Note to everyone - Mark is stronger than you, and has achieved the 10,000 rep axiom if mastery. I have 10lb, 20lb and 45lb clubs. They have been sitting in the corner since I bought them two years ago. Inspired by these videos and our forced incarceration, i have been transformed by these new training protocols. But, after a cursory try at the 10lb club, I decided to go directly to the 20. I can put 100kg overhead easy; the 20lb almost ripped my shoulder out when I went behind my head with it. Thankfully no real damage. The 10lb and I will now become intimate. The 45lb will be a massive doorstop or for swings only for the foreseeable future. Don’t be a macho meathead - use less and master the movement
@@MarkWildman I am 65 with all my strength in legs, pretty weak upper body and bad tendinosis in both shoulders. I suspect I should get 10lbs to start, but should I consider going even lighter?
I was going to start with 15lbs, but after reading your comments, I will start with the ten lbs. I am 75 and in good shape but I never really focused on the joints as Mark illustrated. Thanks.
It's been said before but I'll say it again. Always go lighter! I've been using a 4kg, 6kg, and 8kg. I've found that I'm generally strong in a lot of movements but my elbows need time still to adapt
I'll vouch for how heavy clubs can feel. I bought pair of 15 on clubs. Eager to learn I watched Mark's vids on particular club exercises. Did every exercise in the lists. My wrists were *screaming* for next couple of days, including tendons that run through wrists into hand. For reference I can deadlift > 405, snatch 106lb kettlebell, bench > 300. The clubs are brutal. Really fun though.
You are so right when you recommend starting with a 6kg. I thought I was strong from kettlebells. The 6kg club arrived today...wow. Straight back to being a beginner. Thank you for all of your video guidance. Massively appreciated.
@neil bates which weights do you use for kettlebell? because i also think that i am strong enough from kettlebelling and my years of fitness before that to start with a 8kg club, but now i am back at considering a 6kg
Thank you. How have I lived over 60 years, use barbells and dumbells without really changing anything. I’m now inspired to try this. Thank you for simplifying the How To aspects of this unusual (to me) form of truly functional fitness. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The student is ready. Teach me.
I agree with some of the other comments. I started with a 10 and still was expecting to give myself a shiner while doing the shield cast. Eventually I got the hang of it. The 15lb is just now becoming more manageable and that is after a year. Listen to Mark's detailed instructions on grip and arm positions in other videos. It worth the study time. Thank you Mark for making things clear and explaining the important things.
Thanks for the clear presentation and detailed instructions. I am 50 years old and I made iron clubs and I do exercises with heavy clubs twice a week because I still like to challenge myself. Thanks for putting in the effort and sharing tips and tutorials with us. I realy like all your videos it helps me a lot . Greetings from Slovenia
I got into heavy clubs after discovering your videos, and I love them! I started with a 15lb, then recently I picked up a 25lb. Definitely a pretty substantial jump, but it works for me because I can still do single arm movements with the 15 and double arm with the 25.
Thank you Mark - this is great. My girlfriend and I are on Amazon now shopping for our first clubs! I know we’re sounding like a broken record but if you plan to do programming - we’re 100% down and it sounds like a lot of others are also!
@@Bobby_Rib - both the club training and the relationship going superbly, thank you for asking. I am currently doing Mark’s heavy clubs program having done the mill squat program with three weights. How about you?
thank you, Mark! Super grateful for this. For those who are metric, it's impossible to get the exact weights that Mark has recommended. You can either go slightly lighter with a 6kg, 8kg and 10kg, or, go a little bit heavier with a 8kg, 10kg, 12kg. I'm still tossing up which way to go!
I would just clarify this is specific to clubbell exercises. Heavy wooden (Indian) clubs should be far lighter. British Military style is around 3kg. Also much lighter when starting and for more technical stuff. Good points around the joint strength in movement. Something most don't think about.
Just got my 1st club from White Lion Athletics in CDN. Glad I watched this 1st and went with 6kg and will then move to 8, then 10. The club is just a different beast. Thanks for all the videos Mark, just awesome detail, no bullshit. (And we get this access to a pro instructor for free!) waiting on the app though, sounds like I will be thrilled to start paying for your expertise!
Thanks for the pragmatic advice Mark. I'm 51, spent 30 years in the military, but never used clubs before. I'm sure I should be able to get them from an Australian Company called "Iron Edge"in kg equivalent weights. Kind regards Adam.
Another affordable hack to microload and bridge the gap between clubs ive found to work beautifully is using 5lb ankle weights, you can strap them on securely and adjust whether you want 1-5 additional pounds!
Purchased a 15 lbs and 25 lbs RMAX (CST) based upon watching Wildman on this channel. Soooo happy I did. Love them and cannot recommend enough. Note, when I ordered, these were two of the only ones available so I didn't have much choice on size. A 15 lb is never going to be useless imo as you can do one handed stuff, etc. (eventually move to double 15's if you want) 25 lbs club feels more like 40 lbs if you were to just pick it up and guess. Not sure if he mentions in this video, but the RMAX are a good bit longer than onnit. Onnit is obviously a great company, but I'm glad I went w/ the original RMAX. Also, imo these clubs challenge grip more than kettlebells.
Hey Mark - on the intermediate weight clubs you mentioned (which don't exist): Here in Australia where I live we use the metric system, obviously, and they sell clubs typically in 2kg increments. Of particular relevance to your point: 8kg club = 17.6 pounds (which is nearly halfway between 15lb and 20lb) and 10kg club = 22lb (kinda halfway from 20lb to 25lb). I suppose there's a local retailer here who would ship to the USA if someone really wanted those intermediate weights. Thanks for your daily uploads during COVID - really useful.
That is why I love my Adex Clubs.. 3.5 to 25 pounds! With their new fractional 1.25 pound plates it gives me 18 different weight changes! Looking forward to getting their attachment to take it all the way to 45 pounds.. that will be a beast! Look forward too it.
Coach Wildman, ordered the Adex. At least 4 weeks out. Looking at buying a couple rubber coated Clubbell. They're out of 15 lb. Thinking about buying a 10# to warm up for the Adex. Then, maybe a 5 or 20. Or another 10. You mentioned Adex club was not much lever when lighter.
Thanks for the info Mark. Im going picking up a club after watching your videos, I never even considered using them prior to hearing you talk about them.
I first bought an 8kg club (which is 17.6 pounds by the way - so there is a midpoint between 15 and 20 pounds available) and bought a 6kg (13.2 pounds) this week for the Alternating 180 degree Pullover. That turned out to be a good move because I could not do the alternating pullover with correct form with the 8 kg. Today, I did the alternating pullover with the 6 kg for 10 minutes straight, 1 minute per side, and I could concentrate on the form rather than struggling with the weight. That said, it was still a substantial workout. A few more minutes and I would have been at failure on the left side. I also did inside and outside circles left and right with the 8 kg for 10 minutes. What I'm wondering now is how to track / program this sequence. What do people who know what they are doing use for this?
Seems like you can help me a little bit with my decision whether i should buy a 6kg or 8kg. I have been kettlebelling for a few weeks now (16kg get-up and 24kg swing). Now i am thinking about buying clubbells, but i am not sure if i should start with 6 or 8 (dont wanna buy both because i am a poor student). I made martial arts for 4 years and have some good basic muscles i would say but unknown to such movements. Hope you can give me an insight or your opinion
@@schroedder5090 Maybe I can give you some insight. I bought a 6kg steel mace recently and use that as a stand-in for heavy clubs too (just choke up on the handle). My previous workout consisted of 300 two-handed swings and 30 get-ups with a 32kg kettlebell and 50 snatches and 50 clean and presses with a 24kg bell. Additionally I am training in Bagua (6 years) and Karate (18 years). I found 6kg on the mace to be enough. I also didn't want to buy multiple new things so I chose the mace instead of the club. I think it offers more variety. The only thing you have to do is grip the mace in the middle of the handle and you have a fully functional club. Easy. Maybe I'll buy a club in the future but right now the mace is definitely the better choice for me.
Hey, love the channel! I recently got my first club before watching this video, and chose a 12 kg(26lb). Needless to say I can't do mokeuch one-handed with it unless I choke up my grip. White lion athletic here in Canada sells clubs in 2kg increments, so I'm looking at either a 6kg or 8kg next(13.2lbs/17.6lbs). Thanks for all the quality videos!
I bought a 15 pounder some years back, opened the package, tried to lift it out horizontally and immediately thought that Rmax mistakenly sent me a heavier weight. You cannot equate clubbell weight to dumbbell weight.
The first set I ever got were long handled 11 pounders. I thought it had to be at least 20. It was 11 spot on according to the bathroom. I'm a pretty stout guy and I had to be quite careful and slow with them to prevent hurting myself. It's one of the reasons I get kind of annoyed by him saying men SHOULD START with 15s. It just sounds like a good way for a less than cautious person to hurt themselves badly.
For flat feet train and be barefooted most of the time. When walking let the your weight be handled by the front of the foot like when sprinting and lighter on the heel. Do calf lifts to strengthen your arches.
My instinct was to start with a 15lb club. It's funny how I've been into different kinds of fitness off and on for about 20 years and never had a single injury. I always listen to what more experienced athletes recommend and make my decisions after that. You do that long enough and you can assess the risk of just about anything without needing to consult with an expert. It's never hurts to get a second opinion though
I bought 6 kg, 10 kg and 15 kg. But i traded the 15 back to 12 kg because it felt to heavy during rotation. Biggest problems for me are elbow pain, pain in the hands and blisters. It is fun training though.
I get what you mean about starting light. I’m just doing basic double stick drills with my ironwood bastons, and I have to slowly build up my wrists and forearms. After a while, I can feel fatigue in my hands and wrists.
I just found a hammer in my garage and started do some of these movement it works fine I actually have different size’s of hammer so I continue with Them and se if it’s fun and if it is I might consider buy some Club Bell 😊
I also just bought an 8kg club (I'm in Germany) still waiting for delivery but I made a 4kg one with a threaded nipple (filled with sand) with a metal clamp at the top. It's ugly, but it's great to practice with before the real thing comes. Also, there's no way you didn't check the Thesaurus before saying "behoove"! Awesome content as always, thank you.
@@crossfithammerschmiede Thanks for the reply. Have to keep looking then because apart from the floor issue, I remember Mark mentioning in an earlier video that he recommends the rubber coating for beginners to lessen the risk of a bad injury in case you clock yourself in the head by mistake.
@@tobe3504 I'll write back here and let you know when I receive it (if it's rubberised or not) That said, the fear of hitting ones' self is probably a good motivation to stay with a weight that we can handle until we get some proficiency!
I got the 2 handed club course and the adex adjustable club. I trained with a group of professional arm wrestlers for 2+ years and realized that I need functional strength and have been working on that. 25 lb club is where I am at and I think 30 lbs would be too much. To be fair I've been swinging a weighted sledge hammer on my own. Just for a frame of reference I have arm wrestled guys who powerlifting over 600 and claimed to lift over 800 lbs and crushed them slowly. I thought I would be able to do more for this workout. I was wrong lol. I wonder how well Mark would do arm wrestling. Haha I think he would destroy most local pros in his weight class.
I started with a 20lb. That was dumb. Moved down to a 15 before then going up and getting heavy. It travels much much different than a mace. Or a kb. Shield casts and mills really sucked until I could rehearse with the 15lb a bunch
I bought a 12 Kg (26lb) club bell on a whim with very little knowledge of what club bells are all about. I was regularly working out with 24kg and 32kg (52 & 70lb) kettlebells so I figured that 12kg was nothing. I was wrong. So wrong. 12Kg is heavier than you think in that format!
In going through your whole back catalogue of videos.right now focusing on the mace transitions. I've made my own 4.5 kg mace and padded it so I won't break anything important like my face. I've also made a 4 5 kg club that's "adjustable" meaning I can just weld on more re bar to add more weight. I really appreciate your professional approach to the training and your methodical work. That's why I'm confused by your recommendation of starting with 15 pounds. I'm fairly strong but if i mess up an inward shield cast with my off hand I feel the potential for messing up my shoulder. I can't imagine starting with 7kg and messing that up I think that would be a very bad day and end training for a while if not forever.
I've been training with maces for a couple years now, and am considering adding clubs to my gym. I've run through pretty much all of Mark's mace content over that time, step by step. I'm currently doing single-arm mace work with a 15lb mace (e.g. single-arm 360s, circles, coin flips, millls, etc) and two handed work with a 20 and 25 lb mace (25lb 360s are still a lot, I'm not doing those for minutes at a time, but I can do them for reps with good technique. Given that, would you suggest skipping directly to a 20lb club - my assumption is that the mace has a longer lever-arm so given that I can do 15lb mace work, a 15 lb club would be "easier". Or am I missing the point that I'm having to start over with club skills so should start at 15 anyway? I'm also considering the Adex adjustable club, which answers my question a different way anyway! Love your channel, Mark, it's transformed my own fitness, as well as teaching me enough to pass that onto my friends - I've now got 3 buddies who join me weekly in the garage gym to toss maces and kettlebells around.
Glad I started watching your videos two or three months ago as I had some 10 and 15 pound clubbells that hadn't been used much since I got them 10 or 15 years ago. I mostly did arm casts with them, but I'm finding the circular movements are good for resolving some muscle imbalances I have. Thanks for that. Have you looked at the Adex clubs? As you have mentioned I like having the rubberized covering for the Scott Sonnon clubbells, but since I live in an apartment in New York I am wondering if having a single adjustable club might be good for filling out the rest of the weights and save some space.
1. Anyone who says "start with this" and then spends the next 6 minutes talking about how to use them and finishes with "take my advice, start with this", means it and has probably seen what happens if you don't follow that advice. 2. Extra points for using the word 'behoove'.
Thanks for this video for those of us who you inspired to get started with clubs! Along the same lines, what weights would you recommend for starting out with steel maces? Thanks!
Great info in all your videos - but finding a club workout - ie / which exercises - reps - duration - would be sweet if you provided a basic format for a club wod
Hi! I found out your channel just at the beginning of the pandemic. I always saw some clubs on a couple gyms i went to and never understood the point, you changed my mind and i bought some as soon as possible. I think the ones that i bought are full iron so i have to be carefull around the house. Got a pair of 2.5k and 5k since as far as i understood was a good progression, and also got the 10k one for double arm at the end. So on my little knowledge of weighlift i came up with a little workout with the club excercises you have on your club list, i had like 0% strenght on my hands and at the beginning i ended up with my hands so sore, but almost 2 months in and im finally getting the hang of it. Im 90% sure i havent figured out the way you do programs, i think in some videos you talk about 1 move for 10min and that should be a workout, i dont know if that means 6 movements for 60min or really just 1 per day, i get a lot of questions on how do you cover everything or how you do kettlebell one day and club another so... it would be awesome if you could help us showing us at least a very basic workout day (or week) just to have an idea of the kind of regime you are suggesting, and also apply it, obviously. Thanks by the way for the awesome knowledge you share with us!
In his live streams he has mentioned that he is coming out with some pretty lengthy programming. He just did a live stream yesterday and it was pretty good
@@torynichols2413 oh! well i didnt know about the livestreams, i usually cant see stuff like that, i mostly "hear" and take peaks of the videos while working. But if hes already on it, then is justa a matter of time, pretty cool!
Love your videos I recently got a 15 pounder partly because I've been watching your videos for a few weeks and wanted to add something to my kettlebell and bodyweight workout. So far I think I'm doing well with it. Are there any benefits to using two clubs of the same weight together? I don't think I've seen you use two but I see it a lot on RUclips.
If one happened to be poor and will likely be remaining so for the foreseeable future, would fashioning a weapon with a stick and striking component at the top suffice for these movements or would that be too different of a dynamic?
@@MarkWildman Well I have this half length broomstick that I play around with, mostly seeing how much speed and power I can get in a short jab like snap from behind the ear to about 4/5 feet infront of me. I can feel it doing some magic on my wrist and elbow. If I attached something heavy to the end would it be suitable for these flowing type movements you are making or would the weight being at the end be kind of cheating?
After reading those comments I’m going to totally ignore his advice and go for a lighter club! Maybe start with a 10 lb club I think. God, I feel so grown up! 😅
@MarkWildman yep. After testing inside and outside circles with 4kg and 8kg hard style kettlebells I’m following your advice and am starting w a 6kg club bell. Will see how that goes. Thx Mark.
Hello, Mark, would you consider a pair of 6kgs, a single 10kg and a single 12kg the best "buy once, cry once" weight options? I'm asking because I plan to buy them all at once, due to shipping costs to my country being very absurd if I only buy a single heavy item at once.
I live in New Zealand and I am buying my club from Australia. We use metric, so should I start with a 6 kg (13.23 pounds) or the 8 kg (17.64 pounds) club? I was thinking of going with the 6...
Mark I got a 6kg club to start (13.22pounds). Its simple solid cast iron as I could not get the American ones to the UK. I am generally sweaty so in order to make my grip better as I am beginning to get into clubbells, I applied tennis grip tape to it. Can you tell me if that is a bad idea? EDIT: Yeap realised its a bad idea! Got blisters in my thumb and index.
I bought 15's and regret it. These are too heavy for me to doubles with. I'd say probably 99.9 percent of all people can get a great workout with 10's, which I also just purchased. Just to be sure, I bought 5's also.
@@MarkWildman I didn't know u looked at the comments, let alone responded. Wowsers. Hey happy to meet you, man. Love your work. Ben Patrick basically sent me over this way. I'm probably gonna be a familiar face and ask a ton of questions.
Do you think it's better to buy and adjustable Club rather than a 24kg KB? I already have a 16kg and I work on alternate days with it doing 20 minutes complexes and I've become very proficient with it, so I was looking for an heavier one. Talking about bringing up intensity in my week training, on the other days I work with a mace and I implement some GPP work (neck, calf, tibs, etc) but I was wondering if it's better to focus on going heavy on throwing patterns since for me KB movements are easier.
I think an adjustable club is a must. I think an adjustable kb is a must as well Wildman adjustable bell from bells of steel gets you 12 kg to 32 in 1/2 kg incriments. 41 weights. Therefore you can never hit the end of training
I have recently been doing a lot of work with a steel mace and have been loving it, great change of pace from traditional barbell stuff. I can move a 20 pound mace around relatively well, would you still recommend starting with the 15 pound club?
I have a 15 lb mace and a 15 lb club. I feel like I could definitely go heaver for 360s/10 to 2s with the mace. But single-arm exercises with the club get tiring pretty fast.
Hello Mark, Do you have now, or will you be producing programs to progress from beginner, with the proper sequencing of heavy club exercises? I would pay for this instruction.
Never used clubbells before. No shoulder issues. Bench press (for whatever it’s worth as a measure of upper body strength) is high intermediate. Should I still start with a 15 lb bell or should I play it safe and get a 10 lber?
Hi Mark, in Europe clubs are not so easy to find, impossible at the moment with the pandemic, almost like kettle bells, how can clubs be replaced by dumbbells?
budget being a problem I am unsure if I should purchase a macebell or club to start? I have some shoulder, tennis elbow issues. I read that the Macebells would be a good buy for such problems? Any advice is appreciated. Thank you and great videos!
What's the best light impact kind of work outs? I use to be at the gym every day about 4 years ago but had a kid and got into very labor intensive work. Trying to get at it I noticed my joints and injuries I've gotten in latest years have really taken its toll. I've seen resistance bands but would like to know about other options
How well does macebell work translate to clubs? I’ve been using maces for years and currently use rogue 16kg with ease. What weight would I start with?
Note to everyone - Mark is stronger than you, and has achieved the 10,000 rep axiom if mastery. I have 10lb, 20lb and 45lb clubs. They have been sitting in the corner since I bought them two years ago. Inspired by these videos and our forced incarceration, i have been transformed by these new training protocols. But, after a cursory try at the 10lb club, I decided to go directly to the 20. I can put 100kg overhead easy; the 20lb almost ripped my shoulder out when I went behind my head with it. Thankfully no real damage. The 10lb and I will now become intimate. The 45lb will be a massive doorstop or for swings only for the foreseeable future. Don’t be a macho meathead - use less and master the movement
They are humbling.
@@MarkWildman I am 65 with all my strength in legs, pretty weak upper body and bad tendinosis in both shoulders. I suspect I should get 10lbs to start, but should I consider going even lighter?
I'm pretty strong of a dude. Went out and got a 45 thinking it would be easy. I can't even swing it
Me strong like bull. Been lifting weights for years. These clubs are a different breed for sure. Much more functional Me like
I was going to start with 15lbs, but after reading your comments, I will start with the ten lbs. I am 75 and in good shape but I never really focused on the joints as Mark illustrated. Thanks.
I was practicing transitions with my 6kg club in the garden today, managed to launch it into the fence, so glad I decided to train outside.
It's been said before but I'll say it again. Always go lighter! I've been using a 4kg, 6kg, and 8kg. I've found that I'm generally strong in a lot of movements but my elbows need time still to adapt
I'll vouch for how heavy clubs can feel. I bought pair of 15 on clubs. Eager to learn I watched Mark's vids on particular club exercises. Did every exercise in the lists. My wrists were *screaming* for next couple of days, including tendons that run through wrists into hand. For reference I can deadlift > 405, snatch 106lb kettlebell, bench > 300. The clubs are brutal. Really fun though.
You are so right when you recommend starting with a 6kg. I thought I was strong from kettlebells. The 6kg club arrived today...wow. Straight back to being a beginner. Thank you for all of your video guidance. Massively appreciated.
Yeah. They are a whole new ballgame
@neil bates which weights do you use for kettlebell? because i also think that i am strong enough from kettlebelling and my years of fitness before that to start with a 8kg club, but now i am back at considering a 6kg
24 kg kettlebell was my go-to, but the 6kg club was rough.
Thank you. How have I lived over 60 years, use barbells and dumbells without really changing anything. I’m now inspired to try this. Thank you for simplifying the How To aspects of this unusual (to me) form of truly functional fitness. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The student is ready. Teach me.
I agree with some of the other comments. I started with a 10 and still was expecting to give myself a shiner while doing the shield cast. Eventually I got the hang of it. The 15lb is just now becoming more manageable and that is after a year. Listen to Mark's detailed instructions on grip and arm positions in other videos. It worth the study time. Thank you Mark for making things clear and explaining the important things.
Thanks for the clear presentation and detailed instructions. I am 50 years old and I made iron clubs and I do exercises with heavy clubs twice a week because I still like to challenge myself. Thanks for putting in the effort and sharing tips and tutorials with us. I realy like all your videos it helps me a lot . Greetings from Slovenia
I got into heavy clubs after discovering your videos, and I love them! I started with a 15lb, then recently I picked up a 25lb. Definitely a pretty substantial jump, but it works for me because I can still do single arm movements with the 15 and double arm with the 25.
Thank you Mark - this is great. My girlfriend and I are on Amazon now shopping for our first clubs!
I know we’re sounding like a broken record but if you plan to do programming - we’re 100% down and it sounds like a lot of others are also!
@@Bobby_Rib - both the club training and the relationship going superbly, thank you for asking.
I am currently doing Mark’s heavy clubs program having done the mill squat program with three weights.
How about you?
@@Bobby_Rib that sounds really interesting - how is that training going for you?
@@Bobby_Rib enjoy - don’t forget to stand all the way up, squeeze the glutes and breathe behind the shield.
thank you, Mark! Super grateful for this. For those who are metric, it's impossible to get the exact weights that Mark has recommended. You can either go slightly lighter with a 6kg, 8kg and 10kg, or, go a little bit heavier with a 8kg, 10kg, 12kg. I'm still tossing up which way to go!
did you ever decide, I'm in the same position thinking from other's comments that 'll go lighter.
I would just clarify this is specific to clubbell exercises. Heavy wooden (Indian) clubs should be far lighter. British Military style is around 3kg. Also much lighter when starting and for more technical stuff.
Good points around the joint strength in movement. Something most don't think about.
Just got my 1st club from White Lion Athletics in CDN.
Glad I watched this 1st and went with 6kg and will then move to 8, then 10. The club is just a different beast.
Thanks for all the videos Mark, just awesome detail, no bullshit. (And we get this access to a pro instructor for free!) waiting on the app though, sounds like I will be thrilled to start paying for your expertise!
Thanks for the pragmatic advice Mark. I'm 51, spent 30 years in the military, but never used clubs before. I'm sure I should be able to get them from an Australian Company called "Iron Edge"in kg equivalent weights. Kind regards Adam.
Another affordable hack to microload and bridge the gap between clubs ive found to work beautifully is using 5lb ankle weights, you can strap them on securely and adjust whether you want 1-5 additional pounds!
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Purchased a 15 lbs and 25 lbs RMAX (CST) based upon watching Wildman on this channel. Soooo happy I did. Love them and cannot recommend enough. Note, when I ordered, these were two of the only ones available so I didn't have much choice on size. A 15 lb is never going to be useless imo as you can do one handed stuff, etc. (eventually move to double 15's if you want) 25 lbs club feels more like 40 lbs if you were to just pick it up and guess. Not sure if he mentions in this video, but the RMAX are a good bit longer than onnit. Onnit is obviously a great company, but I'm glad I went w/ the original RMAX. Also, imo these clubs challenge grip more than kettlebells.
Would love to see a club workout routine for the quarantine.....
Hey Mark - on the intermediate weight clubs you mentioned (which don't exist): Here in Australia where I live we use the metric system, obviously, and they sell clubs typically in 2kg increments. Of particular relevance to your point: 8kg club = 17.6 pounds (which is nearly halfway between 15lb and 20lb) and 10kg club = 22lb (kinda halfway from 20lb to 25lb). I suppose there's a local retailer here who would ship to the USA if someone really wanted those intermediate weights. Thanks for your daily uploads during COVID - really useful.
what company?
Mark Wildman . White Lion Athletics in Winnipeg Canada sells the metric versions in both steel club and mace.
Canadian here, i can verify the quality of White Lion Athletics steel clubs. I purchased the 12kg club earlier this year and its awesome
That is why I love my Adex Clubs.. 3.5 to 25 pounds! With their new fractional 1.25 pound plates it gives me 18 different weight changes! Looking forward to getting their attachment to take it all the way to 45 pounds.. that will be a beast! Look forward too it.
Coach Wildman, ordered the Adex. At least 4 weeks out. Looking at buying a couple rubber coated Clubbell. They're out of 15 lb. Thinking about buying a 10# to warm up for the Adex. Then, maybe a 5 or 20. Or another 10. You mentioned Adex club was not much lever when lighter.
Thanks for the info Mark. Im going picking up a club after watching your videos, I never even considered using them prior to hearing you talk about them.
I first bought an 8kg club (which is 17.6 pounds by the way - so there is a midpoint between 15 and 20 pounds available) and bought a 6kg (13.2 pounds) this week for the Alternating 180 degree Pullover. That turned out to be a good move because I could not do the alternating pullover with correct form with the 8 kg. Today, I did the alternating pullover with the 6 kg for 10 minutes straight, 1 minute per side, and I could concentrate on the form rather than struggling with the weight. That said, it was still a substantial workout. A few more minutes and I would have been at failure on the left side.
I also did inside and outside circles left and right with the 8 kg for 10 minutes.
What I'm wondering now is how to track / program this sequence. What do people who know what they are doing use for this?
I was about to buy 8kgs...think I'll go 6!
Seems like you can help me a little bit with my decision whether i should buy a 6kg or 8kg.
I have been kettlebelling for a few weeks now (16kg get-up and 24kg swing). Now i am thinking about buying clubbells, but i am not sure if i should start with 6 or 8 (dont wanna buy both because i am a poor student). I made martial arts for 4 years and have some good basic muscles i would say but unknown to such movements.
Hope you can give me an insight or your opinion
@@schroedder5090 Maybe I can give you some insight. I bought a 6kg steel mace recently and use that as a stand-in for heavy clubs too (just choke up on the handle). My previous workout consisted of 300 two-handed swings and 30 get-ups with a 32kg kettlebell and 50 snatches and 50 clean and presses with a 24kg bell. Additionally I am training in Bagua (6 years) and Karate (18 years). I found 6kg on the mace to be enough.
I also didn't want to buy multiple new things so I chose the mace instead of the club. I think it offers more variety. The only thing you have to do is grip the mace in the middle of the handle and you have a fully functional club. Easy. Maybe I'll buy a club in the future but right now the mace is definitely the better choice for me.
Another great video. Thanks for continuing to share your knowledge and experience
Hey, love the channel! I recently got my first club before watching this video, and chose a 12 kg(26lb). Needless to say I can't do mokeuch one-handed with it unless I choke up my grip. White lion athletic here in Canada sells clubs in 2kg increments, so I'm looking at either a 6kg or 8kg next(13.2lbs/17.6lbs).
Thanks for all the quality videos!
I bought a 15 pounder some years back, opened the package, tried to lift it out horizontally and immediately thought that Rmax mistakenly sent me a heavier weight. You cannot equate clubbell weight to dumbbell weight.
Totally agree. My 25 lbs club feels easily like it's over 40 lbs if you were to pick it up and not know.
Yip done the same with my 8kg club
The first set I ever got were long handled 11 pounders. I thought it had to be at least 20. It was 11 spot on according to the bathroom. I'm a pretty stout guy and I had to be quite careful and slow with them to prevent hurting myself. It's one of the reasons I get kind of annoyed by him saying men SHOULD START with 15s. It just sounds like a good way for a less than cautious person to hurt themselves badly.
Same, I actually weighed it to be sure. Feels way heavier than 15.
Err on lower weight if you have injuries. It is not where you start but where you finish…
I lift, train martial arts, run and generally pretty strong guy, but I had to start with a 10 pounder!
Thanks for the video! I have two 15lb clubs for volume work and a 35lb club for 2 handed movements. Love your content!
I started with the 25. Damn. Doing all 2 hand movements. Great video. I always get so much out of your content. ✌🏻
Thank you
I started with 4 kg because I just want to use it to fix my right shoulder and flat feet, figured more volume would be the way to go.
For flat feet train and be barefooted most of the time. When walking let the your weight be handled by the front of the foot like when sprinting and lighter on the heel. Do calf lifts to strengthen your arches.
Programs please 🙏🏾. Take my 💸
Thanks Mark, love your videos
My instinct was to start with a 15lb club. It's funny how I've been into different kinds of fitness off and on for about 20 years and never had a single injury. I always listen to what more experienced athletes recommend and make my decisions after that. You do that long enough and you can assess the risk of just about anything without needing to consult with an expert. It's never hurts to get a second opinion though
Taking this suggestion with the thor Kettlebell as well. Thanks Mark
Bought a 45 off the start... wish I would have seen this before lol.
I'm 295lb judo player.
Just finding you, Mark. Thanks for all these great videos. I'm ready to move beyond the 1.5 and 2 lb clubs I've used for year. Excited.
Get an adex club system. Fat handle and start working your way up
I bought 6 kg, 10 kg and 15 kg. But i traded the 15 back to 12 kg because it felt to heavy during rotation. Biggest problems for me are elbow pain, pain in the hands and blisters. It is fun training though.
I get what you mean about starting light. I’m just doing basic double stick drills with my ironwood bastons, and I have to slowly build up my wrists and forearms. After a while, I can feel fatigue in my hands and wrists.
This video was super helpful man thanks so much.
Hey Mark - Any chance of you doing a video on single arm progressions and programs for clubs?
Brilliant information & explanation. Thank you
I just found a hammer in my garage and started do some of these movement it works fine I actually have different size’s of hammer so I continue with Them and se if it’s fun and if it is I might consider buy some Club Bell 😊
My first clubs were sledge hammers.
I'm a big strong dude lol just got my 15# club....... I'm glad I listened it's heavy!!!
I also just bought an 8kg club (I'm in Germany) still waiting for delivery but I made a 4kg one with a threaded nipple (filled with sand) with a metal clamp at the top. It's ugly, but it's great to practice with before the real thing comes.
Also, there's no way you didn't check the Thesaurus before saying "behoove"!
Awesome content as always, thank you.
Where did you buy it and is it rubber coated? The options to buy clubs, especially rubber coated ones, seem to be quite limited in Germany.
@@tobe3504 I bought it from Sport-Thieme on Amazon. It doesn't state if it's rubber-coated, but that wasn't an issue as we have rubber flooring.
@@crossfithammerschmiede Thanks for the reply. Have to keep looking then because apart from the floor issue, I remember Mark mentioning in an earlier video that he recommends the rubber coating for beginners to lessen the risk of a bad injury in case you clock yourself in the head by mistake.
@@tobe3504 I'll write back here and let you know when I receive it (if it's rubberised or not) That said, the fear of hitting ones' self is probably a good motivation to stay with a weight that we can handle until we get some proficiency!
2:05 great point
Really opened up.my shoulders with a 15 lb club. Butnow dealing with the elbow...some sort of impingement.
I got the 2 handed club course and the adex adjustable club. I trained with a group of professional arm wrestlers for 2+ years and realized that I need functional strength and have been working on that. 25 lb club is where I am at and I think 30 lbs would be too much. To be fair I've been swinging a weighted sledge hammer on my own.
Just for a frame of reference I have arm wrestled guys who powerlifting over 600 and claimed to lift over 800 lbs and crushed them slowly. I thought I would be able to do more for this workout. I was wrong lol.
I wonder how well Mark would do arm wrestling. Haha I think he would destroy most local pros in his weight class.
It's true I felt so many more muscle working using the clubs
I started with a 20lb. That was dumb. Moved down to a 15 before then going up and getting heavy.
It travels much much different than a mace. Or a kb. Shield casts and mills really sucked until I could rehearse with the 15lb a bunch
I bought a 12 Kg (26lb) club bell on a whim with very little knowledge of what club bells are all about. I was regularly working out with 24kg and 32kg (52 & 70lb) kettlebells so I figured that 12kg was nothing. I was wrong. So wrong. 12Kg is heavier than you think in that format!
Thanks
Great information and advice!
Thank you.
I’m on the 9t9 website now, great timing! Ps are you going to continue your basic human series?
In going through your whole back catalogue of videos.right now focusing on the mace transitions. I've made my own 4.5 kg mace and padded it so I won't break anything important like my face.
I've also made a 4 5 kg club that's "adjustable" meaning I can just weld on more re bar to add more weight. I really appreciate your professional approach to the training and your methodical work. That's why I'm confused by your recommendation of starting with 15 pounds. I'm fairly strong but if i mess up an inward shield cast with my off hand I feel the potential for messing up my shoulder. I can't imagine starting with 7kg and messing that up I think that would be a very bad day and end training for a while if not forever.
I've been training with maces for a couple years now, and am considering adding clubs to my gym. I've run through pretty much all of Mark's mace content over that time, step by step. I'm currently doing single-arm mace work with a 15lb mace (e.g. single-arm 360s, circles, coin flips, millls, etc) and two handed work with a 20 and 25 lb mace (25lb 360s are still a lot, I'm not doing those for minutes at a time, but I can do them for reps with good technique.
Given that, would you suggest skipping directly to a 20lb club - my assumption is that the mace has a longer lever-arm so given that I can do 15lb mace work, a 15 lb club would be "easier". Or am I missing the point that I'm having to start over with club skills so should start at 15 anyway?
I'm also considering the Adex adjustable club, which answers my question a different way anyway!
Love your channel, Mark, it's transformed my own fitness, as well as teaching me enough to pass that onto my friends - I've now got 3 buddies who join me weekly in the garage gym to toss maces and kettlebells around.
Glad I started watching your videos two or three months ago as I had some 10 and 15 pound clubbells that hadn't been used much since I got them 10 or 15 years ago. I mostly did arm casts with them, but I'm finding the circular movements are good for resolving some muscle imbalances I have. Thanks for that.
Have you looked at the Adex clubs? As you have mentioned I like having the rubberized covering for the Scott Sonnon clubbells, but since I live in an apartment in New York I am wondering if having a single adjustable club might be good for filling out the rest of the weights and save some space.
I use a 12kg mace and can do your 4
Minute shield cast exercise. Maybe the 20lb I could start with?
1. Anyone who says "start with this" and then spends the next 6 minutes talking about how to use them and finishes with "take my advice, start with this", means it and has probably seen what happens if you don't follow that advice.
2. Extra points for using the word 'behoove'.
I have been clubbing since 1998. I have a youtube channel only 50 subs but that's ok. I live what I teach and practice what I preach
Stumbled on your channel, have you any golfers using these exercises? I could see this great for golf strength training
Thanks so much!
Thanks for this video for those of us who you inspired to get started with clubs! Along the same lines, what weights would you recommend for starting out with steel maces? Thanks!
10, 15.
@@MarkWildman Thanks!!!
Great info in all your videos - but finding a club workout - ie / which exercises - reps - duration - would be sweet if you provided a basic format for a club wod
Love your videos. I just subscribed. Should I start with a 10lb club? I don't think they were available at the time you made this video.
Hi! I found out your channel just at the beginning of the pandemic. I always saw some clubs on a couple gyms i went to and never understood the point, you changed my mind and i bought some as soon as possible. I think the ones that i bought are full iron so i have to be carefull around the house. Got a pair of 2.5k and 5k since as far as i understood was a good progression, and also got the 10k one for double arm at the end. So on my little knowledge of weighlift i came up with a little workout with the club excercises you have on your club list, i had like 0% strenght on my hands and at the beginning i ended up with my hands so sore, but almost 2 months in and im finally getting the hang of it. Im 90% sure i havent figured out the way you do programs, i think in some videos you talk about 1 move for 10min and that should be a workout, i dont know if that means 6 movements for 60min or really just 1 per day, i get a lot of questions on how do you cover everything or how you do kettlebell one day and club another so... it would be awesome if you could help us showing us at least a very basic workout day (or week) just to have an idea of the kind of regime you are suggesting, and also apply it, obviously. Thanks by the way for the awesome knowledge you share with us!
In his live streams he has mentioned that he is coming out with some pretty lengthy programming. He just did a live stream yesterday and it was pretty good
@@torynichols2413 oh! well i didnt know about the livestreams, i usually cant see stuff like that, i mostly "hear" and take peaks of the videos while working. But if hes already on it, then is justa a matter of time, pretty cool!
I can ohp 100kg have good sholder mobility, I bought a 6kg/12lbs club... Coming back from a shoulder injury
Love your videos I recently got a 15 pounder partly because I've been watching your videos for a few weeks and wanted to add something to my kettlebell and bodyweight workout. So far I think I'm doing well with it.
Are there any benefits to using two clubs of the same weight together? I don't think I've seen you use two but I see it a lot on RUclips.
If one happened to be poor and will likely be remaining so for the foreseeable future, would fashioning a weapon with a stick and striking component at the top suffice for these movements or would that be too different of a dynamic?
Explain more? Striking a target? I have so many ideas
@@MarkWildman Well I have this half length broomstick that I play around with, mostly seeing how much speed and power I can get in a short jab like snap from behind the ear to about 4/5 feet infront of me. I can feel it doing some magic on my wrist and elbow. If I attached something heavy to the end would it be suitable for these flowing type movements you are making or would the weight being at the end be kind of cheating?
After reading those comments I’m going to totally ignore his advice and go for a lighter club! Maybe start with a 10 lb club I think. God, I feel so grown up! 😅
I got interested in club bell training because of the functional strength aspects. Why are they so expensive though?!?!?
Why buy 3 clubs? Why not get one adjustable club?
So for us metric folks would the recommendation be 8kg / 10kg / 12kg?
that could work. might want a 6 in there as well
@MarkWildman yep. After testing inside and outside circles with 4kg and 8kg hard style kettlebells I’m following your advice and am starting w a 6kg club bell. Will see how that goes. Thx Mark.
Hello, Mark, would you consider a pair of 6kgs, a single 10kg and a single 12kg the best "buy once, cry once" weight options?
I'm asking because I plan to buy them all at once, due to shipping costs to my country being very absurd if I only buy a single heavy item at once.
Hi Mark. Great videos as always. I have my first 2 handed club. What are the first exercises I need to learn please?
Squat
Side to side swing
Dead clean
Step back lunge
Shield cast
Swing clean
Circle
@@MarkWildman Marvellous. Thank you sir. Much obliged
4:46 jokes on you - in Europe they're all measured in Kilograms so I can get a 17.5lb club because that's basically 8Kg's 😁
Do you have a video comparing heavy club vs maces?
i do not but that's a great idea
I live in New Zealand and I am buying my club from Australia. We use metric, so should I start with a 6 kg (13.23 pounds) or the 8 kg (17.64 pounds) club? I was thinking of going with the 6...
Probably 6
Essential movements I should learn for clubs?
Mark has a playlist for those.
Mark I got a 6kg club to start (13.22pounds). Its simple solid cast iron as I could not get the American ones to the UK. I am generally sweaty so in order to make my grip better as I am beginning to get into clubbells, I applied tennis grip tape to it. Can you tell me if that is a bad idea?
EDIT: Yeap realised its a bad idea! Got blisters in my thumb and index.
I bought 15's and regret it. These are too heavy for me to doubles with. I'd say probably 99.9 percent of all people can get a great workout with 10's, which I also just purchased. Just to be sure, I bought 5's also.
Do 2 hand and singles
@@MarkWildman I didn't know u looked at the comments, let alone responded. Wowsers. Hey happy to meet you, man. Love your work. Ben Patrick basically sent me over this way. I'm probably gonna be a familiar face and ask a ton of questions.
Cool.
Ask away
Great video! Thank you! =)
Do you think it's better to buy and adjustable Club rather than a 24kg KB?
I already have a 16kg and I work on alternate days with it doing 20 minutes complexes and I've become very proficient with it, so I was looking for an heavier one.
Talking about bringing up intensity in my week training, on the other days I work with a mace and I implement some GPP work (neck, calf, tibs, etc) but I was wondering if it's better to focus on going heavy on throwing patterns since for me KB movements are easier.
I think an adjustable club is a must. I think an adjustable kb is a must as well
Wildman adjustable bell from bells of steel gets you 12 kg to 32 in 1/2 kg incriments. 41 weights. Therefore you can never hit the end of training
I understood the equation..i feel delighted n embarrassed at the same time...😋
15 it is. 👍
I think it you have wrist or shoulder issues you need to start lighting.
Which should 1 start with? if they have never worked with a club or mace. I have been thinking of just getting Adex mace to start with.
I have recently been doing a lot of work with a steel mace and have been loving it, great change of pace from traditional barbell stuff. I can move a 20 pound mace around relatively well, would you still recommend starting with the 15 pound club?
I have a 15 lb mace and a 15 lb club. I feel like I could definitely go heaver for 360s/10 to 2s with the mace. But single-arm exercises with the club get tiring pretty fast.
Do I need/benefit a lot from clubs if I have started a made bell workout?
Clubs benefit everyone. I think everyone should train them
a late heads up for @markwildman: Gorilla Sports lists 8kg club (17.6lbs)....
Hello Mark,
Do you have now, or will you be producing programs to progress from beginner, with the proper sequencing of heavy club exercises? I would pay for this instruction.
doing with 16kg kettlebell with HALO, swing snatch, clean and press.. what Club weight should I start with?
Never used clubbells before. No shoulder issues. Bench press (for whatever it’s worth as a measure of upper body strength) is high intermediate. Should I still start with a 15 lb bell or should I play it safe and get a 10 lber?
a 15 should probably be fine or get an ADEX adjustable club and get all the weights.
Hey Mark, show us and explain about Indian mace exercises, What is the difference with Indian maces?
Indian maces or Indian clubs?
Hi Mark, in Europe clubs are not so easy to find, impossible at the moment with the pandemic, almost like kettle bells, how can clubs be replaced by dumbbells?
Hi there, actually difficult to get the clubs. Which size should the 15 pound one have? Is 16 inch OK? The ones from Marc look longer...
budget being a problem I am unsure if I should purchase a macebell or club to start? I have some shoulder, tennis elbow issues. I read that the Macebells would be a good buy for such problems?
Any advice is appreciated. Thank you and great videos!
Adex Wildman adjustable club.
Hi Mark, what do you think about Adex adjustable clubs? Although I don't think I can get them here in the UK yet.
What's the best light impact kind of work outs? I use to be at the gym every day about 4 years ago but had a kid and got into very labor intensive work. Trying to get at it I noticed my joints and injuries I've gotten in latest years have really taken its toll. I've seen resistance bands but would like to know about other options
How well does macebell work translate to clubs? I’ve been using maces for years and currently use rogue 16kg with ease. What weight would I start with?
Are these recommendations for single arm or two arm?