Planning Permission V Permitted Development Rights
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2020
- Do you need Planning Permission OR are you covered by Permitted Development Rights?
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Building without planning permission UK is something that can only be covered under what you're allowed to do under Permitted Development Rights or PDR. Substantial house extensions require planning permission but you might be surprised when you discover what you can build under permitted development rights.
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I have no idea why this was recommended to me, but I watched it. And I enjoyed it. And I'm not building anything.
Metoo
And me
And me
Yet,, but you will😂😂❤️👍
Really would like more videos like this as it's hard to find this stuff out with out a lot of reading of pdfs.
I second that. These are rare gems
I think you're better off doing the reading because - unfortunately - stuff like this is more complicated than can be effectively explained in a video. He's made a good go at it but has missed out/oversimplified a few things that could potentially cause people trouble.
Its probably best to read the official documents than rely on RUclips videos
I really like how you've done this, kudos to you - bought some appropriate video clips too! You could also say that other than Conservation areas, AONB's, new builds in nice areas might have Permitted Development rights removed. So not even a small and pointless porch! Good job team 👍
Absolutely love your videos. Used them to help tackle so many home projects including renovating my kitchen to the guts and back giving a very happy wife. This helps massively with our future extension plans. Thank you.
Mr Fiddler used to live in my old family home road in Horley at one time, Hevers Avenue..................some years later my dad visited his castle that he built and said the inside was amazing, way more interesting than the outside, he had some fantastic reclamation pieces built into the place including parts of Brighton's old pier ! what a shame it was taken down.
mranchovy They were always gonna make an example of him. The house was fine and improved the location in my view but the underhand way in which he built it guaranteed it’s demise!
mranchovy I used to live down Smallfield rd Horley in the late 80's early 90's .lol.
This side of the football field by the roundabout but has been knocked down & redeveloped now.
Just curious where was Mr Fiddlers castle ? Was it Redhill ?
@@simonscott5104 it was down the same road as Ryall & Edwards Sawmill near Salfords.
@@mranchovydrumbass Oh yeh I know where you mean. Nice of you to reply. Wish there were photo's of the inside of the castle.,would have been interesting to see. I bet it didn't help his case having the name of Mr Fiddler lol Take care.
@@simonscott5104 lol yeah...bit of a Fiddle that one :-)
Some years ago, the planners forced me to avoid a side gabled two-storey extension, saying from the front it must follow the original roof slope, that is, it had to be a hipped roof.
I didn't get to build it, and after selling the house ten years later, the new owner got permission for a gabled side extension !
The luck of the draw in which planner you get on your case, with their particular obsessions.
As an architect, you would not believe how difficult this sort of thing makes my job. A lack of consistency experienced by Local Planning Authorities makes giving advice during the planning process an extremely tricky process to navigate!
A few years ago I rebuilt my workshop, an old 50's thing complete with asbestos roof and built from cheap engineering bricks. I rebuilt using reclaimed london stocks to match surrounding s. Slate mansard and a lead top with velux. It looks great. We had all manner of restrictions on height and use making it very difficult. Within 2 years the slum next door sold the garden(disused burnt out illegal car yard) and a two bed house was built , taller than my building by 2 feet, bigger footprint, its slapped against my building and tied to the back of the existing property which is already 6 slum flats. You couldn't spit through the gaps around it. And now I'm not allowed to raise my main roof 4 feet on my detached house so I can sit up in bed. Theres alot of jealous folk in planning.
I’m not a builder of any sort but find your videos very interesting and a joy to watch.
Thanks
Steve
Great overview of our wonderfully straightforward and hassle-free system Roger 👍. Always pays to seek pre. planning advice too if you're venturing on anything remotely ambitious. This used to be a no cost option but sadly isn't any longer so puts people off, but a positive outcome from this gives much confidence in advance of the 'main event'. Looking forward to the next vid on building control!
Good advice as always Roger.been at odds with my planning for years now .been given planning for my single story extension but not for balcony .total nightmare .
Don't ever get fooled by the "retrospective Planning Permission".
If you apply for retrospective Planning Permission, in law you have acknowledged that Planning Permission is required.
Your chances of arguing that Planning permission is not required or is covered under "permitted development" are gone if you apply for retrospective permission.
On one occasion we refused to acknowledge permission was required and the council realised their case was weak and gave up.
Many years later learned that the council wanted us to apply for retrospective permission to then proceed with enforcement and demolition.
"This isn't France!"
Haha
Great summary Roger, might be worth doing a video on the Party Wall etc.Act 1996 as part of the series. Catches so many people out and architects and builders are mostly unaware, leaving client’s vulnerable. (Looks like you needed it on your extension).
M1 Architecture
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I like the presentation, very nicely laid out and informative.
The only thing I would to the new 6 and 8-meter extension rule is, it comes under prior approval (you have to apply to the council) and the council need to carry out the "neighbour consultation scheme". You can get away without drawings but its always a good idea to have a rough plan drawn, particularly if there are a lot of modifications to the original house.
Having leveraged permitted developmemt, for a conservatory, at our previous house. I have a two story extension, to the side of the current house, in my 5 year plan. So this series will be very insightful. With that said pretty much everyone in the 12 house row, has already extended in the same way. Thanks for the information.
Retrospective Planning Permission = If you are a well known housebuilder (with a name starting with letter after O in the alphabet) you can do whatever you want. You can change the style and mix of houses, change road plans on the fly, squeeze more houses on a plot than previously permitted, rip down hedges, remove bee friendly walls and bat friendly garages. It’s almost as if they bribed the council planning officers.
Presumably you took you evidence of corruption to the police?
Very interesting and well presented. Well done.
Great video, however in my experience residential extension planning applications will very rarely go to a planning committee. You can find out what will and won't be permitted by searching ''*your local council* SPD'', these are supplementary planning documents and there should be a specific one for residential design. All planning applications will go through a Planning officer first and if you are within the SPD you shouldn't have any problems and the project would not go in-front of a committee. Always appoint a local Architect for any building works, they will be able to advise you on local rules and policies and design an extensions that falls within them.
Sound advice
A lot of the dealings with Bristol(UK) council, that I've heard about, seem to involve envelopes of cash passed under tables! I doubt their planning dept is any different judging by the ugliness of most of the recent developments.
Please tell me where it would make my life a lot easier to get my clients applications through.
Have you taken your evidence to the police? No, thought not. Because you’re just spouting predictable, unfounded BS
@@bield7 even if i gave a shit, do you honestly think the police do either?
Because you have no bloody evidence, just heresay
@@bield7 everything ok, bud?
Your point on the planning committee is apt! It's a bit like a qualified Nurse approving your mortgage application!!
This channel is Excellent!!! and so well presented that it deserves millions of subscribers!!! 👍👍👍
Thank you so much 😀 You can come back any time
Great vid Roger...as always!👍
Before building anything you think is permitted development, first get a lawful development certificate. It costs less than planning permission and you’ll probably need one anyway when you come to sell. Don’t rely on an email from a council officer, it’s never binding.
This a great video. Permitted development rights can be tricky to get right if its your first time using them. The problem is mainly terminology. The planning system likes to make things seem a lot more complicated than they are in reality. Holds a lot of people back from using the planning system to develop real estate because it can seem so confusing.
Here in Ireland you can build a 40 square meter extension to the rear of your house (or unseen side from main road) without any issues.
Thanks alot man very informative and well presented and there is no method to local government's madness I work in construction and local government's always move the bloody goal post 🤦♂️👍
Thanks Roger, nicely put
Great video rodger 👍👍
Permitted development has so many grey areas it is almost always worth getting planning in my opinion. Planning councillors are unqualified and mostly small minded busy bodies. We do about 200 planning applications a year in Bristol and Gloucester and I can’t say what is or not allowed still. Well done man I liked your video
Great video, covered a lot of interesting stuff.
Useful information, thanks 🙏 👍
Another good video Roger. Interesting that Victoria Australia isn't the only place where Planning Permission is an utter pain in the proverbial. Fortunately however, most residential construction here doesn't require Planning Approval and the constraints you mention are covered in the building regulations. These days, obtaining building approval is much easier since the system was privatised. Commercial development is another matter and unfortunately a lot of Town Planners have the mindset of forcing applicants to go to VCAT (appeal) so nobody can criticise them for approving a controversial project. I am glad I am retired.
Thanks that was both interesting and informative, stuff we peasents don't normally get to know about until its too late :)
Great video with amazing tips,
Thanks
I presume you mean extension to current house, the permitted developments rights on summer house/sheds are different, If the outbuilding is within 2 metres of the property boundary the whole building should not exceed 2.5 metres in height.
Outbuildings must be single storey with a maximum eaves height of 2.5 metres and maximum overall height of 4 metres with a dual pitched roof, or 3 metres in any other case.
Outbuildings and other additions must not exceed 50% of the total area of land around the original house. Sheds and all other outbuildings and extensions to the original house must be included when calculating this 50% limit.
To be permitted development, any new building must not itself be separate, self-contained, living accommodation and must not have a microwave antenna.
We *do* get training, and we're obliged to follow the National Planning Policy Framework which defines what we can and can't object to. If we don't, an appeal *will* suceed on procedural grounds (nothing to do with the design or the location).
Having said all that in defence, well, actually - you're right 😃
Looking forward to the building regs one!
Me too.
I live in on a terrace. A near neighbour had a large extension built under permitted development but the architect/builder made a mistake. Got a letter from the Council, neighbour notification for retrospective planning permission. Neighbour round, bottle of wine in hand, sorry about all the noise and mess. Another letter comes, permission refused so appeal now in progress. Found out later the planning inspectorate had dismissed the appeal. When I had a closer look the neighbour's architect and a firm of consultants had prepared appeals which relied on examples of other developments the Council had passed. My local councillor told me that the planning decision's don't take precedents into account. So if you see something a neighbour has had done don't automatically think you can do the same.
Great content as usual.
Good video thanks Roger
Great video. thanks.
Very interesting and informative.
Very, very informative and interesting. Subscribed.
Welcome aboard! Thank you for joining us
Haha love the planning committee’s “Bisby meeting agenda”; Brilliant!
Looking forward to the building regs video
Love the editing In this good info!! 😂
Thank you!! 😁Sam
It's worth pointing out that any 'permitted development' project is submitted as an application to obtain a "Certificate Of Lawful Development" approval to remove any doubt that it is within PD. Restrictions are also imposed on projects within 2 metres of the side boundaries. The 7 metre restriction is for the rear boundary.
This is a great video. very helpful to share with homeowners
Thanks Skill Builder
No it’s not, because much of it is legally incorrect
Great video.
Amazing, the rules do change over time.
they certainly do! Councils detest Permitted Development and will use abybtactic to "regularise" planning - i.e. bring it under their control. 1st it was Article 4s, now it's nimbyism/envious neighbours. Stick up for the independent uk sense if initiative, however temporarily hideous the structure may be; stick up for P.D. Councils are turning England into sameness wherever you go when that's so Not Us.
Here in Doncaster certain sections of the community have no planning restrictions at all
@Bluewolfe from what I know of donny,, I'm guessing he's referring to travellers.
This killed me. Well done. 👏
You might need to do an update to this as most householder applications are approved/refused based on 'delegated powers', that is, the planning officer will make a decision and no committee is involved at all.
It's still subjective though. Permitted development is so hard to get right as there are a lot of points to tick off.
That's right. Every Council has their own 'scheme of delegated powers' which explains which applications can be decided by the officer or the committee. Every Council is different based on different political interests of the Council.
Looking forward to the video on building regs, I find them very inaccessible and unclear as a DIYer
Thank you
House looks good mate , no need to expensiveshion
Pretty good vid all in all...
Great video 👍
Nice drum Rog!
Very informative ,
Where do you live Roger? Beautiful place. You are very modest by saying that you are not rich. :) Good job guys. I like your channel!
My story, I had a shell of a loft extension built and wanted zinc cladding, Zinc was too expensive so went for raised seam steel. Looked great until an architect complained (He was a nut case as others had run ins with him). Hmm I really should have check it out before hand. Now It been clad over in tiles. Not as nice looking but should conform to reg's when I reapply.
This guy is brilliant
Haha you are the best. Only you could make planning permission hilarious!
Thanks, that was the intention but some people took it a bit too seriously.
You shou be in a movie with Dolph Lundgren 😁
Top video. I'm planning project and I'm looking on weather or not I will need planning or permitted development.
Whilst we’re at it building control is different to planning permission, even though the civil servants involved sit next to each other at the Council offices. You can get planning permission for something that won’t pass building regulations.
And vice versa
Hi Roger, great video. I'm looking a double extension in the near future, your videos are a great help.
So is the process get drawings from architect apply for permission. Once permission is granted select your building contractor and start build. Then get council or third party building control to over see build standard are up to spec?
Only 5% of Planning Applications go to committee. Most are by delegated powers (Planning Officer only)
I heard that if you take off his neckerchief, this dude loses his mighty powers of bitter sarcasm
I'm having a 4.5m extension built (3m being permitted) and the planning took forever. Also have planning permission for loft conversion, but I can't afford that - leave that for the next person. One thing you should of mentioned that if you submit plans for 2 types, like I did, once you've started on one, the other remains in situ and doesn't have to be renewed.
good point. It is usually 5 years unless you have started so starting on one part is a good idea.
Hi Roger, At 6:50 you mentioned the next video, would be about navigating building regulations. Did you make this video? I searched your channel and cannot find it.
Good Video
This advice may vary depending on your council however if you think you have permitted development rights it is best to apply for a certificate of lawful use. This means your permitted development is considered lawful and you will have the correct paperwork when you come to sell.
Good advice
@@SkillBuilder Yep.
Had a few builders around to quote for some work that I wanted a couple of years ago.
The first words out of the mouth of each and every one of them to a man was "you should apply for a Certificate of Lawful Development".
Why?
"Neighbours" came back the answer.
Fortunately, my neighbours are fine, but further questioning revealed that neighbours frequently decide that they don't like what you are building late on in the process.
The council planning department is, as we all know in these straitened times, pushed for budget and therefore time. If you have a certificate then their standard response to any subsequent complaints is to go shove it where the sun don't shine. Saves an awful lot of hassle. The builders all knew this - doubtless from bitter personal experience of customer jobs past.
The advice from these builders was so strikingly uniform that I immediately set about obtaining a certificate. (In fact, I went further and opted for full planning permission for other reasons but that is another story.)
People should get to their MPs and demand that local councils publish a document that states building parameters that don't need planning permission. This would enable people to build what they want - ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY - without having to even talk to the council. For me this is a necessity for the future because many council planners just refuse things because they can. They just need to publish a document that says maximum height, minimum distance from boundary, maximum number of levels, max rooms, max windows etc etc. It's not difficult but if they did it they would lose their authority over everyone. They are generally unhelpful and obstructive and what really angers me is that you have to go and ask another person who doesn't own your property if you are allowed to modify the property that YOU own. This is a total absurdity and really makes me wonder how we got ourselves into this position. I'm not suggesting you should be able to do what you want but there should be parameters that people can make sure they are well within so that they know the council can do nothing about it. Obviously if you want to do something elaborate or at the limits then you would be best to apply but if you know you are well within published limits then I don't see why it's anyone's business. Back in caveman days you woulda just battered any caveman who told you not to do this or that with your cave. We're supposed to be civilised now but I don't see what's civilised about authorities imposing their will on the people because that's exactly what's happening. We've given these people too much authority over us. What they did with that guy - making him knock down his house - was ridiculous. He basically outsmarted them so they went screeching to a judge, like big lassies, to make him demolish it. I hope they all burn in hell for what they did - the true authority will make them pay!!! They should remember the guy years ago who they angered so much he shot and killed the over-zealous council planner - was all filmed on the news. They hide behind the BS "we're just doing our job" but that's how the Nazis got away with what they did and it's how all bad authority does bad deeds and eventually someone stands up them.
Jim Reynolds the planning portal gives out information of what can and cannot build. It’s pretty simple to work out and even has pictures for those who are not up to understanding simple guidelines.
There already is such a document and it's existed for decades, it's a piece of legislation called the General Permitted Development Order, it sets out exactly what you can do to your house without planning permission. It's available here: www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/596/contents/made. There is also a more readable guide available here: www.gov.uk/government/publications/permitted-development-rights-for-householders-technical-guidance
If you'd done some basic research or asked a planner - ANY planner - they would have told you this. Most of your anger about this matter seems to be a result of your own ignorance, quite frankly.
What about the Nazi people who will do what they want. Have no respect of neighbours or anyone and even authorities?
I want to build a timber extension room basically a shed of the back of my house upto the nabours wall tryed contacting council but no excepting advice or new application at the moment looks like I will just have to wait until I can get the go ahead
Dont get me started on planners. I applied for planning over a year ago and im still yet to hear back ! First my application was "lost" on a desk for three months, and now im three months past the deadline and still no answer ! Now i just get an auto email response basically stating "im not working from home because i have kids, so im having a long break, but im still taking 100% of my salary". Corrupt, power crazy spongers.
We were given permission to extend rear by 6 meters… max height 3.9 and height at eave..2.7 meters… when we applied for prior notification the plan was for a pitch roof.. but now we want a flat roof with a sky lantern… can we just build it according to the limits given in d permission under class a, part 1, schedule 2 of the town and country 2015?
Thanks
Interesting........!
we are back to that free for all, roger
In UK building law is complex and varies between councils.
Would I be able to build a single story extension that projects to 4 meters with a second story that projects 3 meters under permitted development, if it was more than 2 meters from the boundary?
So, as I live in a conservation area, I am officially posh. That's nice to know for somebody raised in a council house in Slough.
Humour that is all
@@SkillBuilder It would appear my particular brand of that is a little too dry then.
Although I am wondering if I might qualify for double posh points as it's a conservation area within the Cotswolds.
Hello
We are planning to build a rear extension and move the kitchen over there
Can I relocate a new boiler and the flue into the newly built house extension under the permitted development?
Best regards
Be warned about PD over 4m and also CIL payments if over 100sqm OR CIL if you dont notify of commencement.
“Anywhere where posh people live” superb.
Roger could you do a video explaining to us novices, when you put in a concrete trench foundation ie 1 mtr depth say 60 mm wide overall say 10mtr in length what height do you bring that concrete up to , and do you take in all the other considerations scallpings ,sand membrane,insulation board, concrete slab, membrane , and maybe joists for the new floor level does all of this come into the equation when putting in concrete trench foundation, can you explain please
meanwhile where I am in Texas: just build it. no inspections for structure or even electrical.
Well you are probably fine because there are no cowboys in Texas.
@@SkillBuilder I am certain that was an insult of some sort but I take no offense because I also feel it's inaccurate.
Adam Rivera I think it was more of a joke rather than meaning to be insulting 👍
@@brothyr Matt Risinger was filming in Austin the other day, he is such a good builder and clearly a really nice guy.
@@brothyr no it's wasn't an insult, a cowboy is British slang for someone who doesnt know what they are doing. So he was just saying your builders are all good. The fact you are in texas which has real cowboys is the joke
Hi Roger, Great video, as it happens I am building a small rear extension to my house, looking to have it K-rend finish, currently using breeze blocks to internal leaf and concrete to external leaf, is it wise to use breeze blocks on external leaf as it could be a little heavy and hard using concrete blocks, thanks
Hi Rubi
Are you talking about aircrete as in Celcon and Thermalite or a lightweight concrete block such as Hemelite.
I hate aircrete. I prefer Hemelite. They have less insulation value but they don't crack and are great to render
I worry that your overall message is that the planning process is arbitrary which it is not. Planning decisions are not just made by planning committees - they are also made by planning officers under delegated powers and you cannot attend this decision making process. The decisions are guided by planning policies that are contained in your local planning authorities' Local Plan and perhaps Core Strategy. When I got planning permission in a contentious site, I was helped by the fact that I worked from the plans of a consented house nearby and made sure that my proposal was similar and fell within the planning policies governing development in my setting. You can also engage a planning consultant to help with this. It is also sensible to ensure that your parish council is on supportive. Lastly, you can seek pre application advice from the planning department to hone your proposal to make it more consentable. I do not feel it is sensible to go into such an expensive project without doing your homework. You need a more proactive, positive and engaged approach to planning if you want to succeed than is conveyed by the ethos of this video. BTW, I'm just a regular bloke who wanted to build my own house and set about learning about it as a lay person who started out with no more experience than the next shopkeeper.
Hi David
You may well be right in much of what you say but my expeirennce of the system or lack of it is different to yours.
We paid for a planning consultant who steered us through and got the permission but a few months later somebody did the very thing we had been refused on. We were poking fun at it and quite honestly it is a farce.
@@SkillBuilder It may be a farce in some eyes but we are stuck with it and anyone wanting permission to build would be well advised to do their homework, get sound advice and to treat the system with seriousness. And whilst the planning system argues that no decision creates a precedent, you should always argue that similar proposals decided under the same planning policies should produce similar outcomes. So if the someone you mentioned was refused under the same policy framework as that under which your permission was decided and their site is not covered by a different planning designation (say, conservation area), they should have a strong argument at appeal. Going forward, Government is likely to relax the national policies to deliver increased numbers of new homes and economic growth so the National Planning Policy Framework will almost certainly change - I would advise your someone to keep an eye out for this if they decide to revise the proposal and reapply. One always needs to target an application on current policy and set out their arguments to grant in a Planning Statement to accompany their drawings.
Some of this advice is a bit misleading; particularly in relation to permitted development regulations, and the process for planning applications. For most householder planning applications, they will be assessed by an officer of the local planing authority under 'delegated powers'.
Very helpful video and some good points but most (80%) applications are done via delegated powers not by committee
Yes but it is still not representative and is arbitrary
What do you mean by the buildings curtilage and is it 50% of the size of the original garden as I always thought it was the area of the house.
You are right but if you extend your house by 50% then it can't be more than 50% of your curtilage. They are avoiding the big house in a small plot.
Is there a full video of the clip at 2:36? The house is a mirror image of mine and I’ve been struggling to think of how to extend. It would be really interesting to see what they did for that building. Thanks
It is called a wrap around extension. It uses two steel beams to support the side and back of the house. It is very common.
thinking of building a garden pod (less than 15 square meters floor space and less that 2.5 Mts high) under PD. Do I have to pay for a certificate of lawful development or can I just crack on does anyone know ?
Hi whats the chances of getting permission for the front extension. If u got around 80sqm drive at the front. Is council give permissions for front extensions?
Yes you can get it but they look at the building line of the properties either side.
Hi Roger
I’m looking to build a extension on Taras house, the extension will not be more than 3 meters from the back wallop of the house. Where do I start?
Do I need to get a architect first?
Or do I need to get hold of building control and let them know what I would like to do?
Regards
Lee
Hi Lee
Do a sketch of what you want to do and take it to the planning people. They will give you an idea of what is feasible. Sometimes you have to pay a fee for a consultation but at least you can see what is allowed. If should be within permitted development but best to check. Then find a guy who does drawings. You don't need an architect because they often charge a lot for not very much. You are interested in the Building Regs approval and on very simple extensions you could do it on Building Notice.
I don't have a house. Or a building business but now I'm buying a house just to build an extension.
That is a very amusing comment
Planning permission is always a bit of a dark one nobody knows the real answer so always speak to the council I’ve put a flat roof On my conservatory (it was all brick apart from a door and window )it was leaking and made it a room with a toilet but it had heating and wiring in already so when I move I hope it goes ok and don’t get held back by not having planning permission on it
Well just have to say that was excellent m8! Thank you very much that's helped me no end. Just 1 question, when you say you can build out up too 6meters on a terrace property is that 6meters length and width? Cheers M
No 6 metres length.
@@SkillBuilder thank you ! Now I Just need to know how far can i go up to on the width? Cheers m
matthew calder I may get corrected on this but it’s 6 metres out from the house and the full length of the house providing that total square meterage is no more than 50% of the total garden area.