To everyone wondering why they changed Suicide's name, the fact is, no one in TNA owned it. The company that made the TNA video game do. By changing the name and slightly changing the costume, TNA no longer has to pay every time he is on TV
Watching this makes me feel justified for never liking Hogan. I wouldn't have minded if Ares went for the title again but I like the fact that they're at least having new people go after it instead of the same ones over and over
TJ: O boy! Now that my identity is revealed, I can now wrestle under my own name and never wear that bodysuit again. Hogan: Yeah, about that brother. We're still putting you in that costume. But you're going to be called Manic now. Keep the skull mask. TJ: But, that's dum- Hogan: JUST DO WHAT I SAY DUDE BEOFE I FIRE YOU BROTHER! *laughs maniacally while bathing in money*
People imagine if this would happen and tell me if it would be awesome or not. This three way match finishes with Chris Sabin winning, a short celebration until lights go out. After they go back on, a figure in a dark cloak stands in the middle of the ring. After some time of looking around, the cloaked figure immediately takes down Sabin with a Suicide Solution. New music starts and the cloak figure removes his hood to reveal a new Suicide, new costume, he points at Manik, then dissapears.
I'd have more respect for you if I didn't have such a good memory. I remember these "good ole days" you keep bringing up. And I remember that everyone hated TNA back then too. Just found different reasons. That's why they keep changing things.
It's funny how guys like us are called Smarks when we speak our mind but when certain wrestlers tell the truth in the exact same fashion, It's considered a constantly talked about Pipebomb.
The writers probably were trying to think of a name for TJ and they took off the letters and then one of them noticed that the design on the front looks like an M and they went, oh, Maniac would be good, but then they realized that Maniac was too generic and they changed it to Manik.
in my personal opinion I think so too! Look at TNA when it was in the Asylum then when it was in the impact zone then to being on the road and tell me that the repackage-ing of the Impact brand didn't make it look more legit! The blue flames, the ring, the re-design, I feel like i'm watching a legit show like Raw! It's not by far perfect but it's made a lot of progress & for whatever reason some older or possibly never where been fans, hate on it because there WWE Loyalist!
Completely different thing, it worked for Mick, the same way it is working for Abyss is because their characters had multiple personality disorder, that was interesting to watch, they were unpredictable. TJ Perkins on the other hand, simply dresses himself under the mask, that is all that is different here, you said TJ is boring, well all that is different is him simply wearing a mask, he is still boring. Except now he makes the gimmick itself look boring.
I actually like the new name Hogan gave him. I think that is better than calling someone Suicide to be honest just doesn't sound well nowadays in this generation if you know what I mean lol and plus his new theme is awesome!! :D Manik needs the X Div title.
No, a true fan is someone who supports the company and points out their flaws. Constantly kissing ass, is not being a fan, its called being an idiot. I have no respect for Hogan whatsoever he's been dragging TNA down ever since he appeared. And when TNA will sink, he will be the first one to jump the ship. A true legend in this company is Sting, he came to this company because he saw potential in the young talent and after so many years, he is still with them, helping them out. Thats a Legend
I don't really watch TNA that much but still a fan, I think Austin arries is going to win , a nuther thing is , is it just me or do they look really small from the camera angles
Zack Ryder merchandise sells because of his overall persona he brings to the ring, the fans took him not because he looked cool, but because he's entertaining. You're pretty much saying kids are too stupid to care about wins and losses that if it's bright and does some cool stuff in the ring that's all that matters.
People here complain way too much smh, it's sad and I never knew Hogan owns TNA now. Not all the time he has a say in things and secondly I like the name change and the theme is way better than the Suicide one.
And the funny thing is that Hogan was not really the reason the six sides went down. Most of the wrestlers complained on how much they hated it. Funny because most of those complaining about not having the six sided ring now were the same that complained about not having the four sided ring then when it was six sided. They can never be happy.
So you remember that too huh? Also they loved TNA in 2009 so much but wasn't that when Russo was the reason they hated TNA back then? Or 2006 when the X Division dominated but they still hated TNA because Jarrett was world champ?
Suicide originally wasn't exactly mean't to be a character for kids though....Not to mention the fact that as AJ has said:In this business there is no place for a hero. Hogan really needs to understand that.
It worked for Kane because everyone knew who he was. With Suicide, nobody knew who he was in the storyline, I mean of course you and I and all the fans knew who was behind The Mask, but in the storyline, nobody knew who he was. Until last week that is, that is why it is such a fail, I mean why change that? People like the character, why reveal his identity, TNA could have easily went around the "Unmasking" option, but nope, too much effort for their writing staff.
Except that the villain never knew who Batman, Spider-Man, Superman were. Same thing here, the only people knew the character's real identity were the audience. The whole mystery-mojo was good for the character himself and the story that would surround him if TNA gave him a chance. But instead, they just bury the character.
I like TNA with Hulk Hogan. For the first time in a long time TNA is getting fun. And to be honest he might have stolen Suicide's gimmick but he "legitimately (kayfabe)" pinned Kenny King.
But they haven't done that with Suicide, changing his name to Manic doesn't mean they're going to do it for marketing purposes, you're just making an assumption. You have no clue what they plan to do down the road. You just took an idea you thought made sense and treated it as if it were fact.
I'm saying that characters appeal to children more than their wrestling ability and wins/losses. I'm not saying kids are too stupid to care about wins or losses, I'm saying that wins and losses don't matter when it comes to merchandise sales. I don't see how you're failing to understand this, you've practically summed up what I've been saying all along in your sentence about Zack Ryder.
Kids don't sit on the internet and complain about people losing matches or getting "buried" (don't think you quite understand what that word means). Why do you think Zack Ryder merchandise is so popular? It's certainly not because he wins matches every week. If they look cool and have appealing merchandise that sells, then kids don't care and in turn, the company doesn't care, as long as they're making money. That is how a business works.
So you're saying this has nothing to do with creative wanting to change something about the character, that it's all about marketing? nothing else. All you've done is make a claim and that's the end of it, you strung along a couple of arguments that make sense, but you have no way to know for sure that's the reason TNA changed the name, I understand trying to appeal to a younger audience, but you're acting like that's the only reason.
Yeah but they aren't like they used to be. Abyss getting thrown into a flaming table. Jeff hardy jumping of the top of the stage set. Suicide doing that. Thumb tacks & glass practically every match. You know, im talking about that type of extreme
If you listened to Terry Wogan oops Hulk Hogan properly he claimed Aries did gimmick infringement and therefore he created a new gimmick so that the infringement didn't stand. It's kinda stupid all the same though.
its sucks to see Hogan growing old like that and still be on TV... someone else take over for him.. he should at least work behind the scenes as a writer or something
A&8's are ok but too many members that arent making any head way in the company... TNA just slashed off about 7 superstars which further shows they are getting into financial trouble... they should hire me bc i (and anyone else) could turn the company around at this point
Why did TNA ruin the Suicide character for no reason? They could have dona it like..."Ehy that's not Suicide, the real one was attacked in the back and it's now in the hospital" or something like that...but no let's just say who's the guy behind the mask and then make him return with the Suicide gimmick with a changed name and pretend that nothing happened
To those who blame Hogan. Hogan is not really in charge. He has to answer to a couple of people. So your blame on Hogan should be elsewhere. I do admit I think his acting his horrible and I am sick of Brooke. But wrestling always has something irritating in it no matter how good it is. This is just a small piece that I can overlook because the rest of TNA is awesome. And as much as I love the X division. To be honest it as a whole does not give good ratings never has.
Who said I think that Iron Man is an interesting character? To me Iron Man is boring as hell. I already told you why, Suicide/Manik used to stand out, we didn't know who was behind the mask, even the announcers said that he was from "Parts Unknown" all that mystery build up completely for nothing. You say that TJ Perkins is uninteresting, well guess what, now we know who Manik is, and he is uninteresting, because TJ Perkins is uninteresting.
You smark. TNA is better then ever. X-division is rising with Sabin, Kenny King and Manik. They got a lot of talents. And please? Knockout division is better then ever - it was one of the best matches ever Gail vs Taryn Terrell. Get lost.
"I don't steal peoples gimmicks, brother!" -AA to Hulk Hogan.
Oh, the irony.
To everyone wondering why they changed Suicide's name, the fact is, no one in TNA owned it. The company that made the TNA video game do. By changing the name and slightly changing the costume, TNA no longer has to pay every time he is on TV
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I'm assuming who ever bought them out, which I think was EA. I could be mistaken on that though. I do know EA now owns the Blitz line.
Back when impact had real fans and sold out crowd
That wasn’t a sell out dude 😂
It's TJ Perkins
Jack
The best thing about that was A Double's reply, 'infringing' on Hogan's gimmick of calling everyone 'brother'.
Alex Shelly said "Screw this, I'm outta here" and went to Japan, where he actually wins matches.
He is TJ Perkins.
1:06 Austin Aries spoke the truth, brother!
But hey he’s still an miserable guy
Watching this makes me feel justified for never liking Hogan. I wouldn't have minded if Ares went for the title again but I like the fact that they're at least having new people go after it instead of the same ones over and over
Funny because Austin Aries vs TJ Perkins just happened on raw 5/1/17
You got two clark darkclouds brother lol had me dying
#ManikIsTheNewCruisetweightChampion ...
omg this is really exciting i have to get your autograph !
AMEN! And i'm getting sick and tired of the ''OH IMA RUIN TNA, BROTHER!''.
one of the worse name changes in tna ever
TJ: O boy! Now that my identity is revealed, I can now wrestle under my own name and never wear that bodysuit again.
Hogan: Yeah, about that brother. We're still putting you in that costume. But you're going to be called Manic now. Keep the skull mask.
TJ: But, that's dum-
Hogan: JUST DO WHAT I SAY DUDE BEOFE I FIRE YOU BROTHER! *laughs maniacally while bathing in money*
The moment you realize that Hogan and Angle had to deal with two Austins in their entire career. XD
Manik is my favourite TNA wrestler of all time.
I miss the octagon.
Look how big that crowd is
Not surprisingly, a lot of the same people work there, and/or are in the power structure behind the scenes.
People imagine if this would happen and tell me if it would be awesome or not.
This three way match finishes with Chris Sabin winning, a short celebration until lights go out. After they go back on, a figure in a dark cloak stands in the middle of the ring. After some time of looking around, the cloaked figure immediately takes down Sabin with a Suicide Solution.
New music starts and the cloak figure removes his hood to reveal a new Suicide, new costume, he points at Manik, then dissapears.
I'd have more respect for you if I didn't have such a good memory. I remember these "good ole days" you keep bringing up. And I remember that everyone hated TNA back then too. Just found different reasons. That's why they keep changing things.
oh my god thats an understatement.
It's funny how guys like us are called Smarks when we speak our mind but when certain wrestlers tell the truth in the exact same fashion, It's considered a constantly talked about Pipebomb.
People talking about TNA's downfall. TNA is better now than it has been for the last 5 years.
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Well said!
Look at the size of that crowd...Brother..
Agreed, its the writing staff to blame, Hogan also along with Dixie Carter, but mostly the Writing Staff.
There's a huge difference. It's like unmasking Batman to the public and it's a huge shock, and then the next day nobody remembers.
so much for roode and aries being on the same page
You know it likely wasn't actually Hogan who came up with the name change right?
Jesus, their creative really made Hogan work hard here 😆
The writers probably were trying to think of a name for TJ and they took off the letters and then one of them noticed that the design on the front looks like an M and they went, oh, Maniac would be good, but then they realized that Maniac was too generic and they changed it to Manik.
Anybody whoever discred it a legend is a smark.
Real fans always respect the legends in this business.
in my personal opinion I think so too! Look at TNA when it was in the Asylum then when it was in the impact zone then to being on the road and tell me that the repackage-ing of the Impact brand didn't make it look more legit! The blue flames, the ring, the re-design, I feel like i'm watching a legit show like Raw! It's not by far perfect but it's made a lot of progress & for whatever reason some older or possibly never where been fans, hate on it because there WWE Loyalist!
Completely different thing, it worked for Mick, the same way it is working for Abyss is because their characters had multiple personality disorder, that was interesting to watch, they were unpredictable.
TJ Perkins on the other hand, simply dresses himself under the mask, that is all that is different here, you said TJ is boring, well all that is different is him simply wearing a mask, he is still boring. Except now he makes the gimmick itself look boring.
I actually like the new name Hogan gave him. I think that is better than calling someone Suicide to be honest just doesn't sound well nowadays in this generation if you know what I mean lol and plus his new theme is awesome!! :D Manik needs the X Div title.
Is suicide manic now
Yes
No, a true fan is someone who supports the company and points out their flaws. Constantly kissing ass, is not being a fan, its called being an idiot. I have no respect for Hogan whatsoever he's been dragging TNA down ever since he appeared. And when TNA will sink, he will be the first one to jump the ship.
A true legend in this company is Sting, he came to this company because he saw potential in the young talent and after so many years, he is still with them, helping them out.
Thats a Legend
I don't really watch TNA that much but still a fan, I think Austin arries is going to win , a nuther thing is , is it just me or do they look really small from the camera angles
That's TJP
they changed the name because of how things went down last week
Zack Ryder merchandise sells because of his overall persona he brings to the ring, the fans took him not because he looked cool, but because he's entertaining. You're pretty much saying kids are too stupid to care about wins and losses that if it's bright and does some cool stuff in the ring that's all that matters.
I thought aries was suicide
Yeah at least use the Alternate costume from the TNA Impact video game. You know the Red and Black one.
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So what was it that Sabin tore again? It's been at least 30 seconds since he last reminded us.
Take a shot everytime hulk says brother
Know what I just realized this was 7 years ago, whatthaheck RUclips!?
People here complain way too much smh, it's sad and I never knew Hogan owns TNA now. Not all the time he has a say in things and secondly I like the name change and the theme is way better than the Suicide one.
I think it was because parents were complaining and I have no idea why,
At least give him the red costume from the game now with his "new" gimmick.
true, i still think it's TJ Perkins since both Kaz and Daniels are getting pushed.
And the funny thing is that Hogan was not really the reason the six sides went down. Most of the wrestlers complained on how much they hated it. Funny because most of those complaining about not having the six sided ring now were the same that complained about not having the four sided ring then when it was six sided. They can never be happy.
So you remember that too huh? Also they loved TNA in 2009 so much but wasn't that when Russo was the reason they hated TNA back then? Or 2006 when the X Division dominated but they still hated TNA because Jarrett was world champ?
brother brother ?495)34 BROTHER
Suicide originally wasn't exactly mean't to be a character for kids though....Not to mention the fact that as AJ has said:In this business there is no place for a hero. Hogan really needs to understand that.
They need a wrestler called crossfire and he comes out to the old crossfire theme
Finally someone who makes sense.
BROTHER!
It worked for Kane because everyone knew who he was. With Suicide, nobody knew who he was in the storyline, I mean of course you and I and all the fans knew who was behind The Mask, but in the storyline, nobody knew who he was.
Until last week that is, that is why it is such a fail, I mean why change that? People like the character, why reveal his identity, TNA could have easily went around the "Unmasking" option, but nope, too much effort for their writing staff.
Jeff with the coocoo sign
so will Sabin's torn ACL's be the new 'broken frickin neck' story that announcers will constantly remind us happened?
WOW my favorite character in wrestling DESTROYED...
Except that the villain never knew who Batman, Spider-Man, Superman were. Same thing here, the only people knew the character's real identity were the audience. The whole mystery-mojo was good for the character himself and the story that would surround him if TNA gave him a chance.
But instead, they just bury the character.
after all this time u change his name ?
Gimmick Infringement ? Kane is sueing Abbys for gimmick infringement
TNA, changing the guys name was dumb, especially when he becomes part of a major storyline. Screw the network.
Why so angry? And no, Hulk is an on-screen talent playing a GM. He isn't actually the GM.
I like TNA with Hulk Hogan. For the first time in a long time TNA is getting fun. And to be honest he might have stolen Suicide's gimmick but he "legitimately (kayfabe)" pinned Kenny King.
TNA is trying to make the X division big,. Just cannot do so
But they haven't done that with Suicide, changing his name to Manic doesn't mean they're going to do it for marketing purposes, you're just making an assumption. You have no clue what they plan to do down the road. You just took an idea you thought made sense and treated it as if it were fact.
WTF?! what was the point of killing Suicide's gimmick, especially since it was again pretty over?
I'm saying that characters appeal to children more than their wrestling ability and wins/losses. I'm not saying kids are too stupid to care about wins or losses, I'm saying that wins and losses don't matter when it comes to merchandise sales. I don't see how you're failing to understand this, you've practically summed up what I've been saying all along in your sentence about Zack Ryder.
On second thought, he looks a little too small to be Kazarian anyway, since I know that he is a tad more muscular than TJ is
When did he win the xdivision. Champion
Kids don't sit on the internet and complain about people losing matches or getting "buried" (don't think you quite understand what that word means). Why do you think Zack Ryder merchandise is so popular? It's certainly not because he wins matches every week. If they look cool and have appealing merchandise that sells, then kids don't care and in turn, the company doesn't care, as long as they're making money. That is how a business works.
If Manik is gonna have an attire, it has to have at least different colors.
A 4 way match would've been better with the 4th person being Kenny king
So you're saying this has nothing to do with creative wanting to change something about the character, that it's all about marketing? nothing else. All you've done is make a claim and that's the end of it, you strung along a couple of arguments that make sense, but you have no way to know for sure that's the reason TNA changed the name, I understand trying to appeal to a younger audience, but you're acting like that's the only reason.
Yeah but they aren't like they used to be. Abyss getting thrown into a flaming table. Jeff hardy jumping of the top of the stage set. Suicide doing that. Thumb tacks & glass practically every match. You know, im talking about that type of extreme
For him to face bully round at bound for glory he has to be the bound for glory series winner. Which I doubt.
Hail Sabin!
Double A is gold as well.
If you listened to Terry Wogan oops Hulk Hogan properly he claimed Aries did gimmick infringement and therefore he created a new gimmick so that the infringement didn't stand.
It's kinda stupid all the same though.
every time Hogan says brother during this everybody take a shot of tequila. Last man standing wins the internet
its sucks to see Hogan growing old like that and still be on TV... someone else take over for him.. he should at least work behind the scenes as a writer or something
So they show who he is,change his name and give generic them music.What the fuck are they doing to Suicide?
A&8's are ok but too many members that arent making any head way in the company... TNA just slashed off about 7 superstars which further shows they are getting into financial trouble... they should hire me bc i (and anyone else) could turn the company around at this point
Why did TNA ruin the Suicide character for no reason? They could have dona it like..."Ehy that's not Suicide, the real one was attacked in the back and it's now in the hospital" or something like that...but no let's just say who's the guy behind the mask and then make him return with the Suicide gimmick with a changed name and pretend that nothing happened
To those who blame Hogan. Hogan is not really in charge. He has to answer to a couple of people. So your blame on Hogan should be elsewhere. I do admit I think his acting his horrible and I am sick of Brooke. But wrestling always has something irritating in it no matter how good it is. This is just a small piece that I can overlook because the rest of TNA is awesome. And as much as I love the X division. To be honest it as a whole does not give good ratings never has.
good video tna
Exactly rumors are rumors and how am i bitching like a smark ? Just because i prefer TNA when it was great over the TNA now ?
Who said I think that Iron Man is an interesting character? To me Iron Man is boring as hell.
I already told you why, Suicide/Manik used to stand out, we didn't know who was behind the mask, even the announcers said that he was from "Parts Unknown" all that mystery build up completely for nothing.
You say that TJ Perkins is uninteresting, well guess what, now we know who Manik is, and he is uninteresting, because TJ Perkins is uninteresting.
Shut up hogan "brother,brother,brother,brother" after everything he says
You smark. TNA is better then ever. X-division is rising with Sabin, Kenny King and Manik. They got a lot of talents. And please? Knockout division is better then ever - it was one of the best matches ever Gail vs Taryn Terrell.
Get lost.
should of named him something that doesn't sound like he came from wwe
If you're gonna cry...lemme know
When Hogan talked I was intrigued. When these dudes got on the mic, it became a snoozefest... They have no stage presence.
Why didn't they just use the name 'TJ Perkins'
If TJ Perkins is already revealed as Suicide...then why not let TJ fight as TJ?