okappachan
    @nana_okappachan 2 года назад +115

    BIGBANGのライブ映像はじめて見たけど、カッコよすぎてヤバい🔥

  • @wazihawahid5815
    @wazihawahid5815 2 года назад +110

    one of my favorite bigbang concert!!!!!!!! they're PERFECT....i've been watching this hundred times

  • @おがおが-i9s
    @おがおが-i9s 2 года назад +32

    普段ラップしか聞かんのだけどKpopの客層の熱量えぐいな笑めっちゃ楽しそう

  • @abigail.staley
    @abigail.staley 2 года назад +50

    This is just mesmerizing, from Big Bang’s performance to the infinite amount of VIPs chanting, screaming, waving the light stick. It’s so amazing to watch this performance.

  • @user-xy7gr6wo1j
    @user-xy7gr6wo1j 11 месяцев назад +9

    WEST.がfantastic babyを番組で踊っていて曲も好きだなと思ったし、メンバーもBIGBANG好きな人多いと以前から言っていたので見に来ました。迫力ある歌と盛り上げ力が凄い!私が持っていたケーポのイメージと全く違っていて彼らが好きなのも納得過ぎました。そしてルーツは1つじゃ無いでしょうが、Liveの熱さとか、影響されてるのかなと思いました。

    • @annjhh
      @annjhh 11 месяцев назад +1

      Play a 😊😊

  • @cry7255
    @cry7255 Год назад +230

    今でも聞いてる人ーー?🙋

  • @himorher8946
    @himorher8946 9 месяцев назад +10

    Big Bang is the Best of best male idol in entire k-pop History, Change my mind 😌

  • @いちご餅-b9j
    @いちご餅-b9j Месяц назад +10

    曲も繋げ方も盛り上げ方も全て完璧すぎて、、😭

  • @ジーク-z3i
    @ジーク-z3i Год назад +24

    レベチで格好良すぎるだろ!
    BIGBANG今でも好きだぜ!

  • @yuuka1327
    @yuuka1327 8 месяцев назад +16

    BIGBANGを好きになった時はまだ小さくてライブに行けなくていつも行ってるお兄ちゃんが羨ましかったなTT
    一回だけで良いから一度だけ5人のライブに行きたい!!大好き!!

  • @jayceliang9170
    @jayceliang9170 Год назад +65

    Until now their live performance is the only one that gives me goosebumps every time. Their stage presence is 🔥🔥🔥 the energy is insane! They look like they’re just having so much fun on stage! We need another concert 😢

  • @loving060759
    @loving060759 3 года назад +89

    No one can really beat BIGBANG live performances!!! Truly the KINGS of KPOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @JidiKwon
    @JidiKwon Год назад +9

    songs you didnt previously appreciated will blow you away once you see and hear it live

  • @Stringer710
    @Stringer710 2 года назад +62

    Kpop concerts in Japan are always legendary. Japanese fans know how to party 🔥

  • @shino-tan
    @shino-tan Год назад +37

    私の中の永遠のKING!

  • @ivykim6648
    @ivykim6648 Год назад +21

    This is what concert should be performed

  • @user-iu8gl4bz1g
    @user-iu8gl4bz1g 11 месяцев назад +58

    マジで急にこれが見たくなる時が来る

  • @ゆづぽん-g1s
    @ゆづぽん-g1s 2 года назад +16

    いやもうNo.1よ。
    何回見てもカッコ良すぎるわ…好き!

  • @fisans8771
    @fisans8771 8 месяцев назад +11

    once again thinking about bangchella 🥲

  • @きむじん-h7m
    @きむじん-h7m 6 месяцев назад +20

    今頃BIGBANGにどハマりしたの後悔しかない、、、もう一度5人で集まんないかな😢

  • @のか-h2d
    @のか-h2d 9 месяцев назад +12

    本当に戻ってきて欲しい。

  • @user-hk6gu2fd9c
    @user-hk6gu2fd9c Год назад +12

    treasureのライブで聴くと本家がやっぱ見たくなる😅
    BIGBANGはやっぱ最高だね。
    アハ、アハ、アハーン、ウォイ!

  • @Se__1125
    @Se__1125 11 месяцев назад +19

    やっぱりいつ見てもBIGBANGは最高だし最強

  • @26ca37
    @26ca37 2 года назад +25

    当時の記憶がよみがえりました。素晴らしい5人でした。ライブ本当に楽しかった。有り難う!

  • @checky6849
    @checky6849 27 дней назад +3

    ビックバンはステージごとに違うパフォーマンス見せてくれるから飽きない

  • @starlitmagi
    @starlitmagi Год назад +10

    The energy level is steady the WHOLE WAY THROUGH. Holy crap this is amazing, so sad I never got to experience this live

  • @komsillo
    @komsillo Месяц назад +10

    여기 이번에 마마했던데임 여기서 단독 콘서트에다가 만석 빅뱅은 진짜 레전드다

  • @Chhilida05109
    @Chhilida05109 3 года назад +76

    Even BigBang song so different from other because we always enjoy the music every BigBang performance. We jump together, we scream together, we sing together and we happy together, I don’t regret that I still VIPs from the Beginning until now🙂🙂😉😉

  • @はむちゃか
    @はむちゃか Год назад +10

    まじで何回でも見れる

  • @sk-vv7um
    @sk-vv7um 3 месяца назад +5

    i swear nothing can subtitute these songs, bigbang remains a heritage in human history.

  • @tomatoma8349
    @tomatoma8349 Год назад +8

    懐かしい?!!。
    あー!あの日は最高だったよ

  • @リーマスセブルス
    @リーマスセブルス 2 года назад +30

    個人的に一番好きな三曲で、最初から最後までずっと鳥肌です。。

  • @white_hetero
    @white_hetero 2 года назад +19

    bigbangが完全体の時にライブ行けなかったの一生の後悔w
    コロナ終わったあとでもいつになってもいいから、bigbangまたライブしてほしいな…

  • @徒然草-o1j
    @徒然草-o1j 2 года назад +19

    SOBARへの繋ぎがカッコ良すぎる

  • @kawazakisama
    @kawazakisama 3 года назад +200

    No one can make the stage on fire except BIGBANG

  • @kelkiegimm2420
    @kelkiegimm2420 3 года назад +40

    This literally was the BEST EVER! I can only imagine what it would have been like to be there live! Love from the USA 🇺🇸🥰

  • @xcivweirdo4348
    @xcivweirdo4348 Год назад +15

    i watch this again and again everytime i miss bigbang ㅠㅠ

  • @ya31.
    @ya31. Год назад +10

    BIGBANGカッコ良すぎます…スンちゃんに逢いたい…

  • @rosemarinas603
    @rosemarinas603 2 года назад +19

    I will never stop adoring Bigbang. Your concert will always be on my bucket list, until whenever

  • @mark_benedicto
    @mark_benedicto 3 года назад +205

    YES BIGBANG is inactive for several years but NO ONE can ever touch BIGBANG in terms of LIVE PERFORMANCES! Their STAGE PRESENCE is uncomparable!

    • @zindelvalle8707
      @zindelvalle8707 3 года назад +9

      i was still praying for this 5 to sing together again please

  • @alfiahazqyr5532
    @alfiahazqyr5532 2 года назад +24

    the best concert ever in kpop whole generation

    • @JH-bb8in
      @JH-bb8in 2 года назад +6

      the young kids in kpop can't live up this level

  • @kimyuna3424
    @kimyuna3424 2 года назад +24

    It is known that the Japanese have a soft voice but vip voice is strong
    Big Bang took first place in everything.
    My dream is to attend Big Bang concerts.
    Vip forever

  • @mazinha7154
    @mazinha7154 3 года назад +15

    they have something that no one else has. please come back, im begging you.

  • @バットマン-n4q
    @バットマン-n4q 8 месяцев назад +18

    死ぬまでに一回でもいいから、観に行きたかった、、、😢

  • @えむち-k1e
    @えむち-k1e 4 месяца назад +6

    11歳の時に好きになって、来月で25歳…
    ずっとずっとビッベンだけを、ジヨンだけを愛してきた……🥲
    あの頃ビッペンだった友達はどんどん他のグループにハマっていって、
    新しいアイドルも見た方がいいよ!とも言われたけど
    どうしてもビッベン以外好きになれなくて、興味も湧かなくて…
    昨日ジヨンの誕生日だったし今日はビッベンにとってもペンにとっても大事な日だから見に来たけど大好きだーーー😭
    🐲👼🐼☀🔝❤

  • @josiahjones7066
    @josiahjones7066 Год назад +18

    True goats of kpop. Stage presence like no other

  • @wazihawahid5815
    @wazihawahid5815 Год назад +16

    I really love when these 5 perform on stage, there's nothing prrfect other than watching them singing together like this, pls one more tour with complete members, in japan specifially bevoz i love their atmosphere...plus jvip love all members

    • @gabriellajessica9324
      @gabriellajessica9324 Год назад +2

      Remember we almost have them at Coachella😭😭😭

    • @wazihawahid5815
      @wazihawahid5815 Год назад +2

      @@gabriellajessica9324 yeah but the covid destroyed our chance....

  • @richardjhongutierrez3986
    @richardjhongutierrez3986 6 месяцев назад +6

    The Stage presence are soo damn strong, What a Performance

  • @daywhen7237
    @daywhen7237 Год назад +7

    この動画何回もみにくるくらい好き

  • @arjo5513
    @arjo5513 Год назад +30

    Fantastic Baby is normally not one of my favorites (on account of how outdated it sounds) but man... when they perform it live it's the most hype I ever get in a live performance. The energy and stage presence is unparalleled.

    • @knottedtwig3289
      @knottedtwig3289 Год назад +5

      Agree! The song itself is extremely dated but when performed live it is an absolute blast

    • @master.jeremiah
      @master.jeremiah Год назад +4

      Agree. I usually skip it on music app but when they perform it live it's like becoming a whole new different song.

  • @ss-bp3yw
    @ss-bp3yw 3 года назад +52

    毎日見てるなぁ〜。この歌好き!

  • @bl_lov3rsss
    @bl_lov3rsss 2 года назад +16

    That's why they are the kings of kpop.
    This is how you do a concert... kings of kpop even if they are in hiatus.

  • @lucretiareflejo3036
    @lucretiareflejo3036 3 года назад +39

    Big Bang is still the standard I measure all Kpop groups by.

  • @JeongTatoPotato1001
    @JeongTatoPotato1001 2 года назад +13

    Will we ever see you guys together like this again? We all miss you Big Bang.

  • @KimDodok.
    @KimDodok. 11 месяцев назад +6

    Always get goosebumps on my skin whenever watch their great performance. No doubt that BIGBANG were the greatest group of the Kpop history. It was such a pleasure that i could enjoy their music for my entire childhood. Never gonna forget our legends 🥰👍

  • @Kermitlee
    @Kermitlee 2 года назад +13

    Not me crying over this, i miss them so so much. I want them to perform whenever they feel comfortable and happy even if it hurts cuz their happiness comes above all

  • @catherinecadungog5711
    @catherinecadungog5711 3 года назад +70

    Bigbang concert is really different. But their tokyo concert is muuucchhh morree lit!! Thats why I usually buy tickets in japan concert.

  • @好きなものはお米
    @好きなものはお米 2 года назад +15

    毎日聴いてる!!!!!

  • @Kuri_Kwon
    @Kuri_Kwon 3 месяца назад +5

    What an amazing powerful perfomance. It is so sad that i will never be able to see them(5) perform together.

  • @ゆゆ-w3g5c
    @ゆゆ-w3g5c 3 года назад +34

    7:18のアレンジからのカモンオオサカかっこよすぎか