Elk Hunting: What to know before your first hunt - Hunting Tip
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- There is a lot involved in getting ready for a successful elk hunt. In this video NSSF's Chris Dolnack shares what he learned from industry experts on a recent western elk hunt.
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That's where guides get you though. DIY is easy if you live in the area because, in my opinion, the best thing you can do to hunt any big game is get out and scout a few times. If you can get to know the area and observe their patterns, you'll be plenty equipped. Bring your gun, bino's, a frame pack, cleaning kit, and any other LIGHT necessities with you and go to where you know they should be. Don't be afraid to put the footwork in...the farther you walk, the greater your odds of getting something.
I agree with the statement you make, the farther you walk the greater your odds, only in some areas. The elk in Colorado have grown much in numbers in my area. They are adapted to the noise of human activity and when seen from a roadway they do not react unless the vehicle stops. Then they know it is unusual and react. With luck there are a few ranches in my area on which hunting is not allowed and these ranches are home to what I call the seed herd.
Outfitters...Turning your childhood memories into a rich mans sport
Your paying for the knowledge and experience, like paying a mechanic. Tho there are outfits put there that do fit what you are saying.
Keep in mind that most outfitters were kids who wanted to turn those memories into a career. I certainly wouldn't want to hunt with an outfitter who didn't support diy hunting as well, but the idea that all outfitters are money grabbing pieces of trash is insane.
@@liamsweeney9240 "most outfitters were kids who wanted to turn those memories into a career". Exactly right. That career involves money. So they come in and buy up land that people like me used to hunt with a simple knock on the door and asking for permission. Now it costs thousands of dollars to hunt that same land. Which adds to multiple other problems.
1. Farmers and ranchers cant afford land due to outfitters purchasing up all the land and using it specifically for hunting.
2. People pay these outfitters for only the record buck. Meanwhile the doe populations increase exponentially. Now you have people hitting game constantly on roads costing them and the insurance large sums of money because of piss poor management programs. Remember, only the trophy animal is hunted. Sure, you can hunt a female for a measly $1000.
3. Now land prices are are inflated due to these outfitters purchasing it all up strictly for hunting. The new childhood outfitter dreamer can no longer afford this land. So they move to public land. They move in months ahead of time putting up man camps and leaving them through the whole season. I have even seen places in Colorado where they have put up permanent structures on public land. Thus, claiming it as their own. It's happening all over the country. Now they run a business rent free off the backs of the public.
All this pushes prices up to the point where if you want to hunt public land you are now competing with these outfitters who are bringing trophy hunters in from all over the country who cant afford the premium private land hunts. But the average joe trying to go 30 minutes up the road to public land for meat, who cant afford outfitter services. Is now forced to decide if he should drive further away, costing more money. Try to hunt public land with permanent man camps allover. Or, not hunt at all.
Are they all bad? No. Too assume that is to be just as ignorant as those who try to interoperate a blanket statement as all inclusive.
But are a majority of them? Absolutely, without a doubt. Theres a reason we have landgrabber watchdog associations popping up. It's not because only a few are bad eggs.
To be fair and subtracting outfitters from the equation. Your childhood memories cost a lot more these days.
Yes. Pay the outfitters to do the hunting and you do the shooting.
Great information for a potential Elk hunt hopefully. I really appreciate these learning video's. Thanks crow dog
I cant stand how hunting is becoming so damn commercial. You dont need no damn outfitters and guides and shit, paying for some guys kid to go to college. These guide prices are ridiculous. If you got money to blow and you want a guarantee kill then I guess but real hunters go with friends and family no experts just passed on knowledge about the hunt and the hunted. We also dont sit in blinds all day waiting for elk and deer to come to man made feeder. Get out there and walk miles and stalk that animal then when you kill it the reward is so much more fulfilling. If some get away oh well maybe next time but there no such thing as a wasted hunt unless you are paying someone to do the hunting for you.
100% agree with you but some people don't have friends or family that hunt...I don't pay guides and I'm the only hunter in my family or friends except for my grandfather
Cody Pitts
I understand but solo hunting is fun if its your only option. The only time I dont recommend being out in the wilderness by yourself is if you live in Montana or Alaska were grizzly bears can creep on you. Other than that there are no North American animals that are really a threat besides snakes and spiders. If you have to have someone with you then try getting your girlfriend involve or linking up with someone from a online forum. There got to be someone you work with that enjoy hunting.
+Mid West There are grizzlies in Wyoming and here in Idaho....almost Moose kill more people than grizzly....Mountain lion can at times be aggressive as well as black bear if you get between a mom and her cubs. Also you can slip or fall etc by yourself...hunting alone is never really a good idea
I agree with you to an extent. I came into hunting from different mountain disciplines (climbing, mountaineering), and I never grew up hunting. I've never hired an outfitter and dont plan to, but for all the new hunters I can see the appeal. Not everyone had hunting knowledge passed down to them as a kid, and if someone like me who has no mentors or hunting buddies wants to hire an outfitter I think that can be a valuable resource. Baiting is illegal in my state so I don't know anything about feeders and it doesn't seem appealing. Because of my background in mountaineering and climbing I don't understand why people wouldn't want to put in miles and hunt, the discipline is difficult and that's what makes it attractive, second to delicious steak.
Yes sir I agree
Be aware that the hardest part is packing that elk out. I have turned down many elk because of where I was. As far as ammunition think sectional density of the bullet. If the bullet has a sectional density of .270 or larger it is a good one to have good terminal ballistics on an elk. That sectional density and a velocity of 2500 to 2900 will provide good penetration and not a lot of meat damage. It does not take a cannon to kill an elk, just be a hunter and be ethical.
Cant wait to go on my first elk hunt!
I would love to make an elk hunt maybe in another year or two . The Rifle I have isn't a .30 Cal. but it will more than get the job done . Most deer hunters already have a good elk Rifle . You don't need a cannon to hunt with , I remember a hunter from Alaska I spoke with some years ago , his favorite Moose Rifle was a .270 , not a .300 nor .338 . I wish Every Hunter a Safe Hunting Season and I hope you get a big one .
its a 30-06, im quit awile from being able to elk hunt at the moment. Il be practicing until then and learning more to prepare.
I like how he say's optics aren't that expensive, and then explains you might be able to find some decent bino's for as little as.....$500. How cheap.lol
I spent 150 on a pair and they work just fine for me
Yeah, this guy is wrong. You can get vortex Binos for like 179$
I agree, not everyone can afford a $500 pair. Hell, a pair in the $50-100 range will work if that's all a person can afford.
If in a pinch though, a lot of range finders now are magnified about 6x. So, I would do that over binoculars if money is tight.
Out of what? A 30 cal. of some sort, Im assuming based on weight. Just about any 30cal is more than capable of taking an Elk, with variations in ideal range being the main difference. The 180gr Interlock is a great bullet for Elk. As with all hunting SHOT PLACEMENT IS KEY. Practice Practice Practice.
Jimmy John , himself hired like 20 guys here in az. Tens of thousands of $$$ . My neighbor hit a bigger bull with his F-150 .
Lmao that made me laugh
Good video, was just in that area this past week, saw a lot of cows, no bulls but I was able to hear them and of course they were in my camp when I was not.
Awesome Footage!
I elk hunt in southern Colorado. Don't spend to much for binos, much less than 500 dollars. My binos are six power and permafocus. I will never put a scope on my rifle that cost more than the rifle. This year I harvested my elk at 260 yards with a .444 Marlin and a 4 power scope. These days with rangefinders almost any rifle is a long range rifle if you know you firearms ballistics. I have never used a guide service and have been very successful finding elk. You also do not need to go miles into the wilderness. In my area there are probably at least 1000 head of elk within a 25 mile radius of my small town at any given time. Any place I hunt at any given time I can hear either the railroad or trucks on the highway.
wow hunting on horseback would be amazing!!
you can do your own elk hunts, just be prepared for getting one out of the boondocks,, and a regular caliber like a 25-06,, 270 or 308, is all you need,,,practice with it a lot before you hunt,and most important you have to find the elk,,,,and hunt where elk live,,,,,,,do this and you will be ok,,,,,i have taken near 50 head of elk, so i know a little about it,,,
agreed, the outfitters are sort of the problem, making us have to go into the boondocks
Nice vid. Thank you for sharing it. I have started planning my own diy elk or antelope hunt, and am really thirsting for knowledge on the subject.
270 win is my favorite
I love .30-06 and .308 especially as an Afghanistan vet I love my 7.62NATO/.308 and .223/5.5.6 but the .270 seems to get the job done no matter what! I live and hunt in New Mexico so depending on where I'm hunting shots can be anywhere from 60 or 70 meters to as far as you can see/shoot accurately. Last season I got almost 110 lbs from an elk I harvested outside of Cloudcroft. Got em with my .270 almost 300 meters. He dropped where he stood. Although I am taking a liking to the 6.5 Creedmore here lately. Gonna try that on my next trip
Would 450 bushmaster be ok
For what Buffalo 😂🤣 lol JK
Need info on elk tactics not an ad for outfitters please
great video, can you do more ryan cleckner videos
DIY is the way to go.
Joe Rogans podcast with James Hetfield brought me here.
advertisement to sell your things or giving tips to hunt?!
Would a 350 legend be good for elk, moose, it’s a 35 caliber gun
Outfitters...rich people hunting. My grandfather is turning in his grave
@@larssommer1903 I'm in the same boat as you. I find solace in my belief that humans have been hunting for >100,000 years. It's in our DNA, we're sharp, we'll figure it out, with or without the 'club' boys' help.
Lars Sommer exactly the position I am in
Hiring an outfitter is OK I guess if you can afford it, however, when I see a guide with a big hat I remember all the times I had to sneak through the willows or through spruce thickets to get close enough for a shot. My advice is to stay away from the boys with the big hats. They maybe good enough for a hunt farm where the animals are fenced in but they would hardly be up to the job in the wilderness. Perhaps though there are places where elk are lazing around on open meadows waiting to be shot but I never had such opportunities on anyone of more than a dozen elk hunts.
Not interested in an outfitter, want info on how to hunt elk in Colorado. Not an ad on outfitters
Beautiful countryside. Where exactly was this filmed?
northwestern Colorado
Lock 'n load! 7mm rem mag is what I use, though I do have a 30-06 and 338 win mag as well
I'm getting interested into the gun thing, and I want one for hunts, first time. What hunting rifle do you guys MOST recommend for we to have? And if its cheap please also recommend them!
A shotgun. Cheapest and and has high take down power with versatility. However, that sort of power isnt at all needed. I personally use a winchester 30-30 lever action. Extreme accuracy and .306 can take buffalo and moose. (I hunt whitetails.) Hope this helps.
A good gun that can kill elk is a .270 it is more accurate then the 30-06 but the 30-06 is stronger but will Hurt your shoulder I'm gonna get the .270
+Benny Tong The best thing you can get yourself is a hunting friend and hopefully this happens to be a mature, intelligent and ethical hunter.
One of the the last thing you need to think of would be a gun. The gun doesn't make you a hunter. The wisdom and bush smarts will. Go to shows, hang out at hunting, bow and gun shops. Volunteer to help, do all this and your mentor might lend you that most useful gun or lead you to it. Read magazines and books on hunting and shooting. Although I am very aware that drinking is something the huge majority of "people who hunt during the season" do (they like to think they're hunters, I don't think the word can be used for them) please don't ever drink and hunt.
p.s.- A .270 will make you a better shooter than a 30-06 and it will take any game on the north american continent though I wouldn't try to take frilly or brown. (I personally know a Indian guide who annually shoots Polar Bear with an old .303 brit). All the vest best !!!!
Like the others have said. A good mentor is great to have. But I'll key in on what I think is the best rifle for the price. To start off go for a Tikka in 270 win. Very accurate, easy on the shoulder and tikka are amazingly well built rifles and as accurate as you can get from a mass produced gun. Or if you're on a tight budget Savage has some great rifles for cheap. Browning as well. I'd stay away from Remington till they get their shit together. And don't go cheap on a scope. But start off reading about hunting. Watch utube videos. It's an extremely fun sport to get into. But take your time and just enjoy the process.
hell yah.
that second amendment isn't going to practice itself.
This reminds me of the book "Closures" by S.A. Neff. There is a great hunt that gives great examples of this!
At 2:55 he said $500 for binoculars?!
Shawn Davis That’s not very much
I wonder how much the Ranger Finder would be.. $1000?
Christ. Then add on a $600 scope on a $500 rifle, ... By the time youre invested youve got $3000 just to start hunting. Not including everything else involved.
I swear to god my dads binoculars are for like $5000
I have watched many of these type video's and the one thing that keeps being repeated is SPENDING MONEY. They may not say it outright but, saying you need to hire an outfitter guide or spend $500 on Binoculars etc... is always implied. I wish there were more DIY video's designed to teach an individual how best to hunt without the need to hire an expensive guide or spend $1,000's of dollars just to take one shot. Not everyone is able to spend $5,000 to hire a guide. Of course NSSF is in the business of promoting companies who want to sell their products. I wish NSSF focused more on the individual than on promoting Capitalism.
Capitalism is the only reason you're watching this video ya dope.
@@blickygobrrrrr Whay he's we're watching this video has nothing to do with the point he was making
@@AZTLANSOLDIER13 Whay he's we're? Not sure what that means, but I'm guessing if you're a socialist too your point is idiotic and irrelevant.
Outfitters aren't too expensive are they?
Depends who you talk to. $10k+ is not uncommon in Colorado.
Wayne Carlton sounds like Richard Petty.
Can I hunt with a 243? I have a awesome vortex scope on it
longhaul 7 in Colorado you can, I cant speak for legality in different states. Definitely invest in some good ammo and study elk anatomy as much as you can to make a smart shot and try not to forget all that info when the time comes to pull the trigger. It’s easy to get excited and not think the situation all the way through, it happens to the best of us. Also I would keep the shots inside 200 yards the Closer the better.
longhaul 7 also the “hit em again” mentality is your friend. Loosing a little more shoulder meat to an fallow up shot is much less costly than loosing an entire elk. Good luck!
This video is insane. "Being able to shoot out to 300 yards is important" That depends. I've killed a deer at 350 and an elk at 70. What about the people who hunt with a bow? Are they screwed if they can't hit an elk a quarter mile away? If you can get a bergara with a swarvoski scope, awesome. If you want to come out with grandpappies ol 30 30, go for it. If you're a kid who can only afford a ruger American with a firefield scope, give her a rip, it certainly worked for me. The one exception, buy the best bullets/broadheads you can afford. You owe that to the animal. There is a significant difference between remington cor lokt and nosler accubond.
I wonder if a 450 bushmaster would be good for elk.
Within 200 yards yes.
This may help you on ammo selection, but Colorado Elk University says you need 1200 fps to penetrate an elks shoulder or rib. I have 7mm rem mag 180 gr and 6.5 creedmoor 160 gr I plan on using for any big game hunting. I use my 7 mm rem mag for deer hunting and at 150 yards I've had bullets go thru and thru. You will hear all sorts of arguments on what gun is best for this and that. What matters most is shot placement and having a bullet that will have atleast 1500fps at 500 yards. My 7mm mag and creedmoor stay above 1600 fps at 500 yards and I've spent less then $1100 for both and a scope, Good luck.
anyone use hornady 180 grain interlock sp for elk? Is it a good option?
Yup great bullet
I hunt with a .270.
great story
My first hunting rifle was a .270 Savage. I miss that rifle, wish I still had it
We hunt with a dog! Right where we live. With the landowners(because i dont own anny land myself) Nothing is better than hearing a dog work with what they love as mutch ass us humans
Is hunting free in the usa (im confused pls tell me)
Nothing is free.
In terms of the cheapest big game animals to hunt however, that would be the feral hog.
Some states have a shoot without a license due to them being a destructive invasive species. But, make sure of the animal before doing so. Otherwise it could be a hefty fine in the tens of thousands$$.
Had one case settled here recently in NM over a mountain lion. Total cost was over $75k in fines and fees.
I can’t believe you used the term $400.00 and inexpensive in the same sentence.
Hunters need to make a good movie.it seems like in Hollywood movies they always have the hunter as the bad guy we need to change that.
Too bad my 7 mm Remington Magnum isn't 30 caliber. Now I guess I can't hunt elk with it.
i agree with your sarcasm... i hate when people start a bull shit talk about the caliber that you need for elk i tell them just use 20mm anti tank rifle lol i seeing guys taking 6 point elk with 243 so inmo its all about how good of a shot you are.
I'm very new to hunting. I have fished all my life..I'm not new to rifles or guns however. What would you consider a good beginning rifle for elk or deer?
308, 270 or 30-06 are what I would suggest.
Thanks. Though I have those calibers, I'll stick with my 7 mag.
My response was to Allen's question actually. The 7mm Rem Mag is perfectly suited for elk. However it wouldn't be the first cartridge I would choose for a beginner. Something easier on the shoulder would be better for a first timer.
I love how these guys wear camouflage with neon orange on top. I get that it's for safety reason, but it kind of defeats the purpose, no?
+Chris Tharp Nope. Deer, elk, and moose can't see the color orange (they only have two light receptive cells in their eyes, compared to our three). They can't see the blaze orange color; it just looks like shades of grey to them. However, they can see in the near ultraviolet, which is why hunters avoid using laundry detergents on their clothing (detergents tend to leave brightening agents that the animals can see).
To a deer and elk they see blue as a bright color. And their eyesight isn't that good at seeing detail. But they do have a large field of view and the see movement from far off.
The military has determined that camouflage is most effective when it breaks up outlines (hence digital). So yeah a vest (even if the animal is color blind) creates a contrasting outline of the camo clothes underneath. Hence making the camo completely useless. But it looks cool...
It's the law
Game guiding and outfitters should be outlawed. Volunteers only.
Your clueless
outfitters should stay off of public land. Wyoming outfitters got the out of state hunters kicked out of wilderness areas unless you have an outfitter or a resident sponsor. They tie up public land, private land, and do nothing for the resource but take from it. They suck. Get a real job. Maybe its time for higher outfitting license fees that they cant afford to pay. Voters could do it. Get envolved with organizations that fight for your rights. Outfitters do and don't want public hunters, they want you to have to go through them. The Wyoming outfitters assoc. has tried to get 70% of non resident elk tags to be issued to them forcing you to go through them or stay at home for years waiting for enough points to get a tag out of that 30%. They are snakes.
So a video about “what to know” is just telling us to “ask somebody else”
Wow..guess I found the comments page of every hunter that lives in poverty
Imagine thinking $500 is cheap
My .270 Win with 130 grain Noslers is just the medicine. Clown college presenters
It sucks that hunting is becoming another activity only for the rich.
because everyone can afford zeiss
superdome65 I can tell you from first hand experience that you are much better off saving every dollar you can and buying quality optics from the beginning. When you glass for hours at a time, the extra money is worth it when headaches caused by eye fatigue from using low quality optics sets in. Also, good optics can save unnecessary hiking. Again, this is from first hand experience.
+nmelkhunter1 But you have to admit many people are simply brand snobs....cant imagine that someone can do as well or better with less costly equipment
+Adam F Quality brand and quality in technique do go hand in hand. Again, glassing for long periods of time is less "stressful" on the eyes with quality glass. If you have ever glassed a high mountain basin for deer or elk you can appreciate the difference in quality. After prime time in the morning, and before prime time in the evening, you are often looking for little things like an ear or part of an antler. Clarity comes into it's own during those times. At the end of a day of glassing, your eyes and head won't feel like death is upon them with quality glass. Of course improper technique defeats high quality optics. And yes, there are brand snobs who really can't take advantage of quality glass because of poor technique, being impatient, etc.!
+nmelkhunter1 True enough and there is also a point of diminishing return...Elk meat is quite expensive, so it's worth spending a 'fair' amount on equipment, time, gas etc etc...but it has limits. Also to some degree quality is not based on a name. Almost No company actually makes their own glass anymore, they spec it out...one run is Zeiss, the next run is this or that company, made all in the same place. Even moderate glass today is far superior to expensive glass a generation ago...and people somehow filled their freezers back then. As far as looking for an ear or part of an antler, I dunno ;) i just go where the elk are and shoot one, its not all that hard.
+nmelkhunter1 I can tell you from first hand experience that a 150 dollar pair of binos work fine.....do you save up for a Ferrari or do you own a s10?
to 270 guys your 270 dose more damage at 300 yards by how Much a 100 and you brag about that 24/7 Hahaha my 30-06 will get the job done and if it doesn't I got my 7mm rem mag
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