17mm VS 17mm VS 17mm - RED35 Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 20 апр 2019
- Jimmy starts a special video series looking at different Olympus 17mm lenses to see which one is best for your needs. #olympus #red35 #photography
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![Olympus 17mm, 25mm and 45mm F1.8 - [Which One?]](/img/1.gif)
What about the massive price differences? Should have mentioned it!
It took me years to get hold of the 17mm f1.8 never regretted my choice. And then I managed to get hold of the 12mm f2 and for me it's fantastic. I had the pro lenses I couldn't handle the weight. I know it's not 17mm but what about the sigma 16mm F1.4
I have two of the lenses you compared today. Only instead of the 17mm f/1.2 which I don't have, its brother 45mm f/1.2 and the 30mm f/1.4 from Sigma are the substitutions. I totally agree your points about them. In my experience too, the significant and the most important difference between these lenses are in the low light focusing performance. The series of f/1.2 or f/1.4 from Sigma are really strong in this aspect. They were tested in an environment where nearly had NO LIGHT at all, but they could still focus the subject immediately. Besides this, of course, the output quality of these two series are another world level, especially the M. Zuiko f/1.2's.
Weather sealing is great, the 1.8 did alright in -40c weather but would fog inside when getting in a warm place, the 12-40 pro had no issue. But the 17/1.8 in silver on a silver body em5/2 looks great :D
Great video again, I love my 17mm 1.8, great for travel and street, but I absolutely adore the 17mm 1.2, it's a completely different lens. The character of the lens and this 3D pop are great and this is the most valuable for me!
Yes Anastas, I use both and love both for different purposes as mentioned. I use the 17mm 1.2 for all my pro shoots because I can't bare the thought of breakdowns so I take the pro lenses out basically religiously. Not that the 1.8 isn't unreliable but even that 0.01% chance...
Thank you for the comparion Jimmy. You have taken some wonderful and sharp/contrasty/clean looking pics with the 1.8. Unless you are shooting in low light or poor conditions a lot then I think the size/weight and price difference in getting the 1.2 is too high a cost, as wonderful as that lens is .. but feel free to treat me for Christmas! Happy Christmas Rich.
Thanks for this comparison. Was considering tooling up with the cheaper primes, but I already have the 12-40, and that'll do for now. Mind you, I've found it get pretty cranky in low light, so I'm going to have to address this eventually. Think I'll just use the 12-40 to see which range I get most use out of first.
Well yes and no; as you are an Olympus embassador this could be embarassing but, you know I love your videos but, I have to have integrity as a consultant. Your assessment of the 17mm f1.8 as the best street lens is spot on. My favourite ever street combo is the Panasonic GX9 with the Olympus 17mm f1.8. I assume the PenF with this lens will be similar. My two Leica 23mm APS lenses are optically superior (also 5 times the cost) but when i go out its the Pani/Oly combo I always grab. All the Olympus Premium f1.8 lenses are stunning. These are the best lenses Olympus makes by a mile. These are the reason I shoot MFT. I just dont get Olympus Pro lenses. No they arent optically superior; unless that is you use them in the range they have been optimised to fill; wide open at f1.2, though why anybody would want shallow DoF on a wide angle lens is beyond me. People need to stop assessing lenses on sharpness, its a totally overrated property that can even be added in post, the best lenses are not that sharp, and is the reason for the downfall of these lenses. Image fidelity cannot be added in post. People need to stop zooming in to pixels and look at the whole image. The best lenses are very simple designs, points at the 7 element leica Noctilux, and the modern equivalents of the classics, think Zeiss, Voightlander and yes these Olympus Premium lenses; simple designs with great glass and modern coatings. Anything with more than 14 elements is a poor design and this Pro lens has 15; others in the range have 20!!! What can I say about the Pro lenses? Like the Irish say, I can see where you are going but, I wouldnt start here. If i didnt mind large lenses and bodies I wouldnt even consider Olympus; I would be buying Sony A7 or Fuji X. I buy MFT because it has the best performance in a compact light format; its unbeatable. I hope Olympus come to their senses soon and see who their real customers are; I see from the annual financial results that their concentration on Pro equipment has knocked them back a bit. Now they have got this out of their system and fleshed out their range, we need them to make us new equipment; weathersealed premium lenses for a start and new 20MP sensors in the Pen and OM-D series. These are the Olympus products we love and want to buy. At least they havent caught a cold like Canon and Nikon - winks
Vici Martynov I Ärger with you mostly, but Olympus just killed the PEN line because it didn‘t sell enough. I think the time of small, affordable Camera gear is over. There seem to be mostly two camps of photography enthusiasts... the ones who don’t care about size and want the least compromises (the new full frame cameras fit those well), and the “lifestyle” focused ones... which care either for size, style, colors ... I’m sure you already have camera brands in mind that fit that monikers. All this is a simplification, but I think Olympus is still trying to play in both fields and that’s a stretch for a smallish company.
@@FrankNeulichedl Panasonic wouldnt agree with you, they continue to bring out small models as well as large and their CSC market grew by over 4% last year along with Fuji unlike the substantial loss Olympus made. People are not buying large cameras and that has been clear for some time. Nobody is buying the new Canon or Nikon models who's profit actually dropped markedly over christmass!!! Canon has warned that it expects its market to halve. Olympus need to return to its roots, it has just lost its way a bit. This has been the worst year in photographic history this century, so bad that Photokina 2019 has already been cancelled; so the fact that APS and MFT small cameras continues to sell well says everything. The PenF should have a new shutter and sensor without filter, its currently an antique. Reason? They have been making these huge chunky Pro models that only a few Pros will want to buy. The mass market is bread and butter and they have taken their eye off the ball. I hope we see new products soon. My opinion I know, but for the last 3 years my predictions have been spot on and based on nothing more than looking at the sales trends; this is the one indicator that you cant fudge, people are either buying or they are not. There is no point telling me something is better or more desireable, if people arent buying it, its a failure ;-)
P.S. in distinction to the 4% increase in the CSC market last year the large camera market dropped overall by 14% and the Asian market collapsed. Only companies listening to the customer are Panasonic, Fuji and Sony. Nobody is buying FF cameras except Sony. The new Panasonic FF is not a serious camera; its a new line of 35mm bodies which I am certain are destined for 8K video which MFT cant provide. Panasonic promised they would film the 2020 Olympics in 8K which will require 46MP sensors. Their bread and butter is MFT.
Happy Easter Vici! Yes, like most ultra primes these days, they are designed for one purpose, shoot wide open. I use it to make sure my low light AF works. The 1.8 lens is optically flawless, just like the Leica Summicron lenses, simpler, lighter and smaller. I bought Summilux lenses because of that faster 1.4 for low light stuff, which I need. But travel and almost 90% of the time, the less expensive lens is actually a lot better and sharper, both 35mm and 50mm Summicron lenses are sharper than their Summilux counterpart shows :) But for those who shoot in a variety of lighting conditions, they will usually opt for the Summilux or in Olympus terms, the Pro line. I do agree about Olympus comment and don't worry, I've been told that the smaller and lighter premium cameras and lenses are coming soon!
@@vicibox As a matter of fact, Olympus didn't mind too much about their imaging branch within its empire. They are primarily a medical optic company and makes majority of the profit from there. They actually use their imaging arm for R&D in optic designs and cameras and lenses are kind of their playground and to satisfy their passion in photography. Their recent interviews did say that and reaffirm that they will not exit the camera market and they've been around long enough to understand their niche, which I do admire. They also explain about their X line will stay and continue to push the technological barrier and also emphasise the important of their premium lines like EM5, PEN and all those compact lenses :)
By the way, 8K MTF camera is coming www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/sharp-8k-video-camera-33mp-micro-four-thirds-sensor-10-bit-8k-at-30fps?Selligent&+April+2019+DCW+Newsletter+&
I am also mostly a prime lens user but there is an aspect not usually mentionned in favor of a WR zoom : avoiding changing lenses in the field in bad weather . This is partly why i also carry a Pany 12-60 f3.5-5.6 (came with my G85) always on at first in the bag with my non weather sealed primes.
Of course if you take 80% + of your shots with your favorite focal lenght, a WR prime like your f1.2 overcomes that.
Oh yes :)
Good video again. What camera strap is that one at the end? I'm looking for a new one.
Hi Jimmy, can you do a video for night photography using the M.zuiko 12-40mm F2.8 pro Lens?
Cheers mate, yes, we will try to do a night photography episode in the near future ;) thanks for the suggestion.
I just ordered the 17mm f1.8. I have got already the 12-40mm, f2.8, but I wanted a small, sharp, light and unremarkable lens for the street photography. The f1.2 is of course a little bit sharper and has got a smoother bokeh, but for my type of use it's too big. And I wanna go out with a prime lense. So I will leave the 12-40 mm at home. I hope i will enjoy it. I will get it in the next few days.
Thanks Till for watching. The 17mm 1.8 is a great little lens and perfect for street and travel. Yes 1.2 is great but I use it because I need it in a pro environment but for 90% of people, the 1.8 is a more logical and better option. Enjoy your new lens!
Have you compared the 12-(40/100) with the 4/3 12-60?
Love the portraits off the Lady in the photos.
An important point about the smaller prime lenses, especially for street photographers, is that they don't make you look like a serious photographer. Whereas, the larger size and more expensive look of the PRO series primes or any zoom lens will always grab people's attention. They'll immediately think you're a serious or professional photographer, so you'll attract notice. Potentially, hostile notice. Definitely, more wariness. For this reason alone, this tiny Olympus prime lenses are ideal for helping you to blend in with the crowd. People will assume you're just another tourist, and they'll likely ignore you 😉
Wow... very useful... i am currently contemplating the 17mm 1.2... I have the 12-40 pro... and i am trying to justify the 17mm 1.2... thanks for your help... have a good week...
Nice colors and sharp images. Would be great to understand your professional workflow with the Olympus images and videos.
Yes, it will be within our future Photography 101 series so stay tuned :)
all those lenses looking really slick : )
Cheers Noealz!
this is a good idea for a compare-lenses video, thank you Jimmy! Can you please do the same video for the new OM System 20mm 1.4 PRO lens, compared to the 20mm Panasonic and to 20mm on the 12-40mm 2.8 PRO? Thanks for your work on MFT!
I will try, it's a lot of work to do comparison :)
Unfortunately, your test is not very helpful without comparing the image quality of these three lenses. I owned the 17mm f/1.8 and sold it again because of the missing sharpness (compared to my 12-40mm f/2.8 and my 20mm f/1.7).
And what's about the prices of these compared lenses?
Non reliable review (Olympus Kindness Cap). From all tests the f1.8 version sucks (lack of sharpness mainly) and the f1.2 is great but for a ridiculous price... THe 12-40mm is a must if you have an olympus body.
I've heard others complain about the sharpness of the 1.8 but my copy is really sharp - much better than my 45mm 1.8
I can truly say that when I use my 12-40mm 2.8 pro, its no excuse I should create a framer image, combined with my EM-1.
Great video as always Jimmy! How would you compare the Sigma 16mm f1.4 with these lenses?
That's what I'm wondering
Subtle flex waving around that limited edition 2-tone EM 1 mark 2.
Lucky bugger. 😅
William Miles La Mont 😂😂😂
The 17mm f2.8 is a great little lens. Crap for video as the motor sounds like a wasp in a jar. But teamed with my EP-5 it makes an excellent street photography lens. The Sigma 16mm f1.4 is also a brilliant option.
I know that Olympus seems to be putting their efforts into their PRO line. With that in mind I think they should revamp their premium trinity of 17, 25 and 45 mm into small pro lenses like they are doing with the 12 - 45 mm f4. Keep the 1.8, keep the small form factor but make them all metal, focus clutch and 1.8! Just a thought! This is micro 4/3:s!!!!
Oh and weather sealed! Lol. Yes will be more expensive but not as much as the 1.2 line !
How about the much older 17mm f/2.8 kit lens? For the price and size, it's great. That being said, I love my 17mm f/1.8 and my 12-45mm (at 17mm) f/4 lenses.
Did you notice a difference in image quality? Was the 17mm f1.2 sharper in your opinion?
I really like the Panasonic 25mm f1.7 because of the times I need a stop faster than the pro lens. For me I would be ok with the 17mm f/1.8 on sale for $350. I'm a bit of a budget photographer but when you add sharpness, bokeh quality and weather sealing a pro photographer could easily justify it. Bulk and f/16 minimum would not be an issue.
I don't think you can really get a bad lens these days especially from £300 upward, they all depends on aperture size and how rugged they are built.
I think you should use jpgs examples cause It was challenge to get the difference of the pics with the preset
Hello! I have G9 with sigma 16 1.4, have you tested this lens on Olympus? For me its a better choice vs all this lens bc 1.4 aperture and price (400-450 usd new) only 1 cons - weight ( 400 gr) but it.s okay with g9
I know the Sigma 16mm 1.4 is a great lens, but its AF speed isn't as quick as the 17mm 1.2 Pro especially on the EM1X for video tracking. But if you shoot stills mostly, then it's a no brainer.
@@Red35Photography thanks for answer !
Hi jimmy. Wish olympus remake their 9-18 weatherproof or semipro build
let's hope that. base on the road map, there could be one coming but only rumours :)
The 12-40 focuses the fastest? :O
is 1.8 sufficient for 4k footage?
Out of the 3 lenses, I only own the 12-40, of which I tend to shoot between the 12-17mm range the most.
The 17mm f1.2 is tempting, but I think I'd prefer a 12mm f1.2 (if it existed... only rumors for now) over the 17mm.
I've considered the 17mm f1.8 in the past, but I already own the Lumix 20mm. A lens I've tried to replace with the 25mm f1.8, but I still prefer the 20mm, slow AF aside. I suspect the 17mm wouldn't replace my 20mm either. The 20mm is just smaller and fits better my GM1 camera. :p
hahaha if you are looking at the GM1, then nothing fits better than the 20mm pancake and it's way better than Olympus 17mm 2.8. But in terms of optical performance, I do think the 17mm 1.8 is sharper, especially the edges. Yes I am waiting for the 12mm 1.2 pro hahaha
Yea, a 12mm 1.2 would be a game changer for shooting parties and other low light events in tight spaces. It would have more depth of field with the same amount of light which is actually an advantage when you want more in focus without compromising on quality.
I use the GM1 with the 25/1.8 and it's a dream combination. Even though it's bigger than the Panasonic 14/2.5, the images make it well worth it. I sometimes use the 17/1.8 on the GM1 but I prefer the 25. Even the Olympus 12/2 is great on the GM1. With the 45/1.8, the GM1 becomes a complete kit in two pockets.
HI I am new to you channel and enjoying it a great deal. I'm also new to micro four thirds and recently purchased a Lumix G80 (instead of a Nikon D7000). I was just wondering what your thoughts are on the olympus 14-150mm f/4.0-5.6 ii lens as I want a walkabout lens for holiday, however I'm not sure if sure if 12-60 kit lens will suffice of if it's worth the extra cost? Keep up the good work and thanks for the videos.
thanks mate! the Olympus 14-150mm has received a lot of positive comments among photographers. I personally have't used it but have tested the new 12-200 super zoom! It's versatile and pretty amazing given the range you have in one lens. It won't beat the top Pro lenses but great all rounder for both 14-150 and 12-200.
@@Red35Photography Much appreciated, thanks very much and keep up the good work!!!
Hey I was just wondering, I have the f 1.8 and I was thinking if it is really worth it to buy the F1.2?
It depends on whether you need to shoot low light a lot. The 1.2 helps dramatically. When mounted on EM1 II or 1X, it helps the AF sensitivity too.
vs used 17mm f/2.8 pancake lens. I thought of buying it cheap just for how small and lightweight it is but is the 17mm f/1.8 really that bulky?
Rob P it’s tiny and not that bulky but the image quality and build is leagues better than the 17mm 2.8 pancake
@@Red35Photography True. I wouldn't pay more than $100-150 for the Pancake lens. Outside of that, it's over priced. Look up wholesalephoto on eBay and they want $499. Sounds like a whole sale price. 😝
I had the 12-40 D2.8. Great lens very sharp but so boring I sold it. I love the 17 1.8 fast and small.
I’d be curious how you would compare the Sigma 16mm 1.4? Will your partnership with Olympus allow you to review it?
I can review anything I want really but we currently don't have any partnership with Sigma and may be in the future, unless I personally get one. I've heard good things about this lens however, I am curious.
You can check out Peter Forsgard, he reviewed it.
Weather sealing
51 pick me 51 great information but in the end whe re you where showing the same shot very much a muchnesshard to pick thamks for the report see ya
Cheers Bene, though there could be some spelling weirdness going on with your keyboard so I couldn't quite understand hahaha... but happy easter and all the best!
How fitting this has 17k views right now!!
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12?
Is 17mm 1.8 good for portraits? Like waist up or full body?
Yes, I do a lot of street and environmental portrait with the 17mm 1.8
@@Red35Photography cool. I like having more of the background invilved in the photo
Hi Jimmy i was trying to find you in tweeter but couldnt , under what name you are on tweeter? ty
I have two accounts, @jimmychengphoto and @red35photo
@@Red35Photography great thank you :)
You forgot the 17mm f/2.8
A lens best forgotten, anyway.
I can’t believe you didn’t compare low light performance...
18?
Try the Lumix Leica 15mm f1.7...IQ is in a different league...
Did you check your subtitles? I believe someone has fooled around
Really? Nope, will check
Today’s lucky number is 3
Yeah, it never rains in England...LOL
17mm f2.8 is missing and image quality, surely the most important thing?!?
17mm f2.8 Is absolutely weak, I'm sure why it's discontinued. But you're right, would have been great to throw it in as well.
And then Olympus came up with 12-45/4. :)
Why not include the 17.5mm f0.95?
Thank you for watching! To answer your question, a) because we were comparing Olympus lenses (please read description!) and b) we'd love to review more lenses but our budget limits us :)
@@Red35Photography How about renting them?
I need flexibility, flexibility and flexibility, so.........
Pity, I thought the 3rd 17 was Olympus 17 f/2.8 pancake. Closing the video after leaving this comment.
Is this review and others completely biased and you don’t have any connection with Olympus?