TLDR SUMMARY: I made one minor mistake from a comment a judge made. The attack resolves AFTER Magnamon X resolves the security option or Digimon security effects. Otherwise, here's the gist of what happens. Whenever Magnamon X attacks, here's the order of events: Security Check - Magnamon X goes into a triggered/PENDING STATE Resolve Security Check - Resolve Security Effects of Option Cards, Tamers, and Digimon Resolve any additional effects whose criteria have been met Resolve Magnamon X - Gain Immunity and DP Buff Security Battle
Said it in the reply to another comment, but I’ll put it here for visibility. It’s not wrong to say there’s a chain - the reason we don’t is because Bandai hasn’t ruled that there is one, but the chain follows this line of thinking: LIFO, or Last In, First Out, meaning Last effect triggered is the first effect to resolve. This is where turn priority matters - if two effects trigger simultaneously, then the turn player’s effect will trigger first. In the case of Garuda ACE, the sequence is Magna X does the security check -> checks tamer -> Magna X’s effect triggers -> Tamer security effect triggers -> Tamer resolves effect and plays itself (LIFO) -> Garuda ACE’s effect triggers -> Garuda ACE resolves effect and deletes. We as Digimon players have been conditioned to abide by “turn player priority” for effects, which wasn’t an issue until very recently due to power creep and how effects interact on opposing player’s turns. So, to nerf this line of thinking, instead of saying “Turn Player Priority” we should be saying “LIFO”, and only when two effects trigger at the same time - something like an [On Deletion] and [When a Digimon is Deleted] that turn player priority matters.
Well spoken! I pondered back and forth on whether it would be an appropriate analogy because in some ways, the commentor was right in that we don't have "chains" but I wanted to explain it in a way that made sense with prior card game knowledge in other fields. Visually speaking now, I've been going with the picture the cards being stacked on the table as they go into triggered/pending effects and remove them as they resolve. But Last in, First Out is definitely a great way to explain it! Thanks for that insight!
New category: Semi-Limited so it gets hit to only 2 copies allowed. Jokes aside, timing is going to be a big factor in the BT16 meta so locations better have judges available. Me, I am going to share this with my community as you already mentioned talking with judges so we can know the interactions ahead of time. Thank you for another great video.
You're very welcome! This doesn't cover EVERY scenario but it does cover a few niche ones that I have already seen or heard. They're kind of fun to decipher.
Gracenovamon will be another very good counter against Magnamon X. The blue tamer lets you digivolve at the start of your opponent's turn, after the protection has worn off and before they can reapply it.
Also true! And most of Magnamon X's removal is in the form of Heaven's Judgment, meaning they'd have to play it after your Gracenovamon has hit the board. Sadly, DP reduction does delete Gracenovamon but that'd only happen if their Magnamon X can stick on the board (which I doubt).
Unlike Apocalymon, who can literally kill you without even interacting. Magna X needs you to interact (either attacking with him or use something to remove Security to proc his effect).
Actually other card(s) can counter, one in mind is: Final Shining Burst. Anything that has a lingering effect can target unaffected digimon. And bc the protection effect ends on your opponent's turn, Magna X will be deleted since it's only 12k.
My only error was in regards to DP Comparisons happening last. I misread something a judge sent me. This has been corrected in the pinned post! Thanks for the feedback!
I don't think it needs to be banned, but I wouldn't cry my eyes out if it got limited, and I do think cards with this level of protection are a dangerous route to take. They're going to want to keep one-upping themselves to keep selling boxes of future sets, so I'm really not looking forward to the day they need to outpace Magnamon X with an even more powerful big name Digimon. That said, if I recall, sales of BT15 were rough because Apocalymon got limited before release, but as a result we didn't have to deal with the nightmare Apocalymon meta that JP did. That's a win for the players, and it shows that someone up on the chain is thinking about that kind of thing. I dunno, just feels like there's a lot to think about. I don't play competitively anyway, so it's not like I have to worry about it like it's my job. I'm just playing on simulators and if it becomes too much of a problem I can just ask the person to play a different deck for a while.
One other issue with BT15 was the fact that they forcibly injected LM cards into the set as well which neutered pull rates across the board. Rares, SRs, and the inclusion of another secret made trying to get a playset of just core BT15 difficult. But yeah, Apocalymon was the other issue too.
@@DIGI-PANDA Interesting. I only started playing VERY recently after that set came out, so I appreciate the insight. It's super interesting to hear about the stuff that happened before I got into the game.
@@StarkMaximum Some of the most unpopular sets so far released in the Digimon card game are BT11, where they introduced foil common/uncommon cards that could eat a rare slot, and BT15, which added additional cards into a core set. For the first sets of Digimon, Special Booster 1.0 and 1.5, these were BT1, 2 and 3 combined into 2 releases versus 3. Similarly we will be getting something for 18, 19 and 20 by the end of this year. Which will probably be another problem set for players.
My answer is going to be Examon. Start of opponents turn force the attack after effects have faded and before a binding ready can be played. Block it with the big dragon. Profit?
The not gaining protection until after the resolution of the security effect doesn’t seem consistent with Phoenixmon from BT-11, unless I have been misinterpreting that card’s effect as well. How it’s been explained to me was the card is removed from security THEN activated, meaning Phoenixmon’s all turns would be able to resolve before the battle/security effect. Have I been misinformed, or if not, how is that effect different than Magna X? They’re worded almost identically
Based on what I'm reading, I believe you have been misinterpreting the card's effect. Whenever you check security, you must resolve all effects of security and battle before any other effects trigger. Wargreymon X is the example I highlight specifically that does this as well. Even if you check security, memory is not gain until after resolution. As a result, if you remove Wargreymon X at resolution of security, you do not gain the memory. After all security effects are resolved, the effect is now triggered. Then battle happens. EDIT: Minor correction in regard to battle.
@@DIGI-PANDA So the battle with the security digimon doesnt matter at all. The effects of wargrey x, phoenixmon, and magnamon x will all have activated before the battle with the security digimon. If a card with a security effect is revealed you are correct about the security effect needing to activate before the effects of the 3 aforementioned cards and others like them.
@@Lonexwolfy Ah, my mistake. I double checked with a judge just to be sure. Attack into Security Security Check Magnamon X goes into triggered pending state Resolve Security Effects/Security Digimon If at this time, Magnamon X is removed, no immunity. Otherwise, Magnamon X gains immunity and DP buffs Security Battle.
Darkknightmon has a pretty good match up against armor decks as it bypasses armor purge and also has enough blockers to stop it from triggering it again
Here is a list of some cards I think may help to counter the MagnaX Venusmon Gomamon Pause Plug-in P Highspeed Plug-in D Battle protection effs Raid (with big numbers) Fanglongmon BWGX Sorai (source strip in general) Rafflesimon/Rosemon/RoseX Blast fire BT1 Rusttyranno BT2 And lastly new imperial dragon fighter combo. All that said he could still be banned. His eff is lil lazy and way to easy to proc
So the one thing I think was missing from this otherwise very informative video was the existence of BT15 Nyaromon. It lets Magnamon X declare an attack, suspend, use nyaro’s effect to remove one of its own security, and then trigger Magnamon X to be unsuspended, immune, and +3k. That’s my biggest gripe with magnamon x: you can make it literally unavoidable with the right build. At that point, the counters become narrower, it’s either bigger blockers, big raiders (Wargrey being both actually makes it have an important niche this format), or interactions that occur on or last until the opponent’s turn (Final Shining Burst, Good Night Moon, and Gracenovamon come to mind)
While I do agree that Nyaromon and yellow vaccine variants of the build are going to be obnoxious, I've played with the yellow version of the build a little bit and I find it a bit awkward. My reasoning for finding the build awkward ultimately stems from the fact that unlike the blue variant of the build, you have the cheaper digivolution costs with Veemon to Magnamon for a cost of 3, then you can climb into Magnamon X immediate for a cost of 5. With the yellow variant, while true you can utilize Nyaromon to gain the memory and the immunity/unsuspend immediately, your line relies more on the Patamons, climbing into Rapidmon IN SECURITY, then either one, using the Awakening of the Golden Knight option card or a level 5 before going into Magnamon X. While yes you can cheat it with Emissary of Hope, this does depend on you having Magnamon X in security and is also relying on another card. So while I do agree that the Nyaromon egg with Magnamon X is very strong (and borderline busted), I felt the efficiency wasn't as clean as blue base.
@@DIGI-PANDA for sure, there’s tradeoffs with building it either way. But it’ll be fine, this deck will LIKELY be the BDIF but big walls like Tyrant and Wargrey will keep it in check. Now I’m a little worried about Heaven’s Judgement, cause it keeps popping up more and more as more of these two color yellow decks see more play, as they have in Japan. Not saying it needs to be limited but we should start having a conversation about the card and what it means to have so many meta decks be able to abuse it.
@@henriquecrizzomendonca4193 Hilariously, I had 2 dead in hand in testing the other day because I couldn't find my yellow Magnamons or my Magnamon X. That was a rough start.
Eeeh, there are ways around it, sure, but you need very specific timing for it to work, and often that'll mean waiting for its first 'when digivolving' to fizzle out. It's effectively a lvl5 in magnamon deck too, so it'll be able to outpace a lot of decks that rely on lvl6s. Like I know power creep is a thing, but making a card almost uninteractable (battle being the exception) isn't a fun move. Most protection has limited uses or only caters to specific forms of removal. At least sleep mode, the other card with universal effect protection, was unable to attack and would be trashed the following turn.
This is what I liked most about Sleep Mode. While true, it had universal protection it couldn't battle and could stop a battle. But Magnamon X seems like the big step up for some players and a huge oversight from development.
@@DIGI-PANDA Yeah. Hopefully it doesn't end up too bad. A couple of people at my locals play magnamon, so I'm not looking forward to it. Thanks for the information on ways to get around it! Probably gonna have to drop my purple decks, and focus on blocking it with my black decks.
Great video! I didn't know that attack re-direction effects like EX5 MetalEtemon could be used on MagnamonX after invulnerability. Also, from what u know, is the security resolution order: Security check> security-effect resolution> remove security(to trigger MagnaX)> Battle security-Digimon?? I couldn't find the info on official rulings, but that's what some people say.
This is correct. I might have flubbed it in the video but wanted to address each and every comment that asks. Magnamon X attacks into security. Security check - puts Magnamon X into a triggered Pending State. Security Effect resolution - Tamers, Digimon, Option cards Resolve any additional effects that may happen because of met criteria Magnamon X fully resolves to be immune and gains +3000 DP Security Battle.
@@DIGI-PANDA Nah, you did fine. I've noticed that the actual "removal" of a card from security wasn't part of the explanation, which is when MagnaX's effect would resolve. You say that the effect triggers and becomes pending on "security check", so does this mean that security check is when the "removal" of a card from security happens?
Correct. Magnamon X, Wargreymon X, and BT11 Phoenixmon (as other example cards) all see the removal of the card from security when you check. At which, these Digimon go into a triggered pending state. You then resolve the check, so if it is an option card, or security Digimon effect, that resolves first. At which if the above Digimon are no longer in play, the effect whiffs.
@@DIGI-PANDA Gotcha, thanks for the explanation. Feels a lot like Yugioh's chain-effect resolution where the newest effects activate before the preceding effects.
One difference is that there is chain blocking in Yu-Gi-Oh. Only a handful of card games do not allow interruptive effects and I feel that the Garudamon ACE example I cited feels like it's interruptive even though Magnamon X is already triggered and pending.
MagnaX is a card that finally puts armor rush on the fore front which im happy about, tho its inclusion to the game has already sparked the idea of omni protection effects like how the New EX6 Ragnaloard has. As a Jesmon player, Ill gladly take the free immunity and restanding from GX effect because MagnaX sees itself as an inheritable for the whenDigivolving effect.
I think Magnamon X is definitely giving armor a time to shine. Is it too much? I can see the perspectives of both players who love it and don't love it. Hard to believe in BT11 we had Greymon X to complain about ha ha.
So if Magnamon X checks security with 12k DP and the digimon revealed also has 12k DP, does Magnamon X trigger before they security battle? It's an argument I've been having with friends. Even at locals.
Magnamon X would trigger first in this situation first. The only thing that supercedes Magnamon X's effect is the security effect that actually happens - playing a tamer could affect what happens in the case of Garudamon ACE. Likewise, security option cards that might DP reduce Magnamon X to 0, delete, bounce or de-digivolve it would also activate first before immunity occurs.
Correct. This one one mistake I made in the video. The correct order is Security Check - Magnamon X goes into triggered/pending state, resolve security effects, Magnamon X resolves, then battle.
Collison also counter magna x , even though you cant give blocker to it, he is alreasdy one, and the effect of being forced to block its targeting the player no the digimon
Correct! Only downside is you'll need to be bigger and they need to only have Magnamon X in play. If they have another Digimon in play they can just chump block.
Alternatively you can taunt Magna X with Doruga, digivolve into Dorugrey and pass. Start of their Main Phase they`re forced to attack. Block with Dorugrey, then since an attack switched, you can go into Dorugora for free. Since the Doru line generally give you a 2k DP buff, they`ll be successfully blocked. The thing is.. Armor Purge then going into another Magnamon X. lol
@@ArcJamneel you can also use sheepmon if your willing to sacrifice a few spaces. so long as sheepmon is on the board, you can immediately end any attack that has switched their target.
I agree, everyone should be aware that this card isn't all that, so when it releases you don't need to buy it for high prices, let that price fall low!low! (I don't even actually care about meta, I play for fun with my wife, Veemon armour is just one of my favourite decks)
Since you mentioned redirecting attacks, does this mean that bt9 Magma X can redirect the attack to itself, and put itself into security afterwards when it gets deleted?
Correct. When BT9 Magnamon X would be deleted, by effect or battle, it places itself on the security stack to prevent the stack deletion. So you get a Magnamon or whatever is underneath to play
Hi I had a question regarding the Valky ACE effects that came up in a recent game. On my board I have valkymon ace on play and my opponent starts their turn by raising patamon out then, Opp plays emissary of hope to digivolve into BT8-Rapidmon. I was unsure on effect order here, does the rapidmon on digivolve effect to suspend and give -5000DP trigger before valky all turn effect to delete a digimon of 8000DP when something is removed from security stack?
I'm not an official judge, and all the judges that I normally correspond with are unavailable at the moment but I'll take a stab at it. I believe the Emissary of Hope must fully resolve first, meaning if your opponent does digivolve into BT8 Rapidmon, the security will recover if they have a tamer with T.K. Takaishi in play. Immediately after resolution, Valkyrimon ACE would trigger its All Turns/Once Per a Turn effect because its condition was met first. Your opponent's Digimon would then be deleted with 8000 DP or less. Rapidmon would then Armor Purge, then the When Digivolving effect for it would normally happen but it's no longer in play. My reference point here is that when a Digimon has an On Play effect, if there is a blanket DP reduction and the Digimon is deleted, it would not get it's on play effect before the DP reduction deletes it. I'll double check with a judge and follow up later today.
You would not. If your Digimon with the BT14 Koromon inheritable is removed via an option card before the security battle takes place, you do not draw.
Honestly, I do not see Blinding Ray getting the hit. There's no security effect, it doesn't add to hand AND you have to draw into it. Could you get to it with memory fixer T.K.? Absolutely. But dedicating space to certain niche scenarios while trading off for something else could be a drawback.
Still the same result. It doesn't matter if Magnamon X or the other Digimon does the check, typically security effects give the player the opportunity to choose the targets.
Assuming it doesn't hit an option card that deletes it and it's not something ginormous like Omnimon X... the effect says you MAY activate the When Digivolving Effect. However, the entirety of the When Digivolving effect is mandatory so you would have to do both the unsuspend and gain protection.
The best way I can explain it is taking the cards and stacking them on top of each other as effects trigger (their condition of effect has been met). Then when they are fully resolved, remove them from the pile. Magnamon X attacks into security. Checks a tamer. Immediately, Magnamon X goes into a pending state for resolution because the security effects must be triggered first. Tamers play themselves with their security effect. Garudamon immediately sees the tamer being played, and as a result goes into a pending state, so now it's on top of the Magnamon X. Resolve the order of the events. Delete a Digimon with blocker. Now new stack effect. Magnamon X's armor purge activates. No other effects, so armor purge resolves and then Magnamon's immunity effect - but because Magnamon X is already gone, nothing happens.
The problem yeah got plan to counter but since you cant choose much card to counter magnaX end up just loose the game and same tragedy happen to apocalymon deck..
I'll concede that your options are very limited. And because of the fact that certain effects can already be mitigated because of yellow, it makes it at times a race for security.
My favorite as a yellow player Hard play Angewomon Ace for -6k DP that persist and evolve into MagnaDramon for - 9k DP that persists. Boom -15k that persist, nothing in God's green earth (minus Alphamon Oryuken, and that one machinedramon I think) can survive that
@@DIGI-PANDA both Angewomon and Magnadramon refresh the security they lost if you're at 4 or below, so it's not as pricey. 1 security is a cheap price to pay to delete Belphemon while the other player thinks they're invincible.
This is unrelated to the card game but I really wanna know why and how did they come up with this Magnamon X like what is he when looking him up I only get results about regular Magna X so it’s just makes me question even more what is he?
Wait, I don't get it. In the Garuda ace example, why does Garuda trigger first? I can understand the tamer possibly triggering an on play effect as part of the security timing, but I don't understand why priority suddenly stops prioritizing the turn player (magnamon X) to prioritize the opponent (Garuda)
Ding ding ding! This is correct. Garudamon triggers first because a newer effect has now triggered due to a tamer being played. So after the tamer is played, Garudamon's conditions have been met, triggers, goes into pending, then resolves since nothing else happens. After this resolves, then Magnamon X resolves.
Ahh, okay, so basically magnamon's effect was already triggered, but because Garuda's effect triggered on top it gets to resolve first....I get it but it's wild how that works, not a lot of other examples of this interaction is thee
@@TheBcsar Correct! So know that after security is checked, you still need to resolve the security and battle before the entire immunity and dp buff takes place. Of course, any other triggers that happen in between can cause additional triggers if the conditions are met.
I think also that its a really big posibility that we will get a new restricted list for the time we get bt 16 because of the ocg format will be without a list almost 5 months and there are some ways to slowdown the regular magna vercion of the deck and the yellow vaccine one also the crazy amount of other decks that abuse some other digimons
I've been playing with some of the new support cards from BT16. As much as I feel Ukkomon should get a limit to 1, I don't think they'll touch it until after EX6 or BT17. Primarily because if they do limit it, it significantly kills BigUkkomon as a deck - which would be like a repeat of Apocalymon.
@@DIGI-PANDA yeah I dont think the should ban the new ukkomon in my opinion the cards they should limit will go some what like this Limits Promo Ukkomon: he had his time to shine and with things like the new support for hybrids and decks like numemon this hit will help them to slow down Messenger of hope: I feel that card only gets better with time and its one of the reasons why magna x its played in yellow decks for so little Awakening of the golden knight: this will help to slow down the magna decks making it that you always have to pay 5 or have to set up to digivolve it for cheap
@@mathibell5236 this could just be my yellow bias, but I don't think Emissary of hope needs to get hit. The card is by it's nature RNG based since it requires you to have something in security to digivolve into. Thankfully, it's in Yellow which has plenty of ways of setting up security... The majority of which is also RNG. The card basically requires you to run bt 14 T.K. so that you can more consistently setup your security with what you want to be able to digivolve into (to be fair, something that yellow vax lists already wanna run since it makes patamon more consistent. ) The card also only works with Yellow vaccine digimon so any good yellow deck that isn't based around vaccines (like, say, Yellow hybrid when it gets more support ) probably isn't gonna run it. It's also a card that gets worse the longer the game goes on since the less security you have, the less chances you have of actually hitting something in there to digivolve into. Compare that to something like Hidden Potential Discovered. HPD basically works with all green digimon so it ain't really limited, it essentially requires no setup to use, and it's also basically good at all points in the game. HPD is far more splashable and consistent then Emissary of Hope ever will be. So, yeah, when compared with something that does a similar job and was hit (and still determined to need to stay on the list ), I think Emissary of hope is fine.
@@phoenixwright784 yeah I get your point but my main reason was the idea that first if you limit 1 and not the other at the end you didnt stop them that much you just chain the way they do their combo but the deck will be a problem But to counter your point my idea with messenger of hope is that the card isn't as broken as hdp but its falls in the category of things like greymon x both can be broken depending on game state but finding it at the beginning to rush your tower its the best result and to take their maximum value you need to have a set up. And by that logic both fall for me in the same category its a card that the more time passes it only gets better and it doesnt matter that its lock in to an archetype or category because it helps to acceleration of those decks in a really strong way
@mathibell5236 I don't think it's comparable to greymon x either. Greymon x, being a greymon and an x-antibody, is absurdly searchable and so extremely consistent in comparison to emissary of hope. It's also completely free (imagine how much more balanced the card would be if it didn't digivolve for 0 off of greymon. It it still need to be limited? Not sure, honestly ) it also provided an absurd amount of protection as an inherit. There are plenty of cards that allow digivolution acceleration that no one talks about needing to be limited. Think of all the stuff in green that makes digivolution cheaper, for example. I don't agree with the assumption that because x did it and got hit that means that y or z should as well.
Correct. The moment Nyaromon triggers, immunity kicks in and you'll get the simultaneous unsuspend. There are quite a number of issues though with this build. This build will rely heavily on Rapidmon and level 5 ACE digimon to climb up quickly into Magnamon X. However, because Magnamons aren't vaccine in trait, this negates the advantage of warping to the level 6 that blue gets.
@@DIGI-PANDA i mean they do use awakening of the golden knight to skip from rapid to magna but the one weakness that version has is no dp inheritables so its more vulnerable to dp- that lasts until the end of opp turn
@@guardna5102 This is also true. However, I would like to frame it this way. With blue base Magnamon X, you utilize Veemon, go into Magnamon, then go into Magnamon X. No extra cards needed. With yellow base, sure you have the Nyaromon as the egg, but you don't have yellow Terriermons, which means you need to cheat with Patamon into Rapidmon - which has a strong chance of having the Rapidmon in there with so many copies. If not, you would rely on having the option card Emissary of Hope. Best case scenario, Patamon to Rapidmon to Golden Armor to Magnamon X still requires an additional card. Which means you're utilizing your deck space under tighter constraints if you wanted security bombs.
Blue base Magnamon X can de-digivolve and utilizes the Heaven's judgment option card. While yellow does predominantly DP reduction. For Jesmon, Jesmon X can let you attack your opponent's unsuspended Digimon, so that is one way to circumvent Magnamon X if it's unsuspended. Downside? It can just armor purge. You'll want more of the Blanc blockers as well because this can stave off the attacks. I'll need to test more though to figure out the play.
The way it was explained to me. Magnamon X attacks into Security with Garudamon ACE in play. Security Check - Magnamon X goes into a triggered PENDING STATE Security Check Resolution: Red Tamer is revealed - Security - Places itself into the battle area without paying cost. NEW CHAIN - Garudamon ACE is now triggered because a tamer was put into play during all turns and goes into a pending state. No other effects to resolve. Garudamon ACE resolves first because it's the newest effect on the "stack" Attempt to delete blocker NEW CHAIN - Magnamon X has the choice to activate Armor Purge or just let the stack go. Resolve Magnamon X to armor purge. No other effects to resolve. Magnamon X no longer in play to gain immunity and DP buffs.
But there are literally No Chains in digimon, its rule are LITERALLY not like yugi oh or magic with chaining effects, at best you could say that garudamon ace trigger is the latest so it has to resolve first but that still doesnt make sense when we again have to apply turn player priority, was this consulted with just 1 judge or an actual Email to Bandai?
@@DIGI-PANDA there is no chain or "stack", literally turn player effects resolve first, its why victorygreymons ex4 second effect can whiff if you delete something with its first effect that has an on deletion that plays something, turn player has priority
@@Foxkhine Consulted with multiple judges, one of which is Level 0 judge who has direct contact with the developers. The only time turn player has priority if multiple effects would trigger simultaneously which is why I used the Valkryimon ACE/Magnamon X as another example. You are correct in that aren't chains - I thought the phrasing might help in this situation. My apologies that it did not. You've answered the question at this point with your statement, that Garudamon ACE is the latest to trigger so it must resolve first before Magnamon X who is still pending.
It’s not wrong to say there’s a chain - the reason we don’t is because Bandai hasn’t ruled that there is one, but the chain follows this line of thinking: LIFO, or Last In, First Out, meaning Last effect triggered is the first effect to resolve. This is where turn priority matters - if two effects trigger simultaneously, then the turn player’s effect will trigger first. In the case of Garuda ACE, the sequence is Magna X does the security check -> checks tamer -> Magna X’s effect triggers -> Tamer security effect triggers -> Tamer resolves effect and plays itself (LIFO) -> Garuda ACE’s effect triggers -> Garuda ACE resolves effect and deletes Basically reiterated what you said, but what helped me understand this like of thinking was that there ARE chains/stacks in Digimon; we just don’t have official rules yet.
I don’t agree with an out right ban. But it does need to be limited. Yes there is potential to counter play but the exact scenarios you explained are about it. You have to play one of those specific colors or cards. Not everyone likes those colors or likes the way they play so….yeah idk bud.
I'm on the edge of the fence on what to do with this card. Is it dominating in JP? No, but JP tends to move to the next set instead of camping with older decks.
In that specific situation, Magnamon X and Valkryimon X both trigger and go into a pending state at the SAME TIME. As a result, whoever is turn player has priority. Garudamon ACE supercedes in that instance because Magnamon X has already triggered and gone into pending state, reveals a tamer, Tamer activates its security effect which then triggers Garudamon ACE's effect, which now fully resolves before Magnamon X.
@@DIGI-PANDA got it, basically because Valkyrimons effect is the same where it has to go into a pending state like Magnamon, nothing outside of both of their effects are resolving anymore which is then when Turn Priority can kick in vs Garudamon is still an effect that must resolve before Magnamons pending state. Thanks.
I am having trouble understanding this, do new effect go on top, the security is removed after the effect is actuvated and the effect is playing the tamer, it's revealed and play then it being played amd it being removed would gave the same timing, minister go to the trash before battle but options and gamers are revealed and then activated
What happens if Security+1 with Fire Rocket The First check would be a normal card, but the Second check would be something that removes Magna X Does Immunity work in this case?
It doesn't matter that the magna x had 2 o r 3 checks how its effect works its after the first security is checked yuo can activate his when digivolving
After the first check resolves, and Magnamon X is not removed via security effect or battle, your immunity immediately kicks in. Any subsequent checks after would be fine (assuming you don't run into a big beefy body that's 15000 DP if you don't have the all turns +1000 or 16000 DP)
I was expecting to see the Pause plug in in here. But maybe I am not aware of the right interaction with magnamon x and the card. Anyways thanks for the info
Definitely works! Hadn't considered it because the cost is something that's kind of a factor. I do like it though and agree with @bigz11 that it'll definitely be a Sakuyamon thing.
Correct! Security is checked. Magnamon X goes into a triggered, PENDING state Security effects from security check resolve. Afterwards, resolve Magnamon X Battle occurs. EDIT: Slight hiccup on battle. This has been corrected.
@@DIGI-PANDA slight correction: the security *battle* resolves after all pending effects, so it’s after magnaX’s protection kicks in. general resolution order is 1) [security] effects, 2) “when a card is removed from security” effects, 3) security battle
Quick question about the red tamer in security. If magna attack sec and its a red tamer with Garuda ace on field. would he's effect have priority ? Being its turn ?
Sadly no because the tamer being played triggers Garuda ACE effect. Since it’s the newest effect in the resolution of effects it has to be resolved first.
@@oreox1000 thanks ! Quick second question: if i digi to omnimon merciful mode at the start of my turn to trash the top of opp sec does magna x actived ?
Thanks @oreox1000! Appreciate you answering a lot of these while I had meetings XD. Anytime a security is removed - whether it be yours or your opponents, it triggers Magnamon X's effect.
I'll just set up a MASSIVE Gaiomon with all turn dp buffs and shred all of their security, reboot in order to block next turn, and see what the MagnaX player does.
@DIGI-PANDA Imperial has a decent time against MagnaX, but the player has to be willing to run a slower build. In bt16, there's two Imperial builds. One is focused on bt12 Imperial FM doing most of the work, which is the slower one. The other is a Paildra focused build that makes bt16 Pail, and to a lesser extent ST Pail, the main method of damage being dealt.
Ah, yes, because there are a few situational cards that may work in very specific scenarios and everyone in the game will have to include in their decks to build them around magnamon, it means the card is not broken. Truly, Digimon players fascinate me.
I can see both lines of thought here. To put it on another comparison to another broken card, one problem is Apocalymon had almost no way counter play, other then playing Apocalymon. Decking out was pretty much the win condition once you set up one Apocalymon, if not two. And while you could argue flood gates could stop you from play Apocalymon, you could still digivolve into it. With Magnamon X, I wanted to frame it that while yes, this card is powerful in many ways, there are several ways to counter it. Do I personally think the card is broken? I think it's powerful to the extent that in the right deck, yes.
While true, one major disadvantage about this card is the fact that you must have a white source in play, and all decks might not necessarily have that (unless you're running Ukkomon)
@@DIGI-PANDA i like this just as much as venus since u can put this in any deck as long as u have a tamer out. Plus can be used to counter blast ace decks so they can't hit u with their effects on swing
I think the problem is some players aren't willing to wait for the adaptation. Though in some ways, I can't even imagine playing Apocalymon for like 4 months. That sounds miserable alone. Also 10/10 on the name. "Welmed" XD
@@PlusUltraG I can agree and empathize with players who are upset about certain cards. But now I feel that we can get upset about it or learn to adapt into the situation.
TLDR SUMMARY: I made one minor mistake from a comment a judge made. The attack resolves AFTER Magnamon X resolves the security option or Digimon security effects. Otherwise, here's the gist of what happens.
Whenever Magnamon X attacks, here's the order of events:
Security Check - Magnamon X goes into a triggered/PENDING STATE
Resolve Security Check
- Resolve Security Effects of Option Cards, Tamers, and Digimon
Resolve any additional effects whose criteria have been met
Resolve Magnamon X - Gain Immunity and DP Buff
Security Battle
Said it in the reply to another comment, but I’ll put it here for visibility.
It’s not wrong to say there’s a chain - the reason we don’t is because Bandai hasn’t ruled that there is one, but the chain follows this line of thinking: LIFO, or Last In, First Out, meaning Last effect triggered is the first effect to resolve. This is where turn priority matters - if two effects trigger simultaneously, then the turn player’s effect will trigger first.
In the case of Garuda ACE, the sequence is Magna X does the security check -> checks tamer -> Magna X’s effect triggers -> Tamer security effect triggers -> Tamer resolves effect and plays itself (LIFO) -> Garuda ACE’s effect triggers -> Garuda ACE resolves effect and deletes.
We as Digimon players have been conditioned to abide by “turn player priority” for effects, which wasn’t an issue until very recently due to power creep and how effects interact on opposing player’s turns. So, to nerf this line of thinking, instead of saying “Turn Player Priority” we should be saying “LIFO”, and only when two effects trigger at the same time - something like an [On Deletion] and [When a Digimon is Deleted] that turn player priority matters.
Well spoken! I pondered back and forth on whether it would be an appropriate analogy because in some ways, the commentor was right in that we don't have "chains" but I wanted to explain it in a way that made sense with prior card game knowledge in other fields. Visually speaking now, I've been going with the picture the cards being stacked on the table as they go into triggered/pending effects and remove them as they resolve. But Last in, First Out is definitely a great way to explain it! Thanks for that insight!
New category: Semi-Limited so it gets hit to only 2 copies allowed. Jokes aside, timing is going to be a big factor in the BT16 meta so locations better have judges available. Me, I am going to share this with my community as you already mentioned talking with judges so we can know the interactions ahead of time. Thank you for another great video.
You're very welcome! This doesn't cover EVERY scenario but it does cover a few niche ones that I have already seen or heard. They're kind of fun to decipher.
Gracenovamon will be another very good counter against Magnamon X. The blue tamer lets you digivolve at the start of your opponent's turn, after the protection has worn off and before they can reapply it.
Also true! And most of Magnamon X's removal is in the form of Heaven's Judgment, meaning they'd have to play it after your Gracenovamon has hit the board. Sadly, DP reduction does delete Gracenovamon but that'd only happen if their Magnamon X can stick on the board (which I doubt).
You can Merciful Mode and protect before it matters.
Why on earth did they have to give it armor purge along with immunity. Both is overkill.
Because it technically not a regular magnamon x in lore it is actually a mode change of magnamon x a powered up ultimate defense form of it
Lore reason
I would be fine with if magnamon x didnt say this digimon becomes unaffected instead of this card becomes unaffected
100% lore reasons. Apocalymon was kind of the same - lore reasons.
Love the way this turned out! May we all survive the Magnamon X storm together lol
-Jorel
Thank you! We got this! Other than my one mild goof ha ha, I think this was important to explain to players.
That exact Valkyrimon Ace scenario happened to me just yesterday! I was so confused why it Magna was still standing ha so happy to get some clarity!
It depends on who's turn it is and if Magnamon X digivolved that turn.
I love that they apologized for overtuning Apocalymon, all the while this monstrosity was on the horizon. The only true counter is Venusmon.
Blast digivolution is honestly another great counter - BUT if it blinding rays pre-emptively you're just SOL unless you got a big beefy blocker.
So then, i would say the bugs is a direct counter cuz of the big numbers dp bosses and the redirect..
@@Dark25L I like the way you think. That makes Machinedramon good, too.
Unlike Apocalymon, who can literally kill you without even interacting. Magna X needs you to interact (either attacking with him or use something to remove Security to proc his effect).
Actually other card(s) can counter, one in mind is: Final Shining Burst. Anything that has a lingering effect can target unaffected digimon. And bc the protection effect ends on your opponent's turn, Magna X will be deleted since it's only 12k.
thank you for this video, it was so useful to actually understand security interactions
My only error was in regards to DP Comparisons happening last. I misread something a judge sent me. This has been corrected in the pinned post! Thanks for the feedback!
I like your video presentation. It is informative too, at the same time. Thanks a lot for your guidance!
Always! This channel aims to be informative and get to the point. I value your time!
I don't think it needs to be banned, but I wouldn't cry my eyes out if it got limited, and I do think cards with this level of protection are a dangerous route to take. They're going to want to keep one-upping themselves to keep selling boxes of future sets, so I'm really not looking forward to the day they need to outpace Magnamon X with an even more powerful big name Digimon. That said, if I recall, sales of BT15 were rough because Apocalymon got limited before release, but as a result we didn't have to deal with the nightmare Apocalymon meta that JP did. That's a win for the players, and it shows that someone up on the chain is thinking about that kind of thing. I dunno, just feels like there's a lot to think about.
I don't play competitively anyway, so it's not like I have to worry about it like it's my job. I'm just playing on simulators and if it becomes too much of a problem I can just ask the person to play a different deck for a while.
One other issue with BT15 was the fact that they forcibly injected LM cards into the set as well which neutered pull rates across the board. Rares, SRs, and the inclusion of another secret made trying to get a playset of just core BT15 difficult.
But yeah, Apocalymon was the other issue too.
@@DIGI-PANDA Interesting. I only started playing VERY recently after that set came out, so I appreciate the insight. It's super interesting to hear about the stuff that happened before I got into the game.
@@StarkMaximum Some of the most unpopular sets so far released in the Digimon card game are BT11, where they introduced foil common/uncommon cards that could eat a rare slot, and BT15, which added additional cards into a core set.
For the first sets of Digimon, Special Booster 1.0 and 1.5, these were BT1, 2 and 3 combined into 2 releases versus 3. Similarly we will be getting something for 18, 19 and 20 by the end of this year. Which will probably be another problem set for players.
My answer is going to be Examon. Start of opponents turn force the attack after effects have faded and before a binding ready can be played. Block it with the big dragon. Profit?
Redirects will be probably the best thing to do.
The not gaining protection until after the resolution of the security effect doesn’t seem consistent with Phoenixmon from BT-11, unless I have been misinterpreting that card’s effect as well. How it’s been explained to me was the card is removed from security THEN activated, meaning Phoenixmon’s all turns would be able to resolve before the battle/security effect. Have I been misinformed, or if not, how is that effect different than Magna X? They’re worded almost identically
Based on what I'm reading, I believe you have been misinterpreting the card's effect. Whenever you check security, you must resolve all effects of security and battle before any other effects trigger.
Wargreymon X is the example I highlight specifically that does this as well. Even if you check security, memory is not gain until after resolution. As a result, if you remove Wargreymon X at resolution of security, you do not gain the memory.
After all security effects are resolved, the effect is now triggered. Then battle happens.
EDIT: Minor correction in regard to battle.
@@DIGI-PANDA So the battle with the security digimon doesnt matter at all. The effects of wargrey x, phoenixmon, and magnamon x will all have activated before the battle with the security digimon.
If a card with a security effect is revealed you are correct about the security effect needing to activate before the effects of the 3 aforementioned cards and others like them.
@@Lonexwolfy Ah, my mistake. I double checked with a judge just to be sure.
Attack into Security
Security Check
Magnamon X goes into triggered pending state
Resolve Security Effects/Security Digimon
If at this time, Magnamon X is removed, no immunity.
Otherwise, Magnamon X gains immunity and DP buffs
Security Battle.
You can slam Angewomon Ace and digivolve it into BT15 Magnadramon for a total of -15k onto their turn. Start of their turn, MagnaX dies immediately
Another option to circumvent the immunity. Yellow has a lot of fun tools to do this.
Darkknightmon has a pretty good match up against armor decks as it bypasses armor purge and also has enough blockers to stop it from triggering it again
Very true! Nene doing work!
Here is a list of some cards I think may help to counter the MagnaX
Venusmon
Gomamon
Pause Plug-in P
Highspeed Plug-in D
Battle protection effs
Raid (with big numbers)
Fanglongmon
BWGX
Sorai (source strip in general)
Rafflesimon/Rosemon/RoseX
Blast fire BT1
Rusttyranno BT2
And lastly new imperial dragon fighter combo.
All that said he could still be banned. His eff is lil lazy and way to easy to proc
All great counters! I think the best ones are going to be Venus and Pause Plug In P.
So the one thing I think was missing from this otherwise very informative video was the existence of BT15 Nyaromon. It lets Magnamon X declare an attack, suspend, use nyaro’s effect to remove one of its own security, and then trigger Magnamon X to be unsuspended, immune, and +3k. That’s my biggest gripe with magnamon x: you can make it literally unavoidable with the right build. At that point, the counters become narrower, it’s either bigger blockers, big raiders (Wargrey being both actually makes it have an important niche this format), or interactions that occur on or last until the opponent’s turn (Final Shining Burst, Good Night Moon, and Gracenovamon come to mind)
While I do agree that Nyaromon and yellow vaccine variants of the build are going to be obnoxious, I've played with the yellow version of the build a little bit and I find it a bit awkward.
My reasoning for finding the build awkward ultimately stems from the fact that unlike the blue variant of the build, you have the cheaper digivolution costs with Veemon to Magnamon for a cost of 3, then you can climb into Magnamon X immediate for a cost of 5.
With the yellow variant, while true you can utilize Nyaromon to gain the memory and the immunity/unsuspend immediately, your line relies more on the Patamons, climbing into Rapidmon IN SECURITY, then either one, using the Awakening of the Golden Knight option card or a level 5 before going into Magnamon X. While yes you can cheat it with Emissary of Hope, this does depend on you having Magnamon X in security and is also relying on another card. So while I do agree that the Nyaromon egg with Magnamon X is very strong (and borderline busted), I felt the efficiency wasn't as clean as blue base.
@@DIGI-PANDA for sure, there’s tradeoffs with building it either way. But it’ll be fine, this deck will LIKELY be the BDIF but big walls like Tyrant and Wargrey will keep it in check. Now I’m a little worried about Heaven’s Judgement, cause it keeps popping up more and more as more of these two color yellow decks see more play, as they have in Japan. Not saying it needs to be limited but we should start having a conversation about the card and what it means to have so many meta decks be able to abuse it.
@@henriquecrizzomendonca4193 Hilariously, I had 2 dead in hand in testing the other day because I couldn't find my yellow Magnamons or my Magnamon X. That was a rough start.
love using venusmon on a protected one then watching the prot wear off lol
They attack or use Blinding Ray.
Cool. It still doesn't do anything XD
Thank you for explain this complicated ruling. It would be a headache otherwise.
You're very welcome! Thank you for the support!
@@DIGI-PANDA It’s easy to support you. You make great content.
Doing gods work. Solid video
Thank you sir! For Wargreymon players.. I think we're fairly covered ha ha.
@@DIGI-PANDAyessir, Raid twice then Crimson blaze their bodies after lol
@@BboyStunna Goteem
Eeeh, there are ways around it, sure, but you need very specific timing for it to work, and often that'll mean waiting for its first 'when digivolving' to fizzle out. It's effectively a lvl5 in magnamon deck too, so it'll be able to outpace a lot of decks that rely on lvl6s.
Like I know power creep is a thing, but making a card almost uninteractable (battle being the exception) isn't a fun move. Most protection has limited uses or only caters to specific forms of removal. At least sleep mode, the other card with universal effect protection, was unable to attack and would be trashed the following turn.
This is what I liked most about Sleep Mode. While true, it had universal protection it couldn't battle and could stop a battle. But Magnamon X seems like the big step up for some players and a huge oversight from development.
@@DIGI-PANDA Yeah. Hopefully it doesn't end up too bad. A couple of people at my locals play magnamon, so I'm not looking forward to it. Thanks for the information on ways to get around it!
Probably gonna have to drop my purple decks, and focus on blocking it with my black decks.
Great video! I didn't know that attack re-direction effects like EX5 MetalEtemon could be used on MagnamonX after invulnerability.
Also, from what u know, is the security resolution order:
Security check> security-effect resolution> remove security(to trigger MagnaX)> Battle security-Digimon??
I couldn't find the info on official rulings, but that's what some people say.
This is correct. I might have flubbed it in the video but wanted to address each and every comment that asks.
Magnamon X attacks into security.
Security check - puts Magnamon X into a triggered Pending State.
Security Effect resolution - Tamers, Digimon, Option cards
Resolve any additional effects that may happen because of met criteria
Magnamon X fully resolves to be immune and gains +3000 DP
Security Battle.
@@DIGI-PANDA Nah, you did fine. I've noticed that the actual "removal" of a card from security wasn't part of the explanation, which is when MagnaX's effect would resolve. You say that the effect triggers and becomes pending on "security check", so does this mean that security check is when the "removal" of a card from security happens?
Correct. Magnamon X, Wargreymon X, and BT11 Phoenixmon (as other example cards) all see the removal of the card from security when you check. At which, these Digimon go into a triggered pending state.
You then resolve the check, so if it is an option card, or security Digimon effect, that resolves first. At which if the above Digimon are no longer in play, the effect whiffs.
@@DIGI-PANDA Gotcha, thanks for the explanation. Feels a lot like Yugioh's chain-effect resolution where the newest effects activate before the preceding effects.
One difference is that there is chain blocking in Yu-Gi-Oh. Only a handful of card games do not allow interruptive effects and I feel that the Garudamon ACE example I cited feels like it's interruptive even though Magnamon X is already triggered and pending.
MagnaX is a card that finally puts armor rush on the fore front which im happy about, tho its inclusion to the game has already sparked the idea of omni protection effects like how the New EX6 Ragnaloard has. As a Jesmon player, Ill gladly take the free immunity and restanding from GX effect because MagnaX sees itself as an inheritable for the whenDigivolving effect.
I think Magnamon X is definitely giving armor a time to shine. Is it too much? I can see the perspectives of both players who love it and don't love it. Hard to believe in BT11 we had Greymon X to complain about ha ha.
So if Magnamon X checks security with 12k DP and the digimon revealed also has 12k DP, does Magnamon X trigger before they security battle? It's an argument I've been having with friends. Even at locals.
Magnamon X would trigger first in this situation first.
The only thing that supercedes Magnamon X's effect is the security effect that actually happens - playing a tamer could affect what happens in the case of Garudamon ACE. Likewise, security option cards that might DP reduce Magnamon X to 0, delete, bounce or de-digivolve it would also activate first before immunity occurs.
Doesn't the All Turns effect trigger before security battles?
Correct. This one one mistake I made in the video.
The correct order is Security Check - Magnamon X goes into triggered/pending state, resolve security effects, Magnamon X resolves, then battle.
Collison also counter magna x , even though you cant give blocker to it, he is alreasdy one, and the effect of being forced to block its targeting the player no the digimon
Correct! Only downside is you'll need to be bigger and they need to only have Magnamon X in play. If they have another Digimon in play they can just chump block.
Alternatively you can taunt Magna X with Doruga, digivolve into Dorugrey and pass. Start of their Main Phase they`re forced to attack. Block with Dorugrey, then since an attack switched, you can go into Dorugora for free. Since the Doru line generally give you a 2k DP buff, they`ll be successfully blocked. The thing is.. Armor Purge then going into another Magnamon X. lol
@@ArcJamneel you can also use sheepmon if your willing to sacrifice a few spaces.
so long as sheepmon is on the board, you can immediately end any attack that has switched their target.
@@ArcJamneel This is also true ha ha. The only problem is the armor purge.
I agree, everyone should be aware that this card isn't all that, so when it releases you don't need to buy it for high prices, let that price fall low!low!
(I don't even actually care about meta, I play for fun with my wife, Veemon armour is just one of my favourite decks)
I anticipate the secrets to be $40-50 on initial release if not higher. The problem is like Rina Shinomiya from BT11, these are staples at 4 ofs.
Since you mentioned redirecting attacks, does this mean that bt9 Magma X can redirect the attack to itself, and put itself into security afterwards when it gets deleted?
Correct. When BT9 Magnamon X would be deleted, by effect or battle, it places itself on the security stack to prevent the stack deletion. So you get a Magnamon or whatever is underneath to play
Hi I had a question regarding the Valky ACE effects that came up in a recent game.
On my board I have valkymon ace on play and my opponent starts their turn by raising patamon out then,
Opp plays emissary of hope to digivolve into BT8-Rapidmon.
I was unsure on effect order here, does the rapidmon on digivolve effect to suspend and give -5000DP trigger before valky all turn effect to delete a digimon of 8000DP when something is removed from security stack?
I'm not an official judge, and all the judges that I normally correspond with are unavailable at the moment but I'll take a stab at it.
I believe the Emissary of Hope must fully resolve first, meaning if your opponent does digivolve into BT8 Rapidmon, the security will recover if they have a tamer with T.K. Takaishi in play.
Immediately after resolution, Valkyrimon ACE would trigger its All Turns/Once Per a Turn effect because its condition was met first.
Your opponent's Digimon would then be deleted with 8000 DP or less.
Rapidmon would then Armor Purge, then the When Digivolving effect for it would normally happen but it's no longer in play.
My reference point here is that when a Digimon has an On Play effect, if there is a blanket DP reduction and the Digimon is deleted, it would not get it's on play effect before the DP reduction deletes it.
I'll double check with a judge and follow up later today.
@@DIGI-PANDA thank you!
Hi, Koromon BT14 can still Draw card if an Option removed from play? And battle check to?
You would not. If your Digimon with the BT14 Koromon inheritable is removed via an option card before the security battle takes place, you do not draw.
LAUGH in IMPERIALDRAMON: FIGHTER MODE ACE BT16-027 :D
What coincidental timing :3
I think Bandai will hit Blinding Ray to stop you getting prorection pre-emptively
Honestly, I do not see Blinding Ray getting the hit. There's no security effect, it doesn't add to hand AND you have to draw into it. Could you get to it with memory fixer T.K.? Absolutely. But dedicating space to certain niche scenarios while trading off for something else could be a drawback.
Nah Patamon 100% allows you to go turn 2 Magnamon
question: If I check opp's sec with another digi, but it reveals option with sec effect, which one activates first? my magna x or the sec?
Still the same result. It doesn't matter if Magnamon X or the other Digimon does the check, typically security effects give the player the opportunity to choose the targets.
So if a security is check, do I get to unsuspend AND get the protection or if it just one or the other?
Assuming it doesn't hit an option card that deletes it and it's not something ginormous like Omnimon X...
the effect says you MAY activate the When Digivolving Effect.
However, the entirety of the When Digivolving effect is mandatory so you would have to do both the unsuspend and gain protection.
The gurdamon ace would activate after manga because of turn priority?
The best way I can explain it is taking the cards and stacking them on top of each other as effects trigger (their condition of effect has been met). Then when they are fully resolved, remove them from the pile.
Magnamon X attacks into security. Checks a tamer.
Immediately, Magnamon X goes into a pending state for resolution because the security effects must be triggered first. Tamers play themselves with their security effect.
Garudamon immediately sees the tamer being played, and as a result goes into a pending state, so now it's on top of the Magnamon X. Resolve the order of the events.
Delete a Digimon with blocker.
Now new stack effect. Magnamon X's armor purge activates. No other effects, so armor purge resolves and then Magnamon's immunity effect - but because Magnamon X is already gone, nothing happens.
The problem yeah got plan to counter but since you cant choose much card to counter magnaX end up just loose the game and same tragedy happen to apocalymon deck..
I'll concede that your options are very limited. And because of the fact that certain effects can already be mitigated because of yellow, it makes it at times a race for security.
My favorite as a yellow player
Hard play Angewomon Ace for -6k DP that persist and evolve into MagnaDramon for - 9k DP that persists.
Boom -15k that persist, nothing in God's green earth (minus Alphamon Oryuken, and that one machinedramon I think) can survive that
Will cost some security but totally worth it.
@@DIGI-PANDA both Angewomon and Magnadramon refresh the security they lost if you're at 4 or below, so it's not as pricey. 1 security is a cheap price to pay to delete Belphemon while the other player thinks they're invincible.
While it requires a specific setup not 100% lethal if they have BT16 demivee and vee under but a very solid answer otherwise
@@tabuukiller13 Magnamon X has 12,000. Demivee and vee give 3000 total. It would still die. Because it has exactly - 15,000
@@crushingon i cant math ty.
This is unrelated to the card game but I really wanna know why and how did they come up with this Magnamon X like what is he when looking him up I only get results about regular Magna X so it’s just makes me question even more what is he?
Wikimon.net covers some of the concept sketches. From my understanding, it's like Magnamon X ascending and going beyond for the combat moment.
Wait, I don't get it. In the Garuda ace example, why does Garuda trigger first? I can understand the tamer possibly triggering an on play effect as part of the security timing, but I don't understand why priority suddenly stops prioritizing the turn player (magnamon X) to prioritize the opponent (Garuda)
Newer effects in the chain becomes priority and must resolve first
Ding ding ding! This is correct. Garudamon triggers first because a newer effect has now triggered due to a tamer being played. So after the tamer is played, Garudamon's conditions have been met, triggers, goes into pending, then resolves since nothing else happens. After this resolves, then Magnamon X resolves.
Ahh, okay, so basically magnamon's effect was already triggered, but because Garuda's effect triggered on top it gets to resolve first....I get it but it's wild how that works, not a lot of other examples of this interaction is thee
@@TheBcsar Correct! So know that after security is checked, you still need to resolve the security and battle before the entire immunity and dp buff takes place. Of course, any other triggers that happen in between can cause additional triggers if the conditions are met.
I think also that its a really big posibility that we will get a new restricted list for the time we get bt 16 because of the ocg format will be without a list almost 5 months and there are some ways to slowdown the regular magna vercion of the deck and the yellow vaccine one also the crazy amount of other decks that abuse some other digimons
I've been playing with some of the new support cards from BT16. As much as I feel Ukkomon should get a limit to 1, I don't think they'll touch it until after EX6 or BT17. Primarily because if they do limit it, it significantly kills BigUkkomon as a deck - which would be like a repeat of Apocalymon.
@@DIGI-PANDA yeah I dont think the should ban the new ukkomon in my opinion the cards they should limit will go some what like this
Limits
Promo Ukkomon: he had his time to shine and with things like the new support for hybrids and decks like numemon this hit will help them to slow down
Messenger of hope: I feel that card only gets better with time and its one of the reasons why magna x its played in yellow decks for so little
Awakening of the golden knight: this will help to slow down the magna decks making it that you always have to pay 5 or have to set up to digivolve it for cheap
@@mathibell5236 this could just be my yellow bias, but I don't think Emissary of hope needs to get hit. The card is by it's nature RNG based since it requires you to have something in security to digivolve into. Thankfully, it's in Yellow which has plenty of ways of setting up security... The majority of which is also RNG. The card basically requires you to run bt 14 T.K. so that you can more consistently setup your security with what you want to be able to digivolve into (to be fair, something that yellow vax lists already wanna run since it makes patamon more consistent. ) The card also only works with Yellow vaccine digimon so any good yellow deck that isn't based around vaccines (like, say, Yellow hybrid when it gets more support ) probably isn't gonna run it. It's also a card that gets worse the longer the game goes on since the less security you have, the less chances you have of actually hitting something in there to digivolve into. Compare that to something like Hidden Potential Discovered. HPD basically works with all green digimon so it ain't really limited, it essentially requires no setup to use, and it's also basically good at all points in the game. HPD is far more splashable and consistent then Emissary of Hope ever will be. So, yeah, when compared with something that does a similar job and was hit (and still determined to need to stay on the list ), I think Emissary of hope is fine.
@@phoenixwright784 yeah I get your point but my main reason was the idea that first if you limit 1 and not the other at the end you didnt stop them that much you just chain the way they do their combo but the deck will be a problem
But to counter your point my idea with messenger of hope is that the card isn't as broken as hdp but its falls in the category of things like greymon x both can be broken depending on game state but finding it at the beginning to rush your tower its the best result and to take their maximum value you need to have a set up. And by that logic both fall for me in the same category its a card that the more time passes it only gets better and it doesnt matter that its lock in to an archetype or category because it helps to acceleration of those decks in a really strong way
@mathibell5236 I don't think it's comparable to greymon x either. Greymon x, being a greymon and an x-antibody, is absurdly searchable and so extremely consistent in comparison to emissary of hope. It's also completely free (imagine how much more balanced the card would be if it didn't digivolve for 0 off of greymon. It it still need to be limited? Not sure, honestly ) it also provided an absurd amount of protection as an inherit.
There are plenty of cards that allow digivolution acceleration that no one talks about needing to be limited. Think of all the stuff in green that makes digivolution cheaper, for example. I don't agree with the assumption that because x did it and got hit that means that y or z should as well.
pretty much almost none of those work on the yv version with the bt15 nyaromon egg
Correct. The moment Nyaromon triggers, immunity kicks in and you'll get the simultaneous unsuspend.
There are quite a number of issues though with this build. This build will rely heavily on Rapidmon and level 5 ACE digimon to climb up quickly into Magnamon X. However, because Magnamons aren't vaccine in trait, this negates the advantage of warping to the level 6 that blue gets.
@@DIGI-PANDA i mean they do use awakening of the golden knight to skip from rapid to magna but the one weakness that version has is no dp inheritables so its more vulnerable to dp- that lasts until the end of opp turn
@@guardna5102 This is also true. However, I would like to frame it this way.
With blue base Magnamon X, you utilize Veemon, go into Magnamon, then go into Magnamon X. No extra cards needed.
With yellow base, sure you have the Nyaromon as the egg, but you don't have yellow Terriermons, which means you need to cheat with Patamon into Rapidmon - which has a strong chance of having the Rapidmon in there with so many copies. If not, you would rely on having the option card Emissary of Hope.
Best case scenario, Patamon to Rapidmon to Golden Armor to Magnamon X still requires an additional card. Which means you're utilizing your deck space under tighter constraints if you wanted security bombs.
Any advice for Jesmon player or am I wasting my time.
Blue base Magnamon X can de-digivolve and utilizes the Heaven's judgment option card. While yellow does predominantly DP reduction.
For Jesmon, Jesmon X can let you attack your opponent's unsuspended Digimon, so that is one way to circumvent Magnamon X if it's unsuspended. Downside? It can just armor purge. You'll want more of the Blanc blockers as well because this can stave off the attacks. I'll need to test more though to figure out the play.
Why would garudamon ACE resolve first if the game has a In turn Player priority to resolve for multiple same moment triggers?
The way it was explained to me.
Magnamon X attacks into Security with Garudamon ACE in play.
Security Check - Magnamon X goes into a triggered PENDING STATE
Security Check Resolution:
Red Tamer is revealed - Security - Places itself into the battle area without paying cost.
NEW CHAIN - Garudamon ACE is now triggered because a tamer was put into play during all turns and goes into a pending state.
No other effects to resolve.
Garudamon ACE resolves first because it's the newest effect on the "stack"
Attempt to delete blocker
NEW CHAIN - Magnamon X has the choice to activate Armor Purge or just let the stack go.
Resolve Magnamon X to armor purge.
No other effects to resolve.
Magnamon X no longer in play to gain immunity and DP buffs.
But there are literally No Chains in digimon, its rule are LITERALLY not like yugi oh or magic with chaining effects, at best you could say that garudamon ace trigger is the latest so it has to resolve first but that still doesnt make sense when we again have to apply turn player priority, was this consulted with just 1 judge or an actual Email to Bandai?
@@DIGI-PANDA there is no chain or "stack", literally turn player effects resolve first, its why victorygreymons ex4 second effect can whiff if you delete something with its first effect that has an on deletion that plays something, turn player has priority
@@Foxkhine Consulted with multiple judges, one of which is Level 0 judge who has direct contact with the developers.
The only time turn player has priority if multiple effects would trigger simultaneously which is why I used the Valkryimon ACE/Magnamon X as another example.
You are correct in that aren't chains - I thought the phrasing might help in this situation. My apologies that it did not.
You've answered the question at this point with your statement, that Garudamon ACE is the latest to trigger so it must resolve first before Magnamon X who is still pending.
It’s not wrong to say there’s a chain - the reason we don’t is because Bandai hasn’t ruled that there is one, but the chain follows this line of thinking: LIFO, or Last In, First Out, meaning Last effect triggered is the first effect to resolve. This is where turn priority matters - if two effects trigger simultaneously, then the turn player’s effect will trigger first.
In the case of Garuda ACE, the sequence is Magna X does the security check -> checks tamer -> Magna X’s effect triggers -> Tamer security effect triggers -> Tamer resolves effect and plays itself (LIFO) -> Garuda ACE’s effect triggers -> Garuda ACE resolves effect and deletes
Basically reiterated what you said, but what helped me understand this like of thinking was that there ARE chains/stacks in Digimon; we just don’t have official rules yet.
So if I digivolve into magna x and keep turn, im still affected by security cards correct?
If you digivolve into Magnamon X and keep turn, you will be immune for the turn assuming you have Magnamon X or the Armor Form trait in the sources.
I don’t agree with an out right ban. But it does need to be limited. Yes there is potential to counter play but the exact scenarios you explained are about it. You have to play one of those specific colors or cards. Not everyone likes those colors or likes the way they play so….yeah idk bud.
I'm on the edge of the fence on what to do with this card. Is it dominating in JP? No, but JP tends to move to the next set instead of camping with older decks.
Why does Magnamons All turns effect get priority over Valkyrimons but not Garudamons All turns effect?
In that specific situation, Magnamon X and Valkryimon X both trigger and go into a pending state at the SAME TIME. As a result, whoever is turn player has priority.
Garudamon ACE supercedes in that instance because Magnamon X has already triggered and gone into pending state, reveals a tamer, Tamer activates its security effect which then triggers Garudamon ACE's effect, which now fully resolves before Magnamon X.
@@DIGI-PANDA got it, basically because Valkyrimons effect is the same where it has to go into a pending state like Magnamon, nothing outside of both of their effects are resolving anymore which is then when Turn Priority can kick in vs Garudamon is still an effect that must resolve before Magnamons pending state. Thanks.
I am having trouble understanding this, do new effect go on top, the security is removed after the effect is actuvated and the effect is playing the tamer, it's revealed and play then it being played amd it being removed would gave the same timing, minister go to the trash before battle but options and gamers are revealed and then activated
Ironically, Magnamon X deck struggles against Eosmon deck (with the BT17 support of course), which is not even a meta deck.
That is hilarious!
What happens if Security+1 with Fire Rocket
The First check would be a normal card, but the Second check would be something that removes Magna X
Does Immunity work in this case?
At least as far as wording goes it should I believe, but I’d recommend the official play discord. Tons of rulings questions.
It doesn't matter that the magna x had 2 o r 3 checks how its effect works its after the first security is checked yuo can activate his when digivolving
After the first check resolves, and Magnamon X is not removed via security effect or battle, your immunity immediately kicks in. Any subsequent checks after would be fine (assuming you don't run into a big beefy body that's 15000 DP if you don't have the all turns +1000 or 16000 DP)
I was expecting to see the Pause plug in in here. But maybe I am not aware of the right interaction with magnamon x and the card.
Anyways thanks for the info
Pause definitely works but that'll probably be a bt17 sakuyamon more than anything
Definitely works! Hadn't considered it because the cost is something that's kind of a factor. I do like it though and agree with @bigz11 that it'll definitely be a Sakuyamon thing.
Glad to know that it works. I will try to make some kind of antimeta with sakuyamon then
So the security effects still can affect Magnamon X before triggering his immunity? That’s a relief
Correct!
Security is checked.
Magnamon X goes into a triggered, PENDING state
Security effects from security check resolve.
Afterwards, resolve Magnamon X
Battle occurs.
EDIT: Slight hiccup on battle. This has been corrected.
@@DIGI-PANDA slight correction: the security *battle* resolves after all pending effects, so it’s after magnaX’s protection kicks in. general resolution order is 1) [security] effects, 2) “when a card is removed from security” effects, 3) security battle
@@jeffinitelyj3ff Corrected! Timing in this game is confusing ha ha.
@@jeffinitelyj3ff so option cards can still nuke de MagnaX before the immunity right?
Quick question about the red tamer in security. If magna attack sec and its a red tamer with Garuda ace on field. would he's effect have priority ? Being its turn ?
Sadly no because the tamer being played triggers Garuda ACE effect. Since it’s the newest effect in the resolution of effects it has to be resolved first.
@@oreox1000 thanks !
Quick second question: if i digi to omnimon merciful mode at the start of my turn to trash the top of opp sec does magna x actived ?
@@joshuanieze5492 he would. The all turns triggers when a card is removed from a security stack.
Thanks @oreox1000! Appreciate you answering a lot of these while I had meetings XD.
Anytime a security is removed - whether it be yours or your opponents, it triggers Magnamon X's effect.
@@DIGI-PANDA no problem. Appreciate you putting in the leg work for the video.
I'll just set up a MASSIVE Gaiomon with all turn dp buffs and shred all of their security, reboot in order to block next turn, and see what the MagnaX player does.
That's where my head is thinking right now for the future of Greymon right now. I think the Blackwargreymon, Gaiomon variants will be the way to go.
@@DIGI-PANDA nah, no blackwargrey needed. Just ex4 and bt9 gaio
@@Megidramon My mind was also thinking Imperialdramon for the unsuspends.
@DIGI-PANDA Imperial has a decent time against MagnaX, but the player has to be willing to run a slower build. In bt16, there's two Imperial builds. One is focused on bt12 Imperial FM doing most of the work, which is the slower one. The other is a Paildra focused build that makes bt16 Pail, and to a lesser extent ST Pail, the main method of damage being dealt.
Ah, yes, because there are a few situational cards that may work in very specific scenarios and everyone in the game will have to include in their decks to build them around magnamon, it means the card is not broken. Truly, Digimon players fascinate me.
I can see both lines of thought here. To put it on another comparison to another broken card, one problem is Apocalymon had almost no way counter play, other then playing Apocalymon. Decking out was pretty much the win condition once you set up one Apocalymon, if not two. And while you could argue flood gates could stop you from play Apocalymon, you could still digivolve into it.
With Magnamon X, I wanted to frame it that while yes, this card is powerful in many ways, there are several ways to counter it.
Do I personally think the card is broken? I think it's powerful to the extent that in the right deck, yes.
Perhaps emergency program shutdown could deal with blinding ray
While true, one major disadvantage about this card is the fact that you must have a white source in play, and all decks might not necessarily have that (unless you're running Ukkomon)
Magmamon retcon have complicated rules
Very much so!
Welp, time to find space for high speed plugin D to give my digimon unblockable.
It's been a nice addition to Metalgarurumon X and even some other blue decks like Ulforce if you want to avoid the blockers.
Card so broken MOST decks cant counter it!
Only 3 color card i know ofcourse every decks runs it not cool
Very flexible with searching. I do think that the immunity from all cards is a little much. Even cards like Tyrant are vulnerable to option cards.
Another generic card everyone can play is pause plug-in P
Definitely! I think my favorite is Venusmon!
@@DIGI-PANDA i like this just as much as venus since u can put this in any deck as long as u have a tamer out. Plus can be used to counter blast ace decks so they can't hit u with their effects on swing
THIS CARD IS NOT BROKEN, PEOPLE. Just wait till EX6, BT17 and onward are released and you'll see just how fair and necessary Magnamon X is!
I think the problem is some players aren't willing to wait for the adaptation. Though in some ways, I can't even imagine playing Apocalymon for like 4 months. That sounds miserable alone.
Also 10/10 on the name. "Welmed" XD
Aaaaah. Let the crying and complaining begin!!!! Lol😂😂😂
Wanna prepare players how I can XD
@@DIGI-PANDA You’re doing a great job at that!!! I know there will always be cards people will be angry about
@@PlusUltraG I can agree and empathize with players who are upset about certain cards. But now I feel that we can get upset about it or learn to adapt into the situation.
Magna x needs emergency ban
Naaa bro. The card is OK. You can counter it with option,blockers, and security effects
@@jeanmunoz5903 so need big blockers which there are few of or be lucky enough to have options/security effects in security. Yeup easy.
it isnt even close to Apocalpsemon lvl of ban worthy
@@Dio____Brando apoc didnt need the hit, could have hit the dark masters instead
@@dlscrub6207 wouldnt that kill its consistancy?
As a Gallantmon player...I wanted effects like these. 🥲
I'm glad it gets a little love in BT17 :3