Lucy Johnstone - Against Psychiatric Diagnosis
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- In this episode I meet a controversial mental health professional who thinks that psychiatry is bad for us.
Dr Lucy Johnstone is a clinical psychologist who has worked for many years on the frontline of adult mental health services - helping those who may have been diagnosed with conditions like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder or clinical depression. It's a staggering fact that roughly a quarter of British adults have been diagnosed with a psychiatric disorder at some point in their lives. But Dr Johnstone thinks that these diagnoses are totally wrong - invalid and unhelpful. Giving someone a psychiatric diagnosis, she argues, is the first step drawing them into a system which treats them as if their problems are symptoms of a physical illness. But that, she argues, is wrong.
I interviewed Dr Johnstone at her home in Bristol, where we discussed her wide ranging critique of psychiatry & her new initiative - the Power Threat Meaning Framework - the basis for a radically different approach to mental health which abandons diagnosis altogether and promises to treat individuals as ‘people with problems, rather than patients with illnesses’. She has said it’s the culmination of her life’s work.
I rarely comment on youtube but Thank you for this amazing interview. Dr Johnstone exposes in this interview what I have informally but firmly believed for years about psychiatric practice. I really love her approach ,people have problems rather than people have illnesses. I for sure believe it is a more human and more effective way of dealing with human suffering.
Thank god for Lucy Johnstone and others like her.Psychiatry is a sham.
Disease-like Labels, then neurotoxic drugs....
In my experience at 50 years old. The psychiatrist diagnosed me with borderline personality disorder after a 15 minute phonecall. One in person meeting with him and then review phonecalls. Prescribed anti depressants and a few weeks online STEPS programme ( dbt, cbt) and that was it ! This is the UK. Simply put, label a person with a hugely frightening and stigmatised diagnosis and then give them some pills and leave them to it.
@@aleksadupuy yes I agree and society plus community do too
it’s not scientific enough. yeah that’s bullocks. hope u get off the meds. just go very very slow and you’ll be fine. find a real therapist ! not pills
I was told by relatives to take pills. I know a large part of the problem is the side effects of pills and the misdiagnosis of patients. Psych Labels are power controls that can damage and even destroy the people they are given to. Pressure from other people into being given these pills and labels who do not take them themselves is a real problem too. I was under these practises on and off for about 6 to 7 years.
Thanks for your comment. I had a similar experience.
I spoke to a mental health advocate recently who said that many of the people she advocates for take the pills they are given because they feel like they have no choice. I said no to certain treatment from the system that she was talking about and they tried to get me sectioned as a retaliation
Ofc pills has ruined a big part of my life too, but not every single pill I've taken ever.
The medicine I'm on now, methadone, has completely saved my life and I had/have a lot of alternatives if I want to.
It is when you get the wrong medicine, too high/too low dose and so on, that can give you a lot of side effects whuch in that case isn't even worth having because the pills doesn't do anything for you anyway.
I can live with the side effects from amphetamine and methadone because I can clearly see how much it's helping me and I feel good on it.
But if I have daily dystonia from antipsychotic medication when I don't need it but should have had a benso to sleep on instead then ofc it will ruin my life.
Though if I had a dopamine psychosis and got amphetamines instead of anti psychotics then I would of course have the opposite problem.
And there's anti psychotic drugs that doesn't give you dystonia, like clozapine. So doctors need to learn about what they prescribe.
But stop with medication?
Nah, that will ruin so many lives
Lucy Johnstone and Joanna Moncreif understand the current situation, that psychiatric drugs and diagnoses are so harmful, destroy lives, and should be radically reviewed and altered. Lucy can I talk to you?
This woman is 100% accurate. To back up her personal experience and story, I'd like to refer har and her viewers to a US ex psychologist/sociologist. His name is Daniel Macker, also on RUclips.
MANY of us share Lucy Johnstone's perspectives! Share, share, share with people who can think for themselves. And BIG Pharma? Don't get me started.
And Dr. Peter Breggin.
This is just willful ignoring the evidence of your own eyes. I have had melancholia and let me reassure you in the strongest possible terms there was absolutely unequivocally no psychological reason for it. My wife has bipolar and actually had trouble avoiding talking therapies which were forced on her with every bit as much zeal as medication.
Just because dopamine blocking and serotonin reuptake inhibiting doesn't work very well does not mean no one has endogenous mental illnesses. That's like saying liver cancer isn't real because you can't treat it with blood letting.
We have good valid blood tests for melancholia and bipolar and have had for decades, just because pharmaceutical companies don't want people to know this, that doesn't mean it isn't so. The brain is not some infallible organ encased in lead.
absolutely. well said!
dopamine and serotonin are highly questionable elements of depression and antidepressants studies show now ps.
Yes, people suffer from problems. Even without environmental factors sometimes. I don't deny that. But "valid bloodtests for 'bipolar'"? Which institutes and how many hospitals are they available in? Why is it not standard practice in every hospital? Surely it can't be because "pharmaceutical companies don't want you to know about it" because there would be plenty of companies to capitalise on such bloodtests and make money off of them. It's also funny given the fact that psych categorisations don't end at simply "bipolar". A single person is given many such categorisations. A single person can be categorsied as "schizoaffective, bipolar, borderline, ADHD, ODD etc.". It's not that uncommon. Do they have bloodtests for them all?
Also, people are categorised as "bipolar" due to the very effects of psych drugs: SSRIs, SNRIs and stimulants all cause mania in a subset of people they're prescribed to which then leads to them being categorised as "bipolar" (you can see SSRI induced mania as a form of "bipolar disorder" in both Akiskal's and Klerman's schema of 'bipolar subtypes'. Look them up). Weird that you'd have a bloodtest for something that's an iatrogenic occurrence in some cases in the first place. Of course, the pathways to mania are many. Some people have "spontaneous" manias, others have them due to TBIs. When "bipolar" isn't even a single unified thing, it's absurd to assume there's an accurate blood test for it. This sort of "blood test", "MRI/fMRI" crap is often repeated on the internet. It's also a convincing tactic to get people to adhere to treatment when in practice they do none of it.
Awesome! Praise for Dr Lucy Johnstone!
"Silly theories" - David Cohen, Psychology Is Podcast 48, 9/23/22 !
This should be viral
“Something different will happen.”
Inspiring and wonderful.
If you tell a shrink "I deal with depression", he will help you. If someone tells a shrink "being categorised with 'bipolar disorder' or 'borderline personality disorder' ruined my life, my family started gaslighting me, my friends started calling me insane, I ended up getting financially taken advantage of etc.", they will not help you. Because that makes them culpable in creating those issues in your life. They'll deny, dismiss, invalidate and do everything they can do denounce responsibility. They'll give you a PTSD categorisation if you see your mother die in front of you. Will they do that if they themselves created trauma in your life? No way. Then come stern demeanors, smug condescending attitudes, character assassination, gaslighting, trying to put you in your place and make you "realise" that "they are the experts" etc. Hell, it's not just shrinks that do that. Even their patient supporters and family members who effectively act like their kapos do it.
I have yet to meet a mental health professional that looks at environment. They are obsessed with the brain but understand nothing about it
Yes,language is everything in the sense that all human experience is mediated by language..
A simpler explanation is that the DSM and ICD descriptions simply suck. Perhaps because they're based on cold statistics (Mark Twain's "damn lies") instead of the careful observations of lived experience.
I would argue that Kraepelin's descriptions of manic depression are superlative and have outstanding cross cultural application. He just did a better job of listening to patients and reporting the true "flavour" of their experiences.
Just because modern medicine is incompetent, that does not mean mental disease isn't an objectively real thing. We need to listen to patients, if the patient says the had trauma, listen to them. If they say it feels like it's come from "out of the blue", listen to them.
I just find Lucy's claim that she has never treated someone with purely endogenous depression incredible. Sure, it's rare, but I've met plenty of people with real deal fair dinkum melancholia, including myself.
Great video .... helped me a lot in revision for my Clinical Psychology exam ...
Barbora Hodorova there are serious problems in the field. It’s hardly a science at all. People get help from peers who have no training.....it’s not rocket science that requires a degree. I have an advanced degree in a Psych field and it’s often.......that there is $$ involved is a problem right there.
@@aliceingraham7637 I fully agree with you. Jerry Marzinsky is the only real authority on this subject. There are some brilliant interviews with him on YT.
I am absolutely obsessed with your channel!! Brilliant!
Brilliant!
Scientologists are critical of psychiatry because they understand its power and they want it.
Scientologists, as well as non-Scientologist anti psychiatry activists (which make up the majority) are against psychiatry because of it's history of abuse of human rights, and of people. There's this common misconception that the anti-psychiatry movement was fueled and is currently fueled by Scientologists and that's just not true. The vast majority of anti-psychiatry activists are not at all involved in Scientology.
Hmm, that makes a lot of sense. I've also heard that psychiatrists mocked L Ron Hubbard and his ideas early on, and he held a grudge.
Hubbard and Szasz founded the CCHR in 1969. @@katherinelalli776
@@katherinelalli776the grudge had to do w a therapist suggesting to his wife to stay away from him and so he went ape had a fit, is my understanding
Thank you for this excellent interview.
Could you please tell me the date of the interview? It's not appearing below the video (only says 2 years ago). Thanks!
Hi Sara - it was first put out on the podcast feed on Dec 11th 2018. Think I interviewed Lucy the month before that!
Mental health is the development of a mental + emotional dedication - a cathexis!
I thought they linked some thing's to gut health? Schizophrenia and depression...
Very helpful
What is the title of her book.
Tim Meagher Hi Tim, here are some links to Lucy’s books... amzn.to/2EeJDuM & amzn.to/2WZPBXM
Hello, Does Dr.Lucy have an email?
Hi Tania, you may be able to reach her on Twitter or LinkedIn.
@@nousthepodcast588 Thank you so much!
They are about to take away autism from psychiatry. So where would it be diagnosed?
sounds like just hype or rumors. but i don’t see that as bad if their actually! take all the words away and just treat ppl for their daily struggles. diagnosis isn’t doing that effectively at all!
"Psychiatry is a form of policing difficult people" never have truer words been spoken. I am one of those difficult people and i have recently had to fight to nit get sectioned. I was lycky i was having a god day when they came to my house or I could have ended up in a prison.
I despise psychiatrists and most doctors, the arrogance is unbelievable.
If you're wondering what condition i had that made me "difficult" ut is ADHD and ASD. They wanted to imprison me becase i questioned their methods and disagreed with them. These people are monsters
Those "huge Victorian asylums" had as high as one third of patients admitted for "epileptic insanity". Perhaps Lucy can admit that epilepsy at least is endogenous. What is odd and goes to both sides of the argument is that these individuals did appear to have genuine serious mental health issues that oddly match severe BPD. Now you could argue it's nonsense but there is a wealth of clinical history for these cases, so they can't be dismissed out of hand. The problem appears to vanish with the rose of anticonvulsant treatments which includes lithium bromide and the ketogenic diet. So in an odd way I think we're getting a lot of lies from both sides of the debate and I would encourage people to go to their state library and read the records for themselves. Kraepelin and Baillarger were not fools, if they believed an illness was endogenous, it wasn't for frivolous reasons. Of course Kraepelin was very sparing with medication and advised rest and relaxation treatments even for severe cases.
Bpd has always been a garbage diagnosis given to mostly female patients when professionals find them 'difficult' . It's laziness, refusal to admit that they don't know what's wrong, and gender bias.
It also happens to be the most common misdiagnosis for women with asperger. It's called level 1 asd now, though.
Chapeau. This is truly It!
"balanced" view - part truth and part fiction is the balanced view.
23:15 interestingly, among geriatric dementias Alzheimer's is 80% female and clearly egodecompensatory (very much like schizophrenia which is 75% male). I think Alzheimer's is very likely endstage NPD in the sex with longer life expectancies. Lots of evidence Parkinson's is endstage autism (80% male) too. Pathogenic etiology of ASD and SIDS is postpartum psychosis (wish for the child to become "unborn"). Both are 4:1 male to female because disturbed mothers have an easier time seeing daughters as extensions of themselves.
Child sacrifice (currently iterated as SIDS) is just one intraspecies predation endemic to civilization itself as a consequence of the obviation of our omnivorous need to hunt. Stomach-sleeping doesn't cause SIDS, it predicts it (and autism too) because it's a defensive posture against a scowling or menacing mother. Slept on my stomach till my mid-40s. Autism professionals who can't figure out that autistic echolalia is the perseveration of failure to flatter the primary attachment figure into dialogue aren't too bright.
Autistic naivete / gullibility is a groomed mischaracterization of our empathy by the abusive families who project their own lack thereof onto us. The reason the most severe autism is diagnosed earliest is because the child stops adapting in spite of an unsupportive mother when she shows him approval for accepting the limiting label. Schizophrenia begins as an uncontextualized egodiscontinuity nearly always around the time of leaving the home of one's parents because schizophreniform decompensation is essentially the reverse of Stockholm syndrome.
Speaking of dementia, undiagnosed autistic people are being misdiagnosed with early onset dementia and treated with contraindicated antipsychotics which hasten their decline and seem to confirm their misdiagnoses. It's not early dementia (I don't even think autistics could live long enough to get dementia after factoring in our developmental delay) and it's not diogenes syndrome. It's autistic catatonia. Which can be differentiated by lorazepam challenge. Autism is severe anxious attachment. It's also a predisposition to ASPD and BPD sequelae. See They Called Him Mostly Harmless.
Psychiatry pretends ASD is not an adult diagnosis to avoid moral accountability to adults who were diagnosed as kids but not told. There can be no other reason for not telling even diagnosed autistics they will have developmental incapacities to enter into contracts (like marriage) in early adulthood. Of course the diagnosed ones rarely get married. Insisting there's no such thing as an adult onset personality disorder yet refusing to diagnose PDs until adulthood is obviously to accommodate developmental delay. Your guest strikes me as potentially hyperlexic autistic. I don't mean it as an insult most of us have IQs well above 130.
More lvl 1 women are being diagnosed now. Whereas before they were more likely to he diagnosed with bpd if they saught services. I think we will see the recorded numbers of male v female autism start to level out sooner than later. Just bc women were medically ignored doesn't mean theyre less likely to be autistic.
it’s questionable. much if that. using the word us like that does not support any case you adhere to. why do you need to qualify things you say by inadvertently being part of a psychiatric grouping. do you find the current neurobinary of autism pop culture and diy psych to be community building? i know i don’t. but i see you are passionate but these themes you’ve embedded yourself in deeply with, why, i mean does it feel better to or better to dismiss most of it. try a year off; can’t help think it’s happier and healthier but i get this might not feel fair if i don’t know you enough to suggest such.