@@kermitlegrof550 Its called saving up money until you have enough for the latest high end GPU that just came out when you finish saving $800 dumbass. I saved over $900 over 2 years and then the Radeon VII came out of nowhere and I bought that. Been using Fury X for 2 years before.
@Justin Edwards im broke as fuck too. Saved up money over a year and half to get $800. Save $10 or maybe $20 every week. Shit aint hard. Dont buy fucking $6 starbuck coffee or $1.75 bag of chips or $2 soda. All that crap adds up over time in a span of 1 month could be $50-$100 saved up. Tired people bitching about high end gpu price from people who will never buy them or is not targeted consumer who buys mid range or low end. Yeah it seems you are bitching too, sending multiple replies that should be in 1 comment instead spreading it out like a dickhead.
@@InimicusSolitus there are few more, like randomgaminginhd and the other guy(forgot the name) that are doing ultra-low budget also ozzy is doing it too some times...
I think the vega’s were the most underrated cards I managed to pick up a mining vega56 for 230US shipped off eBay, then got an eiswolf cooler for it for 70 so 300 all in I flashed the 64LC bios on it and got it to 1710 core and 1120 hbm and it scores 26k in firestrike That beats my 1080... for 300 bucks
@@FrameChasers exactly what I'm thinking of doing. Except they are all more expensive in England and water blocks are none existent, except from aliexpress
@@benclimo461 u sir have not learned how to use google.... do you really think that like for me here in norway i use waterblocks made and sold in norway ? no i order mine from UK .... www.aquatuning.co.uk/water-cooling/gpu-water-blocks/gpu-full-cover/eisblock-gpx/?p=1
"I think the vega’s were the most underrated cards" No they weren't. They sold out immediately then their prices jumped 20 - 50% the next day and then ramped all the way up to 80 - 100% more.
YES! YES! YES! Best GPU. I found a new VEGA 56for only CHF 386.- AWESOME! Undervolting and BIOS Mod and there you go you beat the 1070 by a lot and come close to a 1080 non ti Ray...what? NV will ship some new Cards but from what i heard they are not using that new thingie thing Ray... something. Like with Phys-X better wait. TIMMY JOE ROCKS!!! I really really hope you can get a Radeon VII that Monster Card with that 7nm Chip and HBM2 to the MAX!!! PCI-E 4.0 Glorious
LOL Man Phys-X ... They should make dedicated Ray Tracing cards lololol, I am assuming Vega Vii is gonna be hard to get, both as a reviewer and a consumer, I will try my best!
You can EASILY get a 1080 for 300$ used. 1080 TIs for 375-400$, 1070s are only 200$ used on Craigslist or on Facebook Market. Used GPUs are the way to go...can get them even cheaper if someone mined with them because people have this retarded idea that if someone mined with a card it's worth less and doesn't game as good but that's not true AT ALL.
@@TimmyJoePCTech I've just pulled the trigger on a Gigabyte Oc Vega 56, 275 euro shipping included. I was tired to wait for the Navi and I was not sure if my LG 34um68 3440x1440 is compatible with the Pascal ones. I hope I've made the right choice, especially bicause my rx480 was unable to sustain that resolution.
bought a XFX Vega 64 for $290 USD in november on /r/hardwareswap. Ran super hot at first but thanks to the new auto under volting in AMD Adrenalin runs great just a bit loud under load.
If its a dual fan version check that the thermal paste in the HBM is making contact with the cooler. I bought one brand new and the thermal paste on the HBM was not touching the cooler.
Love the vega! I have the vega 56 water cooled flashed with a 64 bios running at 1662 mhz core and 1075 memory. Its very fast and under water cooling stays nice and cool! Amazing part!
Did you over clock and Under volt at all? I was able to snag a 6 month old MSI Vega 56 Airboost OC for $217.50 shipped and then snagged the EK Block for it for another $75 shipped, so under $300 total. I only game at 1080p so I'm set for a long time to come. The used deals in the US are insane right now and anyone thinking of going Vega I highly recommend Reference style cards as the Water Blocks for them have a high availability as well...
Nice work! Now I want something to drive my next TV at 4k but freesync will probably only work at 1080 on them, so solid 1080 gaming is really the thing. And I reckon you really are set!
@@Harrock For a normal Version of the Vega 64 you need 750W and for the Limited Edition of the Vega 64 from Sapphire you need 850W to keep your System stable.
Love your channel music lol, and the way it slowly fades in towards the end of the videos! Also, RE2 demo runs much better for me in dx11 on my vega 56, 15fps+ @1440p. Look forward to what you can do with your 64 under water. Good luck and have fun! :D
Very happy with my Vega 64. Fitted an EKWB copper water block and back plate. Flashed the BIOS for the water cooled version. I run it at 1440p on an ultrawide free-sync monitor. Happy days!
While true as of yet still, the faster the GPUs we throw at it and while still limited by DX11 in the vast majority of the times, 4K is going to become CPU limited soon. 1440p has already become CPU limited.
@@raresmacovei8382 idk just saw an fx8350 in 4k with 980ti did not bottleneck the card at all was amazing. ps nevermind your right looks like around 60fps in 4k is when some CPUs start bottlenecking again
Love your channel Timmy. I've been rocking a gigabyte vega 64 for some time now and it's awesome. I'm running it on a 32 inch 144p 144hz panel and get over a 100 fps on most AAA's titles with a few tweaks.
I got my Vega 56 for $370 Canadian last week. Sapphire reference design, Samsung memory, bios flashed to Vega 64. Undervolted and running amazingly. An incredible value at that price, running 75 fps in 1440p in most of my games. It's a great time to buy these!
@@conandude76 Actually, it runs universally better in DX11 with no graphical difference. It runs much better with DX11 than DX12 on Pascal, Polaris, Vega, Turing, etc. I have a 1080 Ti and a Vega 64, can confirm it's roughly the same for either.
I bought a new Vega 64 (Gigabyte model) for 360€ (400$), it's a really great value for the money, I can game with it at 3440x1440 without trouble at ultra settings. The only downside is the power consumption, after the purchase of the vega, I bought a Corsair TX850M in order to be able to run my AMD FX 8350 at 4.8GHz and Vega64. My old 650w PSU just couldn't handle it, even without OC and Undervolted :(
You're one of the few Tech Tubers that actually hasn't gushed over the RTX line, especially the 2060. And has brought up the atrocious price to performance and crooked naming schemes that Nvidia has been doing. Those Vega cards are tempting, but I'm gonna hold out for Navi, and better power consumption. Of course if Navi is a flop, or is priced like RTX, then I'm just sticking with my RX 580 at 1080p resolution, for a few more years.
Bought a Vega 64 for $399 on Black Friday 2 months ago and it came with 3 games re2, division 2, and Devil May Cry. All my games run fantastic on a 1440p Widescreen monitor. Just installed RE2 and it looks and runs awesome.
Scooped up a couple Sapphire Pulse Vega 56 w Samsung HBM for $350 CDN a piece. Not all games support crossfire well but they are undervolting like champs and the memory clocks to 1050 with some registry hacks instead of bios flashing. Glad you are making a video about this, I feel like I'm doing the same stuff as you just not making videos to pay for my hobby.
I have a Vega 64 the MSI OC Air Boost. Bought it just after Christmas for $350 new on sale shipped. No regrets, I play at 1440p and on a 144hz FreeSync. I’m probably going to buy a 2080 though only because I want to play BF 5 on Ultra at higher framerates. In order to get 100 fps on the Vega I need to turn settings down to a Mix of Ultra, High and Medium. Vega 64 is a great card for $350-400. I’ve been trying to find that water block too, bummer... they are no where to be found. If you decide not to use it, can I buy the block from you?
I know it's not the same but you can buy them off of aliexpress that's made by a different company. People still report good things about them. That's what I may do if I get the card.
@@cardbored_ it's not an off brand one that I've never heard of before, it's done by barrow and another company as well. A lot of people say one of them very much looks like ek lol. They both do have good reviews though. Being in England, I haven't been able to see any ek water blocks for vega at all, so this might be the only option.
He might have just forgot to plug it in when he put it back together. I did that when I in-water cooled my 1080’s. I forgot to plug in the logo light and had to pull it apart and put it back together again. Big pain in the ass that doesn’t change performance he probably just didn’t want the hassle.
Super excited to see a Canadian winter cooled 64. I have been looking into buying a 56 myself and doing bios mods and water cooling it and all that. But first I MUST learn as much as I can. Totally a newb at the whole bios changing thing. Keep up the awesome content Timmy Joe!
I just got a Vega 56, and literally two days later won a RTX 2060... Kinda wanna keep the 2060 because I won it so that makes it special... Depends on if it works with my Freesync monitor. I'm sorry AMD, forgive me 😔
@@HisNameIsRobertPaulson01 No, I haven't received it, but Nvidia did contact me and I sent them the proper paperwork. The promo goes until Jan 31 so you have some time. Best of luck! And I'd rather sell the 56 because I'm using 1080p with some extra resolution scale if I can. I think by the time 6gb vram becomes severely limited the card will probably be obsolete anyway. Also the HBM on my 56 is kind of ass 🤷♂️
Picked up a 2 month old Sapphire Vega 56 pulse for $285. Runs like a champ. With +50% power limit, 1050mv undervolt, and +3% overclock it's right on the heals of my old 1080 for a little over half what I sold my 1080 for.
If you do the water cooled Vega I would strongly recommend flashing the liquid cooled bios at least. Vega 64 runs into power limits at stock voltages and clocks (which is why undervolting gets you big performance gains). You can also mess with powerplay tables to increase the power limit to where you will need to be. Hbm clocks are very temperature dependent so the rad out of the window will help a lot there and performance scales very well with hbm overclocks. Maybe show an undervolt/overclock on the stock blower and show the results. I gained nearly 18% more performance on my blower card while using 50 watts less power than stock.
Nice video. In Nov. i bought a RX Vega 64 that had only been used for 4 months by a husband / wife that game together but the wife's work schedule changed and she couldn't game as much as before so they decided to sell the Vega 64 she had used for gaming. I got it for $350. Been happy with the performance. I am curious as to how The Navi cards are gonna perform compared to the RX Vega's.
For me, surprisingly, Dx12 ran better than dx11, only difference was, Dx11 had a higher maximum fps, but had alot more drops below 60. but thats just me there
Great Video thanks You had me all happy when I seen the prices in the video I was like omg hitting the $322 mark nice. SO I go to the website and get to the video cards page and the prices were like $479 & up. Then I realized you were on the USA website so I go there and yep $322 for a Vega 56. Still $479CAD for a Vega 56 card and $549CAD for a Vega 64 is not to shabby either. If I was going to get a Vega I would probably hop on the Power Color Red Dragon Vega 56 @$479CAD and then clock the heck out of it to get it to Vega 64 stock or a bit better than V64 stock performance. I hear the Vega 56 really jumps up performance wise with a healthy memory over clock.
lol no, it does not use 13.69 gb. Only the menu thinks that... and I also thinks that many GPUs have 0gb vram. RE2 does not even need 8gb for 4k maxed and maxed textures. If I had a tin foil hat I'd say they did this to sell VII's to people who dont know better.
i got my sapphire pulse vega 56 for 300 bux u.s like 6 months ago and it is by far the best gaming card you can get according to other reviews and my own personal benchmarks there isn't anything i cannot play and it look fantastic! glad too see your going the smart route and getting away from them green assholes love your show much prolly my fav tuber to watch!!! also will send you some tubes too if you can get em!
@@itsneight1260 In my experience their drivers have improved to the point they're better than NVidia's for stability. they still have a way to go in terms of feaures and launch performance of new GPUs but they have definitely been working hard to make their drivers good.
got a Vega 56 new at Christmast for $499 Canadian and it came with 3 games RE Remastered, Division 2 and Devil May Cry 5 ...very happy with the cards runs 1440p like a boss and 4K is more than "playable" 45 fps is fine for me as long as there isn's spikes
@@armando1is1great maybe but I have problems with the 6gb of vram. Some games the performance drops like a brick when the game needs more than 6gb of vram.
@TurboCMinusMinus true but 8gb is enough for 1440p. I have problems with some games @ 1080p that's crazy. Rtx 2060 is more powerful than 980ti and it has only 6gb. What is nvidia thinking. And the 2080 with 8gb is a problem as well. Radeon 7 16gb that's the future but the price pff
Upgraded from a GTX1060 6GB to a Sapphire Vega 64 Nitro+, haven't yet built the new system yet but I'm very excited to get it up and running, should hopefully be a nice performance increase at 5760×1080
I love my saphire nitro+ vega 64. I won the silicon lotto with that. Overclocked under volt monster crushing my friends 1080 and 2060. Paid $399.99 New.
what makes this card more enticing to buy on top of the price being even not to bad on New Egg Canada! at 554$ CAD which is 425$ USD or so.. for a new Vega 64 you get 3 triple A games with it and in CAD those games add up to 240$ so that's a win for all PC gamer's and the card will crush all of those games! and Timmy Joe you urged me to subscribe! Cheers from B.C Canada!
You should try doing some undervolting & overclocking with it, at the moment it's underperforming by a lot, they all do it, even the non-reference Vega's do it out of the box. In the video It's running anywhere from 1150mhz to 1450mhz depending on the game so it has a lot of room left in the tank. With some undervolting & overclocking you should be able to get it to sit at around 1600mhz.
Mission Report: Nvidia's Brain washing technique has been successfully executed on weaker minds. Indocrinated Subjects are are considering RTX 2060 as better value at $350.
I like Timmy Joe but I cringed when I heard it. I honestly feel like this card is meant for smooth 1440p gaming. Get a high refresh rate going and enjoy the sweet buttery feel of freesync at 144hz.
I've seen the standard blower cooler style V64 cards for around $400 now. But not so much on the 3rd party cards that have crazy cooling. But I love my Vega 64 and haven't had a time where I said I wish I had more power.!
I've been running Asus RoG RX 580 (8GB each, in Crossfire Pair) for 3 months. I hartily endorse the configuration, it's proven, more than capable. Far better than my last HOME build, on a LGA2011v3, with SLI'd MSI GTX 980 ti's. Both builds were/are Core i7's. the LGA2011v3 was X chip, the current is the 8086K. So it's likely they're both pretty decently bin'd CPU's. Although the architecture is considerably different, RAM pretty much the same, I did switch to Corsair Pro series memory modules. Still DDR4, 3200 in place of 2400, nominal advantage. In any event, the Firestrike, PCMark & CB scores do exceed GTX 1080 ti range for single card scores. Although I do a decent number of customer builds the last Dual Card was another MSI 980 (non-ti) from the beginning of last year! So, I'm hoping to prove a point to someone, although, it's MOST likely, I'm the ONLY one that isn't "Green-Eye'd" with NV~dia... ;} Thanks you MAD-MAN for your advice, there maybe a Vega X in my home builds future. Keep up the good work, I'll catch you on Patreon!
@@EvilTurkeySlices read some reviews before you comment. Reference 2060 is basically identical performance overall vs Vega 64. www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_RTX_2060_Gaming_Z/32.html
I have a pair of furyX's that I picked up broken (separate transactions) for a buck&a quarter each. Both instances I was POSITIVE that the cooler was the issue. Grabbed a couple waterblocks on ebay and *BAM* Fury(cf)X water cooled for $400!!!
The car driving by at 3:38, lol. Love your vids man, when I want real info (not paid people to hype up products, no matter how they preform) I come here. I was dead set on a 2060 before this video, now I'm not sure. Thanks lol
A Blower card seriously? And no it's not a good buy especially not for $350 i'd love to know what you're smoking because for that price u get a brand new 2060 which has the same performance as a vega 64 is less power hungry(almost 100w less) and now can even use freesync on it so it's a big no no. Go for it if u can get it for $300
@@mpk6664 Where? www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=vega+64&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1 look at the auctions that are ending soon www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_Auction=1&_nkw=vega+64&_sop=1 there's no way you can get a vega 64 for $225
What you can do is get a Vega 56 HMB2 version (Triple fan Powercolor version going for 280 on eBay) and flash it with the Vega 64 bios. Then it’ll be ~10-20% faster than a 2060 for 70 bucks less. I find that to be an attractive deal, and if I had a better CPU to match I would’ve pulled the trigger on that weeks ago
@@Assault0137 How will it be 10-20% faster when the 2060 is already 7% faster than the 56? The Vega 64 surely isn't 20% faster than the 56? i.imgur.com/g6o6ZdS.jpg www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3427-nvidia-rtx-2060-founders-edition-review-benchmark-vs-vega-56
If you care about those things sure.. If you care about 4k and having enough ram for mods then vega 64 makes more sense. You really don't need aa at 4k and rt gimps performance.
@@bluegod1695lol 4k gimps performance too, don't hear anybody complain about that tho I wonder why that is, is it because we accept a performance drop at 4k knowing its heavy on resources and if so why do we have a hard time accepting the performance hit with RT when we know how tough that is to run too. quite frankly id take the performance hit with RT and enjoy the extra detail rather than take the performance hit with 4k knowing I have to reduce details in order to run 4k and then you have a super clean image to highlight all those reduced quality settings, niiice. if your care about 4k the vega 64 makes no sense at all! timmy joe might make 40fps sound glamourous but he skips over the fact at 40fps frame timings are all over the place, it stutters, tears, control response takes a hit, mouse response feels extended, its not a 4k card unless you drastically reduce settings and try to hit that locked 60fps and by then whats the point because your just making the game clearer to see those reduced settings even more. good 4k performance starts at the 1080ti and even that struggles a lot of the time, I know I had one and upgraded to 2080ti.
2060’s looks decent at first glance undoubtedly but if you dig lil deeper you’ll find the biggest NO NO for that card which is priced at 350 usd is, it only has 6 GB memory what that mean is, in long term it’s a poor investment because how gaming industry is slowly pushing 8 GB VRAM for High/Ultra now that same requirement down 8-15 months in future on similar resolution likely be for High/Medium settings meaning if you try to play games on 2060 at that time in future there’s maximum chance it will start to bottleneck or have stuttering issues due to limited resources available to meet those settings.
You don't even need to play RE2 at 4k resolution... Use 1080p and crank the sample to 150% or 200%. The darkness and TAA will blur much of the jaggies anyways and I don't think you need to see things pixel perfect in a horror game. And you actually don't need maxed settings, you actually get some visual bugs if you crank the reflections up.
Vega 64 is 2070 performance, especially after undervolting. Might be close to a 2080 with that waterblock.
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@@exe16 Seem like Vega64 is indeed faster than the RTX 2060: ruclips.net/video/Pa8AmB4wmAQ/видео.html And indeed so is the RTX 2070. But the RTX 2070 is just a tiny bit faster, sure it doesn't cost much more either so it's not like there's no reason to buy it, I guess one reason to buy it could be if one want the higher VRAM amount, like comparing 2060 and 2070 to 1060 3 GB and 1060 6 GB for the previous generation. They are very similar. I won't really bother all that much with which of the models since they are pretty much the same. Also I don't know if the prices are even the same. I'll check cheapest Swedish prices: 3949 SEK RTX 2060 3990 SEK Vega 56 4890 SEK Vega 64 5666 SEK RTX 2070 So the RTX 2060 and the Vega 56 cost the same and of course the Vega 56 will be somewhat slower than the Vega 64 so likely very similar gaming performance for old titles but then the RTX 2060 also do support the ray-tracing, DLSS regardless of whatever you think about it, even Ansel and GameWorks if you care, I assume it pull less power, by now both support Adaptive-Sync. So why except because you want to financially support AMD would you buy the Vega 56 for games? For productivity / computing / mining purposes maybe it serves one but for any gamer the price isn't good as the product is a slightly worse product than the RTX 2060. Clearly one could get a Vega 64 for 13% lower price than the 2070. Seem here like the Vega64 may on average outperform the RTX 2070 (selective choice of titles or just how it is?) ruclips.net/video/RzOuIbIIsQE/видео.html So I guess the Vega64 isn't completely without merits at that price point, a bit faster at old/current games and slightly cheaper, then again the RTX 2070 likely pull less power, make less noise, support ray tracing, DLSS, gameworks, ansel, shield, g-sync if that is of any interest. So, I guess I should rephrase that into buying the Vega 56 instead of the RTX 2060 making no sense for gamers who care about their own rather than AMDs performance and not really say anything about the Vega 64 but if I were to do so compare it to the RTX 2070 instead and ask people to think about whatever it would be worth it to pay a bit more for the RTX 2070 and get a card which support more features. Power consumption in BF1, www.anandtech.com/show/13762/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-founders-edition-6gb-review/14: 2060: 322 watt 2070: 342 watt Vega 56: 386 watt 2080: 395 watt Vega 64: 461 watt
@ No one would buy an rtx card so easily if they can't use It's features at full potential. For me I'm just gonna have to wait more for that feature of the rtx to be useful in game. Probably Nvidia will do something again about Ray tracing to be useful later on regardless of the price.
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@@pauloazuela8488 You can use it to it's full potential. The potential may not be where you want it to be but then you shouldn't buy any computer parts whatsoever because they all could be better and that would be nice so better don't buy any. RTX is useful. Just a few people have the cards though and just one(?) title is out yet.
RTX isn't "useful" by any stretch of the word, its a gimmick at this point. Later on with more adoption it may be the new "must have" feature, but right now I want high FPS and good enough graphics.
Agreed, I grabbed an ASUS Strix Vega 56 a few months ago for $500 AUD...which is about $350 USD used but for something that has 1070TI performance for $200 AUD less is a no brainer.
True enough, got two Vega 64’s XFX special edition’s from OCN 3 days ago for 300$ a pop. Plus, you can mod software and the board so easy it’s practically free money. Side note, idk why you are rough on Vega 7, give them a month and I’m sure you’ll see bios seal it’s value.
Bought a 980ti used for 220$. It plays pretty much everything easily at 1440p or even 4k when overclocked. The Performance of the Card is still somewhere in between Vega 56 and 64 but apart from the 6GB of VRam the Card is just great for the price. Btw. Even all the VR titles i own that are Graphically intense run at over 90fps on highest settings.
Clocks seem really low on that card, I know its a blower cooler but still. You would probably see better performance if you undervolted it a bit. So it doesn't get as hot and throttle. Also I've heard that Riva Tuner on the Vega cards actually has a performance impact, not sure if its true but you can test it if you want. Anyway, good video as always!
I got my Vega 56 for $700 CND back then. It still holds up today. I might want to pick up another one to crossfire them. Ive seen performance for crossfire Vega 56 to be comparable to RTX 2070.
I managed to pick up a vega 64 for my htpc on Ebay a month back for $295, amazing value at that price, with an undervolt it's over 25k in firestrike which is on par with a 2070. Also, it looks like you were using stock clocks in the video, but even just toggling it to turbo mode in the wattman software in the driver can give you around 3-5% and it improves lows.
I got mine last Christmas and It 4k games great. But you're right it struggles with some games to hit a locked 60fps. But with more tweaking uv/oc and game customization you can get there. Radeon 7 will give you 15-27% improvement over what you are getting now. So a locked 4k\60 is where it's at. But I may wc mine if not VII, because I gotta get me one. It is going to be the fastest gpu AMD will have this year. Navi is for the mid-range and won't be a 4k\60 kinda card.
I've been looking to build a PC this year and I know I'm getting the Ryzen 3600 but I've been undecided on a video card, was looking at a 1660Ti maybe, but yesterday I find an online retailer selling new Sapphire Vega 56 for less than I can get a 1660Ti for and with a Vega 56 you can get more like RTX2060 performance. It's looking like a no brainer right now, that's a crazy good deal!
Got a new vega 56 for $300 and it performs a lot better in vr benchmarks compared to my now replaced r9 290 tri-x. (119 fps for r9 vs 181 for vega in orange room vr benchmark at stock settings for each).
It's going to be stupid cold next week so that'll be the perfect time to use your radiator water cooler set up again. I'm looking to upgrade my Asus gl702zc to a Acer predator Helios 500 which has the Vega 56, cuz I'd like to be able to play Assassin's Creed Odyssey nearly maxed out at 1440p freesync ultra-wide. The RX 580 on the Asus doesn't really step up to the challenge. Windows updates causing computers to ramp up since 1980- something. and that's my thing too, with adaptive sync, I'm more than happy to play between 45 and 75 frames a second oh, if I could crank out the graphics to the highest possible. I like enjoying open world games and being able to just stop and look at the scenery kind of like what you can do in Odyssey.
If it hasn't already been done; the R9 Fury series are worth a look as well. Got an r9 Fury for less than $200 USD and there isn't much I can't run @ 1080p max settings; even with it being used in a GPU enclosure.
If I can't afford the vega 64, should I settle for the 56? I'm upgrading from a GTX 650 Ti 2Gb, and I'm mostly looking at AMD cards due to the game bundle. It's either an MSI Vega 56 Air boost (+DMC5, REEEE2, and Div2,) or the GTX 1660 Ti. If you guys have recommendations between the two let me know.
Go for the vega. The GTX 1660ti is decent but doesnt beat the value and performance of the vega 56. As long as you keep cool enough it should serve you very well.
The rtx series has resurrected Vega, 2 years later.
Finewine®
Finewine shows its colours when NVIDIA fucks up. So almost all the time.
dxfxct even when Nvidia doesn’t mess up, fine wine takes hold.
@@EvilTurkeySlices agreed. Just wanted to drag nvidia through the waters a little more.
dxfxct they do deserve it.
@@EvilTurkeySlices nvidia is expensive but still they have done impressive things in terms of technology
I bought my red devil vega 64 4 months ago when i was washing dishes at a 4 star restaurant. Love my card.
amen
It should carry you over for a while!
@@sparda9060 not everybody has 800 bucks for a card that will be outdated in a year...
@@kermitlegrof550 Its called saving up money until you have enough for the latest high end GPU that just came out when you finish saving $800 dumbass. I saved over $900 over 2 years and then the Radeon VII came out of nowhere and I bought that. Been using Fury X for 2 years before.
@Justin Edwards im broke as fuck too. Saved up money over a year and half to get $800. Save $10 or maybe $20 every week. Shit aint hard. Dont buy fucking $6 starbuck coffee or $1.75 bag of chips or $2 soda. All that crap adds up over time in a span of 1 month could be $50-$100 saved up. Tired people bitching about high end gpu price from people who will never buy them or is not targeted consumer who buys mid range or low end. Yeah it seems you are bitching too, sending multiple replies that should be in 1 comment instead spreading it out like a dickhead.
timmy joe . the only guy on youtube that talks real budget stuff in the real world . thx man awesome video i always enjoy watching you
Hitler ssl yeah I like dood he’s pretty coo
Timmy Joe and Brian from Tech Yes City - the only guys building systems with alternate, affordable tech.
@@InimicusSolitus i dnt know abt the other guy will check him out for sure
@@InimicusSolitus there are few more, like randomgaminginhd and the other guy(forgot the name) that are doing ultra-low budget also ozzy is doing it too some times...
@@wabachi oh yeah, randomganinghd, a great channel
Agreed, the prices of nvidia have also halted me from recommending them. You need to spend 500$ minimum for 8gb vram... That's lunacy.
I think the vega’s were the most underrated cards
I managed to pick up a mining vega56 for 230US shipped off eBay, then got an eiswolf cooler for it for 70 so 300 all in
I flashed the 64LC bios on it and got it to 1710 core and 1120 hbm and it scores 26k in firestrike
That beats my 1080... for 300 bucks
What are your temps? If they're low can you post your fan curve on AMD Wattman?
The eiswolf is a water cooler, temps don’t go above 45, there is no fan
@@FrameChasers exactly what I'm thinking of doing. Except they are all more expensive in England and water blocks are none existent, except from aliexpress
@@benclimo461 u sir have not learned how to use google.... do you really think that like for me here in norway i use waterblocks made and sold in norway ? no i order mine from UK .... www.aquatuning.co.uk/water-cooling/gpu-water-blocks/gpu-full-cover/eisblock-gpx/?p=1
"I think the vega’s were the most underrated cards" No they weren't. They sold out immediately then their prices jumped 20 - 50% the next day and then ramped all the way up to 80 - 100% more.
YES! YES! YES! Best GPU. I found a new VEGA 56for only CHF 386.- AWESOME!
Undervolting and BIOS Mod and there you go you beat the 1070 by a lot and come close to a 1080 non ti
Ray...what? NV will ship some new Cards but from what i heard they are not using that new thingie thing Ray... something. Like with Phys-X better wait.
TIMMY JOE ROCKS!!! I really really hope you can get a Radeon VII that Monster Card with that 7nm Chip and HBM2 to the MAX!!! PCI-E 4.0 Glorious
LOL Man Phys-X ... They should make dedicated Ray Tracing cards lololol, I am assuming Vega Vii is gonna be hard to get, both as a reviewer and a consumer, I will try my best!
You can EASILY get a 1080 for 300$ used. 1080 TIs for 375-400$, 1070s are only 200$ used on Craigslist or on Facebook Market. Used GPUs are the way to go...can get them even cheaper if someone mined with them because people have this retarded idea that if someone mined with a card it's worth less and doesn't game as good but that's not true AT ALL.
omg i just bought my new pc
and i forgot that there were used GPUs on that website that i ordered my pc on....
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@@bradmundies425 not where I am. I tried. People are asking 400 cad for 1070s still
@@TimmyJoePCTech I've just pulled the trigger on a Gigabyte Oc Vega 56, 275 euro shipping included.
I was tired to wait for the Navi and I was not sure if my LG 34um68 3440x1440 is compatible with the Pascal ones.
I hope I've made the right choice, especially bicause my rx480 was unable to sustain that resolution.
$400 for a new Vega 64 is very tempting.
@@bradarnott That's awesome, and they are super good for video editing.
Also with 3 AAA games
@@Failpupo Its really tempting to buy one.
Dawid Does Tech Stuff if youre in America there is one for 379.99 new
@@thecchrist777cc6 oh yeah yeah
bought a XFX Vega 64 for $290 USD in november on /r/hardwareswap. Ran super hot at first but thanks to the new auto under volting in AMD Adrenalin runs great just a bit loud under load.
Mega deal
If its a dual fan version check that the thermal paste in the HBM is making contact with the cooler. I bought one brand new and the thermal paste on the HBM was not touching the cooler.
@@joelwylde Thanks I'll double check when I switch cases later today.
@@kevinvanneste2500 Yah thanks I ended up selling my 1070 FE to get it for a all AMD build with a free sync monitor
Auto undervolt is trash. Too conservative. Much better with the OverdriveNTool.
Love the vega! I have the vega 56 water cooled flashed with a 64 bios running at 1662 mhz core and 1075 memory. Its very fast and under water cooling stays nice and cool! Amazing part!
Jason Martinek May I ask how you water cooled it? Did you use an E K waterblock?
Did you over clock and Under volt at all?
I was able to snag a 6 month old MSI Vega 56 Airboost OC for $217.50 shipped and then snagged the EK Block for it for another $75 shipped, so under $300 total. I only game at 1080p so I'm set for a long time to come. The used deals in the US are insane right now and anyone thinking of going Vega I highly recommend Reference style cards as the Water Blocks for them have a high availability as well...
Ya his clock speeds were fluctuating quite a lot in the gameplay parts.
Nice work! Now I want something to drive my next TV at 4k but freesync will probably only work at 1080 on them, so solid 1080 gaming is really the thing. And I reckon you really are set!
Your life isn't Ray traced, you don't have a soul.
I own a Vega 64 and find it's perfect for 1440P
Try running a custom res of 3200x1800 by enabling virtual super resolution in the and control panel. Woohoo nice on the Vega 64
Is 550 W enough for a 64 ?
@@Harrock not really, you're better off with 750 watts
@@Harrock For a normal Version of the Vega 64 you need 750W and for the Limited Edition of the Vega 64 from Sapphire you need 850W to keep your System stable.
crexiCSGO well ... i dont want to spend 150€ for a new psu on top of the vega ...
Vega 64 will run 2019 AAA games at high 1440p 60fps or more.
It also loves *properly* made direct X12 games. Forza horizon 4 it's very close to a 1080 ti. It'll age well. Fine wine TM
@@bulletman001 I know amd driver optimization over the years is incredible
Esp w freesync!
what about vega 56, will they run 1080p 60fps easily on 2019 games?
@@thedragonknight8061 yes for sure, a Vega 56 is optimal somewhere between 1080p and 1440p.
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You gotta be pumped on that right Will?!!
Love your channel music lol, and the way it slowly fades in towards the end of the videos! Also, RE2 demo runs much better for me in dx11 on my vega 56, 15fps+ @1440p. Look forward to what you can do with your 64 under water. Good luck and have fun! :D
I got the Vega 64 Asus Arez Strix Oc for $450 on Newegg a few days ago with the included 3 games AMD is offering it was a great deal in my opinion
Very happy with my Vega 64. Fitted an EKWB copper water block and back plate. Flashed the BIOS for the water cooled version. I run it at 1440p on an ultrawide free-sync monitor. Happy days!
Generally 4k performance doesn't really increase with intel CPU's over Ryzen or Threadripper, it's GPU bound.
While true as of yet still, the faster the GPUs we throw at it and while still limited by DX11 in the vast majority of the times, 4K is going to become CPU limited soon. 1440p has already become CPU limited.
@@raresmacovei8382 idk just saw an fx8350 in 4k with 980ti did not bottleneck the card at all was amazing. ps nevermind your right looks like around 60fps in 4k is when some CPUs start bottlenecking again
Well 4k gaming isn't really needed, but 4k video editing is definitely a requirement.
Love your channel Timmy. I've been rocking a gigabyte vega 64 for some time now and it's awesome. I'm running it on a 32 inch 144p 144hz panel and get over a 100 fps on most AAA's titles with a few tweaks.
Mr. Timmy Joe, can you add some Tim and Eric reference in your future vids, love it when you do it especially spagett.
Love the way you think about making videos, this video is way better than if you bought a 2070.
Veda Chan why? A 2070 is better
I got my Vega 56 for $370 Canadian last week. Sapphire reference design, Samsung memory, bios flashed to Vega 64. Undervolted and running amazingly. An incredible value at that price, running 75 fps in 1440p in most of my games. It's a great time to buy these!
Timmy Joe dont use DX12 in the RE 2 Demo it is not ready and you get better fps with DX11
Runnin' the Rx 580 8gb, and I'm getting killer fps in dx12. Is that something vega specific I'm not aware of?
@Just4fun Is that just a vega thing, cause as I said, "I'm running" a 580 and am not having that issue.
@@conandude76 Actually, it runs universally better in DX11 with no graphical difference. It runs much better with DX11 than DX12 on Pascal, Polaris, Vega, Turing, etc. I have a 1080 Ti and a Vega 64, can confirm it's roughly the same for either.
I bought a new Vega 64 (Gigabyte model) for 360€ (400$), it's a really great value for the money, I can game with it at 3440x1440 without trouble at ultra settings. The only downside is the power consumption, after the purchase of the vega, I bought a Corsair TX850M in order to be able to run my AMD FX 8350 at 4.8GHz and Vega64. My old 650w PSU just couldn't handle it, even without OC and Undervolted :(
You're one of the few Tech Tubers that actually hasn't gushed over the RTX line, especially the 2060. And has brought up the atrocious price to performance and crooked naming schemes that Nvidia has been doing. Those Vega cards are tempting, but I'm gonna hold out for Navi, and better power consumption. Of course if Navi is a flop, or is priced like RTX, then I'm just sticking with my RX 580 at 1080p resolution, for a few more years.
Bought a Vega 64 for $399 on Black Friday 2 months ago and it came with 3 games re2, division 2, and Devil May Cry. All my games run fantastic on a 1440p Widescreen monitor. Just installed RE2 and it looks and runs awesome.
Get the vega 64. Undervolt -100 power limit +50. Congrats, you're beating a 1080 for $400.
Scooped up a couple Sapphire Pulse Vega 56 w Samsung HBM for $350 CDN a piece. Not all games support crossfire well but they are undervolting like champs and the memory clocks to 1050 with some registry hacks instead of bios flashing. Glad you are making a video about this, I feel like I'm doing the same stuff as you just not making videos to pay for my hobby.
I have a Vega 64 the MSI OC Air Boost. Bought it just after Christmas for $350 new on sale shipped. No regrets, I play at 1440p and on a 144hz FreeSync. I’m probably going to buy a 2080 though only because I want to play BF 5 on Ultra at higher framerates. In order to get 100 fps on the Vega I need to turn settings down to a Mix of Ultra, High and Medium. Vega 64 is a great card for $350-400. I’ve been trying to find that water block too, bummer... they are no where to be found. If you decide not to use it, can I buy the block from you?
I know it's not the same but you can buy them off of aliexpress that's made by a different company. People still report good things about them. That's what I may do if I get the card.
Ben climo im always skeptical about ali express. I’d rather just pay more for a quality EK block personally.
@@cardbored_ it's not an off brand one that I've never heard of before, it's done by barrow and another company as well. A lot of people say one of them very much looks like ek lol. They both do have good reviews though.
Being in England, I haven't been able to see any ek water blocks for vega at all, so this might be the only option.
@@cardbored_ I'd also rather get ek water blocks as well.
Just paid $230 USDfor a Gigabyte Vega 64 on eBay!
He might have just forgot to plug it in when he put it back together. I did that when I in-water cooled my 1080’s. I forgot to plug in the logo light and had to pull it apart and put it back together again. Big pain in the ass that doesn’t change performance he probably just didn’t want the hassle.
We all know RGB add's 30% fps boost with GPU RGB alone....
Super excited to see a Canadian winter cooled 64. I have been looking into buying a 56 myself and doing bios mods and water cooling it and all that. But first I MUST learn as much as I can. Totally a newb at the whole bios changing thing.
Keep up the awesome content Timmy Joe!
I just got a Vega 56, and literally two days later won a RTX 2060... Kinda wanna keep the 2060 because I won it so that makes it special... Depends on if it works with my Freesync monitor. I'm sorry AMD, forgive me 😔
Have you received it, yet? I've seen the video announcing winners. I'm still hoping to win lol
6gb is not even enough for 1440p gaming anymore. 2060 is stupid card, like 1060 3gb.
Just sell the 2060.
@@HisNameIsRobertPaulson01 No, I haven't received it, but Nvidia did contact me and I sent them the proper paperwork. The promo goes until Jan 31 so you have some time. Best of luck!
And I'd rather sell the 56 because I'm using 1080p with some extra resolution scale if I can. I think by the time 6gb vram becomes severely limited the card will probably be obsolete anyway. Also the HBM on my 56 is kind of ass 🤷♂️
@@lashyndragon Your v56 has Samsung memory?
Picked up a 2 month old Sapphire Vega 56 pulse for $285. Runs like a champ. With +50% power limit, 1050mv undervolt, and +3% overclock it's right on the heals of my old 1080 for a little over half what I sold my 1080 for.
WHAT ? 12 GB VRAM ? And now someone tell me the 16gb hbm2 is too much.. oof
Games are eating up VRAM these days. 16GB is clearly the future for 4K gaming. DW
Grabbed a Vega 56 back around Dec for 329 US and haven't looked back...love the card for 1080p 1st person shooters...
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If you do the water cooled Vega I would strongly recommend flashing the liquid cooled bios at least. Vega 64 runs into power limits at stock voltages and clocks (which is why undervolting gets you big performance gains). You can also mess with powerplay tables to increase the power limit to where you will need to be. Hbm clocks are very temperature dependent so the rad out of the window will help a lot there and performance scales very well with hbm overclocks. Maybe show an undervolt/overclock on the stock blower and show the results. I gained nearly 18% more performance on my blower card while using 50 watts less power than stock.
I bought a MSI titanium 1070 ti for $305 on ebay three weeks ago, very pleased
samittybittyturtle nice I got a 1070 ti for 250$ on Facebook marketplace
bought my used GTX 1080 about 6 months ago for $300 with those 15% site wide ebay promos.
Nice video. In Nov. i bought a RX Vega 64 that had only been used for 4 months by a husband / wife that game together but the wife's work schedule changed and she couldn't game as much as before so they decided to sell the Vega 64 she had used for gaming. I got it for $350. Been happy with the performance. I am curious as to how The Navi cards are gonna perform compared to the RX Vega's.
Don’t run Resident evil 2 in DX12 DigitalFoundry found out you get worse performance than DX11
For me, surprisingly, Dx12 ran better than dx11, only difference was, Dx11 had a higher maximum fps, but had alot more drops below 60. but thats just me there
Great Video thanks
You had me all happy when I seen the prices in the video I was like omg hitting the $322 mark nice. SO I go to the website and get to the video cards page and the prices were like $479 & up. Then I realized you were on the USA website so I go there and yep $322 for a Vega 56. Still $479CAD for a Vega 56 card and $549CAD for a Vega 64 is not to shabby either. If I was going to get a Vega I would probably hop on the Power Color Red Dragon Vega 56 @$479CAD and then clock the heck out of it to get it to Vega 64 stock or a bit better than V64 stock performance. I hear the Vega 56 really jumps up performance wise with a healthy memory over clock.
"Who needs 16GB of ram" -resident evil uses 13.69GB...that's crazy
lol no, it does not use 13.69 gb. Only the menu thinks that... and I also thinks that many GPUs have 0gb vram. RE2 does not even need 8gb for 4k maxed and maxed textures. If I had a tin foil hat I'd say they did this to sell VII's to people who dont know better.
Nope, that's system ram mirroring.
People don't realise! I use 7.8gb of video memory @1080p in BF1, Titanfall 2 and even asetto corsa
@@Fitness195 thats because of memory allocation. You dont need 7.8gb you just use it because you have surplus
It uses 20GB Ram @ 4k MAX :D steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/941717709722153108/51FDC11E6F448238B5C66CE015EDE9E5CB6F1BB2/
i got my sapphire pulse vega 56 for 300 bux u.s like 6 months ago and it is by far the best gaming card you can get according to other reviews and my own personal benchmarks there isn't anything i cannot play and it look fantastic! glad too see your going the smart route and getting away from them green assholes love your show much prolly my fav tuber to watch!!! also will send you some tubes too if you can get em!
I want to see the performance using the water block.
I just copped one on eBay for $260 and I'm super excited.
1440 is the sweetspot these days
At 144hz is where it's at.
Yeaaaaah no
Gimme 1080p 144Hz all day.
Thank you for not being a 60fps only snob. I've never had a PC capable of over 20fps on any game, so anything above 30 I'd be grateful for.
Is it just me or is the reflection in his glasses the old windows xp background?
Already ahead of you , wife and I both have Vega 64s and I am using it to learn Blender. It a killer CAD card over 1000$
AMD FineWine technology is the best :)
too bad their drivers suck
@@itsneight1260 In my experience their drivers have improved to the point they're better than NVidia's for stability. they still have a way to go in terms of feaures and launch performance of new GPUs but they have definitely been working hard to make their drivers good.
AMD drivers are much improved. I like the 1 click overclock or undervolting.
@@itsneight1260 fuck off dumbass
got a Vega 56 new at Christmast for $499 Canadian and it came with 3 games RE Remastered, Division 2 and Devil May Cry 5 ...very happy with the cards runs 1440p like a boss and 4K is more than "playable" 45 fps is fine for me as long as there isn's spikes
I was planning to sell my 980ti for a vega56. OC that vega 2 the max PLS. Powerplay tables...
Really more a side-grade than an upgrade
How much you selling that 980 ti for? I have $20.
@@mpk6664 20 +200
@@armando1is1great maybe but I have problems with the 6gb of vram. Some games the performance drops like a brick when the game needs more than 6gb of vram.
@TurboCMinusMinus true but 8gb is enough for 1440p. I have problems with some games @ 1080p that's crazy. Rtx 2060 is more powerful than 980ti and it has only 6gb. What is nvidia thinking. And the 2080 with 8gb is a problem as well. Radeon 7 16gb that's the future but the price pff
Upgraded from a GTX1060 6GB to a Sapphire Vega 64 Nitro+, haven't yet built the new system yet but I'm very excited to get it up and running, should hopefully be a nice performance increase at 5760×1080
Stock blower model though... Eewwwwwww.... Loud and hot! Or slow.Vega 64 Red Dragon - hell yes though!
I love my saphire nitro+ vega 64. I won the silicon lotto with that. Overclocked under volt monster crushing my friends 1080 and 2060. Paid $399.99 New.
That shirt tho...
what makes this card more enticing to buy on top of the price being even not to bad on New Egg Canada! at 554$ CAD which is 425$ USD or so.. for a new Vega 64 you get 3 triple A games with it and in CAD those games add up to 240$ so that's a win for all PC gamer's and the card will crush all of those games! and Timmy Joe you urged me to subscribe! Cheers from B.C Canada!
ugh again with the american newegg... if youre going to do that even though youre canadian, cant you do both?
unfortunately 90% of my viewers are from US and everyone just seems to default to their dumb currency, I will try to do better!
You should try doing some undervolting & overclocking with it, at the moment it's underperforming by a lot, they all do it, even the non-reference Vega's do it out of the box. In the video It's running anywhere from 1150mhz to 1450mhz depending on the game so it has a lot of room left in the tank. With some undervolting & overclocking you should be able to get it to sit at around 1600mhz.
Mission Report: Nvidia's Brain washing technique has been successfully executed on weaker minds. Indocrinated Subjects are are considering RTX 2060 as better value at $350.
It's better, fucken amd fangay
The Vega 64 runs faster and comes with three games...
I just ordered the MSI Air boost Vega 64. $409 and it comes with RE2, Devil May Cry and Div 2. Insane deal.
"everyone loves 60 frames a second way too much"
something that could only be said by an AMD fanboy.
I like Timmy Joe but I cringed when I heard it. I honestly feel like this card is meant for smooth 1440p gaming. Get a high refresh rate going and enjoy the sweet buttery feel of freesync at 144hz.
I've seen the standard blower cooler style V64 cards for around $400 now. But not so much on the 3rd party cards that have crazy cooling. But I love my Vega 64 and haven't had a time where I said I wish I had more power.!
For a card that's 2 years old. I want huge discount
Yor3 but u have to understand old doesn’t equal bad
I've been running Asus RoG RX 580 (8GB each, in Crossfire Pair) for 3 months. I hartily endorse the configuration, it's proven, more than capable. Far better than my last HOME build, on a LGA2011v3, with SLI'd MSI GTX 980 ti's. Both builds were/are Core i7's. the LGA2011v3 was X chip, the current is the 8086K. So it's likely they're both pretty decently bin'd CPU's. Although the architecture is considerably different, RAM pretty much the same, I did switch to Corsair Pro series memory modules. Still DDR4, 3200 in place of 2400, nominal advantage.
In any event, the Firestrike, PCMark & CB scores do exceed GTX 1080 ti range for single card scores. Although I do a decent number of customer builds the last Dual Card was another MSI 980 (non-ti) from the beginning of last year! So, I'm hoping to prove a point to someone, although, it's MOST likely, I'm the ONLY one that isn't "Green-Eye'd" with NV~dia... ;} Thanks you MAD-MAN for your advice, there maybe a Vega X in my home builds future.
Keep up the good work, I'll catch you on Patreon!
Lol 2060 matches this card for the same price. N 2060 is new and not off of eBay.
HOODedDutchman the Vega 64 will beat the 2060.
@@EvilTurkeySlices read some reviews before you comment. Reference 2060 is basically identical performance overall vs Vega 64.
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_RTX_2060_Gaming_Z/32.html
@@EvilTurkeySlices while being significantly quieter and using basically half the power*
Yeah the RTX 2060 is actually a very well-priced product. The hate for RTX and nvidia just overshadows its performance.
6gb vram in 2019 lul
I have a pair of furyX's that I picked up broken (separate transactions) for a buck&a quarter each. Both instances I was POSITIVE that the cooler was the issue. Grabbed a couple waterblocks on ebay and *BAM* Fury(cf)X water cooled for $400!!!
The car driving by at 3:38, lol. Love your vids man, when I want real info (not paid people to hype up products, no matter how they preform) I come here. I was dead set on a 2060 before this video, now I'm not sure. Thanks lol
A Blower card seriously? And no it's not a good buy especially not for $350 i'd love to know what you're smoking because for that price u get a brand new 2060 which has the same performance as a vega 64 is less power hungry(almost 100w less) and now can even use freesync on it so it's a big no no. Go for it if u can get it for $300
$330*
I can find a $225 VEGA 64 on Ebay compared to the 2060's $300 price tag. That right there, is a great deal. If I could only afford it.
@@mpk6664 Where?
www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=vega+64&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1
look at the auctions that are ending soon
www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_Auction=1&_nkw=vega+64&_sop=1
there's no way you can get a vega 64 for $225
You cannot get one for 225 lmao I would buy it at that price in a second
What you can do is get a Vega 56 HMB2 version (Triple fan Powercolor version going for 280 on eBay) and flash it with the Vega 64 bios. Then it’ll be ~10-20% faster than a 2060 for 70 bucks less. I find that to be an attractive deal, and if I had a better CPU to match I would’ve pulled the trigger on that weeks ago
@@Assault0137 How will it be 10-20% faster when the 2060 is already 7% faster than the 56? The Vega 64 surely isn't 20% faster than the 56?
i.imgur.com/g6o6ZdS.jpg
www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3427-nvidia-rtx-2060-founders-edition-review-benchmark-vs-vega-56
Just bought a Vega 56 for an old Dell Precision for $250, and that's before a $20 rebate! Looking forward to having a budget gaming powerhouse!
Buying the rtx 2060 makes more sense
It has better thermals, a lower TDP, and is future proofed with Ray-Tracing and DLSS
If you care about those things sure.. If you care about 4k and having enough ram for mods then vega 64 makes more sense. You really don't need aa at 4k and rt gimps performance.
@@bluegod1695lol 4k gimps performance too, don't hear anybody complain about that tho I wonder why that is, is it because we accept a performance drop at 4k knowing its heavy on resources and if so why do we have a hard time accepting the performance hit with RT when we know how tough that is to run too. quite frankly id take the performance hit with RT and enjoy the extra detail rather than take the performance hit with 4k knowing I have to reduce details in order to run 4k and then you have a super clean image to highlight all those reduced quality settings, niiice. if your care about 4k the vega 64 makes no sense at all! timmy joe might make 40fps sound glamourous but he skips over the fact at 40fps frame timings are all over the place, it stutters, tears, control response takes a hit, mouse response feels extended, its not a 4k card unless you drastically reduce settings and try to hit that locked 60fps and by then whats the point because your just making the game clearer to see those reduced settings even more. good 4k performance starts at the 1080ti and even that struggles a lot of the time, I know I had one and upgraded to 2080ti.
2060’s looks decent at first glance undoubtedly but if you dig lil deeper you’ll find the biggest NO NO for that card which is priced at 350 usd is, it only has 6 GB memory what that mean is, in long term it’s a poor investment because how gaming industry is slowly pushing 8 GB VRAM for High/Ultra now that same requirement down 8-15 months in future on similar resolution likely be for High/Medium settings meaning if you try to play games on 2060 at that time in future there’s maximum chance it will start to bottleneck or have stuttering issues due to limited resources available to meet those settings.
You don't even need to play RE2 at 4k resolution... Use 1080p and crank the sample to 150% or 200%.
The darkness and TAA will blur much of the jaggies anyways and I don't think you need to see things pixel perfect in a horror game.
And you actually don't need maxed settings, you actually get some visual bugs if you crank the reflections up.
RX VEGA 64 > RTX 2070
1080 was beating vega 64 in most benchmarks and 2070 is little faster then 1080.
@@jaggsta maybe in GTA 5, fortnite and other older shit
Navi is coming in July, announced at computex. For $250 USD, you'll get at least 1080 perfomance or even 2070. 7 months away.
No it's not cheap.
Why pay $400 for a Vega64 when you can get a RTX 2060 for the same price?
Vega 64 is 2070 performance, especially after undervolting. Might be close to a 2080 with that waterblock.
@@exe16 Seem like Vega64 is indeed faster than the RTX 2060:
ruclips.net/video/Pa8AmB4wmAQ/видео.html
And indeed so is the RTX 2070. But the RTX 2070 is just a tiny bit faster, sure it doesn't cost much more either so it's not like there's no reason to buy it, I guess one reason to buy it could be if one want the higher VRAM amount, like comparing 2060 and 2070 to 1060 3 GB and 1060 6 GB for the previous generation. They are very similar.
I won't really bother all that much with which of the models since they are pretty much the same. Also I don't know if the prices are even the same. I'll check cheapest Swedish prices:
3949 SEK RTX 2060
3990 SEK Vega 56
4890 SEK Vega 64
5666 SEK RTX 2070
So the RTX 2060 and the Vega 56 cost the same and of course the Vega 56 will be somewhat slower than the Vega 64 so likely very similar gaming performance for old titles but then the RTX 2060 also do support the ray-tracing, DLSS regardless of whatever you think about it, even Ansel and GameWorks if you care, I assume it pull less power, by now both support Adaptive-Sync. So why except because you want to financially support AMD would you buy the Vega 56 for games? For productivity / computing / mining purposes maybe it serves one but for any gamer the price isn't good as the product is a slightly worse product than the RTX 2060.
Clearly one could get a Vega 64 for 13% lower price than the 2070. Seem here like the Vega64 may on average outperform the RTX 2070 (selective choice of titles or just how it is?) ruclips.net/video/RzOuIbIIsQE/видео.html So I guess the Vega64 isn't completely without merits at that price point, a bit faster at old/current games and slightly cheaper, then again the RTX 2070 likely pull less power, make less noise, support ray tracing, DLSS, gameworks, ansel, shield, g-sync if that is of any interest.
So, I guess I should rephrase that into buying the Vega 56 instead of the RTX 2060 making no sense for gamers who care about their own rather than AMDs performance and not really say anything about the Vega 64 but if I were to do so compare it to the RTX 2070 instead and ask people to think about whatever it would be worth it to pay a bit more for the RTX 2070 and get a card which support more features.
Power consumption in BF1, www.anandtech.com/show/13762/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-founders-edition-6gb-review/14:
2060: 322 watt
2070: 342 watt
Vega 56: 386 watt
2080: 395 watt
Vega 64: 461 watt
@ No one would buy an rtx card so easily if they can't use It's features at full potential. For me I'm just gonna have to wait more for that feature of the rtx to be useful in game. Probably Nvidia will do something again about Ray tracing to be useful later on regardless of the price.
@@pauloazuela8488 You can use it to it's full potential.
The potential may not be where you want it to be but then you shouldn't buy any computer parts whatsoever because they all could be better and that would be nice so better don't buy any.
RTX is useful. Just a few people have the cards though and just one(?) title is out yet.
RTX isn't "useful" by any stretch of the word, its a gimmick at this point. Later on with more adoption it may be the new "must have" feature, but right now I want high FPS and good enough graphics.
I got a vega 56 about 5 months ago. I've been very happy with 2K performance.
I spent £650 on a v64 LC just over a year and a half ago. You can but the air-cooled ones for about £380 now in the uk. Good price
Agreed, I grabbed an ASUS Strix Vega 56 a few months ago for $500 AUD...which is about $350 USD used but for something that has 1070TI performance for $200 AUD less is a no brainer.
True enough, got two Vega 64’s XFX special edition’s from OCN 3 days ago for 300$ a pop. Plus, you can mod software and the board so easy it’s practically free money.
Side note, idk why you are rough on Vega 7, give them a month and I’m sure you’ll see bios seal it’s value.
Nice vid. Yea that's why I always look for open box deals or used last resort. Open box basically new but with used prices.
i got a Vega 64 Liquid Edition at launch for a really good price, love the card, i get really good fps at 1440p and that's just what i wanted.
Bought a 980ti used for 220$. It plays pretty much everything easily at 1440p or even 4k when overclocked. The Performance of the Card is still somewhere in between Vega 56 and 64 but apart from the 6GB of VRam the Card is just great for the price. Btw. Even all the VR titles i own that are Graphically intense run at over 90fps on highest settings.
Clocks seem really low on that card, I know its a blower cooler but still. You would probably see better performance if you undervolted it a bit. So it doesn't get as hot and throttle. Also I've heard that Riva Tuner on the Vega cards actually has a performance impact, not sure if its true but you can test it if you want. Anyway, good video as always!
he needs to buy a pump, rad and res to put that block that came with his card to good use...
I got my Vega 56 for $700 CND back then. It still holds up today. I might want to pick up another one to crossfire them. Ive seen performance for crossfire Vega 56 to be comparable to RTX 2070.
I managed to pick up a vega 64 for my htpc on Ebay a month back for $295, amazing value at that price, with an undervolt it's over 25k in firestrike which is on par with a 2070. Also, it looks like you were using stock clocks in the video, but even just toggling it to turbo mode in the wattman software in the driver can give you around 3-5% and it improves lows.
I got mine last Christmas and It 4k games great. But you're right it struggles with some games to hit a locked 60fps. But with more tweaking uv/oc and game customization you can get there. Radeon 7 will give you 15-27% improvement over what you are getting now. So a locked 4k\60 is where it's at. But I may wc mine if not VII, because I gotta get me one. It is going to be the fastest gpu AMD will have this year. Navi is for the mid-range and won't be a 4k\60 kinda card.
I've been looking to build a PC this year and I know I'm getting the Ryzen 3600 but I've been undecided on a video card, was looking at a 1660Ti maybe, but yesterday I find an online retailer selling new Sapphire Vega 56 for less than I can get a 1660Ti for and with a Vega 56 you can get more like RTX2060 performance.
It's looking like a no brainer right now, that's a crazy good deal!
Yeah as long as you get a decent power supply you're good to go
Just got an MSI one in Japan for ~300$ USD. Great deal, especially for Japan.
Man I really like your videos, I have been looking at Vega cards all week so this was a timely video lol.
It's also a very good time to buy used 1060s, I recently bought a 6g 1060 for $150 and it has been performing flawlessly ever since
Thanks. Really means something to me. Can you make a vid vs the Gtx1070ti tested using new games like u did here.
great video. real world. cant wait to see what crazy stuff you do with it on water.
Got a new vega 56 for $300 and it performs a lot better in vr benchmarks compared to my now replaced r9 290 tri-x. (119 fps for r9 vs 181 for vega in orange room vr benchmark at stock settings for each).
ngl timmy, i doubted you so damn hard until i actually checked ebay. thank you man, i really appreciate this vid.
It's going to be stupid cold next week so that'll be the perfect time to use your radiator water cooler set up again.
I'm looking to upgrade my Asus gl702zc to a Acer predator Helios 500 which has the Vega 56, cuz I'd like to be able to play Assassin's Creed Odyssey nearly maxed out at 1440p freesync ultra-wide. The RX 580 on the Asus doesn't really step up to the challenge.
Windows updates causing computers to ramp up since 1980- something.
and that's my thing too, with adaptive sync, I'm more than happy to play between 45 and 75 frames a second oh, if I could crank out the graphics to the highest possible. I like enjoying open world games and being able to just stop and look at the scenery kind of like what you can do in Odyssey.
If it hasn't already been done; the R9 Fury series are worth a look as well. Got an r9 Fury for less than $200 USD and there isn't much I can't run @ 1080p max settings; even with it being used in a GPU enclosure.
once you put the water block on it make sure to max out the power limit and under volt the card to 1.15 volts you should be able to easily hit 1.6ghz
Great video! Is this running at stock settings or did you undervolt and overclock? You can get some great gains by undervolting and overclocking.
If I can't afford the vega 64, should I settle for the 56? I'm upgrading from a GTX 650 Ti 2Gb, and I'm mostly looking at AMD cards due to the game bundle. It's either an MSI Vega 56 Air boost (+DMC5, REEEE2, and Div2,) or the GTX 1660 Ti. If you guys have recommendations between the two let me know.
Go for the vega. The GTX 1660ti is decent but doesnt beat the value and performance of the vega 56. As long as you keep cool enough it should serve you very well.
Subscribed. Finally someone who is sensible about PC hardware!