Same for me. A good parable is timeless. I had the opportunity to use a similar story with a friend to explain why people can be such trash. Reminded me of this scene.
Me too. Currently swimming with sharks who espouse collaborative working but would just as sooner stab you in the back. As battle lines have been established I can get to work
It is a shame Chakotay was such an undeveloped character, Robert Beltran was brilliant in this scene. The way he almost spits "I couldn't help it, it's my nature" at Janeway
Love Robert. Saw him in Toronto in 2008. Signed a bricklayer's trowel which archaeologists also use. He asked why and I told him that Chakotay was an archaeologist. So he understood. It was a weird thing but he signed the metal blade of the trowel.
Robert did his best with a character that was incomplete, at best, thanks to producers who relied on someone who conned them like a rabid pack of Ferengi. I admire him for that!
I love how their disagreements strengthen them in the end. And the tension meanwhile, is excellent drama. When Janeway and Chakotay clashed, you knew the situation would become dire indeed. That we'd see the flaws in the characters, adding danger and depth to the story. They both had great conviction, but also the strength to pull themselves back and listen. To admit to their flaws. That's how they braved the impossible successfully. By balancing intelligence, bravery, determination, respect and humility.
One of my favorite parts of this series. I always liked the character Chakotay, and this was one of his finest moments. Normally, I could side with Janeway as she was a brilliant tactician, but during this episode, I never once thought that Chakotay was wrong. The Borg are too machine like, and have no sense of honor. They would see no reason not to go against their word at the first chance.
Despite the fact that Janeway did get them back home Chakotay's point was made from a logical perspective while hers was made from a reckless one, you can't make deals with an enemy without grave risks involved
' Janeway ' didn't get them Home . Janeway from the future goes back in time and gifts Voyager superior Armaments and Shields from the future . From the storyline , Current Janeway loses much of her ' combined crew members ' to many more defeats and Tuvok is suffering in silence from a Neurological Vulcan Disease of which the Vulcans already had a cure for . The ' Original ' Mission was a 3 week endeavor to the badlands to capture a Maquis Vessel , They weren't supposed to be gone for very long but instead they get pulled into the Delta Quadrant of Space by the ' Care Taker ' who was dying . The ' Care Takers Race ' did great harm to the Ocampa Home World , in an attempt to ' fix ' the Ocampa Planet . They decided to shorten the lives of the Ocampa Peoples down to 9 - 12 years of age , they then live their entire lifespans in about a single decade of existence . The Care Takers Array supplies the Ocampan with all of the energy to sustain themselves but they have to live subterranean because of the loss of their environment surrounding their planet . The Ocampan are completely dependent upon the dying ' Care Taker ' for their entire existence and they are under assault from the Kazon . Eventually Janeway would get them home to the Alpha Quadrant but not before she loses most of her crew in the process , if it weren't for Admiral Janeway coming from the future , Captain Janeway loses . Admiral Janeway has to save Captain Janeway from her mistakes in her own past , it is how she saves the crew of Voyager .
fvillag1 Okay? I don't get how that has any connection to Star Trek. I just liked how they used it in the show, how pertinent it was to the current events in the storyline. I don't follow this "Xena Warrior Princess" so I probably wouldn't get it.
+TheTriforceCrusader in both shows use the scorpion story to represent an evil that would not change its mind even in difficult situations in the case of Star Trek it was the borg, in the Xena show it was Ares the god of war.
It's interesting, maybe even foreboding. Because what Chakotay said came to pass. The Borg did not hold up their end of the bargain and Seven of nine tried to re-establish communication with the Borg and have them all assimilated. But this was also where they freed her from Borg influence.
"Orange is the new Black" brought me here. S02 ep08 two inmates are talking about Kate Mulgrews character, "Red" and they mention The Scorpion and the Frog.
Everything Chakotay said, especially the part that comes directly after this clip, made perfect sense. Frankly Janeway comes across as a nut with the ethics of, well, a scorpion. Hell, maybe the conversation is really about her, not the Borg. She lead Voyager, yet couldn't resist stinging them again and again, despite shared danger.
The one thing that I was surprised was never addressed in this episode was that the doctors cure for Harry was what was used to create a biogenetic weapon to murder Species 8472. As soon as he learned his research was being used to create a weapon of mass destruction he should have recognized it as a violation of his ethics and his oath to do no harm, but not only did he never object, he continued helping modify the nanoprobes into a biological weapon. When I rewatched it recently I noticed how incredibly out of character it was for The Doctor, but I figure the writers just didn't have time to address any potential conflict with all the other plot threads going on in the episode
@@JesseColton Voyager as much as I love it, is guilty of having way too many episodes, even really good ones like Scorpion, where the writer's just routinely dropped the ball. Tuvix being the most famous example of that. Not only was the Doctor out of character, so was Janeway (just like in Tuvix), when she never bothered - in earnest - to reach out to Species 8472. It was one failed hail attempt in the midst of fresh post-battle debris/casualties, getting shot at (not seriously I might add, as weapons that could obliterate Borg cubes with rapid ease barely did anything but briefly interrupt Voyager's systems) and that was it, never tried again to communicate with this new alien race that were enemies of her enemies. It was that, Harry Kim getting injured in the middle of a conflict between two warring sides, Kes saying "the weak will perish" and Janeway was already 100% all-in on siding with the Borg over Species 8472.
@@JesseColton We've seen that Janeway doesn't hesitate to go into the Doctors programming and do a little snip snip when she "has to". I always just assumed they cut that scene for some reason..
Chakotay was right and that is a powerful parable and janeway does come across as a bit manical whatever happened to "boldly go" and so on ? Starfleet picks up and drops prime directives whenever it suits especially time travel which is a rule broken in every branch of Star trek
Janeway's reasoning made sense to me given the info she had at the time. Species 8472 were more powerful than the borg and meant to inflict greater harm (death vs assimilation) via Kes' telepathic mindmeld. As far as the Doctor's reasoning for helping to create a biological weapon, Species 8472 have no mouths and thus could never sing a tune. That's all the justification the good Doctor needed to break his oath.
"Are you sure that's how the story is meant to be interpreted?" "Of course. How else could it be?" "That mutual existence is better than mutual destruction. A wise scorpion would not have stung the fox until _after_ they had safely reached the other bank." "Awfully grim, isn't it?" "It's the truth."
Voyager was my least favorite of the live-action Trek series. But this scene always stood out to me as one of the best-written and best-acted in the franchise.
Funny thing is, even though Chakotay had his scepticism in a variety of scenarios, his heart was so big that he often proved to be the fox here. But who better to warn others than those who have been "stung"?
It's an interesting parable. One that holds an interesting & important lesson. In one show they use a frog in place of a fox. But the story & message are the same. "It's my nature"
I've never forgotten this episode - I must say I very much sided with Chakotay in this. Janeway was unstable, Kate Mulgrew sold it well and you see this aspect of her character several times over the series and several times Chakotay, Seven or Tuvok have to "patrol" her.
I've been thinking about this story a great deal lately because I can relate. I was hoping that it would be on You Tube somewhere, and here it is. Thanks so much for uploading it.
This is very good, buf the scorpions I have known wait until they are safely on the other side of the riverbank before stinging! (I have served my purpose)
One thing the Cardassians were more advanced than the major 3. I say to shut up these dumbasses that say that because Jellico was sure of what he was doing meant that he knew he could defeat the Cardassians. The prospect of war with them was destructive as was shown in "Journey's End." Two, unlike Troi's liberal nonsensical remark about how Jellico was unsure of himself, this was a true heart to heart and Chakotay saying he knows Catherine, "You don't know when to stop" has more truth and heart than Troi's nonsense.
Considering the damage that Voyager does to the collective in the final season, I really have to wonder who was the fox and who was the scorpion in this scenario.
+Austin Boylan, Unimatrix 01, the core of the collective surrounding the Borg Queen, contained trillions of drones. How many billions of them died when future Kathryn Janeway destroyed Unimatrix 01 with Voyager's help?
Yes it is, but given Star Trek Voyager is set 400 years into the future. Things passed down throughout time on Earth would be either mis-interpretated or changed up slightly i think. Even stories and parables are subject to change over time i reckon. This would naturally occur for an old story passed down throughout the ages of mankind realistically speaking!
One thing I always disliked about Voyager. That is: "Phasers are offline", "Warp engines are offline" "this is offline, that is offline". They never once in 7 years managed to gain any significant tech to help them.
You'll never see a scene like this in Alex Kurtzman's fake Star Trek. They'd be screaming at each other, throwing f-bombs, throwing fists, and lecturing each other on the scorpion's preferred pronouns.
If I found myself in that exact situation, I would have sided with Chakotay. We know how the script played out on the T.V. series but, given those circumstances, I would have voted to turn around. What I’m trying to say is, I think the script writers wrote a pretty little fantasy outcome but, real life never works out that way. In real life, Voyager and it’s crew would get assimilated by the Borg.
Wow, someone who knows about Star Trek outside the movies xD. Most people who claim they are Star Trek fans have never watched the series like Voyager and Next Gen.
Janeway should have partnered with Species 8472 instead. They could have adapted technology from them to utilize against the Borg and make it through their space.
@Gen. JFH At this point in time that reasoning really doesn't fly. Voyager had already been shot at by Species 8472, but were not destroyed. That should've clicked something in Captain Janeway's mind, that a weapon that can obliterate Borg cubes merely temporarily disoriented and interrupted Voyager's systems, maybe this new species is not bent on mindless destruction of everything and everyone - as opposed to the Borg who have already proven themselves to Starfleet as intensely driven, relentless destroyers of everything and everyone.
got something like this in RL and it emidiantly reminded me of this story... few girls who i know had a friend.. he fucke dup by playing them against echouther, and telling their secrets to about everybody.... and now they think he changed... but i know the truth.. not even a week ago he was doing such a thing again... but no one listens to me... i'm just waiting untill it all falls apart again xD
"There was a story I heard as a child, a parable, and I never forgot it." If I heard this story it would've been forgotten within five minutes nevermind.
+BizarrePower, I am not convinced that it is a great parable, or that it can even be classified as a parable at all. What exactly is the moral lesson that it seeks to illustrate?
Martian Dawn simple. If someone constantly does evil things ("stinging" others with murder, theft, lies, or deception) you should never trust them even if they seem to, or even really do, suddenly have good intentions. Because they will always fall back on those habits (their nature) and betray you. An example would be if you were screwing a married person. They divorce their partner and then want to marry you. I'll never cheat on you they say....and they may even really believe it themselves at the time. But time goes on and they inevitably fall back on their old habits... In a nutshell, it's saying people rarely change, and it's foolish to out yourself at risk for them after so much bad behavior.
Obama became the president of the U.S.A. because Jeri Ryan (7 of 9) had an affair with a married man. That man was the senator that had to drop out of his reelection race when the extramarital affair became public, thereby paving the way for Barack Obama to take his Senate seat and ultimately the presidency.
I presently think of Trump as the Scorpion and the bulk of Republicans as the Fox. And I add an additional component to the story of the scorpion promising to protect the fox once across the river.
I told this story to my step-daughter when she broke up with her black boyfriend after he stole $200 from her. We can't be mad at him for stealing, it's in his nature...
Insidious, but true. Political correctness attempts to deny this truth, while at the same time falling prey to it. It can't be beaten. You will always have the typical racist "WASP" male. You will always have the black "thug". You will always have the gay man that acts like a woman (or vice versa). And they will "sting" you, and they will annoy you, and they will gross you out and repulse you. And you will ALWAYS have those with rose-colored glasses, that try to make the case for them anyway. It's their nature.
I know one thing. I watched this episode almost 20 years ago and this story NEVER EVER left me. That means something, at least to me.
Because it is a great parable.
yup because sadly most humans are utterly ruthless and disingenuous its just they will never admit to it or anything lol
Same for me. A good parable is timeless. I had the opportunity to use a similar story with a friend to explain why people can be such trash. Reminded me of this scene.
Me too. Currently swimming with sharks who espouse collaborative working but would just as sooner stab you in the back. As battle lines have been established I can get to work
Same here.
It is a shame Chakotay was such an undeveloped character, Robert Beltran was brilliant in this scene. The way he almost spits "I couldn't help it, it's my nature" at Janeway
Same here Chakotay is my favourite star trek character im on his side ALL THE WAY
Love Robert. Saw him in Toronto in 2008. Signed a bricklayer's trowel which archaeologists also use. He asked why and I told him that Chakotay was an archaeologist. So he understood. It was a weird thing but he signed the metal blade of the trowel.
Moments like Chakotays speech here and Siskos speech about the Maquis in DS9 show how good Trek could be.
Robert did his best with a character that was incomplete, at best, thanks to producers who relied on someone who conned them like a rabid pack of Ferengi. I admire him for that!
I love how their disagreements strengthen them in the end. And the tension meanwhile, is excellent drama.
When Janeway and Chakotay clashed, you knew the situation would become dire indeed. That we'd see the flaws in the characters, adding danger and depth to the story.
They both had great conviction, but also the strength to pull themselves back and listen. To admit to their flaws.
That's how they braved the impossible successfully. By balancing intelligence, bravery, determination, respect and humility.
One of my favorite parts of this series. I always liked the character Chakotay, and this was one of his finest moments. Normally, I could side with Janeway as she was a brilliant tactician, but during this episode, I never once thought that Chakotay was wrong. The Borg are too machine like, and have no sense of honor. They would see no reason not to go against their word at the first chance.
Chakotay is my favourite star trek character im on his side ALL THE WAY
“Scorpion works because it’s what the show was supposed to be about in the first place.” - Chuck Sonnenburg, sfdebris
I love this moment in Voyager. Easily the best of the entire 7 seasons.
Despite the fact that Janeway did get them back home Chakotay's point was made from a logical perspective while hers was made from a reckless one, you can't make deals with an enemy without grave risks involved
' Janeway ' didn't get them Home . Janeway from the future goes back in time and gifts Voyager superior Armaments and Shields from the future . From the storyline , Current Janeway loses much of her ' combined crew members ' to many more defeats and Tuvok is suffering in silence from a Neurological Vulcan Disease of which the Vulcans already had a cure for . The ' Original ' Mission was a 3 week endeavor to the badlands to capture a Maquis Vessel , They weren't supposed to be gone for very long but instead they get pulled into the Delta Quadrant of Space by the ' Care Taker ' who was dying . The ' Care Takers Race ' did great harm to the Ocampa Home World , in an attempt to ' fix ' the Ocampa Planet . They decided to shorten the lives of the Ocampa Peoples down to 9 - 12 years of age , they then live their entire lifespans in about a single decade of existence . The Care Takers Array supplies the Ocampan with all of the energy to sustain themselves but they have to live subterranean because of the loss of their environment surrounding their planet . The Ocampan are completely dependent upon the dying ' Care Taker ' for their entire existence and they are under assault from the Kazon .
Eventually Janeway would get them home to the Alpha Quadrant but not before she loses most of her crew in the process , if it weren't for Admiral Janeway coming from the future , Captain Janeway loses . Admiral Janeway has to save Captain Janeway from her mistakes in her own past , it is how she saves the crew of Voyager .
@@williamwaha3193 that's the Janeway I was referring to
Voyager is so awesome. First time I heard that story, I was really impressed. My jaw almost dropped to the floor. I'm gonna memorize that.
+TheTriforceCrusader well if you liked the comparison also watch Xena Warrior Princess episode Path of Vengeance it also uses the story.
fvillag1 Okay? I don't get how that has any connection to Star Trek. I just liked how they used it in the show, how pertinent it was to the current events in the storyline. I don't follow this "Xena Warrior Princess" so I probably wouldn't get it.
+TheTriforceCrusader in both shows use the scorpion story to represent an evil that would not change its mind even in difficult situations in the case of Star Trek it was the borg, in the Xena show it was Ares the god of war.
fvillag1 Ah, okay.
TheTriforceCrusader I hope you got the story and the moral of it.
this was the star trek i grew up with. Janeway really sold it. thank you.
same voyager to me was my favourite Star Trek never been a fan of Picard or any of the others
"LOL", said the Scorpion. "Lmao."
The scorpion and the fox and the frog and everyone else. There are a million permutations of this story actually.
This is one of my favorite scenes in the show!
Agreed!❤😊
Regardless if it was a frog or a fox, the scorpion's nature will never change.
I was with Chakotay all the way. Even the Q say, never provoke the Borg!
I just love Voyager as a Trekkie fan. Some people are critical, but I loved it, right alongside TNG, and DS9.
It's interesting, maybe even foreboding. Because what Chakotay said came to pass. The Borg did not hold up their end of the bargain and Seven of nine tried to re-establish communication with the Borg and have them all assimilated. But this was also where they freed her from Borg influence.
I am 1/8th Apache. My great-grandmother told me this parable too.
I watched this as a boy and it never left me.
I have heard this fable in many different shows, movies and games over the years. But I think this one is the best
"Orange is the new Black" brought me here.
S02 ep08 two inmates are talking about Kate Mulgrews character, "Red" and they mention The Scorpion and the Frog.
The scorpion asked the fox to help it across the river. And the fox said, "Ring ding ding ding ding da ding da ding!"
When a video is cut off right in the middle of a suspenseful discussion you grab your DVDs and just watch the full thing :D
*laughs in Netflix*
@@mmjahink Nets in Laughflix.
Everything Chakotay said, especially the part that comes directly after this clip, made perfect sense. Frankly Janeway comes across as a nut with the ethics of, well, a scorpion. Hell, maybe the conversation is really about her, not the Borg. She lead Voyager, yet couldn't resist stinging them again and again, despite shared danger.
The one thing that I was surprised was never addressed in this episode was that the doctors cure for Harry was what was used to create a biogenetic weapon to murder Species 8472. As soon as he learned his research was being used to create a weapon of mass destruction he should have recognized it as a violation of his ethics and his oath to do no harm, but not only did he never object, he continued helping modify the nanoprobes into a biological weapon. When I rewatched it recently I noticed how incredibly out of character it was for The Doctor, but I figure the writers just didn't have time to address any potential conflict with all the other plot threads going on in the episode
@@JesseColton Voyager as much as I love it, is guilty of having way too many episodes, even really good ones like Scorpion, where the writer's just routinely dropped the ball. Tuvix being the most famous example of that. Not only was the Doctor out of character, so was Janeway (just like in Tuvix), when she never bothered - in earnest - to reach out to Species 8472. It was one failed hail attempt in the midst of fresh post-battle debris/casualties, getting shot at (not seriously I might add, as weapons that could obliterate Borg cubes with rapid ease barely did anything but briefly interrupt Voyager's systems) and that was it, never tried again to communicate with this new alien race that were enemies of her enemies. It was that, Harry Kim getting injured in the middle of a conflict between two warring sides, Kes saying "the weak will perish" and Janeway was already 100% all-in on siding with the Borg over Species 8472.
@@JesseColton We've seen that Janeway doesn't hesitate to go into the Doctors programming and do a little snip snip when she "has to". I always just assumed they cut that scene for some reason..
Chakotay was right and that is a powerful parable and janeway does come across as a bit manical whatever happened to "boldly go" and so on ? Starfleet picks up and drops prime directives whenever it suits especially time travel which is a rule broken in every branch of Star trek
Janeway's reasoning made sense to me given the info she had at the time. Species 8472 were more powerful than the borg and meant to inflict greater harm (death vs assimilation) via Kes' telepathic mindmeld.
As far as the Doctor's reasoning for helping to create a biological weapon, Species 8472 have no mouths and thus could never sing a tune. That's all the justification the good Doctor needed to break his oath.
I love this fable!!
Ever since I watched this episode, I've never really forgotten that story. A very native American story. For a time I used to study those stories.
"Are you sure that's how the story is meant to be interpreted?"
"Of course. How else could it be?"
"That mutual existence is better than mutual destruction. A wise scorpion would not have stung the fox until _after_ they had safely reached the other bank."
"Awfully grim, isn't it?"
"It's the truth."
This is something that Garak would say. Just like how he interpret the lesson from the story of "the boy who cried wolf" differently.
"It's my nature."
~The Scorpion
I'm glad the video cuts right in the middle of their discussion.
When he says there are millions of Borg cubes it makes you shudder at how powerful the Borg are.
Wisdom is better than money. It preserves the life of him that has it. Scorpion!!!
Voyager was my least favorite of the live-action Trek series. But this scene always stood out to me as one of the best-written and best-acted in the franchise.
I really wish they had done more with Chakotay as a character, not to mention him being Native American...so many opportunities lost.
Best parable ever! Think about it once a month
ITS A FABLE!!!!!!
Funny thing is, even though Chakotay had his scepticism in a variety of scenarios, his heart was so big that he often proved to be the fox here. But who better to warn others than those who have been "stung"?
I loved that episode, great scene
It's an interesting parable. One that holds an interesting & important lesson.
In one show they use a frog in place of a fox. But the story & message are the same.
"It's my nature"
Such a hard choice. Because in the end they were both kind of right.
This aired 20 years ago now. Feeling old lol
I've never forgotten this episode - I must say I very much sided with Chakotay in this. Janeway was unstable, Kate Mulgrew sold it well and you see this aspect of her character several times over the series and several times Chakotay, Seven or Tuvok have to "patrol" her.
There is a fine line between brilliance and insanity. Sometimes you need drones to keep you in line.
Even her copy in Course Oblivion was set in her ways and wouldn't listen to reason.
I've been thinking about this story a great deal lately because I can relate. I was hoping that it would be on You Tube somewhere, and here it is. Thanks so much for uploading it.
This is very good, buf the scorpions I have known wait until they are safely on the other side of the riverbank before stinging! (I have served my purpose)
Thanks for the free ride, time to die!!! Agreed we live in a much more devious world
LOL said the Scorpion, LMAO.
One thing the Cardassians were more advanced than the major 3.
I say to shut up these dumbasses that say that because Jellico was sure of what he was doing meant that he knew he could defeat the Cardassians. The prospect of war with them was destructive as was shown in "Journey's End." Two, unlike Troi's liberal nonsensical remark about how Jellico was unsure of himself, this was a true heart to heart and Chakotay saying he knows Catherine, "You don't know when to stop" has more truth and heart than Troi's nonsense.
Considering the damage that Voyager does to the collective in the final season, I really have to wonder who was the fox and who was the scorpion in this scenario.
Martian Dawn Don't forget that Next Generation, the Borg destroyed 39 Federation ships and killed 11,000 people.
+Austin Boylan, Unimatrix 01, the core of the collective surrounding the Borg Queen, contained trillions of drones. How many billions of them died when future Kathryn Janeway destroyed Unimatrix 01 with Voyager's help?
Damn, thats actually a very clever analogy Martian Dawn! Thumbs up!
TheOdd1sOut made me rewatch this scene.
Janeway was dead wrong in siding with the Borg. I've believed that since I saw this episode when it came out and I still believe it.
In keeping with character I believe Janeway should have just told him to “shut the fucc up I don’t give a shit about your childhood stories”.
Hmmm very interesting. You should see the size of what are known as the Scorpion Crabs.
Is Chakotay still of to meditate?
Isn't it scorpion and the frog.
That's a slightly older version yes
Yes it is, but given Star Trek Voyager is set 400 years into the future. Things passed down throughout time on Earth would be either mis-interpretated or changed up slightly i think. Even stories and parables are subject to change over time i reckon. This would naturally occur for an old story passed down throughout the ages of mankind realistically speaking!
I used this story recently to describe someone who was toxic
The scorpion is just like Hamas
I always heard this story with a frog instead of a fox
One thing I always disliked about Voyager. That is: "Phasers are offline", "Warp engines are offline" "this is offline, that is offline". They never once in 7 years managed to gain any significant tech to help them.
Starfleet IT call center is in India.
@Budget Boost DIY All the Star Trek series have been dubbed and aired in Japan for a long time. There have also been multiple DVD releases in Japan.
You'll never see a scene like this in Alex Kurtzman's fake Star Trek. They'd be screaming at each other, throwing f-bombs, throwing fists, and lecturing each other on the scorpion's preferred pronouns.
If I found myself in that exact situation, I would have sided with Chakotay. We know how the script played out on the T.V. series but, given those circumstances, I would have voted to turn around. What I’m trying to say is, I think the script writers wrote a pretty little fantasy outcome but, real life never works out that way. In real life, Voyager and it’s crew would get assimilated by the Borg.
I think Chakotay was right! Of course, the writers wanted a different ending, but his analysis of the situation was better than hers!
And the thing is, Chakotay was right. The Borg re-neged on the agreement and tried to assimilate Voyager despite their temporary alliance.
Thank you :-)) I love Chakotay so much!
Can you please tell me the title and season of this episode? I want to see it again.
Last episode of season 3 and first episode of season 4. Name: scorpion pt 1&2
Little Star Trek trivia question for ya:
What is the name of the Starfleet ship numbered NCC-1701-D?
Enterprise
RHICfct Good. What was the famous battle in which the Federation fought the Borg for the first time?
Wolf 359
Wow, someone who knows about Star Trek outside the movies xD. Most people who claim they are Star Trek fans have never watched the series like Voyager and Next Gen.
TheTriforceCrusader bullshit, TNG and VOY are the best, and with the DS9 Dominion War, by far the best my friend! ;)
Those things in your hands are called Shakarava. They are a vestigial energy organ.
It's actually the scorpion and the frog. Not fox.
that was a good line but should have been a turtle
Janeway should have partnered with Species 8472 instead. They could have adapted technology from them to utilize against the Borg and make it through their space.
@Gen. JFH At this point in time that reasoning really doesn't fly. Voyager had already been shot at by Species 8472, but were not destroyed. That should've clicked something in Captain Janeway's mind, that a weapon that can obliterate Borg cubes merely temporarily disoriented and interrupted Voyager's systems, maybe this new species is not bent on mindless destruction of everything and everyone - as opposed to the Borg who have already proven themselves to Starfleet as intensely driven, relentless destroyers of everything and everyone.
My god, I like this show so much. Katherine is the only woman I see fit for command. She is fictitious, but anyway.
Beats what's coming up. Janeway was a cool Captain.
im on Chakotay's side ALL THE WAY
This is like Donald Trump and the story of the snake and the woman.
got something like this in RL and it emidiantly reminded me of this story...
few girls who i know had a friend.. he fucke dup by playing them against echouther,
and telling their secrets to about everybody....
and now they think he changed... but i know the truth.. not even a week ago he was doing such a thing again... but no one listens to me... i'm just waiting untill it all falls apart again xD
Janeways hair...
reddit sent me. WWG1WGA
"There was a story I heard as a child, a parable, and I never forgot it." If I heard this story it would've been forgotten within five minutes nevermind.
I didn't know foxes and scorpions could talk? Lol
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Why did they switch it from a frog to a fox? To make it more Native American-y? lol
Reminds me of Russia.
Scorpions can hold their breath underwater for several hours, and in some species up to two days...
Don't ruin a great parable.
+BizarrePower, I am not convinced that it is a great parable, or that it can even be classified as a parable at all. What exactly is the moral lesson that it seeks to illustrate?
Martian Dawn if you have to ask then you will not be able to understand it
Martian Dawn simple. If someone constantly does evil things ("stinging" others with murder, theft, lies, or deception) you should never trust them even if they seem to, or even really do, suddenly have good intentions. Because they will always fall back on those habits (their nature) and betray you.
An example would be if you were screwing a married person. They divorce their partner and then want to marry you. I'll never cheat on you they say....and they may even really believe it themselves at the time. But time goes on and they inevitably fall back on their old habits...
In a nutshell, it's saying people rarely change, and it's foolish to out yourself at risk for them after so much bad behavior.
Obama became the president of the U.S.A. because Jeri Ryan (7 of 9) had an affair with a married man. That man was the senator that had to drop out of his reelection race when the extramarital affair became public, thereby paving the way for Barack Obama to take his Senate seat and ultimately the presidency.
I presently think of Trump as the Scorpion and the bulk of Republicans as the Fox. And I add an additional component to the story of the scorpion promising to protect the fox once across the river.
Brian Johnson how's that stock market/job scene working for ya? Lawls.
Men are the fox, and females are the scorpions. Using men is in their nature. Just like a scorpion to sting the fox.
God your an idiot. You happy that Biden is in now? Or maybe you finally got your head out of your f*cking a$$.
I told this story to my step-daughter when she broke up with her black boyfriend after he stole $200 from her. We can't be mad at him for stealing, it's in his nature...
A good episode of a terrible series.
This story is insidious.
Replace the word scorpion with any race, creed, nation - and you have instant childhood brainwashing.
Insidious, but true.
Political correctness attempts to deny this truth, while at the same time falling prey to it. It can't be beaten. You will always have the typical racist "WASP" male. You will always have the black "thug". You will always have the gay man that acts like a woman (or vice versa).
And they will "sting" you, and they will annoy you, and they will gross you out and repulse you.
And you will ALWAYS have those with rose-colored glasses, that try to make the case for them anyway.
It's their nature.