Can I just-? Yesterday, a keto girl (ex vegan by her terms) told me she remembers the ethics she learned, but the TRUE abomination in ethics is the "meat waste" produced by people turning vegan. I wish I was making this 💩 up.
Does she think if too many go vegan they'll keep slaughtering the same amount of animals and just throw the meat away? 🤨🧐🤔 That's the only way that argument would make sense.
@@AnwarAliyambath..are we including cannibalism,short life spans and starvation fast between successive hunting. On the brightest side there was regional fiber if seasons produced wild edible foods.😢😢😢/😊😊😊
Hey Mic, anecdotally, I encourage a friend that was due to have prostate surgery because of cancer to cut out or at least down on animal products and increase plant foods. Long story short he reduced to varying degrees but managed to reduce his PSA levels to a point where his doctors felt surgery was no longer necessary. We could also see his PSA levels rise and fall depending on how much or how little animal product he was consuming. Not conclusive but very interesting, I feel with a stricter diet the cancer could have been cured but as an older person he was happy to just keep it under control. Love your work!
Well the Ornish studies support this quite well but it would be awesome to have more research on people like your friend! I probably should have mentioned Ornish lol.
I wish the research linking animal products to cancer was more widely known and accepted within the medical community. Most doctors won’t even mention diet to a cancer patient, and they often see dietary changes as quackery.
This study was of 120,000 people over 28 years, people who ate the most red meat tended to die younger & to die more often from cardiovascular disease and cancer
Doctors don't check for heart blockages unless they have reason to, e.g. patients with a history of heart attacks and blockages. At best, a dr put a stethoscope on his chest. The first symptom of a heart attack is often death for a reason.
Yeah "zero blockages" could've also been a zero CAC score which doesn't mean zero blockages because of soft plaques and CAC is zero for most people at his age. Can never know for sure. He also professed to being averse to red meat consumption his whole life until recently, who knows.
@@MictheVegan your later sentence is a such a huge factor that it feels like an elephant in the room for every one of the people touting high animal consumption. All these guys have only been doing the keto type diets short term themselves but attributing their current health/cac scores and whatnot to their current diet. I have not seen anyone touting low carb who's genuinely been on it 20 or 30+ years. Have you?
I'm constantly amazed how anyone would think that ANY industrialised product is being made with our wellbeing as a priority. Who was it that said, " The food industry doesn't care about our health and the medical industry doesn't care about our food"
@@wildamerican2771correct. I don’t think any diet is right for everyone. I think people need to try different diets and find the one that they feel best on.
@@myrhev We need to eat the same food our ancestors ate. Our bodies are have evolved for hundreds of thousands of years to eat meat, fruit, and vegetables with intermittent fasting. Is it any wonder our bodies produce the best results when we follow this diet?
@Westcoastrocksduh Dude. The truth is. The majority of this country aint eating vegan. We on same page. The truth is 97 percent of Americans eat meat. Only 3 percent eat vegan. Meat, egg, dairy aint going extinct aight. Last time I checked the meat industry still worth in the trillions. And small time farmers are still being put into tournament and loaded up with debt. So dont worry man yall are doin just fine.
@Westcoastrocksduh Dude. You actin like money is on the vegan side. Thats laughable man. Meat eating youtubers outnumber vegantubers 100/1. Stop actin like meat eating on the decline. Or all the studies comin out in favor of plant eating. Its quite the opposite man. The majority of arable land is dedicated to animal grazing or growing food. For animals. Hey look. At the end of the day. Industry is in favor of meat eating. Egg eating. Dairy eating. They gots the money. And leads to our healthcare industry making alot of money. You on the winning side. Dont feel like you losin. You Winning.
Yeah, I’ve lost a lot of respect for Drew Pinsky after watching this . That’s ok with him I’m sure- he likely gained two meat -eaters with ooor critical thinking skills to replace me
I went carnivore and never felt better. My social anxiety has gotten ALOT better and i have much more energy and require a few hours less sleep than before. I do not like the fact that i have to eat dead animals , because i love animals, but this is how our ancestors ate for millions of years and we evolved to eat meat so we can't really blame ourselves for wanting to eat meat. I do plan in the future to lower my meat consumption or eliminate it altogether and try instead to eat more eggs , raw butter, raa cheese and maybe start including some raw milk again and fruits.
I am vegan, also on the "far right". I watch Jimmy regularly. I do not know where vegan stereotype is coming from cause I've run into liberals and some gays. Not one of these people was vegan. But this does not stop mainstream right pundits from trashing vegans. My guess is that they need to show strength to their constituency by making fun of someone. Vegan are the only minority that won't take them to court, so they let loose.
You're right probably. Interesting though to see someone on the right who is vegan. I honestly don't think I've ever seen one before. I assumed it was because empathy tended to be a core focus for those on the left and less so for those on the right.
Every piece of "meat" you eat was an innocent helpless baby who begged for their mom but were brutally murdered for you to eat. Yes, babies. Look it up.
@@xijinbling2373 First we get rid of animal agriculture, then we improve plant agriculture. As it is, more animals are accidently killed to produce food for the 80 billion farmed animals we kill each year.
@xijinbling2373 what do you think those crops are for? 85% or more of global crops are used to feed livestock, so whatever accidental crop deaths are caused are mostly because of people who eat "meat" - helpless babies who begged and screamed for comfort, to not be brutally murdered.
@@demoskunk You mean the grain that is fed to animals? Why would they fund studies to axe their biggest buyer? You do know that most grain is fed to animals right?
@@isupportthecurrentthing.1514you act like McDonald’s is meat. McDonald’s uses a little bit of meat and a lot of processed junk for every burger they sell.
Plant Chompers interviewed a scientist who explained the food frequency surveys and how accurate they are. We don’t always remember everything we ate a few days ago but we do remember how often we eat various foods.
It's still unreliable because so many different things contribute to a good thing or bad thing happening etc. Scientists isolate 1 thing in lab rats to compare and look for cause and effect. People who are big meat eaters r more likely to also enjoy alcoholic beverages and to have dessert and be overweight BUTT what about meat eaters who avoid sugar and never become overweight and rarely drink. Big difference in who will develop heart disease or cancer and at what age.
Animal ag. and big dairy have very powerful financial interests pushing the meat narrative. Jenny Mitich has a new cholesterol level of 343, and not feeling well? 😂
She keeps repeating videos that she has no energy and is not feeling well but sticking to her plan. The sad truth is the continued denial. I think the LDL was like 230 or 40 something. like that.... SAD@@MictheVegan
It's all about the narrative. Most people are used to being fed and accepting the stories so to speak. Most people believe what they are told , do as they're told and are well trained to hold their tongues. Very few i.e. would. think to raise the bar to practicality over (alleged) authority claims over the objective world.
Yeah man, all these dummies getting fooled by their bodies pretending to feel great and healing all thier problems and losing all that weight and feeling more alert and curing inflammation and digestion issues. If only they knew all these things they were experiencing were LIES and they were actually feeling horrible!
I used to like Jimmy (who tried being an ethical vegan. But like most progressives- it was too hard to live up to his values.) but he’s becoming the type of person that rules his life by his feels and not facts.
Jimmy's just an idiot like the rest of us, and lives are ruled by feels and not facts. However, Jimmy has been known to change his mind based on the evidence.
Yeah, someone is paying him to say meat is ok now. One thing is a given without any study whatsoever, it is not good for the animal you are eating and that’s enough to make me not eat it.
The western world overconsumes everything so it’s hard to single out a single item. Even less in the us were they have 20 ingredients for something that should have 3 or 4.
@@homie3461 it's pretty bad for the animals. They get ripped up from the plows. Die slow deaths from insecticides which btw also lower sperm count in humans. Regenerative cattle farming doesn't used insecticides, land retains moisture better, and the cattle have good lives. When they are killed it's immediate, I'd imagine better than getting ripped apart by a predator. Humans have eaten ruminant animals from our beginnings.
It was really disappointing to hear. Doctor drew also try and dump on randomized control trials, stating that they're only seventy years old and not very irrelevant form of study. I was speechless when I heard him say that
Great research and commentary as always, Mic! Interesting you mentioning Dr. Drew's past battle with prostate cancer over a decade ago. If I'm not mistaken, I believe he's also been quite vocal, more recently, about battling diverticulitis in the past 2 to 3 years. So, it sounds to me like maybe him taking an even closer look at some of his dietary beliefs might be very much what is needed by him in order to improve his own personal state of health. With that said though, I wish him all the best of luck.
I was watching Jimmy's live podcast on this topic a few days ago and made some negative statements in the comment section as to the truthfulness of his analysis. As a rule, he is an excellent political analyst and has made many correct calls that counter the narrative of the governmental oligarchy but I couldn't even finish watching this nonsense. Jimmy will also typically have well respected authorities on his show to back up much of what he says but-- Dr. Drew? Stick to what you know Jimmy and thank you Mic for this excellent critique.
Agree to a large extent. I was subbed to Jimmy until his meat pushing video dropped and my comment challenging this video was removed. Did his team remove it? I don't know but I can't recall any of my other comments on dozens of his other videos were ever removed.
The conspiratorial mindset seems to be more common amongst those that think animal products are terrific for us while believing that major institutional research gets things wrong about fats and cholesterol.
I got bamboozled by a similar character back around 2010, Tom Naughton, with his "debunk" of Super Size Me, called Fat Head. It sent me down the "Ancel Keys ruined everything, carbs are the enemy" narrative that fortunately I grew out of by the end of the decade.
regardless of ethics, how could eating something that is almost EXACTLY identical to your own tissue possibly be bad for you? It is made up of EXACTLY those building blocks in EXACTLY those ratios that most of our cells/metabolism require, because animals like mammals have almost the exact same genetic makeup...
Neu5Gc is naturally found on cell surfaces in most mammals but not in humans. It gets incorporated into human cells by eating meats, organs and some dairy products. Previous studies have shown when Neu5Gc is incorporated into human tissues, the immune system recognizes it as a foreign threat, producing antibodies to counter it. Repeated consumption of these meats then causes chronic inflammation, which has been known to increase risks of tumor formation. Neu5Gc has been linked to cancer as well as cardiovascular and other inflammatory diseases, including some bacterial infections.
I have been researching both vegan and carnivore diets in recent months and have come to the conclusion that both can work depending on the person. It’s the elimination of sugar and junk foods that convey most of the benefits. I thought I would share one of my observations though from watching hundreds of videos from both communities: The carnivore community videos tend to have hundreds if not thousands of people sharing their experiences on carnivore which are 99.99% very positive. It’s often difficult to find even a single example where some had a bad experience on it. I would say at least 90% say it cleared up an array of illnesses and people feel amazing on it. These comments rarely mention vegans or a vegan style of eating. It is rare to find a case of someone who ate carnivore and switched to vegan and said they feel better or that it was the best thing they ever did. The vegan community is littered with people castigating meat eaters and dismissing carnivore, often with a smug or hateful attitude. I understand that many people have an idealogical aversion to killing animals. It is quite common to find people who were ill on vegan and cured themselves when they switched to carnivore. Of course there are a majority that also feel great on vegan too. I notice that it is overwhelmingly the Vegan community that spreads FUD. It is then those same “experts” that seek to sell you you on all kinds of potions, supplements and procedures. My spidey senses are tingling. In my life experience when someone hits me with FUD and then offers a solution which I need to pay for it is usually BS. Let me give you one of hundreds of examples of this. I watched a carni video talking about SIBO, they said the vast majority of people see improvement within 2 weeks of a meat based, zero card diet. They tried to see me nothing. Then I saw the vegan community discussing this. They said it needed to be analyzed via a stool sample and then promoted a $250 stool analysis service. I see this pattern again and again and again. Like I said, I think both diets have their benefits but do your research folks and question those spreading FUD and selling you stuff as a supposed panacea.
It’s says so much about our species that humanity still can’t grasp the ethical violation of eating animals. All this time and energy squandered on digging for ways to justify taste pleasure.
That someone still hasn't realised how other animals are feeling beings just like ourselves is just baffling to me. Obviously many animals have better sensory perception than we do, in a variety of ways. But I guess that's not obvious to everyone.
You said it! The arguments back and forth about: is it healthy, is it not healthy. These could go on forever. What usually doesn't get mentioned and the 'elephant in the room' is the fact that animals are born to suffer, intensely, and in horrific conditions 24/7! And, the fact is we don't need meat to survive. It seems pretty clear that many, maybe most people, don't have any sense of ethics or real concern about the lives and suffering of other animals.
Nah hes a dumb dumb when it comes to that too. Extremely counterproductive for the left in America to the point of him basically only being a tool for Republicans.@@Rjaksa
@@shanghaiffggtythats because there are inly few vegans period. But funnily enough, even though their nimbers are small, they are still up there in the top tiers.goes to show.
@thabonape5247 BREAKING NEWS: supplement industry is worth billions $. Vegans make up but a fraction of the market. Dear meat eaters are consuming the majority of the supplement products.
@@dcn1651 So what about that guy, who ate nothing but potatoes for a year? According to your theory, he should have died, but he lived and all his health markers improved.
@@barbaraibiel There's also a fat guy named Angus Barbieri who ate NOTHING for over a year and his health markers improved he would have been better off doing that. They were both subsisting off of animal fat, off their own bodies in this case. Fat people don't need to eat.
@@Vonnie-i8bDisproving American propaganda on what? Can you be specific? “Don’t trust mainstream media”, buzz phrase territory, that can mean anything from “keep an open mind” it can also mean “mind closed to evidence, experts and real data, accept everything is political, tune into rabbit holes on everything”.
I genuinely like your intentions... however, the studies on red meat are either weak epidemiology (which are general food questionnaires with healthy user bias, guesswork etc) which usually list relative and not absolute 'risk' or are industry funded. Here's a question for you, if meat is so bad, in your opinion if an average person ate meat only every day, how long would that person live?
I’m staggered by how many people are going carnivore, and Drs telling us that eggs and butter are good for you and plants are trying to kill you and are carcinogenic 🥴🤪
I’m not carnivore but butter and eggs are good for you especially eggs and plant maybe aren’t trying to kill you but are trying to defend themselves, but is that much different?
@@perijon00 What is good about butter and eggs? What health benefits do they have? What diseases do they prevent? Yes, plants are defending themselves from radiation from the sun, and the same chemicals can defend our bodies from genetic damage.
@@barbaraibiel seriously, they are one of the highest foods in all vitamins and minerals, esp A, B6&12, D, choline, some of the best protein, they are easily digested and have no toxins or pollution. That’s what we need to be strong and healthy, vitamins. Not fiber and phytonutrients. The body is healthy when it’s properly nourished so yea they prevent disease by giving you everything you need
@@perijon00 Too much of something is not good either, like vitamin A, which is toxic in high doses. Too much protein is also not good. Also read the study: Choline intake and risk of lethal prostate cancer. Toxins and pollutants accumulate in meat, and you can't wash them off. Fiber and phytonutrients are necessary for optimum health. The body is properly nourished on plants, and plants prevent diseases.
I'm a big fan of Jimmy Dore. However, when it comes to his take on meat and a vegan diet. Jimmy misses the mark. Your comment Jimmy 's video great. I'm also a big fan of yours! Good worok!
I don’t get it, the animals the carnivores are eating build their bodies by eating plants. By passing the middleman is good for us and and not to mention good for the animals. Carnivores also might consider acrilimides (spelling?)
Thanks for the great video, love your work!! Looking forward to your new Ebook!!! Did you notice that the episode with Dr. Neal Barnard at The Diary of a CEO was removed? I don't know why. I hadn't watched it yet. If anyone know where to find it, would be nice to know.
Last time I checked the episode was still available to listen to on podcast platforms. Fortunately I saw the YT version, and it was fantastic. But wow, the meat and dairy trolls were out en masse and the number of negative comments was just crazy. I'm not a watcher of the Diary of a CEO channel but at the beginning of the episode the host was begging people to subscribe, so my guess is that fans of the show threatened to unsubscribe and the episode disappeared. Dr. Barnard was an amazing guest, although the host was definitely biased and quite a jerk.
Dr. Drew always creeped me out when he was in that show with Adam Carolla Loveline. His medical advice was dubious I thought. Then he went on to become the psychiatric "expert" for several Rehab reality shows. I found him once again to be slinging psych advice that was maybe okay for the addicts but then he went to say stuff about other psychiatric conditions that were iffy. He's not a psychiatrist. So am I surprised that he's now slinging dubious claims on red meat consumption? Not at all. My anecdotal evidence is that since my stroke and takotsubo syndrome episode my cardiologist advised me to stay WFPB for life. Since my last cholesterol test yielded a total score of 89 I can only assume that is keeping my stroke free and coronary arteries clean.
Been watching Jimmy for years. Been vegan for longer. He was actually flirting with vegan for a while but then found an “anti establishment” angle from which to champion meat eating so he’s running with that. He needed a takedown here. Thanks Mike and keep up the good work.
I'm a fan of jimmy dore but I wouldn't take dietary advice from him or rogan! I like their content on other subjects but not on what to eat! jimmy has been influenced by rogan! he really should listen instead to Brand! I really liked this response mic!
@@abdvs325 In the interrim, I resulted to Dore....... but yes, I can attest that on numerous other channels over the past few months, lots of people's comments are being deleted. 😔
That’s funny I’m a big Jimmy Dore fan and I never saw this video. But a couple years ago I know I read that French study that was huge. I think it was couple hundred thousand people that track peoples diets in cancer and heart disease and yeah it’s beyond question that red meat is related to some bad health outcomes I wish I could remember the name of that. I’ve mentioned it several times but it’s pretty thorough.
The problem with food studies is that there is no strict control to fairly evaluate any one particular food. For example, if someone eats butter but also smokes and eats donuts how do you what each contributed?
Yes it's a big problem. Red meat consumption for example highly correlates with high saturated fat and trans fat and sugar and deep fried foods or in other words a burger meal. I have recently decided I will try to cut down on saturated fats so now I actually haven't reduced my red meat but my red meat of choice is kangaroo and usually boiled so very low fat. I am very curious about the confounding factors.
I am a big fan of Jimmy and he gets it right so often. But he blew it on this topic. And Dr. Drew is a shill! He sometimes has very interesting, controversial guests but he is almost insufferable. Thanks for responding to this video!
Seriously, I was a fan years ago, I even have a shirt of his. Absolute crazy person grifter and I never use that over used word. He's definition of the word. He used to 'joke' about how he'd sell out...he wasn't joking.
@@mellonlord4616I don’t hero worship Jimmy or anything. And if he turns out to be as corrupt as our mainstream media, I’ll move on. But, so far, he isn’t even close! 🤷
I watch Jimmy Dore pretty often. He seems to try to present a narrative different than the mainstream media, and i think that is good for foreign affairs and US politics. But I think on this topic, and on environmental issues in general, it doesn't work very well at getting to the truth.
It is amazing how attacked y'all are by others uploading a video to discuss this. You're acting like they came into your space and trashed your plant diets. If you really were secure in your choices you wouldn't be like this.
It’s bizzarre how many people claim the research is just funded by the grain/sugar industry, when in reality it’s the meat/dairy/egg industries that are most aggressive on that.
1:30 i wonder do people know what an orthopaedic surgeon is? It’s a specialisation not anything related to nutrition. Why are they taking anti science advice on a specialisation from another unrelated specialisation.
@@Richard.Atkinson I guess someone with no quals could be right or wrong - consistent science research results is good to go by - sometimes plain logical deduction omits possibilities. Certainly the good looking charismatic people giving advice on the net are probably not the ones to take info from without further investigation or backing - yet many do without question. If people are claiming their qualifications as back up instead of studies, the quals should at least be related. And even then really it still should be backed with research and data Online, many Drs are seen by some as authorities on a matters without the need to back up claims and it is interesting that sometimes they are also Drs in unrelated fields.
I am an oncology nurse specializing in radiation treatment. It is alarming that the cases of colorectal cancers has increased at an alarming rate not to mention the age as well. Recently my youngest colorectal cancer is only 23 years and breast cancer the youngest is 24 and that is recurrence as well. One thing they all ahve in common is the carnivore diet if only I could tell them that it was their heavy meat consumption I would but as a medical professional we are gagged from any dietary advice. One recent prostate cancer patient was told he can eat whatever he can and I felt so worried about it. I would like to talk to the guy but Doctors words are gold no matter how bad it can be.
Nah. I am surprised he is for meat actually ... 95% of what he says is spot on. But he never offers help or solutions. That's the biggest issue with him.
Well done Mic. Thank you for doing this video. I was watching Jimmy Dore's livestream when this Dr. Drew was on, I had to shut it off. I like Jimmy, , however he is easily duped.
I have a friend who has been doing Keto/Paleo for quite a few years and her Cholesterol was over 400. She still hasn't changed her diet because she truly believes it won't hurt her. People will eat what they want, believe what they want and die how they want. I will always be here for her should she desire a change though!
I follow Jimmy Dore. Love him but to have this Dr Drew as a guess just piss me off. The biggest jab pusher is an expert on this subject. Had to comment and said you really need to do more research and have Dr Neal Bernard on and Dr Gregor. Then you can decide
Great response Mike. Red meat? More like Darth Steaker, menacing our arteries with the dark side of cholesterol. Ditch the dark side of Darth Steaker and his cholesterol-fueled reign of terror. Grab your light saber (made of celery, naturally) and join the legume rebellion! We've got chickpeas, lentils, and the moral high ground (because, let's face it, saving cows and the planet is pretty heroic). Remember Neo dodging bullets in The Matrix? That's basically you ignoring the link between red meat and increased mortality. It's like choosing the red meat pill, leading you down a path paved with clogged arteries and potential health setbacks. The red meat myth perpetuated by "internet doctors" who look more like they got their medical degree from Dr. Google than a real university. These characters are like the Kardashians of nutrition - all hype and no substance, with research as reliable as a fortune cookie written by a malfunctioning printer. They might sound fancy with their "Dr. Steakenstein" and "Dr. Butterfingers" titles, but their claims are about as credible as a unicorn winning the Tour de France. But let's be real, blaming carbs for your health woes is like blaming the sun for a sunburn. Complex carbs are the Robin to your Batman, providing energy, fiber, and a gut party that would make even the grumpiest digestive system do the happy dance. I'm not sure what's more concerning: the fear of carbs or the lack of awareness about the rainforest-destroying consequences of certain dietary choices.
The problem with your post is that it doesn’t reflect reality. I eat a carnivore diet and my blood work is impeccable. When I go close to zero carb I feel and perform much better than when I am not in ketosis.
"Theyre acting like dogs." Man i remember having that epiphany when i was at an elephant sactuary in Thailand and they were jumping around just like that under a waterfall. Then later that year exact same thing with a little baby moose in grand tetons. Same way little kids just run for the feeling of running. Both experiences felt very unifying
Jimmy Dore loves to talk about stuff he knows nothing about. For example, he weighed in against the COVID-19 vaccines and recommended ivermectin as a treatment despite no compelling evidence that it works. As your clip of his earlier compassion for cows demonstrates, he has changed over time. In the beginning, he didn't promote quackery like he does now. I never took him that seriously, but I used to enjoy watching his show. Now I find him insufferable. He's obviously tailoring his views to attract a new and much larger audience of angry conspiracy buffs.
Ivermectin for Lyme disease for the parasite ,say babesia, which may tag along with the burgdorferi borrelia bacteria and hydroxy chloroquine used by the military on malaria Mondays, 500 mg in Iraq and other places
Wow watching two highly esteemed nutritional experts discussing the benefits of red meat consumption. What a life changing experience. Who the f&@k is this Jimmy Dore anyway?? Is it OK if I say I never heard of this character.
My sister was a nurse and health nut. She was vegan for a few years and was always getting me to try vegan dishes and would tell me how good it tasted. It always tasted like straight garbage. I could care less if meat is bad for my health, it’s delicious.
I usually agree with Jimmy but he has the red meat thing wrong. The good thing is he keeps an open mind. I bet he would have you on his show, Mic. Contact him.
Can I just-?
Yesterday, a keto girl (ex vegan by her terms) told me she remembers the ethics she learned, but the TRUE abomination in ethics is the "meat waste" produced by people turning vegan. I wish I was making this 💩 up.
The copium is strong with this one...
Does she think if too many go vegan they'll keep slaughtering the same amount of animals and just throw the meat away? 🤨🧐🤔
That's the only way that argument would make sense.
The general level of cluelessness these days is frightening. And this ignorance combined with apathy and indifference is dangerous.
Honestly.
Meat is most ethical food. Also optimal human food since man set foot on earth
@@AnwarAliyambath..are we including cannibalism,short life spans and starvation fast between successive hunting. On the brightest side there was regional fiber if seasons produced wild edible foods.😢😢😢/😊😊😊
Hey Mic, anecdotally, I encourage a friend that was due to have prostate surgery because of cancer to cut out or at least down on animal products and increase plant foods. Long story short he reduced to varying degrees but managed to reduce his PSA levels to a point where his doctors felt surgery was no longer necessary.
We could also see his PSA levels rise and fall depending on how much or how little animal product he was consuming. Not conclusive but very interesting, I feel with a stricter diet the cancer could have been cured but as an older person he was happy to just keep it under control.
Love your work!
Well the Ornish studies support this quite well but it would be awesome to have more research on people like your friend! I probably should have mentioned Ornish lol.
Dr. Brooke Goldner is helping people cure disease with her mostly-raw vegan protocol. She is publishing case studies in a medical journal soon.
I wish the research linking animal products to cancer was more widely known and accepted within the medical community. Most doctors won’t even mention diet to a cancer patient, and they often see dietary changes as quackery.
This study was of 120,000 people over 28 years, people who ate the most red meat tended to die younger & to die more often from cardiovascular disease and cancer
Doctors don't check for heart blockages unless they have reason to, e.g. patients with a history of heart attacks and blockages. At best, a dr put a stethoscope on his chest. The first symptom of a heart attack is often death for a reason.
Yeah "zero blockages" could've also been a zero CAC score which doesn't mean zero blockages because of soft plaques and CAC is zero for most people at his age. Can never know for sure. He also professed to being averse to red meat consumption his whole life until recently, who knows.
@@MictheVegan your later sentence is a such a huge factor that it feels like an elephant in the room for every one of the people touting high animal consumption. All these guys have only been doing the keto type diets short term themselves but attributing their current health/cac scores and whatnot to their current diet. I have not seen anyone touting low carb who's genuinely been on it 20 or 30+ years. Have you?
@@nickyoung798 There are some interviews with such people. Are they lying? who knows...
I'm constantly amazed how anyone would think that ANY industrialised product is being made with our wellbeing as a priority.
Who was it that said, " The food industry doesn't care about our health and the medical industry doesn't care about our food"
You said is so beautifully
Grass fed beef is not industrialized lol
@@wildamerican2771correct. I don’t think any diet is right for everyone. I think people need to try different diets and find the one that they feel best on.
@@myrhev We need to eat the same food our ancestors ate. Our bodies are have evolved for hundreds of thousands of years to eat meat, fruit, and vegetables with intermittent fasting. Is it any wonder our bodies produce the best results when we follow this diet?
Murdering animals so you can eat their rotting flesh is not a "diet"
I didn’t know that these guys were experts on nutrition! Wow! As Dr. McDougall says, people love hearing good news about their bad habits.
Brilliant response! Bravo, Mike!
Thanks for the rebuttal of the Jimmy Dore show.. I saw that show and asked in the comments what his apo-b was but never got a response.
I haven't seen that, what was his level?
Its very bad for factory farm animals
but tractors producing vegetables are bad for the climate !! what's left-you can eat zeee bugs--tool
"Dr. Drew on his show is sponsored by Paleo Valley and their beef sticks."😂 Conflict of interest.
@Westcoastrocksduh Dude. The truth is. The majority of this country aint eating vegan. We on same page. The truth is 97 percent of Americans eat meat. Only 3 percent eat vegan. Meat, egg, dairy aint going extinct aight. Last time I checked the meat industry still worth in the trillions. And small time farmers are still being put into tournament and loaded up with debt. So dont worry man yall are doin just fine.
@Westcoastrocksduh Dude. You actin like money is on the vegan side. Thats laughable man. Meat eating youtubers outnumber vegantubers 100/1. Stop actin like meat eating on the decline. Or all the studies comin out in favor of plant eating. Its quite the opposite man. The majority of arable land is dedicated to animal grazing or growing food. For animals. Hey look. At the end of the day. Industry is in favor of meat eating. Egg eating. Dairy eating. They gots the money. And leads to our healthcare industry making alot of money. You on the winning side. Dont feel like you losin. You Winning.
@Westcoastrocksduhdon't expect someone whos best response is changing the subject to have an actual discussion
@@atomicyang6702 vegan studies paid for by Big Pharma... no conflict there...
Yeah, I’ve lost a lot of respect for Drew Pinsky after watching this . That’s ok with him I’m sure- he likely gained two meat -eaters with ooor critical thinking skills to replace me
@jimmydore it is important that you release a retraction for stating that red meat is not bad for you.
Mike much thanks to you for debunking the bunk.
You are a true gem 💎
Vegan for the animals
🌱 ❤️ 💪
In Jimmy Dores' defense, he has done some amazing work in many other areas. This was just not one of his finest moments......
I went carnivore and never felt better. My social anxiety has gotten ALOT better and i have much more energy and require a few hours less sleep than before. I do not like the fact that i have to eat dead animals , because i love animals, but this is how our ancestors ate for millions of years and we evolved to eat meat so we can't really blame ourselves for wanting to eat meat. I do plan in the future to lower my meat consumption or eliminate it altogether and try instead to eat more eggs , raw butter, raa cheese and maybe start including some raw milk again and fruits.
I am vegan, also on the "far right". I watch Jimmy regularly. I do not know where vegan stereotype is coming from cause I've run into liberals and some gays. Not one of these people was vegan. But this does not stop mainstream right pundits from trashing vegans. My guess is that they need to show strength to their constituency by making fun of someone. Vegan are the only minority that won't take them to court, so they let loose.
You're right probably. Interesting though to see someone on the right who is vegan. I honestly don't think I've ever seen one before. I assumed it was because empathy tended to be a core focus for those on the left and less so for those on the right.
Every piece of "meat" you eat was an innocent helpless baby who begged for their mom but were brutally murdered for you to eat. Yes, babies. Look it up.
Thousands of animals are killed by tractor, when tilling, planting, and harvesting plants and vegetables.
@@xijinbling2373 Thousands of insects maybe , but if you eat meat , you'll be responsible for about 10x the insect bi kill as animals also eat crops.
@@xijinbling2373 First we get rid of animal agriculture, then we improve plant agriculture. As it is, more animals are accidently killed to produce food for the 80 billion farmed animals we kill each year.
@xijinbling2373 what do you think those crops are for? 85% or more of global crops are used to feed livestock, so whatever accidental crop deaths are caused are mostly because of people who eat "meat" - helpless babies who begged and screamed for comfort, to not be brutally murdered.
Damn Big Broccoli for funding those anti-meat research studies! /s
Big grain and big sugar. Basically, big processed "food", that is 80% of every super market
@demoskunk Animal agriculture is a much larger industry.
People spend more money on Mc Donald's than any other form of entertainment.
@@demoskunk You mean the grain that is fed to animals? Why would they fund studies to axe their biggest buyer? You do know that most grain is fed to animals right?
@@isupportthecurrentthing.1514you act like McDonald’s is meat. McDonald’s uses a little bit of meat and a lot of processed junk for every burger they sell.
@@myrhev A McDonald's cheese burger is 300 kcal . 40 kcal of that is the bun , so it's mostly animal products.
Woah! I was not expecting this cross-over. 😅
Plant Chompers interviewed a scientist who explained the food frequency surveys and how accurate they are. We don’t always remember everything we ate a few days ago but we do remember how often we eat various foods.
It's still unreliable because so many different things contribute to a good thing or bad thing happening etc. Scientists isolate 1 thing in lab rats to compare and look for cause and effect. People who are big meat eaters r more likely to also enjoy alcoholic beverages and to have dessert and be overweight BUTT what about meat eaters who avoid sugar and never become overweight and rarely drink. Big difference in who will develop heart disease or cancer and at what age.
@@jackschitt6235 all of those things are always adjusted for
Oh my, these idiots hurt my head, lol.
Usually they are pretty intelligent (except for the doctor), unless they start talking about meat. Then they become total idiots.
Animal ag. and big dairy have very powerful financial interests pushing the meat narrative. Jenny Mitich has a new cholesterol level of 343, and not feeling well? 😂
Dang, up from 262. Oh my, poor Jenny. Maybe someday she will see it.
She keeps repeating videos that she has no energy and is not feeling well but sticking to her plan. The sad truth is the continued denial. I think the LDL was like 230 or 40 something. like that.... SAD@@MictheVegan
I took a peek at her channel. The comments....😅
The followers are not as smart as the leader. 😂 @@lynnritchie231
LDL isn’t cholesterol.
Nice video Mic well done.🌱🌠🍀
Sad Jimmy Dore is the greatest for most things. Problem is it is very easy to get tricked by the food industry.
Jimmy Dore is a nut job. He blatantly, openly just says whatever will build his audience and bank out.
Yes jimmy dropped the ball here. And pinsky even worse.
Jimmy lost his mind sometime around Covid hitting the US. He became so cringe it was hard to watch. And I was a huge fan.
@@victoriabrawlless4018agreed
@@victoriabrawlless4018 Yes, now he seems to think everything is a conspiracy.
Thank you for doing all that work ❤
Imagine the conversations if we had the Internet way back when they started telling us smoking was bad......
All these people can easily be fooled. Thats the sad part. Sell outs
Yes, but I watch this show, and they are not fooled about other issues. That is why this video was such a shock to me.
It's all about the narrative. Most people are used to being fed and accepting the stories so to speak. Most people believe what they are told , do as they're told and are well trained to hold their tongues. Very few i.e. would. think to raise the bar to practicality over (alleged) authority claims over the objective world.
Yeah man, all these dummies getting fooled by their bodies pretending to feel great and healing all thier problems and losing all that weight and feeling more alert and curing inflammation and digestion issues. If only they knew all these things they were experiencing were LIES and they were actually feeling horrible!
I used to like Jimmy (who tried being an ethical vegan. But like most progressives- it was too hard to live up to his values.) but he’s becoming the type of person that rules his life by his feels and not facts.
Jimmy's just an idiot like the rest of us, and lives are ruled by feels and not facts.
However, Jimmy has been known to change his mind based on the evidence.
Right! It's sad, you can't take a person like that seriously anymore when they come up with shows like that.
@@Heidi_137 He's not perfect for sure but he does a lot of good stuff as well.
Yeah, someone is paying him to say meat is ok now. One thing is a given without any study whatsoever, it is not good for the animal you are eating and that’s enough to make me not eat it.
My grandmother cooked with lard and ate red meat every day. She lived to 99 !
That’s because meat and animal fat are extremely good for you.
People cite studies where the red meat ate by the participants is McDonalds 😂😂 @@shanghaiffgg
More people had more common sense way back then.
We're literally living in the result of the overconsumtion of animal parts. The Omnis are NOT doing well.
The western world overconsumes everything so it’s hard to single out a single item. Even less in the us were they have 20 ingredients for something that should have 3 or 4.
We are living in the result of overly processed food and profits above people.
I'm a carnivore. It works for me. If you do vegan, good for you if it works for you.
@@homie3461 it's pretty bad for the animals. They get ripped up from the plows. Die slow deaths from insecticides which btw also lower sperm count in humans. Regenerative cattle farming doesn't used insecticides, land retains moisture better, and the cattle have good lives. When they are killed it's immediate, I'd imagine better than getting ripped apart by a predator. Humans have eaten ruminant animals from our beginnings.
It was really disappointing to hear. Doctor drew also try and dump on randomized control trials, stating that they're only seventy years old and not very irrelevant form of study. I was speechless when I heard him say that
Great research and commentary as always, Mic! Interesting you mentioning Dr. Drew's past battle with prostate cancer over a decade ago. If I'm not mistaken, I believe he's also been quite vocal, more recently, about battling diverticulitis in the past 2 to 3 years. So, it sounds to me like maybe him taking an even closer look at some of his dietary beliefs might be very much what is needed by him in order to improve his own personal state of health. With that said though, I wish him all the best of luck.
In Dr. Drew's obituary, he will explain why meat is the best to eat.
I was watching Jimmy's live podcast on this topic a few days ago and made some negative statements in the comment section as to the truthfulness of his analysis. As a rule, he is an excellent political analyst and has made many correct calls that counter the narrative of the governmental oligarchy but I couldn't even finish watching this nonsense. Jimmy will also typically have well respected authorities on his show to back up much of what he says but-- Dr. Drew? Stick to what you know Jimmy and thank you Mic for this excellent critique.
Agree to a large extent. I was subbed to Jimmy until his meat pushing video dropped and my comment challenging this video was removed. Did his team remove it? I don't know but I can't recall any of my other comments on dozens of his other videos were ever removed.
Jimmy sold out a while ago.
The good thing about Jimmy is that he does change his mind.
@@LouisGedo The entire video was removed from RUclips. It is still on BitChute and Rumble.
@@isupportthecurrentthing.1514 You mean, he DOES change his mind.
The conspiratorial mindset seems to be more common amongst those that think animal products are terrific for us while believing that major institutional research gets things wrong about fats and cholesterol.
So you still dont believe that media state and corporations are conspiring against us?
I think you need to watch more Jimmy Dore.
I got bamboozled by a similar character back around 2010, Tom Naughton, with his "debunk" of Super Size Me, called Fat Head. It sent me down the "Ancel Keys ruined everything, carbs are the enemy" narrative that fortunately I grew out of by the end of the decade.
regardless of ethics, how could eating something that is almost EXACTLY identical to your own tissue possibly be bad for you? It is made up of EXACTLY those building blocks in EXACTLY those ratios that most of our cells/metabolism require, because animals like mammals have almost the exact same genetic makeup...
You haven't thought this through have you? There is also Neu5Gc ... you could make a case for cannibalism though.
Bro, this doesn’t sound smart evidence. H2O is definitely different from your own tissue, does that mean you shouldn’t drink H2O?
Neu5Gc is naturally found on cell surfaces in most mammals but not in humans. It gets incorporated into human cells by eating meats, organs and some dairy products.
Previous studies have shown when Neu5Gc is incorporated into human tissues, the immune system recognizes it as a foreign threat, producing antibodies to counter it. Repeated consumption of these meats then causes chronic inflammation, which has been known to increase risks of tumor formation. Neu5Gc has been linked to cancer as well as cardiovascular and other inflammatory diseases, including some bacterial infections.
I have been researching both vegan and carnivore diets in recent months and have come to the conclusion that both can work depending on the person. It’s the elimination of sugar and junk foods that convey most of the benefits. I thought I would share one of my observations though from watching hundreds of videos from both communities:
The carnivore community videos tend to have hundreds if not thousands of people sharing their experiences on carnivore which are 99.99% very positive. It’s often difficult to find even a single example where some had a bad experience on it. I would say at least 90% say it cleared up an array of illnesses and people feel amazing on it. These comments rarely mention vegans or a vegan style of eating. It is rare to find a case of someone who ate carnivore and switched to vegan and said they feel better or that it was the best thing they ever did.
The vegan community is littered with people castigating meat eaters and dismissing carnivore, often with a smug or hateful attitude. I understand that many people have an idealogical aversion to killing animals. It is quite common to find people who were ill on vegan and cured themselves when they switched to carnivore. Of course there are a majority that also feel great on vegan too.
I notice that it is overwhelmingly the Vegan community that spreads FUD. It is then those same “experts” that seek to sell you you on all kinds of potions, supplements and procedures. My spidey senses are tingling. In my life experience when someone hits me with FUD and then offers a solution which I need to pay for it is usually BS.
Let me give you one of hundreds of examples of this. I watched a carni video talking about SIBO, they said the vast majority of people see improvement within 2 weeks of a meat based, zero card diet. They tried to see me nothing. Then I saw the vegan community discussing this. They said it needed to be analyzed via a stool sample and then promoted a $250 stool analysis service. I see this pattern again and again and again.
Like I said, I think both diets have their benefits but do your research folks and question those spreading FUD and selling you stuff as a supposed panacea.
It’s says so much about our species that humanity still can’t grasp the ethical violation of eating animals. All this time and energy squandered on digging for ways to justify taste pleasure.
I feel the exact same way. It's immensely disheartening and frustrating.
That someone still hasn't realised how other animals are feeling beings just like ourselves is just baffling to me. Obviously many animals have better sensory perception than we do, in a variety of ways. But I guess that's not obvious to everyone.
You said it! The arguments back and forth about: is it healthy, is it not healthy. These could go on forever. What usually doesn't get mentioned and the 'elephant in the room' is the fact that animals are born to suffer, intensely, and in horrific conditions 24/7! And, the fact is we don't need meat to survive. It seems pretty clear that many, maybe most people, don't have any sense of ethics or real concern about the lives and suffering of other animals.
Humans kill each other without any qualms, why would they treat other animals any different
Eating animals is natural. And healthy
Man if I had a dollar for how many times Dore grifts on his show.....
' Grift ' seems to be popping up a lot in these comments. What gift are you talking about ?
Dore is solid when it comes to politics but maybe he should stay away from giving us food advice.
Nah hes a dumb dumb when it comes to that too. Extremely counterproductive for the left in America to the point of him basically only being a tool for Republicans.@@Rjaksa
As a runner, all the vegan foods have been helping my runs: bananas, sweet potatoes, beets! You don't need meat to be a good athlete.
Agree you don’t need it but you will be a dramatically better athlete with it. That’s why there are very very few top tier vegan athletes.
@@shanghaiffggtythats because there are inly few vegans period. But funnily enough, even though their nimbers are small, they are still up there in the top tiers.goes to show.
Would they still be without the plethora of supplements and drugs. Not likely
@thabonape5247 BREAKING NEWS: supplement industry is worth billions $. Vegans make up but a fraction of the market. Dear meat eaters are consuming the majority of the supplement products.
@@shanghaiffgg agreed.
Mike I know you’ve done videos on seed oils and why they’re inflammatory but can you do one on cold pressed olive oil?
It's crazy how popular this keto/carny stuff is. Do people have a literal deathwish?
The death wish is over consuming carbs and sugar and living off of processed food.
@@magusyilie What does it mean to overconsume carbs? And I mean, unrefined carbs.
@@barbaraibiel over consuming carbs meaning eating anything more than the human requirement for exogenous carbs which is 0 grams.
@@dcn1651 So what about that guy, who ate nothing but potatoes for a year? According to your theory, he should have died, but he lived and all his health markers improved.
@@barbaraibiel There's also a fat guy named Angus Barbieri who ate NOTHING for over a year and his health markers improved he would have been better off doing that. They were both subsisting off of animal fat, off their own bodies in this case. Fat people don't need to eat.
So glad you’re doing this! Dore is right about so much, but this time-holy moly!
do say what he's been right on lately...
@@GeneralArmorusDisproving American Propaganda. But of you go and watch mainstream!😆😆
Jimmy has turned into a right wing grifter. Anti-vax, pro-Trump, anti-democrats, but he says he's a leftist. You might as well listen to Tim Pool.
What was he right about?
@@Vonnie-i8bDisproving American propaganda on what? Can you be specific?
“Don’t trust mainstream media”, buzz phrase territory, that can mean anything from “keep an open mind” it can also mean “mind closed to evidence, experts and real data, accept everything is political, tune into rabbit holes on everything”.
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I genuinely like your intentions... however, the studies on red meat are either weak epidemiology (which are general food questionnaires with healthy user bias, guesswork etc) which usually list relative and not absolute 'risk' or are industry funded.
Here's a question for you, if meat is so bad, in your opinion if an average person ate meat only every day, how long would that person live?
Jimmy is not always right. And he's not always not bought.
Red meat is the healthiest food on the planet end of 💪🏼
I’m staggered by how many people are going carnivore, and Drs telling us that eggs and butter are good for you and plants are trying to kill you and are carcinogenic 🥴🤪
I’m not carnivore but butter and eggs are good for you especially eggs and plant maybe aren’t trying to kill you but are trying to defend themselves, but is that much different?
@chrisharwood5456
Carnivore is a fad. Once these people start having serious health issues, it will go away.
@@perijon00 What is good about butter and eggs? What health benefits do they have? What diseases do they prevent? Yes, plants are defending themselves from radiation from the sun, and the same chemicals can defend our bodies from genetic damage.
@@barbaraibiel seriously, they are one of the highest foods in all vitamins and minerals, esp A, B6&12, D, choline, some of the best protein, they are easily digested and have no toxins or pollution. That’s what we need to be strong and healthy, vitamins. Not fiber and phytonutrients. The body is healthy when it’s properly nourished so yea they prevent disease by giving you everything you need
@@perijon00 Too much of something is not good either, like vitamin A, which is toxic in high doses. Too much protein is also not good. Also read the study: Choline intake and risk of lethal prostate cancer. Toxins and pollutants accumulate in meat, and you can't wash them off. Fiber and phytonutrients are necessary for optimum health. The body is properly nourished on plants, and plants prevent diseases.
youre almost at 400k subs Mic, good job!!! :)
I'm a big fan of Jimmy Dore. However, when it comes to his take on meat and a vegan diet. Jimmy misses the mark. Your comment Jimmy 's video great. I'm also a big fan of yours! Good worok!
I don’t get it, the animals the carnivores are eating build their bodies by eating plants. By passing the middleman is good for us and and not to mention good for the animals.
Carnivores also might consider acrilimides (spelling?)
From now on I’m going to get all my medical/nutritional advice from jimmy dore and Joe Rogan!😅
Thanks for the great video, love your work!! Looking forward to your new Ebook!!! Did you notice that the episode with Dr. Neal Barnard at The Diary of a CEO was removed? I don't know why. I hadn't watched it yet. If anyone know where to find it, would be nice to know.
Last time I checked the episode was still available to listen to on podcast platforms. Fortunately I saw the YT version, and it was fantastic. But wow, the meat and dairy trolls were out en masse and the number of negative comments was just crazy. I'm not a watcher of the Diary of a CEO channel but at the beginning of the episode the host was begging people to subscribe, so my guess is that fans of the show threatened to unsubscribe and the episode disappeared. Dr. Barnard was an amazing guest, although the host was definitely biased and quite a jerk.
@@WFPB_4_Life That's also my guess, that they were unsubscribing 'en masse'!
Dr. Drew always creeped me out when he was in that show with Adam Carolla Loveline. His medical advice was dubious I thought. Then he went on to become the psychiatric "expert" for several Rehab reality shows. I found him once again to be slinging psych advice that was maybe okay for the addicts but then he went to say stuff about other psychiatric conditions that were iffy. He's not a psychiatrist. So am I surprised that he's now slinging dubious claims on red meat consumption? Not at all. My anecdotal evidence is that since my stroke and takotsubo syndrome episode my cardiologist advised me to stay WFPB for life. Since my last cholesterol test yielded a total score of 89 I can only assume that is keeping my stroke free and coronary arteries clean.
Thanks, as always, Mic.
Been watching Jimmy for years. Been vegan for longer. He was actually flirting with vegan for a while but then found an “anti establishment” angle from which to champion meat eating so he’s running with that. He needed a takedown here. Thanks Mike and keep up the good work.
Does anyone remember when Jimmy used to give pro-vegan arguments? Post-Covid Jimmy is not the same…
He is a beta male... he will go with the wind... waste of time, and not funny.
Yeah because he learned better. NOBODY goes from carnivore to vegan, but the list keeps getting bigger of people going from vegan to carnivore
I'm a fan of jimmy dore but I wouldn't take dietary advice from him or rogan! I like their content on other subjects but not on what to eat! jimmy has been influenced by rogan! he really should listen instead to Brand! I really liked this response mic!
I unsubbed from his channel after my comment challenging his guest was apparently removed.
A bit of an over reaction considering that half our comments get deleted by YT these days.
I was also frustrated.
@@isupportthecurrentthing.1514
You're probably right on both points.
@@LouisGedo Yeah lots of my comments get removed. It's RUclips's cracking down on debate and external to the mainstream thought mostly.
@@abdvs325
In the interrim, I resulted to Dore....... but yes, I can attest that on numerous other channels over the past few months, lots of people's comments are being deleted. 😔
That’s funny I’m a big Jimmy Dore fan and I never saw this video. But a couple years ago I know I read that French study that was huge. I think it was couple hundred thousand people that track peoples diets in cancer and heart disease and yeah it’s beyond question that red meat is related to some bad health outcomes I wish I could remember the name of that. I’ve mentioned it several times but it’s pretty thorough.
People love to hear good things about their bad habits. (McDougall)
The problem with food studies is that there is no strict control to fairly evaluate any one particular food. For example, if someone eats butter but also smokes and eats donuts how do you what each contributed?
Yes it's a big problem. Red meat consumption for example highly correlates with high saturated fat and trans fat and sugar and deep fried foods or in other words a burger meal. I have recently decided I will try to cut down on saturated fats so now I actually haven't reduced my red meat but my red meat of choice is kangaroo and usually boiled so very low fat. I am very curious about the confounding factors.
Mic needs a beef burger.
Not looking healthy there bud.
I am a big fan of Jimmy and he gets it right so often. But he blew it on this topic. And Dr. Drew is a shill! He sometimes has very interesting, controversial guests but he is almost insufferable. Thanks for responding to this video!
He’s a professional grifter. This should be a wake up call to you.
he is not right often. get smart please
Seriously, I was a fan years ago, I even have a shirt of his. Absolute crazy person grifter and I never use that over used word. He's definition of the word. He used to 'joke' about how he'd sell out...he wasn't joking.
@@hematadopormenosFor now, I save the term grifter for our MSM!
@@mellonlord4616I don’t hero worship Jimmy or anything. And if he turns out to be as corrupt as our mainstream media, I’ll move on. But, so far, he isn’t even close! 🤷
Keep up the good work !
Your awesome
I watch Jimmy Dore pretty often. He seems to try to present a narrative different than the mainstream media, and i think that is good for foreign affairs and US politics. But I think on this topic, and on environmental issues in general, it doesn't work very well at getting to the truth.
It is amazing how attacked y'all are by others uploading a video to discuss this. You're acting like they came into your space and trashed your plant diets.
If you really were secure in your choices you wouldn't be like this.
Interviewing Dr. Drew as some sort of nutrition expert seems a little Scammy (esp. when you can seek valid vegan scientists)
He's just going by his belief. I doubt its a scam .
It’s bizzarre how many people claim the research is just funded by the grain/sugar industry, when in reality it’s the meat/dairy/egg industries that are most aggressive on that.
1:30 i wonder do people know what an orthopaedic surgeon is? It’s a specialisation not anything related to nutrition. Why are they taking anti science advice on a specialisation from another unrelated specialisation.
Same people who take nutrition advice from a Chiropractor....😅
@@lynnritchie231And some from a RUclipsr with no qualifications at all.
@@Richard.Atkinson I guess someone with no quals could be right or wrong - consistent science research results is good to go by - sometimes plain logical deduction omits possibilities.
Certainly the good looking charismatic people giving advice on the net are probably not the ones to take info from without further investigation or backing - yet many do without question.
If people are claiming their qualifications as back up instead of studies, the quals should at least be related. And even then really it still should be backed with research and data
Online, many Drs are seen by some as authorities on a matters without the need to back up claims and it is interesting that sometimes they are also Drs in unrelated fields.
I prefer pesticides over hormones and antibiotics.
Vegan logic.
Well done as always Mic.
Drew Pinsky is one of the biggest sellouts in the world. I trust what he has to say about as far as I could throw him.
I am an oncology nurse specializing in radiation treatment. It is alarming that the cases of colorectal cancers has increased at an alarming rate not to mention the age as well. Recently my youngest colorectal cancer is only 23 years and breast cancer the youngest is 24 and that is recurrence as well. One thing they all ahve in common is the carnivore diet if only I could tell them that it was their heavy meat consumption I would but as a medical professional we are gagged from any dietary advice. One recent prostate cancer patient was told he can eat whatever he can and I felt so worried about it. I would like to talk to the guy but Doctors words are gold no matter how bad it can be.
Ugh, both of those people are insane and not worth the trouble, their viewers are also too far gone. There's no reasoning with the unreasonable.
I'm one of Jimmy's viewers and I'm very reasonable.
@mellonlord4616 I think his audience is reasonable, and I hope his audience will find this video.
Nah. I am surprised he is for meat actually ... 95% of what he says is spot on.
But he never offers help or solutions. That's the biggest issue with him.
Well done Mic. Thank you for doing this video. I was watching Jimmy Dore's livestream when this Dr. Drew was on, I had to shut it off. I like Jimmy, , however he is easily duped.
The amount of intellectual dishonesty of people trying to legitimize eating animals is surreal...
So don't eat animals. Simple.
@@p0llenp0ny I don't.
Half of Jimmy's show is him reading an article word for word. In this one, it was a study.😂
What do you expect him to do ?
Or just watching a video and pointing at it 😂
Jimmy does a great job of exposing many things, he sometimes, like any human being, gets some stuff wrong, like this, for example.
A big part of his show is reading misleading PARTS of articles.
@@BlueNorth313 He hasn't exposed anything that wasn't already exposed.
I ate red meat one time and I died
I have a friend who has been doing Keto/Paleo for quite a few years and her Cholesterol was over 400. She still hasn't changed her diet because she truly believes it won't hurt her. People will eat what they want, believe what they want and die how they want. I will always be here for her should she desire a change though!
You will die before she does.
I follow Jimmy Dore. Love him but to have this Dr Drew as a guess just piss me off. The biggest jab pusher is an expert on this subject. Had to comment and said you really need to do more research and have Dr Neal Bernard on and Dr Gregor. Then you can decide
Great response Mike.
Red meat? More like Darth Steaker, menacing our arteries with the dark side of cholesterol. Ditch the dark side of Darth Steaker and his cholesterol-fueled reign of terror. Grab your light saber (made of celery, naturally) and join the legume rebellion! We've got chickpeas, lentils, and the moral high ground (because, let's face it, saving cows and the planet is pretty heroic).
Remember Neo dodging bullets in The Matrix? That's basically you ignoring the link between red meat and increased mortality. It's like choosing the red meat pill, leading you down a path paved with clogged arteries and potential health setbacks.
The red meat myth perpetuated by "internet doctors" who look more like they got their medical degree from Dr. Google than a real university. These characters are like the Kardashians of nutrition - all hype and no substance, with research as reliable as a fortune cookie written by a malfunctioning printer. They might sound fancy with their "Dr. Steakenstein" and "Dr. Butterfingers" titles, but their claims are about as credible as a unicorn winning the Tour de France.
But let's be real, blaming carbs for your health woes is like blaming the sun for a sunburn. Complex carbs are the Robin to your Batman, providing energy, fiber, and a gut party that would make even the grumpiest digestive system do the happy dance.
I'm not sure what's more concerning: the fear of carbs or the lack of awareness about the rainforest-destroying consequences of certain dietary choices.
The problem with your post is that it doesn’t reflect reality. I eat a carnivore diet and my blood work is impeccable. When I go close to zero carb I feel and perform much better than when I am not in ketosis.
"Theyre acting like dogs." Man i remember having that epiphany when i was at an elephant sactuary in Thailand and they were jumping around just like that under a waterfall. Then later that year exact same thing with a little baby moose in grand tetons. Same way little kids just run for the feeling of running. Both experiences felt very unifying
I like Jimmy Dore. I was saddened by him releasing this video.
Jimmy Dore is an anti-science right wing grifter, THIS was the video that was saddening? 💀💀💀
Why do you like jimmy dore? This isn’t the first time hes said something incredibly false.
@@strika52He says a lot of true stuff that is very hard to find elsewhere
I don't think people should take offense to the authentic opinions of good-intentioned people.
I like JD too. He does say some very dumb crap about the climate as well
There's a reason Mic doesn't debate actual scientists. The reason is science.
Meanwhile, Glen Greenwald making powerful vegan content. Jimmy fails on science routinely.
Jimmy's a bit of a fool , but I like him.
Does Glen make vegan content ?
@@isupportthecurrentthing.1514 his last 2 vids were
@noah5291
You are right! Glen Greenwald is making vegan content. Jimmy knows him. Jimmy should have Glen on his show to talk about veganism.
Stay hungry, guys.
Jimmy Dore loves to talk about stuff he knows nothing about. For example, he weighed in against the COVID-19 vaccines and recommended ivermectin as a treatment despite no compelling evidence that it works. As your clip of his earlier compassion for cows demonstrates, he has changed over time. In the beginning, he didn't promote quackery like he does now. I never took him that seriously, but I used to enjoy watching his show. Now I find him insufferable. He's obviously tailoring his views to attract a new and much larger audience of angry conspiracy buffs.
My thoughts exactly . Which is why I stopped watching him after watching him for years
Ivermectin for Lyme disease for the parasite ,say babesia, which may tag along with the burgdorferi borrelia bacteria and hydroxy chloroquine used by the military on malaria Mondays, 500 mg in Iraq and other places
Red meat is real food. Nature's one stop store!
Wow watching two highly esteemed nutritional experts discussing the benefits of red meat consumption. What a life changing experience. Who the f&@k is this Jimmy Dore anyway?? Is it OK if I say I never heard of this character.
Maybe check out his channel, it’s awesome
He’ll red pill you on a lot of things. Shame you haven’t heard of him.
Great video Mike.🎉
My sister was a nurse and health nut. She was vegan for a few years and was always getting me to try vegan dishes and would tell me how good it tasted. It always tasted like straight garbage. I could care less if meat is bad for my health, it’s delicious.
Obviously not its our natural diet.
Ya, Jimmy has proven himself to be a100% grifter. Just following the clicks
When dis that happen ?
He doesn't always get it right , but he usually brings important stories.
I think Jimmy is great in political areas, but maybe just feeding his own belief in medical studies.
I usually agree with Jimmy but he has the red meat thing wrong. The good thing is he keeps an open mind. I bet he would have you on his show, Mic. Contact him.
Can we bring back that “shoddy research” miniclip at regular intervals please and thank you
Oh no, Jimmy Dore. I wish no one had to give that grifter the time of day
Another Biden voter ?
Maybe the guys from the burden of proof study don't know what a systematic review, interesting name choice, tho