Addressing this here so I don't keep replying to everybody. I researched Owen heavily as one might imagine and never heard that he was carrying Davey's European belt at the time, but I'm happy to concede that I could be wrong. Although if he was carrying Davey Boy's European belt and Davey's tag team belt as well as his own 2 belts, surely Chaz would have remembered Owen - who travelled very light - lugging around 4 separate belts. It also wouldn't make particular sense for Owen to leave out one Tag Title and the Euro Title - would be more likely to leave out both Tag Titles. During the interview I was also fully aware that Owen was Euro Champ briefly in 1998, but since this story takes place before The Headbangers won the Tag Titles there was no point mentioning it. Let's just chalk this down to a mystery that will never be solved and doesn't actually matter.
@@davidslayer The reason for that maybe, Slaughter awarded him the title because HHH feigned an injury and let Goldust sub for him. Owen beat Goldust on RAW (who had dressed up as HHH) but didn’t actually defeat HHH himself. Slaughter ruled that because Goldust was Helmsley’s proxy the title change was legitimate, which is what Hunter was trying to avoid by having someone else sub for him
You wasn't there, you never even met the guy, what are you like 20 years old when you did this? Were you even alive or old enough to be aware when Owen was wrestling? You're a money mark who pays for interviews, nerds out about wrestling history and desperately wants to be a part of the business without understanding any of it.
Mosh maybe correct as Owen often lugged around all the belts, including Bulldog’s when in transit. Davey Boy, according to Cornette, was quite messed up in 97 and Owen would’ve most likely been carrying around the IC, European and Tag titles (and Slammys). I’m surprised you didn’t ask Mosh about his NWA tag team title run- one of the bright spots of the I’ll fated NWA invasion angle
I researched Owen heavily as one might imagine and never heard that he was carrying Davey's Euro belt at the time, but happy to concede that I could be wrong. Although if he had the Davey Boy's European belt and Davey's tag team belt as well, surely Chaz would have remembered Owen - who travelled very light - lugging around 4 separate championship belts. As for the NWA Tag Titles, it was one of many topics we didn't get to but there can always be a part 2.
Very true about travelling light - although there were instances when he had to travel with a full compliment. Jarrett on Conrad’s podcast talked about how Owen hated the Blue Blazer gimmick the 2nd time around because amongst other things he had to carry around an extra pair of boots. I think it may have been a temporary situation where Owen may have had the belts for 1 or 2 takings and may not have had the other tag belt because that could’ve been left with the ring crew (for whatever reason- Bulldog was not in a good place for a few years)
@@WSI If you do get to a Part 2, can you talk about the Superstars exclusive match the Headbangers had as tag champs, against Cornette and the Rock and Roll Express, where Cornette has to be in the ring 5 minutes with the winning Headbanger should they win (they do, but only because Barry Windham KO'd Mosh with a chair as he was going for a pin, causing a DQ, and Cornette subsequently "pins" Mosh afterward, it's pretty entertaining for what it was really). Whole thing is interesting to me, between the match itself being on Superstars only (at a time when they no longer did exclusive matches, this was only aired there cause of Steve Austin causing the match to get bumped in storyline due to a 10 minute in-ring protest on the previous Raw), and also Mosh getting absolutely WALLOPED by the aforementioned chair from Windham, to the point of being busted open. Would love to know about this match. (can see it here for reference BTW: ruclips.net/video/4l2OO8JniL4/видео.html) Thanks. :)
Owen and Davey Boy were tag champs from September 22, 1996 through May 26, 1997. During that time, Davey Boy was European Champ from February 27, 1997 forward, and Owen had the IC title from April 28 forward. The Headbangers debuted in November of 1996, spent a couple of months as the Flying Nuns and were the Headbangers full time from January 1997 forward. So, Owen was IC champ for a very short period of time, and the Headbangers were full time at that point. Here’s my therory: back then, they were still taping a months’ worth of TV at once, so this may have been before the European title was public, around December or January. Owen may have had it because a) Bulldog wasn’t sober very much at that point and b) Davey beat Owen in the tournament final. He may have been hanging on to the belt to make sure it made it to the title match, but he may not have been champion.
WWF European Championship Belt *did* seem to go missing from TV for a while back in the day didn't it? Mystery Solved. Owen took it. He deserved it anyways. Slammy Award winner & all that.
That’s funny that he said “I’m staying where you’re staying” after he got a ride with them. Jeff Jarrett said Owen stayed with fans on the road and always did anything to save money.
If the tragedy didn't happen, we might hear an Owen shoot interview. We would hear stories about ribbing his family to ribbing his co-workers from the man himself. But hearing an Owen Hart story never gets old, even after 20 years from the day of his tragic death. Owen Hart, a legend in the wresting business and a legend on ribbing.
Right..man imagine. "King of Hearts Podcast with Owen Hart" would've been so awesome. "Well ENOUGH, is ENOUGH, & IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE" "I TRIED TO BE A NICE GUY"
@@xantastic6301 Did Bret have a podcast or did Conrad Thompson ever did a podcast with Bret? I don't think he did but Bret did many shoot interviews from RF Video to Kayfabe Commentaries.
@@kenterminateddq5311 yeah.. he's been on quite a few podcasts.. but none of his own. It would've been awesome to see just one Owen Hart Kayfabe Commentaries shoot interview. 👍 -Have a good day Ken 🤜🤛🤝
Bret did indeed briefly have a podcast - I want to say it was possibly with WrestleZone or Crave or Mandatory or whatever. He quit after a few weeks because he was getting so much abuse for his opinions on stuff. That may have been where there 4/10 Triple H line came from.
@@WSI You are correct sir. Now that you mentioned it, I do remember him having a show on Wrestlezone..I think Eric Bischoff also had a show on Wrestlezone aswell. Sorry for the misinfo. @WSI Love the effort you put into your channel & interviews. Great content.
This is a great example of why I miss wrestling from the 90’s. Even the guys that were the wrestlers understood how cool the belts were. (The European belt doesn’t count.). This is why us “older guys “ love wrestling. It was a blast growing up with this! Owen was awesome!
Oooooooh correcting the mosher. Heat seeking move. We need a baby face mosher comeback in the ring at a con. You might not have to wrestle, he can hit you with a chair after that other fight story
Edit: I just checked and it was the Intercontinental title Owen was carrying because he was the Intercontinental champion and Tag team champion at the same time once. But was never European champion and tag team champion at the same time. That's my Owen research. I don't know about the British Bulldog's title history. But more than likely it was the Intercontinental championship The headbanger's where using to jump up and down the bed that night.
Lol did u listen to the interview mosh said he didn't pick up the European belt he picked up the tag belts so how could he jump up and down on a bed with a title he didn't pick up even if it was ic re read what you commented and what mosh said
It was definitely the IC belt but the time line doesn’t make sense because the headbangers were full time by the time Owen had both belts, Owen was European champion in 98 if I remember correctly for a short time, also the European belt meant something for about a year HHH had it than D lo had and XPAC was the last real champion after that it became a jobber belt than Shane retired it and they brought it.
Yeah it was definitely the IC belt cause the Headbangers won the tag belts in September of 97 so it would've had to have been before that cause I don't think Mosh and Thrash would be acting like 2 kids seeing the belt if they already held it themselves before. As far as them being full time, perhaps Mosh remembers it as them being before they were full time cause he assumes that's why Owen was with them but Owen was notoriously thrifty so he may have just rode with them to share a room with them 3 cause his other riding companions weren't on that trip.
No, only three wrestlers accomplished that. D'lo, Jeff Jarrett and Kurt Angle. They went by the name Eurocontinental champions. But Owen may have held the WWF tag team championship and European championship at the same time, being he won the European title too.
No he had the Intercontinental and the European separately at different times look it up online it shows Owen wearing the European title and the Intercontinental but he had them at different times
I like all of your videos they're really good and I'm going to continue watching all of them in the future but just some very quick constructive criticism. No one cares that you liked the European championship and it's weird that the last 20 seconds is just you guys arguing over something that really doesn't matter at all. Looking forward to the next video!
Owen was the euro champ but it was a short reign in 98 and he didn’t have the tag belt at the time (it was right after Montreal) so he must’ve been lugging it for Davey Boy.
@@FilmThePoliceFTP Were they? Remember, they hadn't even really gotten established yet by when Davey won it. The Raw episode where he did aired March 3rd, and they had only debuted on Raw weeks before on Thursday Raw Thursday. So not sure they'd have been full time just yet, not until after Mania I'd say at least.
You mean 1997. European title wasn't introduced until February of that year, with the official crowning of Bulldog as its' first champion airing in March.
It could have been Owen's European title. Owen won the belt too on January 20, 1998 and lost it on March 16, 1998. So if Mosh's story happened, it would of happened between January and March of that year.
@@drewmccloud9218 It was. It was Before September 97 when The Headbanger's had won them. But I'm 99% sure it was the Intercontinental championship and not the European championship.
I like your vids but I will say it’s very cringey to see you try to “correct” the guy that was actually there, living his life around those championship belts because you compiled a book about Owen. We’ve all extensively researched Owen’s career…that doesn’t mean Owen didn’t have the belt in his luggage for some other reason. Also, I’m sure Chaz would’ve remembered seeing the IC belt and wouldn’t have confused it with the European title. Keep up the good work but don’t be afraid to take a deep breath and slow down every now and then.
Addressing this here so I don't keep replying to everybody. I researched Owen heavily as one might imagine and never heard that he was carrying Davey's European belt at the time, but I'm happy to concede that I could be wrong. Although if he was carrying Davey Boy's European belt and Davey's tag team belt as well as his own 2 belts, surely Chaz would have remembered Owen - who travelled very light - lugging around 4 separate belts. It also wouldn't make particular sense for Owen to leave out one Tag Title and the Euro Title - would be more likely to leave out both Tag Titles.
During the interview I was also fully aware that Owen was Euro Champ briefly in 1998, but since this story takes place before The Headbangers won the Tag Titles there was no point mentioning it.
Let's just chalk this down to a mystery that will never be solved and doesn't actually matter.
Davey Boy and Owen were double champs at the same time, so possibly they may have accidentally switched belts while on the road at one point?
it's pretty confusing James. his wiki says he won it once. then the wiki for the title itself mentions it nowhere..
@@davidslayer The reason for that maybe, Slaughter awarded him the title because HHH feigned an injury and let Goldust sub for him. Owen beat Goldust on RAW (who had dressed up as HHH) but didn’t actually defeat HHH himself.
Slaughter ruled that because Goldust was Helmsley’s proxy the title change was legitimate, which is what Hunter was trying to avoid by having someone else sub for him
@@bonlouis8808 but he wouldnt have been tag champ during that time....chaz is a bluffer
You wasn't there, you never even met the guy, what are you like 20 years old when you did this? Were you even alive or old enough to be aware when Owen was wrestling? You're a money mark who pays for interviews, nerds out about wrestling history and desperately wants to be a part of the business without understanding any of it.
Mosh maybe correct as Owen often lugged around all the belts, including Bulldog’s when in transit. Davey Boy, according to Cornette, was quite messed up in 97 and Owen would’ve most likely been carrying around the IC, European and Tag titles (and Slammys).
I’m surprised you didn’t ask Mosh about his NWA tag team title run- one of the bright spots of the I’ll fated NWA invasion angle
You got it, he was probably looking after it because Davey was a little 'unfocused' at the time.
I'm going to look that up to see if Owen ever had the European title
I researched Owen heavily as one might imagine and never heard that he was carrying Davey's Euro belt at the time, but happy to concede that I could be wrong. Although if he had the Davey Boy's European belt and Davey's tag team belt as well, surely Chaz would have remembered Owen - who travelled very light - lugging around 4 separate championship belts.
As for the NWA Tag Titles, it was one of many topics we didn't get to but there can always be a part 2.
Very true about travelling light - although there were instances when he had to travel with a full compliment. Jarrett on Conrad’s podcast talked about how Owen hated the Blue Blazer gimmick the 2nd time around because amongst other things he had to carry around an extra pair of boots. I think it may have been a temporary situation where Owen may have had the belts for 1 or 2 takings and may not have had the other tag belt because that could’ve been left with the ring crew (for whatever reason- Bulldog was not in a good place for a few years)
@@WSI If you do get to a Part 2, can you talk about the Superstars exclusive match the Headbangers had as tag champs, against Cornette and the Rock and Roll Express, where Cornette has to be in the ring 5 minutes with the winning Headbanger should they win (they do, but only because Barry Windham KO'd Mosh with a chair as he was going for a pin, causing a DQ, and Cornette subsequently "pins" Mosh afterward, it's pretty entertaining for what it was really). Whole thing is interesting to me, between the match itself being on Superstars only (at a time when they no longer did exclusive matches, this was only aired there cause of Steve Austin causing the match to get bumped in storyline due to a 10 minute in-ring protest on the previous Raw), and also Mosh getting absolutely WALLOPED by the aforementioned chair from Windham, to the point of being busted open. Would love to know about this match. (can see it here for reference BTW: ruclips.net/video/4l2OO8JniL4/видео.html) Thanks. :)
Owen and Davey Boy were tag champs from September 22, 1996 through May 26, 1997. During that time, Davey Boy was European Champ from February 27, 1997 forward, and Owen had the IC title from April 28 forward. The Headbangers debuted in November of 1996, spent a couple of months as the Flying Nuns and were the Headbangers full time from January 1997 forward.
So, Owen was IC champ for a very short period of time, and the Headbangers were full time at that point. Here’s my therory: back then, they were still taping a months’ worth of TV at once, so this may have been before the European title was public, around December or January. Owen may have had it because a) Bulldog wasn’t sober very much at that point and b) Davey beat Owen in the tournament final. He may have been hanging on to the belt to make sure it made it to the title match, but he may not have been champion.
This is the correct answer
WWF European Championship Belt *did* seem to go missing from TV for a while back in the day didn't it? Mystery Solved. Owen took it. He deserved it anyways. Slammy Award winner & all that.
That's two time Slammy Award Winner to you lol.
I could listen to Owen stories all day.
That’s funny that he said “I’m staying where you’re staying” after he got a ride with them. Jeff Jarrett said Owen stayed with fans on the road and always did anything to save money.
he wrote a book on owen hart, and didn’t know he ever won the european title (3:54)
I did know, and I know he lost the tag titles way beforehand before winning again in 1999 without any other title
@@WSI (4:02)-(4:03)
@@WSI don’t let them bait you !!
It must have been the ic as owen held both from april 28 97 to may 27 1997.
If the tragedy didn't happen, we might hear an Owen shoot interview. We would hear stories about ribbing his family to ribbing his co-workers from the man himself.
But hearing an Owen Hart story never gets old, even after 20 years from the day of his tragic death.
Owen Hart, a legend in the wresting business and a legend on ribbing.
Right..man imagine. "King of Hearts Podcast with Owen Hart" would've been so awesome.
"Well ENOUGH, is ENOUGH, & IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE"
"I TRIED TO BE A NICE GUY"
@@xantastic6301 Did Bret have a podcast or did Conrad Thompson ever did a podcast with Bret?
I don't think he did but Bret did many shoot interviews from RF Video to Kayfabe Commentaries.
@@kenterminateddq5311 yeah.. he's been on quite a few podcasts.. but none of his own. It would've been awesome to see just one Owen Hart Kayfabe Commentaries shoot interview. 👍
-Have a good day Ken 🤜🤛🤝
Bret did indeed briefly have a podcast - I want to say it was possibly with WrestleZone or Crave or Mandatory or whatever. He quit after a few weeks because he was getting so much abuse for his opinions on stuff. That may have been where there 4/10 Triple H line came from.
@@WSI You are correct sir. Now that you mentioned it, I do remember him having a show on Wrestlezone..I think Eric Bischoff also had a show on Wrestlezone aswell. Sorry for the misinfo.
@WSI Love the effort you put into your channel & interviews. Great content.
Another great underrated tag team
This is a great example of why I miss wrestling from the 90’s. Even the guys that were the wrestlers understood how cool the belts were. (The European belt doesn’t count.). This is why us “older guys “ love wrestling. It was a blast growing up with this! Owen was awesome!
Looks like I just found a Christmas present for me!
“We don’t give a shit about the European belt 😂”
Owen did have the European championship before when he wore the hello and black outfit screaming about not being a nugget. LOL
I don’t remember the hello and black outfit! I just wanted to say yellow 👋
@@RS-cd9cf I meant to say yellow. LOL sorry
Al Snow's European title run was brilliant, as was the feud with Regal😂
Awesome story...😭😆😭😆
Oooooooh correcting the mosher. Heat seeking move. We need a baby face mosher comeback in the ring at a con. You might not have to wrestle, he can hit you with a chair after that other fight story
Owen won European title from gold dust jan 98
Hunterdust. ;)
Owen had the Tag and IC belts at the same time around May of 97. He was only European champ once in 98 and didn't get the Tag strap back until 99.
thats what i was thinking too. he beat hhh at mania 98 for it right?
@@dirtyhall4074 He lost to HHH at Mania 14 but was challenger, as he’d already dropped it back to HHH weeks before.
@@bonlouis8808 ahhh yeah you are right hhh did win that one.
Owen was defo European champ mate- he won it off goldust dressed up a Triple H and lost it back to Triple H a couple of months afterwards
Jan 20 1998 according to wiki
The story about owen holding european and one half of tag belts. When was this? As I can only remember inter
There's photos out there with Owen wearing the European, Tag, NWA titles with his Slammy
Yes I think I've seen that picture in the owen tribute mag from 99
Owen was European champion once. What! I was 8 years old I think but I remember 💓
Owen did hold the European Championship.
Edit: I just checked and it was the Intercontinental title Owen was carrying because he was the Intercontinental champion and Tag team champion at the same time once. But was never European champion and tag team champion at the same time. That's my Owen research. I don't know about the British Bulldog's title history. But more than likely it was the Intercontinental championship The headbanger's where using to jump up and down the bed that night.
Lol did u listen to the interview mosh said he didn't pick up the European belt he picked up the tag belts so how could he jump up and down on a bed with a title he didn't pick up even if it was ic re read what you commented and what mosh said
This guy wrote a book on Owen Hart yet doesn’t know he was European champion in 1998.
That our Owen Hart
It was definitely the IC belt but the time line doesn’t make sense because the headbangers were full time by the time Owen had both belts, Owen was European champion in 98 if I remember correctly for a short time, also the European belt meant something for about a year HHH had it than D lo had and XPAC was the last real champion after that it became a jobber belt than Shane retired it and they brought it.
Yeah it was definitely the IC belt cause the Headbangers won the tag belts in September of 97 so it would've had to have been before that cause I don't think Mosh and Thrash would be acting like 2 kids seeing the belt if they already held it themselves before. As far as them being full time, perhaps Mosh remembers it as them being before they were full time cause he assumes that's why Owen was with them but Owen was notoriously thrifty so he may have just rode with them to share a room with them 3 cause his other riding companions weren't on that trip.
I'm sure I remember Owen Hart with the European Championship.
Shawn dropped the European title to triple H and Owen won the title off triple H
Owen Hart had both the European and the Intercontinental titles
No, only three wrestlers accomplished that. D'lo, Jeff Jarrett and Kurt Angle. They went by the name Eurocontinental champions. But Owen may have held the WWF tag team championship and European championship at the same time, being he won the European title too.
No he had the Intercontinental and the European separately at different times look it up online it shows Owen wearing the European title and the Intercontinental but he had them at different times
I do remember Owen with the European belt..but i guess that's ok the older timeline . History changed...again
He was European champ, he won it against Goldust.
Owen had the European title during his HHH feud run. I dont know if he had the tag also cause he teamed with Jarrett only.
I like all of your videos they're really good and I'm going to continue watching all of them in the future but just some very quick constructive criticism.
No one cares that you liked the European championship and it's weird that the last 20 seconds is just you guys arguing over something that really doesn't matter at all. Looking forward to the next video!
Owen was the euro champ but it was a short reign in 98 and he didn’t have the tag belt at the time (it was right after Montreal) so he must’ve been lugging it for Davey Boy.
Only issue with both timelines were the headbangers were full time by the time Davie won it
@@GodFirstTalkk yeah man good point wtf.
@@FilmThePoliceFTP Were they? Remember, they hadn't even really gotten established yet by when Davey won it. The Raw episode where he did aired March 3rd, and they had only debuted on Raw weeks before on Thursday Raw Thursday. So not sure they'd have been full time just yet, not until after Mania I'd say at least.
Since Owen and Davey were feeding over the belt in 1996 own probably held the belt for Davey since he probably felt safer doing so.
You mean 1997. European title wasn't introduced until February of that year, with the official crowning of Bulldog as its' first champion airing in March.
It always seemed inconsistent to me that a European title would be defended outside of Europe.
He was european champion before
It was definitely European. Owen was both
Nice to see James correct Chaz on the belt detail. I feel too many interviewers would avoid this for fear of offending the interviewee
Owen used to carry davey’s belt for him. He didn’t correct him
as far as my memory goes Owen had a euro run as the black heart but as far as double champ I'd say ic and tag
Dude it was the European title and don’t correct a wrestling legend on wrestling history
why is popeye there
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WWE_European_Champions
I can't look at Owen the same since Greg Valentine said that he only had one testicle.
Just don't think about his testicles and you should be OK.
weak game you have
The problem is you are a ball gazer and Owen must hypnotize you into thinking you are a nugget
It could have been Owen's European title. Owen won the belt too on January 20, 1998 and lost it on March 16, 1998. So if Mosh's story happened, it would of happened between January and March of that year.
The Headbangers won the Tag belts at Badd Blood in 97. Had to have happened before then
@@drewmccloud9218 It was. It was Before September 97 when The Headbanger's had won them. But I'm 99% sure it was the Intercontinental championship and not the European championship.
Owen was European champ
Chaz, don't listen to the youngling....Owen won the European Belt from "Trips-dust" in January 1998.
I like your vids but I will say it’s very cringey to see you try to “correct” the guy that was actually there, living his life around those championship belts because you compiled a book about Owen. We’ve all extensively researched Owen’s career…that doesn’t mean Owen didn’t have the belt in his luggage for some other reason. Also, I’m sure Chaz would’ve remembered seeing the IC belt and wouldn’t have confused it with the European title.
Keep up the good work but don’t be afraid to take a deep breath and slow down every now and then.
Oi wote a boot won Owan Hot
Lmao
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Did you smoke crack when you typed that ?
Ugh...Owen Hart WAS European champion in early 1998. However, he did not hold the European title with any other title at the same time.