@@billclay2701Have you tried it before? I have had it for two weeks now and i'm going back to Windows, maybe another distro. You very much still have to do stuff through terminal. And it doesn't come with basic features, like stop charging at x% or or adjusting / in increasing colors, gamma, etc. It also took me some time to finally get openrgb working.
pcgameshardware has done a test comparing games on Nobara Linux and Windows 11 with 9700X, and it's kinda hard to believe, but overall Linux is indeed faster. 6% faster in Cyberpunk, 13% faster in RDR2, 9% faster in Horizon Forbidden West, 8% faster in Ghost of Tsushima.
I am using Nobara 40 and an AMD GPU (7900 GRE) and I can confirm performance on games like Cyberpunk and Ghost of Tsushima is great, even if I am using a modest i5 12400F.
I guess windows is too busy fighting it's users to optimise things as well, also I've had really good experiences gaming on linux especially with older games using directx8 etc. though I only have one gaming computer so it's a sample of one computer and a few games, might not be better all the time.
Eh, windows has become like arch to configure. Not even joking on that front. Like the setup and modification from stock is getting a little absurd. Plus every update you have to do most of it again. FUN! Also for the linux game performance, linux with older games flies. I've never seen a case where windows significantly outperforms linux in that scenario. Most of the time linux has higher performance.
Not just older games too, running a 6950xt here and maybe because it's the same gen arch as the steam deck's gpu, gaming on Proton for me is comparable to Windows in frame rate and even surpasses it in consistency when it comes to stuttering. I've always done dual boots every few years to track the progress of the Linux experience and this last year I've just never returned to windows. It's truly freeing!
@@vincei4252 Surprisingly, about 6. Working on a big video for Geerling Engineering, building a 3D printer, and working on a video means I haven't had any new GPU testing going on recently :(
For presenting Zen 5 in the best possible light, one should use CachyOS as distro as it provides Zen 4-repos with compiler tuning for that microarchitecture enabling all the AVX-512 goodness distro-wide.
What a time to be alive. Are we finally at the inflection point? When linux is good enough, better even in many ways than windows, while simultaneously windows is worse than it has ever been before? Will 2025 finally be the year that the linux desktop becomes mainstream, as the era of the desktop computer fades?
@@SirMo I can confirm, my Lenovo ThinkBook Zen2 Ryzen 7 4800 with 48GB RAM works without any issues - after kernel 5.15 it has never crashed, never failed to go to sleep, battery life is 10 hours light work (~4W idle with ~120nits), or 5-7 hours normal work (browsing without adblock, compiling) and ~200nits.
When I switched over to Linux earlier this year, gaming was a big reason why. I noticed the games I play were either on par or slightly worse on Linux (with in 1-3%). Overall been super happy with the experience on Linux to the point where if I use a PC with Windows it feels archaic and just worse. I'll be interested to see how these CPUs benchmark on gaming on Linux, seems promising.
There are some stuff in Linux desktop that I miss a lot on Windows. But most people don't know because they are reluctant to test Linux for more than 5 minutes.
I noticed that even when fps are a bit lower than on Windows the games run super smooth. No hitching, shader stutters or half a second pauses. It's just a much better experience. No driver installs or fiddling with registry settings either.
@@Isaiiahii Saying everything works would be lying. Vulkan games usually run great and often perform better than on Windows. Kernel level anticheat is mostly a non-starter. You can check compatibility on protondb. Most of my games run pretty well to great.
Thank you Wendell. Yeah, Michael Larabel really likes his 9950X. Check the whole test, but last or 2nd last page, he does a average of all render, avg of all database, avg of all transcode, avg of all compression and decompression, and so on ~ and in those averages, the 9950X just wipes the floor with everything! There are some outliers, up and down, but when you look at a wide range of tests and benches, the 9950X just kills it. Compiler performance is just wonderful! If you're a dev and compiling something like custom linux kernels all the time, or the whole Chromium project or something, you need a 9950X right now! This thing just PLOUGHS through compilation!
Most people should be switching to Linux at this point. The misinformed sniping really needs to stop. Microsoft has shown they can't be trusted to just make an operating system that focuses on operating system things.
That's been true for over a decade (about microsoft). But windows really is perpetually getting _worse_ The real question, is Linux 'there' yet? In terms of handling broad hardware & software compatibility, directX, etc?
Nah, linux still sucks in a lot of situations. Like for example I can't run wayland on my nvidia gpu. So I have to x11 a window server from the late 1980s
@@lost-prototype im not slow, you just can't read. NVIDIA does not support automatic KMS late loading. So you have to change kernel parameters to get it to work with wayland. I tried that and it still didn't work. This was last week on manjaro kde, with newest kernels and everything.
So your entire title is about gaming on Linux but when it comes to gaming on Linux basically all you have to say is “I’m not ready to talk about that yet.” Come on Wendell, you’re better than that.
I really enjoyed seeing your vintage items on the shelf in the background. They really shine a light on just lucky we are (in most ways) to have the technology that we do. I grew up on a rotary phone, B/W television and then getting into color, and the onset of push-tone phones.
I really appreciate your material is part educational, part review. And I'm noticing the quality of the editing and pacing has been phenomenal lately. I feel like so many reviewers are just being terribly negative as they put bar chart after bar chart on screen nitpicking percentages. I'm tired of it. I want excitement and positivity. I want to enjoy tech.
Linux is defiantly in a golden age of gaming, it's question has shifted from "Does Game X run on Linux?" to "Does Game X not run on Linux?" I'm a Linux desktop user that pay games and haven't booted in to Windows for several years now. Which also begs the question, is Linux going to be the king of PC gaming in the future. With portable x86 gaming devices running Linux to cost savings potential in Cloud Gaming servers there could be a few long term interests influencing AMD to optimize things for running on Linux.
@@CarlJohnson234 Actually I have found more success running old games in Linux than I have had in Windows 10 and 11. Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance is an example where it is terribly unstable on Windows and you need to apply community patches to even have some ability to run the game. In Linux I just downloaded it and entered an instruction on the Steam boot options limit the amount of CPU cores being used - no crashing, it just runs fine.
Most of my games are compatible (gold or platinum rating). My problem is the lack of features, like HRR + VRR. My soundcard (SB Z) isn't working out of the box, and even after tweaking is far from its performance on Windows. Also there's no softwre to control it, to switch the audio output of the card I have to use alsamixer. Another problem that there's no hud like Afterburner. Mangohud is far from that because Linux can read only 1/10 of the sensors other (open source) software can on Windows. So much little annoyances but these make me feel Linux isn't there yet.
I think gaming on linux is gaining really good traction. I'm gaming on linux since 2011 and since valve took interest in wine (proton), it's speeding up very fast. Some game titles already see in the handheld market with the steamdeck running linux better performance then on their windows counterpart handhelds (this does not mean they're overall faster, but especially 1% lows seem to be better on linux. Gamers Nexus did a take on this). But I really think the linux scheduler is better at keeping the process threads of a given program on the same CCD locally so that core parking like in windows is not necessary. This is even with x3d cache only on one CCD. So windows would need to improve on their own scheduler to make multiple CCD CPUs work better there. Ps. thanks wendell that you're doing this also for the linux community.
Linux scheduler improves a lot lately because of things need to address to support Asymmetric cores performance of P/E Cores of Intel and also X3D CCDs parts of AMD. Now I guess scheduler are work better on Linux than Windows. In windows software (games) need to very optimize for various CPU topology to works well. Or those with P/E cores and X3D Parts/SMT enabled sucks. I guess right now Linux scheduler better handling this kind of CPU and NUMA, result in higher performance of some games in linux because windows are bad t it.
I’ve been running my 7950x machine with 96gb just like you recommended back when I got it, and it’s never given me one bit of trouble. It lets me play metro exodus with physx on my 3080, while I’m running docker AND serving data to another machine at 400 mbps over WiFi. Like holy crap
I love it, I have specifically waited for the 9950X to build a server, but still I'm super scared of choosing the right mainboard and RAM. memory instability on AM5 is crazy
Agreed! Last year I felt Windows 10 for gaming was just too good to give up. Not anymore, lol. Playing Elden Ring on Linux Mint, the game loading screens are way faster than they are on Win 10, and the gameplay is just as smooth. I can't argue that anymore. There is literally no reason for me to keep paying for Windows subscriptions.
I ran Linux exclusively about 15 years ago, for maybe a year, and loved it. I eventually went back to Windows for many reasons, but if Linux could run all games as well as Windows, and just work the same with everything, I would switch to Linux in a heartbeat.
Linux today can play the vast majority of Windows games these days with Wine/Proton being in a great shape. The only sticking point would be any games that have kernel level anticheats intentionally blocking Linux. If you play any of those few multiplayer games then it's probably best to stick with Windows, but if not then it's a great time to jump back into Linux.
@@smilingbandit6900 KVM/QEMU with GPU pass-through can get past some Kernel anticheats, but a lot of them are able to detect jt's in a VM these days even with advanced spoofing, so you run the risk of getting banned. A VM with GPU pass-through can still be useful for the few games that may not work with Proton/Wine, but I wouldn't count on it to play games with Kernel Anticheat.
have a look at protondb to see how well you can run a game. id say 80% by now run at or above native performance even through wine, and most of the ones that dont use kernel anticheats
maybe there are something wrong in win 11 because I am having better fps in linux with proton than in windows and I have not new hardware (ryzen 3700x+ RX5700 xt) I am thinking in reset win11 to check, maybe go to win10 I don´t know...
Linux background processing is mostly keep simplier and litgher so if you play on older hardware you usually should get higher fps overall not mentioning the fact that linux if you choose either a distro or change yourself can use cpu scheduler like BORE that focuses on interactive processes. Windows does not offer it which is the reasone why optimization on windows sucks for games usually cause os becomes more and more bloatwared than it needs to be even win 10 starts being ram hungry to the point where on my laptop with every update it was needing more than 3gb and i can assume its because they adding telemetry plus making ground for copilot even thou my laptop dont support high npu processing but hey i got a ad after system restart on win 10 and to disable option that took me 10 min to find yes im pouring my anger cause this made install bazzite and my drg works thanks to this not only better but also has 1.5 increased 1% and anti lag effect in every application f windows not worth coming back trust me even my mother said when saw my kde image that it looks modern than mac XD. No regrets, never going back the amount of problem provably same to windows just differently exist. Take care brother rock and boner💀
It seems like AMD put a ton of work into laying the foundations for a good 8-wide core, but left a lot of low hanging fruit where things like ROB, register and cache size are concerned. The problem with wider cores is that they quickly run into diminishing returns. For 33% more width you need a lot more than just 33% of everything else. All the supporting structures need to get bigger and faster at the same time. If AMD continue in this direction with Zen 6, that core is going to be _huge_ .
Valve should really hire software engineers to make some kind of kick ass Linux gaming operating system to kick Windows ass once and for all. Take their proton linux thing as a base and improve it even more and do lots of push on steam for it showing gains compared to windows.
Linux Reviews from this channel and Phoronix Review clearly show a major difference between the 9950X and 7750X, where as tech sites and channels using windows to review the CPU's show the gains to be marginal or even to have regressed in some cases. This sounds like a windows issue more than anything. Windows really sucks.
@@Ronaldo-se3ff Windows has an adminstrator mode and a user mode. There are more layers of security in user mode, and that results in processors posting lower benchmarks. Apparently it affects gaming and single core workloads more than it does productivity/multi core workloads. Linux is basically stripped down server software intended for dedicate professional applications, whereas Windows is a general purpose consumer OS. So, some things might run faster in Linux since there is less overhead, but if you are not skilled in IT issues then it is a more risky OS to use.
@@Tugela60 "linux is stripped down server software" are you being serious? I am literally writing this from a machine running Fedora. The Linux benches are still much faster than the same workloads on windows even with the admin account. It doesn't fully explain the discrepancy.
@Ronaldo-se3ff It is a stripped down OS based on Unix. It is a basic OS to which modules are added, depending on the applicarion it us being used for. Windows is a broad application OS, it performs less well because it is not tailored to individual applications like Unix based systems are. As a general OS Windows has to be able to do everything, that complexity comes at a cost.
Wendell, try out Bazzite instead of Nobara, it is the better distro for gaming with all the stock settings. Immutable, Fedora-based, focused on gaming. HikariKnight is one of the developers (not the main one), he is a bit known for his PCIe-passthrough adventures, he made a script to automate that. In regard to 16C Ryzen-CPU's and gaming on Linux vs Windows, I would love to see a comparison for the 3950X and 5950X for gaming between Windows and Linux. For years AMD got blamed by the tech-influencers, it is a valid question if gaming also suffered on the 16C Ryzen CPU's on Linux or only/mostly on Windows due to Windows having a worse threadscheduling. I lack the hardware to test it but I do know that my 3700X always first fills uses the first 4 cores (and 8 threads) before using the last 4 cores and 8 threads when I start up a game. I suspect that on a 3950X and 5950X on Linux first all the cores on one chiplet get used and only then the cores on the 2nd chiplet.
I wish all these tech channels would focus more on productivity instead of gaming, and running 4 sticks maxed out, instead of 2. Level1 is like the only channel that touches on using 4 sticks. When I bought into Zen4, I was like yeah, I finally want 128gb. I spent decades in 4gb 32bit h377 on AMD X2 3800 platforms. And yeah, I use all 128gb of that RAM. As for 9950x, we were sold a bill of goods that the zen4 platform would be one more cpu at least future proof, and this is the only upgrade we get, which is a non-upgrade from the 7950x. Now, if they come out with a 11050x that doubles the cores, alrighty then... but I don't see it happening. Any bloody platform will run games just fine; what you need all these cores for are video rendering.
@@panjak323 Yep, and a former FPS game developer saying... games really are not that important. You achieve something by creating the game... you really don't achieve much of anything... by playing the game. In fact, here's a secret to win any game: the only way to win it, is to quit it forever, and never come back.
I haven't finished the video yet, but as a Rust 🦀 developer I'd love to see some Rust compilation benchmarks. I'm currently running a 3950X, on socket AM4 and 64GB DDR4, and really like it.
If indeed the Zen 5 is the beginning of performance gains centred on Linux by AMD, then general criticism by Windows-based reviewers of the Zen 5 has become OS-specific.
I have a feeling that Intel provided code to MS for the windows scheduler and surprise, it makes AMD run like crap. It's not the first time that MS has stabbed AMD in the back.
I find it shameful and incompetent that so many reviewers bashed the 9000 series as "a flop" or "not exciting". good you are looking deeper into this process and have more knowledge.
Please update us soon on this. I'd love to see gaming benchmarks where Linux is beating Windows that aren't Valve games, or down to the graphics driver not supporting features that are available on Windows.
Would it be useful for someone to make a PCIe lane splitting chip that can be put on motherboards (for any CPU) or riser cards when the CPU/chipset provides too few lanes . Something like the chips used in USB hubs, but for PCIe lanes . Such a splitting chip would connect to 16x or 20x latest gen PCIe lanes on the CPU side and to 32x or 40x any gen PCIe lanes on the expansion slots side. Point is to efficiently connect multiple 8x or 16x cards such as GPUs, NPUs or HBAs to the plentiful consumer CPUs instead of restricting such jobs to dedicated EPYC or Xeon chip with associated higher price official chipsets and motherboards. Splitter chip would appear to the CPU as a modern PCI bridge chip and would semi-automatically direct card traffic through the most idle CPU side lanes . Because this requires coordination between lane handling and some smart mapping registers, the chip would have a lot of pins but very little silicon, and would basically sit near the edge on a riser board holding the PCIe slot sockets for the increased lane count . Keeping the splitter chip CPU model/brand independent would allow it to be used whenever someone needs the extra slots and lanes in a machine expansion . Gamers could plug in multiple top end nVidia cards to drive a wall of monitors, storage servers could plug in a bunch of SAS HBAs to access many drivers and multiport 10G or faster network cards . AI-fanatics could plug in more NPU accelerator boards per CPU, while cryptobros could plug in multiple mining cards . Another use would be some motherboards putting a lane splitter chip on board to make all the slots 16x, not the crippling 1x slots next to a single 16x slot for one GPU .
@@johndododoe1411 I would have been happy with a simple PCIE switch that would allow for a PCIE ports to be split from 1 x16 slot to 16 x1 slots and so on. If you had a slightly more advanced switch that could share the bandwidth of the x16 slot with 16 x4 slots and so on, it would have been ideal for a homelab nvme storage server.
Better performance (2% up to 5%) on Linux compared to Windows 10/11 goes for years now. No new news for me at least. Some distributions does it better than others. And consistent tests with different Geekbench versions on different Windows and Linux machines confirms that for me. So nothing new even with new CPU's - i am not really surprised to see this coming. This year i have decided to go for Qualcomm laptop. As i won't have time to play many games but still need Windows at work environment, and a full day on battery time is a huge profit now.
Have stayed on Nobara past few months, gaming isn't always better but it's good enough. Does look like the Linux experience is better, so far, likely the scheduler.
YES, this is the PC Build I want. Workstation(Productivity) At first I wanted the AMD AM5 Ryzen 7950X. Server Based/ and DAW User… But I still wanted to do Video Editing up to 1440p… And maybe a decent GPU(maybe?)
Seems MS / AMD just found out, they had some significant performance-issues with Ryzen in Windows 11... release 24H2 speeds up Ryzen (7000 and 9000) significantly in Games suddenly... see Hardware Unboxed / Steve's video from yesterday. I never heard him stating "I tested this several times" so often 😉
I've been running 4x32GB @ 4800MT/s with the 7950x for more than 1.5 years now. No issues to do with memory except the occasional boot which does memory training for some inexplicable reason and takes 10-15 minutes. The only trouble I faced was a -20 undervolt I applied which was rock stable at the start, but started to fail mprime validation after a bios update. Now even a -5 undervolt eventually fails mprime.
My 7950x takes 3-4 minutes to boot with 2x32 sticks (G.SKILL Flare X5 F5-6000J3040G32GX2-FX5). I'm pretty sure it's because that's not on the QVL and that somehow frustrates agesa into thinking it can't store the results from the previous boot/training...
I have been running 2 X 48Gb @6000MT/s 100% stable on my 7950X ASUS Hero mb, just used DOCP 6400 then change memory to 6000 but left timings for 6400 - Its just 100% stable without needing to chase the ultimate timings.
I have 4x16GB @ 6000 on 7900X (X670E). It does a little bit of memory training on every boot. Even with just 2x16 (when I was still tinkering to get 4x working at 6000) it did a little bit of memory training on every boot. Not sure if that would be true at 4800 though, I was pretty focused on getting 6000, and just figuring out how to get that to play nice. But it was never 10-15 min except for that very first boot, just like 30-40s or so.
Better try with Windows 10 as well, because MS is making sure gamers don't want to upgrade. There is core isolation / memory integrity enabled by default on Win11, and recently Hardware Unboxed / Techspot noticed performances have slightly degraded compared to Win10 even when disabling that.
Heck yes for Linux. I still have to use Windows at work on the odd occasion, but my computers no longer have any Windows on them. I might go back to Windows 3.1 or so on a VM or a PC emulator, but that doesn't count. 😁
I believe it was Mike Clark, the "father" of Zen, who said Zen 5 is going to need people to learn to code for it (i assume in reference to Zen 5 using an 8-wide core design?) to unlock its full potential. Definitely going to be buying into this gen late, once that has had time to happen.
Can't wait for a deep dive on this. I'm getting SO CLOSE to being able to ditch Windows. I'm down to 14 games in my Steam catalogue that are being stubborn.
We're seeing this "stagnation" in generational uplift because of the current technology being used. @AnastasiInTech has a great video about the future of semiconductor architecture.
I'd rather buy Zen 5 than Zen 4 purely because they consume less power. That's nice. Less heat always means better longevity and I tend to use computers for a long time. I prefer 9700X. performance/power usage/price ratio is excellent.
Can you tell your speculations what AMD is "paving what incredible things for Zen 6"? Do you know more, or did you see a pattern? It would be an interesting video to watch.
I'm getting ready to make my once a year trip to microcenter. All I need is a CPU for my AM 5 up grade. I'm a Nobara gamer, with all AMD......be real nice to know what the best gaming CPU would be for me, 9700x. or a 7800x3d? That is my question.
9700x is probably going to be faster in most production workloads, 7800x3d will likely be better for gaming workloads or any workload with heavy cache requirements.
As so often, it's more of a gradual change. There will never be a “year of the Linux desktop”, but Linux will simply slowly gain market share over time until it reaches the threshold where developers and publishers can no longer ignore it. However, the ball is already rolling - whether some Windows fanboys like it or not - and Linux is gaining market share faster and faster. For me personally, the “year of the Linux desktop” has already arrived. I'm completely off Windows and couldn't be happier.
@@RyudoFanel Same here. Was staying on windows for Destiny 2, but since that game became garbage, I switched to Fedora 39. Never looked back (on Fed 40 now).
certainly not as great as any single die CPU from the last 10 years. I mean, there's a reason why Skylake/Kabylake and the Zen APUs are recommended for home servers.
I bet under the pile of rocks over Windows Kernel, people will find many tuning for Intel specifically (P/E cores), that maybe hurt or out right don't work besto for AMD multi chiplet design all along.
Would be nice to see benchmarks with software actually compiled with modern features. Most games are probably compiled so they work on old Core2 Duo systems and are missing modern ISA features.
The difference in performance (where Linux is beating Windows in gaming by a few percent) seems to line up with a Windows bug that Steve from Hardware Unboxed mentioned in his video following his latest Ryzen review.
windows scheduler is a joke vol infinite remember when zen 3 came out and ms made almost 10 months to fix it while they had a scheduler up and running for intel's e-cores in a week?
One major thing I have noticed in Linux Wine over Windows is that for previous generations of games, Linux is generally better than Windows. And is only closing the gaps for newer apps with each year. Some newer apps are there already. This is because while Windows 11 many times uses compatibility layers for apps that were supported on previous versions of Windows, Linux Wine being a compatibility layer itself does the same, so as Linux is more lightweight and performant when it needs to serve a process and step back for that very process. It does provide a s smoother experience overall. Plus with Windows if you run an old app, your whole machine feels old ... Linux is a tad different.
Linux scheduler stuff has been really popping off lately, you can actually get noticeably smoother frametimes by switching to a latency-optimizing scheduler. Maybe something for an upcoming video?
Well I'm thinking of upgrading from an i5 8th gen intel. The only question is 7950X or 9950X now. Seeing great results for 9950X, will probably go with that.
Personally I don't think you're meant to remove PBO limits completely, what you're meant to do is find the limit by removing it, and then put in a PPT like 10w lower, this way the system knows the cooler budget before it hits it, the amp limits seem useless, you can probably set TDC to max with zero effect (this feels like pure mother board design constraint) and try limit EDC as much as possible before it hurts performance, you can see turning on PBO actually hurts 1% lows, meaning it's probably throttling harder to prevent overheating creating a net negative effect, and it's going to be more problematic in games or other "spikey" media, code compiling or video encoding it isn't going to matter since clocks and heat will be pretty consistent.
My 7950x3D is so much faster in Arch with KDE even running it from an external 20GBPs USB Type-C enclosure from Delock (42000 product id, chip ASM236X) which is installed on a slower NVME drive to begin with (Adata XPG GamingX s11 Pro 512GB vs the WD SN850X 4TB which is directly connected on the CPU and is the System drive and the Gaming drive), and that's with Windows 11 debloated af and running significantly faster than it did before that (especially regarding responsiveness) yet, i can even tell from the movement of the Orochi V2's mouse that the accuracy level is on a different level in Arch, it feels way more responsive, and wwwaaay more accurate, settings, programs start faster. Games like WoW in Raids keep 80+ FPS and way more consistently (same exact graphics settings) in 25 man raids and i am like...Windows...i have even tried to disable every hidden and possible power feature (including core parking) to see what might be making such a quantifiable difference, and i can't find what's causing this. I can't explain how Windows is so bad at ...being an OS, things just feel, buffered.
I don't really get how now would be the great time to move from AM4 considering the fact that there's barely any real uplift from Zen4 and memory stability still isn't that great. I'm still gonna hold out till Zen 6. Maybe if the new chipset handles memory better than what we have now.
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Linux keeps getting better. Windows keeps getting worse.
The point of convergence is rapidly approaching.
Thinking of daily driving Mint. Love 10. 11 is evil.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 Divergence for me. Left Windows land after 7 in 2019
@@billclay2701 Why is 11 evil?
@@billclay2701Have you tried it before? I have had it for two weeks now and i'm going back to Windows, maybe another distro. You very much still have to do stuff through terminal. And it doesn't come with basic features, like stop charging at x% or or adjusting / in increasing colors, gamma, etc.
It also took me some time to finally get openrgb working.
Living under a rock is indeed fine. It is peaceful down there.
what linux distro you use?
@AbbasDalal1000 Im sure it's not Arch
@AbbasDalal1000
I use linux.
@@xrafter oh great
@@xrafterI think that is the best answer.
pcgameshardware has done a test comparing games on Nobara Linux and Windows 11 with 9700X, and it's kinda hard to believe, but overall Linux is indeed faster.
6% faster in Cyberpunk, 13% faster in RDR2, 9% faster in Horizon Forbidden West, 8% faster in Ghost of Tsushima.
I'm not really surprised, several games run faster under wine or proton than natively in Windows
@@Voyajer. microsoft just want our data they don't give a ish anymore
Linux master race 😎
Was this with Nvidia or AMD GPUs? Because AMD GPUs also tend to perform better in Linux.
I am using Nobara 40 and an AMD GPU (7900 GRE) and I can confirm performance on games like Cyberpunk and Ghost of Tsushima is great, even if I am using a modest i5 12400F.
I guess windows is too busy fighting it's users to optimise things as well, also I've had really good experiences gaming on linux especially with older games using directx8 etc. though I only have one gaming computer so it's a sample of one computer and a few games, might not be better all the time.
Microsoft absolutely hates its users. I don't know why anyone puts up with their trash outside of a work usecase.
Eh, windows has become like arch to configure. Not even joking on that front. Like the setup and modification from stock is getting a little absurd. Plus every update you have to do most of it again. FUN!
Also for the linux game performance, linux with older games flies. I've never seen a case where windows significantly outperforms linux in that scenario. Most of the time linux has higher performance.
Not just older games too, running a 6950xt here and maybe because it's the same gen arch as the steam deck's gpu, gaming on Proton for me is comparable to Windows in frame rate and even surpasses it in consistency when it comes to stuttering.
I've always done dual boots every few years to track the progress of the Linux experience and this last year I've just never returned to windows. It's truly freeing!
Then why Ryzens always worked well after the short birthing period ?? Writing drivers is AMD's job, not Microsoft's
Is Johnny-5 alive?
Jeff, fancy meeting you here! How many days since the last kernel recompile ? 😆
No disassemble
Has been living in our hearts since the 80s bro. He's roomies with KITT.
@@vincei4252 Surprisingly, about 6. Working on a big video for Geerling Engineering, building a 3D printer, and working on a video means I haven't had any new GPU testing going on recently :(
Short circuit ❤
Glad to see Linux being awesome. Building a new one this year, hopefully 9950X
For presenting Zen 5 in the best possible light, one should use CachyOS as distro as it provides Zen 4-repos with compiler tuning for that microarchitecture enabling all the AVX-512 goodness distro-wide.
What a time to be alive.
Are we finally at the inflection point? When linux is good enough, better even in many ways than windows, while simultaneously windows is worse than it has ever been before?
Will 2025 finally be the year that the linux desktop becomes mainstream, as the era of the desktop computer fades?
Atleast for me it will be, Just this morning microsoft reaaally wanted me to "Upgrade" to win 11.
Starting to yearn for a nice and mint OS
Hell yes, brother. The year of the Linux Desktop is coming next year! We've predicted this for years. We can't be wrong.
It's still far fetched for the general public but for the enthusiasts it is a win-win situation.
Doesn't surprised me, AMD on Linux is just a stella experience.
On desktop at least
@@AnEagle I've been running Linux on AMD laptops as well and it has been really great.
@@SirMo the WiFi chipsets are in my experience junk, and often badly supported
@@SirMo I can confirm, my Lenovo ThinkBook Zen2 Ryzen 7 4800 with 48GB RAM works without any issues - after kernel 5.15 it has never crashed, never failed to go to sleep, battery life is 10 hours light work (~4W idle with ~120nits), or 5-7 hours normal work (browsing without adblock, compiling) and ~200nits.
@@AnEagle I've never had issues with wifi chip sets that say Linux supported on the box. Buy supported hardware dude.
When I switched over to Linux earlier this year, gaming was a big reason why. I noticed the games I play were either on par or slightly worse on Linux (with in 1-3%). Overall been super happy with the experience on Linux to the point where if I use a PC with Windows it feels archaic and just worse.
I'll be interested to see how these CPUs benchmark on gaming on Linux, seems promising.
I have some crashing issues but I suspect it may be my ram.
There are some stuff in Linux desktop that I miss a lot on Windows. But most people don't know because they are reluctant to test Linux for more than 5 minutes.
I noticed that even when fps are a bit lower than on Windows the games run super smooth. No hitching, shader stutters or half a second pauses. It's just a much better experience.
No driver installs or fiddling with registry settings either.
@@joe--cool Do all games run well on Linux now?
@@Isaiiahii Saying everything works would be lying. Vulkan games usually run great and often perform better than on Windows. Kernel level anticheat is mostly a non-starter. You can check compatibility on protondb. Most of my games run pretty well to great.
Thank you Wendell. Yeah, Michael Larabel really likes his 9950X. Check the whole test, but last or 2nd last page, he does a average of all render, avg of all database, avg of all transcode, avg of all compression and decompression, and so on ~ and in those averages, the 9950X just wipes the floor with everything! There are some outliers, up and down, but when you look at a wide range of tests and benches, the 9950X just kills it.
Compiler performance is just wonderful! If you're a dev and compiling something like custom linux kernels all the time, or the whole Chromium project or something, you need a 9950X right now! This thing just PLOUGHS through compilation!
Most people should be switching to Linux at this point. The misinformed sniping really needs to stop.
Microsoft has shown they can't be trusted to just make an operating system that focuses on operating system things.
That's been true for over a decade (about microsoft). But windows really is perpetually getting _worse_
The real question, is Linux 'there' yet? In terms of handling broad hardware & software compatibility, directX, etc?
@@kathrynck Yes, it is there. Run it, don't assume.
Nah, linux still sucks in a lot of situations. Like for example I can't run wayland on my nvidia gpu. So I have to x11 a window server from the late 1980s
@@bonnome2 you're just out of date. Wayland runs fine.
People like you take on information too slowly to have a valid opinion.
@@lost-prototype im not slow, you just can't read.
NVIDIA does not support automatic KMS late loading. So you have to change kernel parameters to get it to work with wayland.
I tried that and it still didn't work. This was last week on manjaro kde, with newest kernels and everything.
0:26 I've known this. as your windows system ages, the performance gaps between linux and windows will be more apparent.
So your entire title is about gaming on Linux but when it comes to gaming on Linux basically all you have to say is “I’m not ready to talk about that yet.” Come on Wendell, you’re better than that.
What new do you expect him to say? He's discussed this topic many times. Maybe pay attention?
Pcgamingde found up to 13% Linux over Windows
@@brunogmNono don't over simplify it like that.
He didnt even know the meaning of VID , he only learned to see a VID table with Intels 13th and 14th gen instability 😅😂😅😂😅😂
Can you please do Linux desktop review ..
I really need to add a Johnny-5 to my collection. Wall-E is having problems holding onto CPUs lately.
I really enjoyed seeing your vintage items on the shelf in the background. They really shine a light on just lucky we are (in most ways) to have the technology that we do. I grew up on a rotary phone, B/W television and then getting into color, and the onset of push-tone phones.
So Zen 5 is really good at PS3 emulation
Very valuable information :D
Makes sense, RPCS3 loves AVX512
But... But... some says it's a FLOP for gamers!
@@mondodimotorihow many gamers use rpcs 3 ?? 1/100
@@panjak323 that would be a lot of gamers.
I really appreciate your material is part educational, part review. And I'm noticing the quality of the editing and pacing has been phenomenal lately. I feel like so many reviewers are just being terribly negative as they put bar chart after bar chart on screen nitpicking percentages. I'm tired of it. I want excitement and positivity. I want to enjoy tech.
Linux is defiantly in a golden age of gaming, it's question has shifted from "Does Game X run on Linux?" to "Does Game X not run on Linux?" I'm a Linux desktop user that pay games and haven't booted in to Windows for several years now. Which also begs the question, is Linux going to be the king of PC gaming in the future. With portable x86 gaming devices running Linux to cost savings potential in Cloud Gaming servers there could be a few long term interests influencing AMD to optimize things for running on Linux.
Yeah it's good, but not for old games circa 2001 and up to 2012
@@CarlJohnson234 Actually I have found more success running old games in Linux than I have had in Windows 10 and 11. Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance is an example where it is terribly unstable on Windows and you need to apply community patches to even have some ability to run the game. In Linux I just downloaded it and entered an instruction on the Steam boot options limit the amount of CPU cores being used - no crashing, it just runs fine.
Most of my games are compatible (gold or platinum rating). My problem is the lack of features, like HRR + VRR. My soundcard (SB Z) isn't working out of the box, and even after tweaking is far from its performance on Windows. Also there's no softwre to control it, to switch the audio output of the card I have to use alsamixer. Another problem that there's no hud like Afterburner. Mangohud is far from that because Linux can read only 1/10 of the sensors other (open source) software can on Windows. So much little annoyances but these make me feel Linux isn't there yet.
We’re still running games through a translation layer rather than natively.
@@СусаннаСергеевна& the games will still run faster on the translation layer on Linux vs natively on Windows. MSFT is ruining PC gaming!
I think gaming on linux is gaining really good traction. I'm gaming on linux since 2011 and since valve took interest in wine (proton), it's speeding up very fast. Some game titles already see in the handheld market with the steamdeck running linux better performance then on their windows counterpart handhelds (this does not mean they're overall faster, but especially 1% lows seem to be better on linux. Gamers Nexus did a take on this). But I really think the linux scheduler is better at keeping the process threads of a given program on the same CCD locally so that core parking like in windows is not necessary. This is even with x3d cache only on one CCD. So windows would need to improve on their own scheduler to make multiple CCD CPUs work better there.
Ps. thanks wendell that you're doing this also for the linux community.
7:30 video starts
It would be nice to see some comparisons of compiler performance (e.g. LLVM, like Rust) - everything I've found thus far has been gaming-centric.
See Phoronix article, page 2 (in short: it compiles very fast)
phoronix found a 12% improvement over the previous gen
Linux scheduler improves a lot lately because of things need to address to support Asymmetric cores performance of P/E Cores of Intel and also X3D CCDs parts of AMD.
Now I guess scheduler are work better on Linux than Windows. In windows software (games) need to very optimize for various CPU topology to works well. Or those with P/E cores and X3D Parts/SMT enabled sucks.
I guess right now Linux scheduler better handling this kind of CPU and NUMA, result in higher performance of some games in linux because windows are bad t it.
I’ve been running my 7950x machine with 96gb just like you recommended back when I got it, and it’s never given me one bit of trouble. It lets me play metro exodus with physx on my 3080, while I’m running docker AND serving data to another machine at 400 mbps over WiFi. Like holy crap
Zen 5 EPYC Turin and Zen 5 Threadripper Shimada Peak are going to be LEGENDARY I'm calling it now!
I love it, I have specifically waited for the 9950X to build a server, but still I'm super scared of choosing the right mainboard and RAM. memory instability on AM5 is crazy
This is the year of Linux!
Agreed! Last year I felt Windows 10 for gaming was just too good to give up. Not anymore, lol. Playing Elden Ring on Linux Mint, the game loading screens are way faster than they are on Win 10, and the gameplay is just as smooth. I can't argue that anymore. There is literally no reason for me to keep paying for Windows subscriptions.
To some people it is the year of the Linux desktop for many years already.
No it isn't. If it were Linux would have a much higher market share.
I ran Linux exclusively about 15 years ago, for maybe a year, and loved it. I eventually went back to Windows for many reasons, but if Linux could run all games as well as Windows, and just work the same with everything, I would switch to Linux in a heartbeat.
Linux today can play the vast majority of Windows games these days with Wine/Proton being in a great shape. The only sticking point would be any games that have kernel level anticheats intentionally blocking Linux. If you play any of those few multiplayer games then it's probably best to stick with Windows, but if not then it's a great time to jump back into Linux.
@@theseabass Thanks for the info.
@@theseabass VM is out then?
@@smilingbandit6900 KVM/QEMU with GPU pass-through can get past some Kernel anticheats, but a lot of them are able to detect jt's in a VM these days even with advanced spoofing, so you run the risk of getting banned. A VM with GPU pass-through can still be useful for the few games that may not work with Proton/Wine, but I wouldn't count on it to play games with Kernel Anticheat.
have a look at protondb to see how well you can run a game. id say 80% by now run at or above native performance even through wine, and most of the ones that dont use kernel anticheats
Zen5 being physically smaller chips and slightly better power per calculation may hint at some interesting packages for Threadripper.
Hardware Unboxed channel uploaded a video saying there is a windows bug effecting Ryzen performance.
maybe there are something wrong in win 11 because I am having better fps in linux with proton than in windows and I have not new hardware (ryzen 3700x+ RX5700 xt) I am thinking in reset win11 to check, maybe go to win10 I don´t know...
Linux background processing is mostly keep simplier and litgher so if you play on older hardware you usually should get higher fps overall not mentioning the fact that linux if you choose either a distro or change yourself can use cpu scheduler like BORE that focuses on interactive processes. Windows does not offer it which is the reasone why optimization on windows sucks for games usually cause os becomes more and more bloatwared than it needs to be even win 10 starts being ram hungry to the point where on my laptop with every update it was needing more than 3gb and i can assume its because they adding telemetry plus making ground for copilot even thou my laptop dont support high npu processing but hey i got a ad after system restart on win 10 and to disable option that took me 10 min to find yes im pouring my anger cause this made install bazzite and my drg works thanks to this not only better but also has 1.5 increased 1% and anti lag effect in every application f windows not worth coming back trust me even my mother said when saw my kde image that it looks modern than mac XD. No regrets, never going back the amount of problem provably same to windows just differently exist. Take care brother rock and boner💀
It seems like AMD put a ton of work into laying the foundations for a good 8-wide core, but left a lot of low hanging fruit where things like ROB, register and cache size are concerned. The problem with wider cores is that they quickly run into diminishing returns. For 33% more width you need a lot more than just 33% of everything else. All the supporting structures need to get bigger and faster at the same time. If AMD continue in this direction with Zen 6, that core is going to be _huge_ .
I want a Zen 5 with 24 Cores or a 9950X3D with 3DV Cache on both CCD/CCX's and able to sit at 5.0Ghz all core - That will please everyone !
@@mrtuk4282 especially the 100 Chrome tab-processes
@@mrtuk4282 AMD has said X3D chips will be overclockable this gen. I think we'll get that "truly best of all worlds" chip this gen.
Valve should really hire software engineers to make some kind of kick ass Linux gaming operating system to kick Windows ass once and for all. Take their proton linux thing as a base and improve it even more and do lots of push on steam for it showing gains compared to windows.
Interesting, I have Windows on my workstation only because it's also a gaming machine. Might be time to rethink that.
Linux Reviews from this channel and Phoronix Review clearly show a major difference between the 9950X and 7750X, where as tech sites and channels using windows to review the CPU's show the gains to be marginal or even to have regressed in some cases.
This sounds like a windows issue more than anything. Windows really sucks.
It is not the OS, it is the applications that are different. Consumer type applications see low uplifts from the new processors.
@@Tugela60 even the same workloads on Linux vs Windows are performing much worse on Windows.
@@Ronaldo-se3ff Windows has an adminstrator mode and a user mode. There are more layers of security in user mode, and that results in processors posting lower benchmarks. Apparently it affects gaming and single core workloads more than it does productivity/multi core workloads.
Linux is basically stripped down server software intended for dedicate professional applications, whereas Windows is a general purpose consumer OS. So, some things might run faster in Linux since there is less overhead, but if you are not skilled in IT issues then it is a more risky OS to use.
@@Tugela60 "linux is stripped down server software" are you being serious? I am literally writing this from a machine running Fedora. The Linux benches are still much faster than the same workloads on windows even with the admin account. It doesn't fully explain the discrepancy.
@Ronaldo-se3ff It is a stripped down OS based on Unix. It is a basic OS to which modules are added, depending on the applicarion it us being used for. Windows is a broad application OS, it performs less well because it is not tailored to individual applications like Unix based systems are.
As a general OS Windows has to be able to do everything, that complexity comes at a cost.
Wendell, try out Bazzite instead of Nobara, it is the better distro for gaming with all the stock settings. Immutable, Fedora-based, focused on gaming. HikariKnight is one of the developers (not the main one), he is a bit known for his PCIe-passthrough adventures, he made a script to automate that. In regard to 16C Ryzen-CPU's and gaming on Linux vs Windows, I would love to see a comparison for the 3950X and 5950X for gaming between Windows and Linux. For years AMD got blamed by the tech-influencers, it is a valid question if gaming also suffered on the 16C Ryzen CPU's on Linux or only/mostly on Windows due to Windows having a worse threadscheduling. I lack the hardware to test it but I do know that my 3700X always first fills uses the first 4 cores (and 8 threads) before using the last 4 cores and 8 threads when I start up a game. I suspect that on a 3950X and 5950X on Linux first all the cores on one chiplet get used and only then the cores on the 2nd chiplet.
*See's Johnny 5 immediately gives a like, and wants one*
I wish all these tech channels would focus more on productivity instead of gaming, and running 4 sticks maxed out, instead of 2.
Level1 is like the only channel that touches on using 4 sticks. When I bought into Zen4, I was like yeah, I finally want 128gb. I spent decades in 4gb 32bit h377 on AMD X2 3800 platforms. And yeah, I use all 128gb of that RAM.
As for 9950x, we were sold a bill of goods that the zen4 platform would be one more cpu at least future proof, and this is the only upgrade we get, which is a non-upgrade from the 7950x. Now, if they come out with a 11050x that doubles the cores, alrighty then... but I don't see it happening.
Any bloody platform will run games just fine; what you need all these cores for are video rendering.
Gaming tech channels that review.... Gaming ?
@@panjak323 Yep, and a former FPS game developer saying... games really are not that important. You achieve something by creating the game... you really don't achieve much of anything... by playing the game. In fact, here's a secret to win any game: the only way to win it, is to quit it forever, and never come back.
would be really cool if the next Steam deck iteration can benefit from this
Old boy is watching. 😂
I haven't finished the video yet, but as a Rust 🦀 developer I'd love to see some Rust compilation benchmarks. I'm currently running a 3950X, on socket AM4 and 64GB DDR4, and really like it.
If indeed the Zen 5 is the beginning of performance gains centred on Linux by AMD, then general criticism by Windows-based reviewers of the Zen 5 has become OS-specific.
HOW DID I ONLY NOW, NOTICE Number 5!? 🤦♀️
Excellent 👍
Thank you Wendel so much for doing this review for Linux.
I have a feeling that Intel provided code to MS for the windows scheduler and surprise, it makes AMD run like crap.
It's not the first time that MS has stabbed AMD in the back.
I just discovered you have a Linux channel, Wendell... Liked & subscribed, look forward to more content on the 9000 series later.
I find it shameful and incompetent that so many reviewers bashed the 9000 series as "a flop" or "not exciting".
good you are looking deeper into this process and have more knowledge.
I didn't know this channel exsisted
Please update us soon on this. I'd love to see gaming benchmarks where Linux is beating Windows that aren't Valve games, or down to the graphics driver not supporting features that are available on Windows.
Now we are just missing a workstation chipset and more PCIe lanes on these cpus and they would be ideal for productivity and homelabers
Would it be useful for someone to make a PCIe lane splitting chip that can be put on motherboards (for any CPU) or riser cards when the CPU/chipset provides too few lanes . Something like the chips used in USB hubs, but for PCIe lanes . Such a splitting chip would connect to 16x or 20x latest gen PCIe lanes on the CPU side and to 32x or 40x any gen PCIe lanes on the expansion slots side.
Point is to efficiently connect multiple 8x or 16x cards such as GPUs, NPUs or HBAs to the plentiful consumer CPUs instead of restricting such jobs to dedicated EPYC or Xeon chip with associated higher price official chipsets and motherboards. Splitter chip would appear to the CPU as a modern PCI bridge chip and would semi-automatically direct card traffic through the most idle CPU side lanes .
Because this requires coordination between lane handling and some smart mapping registers, the chip would have a lot of pins but very little silicon, and would basically sit near the edge on a riser board holding the PCIe slot sockets for the increased lane count . Keeping the splitter chip CPU model/brand independent would allow it to be used whenever someone needs the extra slots and lanes in a machine expansion . Gamers could plug in multiple top end nVidia cards to drive a wall of monitors, storage servers could plug in a bunch of SAS HBAs to access many drivers and multiport 10G or faster network cards . AI-fanatics could plug in more NPU accelerator boards per CPU, while cryptobros could plug in multiple mining cards . Another use would be some motherboards putting a lane splitter chip on board to make all the slots 16x, not the crippling 1x slots next to a single 16x slot for one GPU .
@@johndododoe1411 I would have been happy with a simple PCIE switch that would allow for a PCIE ports to be split from 1 x16 slot to 16 x1 slots and so on. If you had a slightly more advanced switch that could share the bandwidth of the x16 slot with 16 x4 slots and so on, it would have been ideal for a homelab nvme storage server.
Definitely, go team! 👏🏼
Better performance (2% up to 5%) on Linux compared to Windows 10/11 goes for years now. No new news for me at least. Some distributions does it better than others. And consistent tests with different Geekbench versions on different Windows and Linux machines confirms that for me. So nothing new even with new CPU's - i am not really surprised to see this coming. This year i have decided to go for Qualcomm laptop. As i won't have time to play many games but still need Windows at work environment, and a full day on battery time is a huge profit now.
Have stayed on Nobara past few months, gaming isn't always better but it's good enough. Does look like the Linux experience is better, so far, likely the scheduler.
Loved the hitchhikers reference 😁
I bought a 9950x based on this review for my Manjaro build.
You should have a talk with the guys from @HardwareUnboxed !
They seem to have found a bug on Windows that decreased (at least) Zen 5 & 4 performance
Yeah, this could be what's confusing everyone
Wendell mentioned that earlier in his review before them
@@XYz-co1ob he did indeed! But Wendell was still trying to figure things out and I'm suggesting they exchange notes or join forces:)
YES, this is the PC Build I want.
Workstation(Productivity)
At first I wanted the AMD AM5 Ryzen 7950X.
Server Based/ and DAW User…
But I still wanted to do Video Editing up to 1440p…
And maybe a decent GPU(maybe?)
Seems MS / AMD just found out, they had some significant performance-issues with Ryzen in Windows 11... release 24H2 speeds up Ryzen (7000 and 9000) significantly in Games suddenly... see Hardware Unboxed / Steve's video from yesterday.
I never heard him stating "I tested this several times" so often 😉
the delivery of 'I lived under a rock as a kid, it's fine.'
:-D
Hi bud. great content
8:27 awesome, not ready to talk about what the video says it's about
Great video
Wonderful video. Any possibilty you might test the AM5 Epyc cpu's vs the 9k series cpu's on an 800 series mb?
I've been running 4x32GB @ 4800MT/s with the 7950x for more than 1.5 years now. No issues to do with memory except the occasional boot which does memory training for some inexplicable reason and takes 10-15 minutes. The only trouble I faced was a -20 undervolt I applied which was rock stable at the start, but started to fail mprime validation after a bios update. Now even a -5 undervolt eventually fails mprime.
My 7950x takes 3-4 minutes to boot with 2x32 sticks (G.SKILL Flare X5 F5-6000J3040G32GX2-FX5). I'm pretty sure it's because that's not on the QVL and that somehow frustrates agesa into thinking it can't store the results from the previous boot/training...
I have been running 2 X 48Gb @6000MT/s 100% stable on my 7950X ASUS Hero mb, just used DOCP 6400 then change memory to 6000 but left timings for 6400 - Its just 100% stable without needing to chase the ultimate timings.
its degraded :)
@@CVLova Explain how my 7950X has degraded since I purchased it 1 week after it was released almost 2 years ago ?
I have 4x16GB @ 6000 on 7900X (X670E). It does a little bit of memory training on every boot. Even with just 2x16 (when I was still tinkering to get 4x working at 6000) it did a little bit of memory training on every boot. Not sure if that would be true at 4800 though, I was pretty focused on getting 6000, and just figuring out how to get that to play nice.
But it was never 10-15 min except for that very first boot, just like 30-40s or so.
Better try with Windows 10 as well, because MS is making sure gamers don't want to upgrade. There is core isolation / memory integrity enabled by default on Win11, and recently Hardware Unboxed / Techspot noticed performances have slightly degraded compared to Win10 even when disabling that.
Heck yes for Linux. I still have to use Windows at work on the odd occasion, but my computers no longer have any Windows on them. I might go back to Windows 3.1 or so on a VM or a PC emulator, but that doesn't count. 😁
I believe it was Mike Clark, the "father" of Zen, who said Zen 5 is going to need people to learn to code for it (i assume in reference to Zen 5 using an 8-wide core design?) to unlock its full potential.
Definitely going to be buying into this gen late, once that has had time to happen.
It just keeps the performance better even I could ever run Linux with this!
Can't wait for a deep dive on this. I'm getting SO CLOSE to being able to ditch Windows. I'm down to 14 games in my Steam catalogue that are being stubborn.
If people have issues with the new Ryzen processors, they should just consider upgrading to Linux instead of blaming it on AMD.
actually this is partially AMDs fault for the dodgy microcode, but otherwise yes i agree
We're seeing this "stagnation" in generational uplift because of the current technology being used. @AnastasiInTech has a great video about the future of semiconductor architecture.
I'd rather buy Zen 5 than Zen 4 purely because they consume less power. That's nice. Less heat always means better longevity and I tend to use computers for a long time. I prefer 9700X. performance/power usage/price ratio is excellent.
Can you tell your speculations what AMD is "paving what incredible things for Zen 6"? Do you know more, or did you see a pattern?
It would be an interesting video to watch.
I'm getting ready to make my once a year trip to microcenter. All I need is a CPU for my AM 5 up grade. I'm a Nobara gamer, with all AMD......be real nice to know what the best gaming CPU would be for me, 9700x. or a 7800x3d? That is my question.
All good. Best Buy got in the 7800x3D. Made them match MicroCenter's price $336.99. Going to play it safe.
9700x is probably going to be faster in most production workloads, 7800x3d will likely be better for gaming workloads or any workload with heavy cache requirements.
I suppose this is something along the lines of "is this the year of the Linux desktop!?"
As so often, it's more of a gradual change. There will never be a “year of the Linux desktop”, but Linux will simply slowly gain market share over time until it reaches the threshold where developers and publishers can no longer ignore it. However, the ball is already rolling - whether some Windows fanboys like it or not - and Linux is gaining market share faster and faster.
For me personally, the “year of the Linux desktop” has already arrived. I'm completely off Windows and couldn't be happier.
Gaming isn't the primary market for Intel or AMD.
They make a ton of money off of server stuff, usually running Linux
@@RyudoFanel Same here. Was staying on windows for Destiny 2, but since that game became garbage, I switched to Fedora 39. Never looked back (on Fed 40 now).
Wendel how does the power consumption look when at idle
certainly not as great as any single die CPU from the last 10 years. I mean, there's a reason why Skylake/Kabylake and the Zen APUs are recommended for home servers.
I bet under the pile of rocks over Windows Kernel, people will find many tuning for Intel specifically (P/E cores), that maybe hurt or out right don't work besto for AMD multi chiplet design all along.
Would be nice to see benchmarks with software actually compiled with modern features. Most games are probably compiled so they work on old Core2 Duo systems and are missing modern ISA features.
Just curious, but does this thing finnaly also support 128gb ram? Without being unstable.
He talked about that on the main channel.
The difference in performance (where Linux is beating Windows in gaming by a few percent) seems to line up with a Windows bug that Steve from Hardware Unboxed mentioned in his video following his latest Ryzen review.
So you're saying that FOSS + AMD just matched and beat big tech?? F'n A Cotton! Linux FTW!
windows scheduler is a joke vol infinite
remember when zen 3 came out and ms made almost 10 months to fix it while they had a scheduler up and running for intel's e-cores in a week?
One major thing I have noticed in Linux Wine over Windows is that for previous generations of games, Linux is generally better than Windows. And is only closing the gaps for newer apps with each year. Some newer apps are there already.
This is because while Windows 11 many times uses compatibility layers for apps that were supported on previous versions of Windows, Linux Wine being a compatibility layer itself does the same, so as Linux is more lightweight and performant when it needs to serve a process and step back for that very process. It does provide a s
smoother experience overall.
Plus with Windows if you run an old app, your whole machine feels old ... Linux is a tad different.
Linux scheduler stuff has been really popping off lately, you can actually get noticeably smoother frametimes by switching to a latency-optimizing scheduler. Maybe something for an upcoming video?
Consider running 'The Riftbreaker' - this beauty is a state-of-the-art, saw Intel CPUs boasting being much faster than AMD running it.
Is there anywhere I can actually buy the server grade motherboard with ipmi and ECC to pair with a 9950X?
asrock barebones 2u1g ipmi b650 works great :D
Hoping for the release of the 9000X3D processors and RDA4 GPUs to finally upgrade my aging Ryzen 5 2600X and RTX 2060 6GB combo!
Well I'm thinking of upgrading from an i5 8th gen intel. The only question is 7950X or 9950X now. Seeing great results for 9950X, will probably go with that.
Will Zen 6 be compatible with x670e motherboard ?
Personally I don't think you're meant to remove PBO limits completely, what you're meant to do is find the limit by removing it, and then put in a PPT like 10w lower, this way the system knows the cooler budget before it hits it, the amp limits seem useless, you can probably set TDC to max with zero effect (this feels like pure mother board design constraint) and try limit EDC as much as possible before it hurts performance, you can see turning on PBO actually hurts 1% lows, meaning it's probably throttling harder to prevent overheating creating a net negative effect, and it's going to be more problematic in games or other "spikey" media, code compiling or video encoding it isn't going to matter since clocks and heat will be pretty consistent.
My 7950x3D is so much faster in Arch with KDE even running it from an external 20GBPs USB Type-C enclosure from Delock (42000 product id, chip ASM236X) which is installed on a slower NVME drive to begin with (Adata XPG GamingX s11 Pro 512GB vs the WD SN850X 4TB which is directly connected on the CPU and is the System drive and the Gaming drive), and that's with Windows 11 debloated af and running significantly faster than it did before that (especially regarding responsiveness) yet, i can even tell from the movement of the Orochi V2's mouse that the accuracy level is on a different level in Arch, it feels way more responsive, and wwwaaay more accurate, settings, programs start faster.
Games like WoW in Raids keep 80+ FPS and way more consistently (same exact graphics settings) in 25 man raids and i am like...Windows...i have even tried to disable every hidden and possible power feature (including core parking) to see what might be making such a quantifiable difference, and i can't find what's causing this.
I can't explain how Windows is so bad at ...being an OS, things just feel, buffered.
I wonder how the Ryzen 4070 performs on Linux.
Got to admit I wasn't expecting the Hitchhiker's reference 😅
Where can I get that server chassis and that AIO?
It's faster when it's not performing surveillance on you.
"In the past 5 years"
What my head says "Yeah, AMD's really grown from Zen 1 and Zen+!"
What reality says: Zen 2 to Zen 3
Until the anomalies become standard it's probably not faster on kinux.
That didn't stop me dumping Windows 10 for Linux Mint though. 🙂👍
I don't really get how now would be the great time to move from AM4 considering the fact that there's barely any real uplift from Zen4 and memory stability still isn't that great. I'm still gonna hold out till Zen 6. Maybe if the new chipset handles memory better than what we have now.
But Mr Dent, the plans were on display in the local planning office for the past nine months.
Hey can you test Hunt Showdown 1896 as Game Benchmark in future?
20% uplift in DevOps workloads? I guess I just found my next upgrade path at work.