Why Hungary Wants Turkey to Join the EU
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Hungary and Turkey haven't historically been close friends, but recent years have seen Erdogan and Orban grow increasingly close. So in this video we unpack why Turkey and Hungary are such good friends - and if the budding bromance could grow further.
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00:00 Introduction
01:01 Ideologies
03:41 Politics
06:37 Economics
07:47 Will the Friendship Last?
08:12 Sponsor
When I’m hungry I would enjoy turkey. It’s common sense.
Are you funny?
@@dhjddjjejdjf1680 yes he is 😂
You used to focus on ostrich when hungry, but now you opt for turkey.
HungARy*
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Turkey is geopolitically and militarily a very important nation. It is impossible to ignore Turkey.
But not economically as a Turk
@@GeneralManstein7 even economically, everything is globalized..Many countries have productions in Turkey..
I'm sure Greece, Cyprus and France won't veto it, and Finland and Sweden won't remember what happened when they tried to join NATO
@@GeneralManstein7ekonoöimiz de çok güzel sizleri geçicez çünkü para alatak petrol araöaya gelen sizlerin yüzünde kuyıları hep körlefiniz dizletin uüzümden dümyafa çok ülke mağdur oldu bizim gibi kalleşlikde üzerinize yok nide öğünüyprsunuz
@@GeneralManstein7turkish people might be poor. But turkey is the among most rich countries of the world.
Fun fact: Turkish and Hungarian are among the few non-Indo-European languages spoken on the European continent.
And finnish and estonian )))
@@darkprofile and Georgian
They are not actually related to each other by their origins however, which is something hypothesized by many, even though such hypothesis are not mainstream in linguistics. Hungarians are speakers of an Ugric language, which has separate origins from the Turkic languages, and shares origins with Finnic languages in very distant past. There are very different external influences in most Finno-ugric languages that have shaped them into very different directions.
@@hatman3445 depends on whether you consider Georgia part of Europe. Geographically it’s pretty removed from the rest of the continent.
@@darkprofile and mordovian and basque
Atilla is one the common name of boys in Turkiye. Both Hungarians and Turks, have nomadic anchestors from Ural-Altay steps.
The religions are different, but linguistic & national & cultural origins are close to each other.
Even if authocrat leaders disappear from the scene, I think these countries that have mainly turanic origion, will support each other.
Last name Atilla right here :DDD (Turkish).
Benim arkadaşımın adı atilla
The people of Hungary are very good people, they are also kind and gentle, we love Hungary very much from Turkiye 🇹🇷❤️🇭🇺
Hajra Magyar, Hayra Turan.
I have visited Budapest last year, I was surprised the similarity of the vibe between Istanbul and Budapest, without knowing the very old historical ties between turks and hungarians.
Budapest had been occupied by the Ottoman Empire, so you will see a degree of relic in architecture due that. However connections or affinities goes beyond that - there are far right circles in both countries (ironaically in opposition of both Erdogan and Orban) that are embracing Turanism - the imaginary horse nomadic connections.
@@karasukafka6918 they are turkic not ımaginary
@@ChadaTurk66 Magyars are not totally Turkic, nope. Magyar ancestry genetically more complex, but even historical links are. Yes, it is true that both linguistically us had massive Turkic influence (not only once even) and it is true that we had Turkic groups settled in Hungary - see Kunok (Cuman people), but potentially - not totally proven - we had soem older Turkic people settled along with horse nomadic magyars.
However it woudl be reductive to say Hungarians are Turkic. There is a lot of Slavic and otehr influences, including Geramnic settlers, Romani and such. Hungary has a complex past.
@@ChadaTurk66 The imaginary part refers of Turanism, which is a far right conceptt emerging as a pan-national movement using racial designations of very reductive and questionable value.
Sayig that, horse nomadic past is not in question. That is quite much exist, and as all horse noamdic peopel faced similar material conditions, you seen similar development of material (tools, dwelling) culture. You also had direct interactions between Turkic horse nomads and Magyars, that is certain.
@@karasukafka6918
Pure ethnic nationalism and racism is a european invention. Turkic countries doesn't follow such strict racial nationalism because while Turkic tribes had immigrated west from central asia, they always built multi-ethnic empires and they had been mixed with many ethnic groups.
Turkish people who are living in Turkey are not genetically pure either. They are mixed with middle easterns, mediterraneans and balkan people.
Yes Magyars are mixed with germanic and slavic people in time. But their ancestery surely have Asian Steppe people. And their heritage in culture and language continue. Also domination of Magyars in hsitory started with Atila and his army made of steppe horse riders.
Hungarians are in europe so they are heavily infulenced by europeans while Turks in Turkey are influenced by middle easterns and mediterraneans and central asian Turks are influenced by iranians and russians.
Because nomadic people are assimilated sooner or later where they settle down.
There are also historical reasons. Magyars (Hungarians) and Turks lived side by side before Hungarians migrate to Europe and we migrate to Anatolia. Some people in Turkey and Hungary suggest that we are one nation and Hungary is also a Turan/Turkic state. Even Victor Orban said that they are coming from Turks. This is not the main reason why we became allies but it really helped to convince some people in respective countries.
Most modern people in Hungary don't have Magyar genetic ancestry, and most people in Anatolia don't have Turkic genetic ancestry. Original Turkic people are East Eurasian as Turkic homeland is in South Siberia and Mongolia. But you're correct that Turkic Avars ruled Hungary/Romania before the Magyars arrived, and Magyars arrived through lands ruled by various Turkic clans. It's why Magyar/Hungarian languages carries many proto-Turkic words.
Even Orban, an undereducated dictator, said that. So is has to be the truth, classic Turkish/Hungarian citizen I presume? :D
Scientific truth matters little. Its a romanticized myth, and its easy to believe, good basis for good relations
@@yo2trader539
The famous "historical reasons" ... the only thing people cling on to when there is nothing else to find that would give it a reason because there are no similarities between countries. It's the oldest political trick in the book to gather people behind any idea as well as this one "friendship" between Hungary and Turkey. While behind all the facade they are both Orban and Erdogan just looking to exploit one another to gain advantage.
@@yo2trader539 genetics are irrelevant because modern nationality based on culture and language, not genetics. It is a very WWII point of view. You are right about Magyars but you are missing important points. Magyars were a vassal of Khazar Kaghanate which was ruled by Khazar Turks (famous Jewish Turks). That's where Magyars got many Turkic words and it continued when they lived with Avars and vassalized by the Ottomans.
Orban won elections with 56 % :dictator
Erdugan won elections with 53%: dictator
Rishi sunak not elected : a Democrat
make sense right
😂😂 former president of the US says the election was stolen and he's now being prosecuted 😂
@@skp8748 which is ironic, considering trump cheated on both the 2016 and 2020 elections and got busted
"fRee eLeCTiOnS"
Orbán has been in leadership for over 10+ Years already, and the people want change, however due to his success in Rural areas, he has power
@@NeoGraena strikingly simillar in turkey also
A lot of Turkic tribes like Huns, Onogurs, Cumans, Pechenegs are assimilated into Hungarian society.
Hungolians
Madgyars as well
@@turistomer3702madgyars😂
The ones who got saved from islamization
@@0102F the ones who lost their identity and language.
Long Live Turan!
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TURAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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Hungarian people aren't turks
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I'm Hungarian. Congrats, good video in all details. Even mentioning Péter Magyar at the end was a good addition. Everybody talks about him in Hungary.
Best regards from Turkey, my friend. We are constantly criticized and talked about because we are not puppets of the USA.😉
@@ilbilgehatun278 Alright my Turkish friend. Just don't keep the same leader more than 10 years, it's not healthy for the nation and for himself.
@@Slaci-vl2ioTell that to Orban
@@Slaci-vl2io You are right, my friend, I have not voted for Erdoğan for a long time, and he lost in the last elections. He is a very good leader in terms of the defense industry, domestic automobiles, and being a regional power. The economy, the refugee crisis and some democratic mistakes will be the end of Erdoğan. Even 10 years is too long for politicians. Turkey's geography Its location is perfect, but at the same time it is a country that is the dream of the Imperials. We are always in trouble, we are fighting against so many things.
@@petermelang6695 I keep telling to Orbán at every election but he kept tricking the poor in spirit into voting for him.
Authoritarians gravitate towards authoritarians. Nothing shocking.
What do you mean? They were both democratically elected - you dont like the democratic process?
Rather than forging a nation, ur democracy seems to be cultivating crowds.
@@amunra5330The democratic process can be subverted to empower autocrats. That why elections must be both "free and fair" and not just one of the two.
@@amunra5330i think we like a free and fair democratic process, which they both didnt have
A be quet you dont have same standarts when comes to Trump or right wing parties in Europe. Its always democracy when i win, dictatorship when i lose.
turkey and hungary was not historical enemies.
germans in medieval ages were calling hungarians 'croos carrying turks' basically christian turks.
they mostly sided with ottomans instead of habsburgs.
both in turkey and hungary people have symphaty to eachother.
and way before medieval ages we were both tengrist turkic/nomadic peoples.
thats why hungary is in turkic council.
Turkey and Hungary were historical enemies. From about the 14th century, up until the 16th century, the Hungarian Kingdom fought against the Ottoman Empire. There were only brief periods of peace between the two powers. Even after the Ottoman Empire conquered parts of Hungary, they continued to be at odds with the remaining unconquered parts of it. For the new 2 centuries.
@@thotslayer9914
it is just politics mate, national interests.
we are not russia or arabia.
these guys will go in couple years anyway.
hungary and turkey are democratic countries no matter what.
The Ottoman Turks under Sultan Suleiman I incorporated the central portion of the Kingdom of Hungary, including Budapest, into the Ottoman Empire in 1541, holding control over this territory until 1699. Also the Hungarian-Ottoman Wars. What do you mean they're historically not enemies? I promise you, most Hungarians can't stand Turkey.
@@ozgurd5920"we are not Russia or Arabia". Let's see how your toilet paper economy is gonna be without Russian tourists and cheap Arab loans.
@@thotslayer9914
yeah as an atheist one i hate too.
but last election was shocked everyone.
things will change here big time it seems.
but i dont think our foreign policy will change.
it is natural balances and pragmatist moves. so.
Hungarian nationalism (the Kuruc-adjacent) actually has a tradition of nominally leaning towards the Ottomans. Rákóczi and Kossuth were both given asylum in the Ottoman empire, Bem even converted to Islam. Not to mention later when turanist ideas became popular on the Hungarian right.
Traditionally, Spain, Italy and Poland generally take a positive stance on issues related to Turkey. Hungarians have adopted this behavior in the last 10 years. There has never been this level of contact between the two countries before. Of course, Orban's policy is effective in this. It is in Hungary's interest to adopt a close policy with Turkic countries. If there is such an opportunity, it is most natural to use it :) It is not reasonable to expect Hungarians or all European folk to comply with everything you call European values. It is possible to establish good relations with both the West and the East. I think Hungarians are implementing their own policy of self interest against western politicians who cannot use this.
They can do what they want without EU money and outside of our group...
European values?
I know that. I've seen this in Afghanistan Syria/Iraq and all over Africa. And now in Gaza!
Well Hungary is a sovereign country so it should put it's interest first in a unstable fast changing world and not sink with the West
F eu and their values. Turks have to unite show them who is who.
2023 in Hungary, in numbers:
- In January, bread inflation was almost 82%, food inflation was over 48%, general inflation was 26.2%, three times the EU average!
- In the first quarter, real wages fell the most in Hungary with a 15.6%, which is 4 times of OECD average
- In July our money lost 36% of its value in 2 years due to inflation !!!
- In January, Lőrinc Mészáros, Orban's main strawman increased the monthly tolls by 72% after he bought the 35-year motorway concession
- Lőrinc Mészáros bought a yacht for 27 billion forints, which is almost 11,000 years of average Hungarian pension. Mészáros's wealth increased by 150 billion forints in a single year
- The Matolcsy, the head of central bank (MNB), bought an apartment in New York for 14 billion forints, which is equivalent to 5608 years of average Hungarian pensions. Meanwhile, the MNB has accumulated losses of HUF 2400 billion
- The Orbán family's visible! wealth reaches HUF 100 billion, Orbán's father built a mansion in Hatvanpuszta for 10 billion forints
- The cows on János Lázár minister's stud farm got waterbeds for HUF 3 billion from the state!
- In 2023, Romania overtook Hungary in GDP per capita,
- In 2023, Bulgaria overtook Hungary in per capita consumption, making us last in the EU in this respect too.
- Hungary has the 2nd lowest average wage and minimum wage in the EU !
- The Dear Leader has finally found the magic weapon against inflation: he just had to fire the leading statisticians of the Hungarian Statistical Office, put them under the Rogán-led propaganda ministry and the single-digit inflation was achieved...! In 2023, the consumer price index was still 17.6% and food inflation 25.9%.
- In 2023, growth (-0.9%) was the 3rd worst in the EU
- 700 billion forints spent by the government to buy the Vodafone Hungary and give it away to Orban's stooge (equivalent to about 280,000 years of average Hungarian pensions)
- 2021 foreign human traffickers were released from Hungarian prisons in 2023 (official explaination: keeping them in prison is too expensive)
- There are already 100,000 Asian migrant workers in Hungary, who are undercutting the wages of Hungarian workers, with their numbers increasing by about 1,000 a month
- 40% of the Hungarian population run out of money by the end of the month, with no savings
- The Hungarian birth rate has fallen to an all-time low
- OTP survey shows that 94 out of 100 young people do not want to work in Hungary !
- 125,000 Hungarians already work in Austria
- Half a million Hungarians have disappeared in 10 years, the country's population is below 9.6 million, at 1953 levels and falling
- In 2023 the budget deficit was 4593 billion forints , about 6.5 percent of GDP, more than double the 3 percent accepted by the EU, the Hungarian state paid the largest interest burden after the national debt in the EU to GDP (4.3%), the interest expenses amounted to HUF 3,500 billion, which is equivalent to 1.26 million years of Hungarian average pension, meanwile GDP growth rate was -0.9%.
Add here the accumulation of alnd ownership of aroudn 3% owning 1/3 of the lands, quite akin of that of Horthy era land ownership structures.
It was definitely the cheapest EU country i've been. Most youth go abroad to study too. The amount of Hungarians in Germany and Austria is insane. I do like the Hungarian young people. Don't know.about 40+. They don't speak English very well.
@@Joey-ct8bm I am that 40+ Hungarian (who lives abroad. Gen-X Hungarians does know more English, perhaps less so as the younger generations today. But we already had soem opportunity to go to study abroad, or work abroad, and soem of us, like me, eventually setttled abroad.
The cheapness is relative. It is not easy to live with HUngarian wages, it was not easy in late 2000s when I decided o migrate, nor today.
where is this information from sources please?
@@karasukafka6918 It's free to study in Austria and Germany for EU passport holders. It's way cheaper and easier for young Hungarians to migrate now.
One additional here though: the one important right opposition Jobbik also had supported Turkish-Hungarian relation, and several of them served as cultural attache to Turkey.
One thing to be known too: there is a narrative that gestures to the horse nomadic past of both Turkish and Hungarians: Turalism is a thing. So the opposition of the far right against Muslims in Hungary plays up a bit differently than in other Muslim majority countries cases.
Right, it's more like cultural-ethnic affinity than religious.
The study of turkish history was actually invented in hungary in the 1900´s our relationships go back hundreds if not a thousand years back
Wrong,anatolians and Hungarians never have been nomadic or steppe,it’s not common. One is Finno Ugric another is Iranic with stolen words from uzbek,Yakut from 1932 and on
@@adidokiwrong
Hungary is called Macaristan in turkish
Can you explain the origin of the word?
@@kkyrezisit comes from Magyar in hungarian language
Macar = Magyar
istan = country from persian
@@OrbanamagyarKimDzsongUn "İstan: country from persian" is a complete BS. "TurkISTAN: TurkishLAND" or "BulgarİSTAN: BurgarianLAND" or "YunanİSTAN: GreekLAND" so do not spread misinformation. Probably you are not even Turkish. Trying to teach us Turkish.
@@yldrmbrs are you one of those idiots who think turkish is the first language or something? The 'Stan' suffix originally comes from the persian language
You should also consider that Hungarians have Turkic roots
Fino-hungerian called hungerian not without reason
Turkiye is also allied with Bulgaria, Romania and Italy which are EU members. So it is not a bromance like you mentioned. A few years ago, when Greece organized an EU embargo against Turkiye, Bulgaria and Italy vetoed the decision.
But it's more closely allied with Hungary, and there's a lot of reasons why, more than why Türkiye is allied with Italy, Romania, Bulgaria, Bosnia, Albania or some other Eastern or Southern European Democracy. And countries like Romania are not allied with Türkiye outside of NATO.
Romania like more Greece so we are not allies at all apart from Nato
Why we should like a islamic country😮
@@noobicx7310 Turkey is secular, not a shitty communist state.
@@noobicx7310 While erdogan is right wing, turkey indeed is a secular country.
Romania is not allied with Turkey tf you on about?
They are both mafia bosses in their countries, of course they are good friends, they share know-how.
on how to fuck over everyone around them
Basically
Orban isn't worried about Turkish immigration affecting Hungary because he knows Turks will go straight to the rich Western countries
1diot
Shut up
How dare countries to have their own national interests....
Sounds like fascism to me. Did you know Hitler also wanted the best for his country? He also liked to breathe air so don't do either unless you are a fascist.
Love and respect Hungary from Türkiye I hope we can improve our relations much more
Well, I see nothing wrong with that, but better we remove our Orban first, and perhaps Erdogan could be gone too. Otherwise I woudl be quite happy with improved relationships and shift away where both country is heading now.
@@karasukafka6918 well we are not heading a wrong direction for sure the future is in Asia and the Turkic union not in the eu we will never be in eu so please dont tell me u are a pro eu hungarian eu is going to lose everything soon and when that day come we are going to built a second Empire for everyone in the middle of the earth I believe hungary is also going to be in the right Side when the time come soon eu is going to fall apart without doubt and eastern europe will rise again with the power of United people of Türkiye am I wrong ?
@@loremaster7795 I don't know whjat you call good direction? Land ownership wheer aroynd 3% owns the 1/3 of lands as in Horthy era? Poverty of country-side? War against homeless people and otehr minority groups? That is your good direction? Because this is what teh erality of Hungary. Very grim. You see the total entropy of entire regions into very deep poverty, often to the degree what you would see in images peopel show about "third world countries".
I am not going to argue with you about Asian regions having more global power, that is just a fact, though this not necessary translate a better living to its citizens. See India for example, having many Indian friends, Modi does not bring great situation to many of Indians, especially not Muslims.
And yes, I am pro Eu, though not uncritical of EU. In fcat part of Eu politics that maintains Orban regime sadly. But EU is a complex set of institutions, and tehre are quite much infighting of what direction it should take. And I am not necessary happy with all of these paths, neither as in what I see of what playing out witth Erdogan, Modi, or Xi though.
I think globally we see very grim times coming, where ethnic tensions and genocides will be more accepted and common, and a selected few elites will keep power and wealth in hands. Eu, US, China, India, Turkey included.
@@loremaster7795 yes, you are very wrong
@@karasukafka6918 How fun life would be with idiots like Gyurcsany, Magyar, Marki-Zay or some clueless assholes like Momentum and the rest.
1:22 Erdogan's Türkiye isn't any more nationalistic than the liberal secular opposition. I'm fact it's probably less so given it's liberal immigration and refugee policy.
It is nationalistic in a sense that he despises Kurds who want to protect their national identity and want some degree of autonomy but other than that he doesn't care about Turkish people's wellfare. He opens the borders all the way to Arabic refugees. They overpopulate cities, live in squalor, refuse to learn Turkish, keep making babies and worsen the already bad economical situation in the country.
I just love Turkey
Two Turkic peoples getting along
Hungarians are ethnically heavily slavic and their language is Ugric, not Turkic
@@dogukan127 So so. You have Turkic population influence too (along with North Iranians - Jaszok), both before the occupation of Pannonian basis and after (later is Kun/Cuman people - which you would find regional names even today, and it was politically somewhat independ area for quite long).
With teh language you are correct - both there is a lot of borrowed words from Tukic too, again both from the nomadic times and after the Ottoman Empie's occupation.
@@dogukan127Ugric is a relative of Altaic
@@dogukan127 I respect how they call themselves. It doesn't effect my opinion on them. Unless they are vampires 😊
Europeans colonists don't like when any country follow foreign policy against their agenda. Turkey and Hungary has authoritarian leaders but this is not the problem. Europeans can be very friendly with any dictator if he is willing to cooperate with them. But if a country follow independent foreign policy based on national interests, it doesn't matter authoritarian leaders exists or not, europeans find a sh17 to blame them.
Ottomans talking about colonialism, oh the sick irony. When are you going to pay war reparations to the Balkans? What about all the slaves taken? What about all the r4p3, murder and plunder? You wanna talk about "European colonists" when everyone invaded Europe first, then you cry when Europe retaliated. CLOWNS.
Keep crying about European supremacy.
Hungary is not an autocracy, we are not similar to like Türkiye or Belarus in any way.
So unlike dictators and authoritarian leaders, who love if their allies (subjects) make independant foreign policy right? Only "European colonists" dont like if you dont follow rest of the flock.
@@alfoldmapping5504 People don't care. They hear on the news "Hungary bad" because Hungary is not doing as Brussels commands. Good for Hungary, be like Hungary. I wish more of our politicians were like Orban.
Even this channel is trying to portray the "Hungary first" as if that's bad. Well who's supposed to be first to a Hungarian prime minister...the French?? The Africans?
@@alfoldmapping5504 Turkey is the country with the most democracy. Elections are determined quickly. In the second election, he won with 51%. If Erdoğan was authoritarian, he would have received 90% of the votes like Putin.
Bonding over hating EU
And both want to trade with EU. Hungary is even a EU member and maybe a trojan horse for Putin.
Well hating something is the most powerful uniter of people since ancient time
@@Pointi69 also europe want to trade with turkey. %35 of eu staff come from turkish borders.
Turks do not hate EU. Erdogan does. And he will be in the train that goes to his hometown in a few years.
The guy who sold turks artillery for battle of Constantinople was a Hungarian named orban
Your knowledge is not much on the subject. Orban offered his services to the Byzantine emperor first but he could not afford or did not have the will to carry out his technology.
@@Sorty6578 Yes, that is the truth.
He was a Dacian not Hungarian.
Macaristan 🇭🇺 ❤Atilla❤Türkiye 🇹🇷
"how did hungary become turkey's most important EU ally"
Because Hungary has no friends in the EU anymore, and so leverages its position in the EU to do favors for forces outside of the EU. and turkey, being the largest authoritarian nation in NATO, makes for a good ally of convenience.
Pretty sure half the EU likes Hungary its only brussels and its pets like the poles french
In what world does an authoritarian nation have a ruling party that loses elections in their capital City
You just want to throw the authoritarian word around
I don't think Turkey is authoritarian.
@@21preend42 According to some people in the west any country that does not fit their image of liberalism is an authoritarian state
Some of the so-called European values are simply neo-liberalist not necessarily beneficial to individual nations.
Indeed. The coup attempt and the west reaction to it really tell Turkey how hypocritic the west really is.
We love Macaristan we respect them they are Christian but i feel more close than some other country . best wishes for all Magyar folks long live Hungaria (PS i dont like erdogan )
Nobody cares whether you like Erdoğan or not. Idle talk.
@@dronur6194 verdiğimiz rahatsızlıktan dolayı gurur duyarım
It’s funny how you criticised their methods as undemocratic when exactly the same things happen in the USA and other western countries and it’s perfectly fine!
Why EU became ally with S. Arabian, Qatar and Egypt even Ukrain? Because of democracy?
Most of the countries in EU are not democratic themselves. There is not even a proper right to strike for working class in France. There is no freedom of expression in Switzerland (although non-EU).
There are many problems and human right violations in those countries as well.
@@canerc6668 What are you talking about? France is constantly striking, Switzerland has freedom of expression and direct-democracy with referendums and initiatives.
@@cantthinkofabettername7016 In 2016, during CGT's general strikes, all 8 refineries of France also went on strike. The French gov't raided on 2 refineries and brutally and forcefully ended the strike, the workers right to strike's violated loutishly.
in 2007, Lausanne penal Court of Peace sentenced a person to 90-days of imprisonment for only expressing his thought and opinion which contradicts the current government policy.
I don't even mention the felonies of the law enforcements all over the EU (all these are also common all over the world) including m*rd*r and t*rtur*.
@@cantthinkofabettername7016 I sent you the examples, I hope you can read, thanks to the "broad" liberty of speech on YT nowadays.
@@cantthinkofabettername7016 And also, I want to add although it is out of our topic, in Switzerland's "direct democracy" people can decide the height of pavements via referendums.
But they cannot decide the most crucial issues if it contradicts the interests of financial institutions. It is just an illusion.
Hatay is Turkey's territory. It's a shame you messed up the map so much.
This channels sucks in so many ways.
@nicholaswalI tata Nobody forces you to watch (hopefully)
@@petermelang6695 it is none of your business.
I dint know about the Turkish coup attempt in 2016, Well, that's explain why Turkey is moving away from EU and US.
Many believe the coup attempt was backed by the west(US). Also the US has such history in the past.
The military overthrowing the government when they feel they've gone too far has been a thing since Turkey was founded. It has nothing to do with the US or EU.
@@Hideyoshi1991yeah the coups were mostly done by hardcore Kemalists back then, not hardcore Islamists who have been evacuated to US.
@@mossfen583 you know that coup made by erdogan so he can say 'i am good they are trying to get rid of me' so he can became stronger right? kinda like 9/11
so yeah there werent any kemalist but there were some other group :D
@@mossfen583 in 2016, it was done by an Islamic "cult" leader Fetullah Gulen supported by Erdogan. It has nothing related to Kemalizm.
why so hate. They are allies for more than 100 years
They have Turkic origin. They used to be called "Christian Turks" in Europe. So actually they are allies way more than a century.
This channel obsession with erdoğan and turkey is unexplainable
Turkey is a key player I global politics they have alot more vedios about other stuff it's just few vedios of Turkey that came to alot of people's notice
@@hungerquest7862 I was suprised only I see in feed is turkey election, inflation .bases, e.t.c
Even I thought it first a turkish English speaking Channel.
Good video.
Don't all politicians try to stack the Judiciary with judges friendly to their party?
Yes and it still a bad thing to do
Le dicton dit: qui s'assemblent, se ressemblent...
What's with excluding Hatay from the shape of Turkey on the "simplified style" map? Didn't realize this channel was trying to spread globally and legally opposed Syrian propaganda. Shame.
The same way QATAR become EUs most important ally
EXACTLY
"most important" lmfao they're just the Eu's gas station, out of the many other countries.
You forgot about Egypt which is EUs beloved allied country. Do you see anything about Sisi being a dictator. Of course no! Why not making a video about Greek Egyptian bromance?
Not texactly, Orban likes Erdogan because he is a dictator too, dictators like each other, because they "undertsand" each other very well... not least as they are both gengsters, they can do shady business with each other without that uncomfortable democtaric end legal limitations...
@@odenat3701 or how the Apartheid state best friend of the EU in the Middle East
Easier bashing on Hungary and Turkey when EU's arming Israel, pathetic.
In fact, Türkiye was also sending aid to Israel. This was so ironic. By the way, Hungarians are Christians but they are Turks. Hence the connection.
Stop spreading misinformation. Trade was continued and this situation criticised by the Turkish citizens but no aid was sent. @@Mianette13
@@Hale-vl9xc Although it is actually trade, weapons, electric fences, etc. was selling. So this is indirect aid. Even though it's called work. I'm not spreading misinformation.
@@Mianette13 No. Aid is aid and trade is trade. I am totally against both of them btw. But Turkish people sent whatever they have to Palestinians and Gaza, second in the aid. We are boycotting for months and if you compare this with the disgusting attitude of the west, it is not right to describe this as aid, aid was what the west did ,which is genocide they carried with all their power against the children of Gaza.
@@Hale-vl9xc Regarding trade and aid, I do not think the same because in case of war, trade is also a kind of aid. Especially if the things being sold are weapons and war materials.I do not speak for the Turkish people. This was a mistake made by the state. Yes, many of them did boylots, but the state continued to bring those products into the country. In other words, the people and the state did not serve the same thing. We also see marches in the West, but states decide which side to take.I think Türkiye should remain neutral inside and outside. After all, they are close to the war zone and Israel wants some places from Türkiye. Türkiye must secure itself.
European liberalism today survives thanks to Turkey, as it holds more than 5-6 million refugees from all over the world, which is more than the entire EU combined holds. Orban simply sees this. Rest are just additions.
Our government, which allows this, is committing treason. Türkiye should never have allowed more refugees from a European country to stay in Turkey permanently.
Turkey survives thanks to the 8 millions Turks living in Europe and sending money to Turkey
@@balporsugu7046 wait turks went as well in Usa Argentina Germany and so on.
I love the miniature picture 😂❤
The term Bromance should not be used in international relations, though great video!
Two Dark Lords of the Sith sitting on Emperor's Dark Council. No suprise they have simiarities
Why would NATO be the Emperor's Dark Council? This makes no sense.
@@profemeritus534 CSTO you cow
@@profemeritus534 true, NATO would be more like emperor's senate.
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What's going on with the map in this video? The country shapes look like a first grader drew them.
Because that's what they are
HE'S DOING HIS BEST, OK?
What interesting news
Hopefully the Hungarian opposition leader's name will come up more frequently in the near future, so I would urge you TLDR news to adapt a more Hungarian pronounciation for the "gy" in his name. There doesn't seem to be a similair sound in English, but it should sound like when you try to pronounce the letter D together with the letter Y (as in "yes"). Don't want to sound condescending tho, I know you try your best with names!
Are you paid for making videos against Turkey?
Why is this channel keep bringing up Turkey? Stop making a bad image of Turkey in the westen audience. Turkey will not be a puppet state of west. So just spare your tries.
1:25 im certanly an opposite of Erdoğan but he has elected by people. You can't call him as a ''semi democrat'' maybe you can call Turkish people as semi democrat but country has democratic secular system...he is not (he can't be even if he wants it) dictator or somethin else.
We have never enemies each other. Throughout history, as we Turkish and Hungarian we have strong relationships ! If somebody say Turkish and Hungarian are enemy it is totally wrong. We have same history. We have similar culture. ❤
It’s only fair. Turkey is culturally Europe despite being in Asia. They will join the EU eventually.
They have more European population than most of the Balkans
Turkey is technically both in Europe and Asia, but historically, culturally,genetically and politically close to Europe, so it s a Eurasian country overall
Turkey is both culturally and geographically European. The ''asian'' part is also considered Southeast Europe so look at the bigger picture. Also, Turkey's Istanbul is the biggest European city in Europe. So yes, it will join the EU eventually, probably when Erdogan is no longer the President.
Maybe. When it has become a democracy
The "Illiberal democracy" quote is very out of context. That is not at all what he meant in that speech.
So what he meant in that speech? I have heard that speech, so I am really curious... By tha way I think "illiberal democracy" is a contradiction! He just meant: Hello, I am buiding a dictatorship right now...
@@123_1 it's exactly what he is doing
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This channel is indeed informational wellspring
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Good morning, hope you'll have a nice day!
Both leaders have nationalistic conservative background that has TURANISM motives.Hungary is observer in the Organisation of Turkic States.
Hungarians are descendents of Turkic Asian steppe nomads which are heavily mixed with Europeans. Just like the Turks in Turkey who have Turkic origin and heavily mixed with mediterraneans, balkanic people and middle easterns.
Hungarian is not an indo-european language, it is an agglutinative asian language like Turkish.
So apart from 2 athoritarian leader Hungarians and Turks have some common interest in politics.
Hungary lost almost 99 percent of his turkic roots except language. But not Türkiye. Türkiye still has strong roots with other Turkic nations. Culturally, lingiuistically, genetically also. We are not the same.
If not for the Turks, Hungarians would not be in Pannonia, but the Volga
Erdogan is not even close to be a Turkish nationalist. He has a famous word: "We just took the nationalism right under our feet." Erdogan is not even a Turk etnically. DO NOT spread misinformation. Erdogan is going. This will end soon. (Greetings from Istanbul)
@@yldrmbrs You can’t define nationalism base on your personal terminolıgy . Nationalism is not your property. There is not only one Erdogan. Erdogan was pretending as a liberal until 2015 and he told that phrase in those times. Since failed coup attemp Erdogan is in coalition with Turkish nationalists. He supported Azerbaijan and he has idea of connecting Turkic states by roads in south of Armenia.
His nationalism is different than secular nationalism of Ataturk or Nihal Atsiz. He want a muslim Turkic world.
But it is sure he slided to nationalism even he has georgian roots.
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Hungarians are basicly Turkish christians. the wars between them empires was not the only fight Turks fighting each other. Timur and Beyazit both were Turkish rulers and fought each other as well and there is much more examples like this. This is the main reason Turkish empires collapsed. there were no other opponenets that were a match at those times to fight against the Turks without losing. Now these are different time and Turks main objective is not to fight but rather use diplomacy doing business and try grow economicly. if Turkiye would have bin accepted into EU, Turkiye could and would be more active in defending EU. Without Turkiye and Hungary we are seeing how they getting destroyed by Russia militarily and by USA economicly. Europe could have avoided all this where it now has big problems and they are getting overwhelmed with refugees from poor countries who are destroying Europe.
Im not gonna lie, their bromance is kinda cute
They wouldn’t appreciate you saying that
@@flixelgato1288 Because they're closet homosexuals and i assume they want to get down and dirty with each other but alas they are forced to be with their wives.
The US always had an "America first" policy, so that isn't new or unusual.
Also, Hungary was openly against the migrants since Syria (2015 I think), saying that migrants won't take away Hungarian jobs. Please ignore the Chinese foreign workers who work in the Chinese foreign owned facilities, and have reached such a high number that Chinese policemen are now permanently in Hungary to "help" said workers.
My favorite part of this video is that awesome thumbnail if orabn or erdogan saw it they'd rage so hard lmfao.
This thumbnail gets a upvote from me xD
6:14 *🇫🇮Finland’s bid too actually*
All other 28 NATO allies ratified Finland’s accession by September 2022, but both of these nations kept blocking until March 2023 within days of each other.
Finland's was rejected due to joint bid with Sweden. Minor issues were resolved just a few months after the application.
I ship it. 🫶
Interesting that Orban is so positive on Turkey sibce 2016, yet in 2021, Orban said that he is not sure how 2 million Bosnia's muslims are going to integrate to Europe, as if Bosnia is not part of Europe geographically and to a point culturaly.
Neither of them belong. Bosniaks may indeed be closer to Europeans culturally, but they still share this sick bond with Turkey and the middle east.
There were many Bosniaks who went to serve ISIS.
Yeah Bosnia does not belong in the EU, the only reason they want to is because the Bosniak muslims don't want to allow secessionist movements to happen, they want to dominate the country and call it a muslim country because they're 50%
@@joschmo4497Bosnia may be Muslim but it has an interconnected History with most of the rest of Europe and culturally they are Europeans
as a easterner i dont understand how the 'strong' means bad
This relationship is quite one sided in reality. For example Hungary had no interest in blocking NATO membership for Finland and Sweden, but they did it anyway to show support for Turkey. It was really awkward, because they had to come up with fake, emotional reasons when finnish and sweden goverments asked what's the issue here. But in the end, Erdogan threw them under the bus in both cases. While Hungary was still repeating these fake reasons to delay the vote, suddenly Turkey voted yes for Finland. So Hungary had to change course within days and vote yes before Turkey, so NATO members won't increase pressure. In the case of Sweden Erdogan repeated the same thing, but this time the hungarian parliament was on a break, so they had to vote yes as the last remaining NATO member, which was even more awkward. Erdogan just doesn't care about Orbán, while Orbán is desparetly trying to find eastern allies.
Breaking the handshake agreement is cowardice, a disgraceful crime! Breaking a social taboo puts one on a path that never ends well. Especially if you are a politician, this is social and professional suicide. "My word is my honor"This is a well known rule in Türkiye. Conclusion: Erdogan will never proceed with the step she will take without talking to the Hungarians and getting their approval.
Misreading. It's easier to support Russia when Turkey is on stage :) Orban is a smart politician. Delaying this matter will benefit Russia, not Turkey :) They hid in the shadow of Turkey, it's that simple
Turkey and Hungary are cousin countries.Their roots are coming from middle asia.Root of Hungary is Europe Hun State.The most famous leader is King Attilla.❤Greetings from Turks to Huns
huns weren't hungarian, nor was attilla
we aren't related to turkish, language changes came when they invaded us for 300+ years
@@airtale8725You have no ties. We don't mean you :)
Fun fact Turkish nationalism who one of the fundamental ideology in turkey is actually originated from Hungary
What do you know about Türkiye? Let me explain, Türkiye paid Somalia's IMF debt. When the Ottoman Empire was in bad economic shape, he donated £4,000 to Ireland during the famine. While Bosnia and Herzegovina was under occupation, Türkiye helped Bosnia and Herzegovina even though it was economically bad. For this reason, Bosnia and Herzegovina sees the Turks as a brother country. During the Armenia-Azerbaijan war, Türkiye provided arms aid to Azerbaijan. He even sent the UAVs he was going to send to Canada to Azerbaijan. It is the Turkish nation that helps Palestine the most. And more. Türkiye does not let down any country it sees as a brother. And personally I don't want to join the European Union. I hope one day we will leave NATO. Thank God, I was created as a Turk.
Before I got into EU politics I thought they were the same guy for a sec, sorry for the ignorance
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It fascinates me since these two countries are sworn rivals 1000 years ago even up to the balkan wars
Our history with Turkey is more complicated than that
First of all, there's a famous theory that might or might not be true about Hungarians and Turks being related to each other, making Hungarians somewhat of a Turkic group. While technically, we are Finno-Ugrics, there are definitely some similarities in our languages, as well as our cultures (true, the Ottoman occupation influenced this a lot, but there is definitely an overlap between the Turanic culture found in Turkey and Hungary). The fact that Turks also consider Szekler people to be close to them and call Attila the Hun an important figure helps this a lot, since Attila is also important for us Hungarians, even if Huns are probably closer to Turks than to us.
Also, while the Ottoman occupation was definitely brutal, was responsible for the deaths of many and caused a lot of problems for later (it was partially responsible for Austria-Hungary being so diverse in terms of nationalities as many Hungarians were killed during the Ottoman wars, and other nationalities replaced them), it is not a black and white situation. While Ottomans ruled over a part of Hungary, the other part was increasingly becoming a Habsburg domain, and we were falling under Austrian control. With the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality, there were a lot of Hungarians who fought alongside the Ottomans against the Habsburgs, and we consider them to be heroes still (this applies especially to Transylvanian princes who were essentially vassals to the Ottomans, like Gábor Bethlen or István Bocskai).
As Ottomans and Austrians were still enemies even after the Ottomans left Hungary, and our country got under full Habsburg control, many Hungarians found a great ally in Ottomans for their fight against the Austrian oppressors. We still remember how leaders of our wars of independence against Austria were given refuge in the Ottoman Empire after these wars were suppressed. Many of these Hungarians who fought against Austria in 1848-49 also fought in the Crimean War alongside the Ottomans. Funny thing is, WW1 barely factors into our relationship with Turkey, as we mainly remember WW1 as a useless and bloody war that wasn't worth fighting instead of a glorious war that we sadly lost.
Also, Ottomans, regardless of how brutal they were, respected our religion and never tried to convert Protestants (well, there were the extra taxes for Christians that caused Albanians and Bosniaks to convert to Islam, but this never had an affect in Hungary). The Habsburgs, however, did prosecute Protestants, and as it became more and more serious in the 1600s, they increasingly were seen as the worse oppressor. This wasn't the case in the 1500s when it was mainly the Ottomans who conquered our territories and killed our heroes (we still remember those Hungarians who fought against them and often defeated them, like with the Siege of Eger in 1552), while the Habsburgs became the rulers of the rest of the country through marriage. After their persecution of Protestants and their increasingly heavy oppression of Hungarians who resisted them (which was often used as an excuse to take money away from Hungarian lords in order to make themselves richer), the Ottomans suddenly were seen as more reasonable. Though funnily enough, nowadays, we love Austria too, but that is thanks to Austria-Hungary, formed in 1867, where we joined together and this started a golden age for us. If that didn't happen, Austria would most likely be seen as our greatest oppressor (I'd still say that they were the greatest foe we had to deal with in history, more than Turks or Russians, but hey, no hard feelings).
Same with close ties between Hungary, Turkey and historic rival Russia
@@PeterPeter-pr2hi You are quite correct about the more complex relations in history. It is especially important to understand that the partition era of three part had a complex political re;lations between tthe Austrian controlled North West, the Transylvanian Fiefdom and Otoman Empure South. Religious freedom was not really practiced in the Austrian part.
For example, many of the Rákóczi 's war of independence ended up in Ottoman Empire as exiled.
I would also add, you mentioned Szekely's, but more importantly and proivable are the Kun people (Cuman) which are not Turkish, but Turkic horse nomads settled in between Duna and Tisza - many of the regional names keeps this heritage. In fact up to 19th century Kunok along with Jaszok (a group that perhaps most common with Ossetians - thus a North Iranian group in origin) enjoyed a regional autonomy.
@@karasukafka6918 Interesting, I didn't even think about the Cumans when I wrote this, but that part is true as well. Interestingly, we fought against them a lot as well, before they settled down and became assimilated.
As for Russia, which was mentioned by someone else in the comments, our population's view of it is more similar to that of Westerners, except for our history with the Soviets. They are either vieweed as an evil empire that was responsible for oppressing us in the past, and is now trying to conquer its previous satellites again, or they are an unsung hero standing against the "degenerate" West that wronged us in the past and still wrongs us today. Our government's ties to Russia are mainly economical though (all our oil and nuclear energy comes from Russia), but this is what people think.
@@PeterPeter-pr2hi Yep, quite correct. Russia also had deeper past with Hungary too - while recently 1848-49 is less used by Fidesz in its symbolic rethoric - the crush of the freedom fight was done byteh alliance between Austrian Empire and Russian Empire.
And you are quite correct about economical ties of energy relations - but it also serves something else both to Russia and Hungary - a way to move public money into private (those selecetd ones close to the power base) hands. Paks 2 is quite questioned project in relation of how these monies being used.
the Ottoman turks slaughterd en enslaved 1000's of Hungarians when they invaded Hungary. So nice brotherhood. Maybe far away there is a link between Turks and Hungarians.... but Hungarian belongs to the Fin Ugric family and not to Turkish
Guys, you have multiple presenters reusing the same personal sounding ad read
ًWhat is the meaning of TDLR? is this channel mostly about Turkish interest?
Western owned channel to make a bad image on the western audience of countries who don't obey them.
Turky will never join the EU.
Whether you cry or rejoice, Türkiye will eventually join the European Union.😂
Ottoman Empire and Austro-Hungarian Empire were friends for quite a long time, especially during their late centuries. So they have been friends for centuries, quite a misinformed introduction...
To be fair, Asutrian-Hungarian Empire did not exist for centuries. It emerged as entity in 1867 and lasted to 1918.
@@karasukafka6918 I am sorry then, Kingdom of Hungary both alone, and as part of Austrian Empire and then Austro-Hungarian Empire... Last two forms lasting from 1804 until 1918
@@resumedrivendevelopment Austrian-Hungarian Empire forms at 1867. Before Hungarian kingdom was not a separate entity. You had 1848-49 exactly due teh essential occupation, lack of Hungarian kingdom independence/newly emerging desire of an independent modern state.
And this conflict with Austrian Empire is quite important to understand exactly becaus eteh realtions with Ottoman Empire and various Hungarian movements will inform the complexity and often friendly relations. Liek teh Rakoczi Freedomfighters went to exile in Ottoman Empire eventually.
@@karasukafka6918 the complextiy and often friendly relations are more dictated probably by their shared fear of losing their overreaching control of territories in the Balkans and Transylvania and so on... With Ottoman empire as decadent power and the wave of nationalist uprisings it must have felt imminent.
@@resumedrivendevelopment Transylvania is an interesting case, as it was quite long an autonome territory. 1848 demands an Union (not an unification or control) with Transylvania. TTransylvanian Fiefdom remained independent during teh partition of Hungarian Kingdom too (other two were one of teh Austrian control and Ottoman control).
Turkey and Hungary are rent free in this channels head
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All countries should have a "first' policy I don't see the problem sometimes it will overlap and work with other countries sometimes it won't. charity and self-interest starts at home
Yeah, you try entering into a relationship with another person while retaining a "yes but me first" attitude. Good luck, you'll need it.
@@AttilaAsztalos I'm talking about countries not people
Let both of them see the thumbnail and watch at least one of them flip out.
I think that Europe should start talking hard to Hungarians and tell them directly whether they understand what Western civilization is all about or not because if they don't they should be kick out of the club.
❤❤❤ WE SEKULER REAL TURKS JUST LOVE THE ONE THE ONLY GREATEST LEADER ATATURK ❤❤❤
No way a channel like this can be balanced when most of the comments section is far left.
Very sensational thumbnail
Interesting
..Thanks for the update and Hungarian people have begun to make their feelings known about their(dictator) leader
I personally wouldn't consider _bromance_ to be an appropriate term to use in political news coverage.
I agree.
No, it's a perfect description
@@midloran for cringelords
They're children
The Hungarians (The HUNS) are a Turkic tribe, go and educate yourself.
Ya sus sus sus kesin artık
Do not forget history says Hungarian has Turkish origin.
Both of them are very smart. They have good relationship with Russia and this is needed in this conflict.
What most people dont get is that Turkey and Hungary are very close to Russia geographically.
The passage of Ships in Bosphorus and the ties of Hungary to the Udssr. They both do a gerat Job in communicating with Russia cause Germany can't hold still!
Turan rises! Long live our Turkish brothers!