X-Men has been the only comic I had collected growing up. Rogue has been my favorite followed by Wolverine. As much as I would love to see an X-Men film, I have zero faith we'd get a good one from Disney/Marvel studios (given their recent track history.)
Iron Man was not a popular character when he got his first movie. He quickly became a popular character because of an interesting premise, good writing, and good acting. The popularity of a character doesn't matter if you are a competent story teller. Sadly, not many of those in Marvel anymore
Sadly, that's what a few comic fans who also loce movies thought. The real reason that IM1 became hot? RDJ. That's what got the women to come in droves. They didn't care about what the move was, RDJ was in it? That's all that mattered. And women tend to make up the vast majority of movie watchers.
I presumed Disney bought Fox specifically for the X-Men because Wolverine is clearly a money-making machine. It's shocked me how much they've neglected them
AND the fantastic 4. This could've been so easy for them. Galactus would absolutely have been a perfect fit as the new big villain and start phase 4 and 5 with loads of x-men and fantastic4. but we got blunt identity politics and d-listers instead.
Watch...when they do introduce 'Wolverine' in the MCU beyond Deadpool 3, they'll go with Laura Kenney, aka X-23 , and claim she is the REAL Wolverine going forward in the MCU
Disney bought those IPs to deformed them into woke propaganda. Have you seen Wolverine, Cyclops and Jean Grey in the bisexual romantic triangle and other lgbtq+ bullshit????
A genuinely great X-Men universe with more grounded stakes, well developed characters with likable personalities, and an unashamedly comic-book aesthetic would be awesome. You could re-do New Mutants and actually make it a horror movie, you could do Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver as the kids of Magneto and create parallels to the Salem Witch Hunts, I mean hell, they could make billions on just a few great X-Force movies alone, (assuming Ryan Reynolds plays Deadpool.) they just need to reboot with Secret War and then jump to X-Men, setting up Dark Phoenix as the “endgame” type event and then do that story over the course of a FEW films like it needs to be done
I was a huge 80's-90's X-Men fan, so I don't have any idea what the comics are up to now, but looking back, the X-Men were always a bit of a tricky concept to mix with Marvel Universe at large. I mean, the X-Men were always kind of in their own corner of Marvel, doing their own thing, fighting their own battles, etc. On its face, the premise of a world that is filled with thunder gods, Spider-Men, and irradiated super beings of every shape, size, and color imaginable, would selectively fear and persecute mutants because of their powers makes little sense. But that's the story, and that's why they work better as being mostly separate from the rest of the heroes, as it makes it easier to forget that sort of stuff. How this will work as part of an integrated MCU is anybody's guess, but maybe if they carefully plan it out, it might work in ways that I can't anticipate. I know there was a series titled Marvels back in the 90's, written by Kurt Busiek and painted by Alex Ross that attempted to explain why mutants were different than all the other supers running around, and it worked well enough for that particular story, so maybe they will adapt that.
So basically the Mutants are on an ethnostate island called Krakoa, Wolverine is in a sex triangle with Jean Grey and Cyclops, there's this mutant girl called Nature Girl who got mind-controlled into killing a store clerk and assaulting police by a child with strong enough mental defenses that Professor X couldn't penetrate them all because a plastic bag from that store killed a turtle, and Mystique shapeshifted a dick to get Destiny pregnant with Nightcrawler (I'm not kidding about any of this btw).
I used to desperate for Disney to get the rights to X-Men and FF five or six years ago. Now I dread them making movies of them. If the writing and storytelling is the same as the last few years then thy'll just fail too.
I rewatched the first decade of MCU and 90s Marvel cartoons last year and was loving it! I had forgotten how much joy Marvel used to bring me before the last few years. Sad really but at least we still have that older media.
As expansive as the MCU became, you could do a cinematic universe just as big with only the X-Men IP. Would be better too, depending on who crafted it of course.
Short answer: no. As iconic and incredible the X-Men are the MCU has just absolutely diminished the impact that phase 1-3 movies did, the MCU used to feel raw and grounded it had stakes and consequences nowadays it all just feels so lifeless and inconsequential, characters feel a husk of their past selves now, only being there to sell merchandise and set up and promote the next Marvel movie, so in conclusion unless the MCU get their act together and get competent writers and directors that genuinely love the source material the MCU will not be revived any time soon.
I have love for the X-Men but Fox really have ran the franchise into the dirt. So much that I used to get excited for every release. Phoenix and that spin off movie killed it for me. The shining lights for the Mutants really are Hugh Jackman as (The Wolverine) and Ryan Reynolds as (Deadpool). Hugh Jackman wanted to hang his claws up six years ago and Ryan Reynolds is getting tired of studio meddling. Reynolds has ruffled so many feathers at Disney that they've started pull him off projects. I don't have hope for future of the X-Men. When major Studios aren't pinned to the crucifix that is their ESG score we might get some more good movies. While I agree the purpose of the ESG, in practice it doesn't work especially in entertainment, like what about spending hundreds of millions on a single movie and then funnelling all that profit to a few is ethical. It's just smoke and mirrors so the elites can feel like they've got a conscience. Talented people are wasted by being put on projects that they don't care for, quotas have to be met. What we get are films that don't make sense at their worse and aren't genuine at the best.
Hey JesterBell, have you ever watched FXs Legion? Its a wild show, it was so different from anything the MCU was putting out and while not perfect (what show ever truly is) I really enjoyed it! I thought it was a super interesting way to do a show about mutants and specifically Legion, and it was a breath of fresh air from the typical MCU movies and shows. It might scratch your X-Men itch 😸
MCU and Superheroes in general have run their course with the casual viewer, main reason is over saturation, and they are now stuck with having to do C and D list characters.
As you said, it's still Disney's MCU, and no matter how good the quality of the story, the signficant artists involved (e.g., Mangold) or the IP, the Disney system will turn it into crap. Disney is where art and artists go to be turned into leftover cold oatmeal.
I wouldn't hope from MCU to do justice with Xmen, i have no desires to go back to Marvel except for Deadpool 3. I'll wait until the mass are saying Marvel is good again, till then I'll enjoy what's quality
The first Fox X-Men movie was pretty good IMO, at least as setup and at least for its time. They didn’t get ALL characters right but everyone loved it when it came out and most of their design decisions made sense. Second movie was honestly better as a movie than any Avengers movie. But things went to shit real quick after lol
the x-men got me into comics in the first place. i was one of those "weird kids", and still am, in many ways, though i'm over 40, now. Wolverine will probably always be my favorite of the Merry Mutants, but my appreciation for Cyclops surged greatly after having played the old X-Men: Legends games on the original xbox, and having read the Whedon/Cassaday run on Astonishing X-Men. in my opinion, the whole narrative of the X-Men is the best manifestation of diversity and inclusion principles. every member of the team has multiple components to their background that "check the right boxes", so to speak, and i think the part that would really be the best element for film (since we *must* have some sort of "message" -- cue eyeroll here) is that this team of individuals is WORKING TOGETHER *TOWARD* A GOAL. but even that part of the total mythos wouldn't be sufficient if there weren't good points of conflict among the group *and* against outside forces. the sociopolitical aspect of the tales works best as a *backdrop* for the threats and challenges the team faces in the day-to-day, i think. honestly, i think the single biggest reason why they *haven't* done anything with the X-Men (apart from the licensing matters) is because it's inherently dangerous to "woke-ism". the counterargument represented by Magneto and the Brotherhood is much too "on the nose" for these times; the unintended response generated by the Barbie movie comes to mind. the subjugation of 'mere humans' at the hands of those who are "superior" presents *way* too much risk right now. woke entertainment is collapsing, clearly, and trying to weave even more of that message into an X-Men story would essentially just finish Marvel off until Disney sold it. and Disney needs a win even more than Marvel does right now.
I used to be a bigger fan during the Claremont/Byrne days. While i did generally like X-Men and X2, now I consider that there is only one legitimate X-Men movie: Logan. The rest are What If? stories with little continuity with each other.
For me, growing up, superheroes fell into two camps - they were DC or they were X-Men. My introduction to superheroes was all Batman/Superman movies/cartoons (along with Justice League) on one side, and 90s X-men/ X-men Evolution cartoons and Fox movies on the other. Other than Toby McGuire's Spiderman trilogy and Wesley Snipe's Blade trilogy, Marvel wasn't on my radar before the MCU. I'd love a X-men movie reboot with the quality of Winter Soldier or Civil War, my favourite MCU movies. But my fear is, as you say, given the MCU's current track record, there just isn't anyone with the talent make these movies at Disney anymore - and worse, Disney doesn't seem to have any interest in getting them back.
If I were a bigger fan... but I didn't get much from Rogue in the X-men films. It would be nice to see her in a stand-alone movie to do more than "be lonely and in love". That's all I remember about her.
I'm not a huge Fantastic Four fan personally, but I really think that a good adaptation with John Krasinski as Reed Richard and Emily Blunt as Sue Storm could totally save Marvel. It would have the star appeal to get people excited and in the theatres and it wouldn't have to compete with past versions of the characters, because, as you noted, they never had a good movie adaptation. Plus Doctor Doom would integrate great into the univers and is powerful enough he could tear down a lot of the issues the MCU has right now.
The only thing that can save them is hitting the pause button for 5-10 years and developing some writers and directors...of course convincing execs to let something sit for more than 5 minutes is basically impossible.
The problem is you can't introduce a world where thousands/millions of people have powers out of nowhere. It has a lot of implications, if there's a mutant school, it will just open, the professors cannot be ex students, the long lasting friennemyship between Xavier and Magneto cannot exist, the Phoenix cannot have been trained by Xavier... They had an amazing opportunity after Tanos saying the power in the snap started causing some mutations to slowly build up the mutant population but it's too late now moreover I'm not confident they have the ability to introduce them smartly. On top of that the problem of an extended universe is that adding sh*t to the lore affects the whole universe they created. For example, who could have the charisma and power to lead the avenger? Scarlet witch (half vilain), vision(MIA), spiderman(kid), hulk(double personality), antman (always treated as b-tier), thor (clown), Strange (doesn't have that leader vibe but he left anyway), falcon (weak, no character development before his show and his costume looks like a joke), captain marvel (the character is built up as a pompous b*tch nobody likes) . Nobody can take the lead like cap or stark. X-men or fantastic 4 could have brought some characters could have easily been adopted and replace beloved IPs by other beloved IPs but it's too late. The only solution to the mess they created for themselves is a reboot and good directors scenarists. There they can start building up the mutant and build up the different avengers as a response to the mutants and build up from there.
Amen! finishing the Multiverse Saga on a strong suit and moving quickly to the mutant saga is the best way to salvage the current state of the franchise.
I think what will fix the MCU is if they go a little darker like what the Fox 'X-men' originally did at the time. I'm not saying bring back the black leather but just at least try to make it cool again.
Agreed! I think they should embrace the mature elements that Claremont utilized in his stories and tell something that isn’t afraid to be a little dark at points!
You hit it on the head. X-men can save it, but not with this STAFF. Clean house bring back old school writers. Have a Rogue solo, Cyclops solo, and a Charles and Magnus film then X-men vs brotherhood of mutants leads into magnetos asteroid planet
The MCU is at this point where they need to wrap everything around it up and save the X-Men for another X-Cinematic Universe. Just start with the Original X-Men for several movies (or just make it a show) and then make a transition from team lineup to lineup, pull some spinoffs for Captain Britain, New Mutants, Wolverine, Excalibur, X-Force, Etc. Make the series a period piece so Magneto can actually work because today he’d be too old.
If Disney keeps their hands off and gets writers, producers, director that know the Lore and Cannon and wants to make true xmen movie....I think they could make Xmaninia come back, but it's Disney so doubt that will happen.
The way Marvel could perfectly nail the X-Men is by focusing on them as a team ensemble. Focusing on their struggle to fight for a world that hates them and maybe actually introduce Mr Sinister this time!
The x-men can save the mcu as long as they do 2 things. 1. Follow source material and don’t make any unnecessary race or gender swap changes. 2. Give certain characters that fans feel like deserve more attention and we’re don’t dirty(cyclops). But this is Disney, we all know they will do something stupid like turn Jean grey black, night crawler Asian, etc
Idk X-Men is woke/diverse by design, they shouldn’t need to change much. You’ve got Storm and Jubilee (depending on story/version) in key roles already, and it’s a story about diversity.
@@VTWS yes they are diverse but given what disney is doing, they will use that as an excuse to make unnecessary changes. Like seriously do u really think Jean grey is gonna be a white red head ? More likely than not they will turn her black.
And I'm Black saying that, the X-Men is already woke and forward thinking from a LONG time ago. There is no need to change anyone's race, gender, etc. Mystique, however can be biracial or Black, as her skin color is secondary (literally) to her core personality.
Comics and Disney did a great job connecting to audiences who feel excluded, a misfit, dont belong, unloved members of society. Disney did a great job of telling stories of the marginalized. But currently their characters are perfectly perfect, they could be the most popular kid in school and I think that's where they lost audiences
Everything Marvel's been doing has had potential, that's the biggest problem for me. They just fuck it up in the execution. I have no doubt that the X-Men CAN do it, since even people who don't know Marvel know of them...but...
I don't know if anyone has brought it up yet, but the reason Marvel has been handicapped reintroducing the X-Men to the MCU is that the Fox actors are still under contract so technically no one else can be cast as those characters on screen until a certain amount of time has passed. So they are kinda stuck doing little teases and fan service instead just recasting and launching a full new team with a movie.
What they did to Rogue was, very honestly, unforgivable. She is also my favorite X-Men. With Gambit coming in a close second. I just loved those two and their dynamic. And they turned her into a whiny teenager and used her power as a stupid plot point. I honestly kept waiting for the moment when she somehow got her iconic set of powers. And they just...never did it. In fact, they just had her get rid of her powers completely and...that was it. No more Rogue. Such a waste.
So you approached these wonderfully made movies like X2 or Days of Future Past like an overgrown child waiting to see his favorite toy get her recognition? You ended up losing out IMO. What is there was pretty f**king awesome, especially in Days of Future Past
You gotta keep ya head up. They are doing too much but I think X-Men is comin thru for us. I was at the perfect age to appreciate X-Men TAS and starting reading their comics around the same time. I’m hoping they bring this back into the forefront of cinema. They better. I got faith tho.
I hate to be a downer, but as much as I'd like for X-Men to right the ship with MCU I think the property is too complex. I mean you talk about the cinematic X-Men being jumbled? The comics are even more confusing for a newcomer. Now, if the MCU were willing to reboot and slowly bring in mutant characters (remember the small original team) we might have something to work with. But if they're gonna jump right into the peak of mid-90s X-Men glory it's gonna be a tall order not just to get the characters and stories somewhat right, but they're gonna be eliminating a lot of characters and stories. And personally, unless there's some mass firings and even public apologies from Disney and Marvel, it's not worth even thinking about
I also had no desire to see Echo the show with an absolute nobody character but it's actually pretty good! Feels like the old Marvel Netflix shows. Well it exceeded my expectations at least. My very very low expectations
x-men won't save the MCU if they do to it what they did to every other super hero in the MCU, or if they do what they've done to starwars with it... and they will, so no, the x-men won't save the MCU... the only thing that will, is firing every director and producer, and hiring people who actually have practical experience and don't try to insert their own personal beliefs into pre-existing things that already have fans. these days, defying expectations would be giving the paying customer what they want.
Disney has shown very little ability or willingness to portray the complex characters and personalities presented in the Xmen comics. They have butchered every other comic character they have tried to adapt, showing not only a failure to understand what makes each character who they are, but intentionally changing the characters to fit whatever messages they want; it has been a circus of character assassinations and changes across the board. To think that they could or would do Xmen justice is a pipe dream based on the loftiest fantasies. Disney will pick unqualified directors and writers who either do not know about the characters or blatantly don't care about the characters and will repeat the same things they've done non-stop since buying Marvel. Their track record speaks for itself and provides absolutely no justification to have any hope for a true Xmen movie.
I need them to bring back Rogue and get her right, which includes Gambit, The only couple in my opinion who can give Jean and Scott a run for their money. I also really wish they'd bring in x force.
It's important to remember that the MCU got its fresh start by adopting B-tier and lower tier characters. Iron Man had to take a lot of risks and Robert Downey Jr. got into controversies before with the drugs. And it worked for them because Iron Man was pretty unique during that time. Except Captain America and the Hulk, the Avengers consisted of team members that weren't as big as the likes of Spidey, X-Men or F4. I feel that the moment Disney partnered with Sony for Spider-Man in 2016 and then fully bought Fox in 2019 (and thus, the F4 and X-Men film licenses), it's where their flaws become more blatant. Because the characters are A-listers, Disney's pride got over his head. MCU Spider-Man feels too dependent on Iron Man (and it took three solo films for Peter to finally be an independent hero except maybe after teaming up with Tobey and Andrew) and the X-Men and Fantastic Four are less likely to show up besides glorified cameos (I am excited for Deadpool 3, but I just hope they actually make it good instead of assuming fans would watch any shit just because it has their favourite A-listers) TL;DR The moment Disney were able to use their A-listers, their hubris grew and they'd miss the point as to why those characters were even popular in the first place.
my general thought process on Marvel and SW is this now: I am really burnt out. I don't really care anymore. I am not excited anymore. I don't expect anything to be good anymore. I am not opposed to Marvel or SW characters though or any new shows in general. What it would need to get me back onboard again: They would have to make a really good show, the reviewers on the internet that I trust would have to like this, then when it comes out on DVD or more general streaming (not Disney+) then I would watch it. I certainly won't get a Disney+ subscription for a fancy trailer and 5 episodes of something that's not terrible. I do see streaming subscriptions like an all-you-can-eat buffet. If you just like one thing on the buffet, it's not worth the price of admission.
As much as I enjoy most of the Fox X Men movies.....it's definitely time to move on and Reboot with a fresh energy....but Disney just keeps bringing back the Fox cast for no reason...... maybe Deadpool 3 will prove us wrong
I like and I enjoyed Thor: Love and Thunder. Black Widow and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Maybe the MCU has gone on for too long and it should have ended with Avengers: Endgame. I hope the new X-Men can save the franchise. I hope the new X-Men are done justice and I can't wait to find out who will play Rogue. She's my favourite X-Men character. Maybe the MCU needs to be taken into a new direction.
I mean everyone is just waiting to see what the MCU will do with X-Men since the Fox merger. It’s popular to talk about the downfall of Marvel movies right now, but if they make smart writing decisions I’m sure they can bounce back.
Can't remember where I heard this but I heard that Marvel does not have the rights until some ungodly date.. either 2025 or 2027, that is why they keep using it as fan bait. They can't do anything else.
I do agree-Fox didn’t do the X-men justice. But do I think they’ll help the MCU? Yes if the writing and storytelling isn’t like it’s been the last couple years but if it is then no.
sadly, i do not think x men will save marvel, the type of writers they hire are ones that don't read the source material or respect the characters. while yes, the fox x men movies didn't do the best job adapting the characters (what they did to rogue was criminal) i still think that the good fox x men film will still be far superior to whatever disney and marvel will make. fox wasn't perfect but when they got it right, they got it right (logan, days of future past rogue cut, and first class)
No. Believe me, they won't save the MCU. The fact that they're reviving the 90's X-Men show purely for nostalgia should tell you how little work they want to do.
My common sense is tingling....in X-citement! You said it, JesterBell! I agree with you that there could be an X-Mania! The last time I remember people being unifyingly stoked for something was Breaking Bad, but that was for an older audience. Imo, if they made Marvel movies in the spirit of X-Men the Animated Series and they made DC movies in the spirit of Geoff Johns' Green Lantern, people would be like Dante from Devil May Cry 3....absoooolutely craaaazy about them! Also, interesting you said Jean was the heart of the team and kindest member. I remember her being the most aspirational Marvel character, at least in the X-Men Evolution characterization, besides Kurt Busiek's Captain America and my second favorite.... You asked favorite character, so not sure if you mean X-Men character or X-Men, so I get to do both! yippee My favorite Marvel characterization is the 1997 Joe Kelly Deadpool, and that "My common sense is tingling" is from that comic run. Also, in that run, he gets tempts Wolverine to fight him by asking Kitty Pryde if she's ever played Street Fighter and gives her a Shoryuken! haha He appeared in Wolverine comics as villain to Wolverine, who is my favorite X-Men, and I read almost all Logan's comics from his 1974 introduction in the Incredible Hulk to 2018 when he returned with the heat claws....and stopped because it was lame. lol And it was either that or somewhere in Chip Zdarksky's Daredevil where I stopped new Marvel comics altogether. Anyways, it's been years, but I thought of Joe Kelly's Deadpool run kinda like if the pity party Alan Moore Joker (who my friend just mentioned me dressing up at Halloween as a kid, and he said it was my best costume!)... you know Batman's "So maybe ordinary people don't always crack. Maybe there isn't any need to crawl under a rock with all the other slimey things when trouble hits...Maybe it was just you, all the time." Deadpool's confronted with that in the beginning of the comic run, so right of the Bat (hehe), we're hopeful for his redemption, but it's a rough journey where he's villain until about the last issue where he becomes an anti-hero and it's set up that he'll, eventually, through trials and tribulations become a hero. He's a sad clown that uses humor to deflect his insecurities, and very prideful where he doesn't want to be like Spider-man or Batman who don't try to be heroes. They're self-sacrificial charitable men who give everything to help others going above and beyond because they have love in their hearts, and as result, makes them heroic, and selfish prideful Deadpool, wants the heroic title without the loving motivation. It's been years for both the comics and this movie, so I could be messing up, but I thought the Nightmare Before Christmas was the closest to the spirit of the character's journey in theatrical movies...the Hulk Vs Wolverine got him right imo, but just one aspect of his personality. Not the redemption which was why he is my favorite. And my favorite modern comic run besides Geoff Johns' Green Lantern and Wally West Flash was Rick Remender's Uncanny X-Force which had both Deadpool and Wolverine which had a redemption theme for both characters, and that is pretty much they're theme over overall! I actually got both their Mafex Uncanny X-Force figures last year. And got the original Mafex Deadpool, and Mezco Deadpools. Oh, I gotta go, but my favorite characterization for Wolverine was his X-Men TAS cynic/loner to faith/family...Glad you thought highly of it! and some of my favorite quotes/moments...oh, first off, my favorite X-Men movie is the Hulk vs Wolverine animated, and, my all time favorite superhero fight was from X2, where Colossus asks to help Logan and he responds "help them." 1) When Wolverine has the conversation with Professor X telling him he fears himself not knowing who he is anymore. 2) the Proteus scene where Wolverine's mind is getting ripped apart "h-hey stopp it! Make it stop" and he starts sobbing From his conversation with Sabretooth: "You always liked pushing people around smaller than you! Well, I'm smaller! Try pushing me! Raaaah" "There's no peace for me!" "Her trail went cold outside of the house...got bit by a dog too." "Hey, Tin Woodsman, I'm sending you back to Oz in pieces" "uh-oh" lol I gotta go! You rock! Thanks again, JesterBell! Hope you have a light-filled X-citing week!
Yeah, I always liked Wade’s sad clown aspect of his personality, it’s what I love about his stories and his character, that he uses humor to hide the Pain! Yeah I like Logan a lot too as the cynic and loner, his pain is understandable since he lost friends and family and as in the case of Rose, he accidentally killed her, plus his rivalry with Sabretooth is one of my favorite rivalries in Marvel, up there with Spider-Man and the Green Goblin,Daredevil and Kingpin, Iron Man and The Mandarin or even Captain America and The Red Skull One of my favorite X-Men characters is that of Havok, controversially, I actually prefer him to Cyclops(I still like Scott as a character and won’t deny his importance to the X-Men but Havok is a great hero and deserves way more credit than just Cyclops’s stand in) in a few ways though primarily due to his struggle of being a younger sibling living up to Scott’s legacy and I love the focus on his time as the team’s field leader, plus his romance with Lorna Dane/Polaris is a highlight since they make a good couple and I also like the irony of the brother of the X-Men’s most iconic and arguably most devout leader falling for the daughter of their greatest enemy! My others are Polaris,Wolverine(as previously mentioned),Storm,Nightcrawler,Colossus,Kitty Pryde and Beast!
@@henrygambles3652 Great picks for rivalries! You just keep making my day, Henry! I didn't see this! I saw your notification from our previous discussion not realizing there was another one. Thank you so much for reading my ramblings. And I really enjoyed your follow up reply regarding Luke Skywalker's growth. Hopefully you can make a better version of him, since I think he lacked depth in ESB, where I think he was more of a character for kids to project themselves into like an action figure. It's been awhile, but you just reminded me! After so many years that Havok was one of the last X-Men where he was a favorite Marvel character at the time. I don't know if it holds up, but I think it was because of Rick Remender's Uncanny Avengers. In general, I try to enjoy whatever I'm currently engaged in at the moment the most to be my favorite, so I have more adaption memories thanks to youtube keeping it fresher in mind with clips from X-Men animated series where in that series, Wolverine was my favorite. And I think Nightcrawler, Jean, and Rogue were my other favorites overall from the cartoons. Villain-wise, I mentioned Deadpool, and then Magneto, and Sabretooth. X-Men might have my favorite Marvel rogues gallery besides Daredevil (my favorites are Bullseye, Elektra, and Typhoid Mary). That's a great observation regarding him falling for Magneto's daughter. Appreciate you appreciating that significance. I didn't remember that aspect of his character regarding living up to his brother's legacy. That's so cool! That has me wanting to read him again. Ok, what was your favorite interpretations for Havok, Polaris, Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Kitty, and Beast? Back when I was a kid, my favorites were Wolverine Storm, Nightcrawler, and Rogue reading through the comics starting from Stan Lee through Claremont, but now, as an adult, I can't remember much except from comics, I think Rick Remender's Uncanny X-Force might actually be my favorite run for Wolverine's characterization. I liked the Claremont/Miller story best but being that Remender's run was longer, it might be my second favorite characterization after X-Men the Animated Series. And then if Deadpool counts, the 1997 Joe Kelly Deadpool redemption saga. Hope you and yours are doing well. This rocked!
@@JohnHenrysaysHi Thank you brother, those picks for Rivalries are some of the most iconic rivalries in Marvel in my book(I only forgot to mention Doom and Richards as well as Magneto and Xavier and Thor and Loki) and no you were not rambling, quite the opposite! I thought you were quite insightful! Luke Skywalker is one of my favorite heroes in all of fiction(easily up there with my other favorite heroes including Superman,Captain America,Thor,Iron Man,Daredevil,Indiana Jones, The Shadow, Connor MacCleod,Conan the Barbarian,Solomon Kane,The Green Lanterns,Batman,Wonder Woman,The Flashes,John Rambo,Axel Foley,Liu Kang,Sub Zero/Kuai Liang, The T800, Optimus Prime,Ironhide,Ratchet,Rodimus Prime,Ash Williams,Alan Grant,Chris Adams,Mace Windu,Spider-Man and the characters I mentioned along with many more, my favorite character though is the Hulk due to the complex and Jungian themes of the character and Banner’s struggles and how the Hulk’s childlike intelligence represents the child that Banner sadly never got to be) and his growth is one of my favorites to witness and My parents introduced me to Star Wars and Indiana Jones as a kid, both series I loved! Yeah I agree Luke was meant to be an Everyman but I think that’s the charm, and addmittedly my characters are a bit more fleshed out but there is meant to be a relatability factor, having certain things be relatable to the audience even if it’s not the same! Also I probably should have said it before but depending on the character the stories can get quite dark tackling themes like War(albeit in a more human way and acknowledging the damage it does), Mutilation/Experimentation(Which gets pretty dark and is meant to show Society can mistreat people they don’t see as human!),Corruption(This is a significant theme as there are villains in this setting who pretend to be heroes, it’s kind of similar to the Boys except A. They’re based mostly on Marvel’s modern Heroes like Carl Manvers and Sam Wilson as Captain America and B. These characters have the actual power to back their words up so piss them off and they could wipe the country itself off the face of the Earth! And this particular theme extends into the future as there is corrupt government that hates Superheroes because of how they represent change and self actualization which eventually gets taken down by the actual heroes) Yeah Havok always appealed to me, and I liked the irony of that romance even if no one else noticed it, as for favorite incarnations of these characters, I’d have to say the Chris Claremont run because Claremont nailed them all perfectly but there was also Avengers Vs X-Men Mini Series(not the 2012 Poop fest, this was in the 80’s) which made me sympathize with Havok and I also liked the initial run of Uncanny Avengers, Remender’s work was flawed but I thought it was good and carried the story it needed! I would say the 90’s animated series for most of them but also For Nightcrawler I’d say in addition to the comics I think Wolverine and the X-Men got him so right as well, there’s an episode where he compliments this kid on being able to breath underwater and saves these mutants from being attacked by Mojo’s forces plus Kurt and Wanda are a couple that makes sense(it was even done in Exiles where they had a daughter) even if I prefer Wanda with Vision! For Kitty Pryde it’s a tie between Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men as outside of the comics I think they captured her perfectly! Genuinely with Wolverine I don’t think there’s a bad adaptation of him out there(besides the Disney modern shlock) I know it might be a blasphemous but I think one of the most underrated versions is the one from the X-Men Origins game, I know the film it’s based on is god awful but Hugh Jackman delivered a great performance there,arguably his best until Logan, and it uses the film’s original R rated script to perfection(minus Barakapool, I wish they replaced it with the army of Adamantium enhanced Sabretooth clones as stupid as it was at least it made sense) Yeah I’d say Sabretooth,Magneto,Mr Sinister and Apocalypse are all easily my favorite X-Men Villains, I know they’re probably the top four but they have their reasons, sometimes I can appreciate unlikable villains who you just root against and can’t sympathize with but I can equally appreciate villains who whilst Definetly in the wrong you feel a level of sympath for like Mr Freeze(he’s actually one of my favorite Batman Villains and I prefer him to the Joker, I think respectfully Joker has been overused, he’s a great villain but he’s not Batman’s only foe) or Dr Doom(I prefer the Doom who wants to make the world a better place even if he’s coming at it from the wrong angle as opposed to evil for the sake of it, at least with Doom!) or Magneto, there’s also a bit of irony with Erik that two Jewish men and later by one Jewish writer made the villain an Holocaust survivor(not too long after WWII) who becomes the very evil he swore to prevent! I think Lee and Kirby were ahead of their time in that regard! X-Men have some of my favorite villains as does Daredevil but of course I have to give credit to Spider-Man,The Fantastic Four,The Hulk and Captain America since they’re also my favorites and arguably have some of Comic’s greatest villains Yeah I love Kelly’s run of Deadpool, I’m probably in the minority of people who love Christopher Priest’s run too, I acknowledge it may not be for everyone but Priest is a top tier writer and I especially love the Thorpool/Deadpool becomes Thor story because of how funny it is! Also I do quite Like Rogue and Gambit though As a kid I had a bit of a crush on Rogue in the animated series!
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I hope the X men do save the Mcu! I really enjoy Phrase 1-3 of MCU! Phrase 4 was a bit different! I really enjoyed She Hulk but the fandom didn't! It was a different style of series! I am looking forward to X-men 97 hopefully its cannon to the Live action! My favorite character is Logan!
It's hard to say if the X-Men could save the MCU, for a large number of reasons, but I think the biggest one is that the Fox movies pretty much killed any interest in the franchise, especially X-Men 3. Back in the 90's and early 2000's, X-Men was everywhere, with video games, cartoons, and merchandise, and chances are any kid who grew up in that era had or knew someone who wore a Wolverine backpack to school. But the moment the third movie came out, it killed everyone's interest in the franchise, and by the time the first Avengers movie came out, X-Men had lost it's cultural relevance completely. It was basically the "Game of Thrones Season 8" of it's time, an installment that put a bad taste in people's mouths that most fans no longer wanted to even be _associated_ with the IP. As for any revival in the current day, well... it's complicated, but knowing how skewed Hollywood's priorities are, especially when it comes to "progressive" ideals like "Diversity" and "Inclusion", they'll definitely botch it, any it will ESPECIALLY be bad for X-Men because it already is one of the most progressive franchises out there along with Star Trek. They wouldn't even understand it in the slightest and instead butcher it to push an out-of-touch "message" that nobody wants to listen to except the pink-haired weirdos on Twitter. To put it simply, I just don't think now is a good time to bring the X-Men back into relevancy, because the kind of franchise it IS (asides from a superhero franchise) makes it a perfect subject for "current day" ideologues to distort it beyond recognition.
idk how you only have 11k subs. your videos are great. whats your best prediction of what horrible decisions they would make if they made an xmen now? Would it be more of the same recent attempts to pander to as large an audience as possible... all but alienating those who would be willing to pay money and see their old heroes on the silver screen?
The female characters would be flat, they’d shy aware from the inner turmoil that makes them work, the plots would be nonsensical, the cgi would be bad, they’re would be too much humor, the civil rights allegory would be badly handled, etc.
Wow, the first YT-er that mentioned how Rogue got her flight powers I've ever seen, because that story was messed up and made Rogue interesting. Back in the 70's I loved Cyclops because i was the only one of my friends that had glasses, so don't sniff at the potential representation for movie goers like you mentioned. I still want Cyclops as a confident, competent militaristic tactician and his eye beams are super dangerous though. His eye beams are always so lame in the films.
I don't think it could save the MCU because for three reasons. 1. There are no projects in the works that can be out in time to pull the MCU out of its stall. 2. Fox has already done a lot with the IP. It's already been rebooted once. So more time would need to pass in order for it to feel fresh. 3. Even if you don't think what Fox did was great, they achieved at least partial success. Thus, it will be hard to replace Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart, and Ian McKellan in the public's imagination.
It doesn’t matter what characters marvel brings in. The writing staff are incompetent! They will ruin any and every character. With that being said, I have high hopes for Deadpool 3! I hope they don’t let me down like they’ve done the last 3 years
Superhero fatigue IS a reality. When a comic story goes too far it goes into ridiculous bullshit, suspension of disbelief just dies. When most comics go into this bullshit zone, people just get tired of these. This is why Batman works perfect, hes just a human and there's little bullshit you can do with him; YOU CAN STILL do bullshit with Batman and people will get sick of his supreme ridiculous plot armor powers. Specially when their reboots already started with bullshit just to prove the new reboot is STRONGER than the previous world.
As someone who is a long time comic book (and manga) reader I've gotten tired of comic book films and don't really care what happens to Marvel or DC. I just want to see Hollywood go back to making normal films instead of a calendar dominated tent poles and franchises
Cyclops, nightcrawler, and rogue. Anyone ever wonder why Cyclops ends with an s. Shouldn't it be Cyclop? Btw "they made a perfect fantastic four movie, it was called the incredibles"
It's going to be crap. The DEI and representation is going to mess things up. Funny thing was traditional XMEN had natural equity. They want to make movies for a nich audience that is"t into comics.
No. The only thing that can, is good storytelling. And one more thing, thatt he comics-industry is not used to. This is doubly important to the X-men: permanent character deaths.
Loved the 90s TV show, grew up on it along with the rest of the Marvel/DC animated TV shows. To answer your question, no I don't think X-men will save the MCU. Some funky rumors coming out of the live action version. For the new animated show, I haven't heard anything on it.
Shame because If Marvel played their cards right they could have whole ass generations of X-Men Teams, Starting with the original First Class and evolving into something Uncanny(get it?) unlike the Avengers who need the Trinity of Iron Man,Captain America and Thor at the center stage of their team, the X-Men has had quite a few leaders and a rotating cast and the books are still as well received! So long as they give each character the respect they deserve, they couldn’t go wrong with it!
What ppl dont realize is the fact that ironman's box office success had a lot to do with marvel comicbook fans... Most likely, xmen fans FIRST before ironman or avengers. When uve used up all the goodwill and patueience of ur hardcore superhero audience (who r xmen fans first)... And drag out D list characters post endgame... They check out. A lot of the xmen fans are 30s and 40s and 50s. Theyre not getting any younger and have grown IMPATIENT and cannot stand another d lister character introduction The ones who only watched the films will also check out because their beloved characters from the movies are gone. Which begs the question to Marvel... Do u invest on a loyal hardcore but impatient audience (waiting for xmen) or do u try to resucitate the MCU movie audience with a new iterations of their avengers fandom. Id bet on a hardcore super excited AND DEPRIVED loyal diehard audience waiting for their superhero of choice that xan guarantee me a guaranteed 200m ROI vs casual mcu movie universe fans who watch every so often and have grown fond more of the actors playing the characters more than the actual characters.
If they had any common sense rather than Kang, they’d be building up Dr Doom as the next Thanos, Doom is way more interesting than Kang and unlike Kang isn’t overtly complicated, Doom could be a threat that requires major heroes like Scarlet Witch or Ant Man to give their lives to stop him whilst opening the door for new heroes to take the reigns!
Are you an X-Men fan? Who’s your favorite character?
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My intro to X-Men was X-Men Evolution. Kingdom Heartless is Typhoid from Elektra.
Nightcrawler.
I mean I have quite a few favorites such as Wolverine,Storm,Havok,Polaris,Beast,Nightcrawler,Colossus and Kitty Pryde!
X-Men has been the only comic I had collected growing up. Rogue has been my favorite followed by Wolverine. As much as I would love to see an X-Men film, I have zero faith we'd get a good one from Disney/Marvel studios (given their recent track history.)
My first issues of X-Men ever were Uncanny#205 +207. Both Wolverine covers and still to this day,the coolest covers I have ever seen. So ,Wolverine.
Iron Man was not a popular character when he got his first movie. He quickly became a popular character because of an interesting premise, good writing, and good acting. The popularity of a character doesn't matter if you are a competent story teller. Sadly, not many of those in Marvel anymore
Sadly, that's what a few comic fans who also loce movies thought. The real reason that IM1 became hot? RDJ. That's what got the women to come in droves. They didn't care about what the move was, RDJ was in it? That's all that mattered.
And women tend to make up the vast majority of movie watchers.
The second Stan Lee died they started destroying his legacy.
Disgraceful. #Marvel
I love your Jester gestures for Rogue putting Carol Danvers out of commission lol
If there’s one thing that we would all like to see it would be for rogue to steal captain marvel’s powers.
Yesss this
I presumed Disney bought Fox specifically for the X-Men because Wolverine is clearly a money-making machine. It's shocked me how much they've neglected them
AND the fantastic 4. This could've been so easy for them. Galactus would absolutely have been a perfect fit as the new big villain and start phase 4 and 5 with loads of x-men and fantastic4. but we got blunt identity politics and d-listers instead.
Watch...when they do introduce 'Wolverine' in the MCU beyond Deadpool 3, they'll go with Laura Kenney, aka X-23 , and claim she is the REAL Wolverine going forward in the MCU
They are stuck on the name “x-men!”
They literally can’t release a movie with “men” in the title.
That’s the day and age we live in.
Disney bought those IPs to deformed them into woke propaganda. Have you seen Wolverine, Cyclops and Jean Grey in the bisexual romantic triangle and other lgbtq+ bullshit????
They’re waiting for the FOX actors’ contracts to expire first so they can DEI the characters.
I just hope that whenever they eventually bring the X-Men into the MCU, they stay away from the Dark Phoenix saga.
I don't, that story needs to be done right. Just not right away. It should be multiple movies, so for the second trilogy.
A genuinely great X-Men universe with more grounded stakes, well developed characters with likable personalities, and an unashamedly comic-book aesthetic would be awesome. You could re-do New Mutants and actually make it a horror movie, you could do Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver as the kids of Magneto and create parallels to the Salem Witch Hunts, I mean hell, they could make billions on just a few great X-Force movies alone, (assuming Ryan Reynolds plays Deadpool.) they just need to reboot with Secret War and then jump to X-Men, setting up Dark Phoenix as the “endgame” type event and then do that story over the course of a FEW films like it needs to be done
I was a huge 80's-90's X-Men fan, so I don't have any idea what the comics are up to now, but looking back, the X-Men were always a bit of a tricky concept to mix with Marvel Universe at large. I mean, the X-Men were always kind of in their own corner of Marvel, doing their own thing, fighting their own battles, etc.
On its face, the premise of a world that is filled with thunder gods, Spider-Men, and irradiated super beings of every shape, size, and color imaginable, would selectively fear and persecute mutants because of their powers makes little sense. But that's the story, and that's why they work better as being mostly separate from the rest of the heroes, as it makes it easier to forget that sort of stuff.
How this will work as part of an integrated MCU is anybody's guess, but maybe if they carefully plan it out, it might work in ways that I can't anticipate. I know there was a series titled Marvels back in the 90's, written by Kurt Busiek and painted by Alex Ross that attempted to explain why mutants were different than all the other supers running around, and it worked well enough for that particular story, so maybe they will adapt that.
So basically the Mutants are on an ethnostate island called Krakoa, Wolverine is in a sex triangle with Jean Grey and Cyclops, there's this mutant girl called Nature Girl who got mind-controlled into killing a store clerk and assaulting police by a child with strong enough mental defenses that Professor X couldn't penetrate them all because a plastic bag from that store killed a turtle, and Mystique shapeshifted a dick to get Destiny pregnant with Nightcrawler (I'm not kidding about any of this btw).
Trust me, you don't want to know the current state of X-Men, or comics in general
X-Men can bring it back, but I don't think Marvel can get out of its own way at this point. $5 say Rouge will be black.
Yep. Gotta DEI that stuff even more.
I used to desperate for Disney to get the rights to X-Men and FF five or six years ago. Now I dread them making movies of them. If the writing and storytelling is the same as the last few years then thy'll just fail too.
Not yet.
I rewatched the first decade of MCU and 90s Marvel cartoons last year and was loving it! I had forgotten how much joy Marvel used to bring me before the last few years. Sad really but at least we still have that older media.
Disney's Gargoyles ❤
@@hermitcard4494 Yes I love that. Rewatched that in the lockdown in 2020
As expansive as the MCU became, you could do a cinematic universe just as big with only the X-Men IP. Would be better too, depending on who crafted it of course.
Short answer: no. As iconic and incredible the X-Men are the MCU has just absolutely diminished the impact that phase 1-3 movies did, the MCU used to feel raw and grounded it had stakes and consequences nowadays it all just feels so lifeless and inconsequential, characters feel a husk of their past selves now, only being there to sell merchandise and set up and promote the next Marvel movie, so in conclusion unless the MCU get their act together and get competent writers and directors that genuinely love the source material the MCU will not be revived any time soon.
You need to get up to date that they are course correcting.
@@achaudhari101Damn bro, do you go around on every channel defending Disney? First with Star Wars and now with Marvel
@@cahe6161 What I said was true. Since the Strikes, Marvel has begun course correcting in terms of the quality side of things.
@@achaudhari101 And you base that on what? Bob Iger statements? So far nothing has been released from this new "post-strike mentality" you speak off
@@cahe6161 Because they're just starting to like with Daredevil and Thunderbolts for example.
I have love for the X-Men but Fox really have ran the franchise into the dirt. So much that I used to get excited for every release. Phoenix and that spin off movie killed it for me. The shining lights for the Mutants really are Hugh Jackman as (The Wolverine) and Ryan Reynolds as (Deadpool). Hugh Jackman wanted to hang his claws up six years ago and Ryan Reynolds is getting tired of studio meddling. Reynolds has ruffled so many feathers at Disney that they've started pull him off projects. I don't have hope for future of the X-Men. When major Studios aren't pinned to the crucifix that is their ESG score we might get some more good movies. While I agree the purpose of the ESG, in practice it doesn't work especially in entertainment, like what about spending hundreds of millions on a single movie and then funnelling all that profit to a few is ethical. It's just smoke and mirrors so the elites can feel like they've got a conscience. Talented people are wasted by being put on projects that they don't care for, quotas have to be met. What we get are films that don't make sense at their worse and aren't genuine at the best.
At this point, after the mean girls movie, I'm pretty sure that Hollywood will ruim every legendary IP from the past
They definitely can, assuming they do a good job with them. But if they do mess it up, then no.
Hey JesterBell, have you ever watched FXs Legion? Its a wild show, it was so different from anything the MCU was putting out and while not perfect (what show ever truly is) I really enjoyed it! I thought it was a super interesting way to do a show about mutants and specifically Legion, and it was a breath of fresh air from the typical MCU movies and shows. It might scratch your X-Men itch 😸
It will be the X-Women.
MCU and Superheroes in general have run their course with the casual viewer, main reason is over saturation, and they are now stuck with having to do C and D list characters.
As you said, it's still Disney's MCU, and no matter how good the quality of the story, the signficant artists involved (e.g., Mangold) or the IP, the Disney system will turn it into crap. Disney is where art and artists go to be turned into leftover cold oatmeal.
I wouldn't hope from MCU to do justice with Xmen, i have no desires to go back to Marvel except for Deadpool 3. I'll wait until the mass are saying Marvel is good again, till then I'll enjoy what's quality
The first Fox X-Men movie was pretty good IMO, at least as setup and at least for its time. They didn’t get ALL characters right but everyone loved it when it came out and most of their design decisions made sense. Second movie was honestly better as a movie than any Avengers movie. But things went to shit real quick after lol
the x-men got me into comics in the first place. i was one of those "weird kids", and still am, in many ways, though i'm over 40, now.
Wolverine will probably always be my favorite of the Merry Mutants, but my appreciation for Cyclops surged greatly after having played the old X-Men: Legends games on the original xbox, and having read the Whedon/Cassaday run on Astonishing X-Men.
in my opinion, the whole narrative of the X-Men is the best manifestation of diversity and inclusion principles. every member of the team has multiple components to their background that "check the right boxes", so to speak, and i think the part that would really be the best element for film (since we *must* have some sort of "message" -- cue eyeroll here) is that this team of individuals is WORKING TOGETHER *TOWARD* A GOAL.
but even that part of the total mythos wouldn't be sufficient if there weren't good points of conflict among the group *and* against outside forces. the sociopolitical aspect of the tales works best as a *backdrop* for the threats and challenges the team faces in the day-to-day, i think.
honestly, i think the single biggest reason why they *haven't* done anything with the X-Men (apart from the licensing matters) is because it's inherently dangerous to "woke-ism". the counterargument represented by Magneto and the Brotherhood is much too "on the nose" for these times; the unintended response generated by the Barbie movie comes to mind. the subjugation of 'mere humans' at the hands of those who are "superior" presents *way* too much risk right now. woke entertainment is collapsing, clearly, and trying to weave even more of that message into an X-Men story would essentially just finish Marvel off until Disney sold it.
and Disney needs a win even more than Marvel does right now.
I used to be a bigger fan during the Claremont/Byrne days. While i did generally like X-Men and X2, now I consider that there is only one legitimate X-Men movie: Logan. The rest are What If? stories with little continuity with each other.
2:41 Agree, also they must remake `Dark phoenix saga´, because it is the best.
You know half of the X-Men are gonna get race swapped so hard lol starting with Rogue, cuz according to Disney red hairs are offensive lol
6:42 YES!!There would be standing ovations across America in theaters if that happened!
For me, growing up, superheroes fell into two camps - they were DC or they were X-Men. My introduction to superheroes was all Batman/Superman movies/cartoons (along with Justice League) on one side, and 90s X-men/ X-men Evolution cartoons and Fox movies on the other. Other than Toby McGuire's Spiderman trilogy and Wesley Snipe's Blade trilogy, Marvel wasn't on my radar before the MCU.
I'd love a X-men movie reboot with the quality of Winter Soldier or Civil War, my favourite MCU movies. But my fear is, as you say, given the MCU's current track record, there just isn't anyone with the talent make these movies at Disney anymore - and worse, Disney doesn't seem to have any interest in getting them back.
Honestly, X-men: First Class is one of my favourite super hero movies, along with The Dark Knight trilogy and first Guardians.
If I were a bigger fan... but I didn't get much from Rogue in the X-men films. It would be nice to see her in a stand-alone movie to do more than "be lonely and in love". That's all I remember about her.
Oh JesterBell, from your lips to Kevin Fiege's ears!
There’s a comic called “Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe”.
Isn’t it funny how in live action, he might be able to save it?
He is Marvel Jesus 😂
I'm not a huge Fantastic Four fan personally, but I really think that a good adaptation with John Krasinski as Reed Richard and Emily Blunt as Sue Storm could totally save Marvel.
It would have the star appeal to get people excited and in the theatres and it wouldn't have to compete with past versions of the characters, because, as you noted, they never had a good movie adaptation.
Plus Doctor Doom would integrate great into the univers and is powerful enough he could tear down a lot of the issues the MCU has right now.
The only thing that can save them is hitting the pause button for 5-10 years and developing some writers and directors...of course convincing execs to let something sit for more than 5 minutes is basically impossible.
The problem is you can't introduce a world where thousands/millions of people have powers out of nowhere.
It has a lot of implications, if there's a mutant school, it will just open, the professors cannot be ex students, the long lasting friennemyship between Xavier and Magneto cannot exist, the Phoenix cannot have been trained by Xavier...
They had an amazing opportunity after Tanos saying the power in the snap started causing some mutations to slowly build up the mutant population but it's too late now moreover I'm not confident they have the ability to introduce them smartly.
On top of that the problem of an extended universe is that adding sh*t to the lore affects the whole universe they created.
For example, who could have the charisma and power to lead the avenger?
Scarlet witch (half vilain), vision(MIA), spiderman(kid), hulk(double personality), antman (always treated as b-tier), thor (clown), Strange (doesn't have that leader vibe but he left anyway), falcon (weak, no character development before his show and his costume looks like a joke), captain marvel (the character is built up as a pompous b*tch nobody likes) .
Nobody can take the lead like cap or stark.
X-men or fantastic 4 could have brought some characters could have easily been adopted and replace beloved IPs by other beloved IPs but it's too late.
The only solution to the mess they created for themselves is a reboot and good directors scenarists.
There they can start building up the mutant and build up the different avengers as a response to the mutants and build up from there.
Lmao if they have captain marvel get killed the internet feminists will scream bloody murder....but that would be AMAZING promotion
Amen! finishing the Multiverse Saga on a strong suit and moving quickly to the mutant saga is the best way to salvage the current state of the franchise.
I think what will fix the MCU is if they go a little darker like what the Fox 'X-men' originally did at the time. I'm not saying bring back the black leather but just at least try to make it cool again.
Agreed! I think they should embrace the mature elements that Claremont utilized in his stories and tell something that isn’t afraid to be a little dark at points!
You hit it on the head. X-men can save it, but not with this STAFF. Clean house bring back old school writers. Have a Rogue solo, Cyclops solo, and a Charles and Magnus film then X-men vs brotherhood of mutants leads into magnetos asteroid planet
Great video, JB...👍
No. The answer is no. It's too far gone
The MCU is at this point where they need to wrap everything around it up and save the X-Men for another X-Cinematic Universe. Just start with the Original X-Men for several movies (or just make it a show) and then make a transition from team lineup to lineup, pull some spinoffs for Captain Britain, New Mutants, Wolverine, Excalibur, X-Force, Etc. Make the series a period piece so Magneto can actually work because today he’d be too old.
If Disney keeps their hands off and gets writers, producers, director that know the Lore and Cannon and wants to make true xmen movie....I think they could make Xmaninia come back, but it's Disney so doubt that will happen.
The way Marvel could perfectly nail the X-Men is by focusing on them as a team ensemble. Focusing on their struggle to fight for a world that hates them and maybe actually introduce Mr Sinister this time!
Short answer? No. Long answer? Nope.
Cyclops was my boy.
They are going to ruin the X-Men just like all the other marvel superheroes and villains
I’m dying on the hill that Rogue should have been the villian of the Marvels
3:40 The problem was that the best part went down the toilet twice and it basically, sunk the franchise.
The x-men can save the mcu as long as they do 2 things. 1. Follow source material and don’t make any unnecessary race or gender swap changes. 2. Give certain characters that fans feel like deserve more attention and we’re don’t dirty(cyclops). But this is Disney, we all know they will do something stupid like turn Jean grey black, night crawler Asian, etc
Idk X-Men is woke/diverse by design, they shouldn’t need to change much. You’ve got Storm and Jubilee (depending on story/version) in key roles already, and it’s a story about diversity.
@@VTWS yes they are diverse but given what disney is doing, they will use that as an excuse to make unnecessary changes. Like seriously do u really think Jean grey is gonna be a white red head ? More likely than not they will turn her black.
@@hungryalmighty7156ironically, there's a Black mutants comic and it's really good.
@@hungryalmighty7156like if all the X-Men were Black. But yeah, changing this is dumb.
And I'm Black saying that, the X-Men is already woke and forward thinking from a LONG time ago. There is no need to change anyone's race, gender, etc. Mystique, however can be biracial or Black, as her skin color is secondary (literally) to her core personality.
Wolverine is my favorite. Anything Disney / Marvel does is suspect, my suggestion is go to your local comic store and buy some old X-Men comics.
Comics and Disney did a great job connecting to audiences who feel excluded, a misfit, dont belong, unloved members of society.
Disney did a great job of telling stories of the marginalized.
But currently their characters are perfectly perfect, they could be the most popular kid in school and I think that's where they lost audiences
Disney will ruin the X-Men just like they have with the rest of the MCU
Everything Marvel's been doing has had potential, that's the biggest problem for me. They just fuck it up in the execution. I have no doubt that the X-Men CAN do it, since even people who don't know Marvel know of them...but...
I don't know if anyone has brought it up yet, but the reason Marvel has been handicapped reintroducing the X-Men to the MCU is that the Fox actors are still under contract so technically no one else can be cast as those characters on screen until a certain amount of time has passed. So they are kinda stuck doing little teases and fan service instead just recasting and launching a full new team with a movie.
What they did to Rogue was, very honestly, unforgivable. She is also my favorite X-Men. With Gambit coming in a close second. I just loved those two and their dynamic.
And they turned her into a whiny teenager and used her power as a stupid plot point. I honestly kept waiting for the moment when she somehow got her iconic set of powers. And they just...never did it. In fact, they just had her get rid of her powers completely and...that was it. No more Rogue. Such a waste.
So you approached these wonderfully made movies like X2 or Days of Future Past like an overgrown child waiting to see his favorite toy get her recognition? You ended up losing out IMO. What is there was pretty f**king awesome, especially in Days of Future Past
You gotta keep ya head up. They are doing too much but I think X-Men is comin thru for us. I was at the perfect age to appreciate X-Men TAS and starting reading their comics around the same time. I’m hoping they bring this back into the forefront of cinema. They better. I got faith tho.
short answer: not likely.
I hate to be a downer, but as much as I'd like for X-Men to right the ship with MCU I think the property is too complex. I mean you talk about the cinematic X-Men being jumbled? The comics are even more confusing for a newcomer. Now, if the MCU were willing to reboot and slowly bring in mutant characters (remember the small original team) we might have something to work with. But if they're gonna jump right into the peak of mid-90s X-Men glory it's gonna be a tall order not just to get the characters and stories somewhat right, but they're gonna be eliminating a lot of characters and stories. And personally, unless there's some mass firings and even public apologies from Disney and Marvel, it's not worth even thinking about
I also had no desire to see Echo the show with an absolute nobody character but it's actually pretty good! Feels like the old Marvel Netflix shows. Well it exceeded my expectations at least. My very very low expectations
x-men won't save the MCU if they do to it what they did to every other super hero in the MCU, or if they do what they've done to starwars with it... and they will, so no, the x-men won't save the MCU... the only thing that will, is firing every director and producer, and hiring people who actually have practical experience and don't try to insert their own personal beliefs into pre-existing things that already have fans.
these days, defying expectations would be giving the paying customer what they want.
Disney has shown very little ability or willingness to portray the complex characters and personalities presented in the Xmen comics. They have butchered every other comic character they have tried to adapt, showing not only a failure to understand what makes each character who they are, but intentionally changing the characters to fit whatever messages they want; it has been a circus of character assassinations and changes across the board. To think that they could or would do Xmen justice is a pipe dream based on the loftiest fantasies. Disney will pick unqualified directors and writers who either do not know about the characters or blatantly don't care about the characters and will repeat the same things they've done non-stop since buying Marvel. Their track record speaks for itself and provides absolutely no justification to have any hope for a true Xmen movie.
I need them to bring back Rogue and get her right, which includes Gambit, The only couple in my opinion who can give Jean and Scott a run for their money.
I also really wish they'd bring in x force.
It's important to remember that the MCU got its fresh start by adopting B-tier and lower tier characters. Iron Man had to take a lot of risks and Robert Downey Jr. got into controversies before with the drugs. And it worked for them because Iron Man was pretty unique during that time. Except Captain America and the Hulk, the Avengers consisted of team members that weren't as big as the likes of Spidey, X-Men or F4.
I feel that the moment Disney partnered with Sony for Spider-Man in 2016 and then fully bought Fox in 2019 (and thus, the F4 and X-Men film licenses), it's where their flaws become more blatant. Because the characters are A-listers, Disney's pride got over his head.
MCU Spider-Man feels too dependent on Iron Man (and it took three solo films for Peter to finally be an independent hero except maybe after teaming up with Tobey and Andrew) and the X-Men and Fantastic Four are less likely to show up besides glorified cameos (I am excited for Deadpool 3, but I just hope they actually make it good instead of assuming fans would watch any shit just because it has their favourite A-listers)
TL;DR The moment Disney were able to use their A-listers, their hubris grew and they'd miss the point as to why those characters were even popular in the first place.
my general thought process on Marvel and SW is this now: I am really burnt out. I don't really care anymore. I am not excited anymore. I don't expect anything to be good anymore. I am not opposed to Marvel or SW characters though or any new shows in general. What it would need to get me back onboard again: They would have to make a really good show, the reviewers on the internet that I trust would have to like this, then when it comes out on DVD or more general streaming (not Disney+) then I would watch it. I certainly won't get a Disney+ subscription for a fancy trailer and 5 episodes of something that's not terrible. I do see streaming subscriptions like an all-you-can-eat buffet. If you just like one thing on the buffet, it's not worth the price of admission.
deadpool would probably make 650 million usd or more but I don't think any other show/movie would have the same success
As much as I enjoy most of the Fox X Men movies.....it's definitely time to move on and Reboot with a fresh energy....but Disney just keeps bringing back the Fox cast for no reason...... maybe Deadpool 3 will prove us wrong
I like and I enjoyed Thor: Love and Thunder. Black Widow and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Maybe the MCU has gone on for too long and it should have ended with Avengers: Endgame. I hope the new X-Men can save the franchise. I hope the new X-Men are done justice and I can't wait to find out who will play Rogue. She's my favourite X-Men character. Maybe the MCU needs to be taken into a new direction.
I mean everyone is just waiting to see what the MCU will do with X-Men since the Fox merger. It’s popular to talk about the downfall of Marvel movies right now, but if they make smart writing decisions I’m sure they can bounce back.
Can't remember where I heard this but I heard that Marvel does not have the rights until some ungodly date.. either 2025 or 2027, that is why they keep using it as fan bait. They can't do anything else.
I do agree-Fox didn’t do the X-men justice. But do I think they’ll help the MCU? Yes if the writing and storytelling isn’t like it’s been the last couple years but if it is then no.
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Could they? Yes. Will they? No.
sadly, i do not think x men will save marvel, the type of writers they hire are ones that don't read the source material or respect the characters.
while yes, the fox x men movies didn't do the best job adapting the characters (what they did to rogue was criminal) i still think that the good fox x men film will still be far superior to whatever disney and marvel will make. fox wasn't perfect but when they got it right, they got it right (logan, days of future past rogue cut, and first class)
No. Believe me, they won't save the MCU. The fact that they're reviving the 90's X-Men show purely for nostalgia should tell you how little work they want to do.
I think they should try with animation in the style of Arcane
I have no faith in Disney doing the Xmen justice.
I agree 💯 %.
The studio would have to do a big course correction for the X Men to work.
My common sense is tingling....in X-citement! You said it, JesterBell! I agree with you that there could be an X-Mania! The last time I remember people being unifyingly stoked for something was Breaking Bad, but that was for an older audience. Imo, if they made Marvel movies in the spirit of X-Men the Animated Series and they made DC movies in the spirit of Geoff Johns' Green Lantern, people would be like Dante from Devil May Cry 3....absoooolutely craaaazy about them!
Also, interesting you said Jean was the heart of the team and kindest member. I remember her being the most aspirational Marvel character, at least in the X-Men Evolution characterization, besides Kurt Busiek's Captain America and my second favorite....
You asked favorite character, so not sure if you mean X-Men character or X-Men, so I get to do both! yippee
My favorite Marvel characterization is the 1997 Joe Kelly Deadpool, and that "My common sense is tingling" is from that comic run. Also, in that run, he gets tempts Wolverine to fight him by asking Kitty Pryde if she's ever played Street Fighter and gives her a Shoryuken! haha
He appeared in Wolverine comics as villain to Wolverine, who is my favorite X-Men, and I read almost all Logan's comics from his 1974 introduction in the Incredible Hulk to 2018 when he returned with the heat claws....and stopped because it was lame. lol And it was either that or somewhere in Chip Zdarksky's Daredevil where I stopped new Marvel comics altogether.
Anyways, it's been years, but I thought of Joe Kelly's Deadpool run kinda like if the pity party Alan Moore Joker (who my friend just mentioned me dressing up at Halloween as a kid, and he said it was my best costume!)...
you know Batman's "So maybe ordinary people don't always crack. Maybe there isn't any need to crawl under a rock with all the other slimey things when trouble hits...Maybe it was just you, all the time."
Deadpool's confronted with that in the beginning of the comic run, so right of the Bat (hehe), we're hopeful for his redemption, but it's a rough journey where he's villain until about the last issue where he becomes an anti-hero and it's set up that he'll, eventually, through trials and tribulations become a hero.
He's a sad clown that uses humor to deflect his insecurities, and very prideful where he doesn't want to be like Spider-man or Batman who don't try to be heroes. They're self-sacrificial charitable men who give everything to help others going above and beyond because they have love in their hearts, and as result, makes them heroic, and selfish prideful Deadpool, wants the heroic title without the loving motivation.
It's been years for both the comics and this movie, so I could be messing up, but I thought the Nightmare Before Christmas was the closest to the spirit of the character's journey in theatrical movies...the Hulk Vs Wolverine got him right imo, but just one aspect of his personality. Not the redemption which was why he is my favorite.
And my favorite modern comic run besides Geoff Johns' Green Lantern and Wally West Flash was Rick Remender's Uncanny X-Force which had both Deadpool and Wolverine which had a redemption theme for both characters, and that is pretty much they're theme over overall!
I actually got both their Mafex Uncanny X-Force figures last year. And got the original Mafex Deadpool, and Mezco Deadpools.
Oh, I gotta go, but my favorite characterization for Wolverine was his X-Men TAS cynic/loner to faith/family...Glad you thought highly of it!
and some of my favorite quotes/moments...oh, first off, my favorite X-Men movie is the Hulk vs Wolverine animated, and, my all time favorite superhero fight was from X2, where Colossus asks to help Logan and he responds "help them."
1) When Wolverine has the conversation with Professor X telling him he fears himself not knowing who he is anymore.
2) the Proteus scene where Wolverine's mind is getting ripped apart "h-hey stopp it! Make it stop" and he starts sobbing
From his conversation with Sabretooth: "You always liked pushing people around smaller than you! Well, I'm smaller! Try pushing me! Raaaah"
"There's no peace for me!"
"Her trail went cold outside of the house...got bit by a dog too."
"Hey, Tin Woodsman, I'm sending you back to Oz in pieces"
"uh-oh" lol I gotta go! You rock! Thanks again, JesterBell! Hope you have a light-filled X-citing week!
Yeah, I always liked Wade’s sad clown aspect of his personality, it’s what I love about his stories and his character, that he uses humor to hide the Pain!
Yeah I like Logan a lot too as the cynic and loner, his pain is understandable since he lost friends and family and as in the case of Rose, he accidentally killed her, plus his rivalry with Sabretooth is one of my favorite rivalries in Marvel, up there with Spider-Man and the Green Goblin,Daredevil and Kingpin, Iron Man and The Mandarin or even Captain America and The Red Skull
One of my favorite X-Men characters is that of Havok, controversially, I actually prefer him to Cyclops(I still like Scott as a character and won’t deny his importance to the X-Men but Havok is a great hero and deserves way more credit than just Cyclops’s stand in) in a few ways though primarily due to his struggle of being a younger sibling living up to Scott’s legacy and I love the focus on his time as the team’s field leader, plus his romance with Lorna Dane/Polaris is a highlight since they make a good couple and I also like the irony of the brother of the X-Men’s most iconic and arguably most devout leader falling for the daughter of their greatest enemy! My others are Polaris,Wolverine(as previously mentioned),Storm,Nightcrawler,Colossus,Kitty Pryde and Beast!
@@henrygambles3652 Great picks for rivalries! You just keep making my day, Henry! I didn't see this! I saw your notification from our previous discussion not realizing there was another one. Thank you so much for reading my ramblings. And I really enjoyed your follow up reply regarding Luke Skywalker's growth. Hopefully you can make a better version of him, since I think he lacked depth in ESB, where I think he was more of a character for kids to project themselves into like an action figure.
It's been awhile, but you just reminded me! After so many years that Havok was one of the last X-Men where he was a favorite Marvel character at the time. I don't know if it holds up, but I think it was because of Rick Remender's Uncanny Avengers. In general, I try to enjoy whatever I'm currently engaged in at the moment the most to be my favorite, so I have more adaption memories thanks to youtube keeping it fresher in mind with clips from X-Men animated series where in that series, Wolverine was my favorite. And I think Nightcrawler, Jean, and Rogue were my other favorites overall from the cartoons.
Villain-wise, I mentioned Deadpool, and then Magneto, and Sabretooth.
X-Men might have my favorite Marvel rogues gallery besides Daredevil (my favorites are Bullseye, Elektra, and Typhoid Mary).
That's a great observation regarding him falling for Magneto's daughter. Appreciate you appreciating that significance. I didn't remember that aspect of his character regarding living up to his brother's legacy. That's so cool! That has me wanting to read him again.
Ok, what was your favorite interpretations for Havok, Polaris, Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Kitty, and Beast?
Back when I was a kid, my favorites were Wolverine Storm, Nightcrawler, and Rogue reading through the comics starting from Stan Lee through Claremont, but now, as an adult, I can't remember much except from comics, I think
Rick Remender's Uncanny X-Force might actually be my favorite run for Wolverine's characterization. I liked the Claremont/Miller story best but being that Remender's run was longer, it might be my second favorite characterization after X-Men the Animated Series.
And then if Deadpool counts, the 1997 Joe Kelly Deadpool redemption saga.
Hope you and yours are doing well. This rocked!
@@JohnHenrysaysHi Thank you brother, those picks for Rivalries are some of the most iconic rivalries in Marvel in my book(I only forgot to mention Doom and Richards as well as Magneto and Xavier and Thor and Loki) and no you were not rambling, quite the opposite! I thought you were quite insightful!
Luke Skywalker is one of my favorite heroes in all of fiction(easily up there with my other favorite heroes including Superman,Captain America,Thor,Iron Man,Daredevil,Indiana Jones, The Shadow, Connor MacCleod,Conan the Barbarian,Solomon Kane,The Green Lanterns,Batman,Wonder Woman,The Flashes,John Rambo,Axel Foley,Liu Kang,Sub Zero/Kuai Liang, The T800, Optimus Prime,Ironhide,Ratchet,Rodimus Prime,Ash Williams,Alan Grant,Chris Adams,Mace Windu,Spider-Man and the characters I mentioned along with many more, my favorite character though is the Hulk due to the complex and Jungian themes of the character and Banner’s struggles and how the Hulk’s childlike intelligence represents the child that Banner sadly never got to be) and his growth is one of my favorites to witness and My parents introduced me to Star Wars and Indiana Jones as a kid, both series I loved! Yeah I agree Luke was meant to be an Everyman but I think that’s the charm, and addmittedly my characters are a bit more fleshed out but there is meant to be a relatability factor, having certain things be relatable to the audience even if it’s not the same! Also I probably should have said it before but depending on the character the stories can get quite dark tackling themes like War(albeit in a more human way and acknowledging the damage it does), Mutilation/Experimentation(Which gets pretty dark and is meant to show Society can mistreat people they don’t see as human!),Corruption(This is a significant theme as there are villains in this setting who pretend to be heroes, it’s kind of similar to the Boys except A. They’re based mostly on Marvel’s modern Heroes like Carl Manvers and Sam Wilson as Captain America and B. These characters have the actual power to back their words up so piss them off and they could wipe the country itself off the face of the Earth! And this particular theme extends into the future as there is corrupt government that hates Superheroes because of how they represent change and self actualization which eventually gets taken down by the actual heroes)
Yeah Havok always appealed to me, and I liked the irony of that romance even if no one else noticed it, as for favorite incarnations of these characters, I’d have to say the Chris Claremont run because Claremont nailed them all perfectly but there was also Avengers Vs X-Men Mini Series(not the 2012 Poop fest, this was in the 80’s) which made me sympathize with Havok and I also liked the initial run of Uncanny Avengers, Remender’s work was flawed but I thought it was good and carried the story it needed! I would say the 90’s animated series for most of them but also For Nightcrawler I’d say in addition to the comics I think Wolverine and the X-Men got him so right as well, there’s an episode where he compliments this kid on being able to breath underwater and saves these mutants from being attacked by Mojo’s forces plus Kurt and Wanda are a couple that makes sense(it was even done in Exiles where they had a daughter) even if I prefer Wanda with Vision! For Kitty Pryde it’s a tie between Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men as outside of the comics I think they captured her perfectly! Genuinely with Wolverine I don’t think there’s a bad adaptation of him out there(besides the Disney modern shlock) I know it might be a blasphemous but I think one of the most underrated versions is the one from the X-Men Origins game, I know the film it’s based on is god awful but Hugh Jackman delivered a great performance there,arguably his best until Logan, and it uses the film’s original R rated script to perfection(minus Barakapool, I wish they replaced it with the army of Adamantium enhanced Sabretooth clones as stupid as it was at least it made sense)
Yeah I’d say Sabretooth,Magneto,Mr Sinister and Apocalypse are all easily my favorite X-Men Villains, I know they’re probably the top four but they have their reasons, sometimes I can appreciate unlikable villains who you just root against and can’t sympathize with but I can equally appreciate villains who whilst Definetly in the wrong you feel a level of sympath for like Mr Freeze(he’s actually one of my favorite Batman Villains and I prefer him to the Joker, I think respectfully Joker has been overused, he’s a great villain but he’s not Batman’s only foe) or Dr Doom(I prefer the Doom who wants to make the world a better place even if he’s coming at it from the wrong angle as opposed to evil for the sake of it, at least with Doom!) or Magneto, there’s also a bit of irony with Erik that two Jewish men and later by one Jewish writer made the villain an Holocaust survivor(not too long after WWII) who becomes the very evil he swore to prevent! I think Lee and Kirby were ahead of their time in that regard! X-Men have some of my favorite villains as does Daredevil but of course I have to give credit to Spider-Man,The Fantastic Four,The Hulk and Captain America since they’re also my favorites and arguably have some of
Comic’s greatest villains
Yeah I love Kelly’s run of Deadpool, I’m probably in the minority of people who love Christopher Priest’s run too, I acknowledge it may not be for everyone but Priest is a top tier writer and I especially love the Thorpool/Deadpool becomes Thor story because of how funny it is! Also I do quite Like Rogue and Gambit though As a kid I had a bit of a crush on Rogue in the animated series!
@@henrygambles3652 Thank you for your reply. I really appreciate your time. I read both your replies and tried responding twice to you but my comments weren't working. Hope you and yours have a great weekend!
@@JohnHenrysaysHi Ah Thank you Mate much appreciated and oh thats Odd that it wouldn’t you let! Thank you Mate, I went with my Aunt to the cinema and am excited to be turning 23 Friday, I hope you and yours have a Great weekend too!
We can only hope.
I hope the X men do save the Mcu! I really enjoy Phrase 1-3 of MCU! Phrase 4 was a bit different! I really enjoyed She Hulk but the fandom didn't! It was a different style of series! I am looking forward to X-men 97 hopefully its cannon to the Live action! My favorite character is Logan!
I have ZERO confidence in the leadership at Disney. You thought Fox was hit or miss. Just wait for what Disney is about to do.
It's hard to say if the X-Men could save the MCU, for a large number of reasons, but I think the biggest one is that the Fox movies pretty much killed any interest in the franchise, especially X-Men 3.
Back in the 90's and early 2000's, X-Men was everywhere, with video games, cartoons, and merchandise, and chances are any kid who grew up in that era had or knew someone who wore a Wolverine backpack to school. But the moment the third movie came out, it killed everyone's interest in the franchise, and by the time the first Avengers movie came out, X-Men had lost it's cultural relevance completely. It was basically the "Game of Thrones Season 8" of it's time, an installment that put a bad taste in people's mouths that most fans no longer wanted to even be _associated_ with the IP.
As for any revival in the current day, well... it's complicated, but knowing how skewed Hollywood's priorities are, especially when it comes to "progressive" ideals like "Diversity" and "Inclusion", they'll definitely botch it, any it will ESPECIALLY be bad for X-Men because it already is one of the most progressive franchises out there along with Star Trek. They wouldn't even understand it in the slightest and instead butcher it to push an out-of-touch "message" that nobody wants to listen to except the pink-haired weirdos on Twitter.
To put it simply, I just don't think now is a good time to bring the X-Men back into relevancy, because the kind of franchise it IS (asides from a superhero franchise) makes it a perfect subject for "current day" ideologues to distort it beyond recognition.
idk how you only have 11k subs. your videos are great. whats your best prediction of what horrible decisions they would make if they made an xmen now? Would it be more of the same recent attempts to pander to as large an audience as possible... all but alienating those who would be willing to pay money and see their old heroes on the silver screen?
The female characters would be flat, they’d shy aware from the inner turmoil that makes them work, the plots would be nonsensical, the cgi would be bad, they’re would be too much humor, the civil rights allegory would be badly handled, etc.
Beast is my favorite X-man. I think the MCU will drag down the X-Men.
Wow, the first YT-er that mentioned how Rogue got her flight powers I've ever seen, because that story was messed up and made Rogue interesting.
Back in the 70's I loved Cyclops because i was the only one of my friends that had glasses, so don't sniff at the potential representation for movie goers like you mentioned.
I still want Cyclops as a confident, competent militaristic tactician and his eye beams are super dangerous though. His eye beams are always so lame in the films.
I don't think it could save the MCU because for three reasons. 1. There are no projects in the works that can be out in time to pull the MCU out of its stall. 2. Fox has already done a lot with the IP. It's already been rebooted once. So more time would need to pass in order for it to feel fresh. 3. Even if you don't think what Fox did was great, they achieved at least partial success. Thus, it will be hard to replace Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart, and Ian McKellan in the public's imagination.
It doesn’t matter what characters marvel brings in. The writing staff are incompetent! They will ruin any and every character. With that being said, I have high hopes for Deadpool 3! I hope they don’t let me down like they’ve done the last 3 years
Superhero fatigue IS a reality. When a comic story goes too far it goes into ridiculous bullshit, suspension of disbelief just dies. When most comics go into this bullshit zone, people just get tired of these.
This is why Batman works perfect, hes just a human and there's little bullshit you can do with him; YOU CAN STILL do bullshit with Batman and people will get sick of his supreme ridiculous plot armor powers.
Specially when their reboots already started with bullshit just to prove the new reboot is STRONGER than the previous world.
As someone who is a long time comic book (and manga) reader I've gotten tired of comic book films and don't really care what happens to Marvel or DC. I just want to see Hollywood go back to making normal films instead of a calendar dominated tent poles and franchises
Cyclops, nightcrawler, and rogue.
Anyone ever wonder why Cyclops ends with an s. Shouldn't it be Cyclop?
Btw "they made a perfect fantastic four movie, it was called the incredibles"
Haha! They should hire you! Good energie here and u knów what works
It's going to be crap. The DEI and representation is going to mess things up. Funny thing was traditional XMEN had natural equity. They want to make movies for a nich audience that is"t into comics.
No.
The only thing that can, is good storytelling.
And one more thing, thatt he comics-industry is not used to. This is doubly important to the X-men: permanent character deaths.
Loved the 90s TV show, grew up on it along with the rest of the Marvel/DC animated TV shows.
To answer your question, no I don't think X-men will save the MCU. Some funky rumors coming out of the live action version. For the new animated show, I haven't heard anything on it.
Shame because If Marvel played their cards right they could have whole ass generations of X-Men Teams, Starting with the original First Class and evolving into something Uncanny(get it?) unlike the Avengers who need the Trinity of Iron Man,Captain America and Thor at the center stage of their team, the X-Men has had quite a few leaders and a rotating cast and the books are still as well received! So long as they give each character the respect they deserve, they couldn’t go wrong with it!
Dont fall for the jangling keys!!! I love xmen above all else marvel, and im not going to watch disney screw them over.
Agree, they need to completly clean out the creative department, otherwise they will just ruin X-Men too
What ppl dont realize is the fact that ironman's box office success had a lot to do with marvel comicbook fans... Most likely, xmen fans FIRST before ironman or avengers. When uve used up all the goodwill and patueience of ur hardcore superhero audience (who r xmen fans first)... And drag out D list characters post endgame... They check out. A lot of the xmen fans are 30s and 40s and 50s. Theyre not getting any younger and have grown IMPATIENT and cannot stand another d lister character introduction
The ones who only watched the films will also check out because their beloved characters from the movies are gone.
Which begs the question to Marvel... Do u invest on a loyal hardcore but impatient audience (waiting for xmen) or do u try to resucitate the MCU movie audience with a new iterations of their avengers fandom.
Id bet on a hardcore super excited AND DEPRIVED loyal diehard audience waiting for their superhero of choice that xan guarantee me a guaranteed 200m ROI vs casual mcu movie universe fans who watch every so often and have grown fond more of the actors playing the characters more than the actual characters.
6:23 Well, at the beggining she was mediocre in a good sense, the problem is that the new `evolution´ ended up suckin´.
Not through a fantastic four movie...no. But a well-done DOOM movie could be amazing.
If they had any common sense rather than Kang, they’d be building up Dr Doom as the next Thanos, Doom is way more interesting than Kang and unlike Kang isn’t overtly complicated, Doom could be a threat that requires major heroes like Scarlet Witch or Ant Man to give their lives to stop him whilst opening the door for new heroes to take the reigns!