UNDISPUTED ON FS1 that's on Billy because Westbrook was on fire in the 3rd they should hv rode him till he got cold n then rest 7-5 minute mark. Plus, he don't have help
+Ja'Crispy Smoove All the time. I bet that's how you know that fact. Wade was injured, and even Lebron got injured with the cramps. Before that the Heat were beating the Spurs on the road in the fourth quarter.
Klay Thompson u clearly didnt watch that series.Lebron didnt do anything to help the heat win after game 2.After game 2 lebron just got rebounds and points when they were already down by 20+
Markese Christian Lebron has two all stars on his team. Skip has been the biggest Westbrook critic in the past. You know he telling the truth when he's praising him.
not even you think its not normal for a star player whos team is down in the series and down in the game with 8 mins left to not take some quick shots even if theyre misses? 10x more pressure is on him and he was hitting nasty 3s all game. Even though the 4th quarter wasnt his best i think its his team going down with him on the bench that makes him lose momentum he wouldve dropped 50 if he wasnt benched
Russ wins: they say it was all him and he is mvp Russ loses: not his fault he has no team Meanwhile for Harden -Harden wins: of course he is going to win he has a great team -Harden loses: harden choked -Harden leads team to second place in the west during the 2014-15 season by himself with amazing stats (dwight and beverly were out, second best player was josh smith): curry mvp cuz his team won more -Harden leads team again with amazing stats this season: russ mvp cuz he doing it all by himself, forget about the wins cuz russ is averaging a triple double. - Harden avergaes 29 7 and 5 last season: doesnt make any all-nba team everyone does harden dirty bruh
Untrue. Harden is credited for wins and losses and many Westbrook haters give harden credit for Lou Williams and Eric Gordon doing well of the bench. Credit that he doesn't deserve. He's blamed for the losses most of the time. And most people said he deserved the MVP in 2015 which is why the players association gave him their MVP.
Bruh how Is Westbrook to blame when OKC was +12 when he was playing?🤦🏼♂️ The moment he sat down The rockets went on a big run. Also James Harden is -6 when he's playing meaning the rockets play better when he's on the bench
No one can be stupid enough to think the Rockets are better without Harden. In a 1 game sample size anything can happen. Stuff that makes no sense like that can happen
Ethiopian Pride they play the exact same without him tho. They move the ball and they get open shots. It just tells me that Dantoni is the main reason the rockets are so good. I don't think they're better without harden, but i believe they could still make the playoffs even with a mediocre pg.
they got a chance every match to step up when he goes to the bench, and I guess the +/- will show you how much talent they have. Don't act like you know what its like to be in Russ' shoes when he's surrounded by bums..
if you believed that thunder would get to the finals with that team then you must be stupid. Everyone knows that it is going to be GSW vs CLE. Rockets got to the second round but they still aint winning a championship and Harden aint getting no MVP either.
Russell Westbrook didn't wanna rest, Donovan wanted him to. All those people making comments about triple doubles isn't relevant. The fact that everyone on his team couldn't shoot efficidntly and he still got double digit assists but no one wants to give credit for that? Even Roberson was running from James Harden cos he didn't wanna take free throws. Everyone wants to mention how Houston didn't perform, and blame Westbrook for the team losing in the fourth, ignoring the fact he was the reason why they even had the lead
The better team won. The benches/ aren't comparable whatsoever. He didn't play good basketball in the 4th quarters but thats what happens when you have to spoon feed your team for 3 quarters. Thunder were outscored by over FIFTY when Westbrook sat. You want Westbrook to make up for 10 points a game basically, thats ridiculous. It's not like he got good rest either, he sat for 2 minutes at a time, and his team managed to nosedive EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Do you watch the games bro? He ain't a ball hog. He passes the ball but no one was making shots. Who you want him to pass it to? He passed it to Dipo, misses a lot. Passed to Roberson he air balls, so I'm confused
People keep said WB's supporting cast is garbage and put blame on them rather than some on WB too, but fan and media alike forgot that the team that Harden carry to 2nd seed back in 2015 is even worse compare to this WB team, oh and that also include the fact that Harden's team suffer more injury in both regular and playoff unlike WB's team where they barely suffer any injury at all. You can just search the team that harden carried in 2015, pretty much half of his teammate are no longer play in nba while the other half stay but again half from those who stay in nba are now play for another team. This should tell you how bad that team and despite this harden carried them to 2nd seed but in the end penalize for not win enough, now all of a sudden harden can't win MVP because of team success. The media really is being contradict in their evaluation of MVP award, such a double standard.
WestBrick predictably shot his team out of the game. 4/18 in the 4th quarter. There was a point when they were down by 5, he would come down the court and shoot, brick, drive for a layup, clang, shoot a jumper, boing. 7 sequences where he clanked so hard, I thought the rim was going to break and the rockets extended the league to 10. The game was very winnable if Russ played like he does in the 1st half when he's hunting for the triple double and tries to get his other players involved. Soon as the 4th hits, Russel's all about ME ME ME and it hasn't worked out a single time in his career in the post season. OKC fans need to realize that this mentality will never get you deep into the playoffs even if you have a superstar on KD's caliber come back to the team.
Makuochi Igwe when you give your team the lead but take a quick rest and you are down by 5 and it isn't the benches fault? But that's none of my business 😂
He was obviously fatigued. Whenever he leaves the floor his team completely collapses. Anyone that watched the game could see how tired he was in the 4th of those games. Not just the minutes, be he go at 100% every minute or else his team has nothing. His teammates that he was supposed to "trust" went -60 when he was off the floor and can't even hit free throws.
Shannon makes a great point about rhythm players most role players are that way I usually think u have to make a converted effort to get those guys involved and help them stay engaged in the game so that they will be there when u need them. It's true
as a okc fan i blame russ completely. His triple doubles, his amazing year, 4 losses, and 1 win. For one he is the leader and for two when you aren't playing good at all you call a timeout and tell your team "look I'm not playing well so one or all of you are going to have to step up" its your position as team leader to get everyone on the same page and clicking and if you play the playoffs the same way you landed the 6th seed in the regular season things aren't gonna go your way
AiirxGeordan23 yes blaim russ while kanter can't be on the floor cuz defense liability, russ playing 4 on 5 every possession cuz Roberson is a offense liability , oladipo plays like trash..okc bench out scorer by 101 during the series, that's a nba record let's blaim russ and ur a okc and u dint even know how value russ is lmfao what a joke
It's crazy how we penalized harden for having a so called "better team" well by that logic curry shouldn't have won Mvp in 2015, Lebron in 2012 & 2013, lets take away some of MJ Mvp's, also magic & bird Mvp's as well
i blame the coach for being oblivious to russ struggling every fourth qtr and making adjustments accordingly. i also blame him for not putting gibson or mcdermott on the floor in late game 5 because they made those trades to help westbrook.
KD the GOAT scorer #KDCurryBestDuo yep he played hero ball through out every 4th quarter and bricked. Also his field goal percentage was 38 this series. you cant win like that.
Of course Westbrook is to blame, he goes into ballhog hero ball in the 4th quarter, not playing as a team and trusting his teammates. Skip kept telling Russ gets no help but funny enough he trusts his teammates for 3 quarters, allowing okc to lead, but then suddenly in the 4th quarter he can't get help from his teammates anymore, that just doesn't make sense
No one is denying Westbrook contribution to the team, but he's their only game plan, give the ball to WB and let him run the offense. Problem is that he's doing that well for 3 quarters but when comes the 4th quarter he's the ultimate ballhog by not putting his teammates in good situation to score. Mr triple double only has 6 assists in 5 x 4th quarters ... ugh
The thing about OKC is the team doesn't know how to play with Westbrook during critical points of the game because his style of play says to the team "get out of my way, I got this". And we saw that over and over during that series. He has to understand the TEAM can't win that way, which is why they lost
Roderick Foster lost cuz bench got outscored by 101 points during the series . If u think u can win like that then man maybe russ greatness is underrated
I'll be the first one to say that russell has minimal help out there but the way he just jacks up shots sometimes makes me wonder if he'll ever attract any help. Cuz brodie really plays with such confidence that his tunnel vision often takes over for the worst
"Resting Russ at the end of 3rd Quarters and early 4th quarters made them lose" ummmm... No. Him taking all the teams shots and missing most in the later quarters is what made him get sat.
Kings Of The Vox when he left they had the lead by 5 came back they were down 5 and houston had all the momentum so of course he had to try to save them by taking most the shots learn basketball
The problem goes all the way back to the beginning of the year, the offseason. The Thunder didn't work on developing their players, while that's all the Rockets did. Making them better equipped to deal with close games. Thoughts?
So Russell gets all of the credit when they Win & none of the blame when they Lose? Yes, Triple Double is the greatest thing ever in the history of mankind, we got it... Russell shot a terrible % from field & even worse from 3. He's an overrated stat padding egomaniac. Just keep making excuses for Westbrook though, you'll quickly find out why no other NBA Superstar wants to play with him.
Liberty City El cuz it's obvious why they were winning... cuz of Westbrook when they lose his team does horrible but he still does good,give Russell Westbrook some people who can make a basket they make it to the conference finals aka last year but Golden State is just too good and they still almost beat them
that's your opinion. he's not overated at all because NO ONE can average a triple double even if they tried. only maybe lebron if he REALLY stat padded
shannon says exactly what ive been saying about russ for years. If you dont trust your teamates they wont trust themselves. If you think that you shooting a fadeaway over 2 defenders is better than your teamate spotted up wide open. he will never knock down that shot. russ should pass the ball every time in this situation and eventually his teamates will be able to knock it down come playoff time. but... those triple doubles though...
Players that have help LeBron James : Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love Steph Curry : Kevin Durant, Play Thompson Damian Lillard : CJ McCollum John Wall : Bradley Beal Kwahi Leonard : The rest of the team James Harden : Trevor Ariza DeMar Derozan : Kyle Lowery Jimmy Butler : Dwayne Wade Isaiah Thomas : Al Horford, Marcus Smart Russell Westbrook : Russell Westbrook
Noah Rogers it is and okc bench got outscored by 101 points that series that's atrocious, Roberson also broke record for most miss free throws without a make
KD's already proven it. 13-14, Russ goes out, KD leads the Thunder to near 60 wins. 14-15, KD goes out, Russ leads them to a playoff miss. they played the same or near the same amount of games of those seasons. Ibaka played just as much both seasons.
skip bayless won the debate hands down. im an okc fan and ive watched donovan do this since the first game against golden state this year. they were up and next thing they sat russell and it was over.
Westbrook actually makes his team worse. Adams and Oledipo can ball, they've proven it. Why aren't we asking why they are underperforming with the ball in Russ' hands? They are hot all game and then Russ just stops giving them the ball for some reason and proceeds to shoot them out of the game. He's mister hero ball and everyone knows it. Hero ball makes your team cold and thus you get Ls.
Jaden Ray They were bad, because Russ made them look bad. He made no one on his team better. Russ stole rebounds from Adams. There was no ball sharing, so no one on his team could get into a rhythm. Russ' 4 quarters debacles hurt OKC chances to win games. He was too ball dominant and didn't share. Russ is a me first guy. He has to get his, don't care about no one else. Russ was talking trash To Beverley saying he was unguardable and got 40. Beverley said, but it took you 34 shots, not a good look.
Russ passed both of them the ball but as I said IF you watched the games youd see that even when westbrook was out oladipo had his chances but as usual didnt do anything. Adams was a mess defensively in the first round, dont blame russ unless you 100% watched the games because he HAS to shoot the ball because his teamates either A give him the ball with 4 seconds left on the shot clock, or nothing is going because they cant create shots at all and arent shooters. And beverly one of the worst starting pgs in the game? Beverly cant guard westbrook at all, he was in foul trouble the whole series he continuously reached and got called for fouls and was blown by several times and you would see this once again if you watched the series.
People talk about how Westbrook is selfish, a ball hog, and inefficient, but people forget that Lebron inefficient series vs Warriors in the 2015 finals when KLove and Irving was gone. Dude average over 35 points, 13 rebounds, and 8 assist which is a good stat line. But, Lebron shot 39% taking 33 shots per game which is horrendous, Lebron beat Rick Berry's record for most missed shots in a Finals series. U can argue Lebron was selfish and a ball hog in the 2015 Finals, but people always argue Lebron is this team player like Magic Johnson. Lebron just like Westbrook had to carry his squad without a good supporting cast, at least in that 2015 Finals Lebron had shooters and offensive weapons Jr Smith>Victor Oladipo, Westbrook has no shooters and literally willing his team to victory and people still discredit him, it doesnt make sense..
Lebron carried his squad to the finals against a very tough Bulls squad with Jimmy Butler, Derrick Rose and the 60 win hawk team. Lebron than beat GSW twice and made it a competitive series. Lebron averaged 42 minutes and played over 40 in the finals. Lebron was guarded by players like iggy and Draymond. How was Lebron a ball hog when his team had no one to create for themselves? His second best teammate was Matthew Dellavedova.
Levi Jaroslaw, Rockets are a good team too and they have a chance to beat the Warriors. Rockets bench is better than Warriors even with the loss of Sam Dekker. Rockets got shooters and guys who can create their own shot and they have a system wit Mike D'antonie that play uptempo and shoots a lot of threes. Westbrook mange to win 1 game at least, the problem wit Westbrook was that he rested in the 3rd quarter and the Thunders collapse. Westbrook couldve played 48 minutes per game and they couldve actually win the series, but Westbrook knows his body better than everyone else and he felt it was a good idea to rest. Even if Westbrook ended up staying in the game late in the 3rd and throughout the 4th and ended up beating the Rockets, OKC is still a flawed team. This series has exposed how bad the Thunders, also Billy Donavan doesnt even play his two best shooter McDermitt and Abrines, he rather play Grant and a Andre Roberson whos a offensive liability who can shoot free throws
Anthony Celestin Lebron is averaging 50% fg for his entire career and that includes the 7 yrs were he was the only superstar in his team. Wesbrook has never shot above 50% for a season. When he had Durant, Harden and Ibaka he still was inefficient and shot below 45% fg. Wesbrook being inefficient isn't something that started after kd left, he has being that way his entire career.
lol LeGOAT has carried teams full of scrubs to deep playoffs runs and finals many times while shooting 50% most of the time something westbrick can only dream of faxx lmfaoooooooooooooooo
You guys talking about Russ taking too many shots it was going to be either him bricking 20 shots or the rest of the team bricking 20 shots. So I don't mind the MVP of the league missing 20 shots
I wish they would talk more about the teams as a whole, rather than individuals constantly being compared. The comparisons don't both me, it's the fact that that's the battle within a war. The Rockets were just a better team, they played poorly and we're still able to beat them. When the trailblazers got swept we don't question whose to blame, because the Warriors are just a better TEAM. I personally think it would have been more interesting if they also talked about how the Rockets will match up next round and some of the other more interesting series going to game 6.
The whole team and the coach is to blame for losing the series.Not just Russell. Russ shouldn't took so many three pointers in the 4th. Especially when he missed the 2nd attempt. Not his fault for Robertson and Oladipo shooting poorly!
I feel that it was already doomed because OKC can only win with Westbrook. If you have to have one player play the whole time to win then you already lost. I give Westbrook all the credit for his teams wins but it's sad to say that it's his fault he wasn't able to help his team figure out a way to progress without him. Basically, Westbrook showed us that you can't win on your own.
Good leader will make his team better, so saying OKC has a bad team equals saying Russel Westbrook a bad leader. OKC players are afraid to shoot the ball, like Indiana players. I've seen it so many times in sport. Steven Adams wasn't even able to answer the question on post conference w/t Russel's approval.
Westbrook averaged 30 shots a game for this series and at barely 39% along with a 6 turnover average. Why couldn't they have had more plays for Roberson, Adams, and Gibson who were shooting a combined 58% from the field?
Russell plays amazing basketball and involves his teammates and looks like the best player in the univers for 2 or 3 quarters. And then, at some point in the third he realizes he already has the magic number of 10 assists. At that point he probably already has close to 10 rebounds and of course 20+ points. So then everything changes. His teammates don't exist anymore in his mind. It's already the end of the game. He's got his triple double. He's a legend. Nobody can touch him. Here comes the 4th quarter, aka Brick-Time!!! Now no matter who's open or who's guarding or double teaming him, you now he's shooting the ball (and missing). Sad story.
Ashley Montana Wow it's amazing that a woman can actually sit analysis the game and understand what so many grown men over look just because he has a triple-double... basketball 101
Reno Hines yea like how russ has 20 3rd quarter points and can't rest for 2 minutes cuz his team can't hold a 14 point lead for 2 minutes . speaking of 101. his bench got outscored by 101 points during this series. that's a nba record. talking about value his team was -58 without him . are u serious? man please
Ashley Montana lead league in 4th quarter points, try watching the games more. watch outcome. watch how he had 20 point 3rd quarters. if russ plays great every game he basically have 50-10-10 50% but he human and u clowns don't see it lls
I don't know...I wonder what would happened if Russell played with his team in the first half, let them score, maybe even let the Rockets have some lead and than in the second half he would get into scoring mode and really get it going. It looked like he always kept it close for the entire game and than he blew it by forcing his shots.
Years later, you could argue that even though Russ didn't have much help that year, he also didn't really maximize the talent around him, especially considering the rises of Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis in Indy and Jerami Grant's improvement.
Russel Westbrook is the most athletic point guard in nba history. His style of play is so explosive + the minutes he plays, of course he's gonna get tired!! If AnDrE RoBeRsOn would actually make a damn layup maybe the thunder would've won this series!!
Well he wasn't making sure everyone was in rhythm and confident as he was about to go to the bench. Maybe would've won another game if he would've gotten the team more involved.
Do you blame Russ for the Thunder's playoff exit?
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 no his teams trash
No I blame the bench team
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 that's on Billy because Westbrook was on fire in the 3rd they should hv rode him till he got cold n then rest 7-5 minute mark. Plus, he don't have help
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 does skip ever hear himself talk like really
Russell teammates are to blame
A video about Russell Westbrook? When does Skip mention LeBron losing by a record margin to the Spurs in 2014?
Ja'Crispy Smoove or green's suspension
"Ray Allen saved Lebrons legacy with the clutches shot i have ever seen"
+Ja'Crispy Smoove All the time. I bet that's how you know that fact. Wade was injured, and even Lebron got injured with the cramps. Before that the Heat were beating the Spurs on the road in the fourth quarter.
Klay Thompson u clearly didnt watch that series.Lebron didnt do anything to help the heat win after game 2.After game 2 lebron just got rebounds and points when they were already down by 20+
AD GOAT #betterthankat 2018 NBA CHAMPION LBJ AVG 25/4/8 In that finals against the spurs.
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Shane Garib 😝😝😝
that should be the new name of the show
Shane Garib Who dat !! SKIEEEYUUUPP
Shane Garib I don't get it ????
Skip always gets on LeBron case when he didn't perform in the 4th, but Westbrook gets a pass when he does it. Smh
Markese Christian
Lebron has two all stars on his team. Skip has been the biggest Westbrook critic in the past. You know he telling the truth when he's praising him.
exactly. LeBron led a team of scrubs to the finals.
Markese Christian skips been praising LeBron quite a bit recently though lol I'm shocked
Jay TS lol he still calls him the Kaaaang instead if the king. Thats pretty funny though.
it's calculated
im sorry but 2-11 in the 4th can't be ignored .
if any-other player that did that would of been slandered beyond belief
Commandosoap777 not Kawhi Leonard. He never gets called out.
not even you think its not normal for a star player whos team is down in the series and down in the game with 8 mins left to not take some quick shots even if theyre misses? 10x more pressure is on him and he was hitting nasty 3s all game. Even though the 4th quarter wasnt his best i think its his team going down with him on the bench that makes him lose momentum he wouldve dropped 50 if he wasnt benched
TheRealH2dut Bs they call kawhi kawchocke when he barely plays certain times in highlights
Terrell Stewart never heard anyone call him that idk where you got that from.
Russ wins: they say it was all him and he is mvp
Russ loses: not his fault he has no team
Meanwhile for Harden
-Harden wins: of course he is going to win he has a great team
-Harden loses: harden choked
-Harden leads team to second place in the west during the 2014-15 season by himself with amazing stats (dwight and beverly were out, second best player was josh smith): curry mvp cuz his team won more
-Harden leads team again with amazing stats this season: russ mvp cuz he doing it all by himself, forget about the wins cuz russ is averaging a triple double.
- Harden avergaes 29 7 and 5 last season: doesnt make any all-nba team
everyone does harden dirty bruh
bob bob this is facts. Idk why they do that
Untrue. Harden is credited for wins and losses and many Westbrook haters give harden credit for Lou Williams and Eric Gordon doing well of the bench. Credit that he doesn't deserve. He's blamed for the losses most of the time. And most people said he deserved the MVP in 2015 which is why the players association gave him their MVP.
bob bob factsssss!!!!
bob bob yeah 2014-2015 harden should have won unanimous mvp
bob bob Major W
Bruh how Is Westbrook to blame when OKC was +12 when he was playing?🤦🏼♂️ The moment he sat down The rockets went on a big run. Also James Harden is -6 when he's playing meaning the rockets play better when he's on the bench
NBAbram EXAAAAAAAAAACTLY
NBAbram because he can only do stat padding but can't get the thunder farther in the playoffs
No one can be stupid enough to think the Rockets are better without Harden. In a 1 game sample size anything can happen. Stuff that makes no sense like that can happen
NBAbram just gonna say that Russ should maybe try to get 1 of his mates hot so when he goes out they can at least score to an extent
Ethiopian Pride they play the exact same without him tho. They move the ball and they get open shots. It just tells me that Dantoni is the main reason the rockets are so good. I don't think they're better without harden, but i believe they could still make the playoffs even with a mediocre pg.
Billy Donovan is 100% to blame. Terrible rotations
The Heartfelt Kid so it's the coaches fault that Russ shot 14-48 in the forth quarters of the series?
ya its billys fault
The Heartfelt Kid here we are...... Back again. Who's to blame
How would you feel if all year people told you that you were trash and without one man you would be the most pathetic team in history ?🤔
Bakus maybe they should work on their game and then they could prove people wrong
It's called being a professional athlete. You have to be able to face the media's criticism.
they got a chance every match to step up when he goes to the bench, and I guess the +/- will show you how much talent they have. Don't act like you know what its like to be in Russ' shoes when he's surrounded by bums..
Poor millionaire basketball players getting criticized... How ever will they cope?
Russ wouldn't share the ball but KD has an MVP trophy. Okay.
This show is straight laughter. SKEEEEEEEEEEUPPPP!!!!!
I love skip and Shannon's chemistry lol
skip forgot to mention how he blocked his own teammate lol
"Skiiiiiup" lmfaoooo...gets me every time.
All those triple dubs just to get smacked in the first round
if you believed that thunder would get to the finals with that team then you must be stupid. Everyone knows that it is going to be GSW vs CLE. Rockets got to the second round but they still aint winning a championship and Harden aint getting no MVP either.
John Doe Yall ready to lose to the spurs in 5?
ThunderGang #ThunderUp you must be stupid if you think they'll lose in 5
EL CHAPO MVP means nothing in the postseason
Konformation07 And neither does winning in the first round. You win the championship or you dont and the rockets have no chance.
Russell Westbrook didn't wanna rest, Donovan wanted him to. All those people making comments about triple doubles isn't relevant. The fact that everyone on his team couldn't shoot efficidntly and he still got double digit assists but no one wants to give credit for that? Even Roberson was running from James Harden cos he didn't wanna take free throws. Everyone wants to mention how Houston didn't perform, and blame Westbrook for the team losing in the fourth, ignoring the fact he was the reason why they even had the lead
The better team won. The benches/ aren't comparable whatsoever. He didn't play good basketball in the 4th quarters but thats what happens when you have to spoon feed your team for 3 quarters. Thunder were outscored by over FIFTY when Westbrook sat. You want Westbrook to make up for 10 points a game basically, thats ridiculous. It's not like he got good rest either, he sat for 2 minutes at a time, and his team managed to nosedive EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Do you watch the games bro? He ain't a ball hog. He passes the ball but no one was making shots. Who you want him to pass it to? He passed it to Dipo, misses a lot. Passed to Roberson he air balls, so I'm confused
People keep said WB's supporting cast is garbage and put blame on them rather than some on WB too, but fan and media alike forgot that the team that Harden carry to 2nd seed back in 2015 is even worse compare to this WB team, oh and that also include the fact that Harden's team suffer more injury in both regular and playoff unlike WB's team where they barely suffer any injury at all. You can just search the team that harden carried in 2015, pretty much half of his teammate are no longer play in nba while the other half stay but again half from those who stay in nba are now play for another team. This should tell you how bad that team and despite this harden carried them to 2nd seed but in the end penalize for not win enough, now all of a sudden harden can't win MVP because of team success. The media really is being contradict in their evaluation of MVP award, such a double standard.
WestBrick predictably shot his team out of the game. 4/18 in the 4th quarter. There was a point when they were down by 5, he would come down the court and shoot, brick, drive for a layup, clang, shoot a jumper, boing. 7 sequences where he clanked so hard, I thought the rim was going to break and the rockets extended the league to 10. The game was very winnable if Russ played like he does in the 1st half when he's hunting for the triple double and tries to get his other players involved. Soon as the 4th hits, Russel's all about ME ME ME and it hasn't worked out a single time in his career in the post season. OKC fans need to realize that this mentality will never get you deep into the playoffs even if you have a superstar on KD's caliber come back to the team.
How about the OKC bench only scoring 20?
When you shoot 14/48 through games 1-5 in the fourth quarter it's your teammates fault?
But that's none of my business 🐸☕️😰😂
Makuochi Igwe we all know why the thunder even made the playoffs thank Westbrook he's defiantly mvp this season
Makuochi Igwe when you give your team the lead but take a quick rest and you are down by 5 and it isn't the benches fault? But that's none of my business 😂
Lol still shoot his team out of the game in the fourth quarter
He was obviously fatigued. Whenever he leaves the floor his team completely collapses. Anyone that watched the game could see how tired he was in the 4th of those games. Not just the minutes, be he go at 100% every minute or else his team has nothing. His teammates that he was supposed to "trust" went -60 when he was off the floor and can't even hit free throws.
SoNiceSnipin I've seen players take worst teams to the finals
Shannon makes a great point about rhythm players most role players are that way I usually think u have to make a converted effort to get those guys involved and help them stay engaged in the game so that they will be there when u need them. It's true
"Is westbrook to blame"? He was the reason they got into the playoffs😂
Gotta agree with Skip on this one. Last nights loss I blame on the coach.
this is a stupid topic because without russ, okc wouldnt even be in the playoffs lmao.
as a okc fan i blame russ completely. His triple doubles, his amazing year, 4 losses, and 1 win. For one he is the leader and for two when you aren't playing good at all you call a timeout and tell your team "look I'm not playing well so one or all of you are going to have to step up" its your position as team leader to get everyone on the same page and clicking and if you play the playoffs the same way you landed the 6th seed in the regular season things aren't gonna go your way
AiirxGeordan23 yes blaim russ while kanter can't be on the floor cuz defense liability, russ playing 4 on 5 every possession cuz Roberson is a offense liability , oladipo plays like trash..okc bench out scorer by 101 during the series, that's a nba record let's blaim russ and ur a okc and u dint even know how value russ is lmfao what a joke
Skip....
ITS TIME TO STAAHP
Would love to see Skip and Colin go at it on Westbrook
It's crazy how we penalized harden for having a so called "better team" well by that logic curry shouldn't have won Mvp in 2015, Lebron in 2012 & 2013, lets take away some of MJ Mvp's, also magic & bird Mvp's as well
deonta thomas ur so dumb, MVP is mos VALUABLE, westbrook at a better season than harden.
deonta thomas exactly name one MVP who didn't have a good team like its so idiotic to hold that against him
deonta thomas honestly and people act like this is because of Dantoni. Harden has been doing this for years in Houston!
deonta thomas Most people think Harden was robbed in 2015..
deonta thomas
and some of Nash's MVP's
I love it when Shannon yells SKEEEEEUUUUUPPP!!!
i blame the coach for being oblivious to russ struggling every fourth qtr and making adjustments accordingly. i also blame him for not putting gibson or mcdermott on the floor in late game 5 because they made those trades to help westbrook.
How often does Russell Westbrook miss a ton of shots, and commit multiple turnovers, in the 4th quarter? Quite often!
stephen tubbs lead league in 4tj quarter points this yr. watch basketball more
Lets talk about those free throws off 3 pointers also.
nobody is going to bring up the fact that worstbriick shot 2-11 in game 5 in the fourth quarter
Aaron#12 Rodgers#12goat *crickets*
#opinionVOID
+Joe 7374 how exactly is that opinion? Those are #Facts
Aaron#12 Rodgers#12goat he played bad every 4th quarter every game
did u watch the video?? they brought that fact up like 4 or 5 times??
James Harden Sucks MEGA ass😂😂😂
not the ONLY reason but a big reason
BOI I BE SIPPING TEA!!!!!!!
William Real Madrid FTW first comment
My favourite player is Steven Adams, and tbh i think what would be best for him is to leave OKC. It is really hindering his progression as a player.
william davies
Progression? Lol his only skills are rebounding and dunking off of easy Westbrook assists
he played bad every 4th quarter
gotta trust his teammates , like Harden
Those same teammates that went -60 when he was off the floor?
Maybe if his teammates were good shooters, he'd be able to trust them.
KD the GOAT scorer #KDCurryBestDuo yep he played hero ball through out every 4th quarter and bricked. Also his field goal percentage was 38 this series. you cant win like that.
Scott Bennici you don't know anything lmao
2014-2015 Finals, when Love, Kyrie, and Shumpert were injured, LBJ stats in the 4th period were horrendous especially 3pt fg percentage.
Of course Westbrook is to blame, he goes into ballhog hero ball in the 4th quarter, not playing as a team and trusting his teammates. Skip kept telling Russ gets no help but funny enough he trusts his teammates for 3 quarters, allowing okc to lead, but then suddenly in the 4th quarter he can't get help from his teammates anymore, that just doesn't make sense
Blackenedification guess that's why OKC was +20 with him on the court
Offline Feeds -58 without him lmfaoo that historically bad. Okc bench got outscored by 101 nba record playoff series
Blackenedification like how okc is winning by 7 and teams go on 14-0 run in 2 minutes while he on the bench man please
No one is denying Westbrook contribution to the team, but he's their only game plan, give the ball to WB and let him run the offense. Problem is that he's doing that well for 3 quarters but when comes the 4th quarter he's the ultimate ballhog by not putting his teammates in good situation to score. Mr triple double only has 6 assists in 5 x 4th quarters ... ugh
The thing about OKC is the team doesn't know how to play with Westbrook during critical points of the game because his style of play says to the team "get out of my way, I got this". And we saw that over and over during that series. He has to understand the TEAM can't win that way, which is why they lost
Roderick Foster lost cuz bench got outscored by 101 points during the series . If u think u can win like that then man maybe russ greatness is underrated
Houston is the better team. Russ could of played every minute of every game and they still would of lost.
Tyler Stoneman people don't wanna admit it tho
Tyler Stoneman 15 to 58 is a hard stat to deny
I'll be the first one to say that russell has minimal help out there but the way he just jacks up shots sometimes makes me wonder if he'll ever attract any help. Cuz brodie really plays with such confidence that his tunnel vision often takes over for the worst
"Resting Russ at the end of 3rd Quarters and early 4th quarters made them lose"
ummmm... No. Him taking all the teams shots and missing most in the later quarters is what made him get sat.
that's the dumbest thing ive ever heard. he dropped 20 points in the 3rd yesterday
owenb22 "end of" and if you don't think he shot them out of games in the 4th you are clearly bias.
Kings Of The Vox when he left they had the lead by 5 came back they were down 5 and houston had all the momentum so of course he had to try to save them by taking most the shots learn basketball
Kings Of The Vox he got sat for rest what are you talking about if russ could play the whole game he would lol he didn't get sat for playing bad 😂😂😂
No. He went to the bench because he's not superhuman. He needs to rest.
It's actually Sam Presti's fault for not surrounding Westbrook with players that can make open shots and getting a decent backup PG.
I blame the bench for not stepping up without Russ they wouldn't have seen the playoffs
As Carmelo said, they didn't have any semblance of a team strategy this series. Billy can coach, but he can't seem to stand up to Russell or Melo.
Westbrook had a horrible 4th in game 5 😂 here are Skips man crush in order
1. Jordan
2.Brady
3. Westbrook 😂
Id put mcgregor above westbrook
Tim Tebow needs to be #1
Yet he was the greatest player on the court for all the games.
Zeek Cozart MJ is the GOAt
Christopher Reed he does really like Tebow you're right replace Westbrook with Tebow
The problem goes all the way back to the beginning of the year, the offseason. The Thunder didn't work on developing their players, while that's all the Rockets did. Making them better equipped to deal with close games. Thoughts?
so 0 credit given to rockets. great just great
I miss this show so much
So Russell gets all of the credit when they Win & none of the blame when they Lose?
Yes, Triple Double is the greatest thing ever in the history of mankind, we got it...
Russell shot a terrible % from field & even worse from 3. He's an overrated stat padding egomaniac.
Just keep making excuses for Westbrook though, you'll quickly find out why no other NBA Superstar wants to play with him.
Liberty City El THANK YOU IVE BEEN TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE THAT BUT NO ONE LISTENS TO ME THANK YOU SIR THANK YOU
Liberty City El cuz it's obvious why they were winning... cuz of Westbrook when they lose his team does horrible but he still does good,give Russell Westbrook some people who can make a basket they make it to the conference finals aka last year but Golden State is just too good and they still almost beat them
Liberty City El facts
Liberty City El same i think of lebron
that's your opinion. he's not overated at all because NO ONE can average a triple double even if they tried. only maybe lebron if he REALLY stat padded
shannon says exactly what ive been saying about russ for years. If you dont trust your teamates they wont trust themselves. If you think that you shooting a fadeaway over 2 defenders is better than your teamate spotted up wide open. he will never knock down that shot. russ should pass the ball every time in this situation and eventually his teamates will be able to knock it down come playoff time. but... those triple doubles though...
Am I the only one that agrees with Skip like 85% of the time?
Klover probably
He's wrong 85% of the times so i guess yea
If you agree with Skip 85% of the time. Something is wrong with you mentally.
Nope, I'm with you.
Especially on this conversation..
I love Shannon but skip right on this one
SKIP BAYLESS IS A JOKE.
Completely AGREE with Shannon on this one...
Players that have help
LeBron James : Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love
Steph Curry : Kevin Durant, Play Thompson
Damian Lillard : CJ McCollum
John Wall : Bradley Beal
Kwahi Leonard : The rest of the team
James Harden : Trevor Ariza
DeMar Derozan : Kyle Lowery
Jimmy Butler : Dwayne Wade
Isaiah Thomas : Al Horford, Marcus Smart
Russell Westbrook : Russell Westbrook
The minus 58 has got to be the largest minus of all time
Noah Rogers it is and okc bench got outscored by 101 points that series that's atrocious, Roberson also broke record for most miss free throws without a make
drinking game. Take a shot everytime shannon says skip
If Kevin Durant was on this Thunders team without Russell the thunder would be a 50+ win team
LeBron James no lmao good joke tho
LeBron James L
KD's already proven it. 13-14, Russ goes out, KD leads the Thunder to near 60 wins. 14-15, KD goes out, Russ leads them to a playoff miss. they played the same or near the same amount of games of those seasons. Ibaka played just as much both seasons.
brady sterling he plays the same. He got triple doubles then and he got triple doubles now
brady sterling he missed 15 games that season
This is an incredible take!
0:58 did skip just praise lebron? Whaaaaaaaat
Kyle Seabrook so wierd lol He doesn't have anything bad to say About him right now lol
skip bayless won the debate hands down. im an okc fan and ive watched donovan do this since the first game against golden state this year. they were up and next thing they sat russell and it was over.
Westbrook actually makes his team worse. Adams and Oledipo can ball, they've proven it. Why aren't we asking why they are underperforming with the ball in Russ' hands? They are hot all game and then Russ just stops giving them the ball for some reason and proceeds to shoot them out of the game.
He's mister hero ball and everyone knows it. Hero ball makes your team cold and thus you get Ls.
Soji SideQuest thank you. Russ is an all about me guy. He is not going to let anybody on his team to steal his shine.
LOL Adams and oladipo were garbage all series. Dont know what games you were watching
Jaden Ray They were bad, because Russ made them look bad. He made no one on his team better. Russ stole rebounds from Adams. There was no ball sharing, so no one on his team could get into a rhythm. Russ' 4 quarters debacles hurt OKC chances to win games. He was too ball dominant and didn't share. Russ is a me first guy. He has to get his, don't care about no one else. Russ was talking trash To Beverley saying he was unguardable and got 40. Beverley said, but it took you 34 shots, not a good look.
Soji SideQuest Adams and Oledipo are not consistent
Russ passed both of them the ball but as I said IF you watched the games youd see that even when westbrook was out oladipo had his chances but as usual didnt do anything. Adams was a mess defensively in the first round, dont blame russ unless you 100% watched the games because he HAS to shoot the ball because his teamates either A give him the ball with 4 seconds left on the shot clock, or nothing is going because they cant create shots at all and arent shooters. And beverly one of the worst starting pgs in the game? Beverly cant guard westbrook at all, he was in foul trouble the whole series he continuously reached and got called for fouls and was blown by several times and you would see this once again if you watched the series.
Man Shannon on this piece like he's a DA in a courtroom cross examinin Skip like....😆😂 (watch how he be lookin down at his notes and talkin)
More Tripple doubles than wins this series so who's the real MVP ?
LeBron James lebron is the real most "VALUABLE" player and it aint even close
Alex killzu Advanced stats say Lebron and Curry are by far the most valuable players in the NBA. But nobody else is really close to them in value.
Shannon giggled like a kid Lmaoo love that man😂
He didn't play great but without him they wouldnt of had a chance at all
sklip bayless has gone biased against harden and the houston rockets this entire season / post season.
Why they lost the series in 5?
4/18 and also 1/10
Blame has to go to EVERYONE! IF YOU TAKE THE CREDIT WHEN YOU WIN YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT WHEN YOU LOSE
*Get ready for the Russexual's excuses, led by Skip Bayless*
but it's really the GM's fault to be honest
DE51 Haba yup, should of gotten better players after KD left
The coach made okc lose last year too , playing KD and Russ 40+ minutes a game
Creux it balances out with Shannon's Bronsexual's excuses from the regular season
Creux L
You gotta blame Andre Roberson. He shot 14% from the line in the series and 2-12 in game 4 in which they lost by 4
People talk about how Westbrook is selfish, a ball hog, and inefficient, but people forget that Lebron inefficient series vs Warriors in the 2015 finals when KLove and Irving was gone. Dude average over 35 points, 13 rebounds, and 8 assist which is a good stat line. But, Lebron shot 39% taking 33 shots per game which is horrendous, Lebron beat Rick Berry's record for most missed shots in a Finals series. U can argue Lebron was selfish and a ball hog in the 2015 Finals, but people always argue Lebron is this team player like Magic Johnson.
Lebron just like Westbrook had to carry his squad without a good supporting cast, at least in that 2015 Finals Lebron had shooters and offensive weapons Jr Smith>Victor Oladipo, Westbrook has no shooters and literally willing his team to victory and people still discredit him, it doesnt make sense..
" Willing his team to victory" yeah losing 4-1 is him willing his team to victory
Lebron carried his squad to the finals against a very tough Bulls squad with Jimmy Butler, Derrick Rose and the 60 win hawk team. Lebron than beat GSW twice and made it a competitive series. Lebron averaged 42 minutes and played over 40 in the finals. Lebron was guarded by players like iggy and Draymond. How was Lebron a ball hog when his team had no one to create for themselves? His second best teammate was Matthew Dellavedova.
Levi Jaroslaw, Rockets are a good team too and they have a chance to beat the Warriors. Rockets bench is better than Warriors even with the loss of Sam Dekker. Rockets got shooters and guys who can create their own shot and they have a system wit Mike D'antonie that play uptempo and shoots a lot of threes. Westbrook mange to win 1 game at least, the problem wit Westbrook was that he rested in the 3rd quarter and the Thunders collapse.
Westbrook couldve played 48 minutes per game and they couldve actually win the series, but Westbrook knows his body better than everyone else and he felt it was a good idea to rest. Even if Westbrook ended up staying in the game late in the 3rd and throughout the 4th and ended up beating the Rockets, OKC is still a flawed team. This series has exposed how bad the Thunders, also Billy Donavan doesnt even play his two best shooter McDermitt and Abrines, he rather play Grant and a Andre Roberson whos a offensive liability who can shoot free throws
Anthony Celestin Lebron is averaging 50% fg for his entire career and that includes the 7 yrs were he was the only superstar in his team. Wesbrook has never shot above 50% for a season. When he had Durant, Harden and Ibaka he still was inefficient and shot below 45% fg. Wesbrook being inefficient isn't something that started after kd left, he has being that way his entire career.
lol LeGOAT has carried teams full of scrubs to deep playoffs runs and finals many times while shooting 50% most of the time something westbrick can only dream of faxx lmfaoooooooooooooooo
Never thought i'd say this but I can't blame KD for leaving.
You guys talking about Russ taking too many shots it was going to be either him bricking 20 shots or the rest of the team bricking 20 shots. So I don't mind the MVP of the league missing 20 shots
Saidul Islam nope his team was getting buckets last two games lmaooo
Sauce Tino Oladipo was broke af last game 4/17 and roberson 1/7 so watch the game or shut up.
ThunderGang #ThunderUp Roberson not a scorer so why give him the ball??? Lmao
ThunderGang #ThunderUp yeah something westbrick knows all about lmao
I wish they would talk more about the teams as a whole, rather than individuals constantly being compared. The comparisons don't both me, it's the fact that that's the battle within a war. The Rockets were just a better team, they played poorly and we're still able to beat them. When the trailblazers got swept we don't question whose to blame, because the Warriors are just a better TEAM. I personally think it would have been more interesting if they also talked about how the Rockets will match up next round and some of the other more interesting series going to game 6.
This is so much better than FirstTake.
Skip took the words right outta my mouth
The whole team and the coach is to blame for losing the series.Not just Russell. Russ shouldn't took so many three pointers in the 4th. Especially when he missed the 2nd attempt. Not his fault for Robertson and Oladipo shooting poorly!
I feel that it was already doomed because OKC can only win with Westbrook. If you have to have one player play the whole time to win then you already lost. I give Westbrook all the credit for his teams wins but it's sad to say that it's his fault he wasn't able to help his team figure out a way to progress without him. Basically, Westbrook showed us that you can't win on your own.
Good leader will make his team better, so saying OKC has a bad team equals saying Russel Westbrook a bad leader. OKC players are afraid to shoot the ball, like Indiana players. I've seen it so many times in sport. Steven Adams wasn't even able to answer the question on post conference w/t Russel's approval.
The PLUS / MINUS for Russell and THUNDER EXPLAIN IT ALL
Westbrook averaged 30 shots a game for this series and at barely 39% along with a 6 turnover average. Why couldn't they have had more plays for Roberson, Adams, and Gibson who were shooting a combined 58% from the field?
Russell plays amazing basketball and involves his teammates and looks like the best player in the univers for 2 or 3 quarters. And then, at some point in the third he realizes he already has the magic number of 10 assists. At that point he probably already has close to 10 rebounds and of course 20+ points. So then everything changes. His teammates don't exist anymore in his mind. It's already the end of the game. He's got his triple double. He's a legend. Nobody can touch him. Here comes the 4th quarter, aka Brick-Time!!! Now no matter who's open or who's guarding or double teaming him, you now he's shooting the ball (and missing). Sad story.
Ashley Montana Wow it's amazing that a woman can actually sit analysis the game and understand what so many grown men over look just because he has a triple-double... basketball 101
Reno Hines yea like how russ has 20 3rd quarter points and can't rest for 2 minutes cuz his team can't hold a 14 point lead for 2 minutes . speaking of 101. his bench got outscored by 101 points during this series. that's a nba record. talking about value his team was -58 without him . are u serious? man please
Ashley Montana lead league in 4th quarter points, try watching the games more. watch outcome. watch how he had 20 point 3rd quarters. if russ plays great every game he basically have 50-10-10 50% but he human and u clowns don't see it lls
I don't know...I wonder what would happened if Russell played with his team in the first half, let them score, maybe even let the Rockets have some lead and than in the second half he would get into scoring mode and really get it going. It looked like he always kept it close for the entire game and than he blew it by forcing his shots.
people stop it when they win he gets all credit not the coach. so he get the blame for the loss.
For a second I thought Skip was gonna blame his triple-double season
Years later, you could argue that even though Russ didn't have much help that year, he also didn't really maximize the talent around him, especially considering the rises of Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis in Indy and Jerami Grant's improvement.
how can his teammates get into any type of flow? they run no set plays,just pass russ the ball and see what he does with it
Tone Blue that's Billy Donavan plays for ya
Tone Blue what flow ? okc trash they bricking
10:15 Shannon nailed it. I don't know why people have such a hard time understanding this.
Russel Westbrook is the most athletic point guard in nba history. His style of play is so explosive + the minutes he plays, of course he's gonna get tired!! If AnDrE RoBeRsOn would actually make a damn layup maybe the thunder would've won this series!!
Well he wasn't making sure everyone was in rhythm and confident as he was about to go to the bench. Maybe would've won another game if he would've gotten the team more involved.
I blame the owner, to be honest.
honestly hard to say, Russ is jacking and being efficient but he also needs more shooters, he shouldn't be shooting 18 3s in a game
Thunder just needs at least one more player that can get buckets.
I love this show T.T
Its a team effort there is no one person to blame here. We aren't watching tennis guys, this is a team sport and most teams are 8-10 deep!
No one is to blame. The Rocket's were a better team and in a playoff match-up the better team usually wins.
I've never seen Skip obliterated like this, he should just admit he was wrong..for once...lol
why is Skip ALWAAYS talking about LeBron when we talk about Russel Westbrook ?!