Not Yet in the CoP: TRIPLE TWISTING YURCHENKO
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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Simone could've easily done it and still can but honestly there's not enough incentive. WAG vault is a snooze fest.
The world is regressing on vault except a couple of gymnasts, so we won't see that in the nearest future. Even the number of successful Amanar is ZERO at 2022 & 2023 worlds.
On beam as well
What's up with this!? I can watch the 1991 world's and witness harder gymnastics. It's so annoying watching DTY on vault in 2024.
@@stevensmith8242 Leg events are injury-prone so many people concentrate on bars and beam instead. FIG makes this quad a bars quad, so people are stacking difficulty there. Floor is a dumpster fire. Vault is a high scoring event but it's still less than bars.
I don't agree with this. Back in 2008/2011 vaulters like Barbosa and Pavlova were considered strong athletes and both suffered to master the amanar-cheng's combination. Actually it's very rare to achieve two strong vaults, not even Alicia, Aliya or Maroney got to upgrade the DTY or Mustafina/Lopez (I would guess only a few bunch of gymnasts got the chance to put it together - Rosu, Cheng, Biles, Paseka, Carey, Skinner, Rebeca, Chusovitina and Hong un Jong / although I consider the double twist tsukahara and the chusovitina/yeo very complex vaults as well)
@@angelinafreiredossantos8800 In the past, three DTY or other 5D+ vaults are compulsory for top teams. Now they are struggling to put three 5D+ vaults, so that's not true. Besides that most of those gymnasts are from 2017- era. After 2021, the world regresses a lot on vault.
It would be ridiculous if they valued it at 5.8 considering the YDP is a 6.4 and they're both the same DV in MAG
YDP should have been higher in MAG. Now that MAG cares so much about viewership, they have to urgently increase the value of double back elements on floor. They should do the same on vault.
Agreed. The simple fact that no woman has ever succeeded in doing it in competition seems like all the proof you need that it is REALLY hard, and 5.8 is too low. I think I'd be okay with 6.0 (and 5.6 for the Amanar), though 6.1 or 6.2 would be better.
ITA.
Hong Un Jong did try the triple-twisting Yurchenko in the vault finals at the Rio Olympics. She wanted to get it named for her, but the judges decided she didn't quite get it all the way around, plus she fell. Gutsy move on her part - with an easier vault she would presumably have medaled.
Difficulty in 2013-2016 WAG CoP for a triple twisting Yurchenko was 6.3. LInk to Hong Un Jong's vault in Rio ruclips.net/video/AirQbT3DZ0c/видео.htmlsi=c8aNecP29nz49I-d
They gave 6.8 to the TTY at Rio, but counted as an Amanar (6.3)
@@ShyTygerGuy Wrong it was a 6.8 in Rio quad.
The mere fact that very few WAGS are performing the Amanar these days tells me that next to nil would be willing to perform the TTY outside of the gym. Having said that, I would love to see Rebeca give it a go, if only to get her name in the COP somewhere. Yet, having suffered three ACL injuries during her career, that might be a lot to ask of her. Even so, she and Simone are the only ones who I think can successfully land this.
It seems the woman from North Korea had it. Too bad she didn't compete it. Don't think she ever will, considering she's 35.
I rather WAGs learn a Cheng / Biles vault than trying a TTY. A Biles vault is 0.2 lower than TTY in MAG, but 0.2 higher in WAG.
@@Recash5hong un jong is well into retirement, unfortunately. She was actually pretty decent on floor too.
Would have loved to see McKayla Maroney try it
She had beautiful height!
I think it's unlikely anyone will try it in competition. Gymnasts are barely doing the amanar right now because they know they're likely to lose any gains from the difficulty score in the execution.
The gymnast from North Korea looks like she may pull it off in the near future. Gotta say that they have some really good gymnasts there and even their rhythmic gymnasts in 1992 were excellent. Then their economy went under and we saw nothing for years.
She retired in 2016 and failed to successfully perform it in Olympic finals
I think Aimee trained Simone very smart. (TTY and the Triple Front Tuck was over rotated in her early days and could have absolutely been named after her)
" *I think Aimee trained Simone very smart* " YES!! I think this is ONE of the MAIN differences between Simone's gymnastic journey and that of Rebeca's. Rebeca was clearly a talented young lady from the get go but I firmly believed she was not coached well and not paced properly. Simone on the other hand truly struck GOLD with Aimee as a coach. For me, she is the reason behind Simone's success. Until the Landis are able to bring Simone that AA, vault and floor gold at the Olympics, they will always be second rated in my mind to Aimee.
I know we would love to see more complex vaults but vaulting has a very HIGH incidence of career ending injury! So if we never see these vaults to a hard landing lets not blame the gymnast. I would rather they have a longer career than a career ending injury.
I agree, however, the TTY has an advantage, which is that it doesn’t have a blind landing.
I'm assuming and hoping it would be given a 6.0 start value. If it's a 5.6 for men, they shouldn't value it just .2 more than it's worth for the men.
Muito triste terem baixado tanto a dificuldade do Amanar , hoje em dia vale muito mais a pena fazer uma dupla pirueta bem executada pra arriscar um 9,5 de execução e tirar um 14,500 do que tentar o Amanar com 9 de execução pra tirar um 14,400 , só a FIG pra achar que isso tem lógica
Mas a ideia foi justamente essa. Rebaixar pra ninguém fazer. Gosto do Amanar, mas já tinha virado bagunça
Sempre foi isso. A questão é, para fazer exercícios mais difíceis, o ginasta tem que ter uma execução muito limpa, pq vai ter desconto do mesmo jeito.
Quem não tem capacidade de fazer assim, melhor ir no mais fácil.
No caso do Amanar, a Biles sempre tem uma execução com poucos descontos. Pra ela, vale a pena fazer.
Interesting it'd be a 5.8 and yurchemko double pike is 6.4. They're both 5.6 in MAG
Actually Yurchenko double pike should be higher in MAG. Women's vault is shorter so double tuck / double pike are way difficult than triple twist.
@@cocoroni1031 The YTP is still pretty difficult though. Hence, no female gymnast has successfully performed it yet. D-value of YTP should be 6.0+.
@@cocoroni1031 The shorter vault makes more twists harder too, just as it makes more saltos harder. Either way it's about the air time you get to make the rotation, regardless of the axis of rotation.
He's a little secret: Women and men are different. Thus, the difference between two skills can be substantial for women, whilst being negligible for men. The double pike requires more power - power being something men can create much easier than women - whereas the YTP is less power and more technique and so, easier for women to do. Hence why so many women have seriously trained the YTP and only one has trained the Biles II.
rebeca andrade is close to making this vault official with her name, many doubted that she could do it and hoped to see the vault at the olympic games, however rebeca was smart and didn't want to risk a guaranteed medal to try to win the gold, because if she had made a mistake She might not have been on the podium and the Olympics are every four years, so it wasn't worth the risk, but she will definitely do it in some world championship, as she posted 2 videos and the execution is very good
Now we know that Rebeca Andrade was training this vault...
3. Difficulty Value: INSANE. How bout that?
I'm not surprised Alex Mcmurtry was doing this skill. She's always been such a powerful gymnast.
I’m glad she was firm in her decision not to try elite and have a normal childhood because she avoided so much abuse.
But man imagine what a beast she would’ve been on the world level. Certainly would’ve been that girl on vault and floor!
@@Ajay.Plants Had she been Healthy and managed to avoid the abuse she would've rivaled Simone, Rebeca, and Jade.
@@KiingOfFlipz she never wanted to do elite she said she wanted a normal childhood and refused to go for it.