@@LucasR013 heiskanen is a one of the top defender in the league and also young under 24-25. only makar and fox are better, maybe other options but hughes and dahlin are not better
Dude, stars did amazing that draft reminds me of NJ in '20/'21 only lump together because the Hall trade which got ARI ('20 1st + '21 3rd) in 2020 drafted Holtz at 7, than Mercer w/ ARI 1st, Mukhumadulin at 20th- who gotta see still, but think is legit, than next yr. got Luke Hughes & used ARI 3rd to trade for Jonas Siegenthaler.
@@noah_noah_noah I guess I considered Luke & Holtz as sure NHLers w/ Luke min. 2nd pair top #1D, & Holtz min. 3rd pair + PP2 tops top 6 + PP1, & only Mukhumadullin as the wait and see, but yeah it depends on those three.
@@noah_noah_noah yeah but heiskanen is a top 15-10 defensemen in the league. robertson is a top 30 player in the league and oettinger is a top 15-10 goalie
Weak draft at the time but it's turned out to be pretty deep considering amost every 2nd round pick in the draft has at least played 1 NHL game so far. Robertson is the real steal getting a 40 goal scorer in the second round. I like Heiskenen but i wouldn't have him higher than Pettersson. Heiskenen is no Makar.
The 2017 draft ended up having a GENERATIONAL defenseman in it. If this was known back then, the public consensus would be unanimous that 2017 was a very strong draft.
@@BaLuuish Don't overuse the word generational. Heiskanen is great and I love his game, he will be a top 10, maybe top 5 d-man for a long time, but he's nowhere close to generational
Nick Suzuki would play really nicely on the Avs' forward core. He'd probably play second line w/ Nichushkin. That would be fun! But I'm good w/ Makar lol. Losing that lottery is the best loss in Avs history
Wouldn't have mattered either way. Seen several sources that state Colorado knew who they were after and would have taken him at #1 overall if they had won the draft lottery. Colorado scouts did their job to perfection for Sakic.
Wow, I didn't realize Dallas got all 3 of those players in the same draft. That certainly speeds up a retool. Would have taken most teams 3 drafts to get those players.
I’m a Detroit lions fan as well as red wings. That story reminds me of when all our scouts wanted Aaron Donald but GM Martin Mayhew thought he was too small. We took Eric Ebron instead and the rest is history
@@peterdragon6367 - My Raiders have you beat. Gave up Khalil Mack for Henry Ruggs III and Damon Arnette. One guy is going to prison for killing someone while drunk driving and the other guy is out of the league for thinking he's living in GTA.
Heiskanen is better in every way. Others are toss-ups. Hishier is a good player, he's not #2 in this draft, not even a clear #3. I'd take several guys over him same as THG
could you do a video on the history of different rule changes maybe make it a series like the history of icing, the history of offside, the history of penalties stuff like that. love your content.
@FaTMother I would argue that Pettersson would be better than him without his injuries, Thomas is a phenomenal player no disrespect on his name I just personally think Elias potential is a bit higher
On Nico Hischier: "The advanced stats would tell you that his two way game is not fantastic." Going to need your sources on this one Shannon. The book on Nico to this point is that he's generally an analytics darling, with a very strong two-way game vs elite competition, but people are waiting for his point totals to finally blossom. He's a possession player/facilitator, not a sniper, so he needs a good finisher on his line. It looked like the Devils had found a line combination that was clicking with him at the end of last season (over a ppg production in the final third of the season) so we'll see what happens this coming year. In hindsight, for what was considered a weak draft going into it I'd say most teams picking in the top 10 should be happy with their guys. Dallas obviously hit the jackpot on multiple picks. Makar turned out to be a dominant player. The miss that stands out at the top is Nolan Patrick but that seems like bad luck. He wasn't a bad player per se but the injuries kept piling up and spiraled from there in a vicious cycle. Those injury concerns caused him to fall out of the number 1 spot but I'm sure if the Flyers didn't take him at 2 he wouldn't have fallen far.
No better reminder of Ken Holland’s incompetence than seeing Rasmussen drop out of the top 20. His last decade with the Wings devastated the franchise…
Drafting is always a crapshoot after the top 3, every pick is pretty much a gamble and hindsight, you can say X player was amazing at the time and then fell apart
@@mattbaker2322 yes but he still not a top 10 selected player. If Rasmussen was selected 29th or in the 2nd Rd, that's a good pick. But when you see the players we passed over for Rasmussen, that's what makes the pick bad.
the top 10 is outstanding...but it does thin out quickly. wouldve liked if you listed a few who you think would be on the list in another year or two (Boqvist in NJ)..or who moves up. ( Formenton or Thomas for me)
After this most recent 2023 draft, I am so happy to see how far the Flyers have come since this atrocious 2017 draft when we drafted the only non-all star in the Top 5 who barely played a handful of NHL games no less... Now after the last 2 drafts with Cutter Gauthier & Matvei Michkov I am so excited about the future of the Fly-guys!!!
Still think Hischier stays top 5, above Norris and Suzuki, but good draft overall. Would love to see a lot more in this series. Then you could make a new series on which teams did better across drafts in general when comparing spot drafted vs redraft spots. Like Stars and Sens did pretty well in 2017 with multiple picks in that regard
@@AceMatthew25414 in what ways was Suzuki a better two way forward? I haven’t seen every stat obviously, but Hischier had better Corsi For, DFF, Goals For at even strength %, and Faceoff%. He also had better goals and points per 60. That’s mostly what I based it off of, but I’m genuinely open to being wrong if there are better stats out there that I’m not aware of. I use Puckpedia for my info if that helps
Im an all day Devils fan. Nico is extremely over rated. While he took a huge leap last year he still for a first overall stinks...for the first several years of his career he produced absolutely nothing while allowing a stiff breeze to knock him off the puck. No player Ive ever seen would fall over face first more than Nico. Seeing children attempting to develop on the NHL has been excruciating in NJ with no end in sight. 2023 NJ misses the playoffs again.
@@yoholmes273 I wonder if his development has something to do with him going over to Switzerland and doing his military service during an offseason some 1 or 2 years ago
Love where you have Mikey Anderson. Personally, yes you can call me bias. I'd have him go 13th, so only two spots earlier. His defense is already close to elite if not already. His physical game is crazy underrated, and he's been playing on the first line for two straight seasons now. At his age with Drew Doughty and too be that good it's amazing.
Blues fan here. I'll keep the '17 draft we had. :) First three picks: Thomas 1st(20th overall), Kostin 1st(31st overall), Toropchenko 4th(113th overall) Kostin hasn't been what I hoped yet, but still not a bust. Thomas has become a bonafide playmaker, and one of our best players at a young age. Already the best passer we've had since Adam Oates. (homer alert) I put Thomas top 5 in this hindsight draft class. Bonus: Toropchenko has turned out to be a 4th round steal. Bill Armstrong rocked as an amateur scout.
Would New Jersey have allowed Makar to go back to that second year of NCAA, where his development really went off? I never see this addressed as there are way to many variables. Does he develop into the player he is today on a different team?
Redrafts are an interesting exercise. I do wonder how many teams would consider trading the players that you dropped down. There's still some upside or unrealized potential on some of these players and teams don't always want to give up until they have to.
As a wings I like that you have Lindstrom in the 1st round, but I'd definitely have Rasmussen ahead of him. I think Ras is top 20 worthy and if he continues developing he should be able to justify being a top 10 pick. I always tried to imagine the player he could become when he is 25-27.
He had a rough year. He was great defensively but terrible offensively under Ducharme. Then under St Louis he flipped, was great offensively but bad defensively. Likely somewhere in the middle. I wouldn’t have him that high in a redraft. Robertson, Hischier, Thomas and Batherson are clearly better imo, and Norris is in that same tier.
Crazy how many current Ottawa Senators are on that board. What a great pick Drake Batherson was, I can't believe that he was still available so late in the draft.
At this point I feel like Nico Hischier is underrated, I am not saying his worth 1st pick, but he is really good 2 way C, there is no way I would take Nick Suzuki over Nico
Suzuki is already a top 10 defensive forward in the league (according to JFresh's model) on a god awful Habs team and is pretty good offensively as well. I think you underrate Suzuki here.
@@TheBestKiller28 Dont get me wrong, suzuki is good but no way he is top 10, that being said I would personally argue Hischier being near that list, but I quess its objective
@@hereis44more It's not objective tho, it's statistic and Hischier wasn't on it. It's a model made with a lot of different factors, but hey if you want to take opinion instead of stats it's ok I guess...
I think you got it mostly right 👍. I would've had Thomas up at 6, Ferraro at 13, and Liljegren around 16-18 personally, but you've seen most of these players more than me so I'll trust you on those guys.
Not a bad top 10, but it gets pretty week very fast after that. I do think it's kind of early because there are several players (I think Pettersson, Hischier, Yamamoto, for instance) can have much stronger credentials in a year or two. But after Anderson, I don't see anyone who looks to be more than a NHL regular. Maybe the Buffalo goalie because, who knows with goalies.
I didnt realise just how well my sens did in the 2017 draft despite picking late. Formenton in the second, Batherson in the fourth, picking up Norris and Brannstrom via trade. Not bad
Considering Ottawa fans were upset that the team got rid of their 4th overall pick that year, they ended up with one of the best hauls of the draft - Norris, Batherson, Formenton and Brannstrom. I know two were through trade, but still impressive
In 2024 this redraft didn't age all that well. Norris has been an injury case, Formenton will never play in the league again, Brannstrom isn't an impact player. Too bad for the Sens outside of Batherson.
13:55 - i'm gonna disagree slightly here. i don't necessarily dispute the point about GMs being afraid to draft goalies early because of the relative unpredictability of any particular goalie prospect. that said, because *everyone* delays drafting goalies, i think the bigger reason GMs delay drafting goalies is asset management. because every GM waits on drafting a goalie, it would be better asset management to pick a different player if you're confident the goalie you want will still be around when you pick next.
I think GM's, especially high in the draft when they team stinks, don't like taking goalies because by the time the guy is NHL ready, that GM probably won't be there. They think, "Why should I pick a goalie for the guy who takes my place when I get fires?"
Avalanche getting Makar was sweet justice after not getting the #1 pick after they were the worst team in the NHL by a solid 20 points the year before.
Absolutely insane disrespect to Thomas. He’s just so much better than everyone ahead of him except Robertson. Nick Suzuki???? Thomas played 300 less minutes and our scored him substantially while being PP2.
I will agree id personally have him higher but Pettersson and Robertson are the 2 battling for the best forward in this draft atm. 5 years from now maybe Thomas is the best but rn he is like 3rd-4th.
@@jacobneron1444 the stats aren’t on your side. Maybe if you’re projecting a career outlook but current stats show Thomas as a top 5 playmaker in the league.
Please do 2015 redraft! It has proven to be one of the best drafts in a while (then again I’m pretty young and don’t remember too many before 2012). Just an idea, as I think it’s produced some solid steals as well as busts (like Boston blowing 2/3 first round picks 😵).
I remember all the hype around Nolan Patrick, sucks to see how his career turned out. But no doubt, Makar is definitely the best pick from the draft. I remember even watching him in the AJHL when the Brooks Bandits would play in Grande Prairie and I was kinda confused why Joe Sakic picked him. But, turns out it worked it out well for them. I mean really people judged it because AJHL is only Junior A so, a bit off from any of the CHL leagues
I think something that warrants some consideration in redraft scenarios like this is timeline. It's easy to say knowing Makar becomes the best player he would go number 1, but in the moment, armed with all the future knowledge, does NJ actually pull the trigger on a number 1 overall pick that isn't coming to the NHL for 2 more years?
Maybe I'm bias but I am taking Suzuki>Petterson...Watched a ton of both players over the last couple years and Petterson was undoubtedly better out of the gate and is flashier but Suzuki has developed better and is more consistent and when he rarely isn't producing points the rest of Suzukis game stays great while Petterson seems to struggle all around when he isn't producing. Obviously can't go wrong either way and I do extremely appreciate how even as a Bruins fan Shannon gives Suzuki the respect he deserves. Awesome video as always! (BTW Montreal is my favourite team and Vancouver is my 2nd as I live in BC)
Pettersson has had a higher PPG compared to Suzuki in every season he has played. Pettersson's lowest season PPG was (0.8) and Suzuki's highest has been (0.75). And Pettersson is a very solid 2 way player. He helped turn around Vancouvers PK and continues to be dangerous at intercepting and stealing pucks. Who knows who is better when all is said and done but right now I think Pettersson is handsdown top forward from 2017 draft.
As an admittedly extremely biased NJ Devils fan, I would take Hischier over Suzuki any day of the week. Hischier has been more productive offensively and has been the go-to player the Devils use in key defensive situations against other teams' top line.
Enjoy these but prefer to see where they were drafted originally on the board even though you mentioned it for a bunch of players - just my preference heh. Also, would you include someone undrafted like Alex Burrows in the year he was "supposed" to be drafted in a redraft video if you did more historical ones?
I was so pissed when we picked 4th, only had 1 #1 pick in franchise history "Mac) and we'd had a god awful season... #4 pic helped win us a cup 5 years later, I'm finnnnnne now lol
I was happy with the pick, pissed that we dropped to 4th after that heart wrenching season. I cannot find it anywhere, but I remember hearing/seeing that Avs management said they would have picked Makar 1st, 2nd or 3rd as well.
After enduring a miserable 45pt season, it really felt like the hockey gods were adding insult to injury when the Avs dropped to 4th in the lottery...only to select Makar with that pick. Funny how that worked out.
With the 27th pick in the 2017 the flyers have traded this pick for the second pick owned by the flyers and they selected Nolan Patrick again just for icing on the cake! WE GOT HIM! WE GOT OUR GUY!
The only glaring issue I have here is that Ferraro is way too low there - I'd have him between Necas and Formenton. Rest of the order makes sense. All three of Texier, Lily and Geekie I think are a little lower than they ought to be too imo but it's sort of a personal opinion with those last 10-15 picks over who you think looks good and still has potential.
I'd love to see you re-do the 2016 draft only include every round instead of just the 1st round. I think it's safe to say Laine and Dubois wouldn't be 2nd and 3rd anymore especially when you look at players like Debrincat and Fox who went in the 2nd and 3rd rounds respectively. Matthews would still be 1st overall no doubt but you could make an argument for Tkachuk, Debrincat and Fox going at 2 and 3.
First draft year with Vegas in the league and even with THG Redraft it doesn't matter that every pick in the first round Vegas had is no longer playing with them lol
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Probably the best ever Stars draft. Franchise defenseman. Star forward. Starting goalie. Solid depth pieces.
Their 2017 draft will payoff soon enough.
Robertson is just as good as Heiskanen imo if hiskanen is a franchise dman then Robertson is a franchise forward
@@killgil1322 it was 5 years ago. How much longer you gonna wait?
And it could have been even better
@@LucasR013 heiskanen is a one of the top defender in the league and also young under 24-25. only makar and fox are better, maybe other options but hughes and dahlin are not better
Stars got Heiskenen, Otter, and Robertson in their first 3 picks, not bad...
Dude, stars did amazing that draft reminds me of NJ in '20/'21 only lump together because the Hall trade which got ARI ('20 1st + '21 3rd) in 2020 drafted Holtz at 7, than Mercer w/ ARI 1st, Mukhumadulin at 20th- who gotta see still, but think is legit, than next yr. got Luke Hughes & used ARI 3rd to trade for Jonas Siegenthaler.
@@RL_Sin way too early to tell if that’s all going to pan out. It took us 3-4ish years to realize how well the stars did
@@noah_noah_noah I guess I considered Luke & Holtz as sure NHLers w/ Luke min. 2nd pair top #1D, & Holtz min. 3rd pair + PP2 tops top 6 + PP1, & only Mukhumadullin as the wait and see, but yeah it depends on those three.
Your Moms not bad
@@noah_noah_noah yeah but heiskanen is a top 15-10 defensemen in the league. robertson is a top 30 player in the league and oettinger is a top 15-10 goalie
Despite being considered a weak draft at the time its kinda crazy how much this propelled some franchises forward and massively set others back.
It’s the way of the draft. Hang your scouts when they blow it! Lol
Avalanche getting jobbed at the 2017 draft really helped them eventually win that Cup
Weak draft at the time but it's turned out to be pretty deep considering amost every 2nd round pick in the draft has at least played 1 NHL game so far. Robertson is the real steal getting a 40 goal scorer in the second round.
I like Heiskenen but i wouldn't have him higher than Pettersson. Heiskenen is no Makar.
We need more of these, going all the way back to where you first starting watch hockey
They are addicting
@The Hockey Guy agreed this are great episodes to drop whenever.
@@mattblom3990 Here's to hoping he plans on going all the way to at least the 90's
“Smooth passing. Robert Thomas.”
I see what you did there
The 2017 draft ended up having a GENERATIONAL defenseman in it. If this was known back then, the public consensus would be unanimous that 2017 was a very strong draft.
I'd say it's two
@@BaLuuish Don't overuse the word generational. Heiskanen is great and I love his game, he will be a top 10, maybe top 5 d-man for a long time, but he's nowhere close to generational
@@nolanvernon6667 Exactly my thoughts. Heiskanen is only a franchise defenceman.
@@nolanvernon6667 I think he is talking about makar lmao
@@Devilsfan-pd8ov Lukas said two, I assumed he was referring to Heiskanen as well
Nick Suzuki would play really nicely on the Avs' forward core. He'd probably play second line w/ Nichushkin. That would be fun! But I'm good w/ Makar lol. Losing that lottery is the best loss in Avs history
Makar also happy with it lol
Wouldn't have mattered either way. Seen several sources that state Colorado knew who they were after and would have taken him at #1 overall if they had won the draft lottery. Colorado scouts did their job to perfection for Sakic.
hischer is going to move up this board in the second half of his career
Wow, I didn't realize Dallas got all 3 of those players in the same draft. That certainly speeds up a retool. Would have taken most teams 3 drafts to get those players.
Crazy to think everyone in the Flyers scouting wanted Makar but Hextall overruled them and took Patrick. OUCH.
I’m a Detroit lions fan as well as red wings. That story reminds me of when all our scouts wanted Aaron Donald but GM Martin Mayhew thought he was too small. We took Eric Ebron instead and the rest is history
Look up NY Jets draft blunders
They wanted Miro. Clarke said Makar in his interview… but it has been known since 2017 that it was Miro they wanted.
@@peterdragon6367 - My Raiders have you beat. Gave up Khalil Mack for Henry Ruggs III and Damon Arnette. One guy is going to prison for killing someone while drunk driving and the other guy is out of the league for thinking he's living in GTA.
@@michaels2502 Heiskanen would've still been a heck of a lot better than Patrick. Sigh.
I love these redraft videos you do every offseason, you could do 20 of these in a single offseason and still be entertained
As an Avs fan, I'm quite happy with how the 2017 draft turned out
Same here!!
#GoAvsGo 🏆 🏆 🏆
The only problem was that you had to deal with the 2017 Avs on the ice
@@dylanebers8017 though do we really care about that now?
I remember how mad I was that we got screwed by the draft lottery. Turns out we did okay.
The old expo squeak. Love you Shannon keep killing markers and making great content enjoyed by all fans.
People sleeping on Nico Hischier. I'd run to the podium to take him at 2. The rest of the league seriously underrating his complete 2-way game.
Heiskanen is better in every way. Others are toss-ups. Hishier is a good player, he's not #2 in this draft, not even a clear #3. I'd take several guys over him same as THG
Watching this 6 months late and realizing how much can change in a half season
I'd call getting Heiskanen, Robertson and Oettinger in the same draft as better than "Dallas had a pretty good draft" haha
could you do a video on the history of different rule changes maybe make it a series like the history of icing, the history of offside, the history of penalties stuff like that. love your content.
I love me a re-draft! This would be a good draft year to re-revisit in 5 or 6 more years as well.
I said the same thing about Matt Murray here in Pittsburgh. Winning 2 Cups as a rookie raised the bar way too high too early for him
I think Timmy Lil will get more time to shine this year, and hopefully he'll flourish!
Hes gonna do very well with Gio this season
@@Treezzus hasn't aged well
I'm not upset that Nico went 7th lol it was the favt that he went to our biggest Rival NYR 😂 Good stuff though Shannon another good video
Analytics show Thomas is already a top 5 passer in the league and is respectable in his own end. I’d slot him 5th personally
@FaTMother I would argue that Pettersson would be better than him without his injuries, Thomas is a phenomenal player no disrespect on his name I just personally think Elias potential is a bit higher
On Nico Hischier: "The advanced stats would tell you that his two way game is not fantastic." Going to need your sources on this one Shannon. The book on Nico to this point is that he's generally an analytics darling, with a very strong two-way game vs elite competition, but people are waiting for his point totals to finally blossom. He's a possession player/facilitator, not a sniper, so he needs a good finisher on his line. It looked like the Devils had found a line combination that was clicking with him at the end of last season (over a ppg production in the final third of the season) so we'll see what happens this coming year.
In hindsight, for what was considered a weak draft going into it I'd say most teams picking in the top 10 should be happy with their guys. Dallas obviously hit the jackpot on multiple picks. Makar turned out to be a dominant player. The miss that stands out at the top is Nolan Patrick but that seems like bad luck. He wasn't a bad player per se but the injuries kept piling up and spiraled from there in a vicious cycle. Those injury concerns caused him to fall out of the number 1 spot but I'm sure if the Flyers didn't take him at 2 he wouldn't have fallen far.
No better reminder of Ken Holland’s incompetence than seeing Rasmussen drop out of the top 20. His last decade with the Wings devastated the franchise…
Drafting is always a crapshoot after the top 3, every pick is pretty much a gamble and hindsight, you can say X player was amazing at the time and then fell apart
Rasmussen had 15 goals last year. He's not a complete bust yet
@@mattbaker2322 yes but he still not a top 10 selected player. If Rasmussen was selected 29th or in the 2nd Rd, that's a good pick. But when you see the players we passed over for Rasmussen, that's what makes the pick bad.
@@halion50100 you can literally do this in any draft year. It's not that serious
@@mattbaker2322 True but it is a big deal cus that type of drafting keeps a franchise bad for a long time.
Luv to see the Drake Batherson appreciation ❤❤❤
Love the Canucks sticker glowing the whole time lol
For years this was hyped up as the Nolan Patrick draft. His injuries are pretty sad but wow is that top 5 nuts
So glad you gave Mikey Anderson recognition he’s very underrated.
the top 10 is outstanding...but it does thin out quickly. wouldve liked if you listed a few who you think would be on the list in another year or two (Boqvist in NJ)..or who moves up. ( Formenton or Thomas for me)
After this most recent 2023 draft, I am so happy to see how far the Flyers have come since this atrocious 2017 draft when we drafted the only non-all star in the Top 5 who barely played a handful of NHL games no less... Now after the last 2 drafts with Cutter Gauthier & Matvei Michkov I am so excited about the future of the Fly-guys!!!
Still think Hischier stays top 5, above Norris and Suzuki, but good draft overall.
Would love to see a lot more in this series. Then you could make a new series on which teams did better across drafts in general when comparing spot drafted vs redraft spots. Like Stars and Sens did pretty well in 2017 with multiple picks in that regard
Suzuki has produced just aswell while playing a better two-way game and Norris could score 40 goals..🤷♂️
@@AceMatthew25414 in what ways was Suzuki a better two way forward? I haven’t seen every stat obviously, but Hischier had better Corsi For, DFF, Goals For at even strength %, and Faceoff%. He also had better goals and points per 60.
That’s mostly what I based it off of, but I’m genuinely open to being wrong if there are better stats out there that I’m not aware of.
I use Puckpedia for my info if that helps
Im an all day Devils fan. Nico is extremely over rated. While he took a huge leap last year he still for a first overall stinks...for the first several years of his career he produced absolutely nothing while allowing a stiff breeze to knock him off the puck. No player Ive ever seen would fall over face first more than Nico. Seeing children attempting to develop on the NHL has been excruciating in NJ with no end in sight. 2023 NJ misses the playoffs again.
@@yoholmes273 I wonder if his development has something to do with him going over to Switzerland and doing his military service during an offseason some 1 or 2 years ago
Hischier is definitely over heiskanen, suzuki, and Norris for me. Probably Robertson too. Hischier should be 2nd probably, no lower than 3rd
what a great first round in the re-draft...and so many great pieces for teams. Thanks for doing this!
Love where you have Mikey Anderson. Personally, yes you can call me bias. I'd have him go 13th, so only two spots earlier. His defense is already close to elite if not already. His physical game is crazy underrated, and he's been playing on the first line for two straight seasons now. At his age with Drew Doughty and too be that good it's amazing.
Blues fan here. I'll keep the '17 draft we had. :)
First three picks: Thomas 1st(20th overall), Kostin 1st(31st overall), Toropchenko 4th(113th overall)
Kostin hasn't been what I hoped yet, but still not a bust.
Thomas has become a bonafide playmaker, and one of our best players at a young age. Already the best passer we've had since Adam Oates.
(homer alert) I put Thomas top 5 in this hindsight draft class.
Bonus: Toropchenko has turned out to be a 4th round steal.
Bill Armstrong rocked as an amateur scout.
Would New Jersey have allowed Makar to go back to that second year of NCAA, where his development really went off? I never see this addressed as there are way to many variables. Does he develop into the player he is today on a different team?
Redrafts are an interesting exercise. I do wonder how many teams would consider trading the players that you dropped down. There's still some upside or unrealized potential on some of these players and teams don't always want to give up until they have to.
I wonder where Gabriel Vilardi is on this list now.
Cant wait till THG redoes this draft. Alex Formenton would not be on it and Owen Tippet would be drafted by Vegas at 13
Interesting redraft, deff some things I disagree with. Edit: rest of the 1st round for fun
1. Makar
2. Heiskanen
3. Robertson
4. Petersson
5. Thomas
6. Hischier
7. Batherson
8. Norris
9. Suzuki
10. Oettinger
11. Necas
12. Swayman
13. Ferraro
14. Formenton
15. Yamamoto
16. Anderson
17. Liljegren
18. Hague
19. Chytil
20. Tolvanen
21. Mittelstadt
22. Comtois
23. Brännstrôm
24. Foote
25. Jokiharju
26. Texier
27. Rasmussen
28. Tippett
29. Geekie
30. Lukkonen
31. Lindstrom
As a wings I like that you have Lindstrom in the 1st round, but I'd definitely have Rasmussen ahead of him. I think Ras is top 20 worthy and if he continues developing he should be able to justify being a top 10 pick. I always tried to imagine the player he could become when he is 25-27.
“Who does Vegas trade”
Dead 😂
I keep hearing Suzuki is a great 2 way forward, but of the top ten in your redraft his advanced aren’t looking favourable when compared to the others.
He had a rough year. He was great defensively but terrible offensively under Ducharme. Then under St Louis he flipped, was great offensively but bad defensively. Likely somewhere in the middle.
I wouldn’t have him that high in a redraft. Robertson, Hischier, Thomas and Batherson are clearly better imo, and Norris is in that same tier.
Think you skipping the fact he played on the worst team in the league lol
Playing on the last team in the league can do that to you.
Crazy how many current Ottawa Senators are on that board. What a great pick Drake Batherson was, I can't believe that he was still available so late in the draft.
At this point I feel like Nico Hischier is underrated, I am not saying his worth 1st pick, but he is really good 2 way C, there is no way I would take Nick Suzuki over Nico
Suzuki is already a top 10 defensive forward in the league (according to JFresh's model) on a god awful Habs team and is pretty good offensively as well. I think you underrate Suzuki here.
@@TheBestKiller28 Dont get me wrong, suzuki is good but no way he is top 10, that being said I would personally argue Hischier being near that list, but I quess its objective
Suzuki easy goes in the top 10
@@hereis44more It's not objective tho, it's statistic and Hischier wasn't on it. It's a model made with a lot of different factors, but hey if you want to take opinion instead of stats it's ok I guess...
@@hereis44more He's top 10 in this draft. Look how weak it gets after 10.
As a Blues fan this hurt to watch, I would take Thomas at 4
Yeah Thomas at 10 i don’t agree with it
I think he'll rank a lot higher in a few years, if he stays healthy.
I can't believe he's at 10. Thomas is probably the best setup man in the league right now, and this past year he started scoring goals too.
Excited to see what he can do this upcoming season. Still so young and so much potential, amazing set up man just wait til he scores more goals
@FaTMother Shannon watches every game 😅
This draft is looking more and more impressive. Interesting to see in 7-8 years how it really paned out.
I think you got it mostly right 👍. I would've had Thomas up at 6, Ferraro at 13, and Liljegren around 16-18 personally, but you've seen most of these players more than me so I'll trust you on those guys.
Hope your allergies gets better soon. Great video as always! Sorry that I make some suggestions, I'm no expert. Appreciate a lot your channel.
Thanks for including the whole draft class instead of just redrafting the original first round
THG absolute beast
I wonder where Vilardi would go in this re-draft now after finally breaking out this season
I would put him where yamamoto is I think
This draft was a LOT better than I remembered. It makes sense that this draft took a while for guys to figure it out
You’re hockey knowledge is great, you killed this re draft!
Hischier number 2. I will not stand for this slander
Def not 2nd as a hardcore devs fan I think he's 4 or 5
I’m a devils fan and he is 4th at the highest
Miro is a god, you just don’t get it
Biased Devils fan, but I don't think Nico comes out of the top 5.
Not a bad top 10, but it gets pretty week very fast after that. I do think it's kind of early because there are several players (I think Pettersson, Hischier, Yamamoto, for instance) can have much stronger credentials in a year or two. But after Anderson, I don't see anyone who looks to be more than a NHL regular. Maybe the Buffalo goalie because, who knows with goalies.
liljegren is due to breakout this year
Still waiting for an '04 redraft
I didnt realise just how well my sens did in the 2017 draft despite picking late. Formenton in the second, Batherson in the fourth, picking up Norris and Brannstrom via trade. Not bad
Gabe villardi is having a big year I'd like to see this at the end of this season
how is Ukko pekka luukkonen a 1st round pick but Stuart skinner isn't??
Considering Ottawa fans were upset that the team got rid of their 4th overall pick that year, they ended up with one of the best hauls of the draft - Norris, Batherson, Formenton and Brannstrom. I know two were through trade, but still impressive
They lost the 4th pick in 2019 not 17
Yeah they drafted Bowen byram
Must be nice to play for the Avalanche
In 2024 this redraft didn't age all that well. Norris has been an injury case, Formenton will never play in the league again, Brannstrom isn't an impact player. Too bad for the Sens outside of Batherson.
13:55 - i'm gonna disagree slightly here. i don't necessarily dispute the point about GMs being afraid to draft goalies early because of the relative unpredictability of any particular goalie prospect. that said, because *everyone* delays drafting goalies, i think the bigger reason GMs delay drafting goalies is asset management.
because every GM waits on drafting a goalie, it would be better asset management to pick a different player if you're confident the goalie you want will still be around when you pick next.
I think GM's, especially high in the draft when they team stinks, don't like taking goalies because by the time the guy is NHL ready, that GM probably won't be there. They think, "Why should I pick a goalie for the guy who takes my place when I get fires?"
As An Avalanche fan I’m quite happy that these were not the Real results! Go Avs!!!
Avalanche getting Makar was sweet justice after not getting the #1 pick after they were the worst team in the NHL by a solid 20 points the year before.
2015 also please mr. hockey guy. great staff as usual. this is very high quality channel. very professional.
Absolutely insane disrespect to Thomas. He’s just so much better than everyone ahead of him except Robertson. Nick Suzuki???? Thomas played 300 less minutes and our scored him substantially while being PP2.
Lol, Thomas is overrated lmao. He is at the position he deserves. Everyone in front of him is better.
I will agree id personally have him higher but Pettersson and Robertson are the 2 battling for the best forward in this draft atm. 5 years from now maybe Thomas is the best but rn he is like 3rd-4th.
@@josha5266 he’s much better than Nick freaking Suzuki that’s for sure
@@jacobneron1444 the stats aren’t on your side. Maybe if you’re projecting a career outlook but current stats show Thomas as a top 5 playmaker in the league.
Please do 2015 redraft! It has proven to be one of the best drafts in a while (then again I’m pretty young and don’t remember too many before 2012). Just an idea, as I think it’s produced some solid steals as well as busts (like Boston blowing 2/3 first round picks 😵).
Another great one for the Avs snagging Mikko at 10.
I remember all the hype around Nolan Patrick, sucks to see how his career turned out. But no doubt, Makar is definitely the best pick from the draft. I remember even watching him in the AJHL when the Brooks Bandits would play in Grande Prairie and I was kinda confused why Joe Sakic picked him. But, turns out it worked it out well for them. I mean really people judged it because AJHL is only Junior A so, a bit off from any of the CHL leagues
Crazy to see what necas is doing this year now
I think something that warrants some consideration in redraft scenarios like this is timeline. It's easy to say knowing Makar becomes the best player he would go number 1, but in the moment, armed with all the future knowledge, does NJ actually pull the trigger on a number 1 overall pick that isn't coming to the NHL for 2 more years?
Sorry, but not enough if a HEALTHY Nico Hischier, to determine where he goes. Let’s redo this in three years.
He is overrated as fuck and they regret making him captain, Hughes should've been
"So who would Vegas have traded" i spit my drink out, lol
Maybe I'm bias but I am taking Suzuki>Petterson...Watched a ton of both players over the last couple years and Petterson was undoubtedly better out of the gate and is flashier but Suzuki has developed better and is more consistent and when he rarely isn't producing points the rest of Suzukis game stays great while Petterson seems to struggle all around when he isn't producing. Obviously can't go wrong either way and I do extremely appreciate how even as a Bruins fan Shannon gives Suzuki the respect he deserves. Awesome video as always!
(BTW Montreal is my favourite team and Vancouver is my 2nd as I live in BC)
Pettersson has had a higher PPG compared to Suzuki in every season he has played. Pettersson's lowest season PPG was (0.8) and Suzuki's highest has been (0.75). And Pettersson is a very solid 2 way player. He helped turn around Vancouvers PK and continues to be dangerous at intercepting and stealing pucks. Who knows who is better when all is said and done but right now I think Pettersson is handsdown top forward from 2017 draft.
Robo is better
These videos are so under rated. A 2003 redraft would be fun, if not already done.
Absolutely love these!
As an admittedly extremely biased NJ Devils fan, I would take Hischier over Suzuki any day of the week. Hischier has been more productive offensively and has been the go-to player the Devils use in key defensive situations against other teams' top line.
As a Columbus fan, I like Texier, but he is often injured. He's missed 87 of 208 possible games (42%) since he made his debut
Not a Columbus fan but I can’t get enough of that guys shootout goals. Some of the fastest hands in the league.
It is crazy how Dallas got a number one goal, forward, and defenceman all in one draft lol.
Enjoy these but prefer to see where they were drafted originally on the board even though you mentioned it for a bunch of players - just my preference heh. Also, would you include someone undrafted like Alex Burrows in the year he was "supposed" to be drafted in a redraft video if you did more historical ones?
3 in the top 13 are now with Ottawa. Thas not bad eh.
Pretty crazy that 6 of the top 13 are with 2 teams
Imagine drafting Cale Makar at 4th. What unbelievable luck
Has any hockey player ever been traded for themselves ?
You think I’m crazy see harry chiti in baseball
I was so pissed when we picked 4th, only had 1 #1 pick in franchise history "Mac) and we'd had a god awful season...
#4 pic helped win us a cup 5 years later, I'm finnnnnne now lol
I was happy with the pick, pissed that we dropped to 4th after that heart wrenching season. I cannot find it anywhere, but I remember hearing/seeing that Avs management said they would have picked Makar 1st, 2nd or 3rd as well.
Hey random question but have you done a video in Dan Cleary?
Always a special vid when that Canucks Jersey comes out .
I got 5 players on your redraft out of that draft in my 2nd ever Fantasy draft!
Nico disrespect is unreal :(
After enduring a miserable 45pt season, it really felt like the hockey gods were adding insult to injury when the Avs dropped to 4th in the lottery...only to select Makar with that pick. Funny how that worked out.
With the 27th pick in the 2017 the flyers have traded this pick for the second pick owned by the flyers and they selected Nolan Patrick again just for icing on the cake! WE GOT HIM! WE GOT OUR GUY!
Makar is the only player in this draft better than Robert Thomas.
The only glaring issue I have here is that Ferraro is way too low there - I'd have him between Necas and Formenton. Rest of the order makes sense. All three of Texier, Lily and Geekie I think are a little lower than they ought to be too imo but it's sort of a personal opinion with those last 10-15 picks over who you think looks good and still has potential.
If you have time would love to see some older redrafts before 2005
Miro is the best defensive defenseman in the league and his offense is good in the playoffs too
I'd love to see you re-do the 2016 draft only include every round instead of just the 1st round. I think it's safe to say Laine and Dubois wouldn't be 2nd and 3rd anymore especially when you look at players like Debrincat and Fox who went in the 2nd and 3rd rounds respectively. Matthews would still be 1st overall no doubt but you could make an argument for Tkachuk, Debrincat and Fox going at 2 and 3.
First draft year with Vegas in the league and even with THG Redraft it doesn't matter that every pick in the first round Vegas had is no longer playing with them lol
Missed why pens didn't pick. Anybody fill me in?
Can you bring back the draft review series?
I think I would have moved Hischier up higher, like Aves or Canucks level.
Not having the Hischier disrespect, 100% better than suzuki, and maybe norris 🤷♂️