You're doing a good job of putting me off Tig, and I've watched lots of Tig youtube videos. What no one has clearly explained is why anyone would use Tig rather than the much easier Mig.
Hi Samuel, for steel I guess you mean? My experience is obviously limited so my answer may not be reliable but for very thin plate I think TIG would offer more control. Cheers
Fantastic and very helpful video Paul. Like you were once, I am now, at total beginner with TIG. I've done gas and mig before but would not remotely class myself as any good at it really. I bought my R-tech 161 ac/dc about 18 months ago and it's been sat covered up under my bench ever since. I knew I would need pure argon gas but so far haven't managed to get around to getting any. I've also watched a stack of how-to videos and found as you did that many are USA origin with a whole different technish-speak that didn't really translate so thanks very much for helping out on that point, I'll look at the SIF catalogue. I realise this video is a year old now but that's great news since it means I now have a whole series of Haxby how-tos to watch and learn from. Many thanks.
Jason you are always very generous with your comments😁. Let's be honest I was clueless. I have managed to make progress over the past 18 months since I got the welder, and most of my early problems were down to gas. I stepped up 1 cup size and suddenly the results began to appear. I suggest for starters get blue tungsten and a number 6 gas lens and set your rate about 5 or 6 litres per minute. You will have problems but at least the gas should be set ok for basic work, and you won't have big problems with fizzing and porosity. Cheers
Enjoyed your latest as I sit here with my cup of PG Tips (not decaf-sugar only) and biscuits.Yes, I buy my tea from the British Corner Store along with my biscuits . Get a shipment about once a year.
Hi Natalie, I checked out the British Corner Shop website. That would have been useful when we lived overseas. These days I usually buy 'Yorkshire Tea' made by Taylors of Harrogate. I just checked and they do have it in the British Corner Shop. The town of Harrogate is only about 23 miles from here - just by coincidence. Regards
Very interesting video, good to see someone struggling while learning, also because you probably have the same issues of evryone else who tries to tig for the first time. Definetly different from watching an expert welder that does everything with no problems.
Hi Luca, I felt totally useless for a while. So many new things to learn. And as you say the popular channels are usually more about advanced techniques rather than what frightening noise to expect. Cheers
@@HaxbyShed I completely agree, i'm still learning stick welding but the feelings are the same. On the first tries seemed i wasn't able to do nothing but with practice is getting better.
just think; now you are providing good information and perspective for your fellow hobbiests in the UK. Kind of like learning a new language and teaching others!
Yes it is like that DC. I've done a bit of gas welding in the past and I can see similarities but still TIG is a whole new experience with great potential. I'll be doing a repair on the table gearbox lid on my new mill and perhaps that's the first time where I feel the TIG will really come into its own for me. It will be very satisfying if I can repair that successfully. Cheers
Hello from sunny Oxfordshire. Originally from South Cave, just down the road from you. I'm a lathe bloke too who's just started TIG welding. I've subscribed to your channel and will follow with interest. Best wishes, Dean @Retromeccanica.
Hi Dean, I've done 3 short TIG videos so far and I'm better than I was but that's not saying much. You will note the extensive comments made by people who know what they are doing, probably tearing their hair out as I make all the novice mistakes. I like the 175cc Bantam you've got. Yes I know approximately where South Cave is. Thanks for watching. Cheers
@@HaxbyShed thanks for replying. My brother is a whizz with the TIG torch but it's a new challenge for me. The Bantam project will hopefully get underway after a particularly busy period at the day job. Best wishes, Dean.
I appreciate where you're coming from. I'm about to start on the same TIG journey, also with no one to guide me (though haven't got as far as turning the gas on yet, so far only checked out the stick welding function). Having done stick, flux core MIG and oxy, I too look forward to adding this to the skill set (mostly for thin metals and aluminium). Best of luck with it. Steve, Perth, Australia.
Ah Steve then we are in about the same place in terms of experience. In vid 2, coming out later this week, I am still lost and a bit frustrated but by vid 3 I'm beginning to get somewhere at least in steel and bronze. I once visited Perth airport on my way to Geraldton WA for a business trip. Nice to have your comment. Cheers
Hello, Good video... I am not sure if I am encouraged or put off with the thought of learning to TIG weld - lol. You have highlighted lots of useful stuff for the novice welder - Thank you... Take care. Paul,,
Hi Paul, it's very different but I'm driven on by the potential of it. Just don't expect to pick up the torch and go .... just like that. It takes a bit of persistence, clearly. Cheers
As much as I would probably enjoy the challenge of taking up TIG, the biggest turn off to date has been dealing with the gas. It's also why I flux core, and stick weld instead. And why I dont have an oxy/acetylene setup. But maybe some day when I get a bit more time
Hi Craig, I think I would shy away from acetylene at home, being explosive and all that. But another factor with gas is the cost ..... it won't take me long to get through $80 worth. So every weld has to count. :-)
Don't be discouraged! Your first welds would win a prize next to mine. I learned on aluminum. I feel so bad that I kind of misled you. (I "assumed", which made an ass out of you & me). Welding 2-3 mm aluminum, (say 5356) use 1.6mm tungsten (blue stripe is good) with a slight ball on the end. A/C current at about 90 amps. (Square wave if you have it). Preflow gas by momentary pedal. 2mm space between tungsten & material. Shield darkness at 10 or 11. Strike an arc & make a puddle. Add your 1.6 5356 rod to the shiny edge of the puddle & then move over 3/4 puddle & make an additional puddle. Add to that & you're off & running. Chris Razor told me if you can't see with the arc on, you can't weld. Just practice slow & easy. Once you get the hang of making a molten puddle, it's half the battle. If you burn through, lessen the heat or just move the puddle a little faster. This just takes practice. I describe it like just get in there & joust with that lion, but you get eaten 45 times before you whack him dead. It will come to you. Secret: RELAX & learn to breathe & be steady. It takes control to not touch the electrode to the metal or hold the torch too far away. Being able to see the shiny molten puddle is the key. David only had one chance against Goliath, you've got the rest of your life. When the puddle starts to get too hot, just ease back on the pedal to cool without losing the arc. Be praying for you not to get discouraged. How many times did you fall before you could RIDE a two wheeled bike? Practice, practice, practice. My wife told me to help you. I'm not a good teacher. Try to find a welder close to you to help. God Speed my friend. Thanks for making me famous on RUclips. I'm now an internet star! (NOT!). Bob Ginther USA's most terrible welder.
Hi Bob, you did not mislead me it's just part of my education. I've read all you say and I'm absorbing it. Thinking and doing are not quite the same of course :-). Vid 2 of my TIG adventures will be out this week - going forward in some areas and backwards in others. And I've just cut Vid 3 where for the first time maybe I'm getting somewhere with steel and then bronze filler on a bit of sheet steel. I might know enough to be able to improve now. The point about taking my time is well made - I was stuffing the filler in like I was in a hurry but slowing it all down helped. As ever, thanks for your comments. (I've learnt that you need to be a really, really, really big internet star to make any money so don't spend on credit). Cheers
Hi I’m about 3 months further on than you, yes I’ve been all through the same problems you have, I purchased a cheap Tig welder with HF start, think it was a wrong move, I’ve since replaced it with a more expensive A/C. D/C welder with a lot more facilities on it, I’m now getting reasonable welds on mild steel plate but it’s a challenging medium of welding, so I’ve come to the conclusion that this is all about continuous practice, yes RUclips helps but keep at it, I can now make good strong welds but haven’t perfected the stack of dimes they all talk about. 👴🏻👍
Hi Terry, I think I've hit the bottom of the learning curve and starting to come up now. I tried my first bit of stainless welding last week and I got reasonable runs, but not dimes. I'm welding as and when needed for my projects so not getting regular practice but my knowledge and skill are definitely improving. It's on my mind to produce another vid on my welding progress soon. Cheers
You soon get the hang of it!I would suggest practice a bit first on just mild steel without using filler material,prep it first,clean with for instance acetone,and not use pulse to start with.Then put 2 prepped mild steel 3 mm plate bits about 1 mm apart and ,,braze,, them together.Then move on to adding filler material...hold torch a bit more straight up( 80 degree) and filler rod nearly flat on meaterial in direction you wanna go....I think you try to much at the first go...stabilise hand/torch first....just my 2 cents
Hi I was wondering what is the size of motor on your lathe please and where did you get it from as I am having trouble getting a suitable motor, thanks.
Hi Anthony, it is a 3phase 4pole 1.5HP (1.1kW) motor with a 3/4 (19mm) shaft. It is the original rating but not the original motor. It was made by Tyco Motors Doncaster but I think that was Crompton post 2002 after Tyco bought the Crompton name. The lathe did come with an optional two speed motor 1.5HP/3HP so sometime I might change it for a motor with bit more power. Cheers
Hello, the best way to learn TIG is not to weld TIG. By the time you have cleaned everything, adjusted your tungsten, gas flow amperage pulse rod diameter etc.... you will be mentally drained and unwilling to go on. I welded TIG for Mc Donnell Douglas plant in Long Beach CA. I was very gifted and new hire. We worked on the C17 cargo plane. I did training at a technical school for a year before I could schedule a test. My teacher told me that in order to learn TIG you must start with oxy acetylene, because it is exactly the same without all the tech crap. The old gizzard had me oxy weld for 2 months and I was furious." Your are not ready you are not ready". that is all he kept saying. The big difference is that the metal does not have to be clean, there is no inert gas, no electricity no tungsten. Just dip a coat hanger rod in the puddle till it looks pretty. Once you have mastered that apply it to TIG. Now you only have the technical part to sort out, and it is not so bad. Now people have money and time so they become their own teacher. You will not learn that way.
Hi Bernard, so far I have made no serious attempt to learn TIG I'm just dabbling and disappointed. If we ever get through covid wave n+1 I may sign up for a course at the local tech college. I can glue a few bits together but not reliably. Bronze will usually work. I really need to sit down and make a proper effort, and resist the urge to reach for stick which I find quite easy if the metal is stick-weldable. I have done a bit of oxy in the past but it was a long time ago. Cheers
A lot of negativety going on here. Sometimes you need to just get on with it and have a go. It's amazing what you can learn from trial and error. Just get on with it! Don't suffer from 'paralysis by analysis'. Nice video though.
Hi David, I accept your point I am probably over thinking it. I like to understand everything, I'm just that sort of person. But if you have some experience of TIG yourself then it may be hard for you to think back to when you knew absolutely zero and just everything seemed confusing - even the buzzing noises were a surprise. Now I'm a few hours on and getting my bearings - although I still have a great deal to learn. Cheers
Thank you for the information! I Will add that to my fall order.
You're doing a good job of putting me off Tig, and I've watched lots of Tig youtube videos. What no one has clearly explained is why anyone would use Tig rather than the much easier Mig.
Hi Samuel, for steel I guess you mean? My experience is obviously limited so my answer may not be reliable but for very thin plate I think TIG would offer more control. Cheers
Fantastic and very helpful video Paul. Like you were once, I am now, at total beginner with TIG. I've done gas and mig before but would not remotely class myself as any good at it really. I bought my R-tech 161 ac/dc about 18 months ago and it's been sat covered up under my bench ever since. I knew I would need pure argon gas but so far haven't managed to get around to getting any. I've also watched a stack of how-to videos and found as you did that many are USA origin with a whole different technish-speak that didn't really translate so thanks very much for helping out on that point, I'll look at the SIF catalogue. I realise this video is a year old now but that's great news since it means I now have a whole series of Haxby how-tos to watch and learn from. Many thanks.
Jason you are always very generous with your comments😁. Let's be honest I was clueless. I have managed to make progress over the past 18 months since I got the welder, and most of my early problems were down to gas. I stepped up 1 cup size and suddenly the results began to appear. I suggest for starters get blue tungsten and a number 6 gas lens and set your rate about 5 or 6 litres per minute. You will have problems but at least the gas should be set ok for basic work, and you won't have big problems with fizzing and porosity. Cheers
@Haxby_Shed thanks for the tips Paul, I'll do some hunting around for your suggested items.
Enjoyed your latest as I sit here with my cup of PG Tips (not decaf-sugar only) and biscuits.Yes, I buy my tea from the British Corner Store along with my biscuits . Get a shipment about once a year.
Hi Natalie, I checked out the British Corner Shop website. That would have been useful when we lived overseas. These days I usually buy 'Yorkshire Tea' made by Taylors of Harrogate. I just checked and they do have it in the British Corner Shop. The town of Harrogate is only about 23 miles from here - just by coincidence. Regards
Very interesting video, good to see someone struggling while learning, also because you probably have the same issues of evryone else who tries to tig for the first time. Definetly different from watching an expert welder that does everything with no problems.
Hi Luca, I felt totally useless for a while. So many new things to learn. And as you say the popular channels are usually more about advanced techniques rather than what frightening noise to expect. Cheers
@@HaxbyShed I completely agree, i'm still learning stick welding but the feelings are the same. On the first tries seemed i wasn't able to do nothing but with practice is getting better.
just think; now you are providing good information and perspective for your fellow hobbiests in the UK. Kind of like learning a new language and teaching others!
Yes it is like that DC. I've done a bit of gas welding in the past and I can see similarities but still TIG is a whole new experience with great potential. I'll be doing a repair on the table gearbox lid on my new mill and perhaps that's the first time where I feel the TIG will really come into its own for me. It will be very satisfying if I can repair that successfully. Cheers
Hello from sunny Oxfordshire. Originally from South Cave, just down the road from you. I'm a lathe bloke too who's just started TIG welding. I've subscribed to your channel and will follow with interest. Best wishes, Dean @Retromeccanica.
Hi Dean, I've done 3 short TIG videos so far and I'm better than I was but that's not saying much. You will note the extensive comments made by people who know what they are doing, probably tearing their hair out as I make all the novice mistakes. I like the 175cc Bantam you've got. Yes I know approximately where South Cave is. Thanks for watching. Cheers
@@HaxbyShed thanks for replying. My brother is a whizz with the TIG torch but it's a new challenge for me. The Bantam project will hopefully get underway after a particularly busy period at the day job. Best wishes, Dean.
I appreciate where you're coming from. I'm about to start on the same TIG journey, also with no one to guide me (though haven't got as far as turning the gas on yet, so far only checked out the stick welding function). Having done stick, flux core MIG and oxy, I too look forward to adding this to the skill set (mostly for thin metals and aluminium). Best of luck with it. Steve, Perth, Australia.
Ah Steve then we are in about the same place in terms of experience. In vid 2, coming out later this week, I am still lost and a bit frustrated but by vid 3 I'm beginning to get somewhere at least in steel and bronze. I once visited Perth airport on my way to Geraldton WA for a business trip. Nice to have your comment. Cheers
informative yet again thanks
Hi Graedon, you are welcome, thanks for the comment. Regards
I am famous Bob's wife. Love your visits.
Ah Natalie, the famous wife of the famous Bob, nice to have your support ma'am.
Hello,
Good video... I am not sure if I am encouraged or put off with the thought of learning to TIG weld - lol. You have highlighted lots of useful stuff for the novice welder - Thank you...
Take care.
Paul,,
Hi Paul, it's very different but I'm driven on by the potential of it. Just don't expect to pick up the torch and go .... just like that. It takes a bit of persistence, clearly. Cheers
It's nice to see you want to learn something new to you.
I never did any TIG so i won't be a great help.
Hi Rusti, it's going to take some time to get the hang of it. There is definitely a finite chance I won't master it but I have to try. Cheers
As much as I would probably enjoy the challenge of taking up TIG, the biggest turn off to date has been dealing with the gas. It's also why I flux core, and stick weld instead. And why I dont have an oxy/acetylene setup.
But maybe some day when I get a bit more time
Hi Craig, I think I would shy away from acetylene at home, being explosive and all that. But another factor with gas is the cost ..... it won't take me long to get through $80 worth. So every weld has to count. :-)
clean clean an clean again an when you think your clean clean it again especially with stainless or alloy
Hi secret six, I'm beginning to understand that and it's given me a bit more success. I need to get some acetone. Cheers
Don't be discouraged! Your first welds would win a prize next to mine. I learned on aluminum. I feel so bad that I kind of misled you. (I "assumed", which made an ass out of you & me). Welding 2-3 mm aluminum, (say 5356) use 1.6mm tungsten (blue stripe is good) with a slight ball on the end. A/C current at about 90 amps. (Square wave if you have it). Preflow gas by momentary pedal. 2mm space between tungsten & material. Shield darkness at 10 or 11. Strike an arc & make a puddle. Add your 1.6 5356 rod to the shiny edge of the puddle & then move over 3/4 puddle & make an additional puddle. Add to that & you're off & running. Chris Razor told me if you can't see with the arc on, you can't weld. Just practice slow & easy. Once you get the hang of making a molten puddle, it's half the battle. If you burn through, lessen the heat or just move the puddle a little faster. This just takes practice. I describe it like just get in there & joust with that lion, but you get eaten 45 times before you whack him dead. It will come to you. Secret: RELAX & learn to breathe & be steady. It takes control to not touch the electrode to the metal or hold the torch too far away. Being able to see the shiny molten puddle is the key. David only had one chance against Goliath, you've got the rest of your life. When the puddle starts to get too hot, just ease back on the pedal to cool without losing the arc. Be praying for you not to get discouraged. How many times did you fall before you could RIDE a two wheeled bike? Practice, practice, practice. My wife told me to help you. I'm not a good teacher. Try to find a welder close to you to help. God Speed my friend. Thanks for making me famous on RUclips. I'm now an internet star! (NOT!). Bob Ginther USA's most terrible welder.
Hi Bob, you did not mislead me it's just part of my education. I've read all you say and I'm absorbing it. Thinking and doing are not quite the same of course :-). Vid 2 of my TIG adventures will be out this week - going forward in some areas and backwards in others. And I've just cut Vid 3 where for the first time maybe I'm getting somewhere with steel and then bronze filler on a bit of sheet steel. I might know enough to be able to improve now. The point about taking my time is well made - I was stuffing the filler in like I was in a hurry but slowing it all down helped. As ever, thanks for your comments. (I've learnt that you need to be a really, really, really big internet star to make any money so don't spend on credit). Cheers
Hi I’m about 3 months further on than you, yes I’ve been all through the same problems you have, I purchased a cheap Tig welder with HF start, think it was a wrong move, I’ve since replaced it with a more expensive A/C. D/C welder with a lot more facilities on it, I’m now getting reasonable welds on mild steel plate but it’s a challenging medium of welding, so I’ve come to the conclusion that this is all about continuous practice, yes RUclips helps but keep at it, I can now make good strong welds but haven’t perfected the stack of dimes they all talk about. 👴🏻👍
Hi Terry, I think I've hit the bottom of the learning curve and starting to come up now. I tried my first bit of stainless welding last week and I got reasonable runs, but not dimes. I'm welding as and when needed for my projects so not getting regular practice but my knowledge and skill are definitely improving. It's on my mind to produce another vid on my welding progress soon. Cheers
What everyone else has said, clean clean clean. If you're getting any sparks coming from the weld pool/arc at all, then it's not clean enough.
Hi Matt, that last comment is important to me thanks. I have had sparks and now I know why. Something has just dropped into place...... Cheers
Be aware of the intence uv you must cover all skin.also the tungsten ,just pick a colour and go with it.
Hi Geoffrey, I don't show it in that vid but when I weld I do cover up. I know some people have been badly burned. Regards
You soon get the hang of it!I would suggest practice a bit first on just mild steel without using filler material,prep it first,clean with for instance acetone,and not use pulse to start with.Then put 2 prepped mild steel 3 mm plate bits about 1 mm apart and ,,braze,, them together.Then move on to adding filler material...hold torch a bit more straight up( 80 degree) and filler rod nearly flat on meaterial in direction you wanna go....I think you try to much at the first go...stabilise hand/torch first....just my 2 cents
Hi Robert, very grateful for the advice. It's all being processed in my head :-) Today I worked just on steel to try to get the hang of that. Cheers
Hi I was wondering what is the size of motor on your lathe please and where did you get it from as I am having trouble getting a suitable motor, thanks.
Hi Anthony, it is a 3phase 4pole 1.5HP (1.1kW) motor with a 3/4 (19mm) shaft. It is the original rating but not the original motor. It was made by Tyco Motors Doncaster but I think that was Crompton post 2002 after Tyco bought the Crompton name. The lathe did come with an optional two speed motor 1.5HP/3HP so sometime I might change it for a motor with bit more power. Cheers
Hello, the best way to learn TIG is not to weld TIG. By the time you have cleaned everything, adjusted your tungsten, gas flow amperage pulse rod diameter etc.... you will be mentally drained and unwilling to go on. I welded TIG for Mc Donnell Douglas plant in Long Beach CA. I was very gifted and new hire. We worked on the C17 cargo plane. I did training at a technical school for a year before I could schedule a test. My teacher told me that in order to learn TIG you must start with oxy acetylene, because it is exactly the same without all the tech crap. The old gizzard had me oxy weld for 2 months and I was furious." Your are not ready you are not ready". that is all he kept saying. The big difference is that the metal does not have to be clean, there is no inert gas, no electricity no tungsten. Just dip a coat hanger rod in the puddle till it looks pretty. Once you have mastered that apply it to TIG. Now you only have the technical part to sort out, and it is not so bad. Now people have money and time so they become their own teacher. You will not learn that way.
Hi Bernard, so far I have made no serious attempt to learn TIG I'm just dabbling and disappointed. If we ever get through covid wave n+1 I may sign up for a course at the local tech college. I can glue a few bits together but not reliably. Bronze will usually work. I really need to sit down and make a proper effort, and resist the urge to reach for stick which I find quite easy if the metal is stick-weldable. I have done a bit of oxy in the past but it was a long time ago. Cheers
A lot of negativety going on here. Sometimes you need to just get on with it and have a go. It's amazing what you can learn from trial and error. Just get on with it! Don't suffer from 'paralysis by analysis'. Nice video though.
Hi David, I accept your point I am probably over thinking it. I like to understand everything, I'm just that sort of person. But if you have some experience of TIG yourself then it may be hard for you to think back to when you knew absolutely zero and just everything seemed confusing - even the buzzing noises were a surprise. Now I'm a few hours on and getting my bearings - although I still have a great deal to learn. Cheers