Can You Figure Out Which Chest Is Lying? - Mimic Logic
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- Опубликовано: 8 мар 2024
- Mimic Logic Part 1 - an incredibly unique and addicting game. It feels like it was made for people exactly like me. Puzzle fans and roguelike fans, rejoice! We're eating good today.
Edited by: Dan White and Ben Ranger
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Considering the talking chests, i think all of those were mimics, just not all of them were hungry
the sidekick can talk to chests did you even read the lore smh my head
@@kitkatkk2543 Well I mean, *how*
@@antoniofrancis1736magic, duh.
My thoughts exactly
Now that I think about it, I would love the idea of a friendly mimic partner in an RPG
alls good until a chest says "I am a mimic"
Lol
And the mimic lies
Don’t let ANY AI see this comment section.
@@astron800 as an ai language model called chat got what do ya ask
@@smartieking-gw1qv how are you not dead from reading this?
The thing with 1 chest solving that becomes apparent is that when a chest says "this one isn't a mimic" it's always telling the truth because if it were a mimic, then there would have to be 2 mimics for that to be true when there is only 1 possible mimic.
On the first level! But there's more mimics later
@@Undefined14 yeah, he said one chest solving
@@Undefined14It also works anytime you've already found all but one mimic.
@@Undefined14 It holds true if two chests are saying the same chest isn't a mimic with two chests too. And so on and so forth
@@ArachneInTheWeb it is just a logic puzzle at the end of the day. But it's a very fun concept I've been playing this game and I was hoping Tyler would play it too!
as someone who played the demo Nesha is the one talking to the chests with her magic she is not there for "moral support" but to help you figure out which chests are safe to open, if it weren't for her you would have to either risk opening mimics or open no chests and die to the enemies. you play the warrior she is the magic wielder talking to chests and neither of you would be able to do this alone.
but still great video and I can't wait to play the full game myself.
Also she cast spells sometimes... :D
9:50 You can tell the top two are mimics because "2 Mimics hide side-by-side" must be true.
Smart! I didn’t even notice that.
The way I saw it, for both cases side by side and not, the top left treasure must be a mimic which forces side by side to be true
wrong logic, brain was on autopilot
@@newman4660But then top left wouldn't be lying, so it wouldn't be a mimic. The point is that knowing that, in the left column, one chest is a mimic and one is not implies that both mimic are in the same row, thus adjacent since the right column are not mimics.
@@newman4660 top left says that bottom row has at least one mimic so when it becomes mimic, bottom row can no longer have any mimic since it's a mimic
One bit of advice is that if a chest says a statement that would say that it could be a Mimic, that chest is not a mimic. For example, if a chest says that there is a mimic in the bottom row, and it is in the bottom row, it is safe; if it were a mimic, it would be lying and thus could not be a mimic. Great vid!
well, only if it's saying there's at least one. If a red box says "there is 1 mimic amongst the red boxes" and there're two or more red boxes, both mimics could be red boxes and then it'd be a lie to say that there's 1 mimic among the red boxes.
any time it basically says "at least one" but not a defines number
in regular rules anyways.
Bet Frieren would open all of them anyway
You know the magic's accuracy is only 99%, what if this one is that 1%?
-- Probably Frieren
That’s why I clicked this video, I was thinking of Frieren!😆🤣😂
@@ashkirby8896 same bro same the 1 % probability gacha
There are 7 different difficulty modes in this game. Once you complete one dungeon in the three main modes, you get access to the other four, mostly harder ones.
Hi
@@Bleu_Sans777??????
Huh
3:20 The girl is the sole reason you can hear what the boxes say. It's mentioned in the tutorial
RUclipsrs are to good and smarter than the rest of us to read tutorials.
Combat is a more 'puzzley' part of the game than it may sometimes seem. An enemy with 1 health is just as alive as an enemy with 10, and strong weapons break if you use them too much. So you can swap into a weaker weapon for the finishing blow (or even earlier), letting you save strong weapons for strong enemies.
The one thing that changes this is Nehsa, who can sometimes chip in a bit of extra damage to kill some enemies. However, it's completely random when she uses her abilities (it's 30% default, although you'll typically pick up other items that increase the chance. Look at your relics for the details).
The slight transparency at 9:13 to make the text look like it's behind the shop UI is such a neat touch
Frieren: "Mimic or not, I'll open it. Who knows? There might be a hidden treasure inside."
as a human i can say i finished the video 30 seconds after it came out and enjoyed the video
The top reply isn’t a mimic
The reply below is a mimic
@@noobyplayz2840the top most reply is a mimic
how many mimics are there in this puzzle
There is atleast 2 mimics above this reply.
1:40
Editors highlighted the wrong boxes I think. The blue box says that one of the rightmost boxes is a mimic, and the one to right of it says there are no mimics in red boxes, including the rightmost ones, making this a contradiction.
＋you can see Tyler hovering over those 2 boxes.
This is one of the channels I consistently always come back to. I don’t know why but watching you solve chill puzzles is a big vibe, cheers mate!
I'm surprised to see this was made in RPG maker, what an amazingly versatile engine
i thought it looked like rpg maker
Yea tbh you can tell this is RPG maker, so no suprise from me either
@@Snaps12345 the UI is the biggest give away
@@catkook543the sound effects too haha
it's really not a very versatile engine. really cool stuff like this tends to require a lot of creativity and hard work, either in getting around the engine's limitations or working within them. this is a good mix of both, a bunch of these ui details are custom plugins but i also love how this places relatively "basic" stuff like simple dungeon rooms and shop areas into a different context
10:00 was solvable. The bottom two are side by side, and the mimics would have to be separate.
9:51 The top and bottom middle chests contradict each other, so only one of them can be a mimic.
The top left one _has_ to be a mimic, since if the bottom middle one is a mimic, the only valid chest that isn't side-to-side is the top left chest. Same goes for the top middle, as the top left chest is the only valid one that is a neighbor.
However, since the top left one being a mimic means there are no mimics at the bottom, we can rule out the bottom middle mimic. Thus, there is only one possibility left: Top left, top middle.
at 10:00 you could figere out that top right is always a mimic, so it wasn`t 50/50
Except that that would remove the contridction on the middle 2
If the top right was a mimic, the bottom would be a mimic(due to the lie that the one below isnt a mimic), and the middle 2, one would be required to be lying due to the contradictory wordinf on both (side by side and not side by side)
If they played perfectly then we would be missing half the game. Besides, you need to know when to do this for random mode when you literally can be put in situations where if you don't have a charm or blue orb than you won't be able to open all the chests.
@@deathblade32the two in mid are an impossible pair since they contradict each other from being a mimic together, also if we know the top left is a mimic the truth would be that there are no mimics at the bottom so that instantly rule out bottom.
@nito804
Exactly my point, i was pointing out why TC was wrong to quote ,"At 10:00 you could figure out that the top right is always a mimic, so it wasnt 50/50"
Which ia why i said if top right is a mimic, then the one below would be a mimic and the contradiction of the middle 2 would be wrong (in fact the top middle would be wrong). Heck you could logic the last 4 easy too
1 on top. | not side by side
1 on bottom ! Side by side
If the top middle is correct, the only 2 it could be is at least 1 in bottom, and side by side, which would fufill the bottom which wouldnt be a mimic then so its lying
If the bottom middle was correct, then the 2 solutions are bottom/top or bottom/not neighbors (correct) which is the only case that works with the black chests vouching for each other and a contrediction
@@omegahaxors3306you can get situations like that way before random mode.
Aliens truly do rock
PLEASE WE NEED MORE OF THIS GAME (also another puzzle game RUclipsr covered this game and his name was Tyler, I am convinced every puzzle game RUclipsr is named Tyler)
Man, these puzzles looked really interesting, to the point that I was really considering just immediately impulse buying the game - and I don't normally play puzzle-focused games - but then you mentioned the gut mechanic, and how opening a mimic makes you just instantly lose. Those are both individually deal breakers. Puzzles shouldn't have a time limit, and I don't believe total loss should be conditional upon a single mistake. I also overwhelmingly prefer real-time combat, and it's especially weird that this game goes with turn-based for combat but forces a timer on you during puzzles, that's totally backwards to me.
Glad I stumbled across this video though. I paused on each screen to solve the puzzles myself before you did, and I think (memory's already fuzzy because puzzles can do that to the brain) I got pretty much all of them right.
earlier this week i saw a different youtuber playing this game and i was wondering if you did but since you didn't at that time, i was hoping you'd eventually play it
aaand here it is :D
This is a type of constraint system problem, specifically a logic puzzle. CSP's are a class of problems that can be solved in constant time by quantum computers as they equate to a sudoku puzzle with only the possible states collapsed into.
10:00 it isn't a 50/50, since you knew it was either both the top or both the bottom, and the top row said that the mimics aren't neighbors, you could determine that the top row was mimics.
Actually the reason why it is the top is, the top middle is impossible to be telling the truth, the right two back each other up, and the top mid backs them up as well with his lie, but the problem with his lie is it leaves 3 chests left all of whom are neighbors(besides top left and bottom mid, but if both are mimic is impossible because it would be a mimic telling truth about bottom mid being mimic) and therefore you know he is lying, because the mimics must be neighbors since all 3 remaining chests have 2 mimics remaining hypothetically as we are told 2 mimics are in each batch of chests. Since a liar is a mimic he must be a mimic. The bottom chest says their is a mimic in top row and the other bottom chest says they hide side by side, both statements can't be false due to their being a confirmed mimic and therefore both statements must be true. Making the top mid and left have to be mimics.
Think we're on same line of thought I only added to it since we needed to confirm the right colum weren't lying so I gave my reasoning for them too.
Easier reading: right column has 3 chests vouching for each other top mid, as he says mimics aren't neighbors, top right, and bottom right. Since 3 have said they are clear it impossible for them to not be clear, as one must be telling the truth. Both right chests clear each other either both are lying or neither as their is two mimics. The top mid says mimics aren't neighbors therefore they are clear. But this leads to an error if they are cleared, than top mid is a mimic because it causes an error it only allows the top left and bottom mid as they arent neighbors to be a mimic. Which is impossible becausd top left says their is a mimic in bottom row, a truthful statement if they are both mimics, and as we all know mimics are liars. This means the only possible non neighbor combination is impossible, therefore the top mid is a mimic, and we now know the mimics are neighbors, and the top left is a liar, and therefore the only combination left is top mid and top left.
Couldn't be bottom two either, as the bottom mid would be telling a truthful statement, which as far im aware mimics can only lie.
I love logic puzzles. This was one of your best videos in a while because I wanted to solve each one. You do them so fast!
Picked this up when it released and I've been having a blast with it. Very simple concept and the roguelike elements are pretty barebones, but the core puzzle gameplay is really satisfying to me. The minesweeper mode is my favorite but they're all good.
Honestly, it's a really interesting game that no shit kept me involved the entire time. Like 0 clicks away, i needed to see you win and solve these puzzles. Additionally, hearing you work around them was great. Need more now.
This video flowed so well that I wasn't expecting it to end, I need more of this!!!
Found this game myself a couple of days ago, it's so addicting. Happy to see you give it a try, would love to see more!
Really liked solving these along. Looking forward to more of this!
I honestly bought this game as soon as you said the description, it's an amazing game, but mentally exhausting. I have never had to think so hard and so active for any game I've ever played. Maybe I don't play enough games in this genre, but this game was a treat!
Appreciating the editing that highlights contradictions!
I've been having a lot of fun with this game myself, and the challenge dungeons, which are unlocked after completing the main 3, are quite tough, and make you have to use some interesting logic. Would love to see you do more.
1:44 Is the top middle supposed to be highlighted instead of top left?
Ok yeah that make sense I was so confused to the deduction because of the wrong highlight.
Thought that as well. But regardless it’s a mistake. And we are only human. Right?
Dang, great work editing this. Really easy to follow along
The girl following you is what allows you to talk to the chest to hear their lies.
One thing I saw come up a few times that Tyler didn’t really talk about was cases where the chest being a mimic would make it’s own statement true.
For example, a chest on the right saying “the rightmost column contains at least one mimic.” Such a chest can’t be a mimic, because it being a mimic would make its own statement no longer a lie, creating a paradox.
This looks like a really fun game! I would love to see more Tyler! Good work
the moment i learned this game existed i was like “an aliensrock playthrough of this would go so hard” and now here we are. please make this a series
I like the editing in your videos that make things easier to follow
The one you used a crystal on was solvable because it wasn't top 2 or bottom two, it was the top left one no matter what and if that one is lying you know the other mimic is on top.
when i started the video, this game looked right up my alley. 4 hours later i cleared the confuse dungeon and now my brain hurts. great fun, thanks!
The tip is. When there is only one mimic. A box that vouch for other box, is not a mimic and the box its protecting. Because otherwise, both are mimic. And that's not possible sense there is only one mimic
Got this game because of this video and ive been loving it! I hope you play more, it gets really challenging
I know you play a lot of puzzles game but i just wanted to say youre smart af getting the logic puzzles so fast while explaining it at the same time
9:19
After establishing you have 2 good guy on the right, and the middle ones are in dispute, you could takie into consideration both reds POV. In both cases, they are saying that the first box is mimic, so it has to be mimic. And because mimics always lie, the bottom row has no mimics.
Boxes 1 and 2 are mimics.
4:22 When a chest accuses any other chest(s), you know for sure that either the accuser or the accusee is a mimic, so you could have immediately narrowed it down here.
9:58 This is not a 50/50. The bottom 2 can't be mimics, because then the bottom middle would be telling the truth.
Great video, I enjoyed it a lot!
Finally, I've been waiting patiently for you to play this game.
I really love the editing in your videos
It's cool to see more rules.
I think, for rules with gold you can even directly check if they are true.
Okay, I'm stealing *the hell* out of this concept for my DnD campaign.
You'd need to give a reason why the chests are talking, unless you make it a riddle on the wall.
...or have the solution be that they are all mimics because they are all talking chests.
@twobladedswordsandmauls2120 I was thinking of it being either a mini game or a wizard's challenge of some sort. The non-mimics delivering their message with the Magic Mouth spell would be the easiest way to do it.
I like that stopping the video before he solved the puzzles, most of the time I solved them in a different way
"He slept with your wive"
-Rick Sanchez
10:00 Actually, you didn't need to use an item. It's true that either of the red boxes could be a mimic, but only the top blue box could be a mimic. That's because of the red statement, if the bottom red was a mimic, then the top blue chest is a mimic. If the top red chest was a mimic than it's still the top blue one that is a mimic.
This has to be one of the most ingenious RPG maker Titles I've seen. Refreshing.
Don't show this to Frieren
What a neat game! I hope you make more videos on it!
3:28 you could tell the top middle was a mimic because you cleared the blue boxes when you saw they contradicted each other.
Yooo, at 1:14 the combo sound effect from Lisa the painful is used whenever you level up in this game. Whether or not this game ripped sound effects from RPGMaker or simply just wanted to bring nostalgia to people who used to/still play those games is a really nice touch!
Edit: Never mind, plenty of RPGMaker sound effects are used in this game (I just immediately thought that it was only from Lisa the Painful), so an extra neat touch!
"Monsters drop loot"
Slashes both of them
Love the dialogue editing 😭
10:00 It was solvable. Remember a mimic CANNOT tell the truth. So one of the two row has 0 mimic, since one of the blue is a mimic and is lying about one row containing a mimic. So the mimic are side-by-side , so the red saying that can only be innocent, so lower row is innocent.
I'd play the absolute hell out of this if there was no timer mechanic.
I love puzzles. I despise being pressured on time during puzzles. I like to double- and triple-check my work.
10:19 you could’ve figured this out because the mimics had to have hid side-by-side meaning the bottom middle was right, so the one to the left wasn’t
If a chest is saying "there are more mimics in x color than y color", it always translates to "y color contains no mimics" (given there are 2 mimics at most). For there to be more mimics in a color they cant have an equal amount, so either 1:0 or 2:0, and since a 2:1 is only possible with 3 mimics, this can always be derived
Would love to see more of this
for the algorithm babyy
would love to see more of Tyler playing this, seems good
When you have only a single mimic, and you have a statement that is equivalent to "a box other than me isn't a mimic" then there is no way for that to be a mimic.
If it was a mimic, that means the box it is referring to must be a mimic as well, which means there would be 2 mimics.
This also means the box it is referring to is not a mimic either.
So at 5 minutes in, you can use those 2 statements to quickly get 4 boxes as not mimics, including the 3 red ones, clearly identifying the mimic based upon that.
I watched this with my girlfriend on her account, so I figured I should comment on my own account to tell the algorithm to keep recommending you to me :)
Glad to see you play this game! I saw it a couple days ago on some other guy's account, and it was soooo tedious to hear him flounder around and overexplain his logic lol, I was so happy to see you'd uploaded the same game!
8:34 In this Situation you can see that the Bottom row Chest saying, there is a Mimic in the Bottom row.
A Mimic would never make it self a suspect: Meaning that every Chest with a Text accusing it self with the others can never be the Mimic.
Hey Alien, did you know Case of the Golden Idol has a new DLC? It's called The Vampire of Lemuria, and you should try it out!
Would love to see another episode of this game
9:54 you can do it with logic. If either of the blue is a mimic, then the red box next to it, must be a mimic because the blue mimic is lying about having a mimic on the other side. And because we know that the mimics have to be side by side. The top row red is lying
you can see how often Nesha uses her magic by doing right click/esc and clicking relics it should be there
I think the editor confused the top left chest with the top middle chest in the 2nd floor since based on the logic it would've been the top middle and top right chests that were in direct conflict
For 10:15, you could known it was the top 2 because the bottom middle one said they were side by side
2:11
thank you for that editor
as a non US citizen that's exactly what I imagine it's like over there
10:00 The top red and blue boxes are mimics because if the top red box was telling the truth then it couldn't be the top 2 or bottom 2 boxes in contrast the bottom red box has the true statement that 2 mimics are next to eachother.
i can tell this is gonna be one of your next big series
I want more of this!
Hey Tyler, just want you to know that I really liked this game and would like to see more, thanks!
Thanks for video. Bought the game righ after watching. Sometimes RPG maker games are truly a hidden gems.
I might need to try this again. When I played the demo, the puzzles got too hard for me REALLY quick, but this was much more reasonable.
It’s crazy that I found a game for once before Tyler played it. Glad he’s playing it though.
10:02 Wasn't a 50/50. You were correct that either the bottom 2 or the top 2 were mimics, but the thing is in either case that would mean the mimics were side by side, which is what the bottom red chest was saying. From there you could figure out that the bottom 2 being mimics was not the case since one was telling the truth, meaning the only possibility was that the top two were mimics.
I recognize the animations and the sound effects. This was made in RPG maker. Always great to see one of these out in the wild 🙂
The editing In this is fantastic.
I wish the combat was a bit more involved or there was some option to choose your difficulty, combining this mimic concept with some kind of pokemon mystery dungeon system would be absolutely dope, especially if part of the gameplay was just making sure you found every chest or something
Super fun watch. I like this one.
I would love more of this game
They're all mimics, considering that chests don't talk.
yesss i saw olexa play this and just knew it would be perfect for you
its fun to go through the puzzles before aliensrock solves the and seeing how we figure it put differently
yay, more mimic logic! (or was that icely)
As someone who unlocked all dungeons you need to finish the standard, expert and random at least once each to unlock the 4 others, which are way more absurd
I can't believe you won your first game in expert mode. you're too good at puzzle games
Real Backpack Hero vibes, I hope Tyler plays that again soon too
This was a fun video, I need to see more
YOO love this game, keep making videos on it :D
+Rep to Ben