5th Gen basically exposed the series to a lot of unsightly people who then acted like they knew best for the franchise and discriminated upon fans of other entries.
nah ... more like world attracted bad fans, then some veterans think fence-sittinv makes them look more intelligent, and then there is RISE that OBJECTIVELY improved everything, and people are mad because you DON'T need a ps5 to actually play it at 60 fps. Rise is the better game ... end of story ...
@@V2ULTRAKill proving my point. I am arguing for objective truth, in which we are all brothers and in the same boat. You instead only elevate yourself, throwing me out as if I didn't have a right to exist. That ... that is precisely what i was talking about. Thank you 🙏
I know this is all anecdotal, but I haven’t personally seen a whole lot of that. What I have seen is people say they think 4U is the best, and a load of new players popping up to tell them the old games are archaic trash and that they’re blinded by nostalgia.
Having started with MHTri on the Wii, my favourite MH is Iceborne, followed by Sunbreak, so exceptions exist. Quite a few, actually. I see tons of people who claim GenU to be their favourite, for example.
As someone who's spent the better part of the last 6 months bouncing between Rise and World like a pinball with ADHD, comparing World and Rise is the most absurd thing to me. Other than being Monster Hunter games at their core, they are two completely different games that provide two completely different experiences. They aren't meant to be compared and contrasted, they're meant to be enjoyed on their individual merits.
Haha I like the way you started that comment. Tbh I can see why people compare, humans like to do so, and that's fine, people just don't need to be a dick doing it.
That's so right, they both have different feels, to me Mhi - Feel like you are the bottom of the food chain and fight against the top one on every encounter Mhs - You're an anime protagonist that fight the monster that cause threat to your village I vibe more with Iceborn but that doesn't mean Sunbreak is bad, but people are so entitled to "if me don't like then it's bad!" mentality it's scary
It just completely drained the fun out expressing love for the series. There's always been a level of elitism but never on this scale. Now it stains every corner of the community. Even ppl already trying to write off Wilds because its not more grounded like World or fast like Rise.
I have seen that, and it sucks it's that way, I'd hope people would wait and see as the game is closer to release to give their final decisions. Also hope you enjoy it when it comes out.
@NovaBushido it will take a lot for me to not enjoy a MH game. There was a dark period after 3U where I got burnt out and I couldn't put the time into 4U and ended up missing out. Then i skipped GU entirely. World reignited my drive and taught me there's limits lol. Rise brought me back to old days and i adored it for that too. Everything about Wilds looks like the culmination of MH. We are in for a treat.
That's because monster hunter is now mainstream in the west because you guys were completely fine with masses of new ppl joining thinking that they'll respect monster hunter as a franchise as much as you
Wow, the benefits of being a sane person that doesn't hate just for the sake of hating and instead enjoying all the games has become all too clear. I just play whichever one I feel like playing at that moment. Fast, high octane combat? Sunbreak it is. Craving some epic hunts? Iceborne it is. Classic with a bit of spice? GU is my go to. Full classic? 4U.
What a chad, that's the benefit of having options! Prehaps if capcom released a collection of the old games this will also help more people have as many options as possible.
If I was to say "full classic" it would be 3U rather. Due to the gameplay being very old fashioned. No jump attacks, no ledge climbing with weapon unsheath, stuff like that. And if I wanted to say "prehistoric" then MH2/MH1 of course lol.
4fetUs is now considered classic ? Maybe you should join Gajin and his Tribabies followers in that corner Unironically, FU was the last "true" Monster Hunter game
@@brojakmate9872 Eeeeh I wouldn't go that far. FU was a good game but also borrowed that prehistoric game design MH1 and MH2 had without actually having the same gameplay because you would get a lot of buffs from these games or also get attacks done with buttons and not the right stick. MH3 actually was the last game using that right stick gameplay (though you also could use buttons). Iirc even 3U on the Wii U never implemented it back. Now this should also be mentionned that if we're truly neat picky, then MHF2 and FU are much easier games than MH1, MHFreedom and MH2 which all had much higher stamina consumption and smaller item inventory because it was only 2 pages instead of 3 pages in Freedom 2/Freedom Unite. That's why 3rd gen Monster Hunter is still pretty legacy gameplay wise if we take that in the equation, FU has less gameplay differences from MH3 than MH1/2 to FU. The evolution was pretty smooth till 4th gen, which was built differently but not necesserily easy peasy neither.
I still used to play 3U from time to time until my upper screen broke on my 3DS. Got a new one screen but still need to change the broken one with the new one. When I still had a ps2 I was still playing the first game. Same with the freedom games when I still had a psp. If I got a psp again I might still go back to the older games. I am definitely going back to 3U once I fix my screen and I definitely still go back to GU. 4U I don't go so much back to cuz I got my hunter to max HR and G but I also got my guild card 100% I am planning to go back to world at some point too before wilds come out too as well. I recently jumped on world not so long ago did a few hunts. Noticed that they finally fixed the clutch claw and that it is nowhere near as bad as it used to be and is actually okay now. I wanted to go back to world for a long time but because of idiots who started with world being toxic and simping hard and are too dumb to understand that you can love something and still criticize it and defending world even against valid criticism I started garnering contempt towards world. I had to stop interacting with those type of people to start loving world again. I got over 2000 hours on all the games so far and I still need to max on HR and MR/G and 100% my guild card on Freedom Unite, 3U, GU, world/iceborne and on Rise/sunbreak Edit: If I combine all the hours in the games I am 100% sure I would have over 15000 hours of my life spend on the Franchise 😂
This video isn't about debating between each games, it's about the situations around the games, going from 4th gen to 5th gen. It makes sense to me that people are disappointed and have a favourite other another. That's the benefit of having games that are different as they go along. MH3U isn't like 4U and 4U isn't like World (In the case of mainline). GU and Rise are also different, and as you play more games, they'll be one game you'll fall in love with more than another and that's fine. When talking to other hunters, let's keep it civil at the very least if you have disagreements. And if you think I'm a Rise stan you'd be wrong my Favourite game is GU and then after that 3U 😈 Hope you enjoy the Video and can't wait for Wilds.
Cant wait for the wilds vs next ichinose game discourse to start for 6th gen Since the tone and speed gap between main console and portable mh has been growing since 4th gen
Keep in mind that in an investor meeting, they asked Capcom why not release the game in December to capitalise on holiday sales. Capcom responded in a polite way, telling them to F off, and they wanted to release it in a better state a little later. Considering that the demo is hitting 60 fps more often than not on a PS5, I'm sure the performance won't be too bad on release... taking into account the latest demo we've seen would be a few months old already.
Good point, I forgot about that piece of info. I haven't talked about performance at large yet, but when the game comes out and we know more I can talk about that part. Thanks for the info bro.
@francistein8409 If I remember correctly, they did delay it a little, but the problem is DD2 was seemingly a sacrificial lamb for Wilds. I have no way of providing evidence for this, but Capcom loves to test things out using the players. Tampered monsters and extreme Behemoth as scaling for master rank, Doggos in Rise leading in to legally distinct Chocobos in Wilds, Behemoth's agro mechanic baked in to Wilds and most likely the RE engine on DD2 being used to test open worlds.
@bruhirl1023 I don't think we'll need frame gen to hit 60 fps on a 2070, but rather to keep it at 60. Again, look at the latest showing 60fps most of the time on a PS5, on a build most likely a few months old. The performance will most likely be better show after show, but we won't have a solid idea how it will perform on PC until we get a demo or they outright show us with spec details. Also, keep in mind it's a miracle that World even runs on both console and PC.
The graphics argument is the only thing that makes my head hurt. Its not even a serious downgrade like ps4 to ps2 graphics, and honestly its pretty much the same from my eyes. Maybe because I started on older gen that graphics isnt really an issue to any game as long as the gameplay is fun.
The person complaining that Monster Hunter is a game that should only be on Sony consoles should be stuck with MH1 graphics. Hell, they'd at least have an easier time than the people who had to play on 3DS. I had a 3DSXL and even that hurt my eyes with the tiny screens and hurt my hands with the way you have to hold it, and let's not even get started on the times I accidentally hit the power button because my pinky was there trying to support the thing. (EDIT: Also from my understanding MH:FU PsP players got it even worse, so I can hardly complain.) If you think that World is better than Rise, but your only argument is that the graphics were better, then you are completely missing out on so many great aspects of these games and I feel bad for you.
As a rise fan that played the wilds demo I can tell you the graphics are nice to look at and at times are impressive but they didn't really blow me away as much a I thought it would. Personally I was in it for the gameplay so "good" or "bad" graphics isn't a deal breaker or maker for me.
Honestly there are even times where i think that rise looks better than world thanks to art style (specifically from monsters using elements like teostra's fire or valstrax' dragon) As a whole tho both games look really good
Ok I will say what I felt about Rise before and after playing the game. Before I start playing Rise, I got big doubt on my head when I heard stuff that doesnt feel natural to MH like parry-centric plannings overthrowing positioning and spacing, heavily designed for wirebugs, streamlined resource management, changes to chugging potions, changes to bows and guns, and many many more!! And to no surprise, I really hated alot of them! Unlike many people, I tried to be better version of myself and try to find the answer on why Rise have this changes by playing it. It didnt change my view on disliking it but I can't lie that I actually have a fun experience. This fun experience of learning and adapting to the environment is the biggest draw of Monster Hunter for me. It gained my respect at some aspect. I had fun and I am fine with how short-lived the fun factor of MH Rise vanilla. Tackling Rise made me realize that I am very open to anything similar to Monster Hunter and God Eater. I learned my lesson.
And that experience is totally fine, you saw something you didn't lie, it's fine to express it. You gave it a try at least and I respect that. Thanks for sharing Sora, always good to see you in the comments.
Excellent video dude! When it comes to the World vs Rise discourse I always fall back on the trusty food analogy. The Monster Hunter series is like a cake shop, where each new cake they bake has its own unique flavor and texture, but at their core share that unique Monster Hunter special sauce- or cake batter I should say. With each new recipe the formula slowly evolved (more weapons, monsters, environments, mounting, etc.) and the fanbase of the shop grew. Some people still prefer the older recipes, and while those cakes all have their merits, the "World Cake" is what really made the shop a global phenomenon. Some of the unique flavor the older recipes had was undoubtedly lost, but in return MILLIONS of people were able to learn about the shop and become fans, and the older recipes were still there to try out for those who were hungry for more. Then came Rise, which was a far more experimental cake. It was smaller than World, it's taste and texture was generally less appealing than World, and it was easy to see how those who went in expecting something close to the World cake were disappointed. To a small (but VERY vocal) minority, it was so distasteful that they even began assuming that every future cake would now be Rise flavored, and that those who enjoyed the Rise cake we're somehow beneath them. The Rise cake enjoyers naturally clapped back, with some pointing out that Rise still carries the special MH cake batter, despite being a different shape and flavor, and that there is more to the shop than just the World cake. However, there was also a small vocal minority of Rise enjoyers who gave into anger and became just like the World fans, seeing World cake enjoyers as lesser fans and lesser people. And that's where we find ourselves now. Capcom has been going around giving out free samples of their latest Wilds cake, and World fans are rejoicing as most of the Rise flavor is gone. Not all of it, of course, we still have some frosting (moves) here and there that are straight from Rise, but it seems the flavor will be more globally appealing this time around. In the end, the special formula has been preserved, as always. It was never lost, it's just altered slightly in every recipe. As long as the MH cake shop keeps baking its cakes like this, I will be there to enjoy them. TL;DR : Rise and World are just different flavors of MH. You are not better or worse for preferring one over the other. Just because a game doesn't appeal to your tastes doesn't mean the entire franchise is ruined forever.🍰
Haha great analogy, tbh people act like it's something crazy, people always have favourites in all different types of things, I'd be shocked if we all had the same favourites. And maybe you like little parts of each cake, that's also cool. Nothing wrong with that. Thanks for the comment bro.
I think which entry is your favorite has a lot to do with what weapon you main. As a lance main, the reason I genuinely disliked Rise is because they ruined a lot of what made lance great in World/IB. As a weapon that already is very hungry for decos and skills just to make the shield function, that made it worse by making things like guard up require 3 ranks to function the way it did with one rank in world. This in conjunction with how poorly implemented the wire bug skills were implemented for Lance at launch, it left a bad taste in my mouth I just couldn’t ever wash out. I’m sure others have the exact opposite experience where the Rise version of their weapon is so good they can’t go back to world. I wonder why more people don’t talk about this. Anyways, buff Lance pls
Damn that's interesting cos I'm a lance main, but World is not my favourite. I had more fun in GU with lance so going to world I missed having arts and styles and mixing up my play style time to time. But that's just me. ALWAYS BUFF LANCE MY GUY, we need it :P. Hope to talk more lance with ya in the future
Lance is functionally perfect. There have been nerfs to it in every generation, and it still reliably slays. Regarding the skills that make it really shine in Rise: Barroth mail. Full set. You have to throw on a deco here and there to max those skills, but it is very simple to accomplish. It might be better than the Steel Uragan mail for ultimate lancer armor.
People can have their gripes about the games i like them both for different reasons but the one thing i can't stand is people putting one game down but never even played it and just talk about graphics like mh hasn't been a handheld game or a Nintendo console exclusive for a majority of it's life or how the other game is too slow but ignore the older games where combat was even more weighted.
Same, extremist Sony fanboys playing games purely for graphics instead of just playing to enjoy the GAMEplay. I don't love MHRise's look after coming from World but god damn does it get tiring to throw the console wars into this discussion and just berating everything purely because of an asinine take like that. If I wanted graphics, I'd watch a movie...
Sure, but at the same time it's also important to respect that those gripes might actually be with a mechanic that someone else loved, and that's normal with a franchise that likes to experiment with its mechanics. Plenty of people that loved the wirebug mechanic received a lot of hate for it, to the point of being told they were ruining the franchise. Very uninformed, since it assumed wirebugs were aimed to be the future of the series when they clearly were just a one time mechanic to give Rise its unique spin, and kind of self-centered, assuming that the game is made essentially just for them...
@@MusicCometCalling out Sony fans for this when World is on Xbox and PC too is a little odd lol. You might want to let go of the console war, my friend.
@@CaptainEffort I said Sony fans because of the posts I saw in the video itself which came from the Sony bad apples. I don't expect Xbox and PC people to be complete angels either but I'm specifically referring to the comments that were like "MH deserves to be on the superior console!". You might want to try again.
I think because it's easier for people to do so since they are close to releasing people like to do it often. And also because it's an easy hot topic to get views. But what's curious to me after reading your comment, I don't see many World players compare GU and World, they came out at the same time basically. Strange...
If you're talking about "World vs Rise" then it's simply because the games are quite different from each other. If they were practically the same then people wouldn't be comparing and contrasting them the way they do now. Hell, Generations Ultimate and 4 Ultimate are sometimes compared to each other, mostly because Generations has the whole 'styles' system that is pretty polarizing among the community. The actual problem is people perceive their preference as absolute truths. It's like someone who likes to put cream in their coffee telling someone who likes their coffee black that they are incorrect for liking it that way.
I think personally Every monster hunter game has their own unique charm do I think that they have flaws Yeah and do I think that there should be a competition of what games better then the other no, because in the end of the day every monster hunter game can be fun depends on the preference so if you enjoy playing any of the monster hunter games you really absolutely love than play it there should be no need for toxic or Judgment behavior thats all i have to say for every fellow hunter in this beautiful community I do 100% agree with your video and you did a fantastic job my friend 💜
@@emeka490 Like I said, it's all anecdotal, but... yeah. I see a lot of people that enjoy Rise having an almost victim mentality on it and I just don't see that many negative comments towards their take on Rise, it's usually negative comments directed at their negative disposition or how they come across. You aren't getting unjust hate when your comment is literally "Rise good, World bad" (They are both fun, everyone shut up)
It's the other way around trust me. On twitter, Reddit or my other community platform, 99,9% of the comments could say they prefer one over the other but they still like both. But brother the rest of the comments: -rise is trash -They should put those -recourses into gen 6 -Graphics are bad -Why is it made on a handheld? (Like eh?🤨) -monsters are trash (in design or overall)
@@bluefiredemon448 This. I have been on so many different posts in steam(often seeing world console stans dissing Rise in the rise discussion forums), reddit, youtube comments and the videos themselves. It's really not hard to find.
It may be anecdotal, I saw rised attacked a lot back when it was coming out, during it's launch, the announment. Also when the return to world events happened. Rise fans attacked but as a relatiation to that over bitterness. But in the end it doesn't matter. That's what my video is saying, if you dislike something that's fine. But attacking each other is pretty lame. There's things I don't like about both games, and some I love, I still have a favourite MH game, no issue with that.
You just arrived to the party. Every Monster Hunter game is a stand alone. You adapt to the village culture. Monster Hunter been around for 20 years. If anyone toxic about Monsters Hunter your not a fan or hunter. Just a casual gamer.
I’m sure there’s gonna be some things in wilds that were in Rise (like controllable mounts) that people who refused to play rise are gonna love. But they’ll never give rise credit for testing out the idea and liking it enough to make it a thing. And rise was originally going to have load screens for areas but after worlds success they decided to make the maps fully loaded in even tho the game was already in development. The hunting horn in wilds even has the same move that was a silk bind move in rise. Both games did great things and the great things in both will make wilds an even better game.
Yea the mount is a great example of that, people will like it but that's the advantage of an on going series like MH, they keep adding the good parts and the games ideally will keep evolving, hope people see that. Thanks for the comment.
yeah and the palamute riding system was an expansion on the Raider rides in world its great to see how its evolved from its inception in World to Rise and now Wilds with the Sekrets.
Hope switch skill or some kind of move set customization returns because I like some parts about wilds controls and weapon changes but then there is the change they made to the switch axe thay made the attack that leads to the stamina swing a running charge attack with really throw me off. Hope that it's possible to change so that I can configure it to be more suited to my preferred move set.
about the deco vs tali part, I'm a firm believer that RNG talisman is the lesser evil. Never obtaining a crucial decoration for a build breaks the experience but there isn't a "crucial" talisman, thinking about a world bow user that never gets Mighty Bow deco for example even after a thousand hours (definitely an experience I had with a different weapon in World, it was aggravating). But I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to how they're improving RNG decos in Wilds. Looks like they will be split into categories that we can inspect before selecting a hunt, reducing the size of the table of possible decorations we could be getting and narrowing it down further to what we're looking for.
i agree and i'm one of the few who doesn't mind RNG decos, except the fact that there's no way to tailor it and that's what seperates it for me *why oh WHY capcom* does the umpteenth fire dragon drop frost jewels? why am i 400 hours in and not a single attack 4 jewel among plenty of other ones talismans feel so much better. i can actually try to go for a certain build not just pray that the 634th day of fucking ruin quest will give me the one jewel i want
I also prefer talismans, but maybe that's due to me being an old head. I'm interested to see how it works in Wilds. MH isn't an MMO and I think in World they did lean that way, perhaps just by having the rates lower could be a good way of dealing with it. Regardless of that thanks for watching and the comment.
There are absolutely "crucial" talismans Build up boost/frostcraft for greatsword as an example The amount of damage those skills add is massive to the point you do more damage with better armor and worse decos but those skills on a talisman Than being forced to wear velk armor for frostcraft even with perfect decos
@@V2ULTRAKill I guess I didn't see it from a GS perspective, the main weapons I use are Lance, Hunting Horn and Insect Glaive with a side of Charge Blade, Gunlance and small amount of Sword and Shield and Dual Blades. I guess that might be an issue that showed up as they added some of those notorious skills to talisman table as they weren't there at first.
@@SirBanana1992 yeah it's bad for weapons that desire frostcraft THAT much In world it was so bad that GS wanted to kill AT velk before fatalis to have good frostcraft armor And in rise it is mandatory to have at least 2 points of frostcraft or build up boost on a talisman because you can't max both with just qurious crafting
It's always strange for me seeing arguments like this as World was my first MH game with rise ofc being my second... and I love both of them equally. Different games offer different experiences, naturally people have their subjective preferences to these factors - Depsite this some players feel the need to gatekeep how the game should be or how it used to be. I'm just here to enjoy the ride haha, love the video man
This video can be summed up as: Remember the human. Be civil. (Or 'Be excellent to each other' if you prefer movie quotes.) I don't really use social media like -Twitter- X or Facebook, and I've only recently started doing stuff in comments sections for Monster Hunter RUclips videos due to MH:Wilds hype and having way too much free time. It was my understanding that co-operative games such as Monster Hunter, Warframe, Guild Wars, Deep Rock Galactic, etc. typically fostered the best gaming communities simply because of their co-operative nature. Seeing the outright hostile comments people in the community have is giving me whiplash, and almost makes me embarrassed to say that I'm a MH fan. In my opinion, it is legitimate to compare aspects of Monster Hunter World and Monster Hunter Rise, and even 'old school' games to the current ones. Most of the time when people are comparing these games they are saying they want future games in the series to be similar to their preferred game, or they want certain features to become mainstays or certain features to never show up again. Being a complete douche, on the other hand, is never legitimate. --- I will go slightly off-topic since you mentioned Guild Wars... since it's kind've funny how much we deviate here. My brother had Guild Wars 1 but I never actually got to play it. Then years later I was there for the release of Guild Wars 2 and I played it a bit, put it down for a few years, then picked it back up again somewhat more recently (around the time Icebrood Saga was going on, IIRC). Now on to the point. It seems like you prefer Rise over World, and I prefer World over Rise, and Rise is considered the 'faster paced' game while World is the 'methodical' one. Meanwhile, from my understanding Guild Wars 1 is much more strategic (slower) than Guild Wars 2 (faster), and it seems you prefer GW 1 while I prefer GW2 (granted, I haven't played GW1). I don't know, I just thought it was funny how that adds up.
Haha well sort of yes, but in my own style of doing things, people get messages clearer when you paint a nice picture and don't just preach to them. Comparing is fine, we all have wants, I want GU2, will I get it? Probably not LOOL, but I still want it. Haha yea that is kinda funny, I do prefer Rise over World yes, and GW1 over GW2 in defo in pve. GW2 WvW back in the day was my shit. Anyway I suppose it is funny in an ironic why, but I wouldn't say it's funny in a your flip floppy way. I'm a nuanced person in many ways, there are certain thing I connect with for different ways. For GW1 it wasn't the slow combat itself, it was the theory crafting and team mechanics, I find them so interesting, I can talk about them forever. The gameplay itself is outdated and slow yes, but I expect that due to it's era and for everything else around it. Thanks for the interesting comment.
Started off as a portable third player back in the old days of ppsspp. When world came out the new mechanics were definitely overwhelming. Heck having no area loading screen was alien to me. Yet I'm glad the soul of Theseus remained throughout those 5 years since I last played P3rd. It's definitely not the same ride but the journey was just as enjoyable for both. It'd be a no brainer to compare the features of a sailboat and a jetski. The takeaway here is whatever floats your boat.
Damn right, people should play what they enjoy and if they like it more than something else that's fine. Makes perfect sense to me, just don't be annoying about it :P. Great comment.
10 year ago Monster Hunter fans never. Never fought each other about Monster Hunter games. We were happy a new game was coming. We supported each other. Now new players just arguing....why ...it makes no sense about a co op only game. Rise was a test of Capcom new RE engine. Every Monster Hunter game prior used a 20 year old engine.
@@NovaBushido Monster Hunter is the only game to ever exits that's hard to describe to others. It's a Culture game. One of a kind. Culture in the sense each game in the series adopted the hunting habits of that village. That's why each game stood alone. And popular hunting cultures carried on.. I don't have a RUclips channel but hope for years someone would explain the culture of Monster Hunter. This info came straight from the creator s not me years ago.
For a cooperative series, there is so much division in the downtime between entries. I've been playing since 3U on both systems and I've never witnessed this much of a divide. There were some for sure in the older games like 4U and Gen being drastically different and some hating that. Regardless, I'm here to play Monster Hunter and have a good time.
Good point, you normally expect this from a pvp game. Perhaps the mix of being on different platforms and differences in vision for each game leads to the division more.
@@NovaBushido Yeah it could be a mix of things. Originally being a Playstation only game, moving to Nintendo for 3rd/4th Gen, then excluding Nintendo for world then only serving Nintendo (for a year) with rise. Not to mention the upsurge of new players in recent times. Just a recipe for so many more opinions and many angry ones at that.
Noticed the same thing. I started with Tri and I was always proud to be a part of the community. It was incredibly wholesome and I met some amazing people through it. Compared to now… it may as well be a different community entirely.
I started with World and I´m currently on Sunbreak´s campaign. I play the games just cause I like the monsters designs and ecology. Rise might have lower graphic fidelity but I never consider it bad, it does look good. As for colors I don´t see any difference between World, Rise and Wilds. They all look the same to me. Having stuff to disagree on sounds good to me cause it means the series isn´t stagnant. We get new gimmicks that make each entry feel unique and makes us want to fight all the monsters with the new thing. Like come on, using the Clutch Claw to slowly mount Jhen Mohran step by step sounds badass. If we didn´t get new stuff to play with we would end up like the COD players buy the same game each year meme. The way we convey our dislikes to others is a great point. No one likes being told that they are plain wrong. It also makes it harder to see their point and agree with them. Witch is why I hate it when people just keep on feeding the fire. Sometimes one has to take the shot to stop this pointless debate. Why does it mater that your game is "the best"? What´s there to gain from this? Ego? Satisfaction? I hope one of those 6 future videos will be about Capcom and its good will, it sounds very interesting. The only Capcom games I´d played are Worldborne and Risebreak and I´m very happy with the quality I got for what I spend. But the lack of communication in regards to the changes in Wilds and terminology used kinda lowered my likeness of the devs. I still like the dev team very much but I wish we would get to socially interact with the devs more. Like have a social MH forum or something like that. I get it that the language barrier is steep and the devs want us to find the new features by ourselves but I just want to hear why some things got changed. Great video overall. Keep doing what you like doing!
Wow I'm glad you actually watched it, haha some poeple will see the title, thing it's a World vs Rise video and just say what they like best, but it's clear to me you actually watched it and I respect and appreciate that. I hope your journey in Sunbreak is a good one, have fun! Goodwill wasn't currently in the 6, but it may be, It's a good idea exploring the gaming industry and how godwill can save or destory a game.
i personally see this as rise and world trying to combine all of monster hutner games together world went to be a combination of all mainline games while rise went into a diffrent route making it feel like the most well khown not mainline monster hunter FRONTIERS after all they even had frontiers mascot espinas with em
I didn’t like rise on launch, rampage quests were not my thing at all. But I could not wrap my head around all the hate, especially when sunbreak was so good. It played so well on switch too. I’m also kind of sick of being told skills I like aren’t meta. Idc, I’m not speedrunning. I wanna eat mushrooms for a dmg boost leave me alone.
Glad to know you enjoy both games.Both games haa good and bad but the most important thing is to just enjoy the games.The old series are great too... hope you can also explore old series, you may even appreciate the quality of life and improvement added to the newer monster hunter game. Hope you can continue to make more video.
Yooo I started on Tri, so I know a lot about the old games haha, just not older than that. I don't correctly have plans to go back to games before Tri currently.
I have played monster Hunter since 2005 on the PlayStation 2. I've played almost every game and seen the huge amount of changes over the years. I've been impressed with how far it's come as a franchise and changed with the times. There are things i love and hate with every game but i have always had fun with each game.
Haha I can only imagine the bitterness, and I understand it, it used to be on Sony consoles/portables, going to Wii is a big move. Also 4U not bein on WiiU was painful for me personally... I only played on consoles so I had to get a 3ds for 4U
@@NovaBushido yep the parallels are crazy lmao I think this one just feels louder now because back then the community was a lot smaller to see that discourse you had to be on the forums and in discords but now you can find I here on RUclips and on Twitter and of course negativity gets a huge push on those platforms so yk how that goes
There was an interview, I can't remember where the interview came from so take it with a grain of salt. But when it came to the monsters in Rise, they were aiming to have these monsters be seen as somewhat of deities, meanwhile World had them feeling like animals. After reading that interview, I saw how different they were treating Rise compare to World overall, and made me appreciate both titles more for what they were seeking to achieve. Plus, I'm glad to have some variations from time to time with releases.
@@NovaBushido Yeah' it's probably the intros that convey that. With that context, it's as if the intros are the people of that region seeing these monsters as deities, that can be seen with the Shrine Ruins' relics, and also the final boss of Sunbreak being described as a devil in its quest name, and the imagery of it coming from the depths.
The thing that always rubbed me wrong in this "debate" is the whole diferent equal bad side of the argument. It screams with that grain of elitism that i so hate from he community. Change is almost always good, experimentation is the key for fun in games, if not for that mh would not be better than fifa or maden games where an exact copy of older games with slightly diferent ads during the match is the only change
Ya thats why it annoys me to no end when somebody says "the monster hunter community is wholesome and welcoming" I enjoyed rise a lot so i experienced the toxicity first hand.. and it is really frustrating
Rise pretty much opened me to the franchise but at the same time it was the worse RUclips era like damn World vs Rise was at an all time high lol, but i cant thank This game enough man i met so many amazing people on this journey. Aye man thx for speaking your mind brotha much luv from ye fellow 5th Gen.
Bro I see it all the time, it's tiring for me, but people have a right to their opinion. I just would like people to be civil about it ideally. Thakns Yoshi, good to see you.
I remember there being a slideshow someone made that tried their damnedest to condemn Rise from World because of the "steep drop off" of players and various other disingenuous points Apparently that slideshow got to 4chan and Twitter There was a felt hate boner for the game that tried to hide behind the shield of "the stats don't lie"
What’s kinda ironic for me (and other people) is that world and rise are some of my least favorite games in monster hunter, yet I still had fun. I don’t really hate hate them but they bring good and bad fights to the fifth gen of monster hunter. World has good mechanics, good weapon feeling, etc. while rise has good monsters, amazing feeling but fast pace content, etc. Each game is good but I can’t say they’re my favorite. Doesn’t stop me from putting almost 1000 hours in them, but from my personal experience old world has just felt better for me as a hunter. Is it ok to like rise? Yes, is it ok to like world? Yes again.
100% my guy, it's good to see that even though 5th gen wasn't your favourite, you can still see the good in it. I hope more people can have that type of mind set.
@@NovaBushido I just feel like monster hunter has always been good. Except for gen 1, but that was basically showing what they could do at the time lol. Personal favorite are third gen.
I always saw this entire thing as be caused by the phenomenon of "2nd Game Syndrome" Where so many people started with World and either thought it was the 1st game in the series or didnt know the previous games. And when Rise was so diffrent they rejected it Even i did this going from 4U to Generations and not liking it as a kid but i at least went back and played the hell out of GU when i got a Switch and figured out the systems. Why did younger me figure out this problem before all the World fanboys? idk Edit: wait a second thats my reply at 2:59 this is epic
Yoo so that was you! Haha great to see you hre Xavier. You're right, people forget it's a game in a series with a long history. The good thing about MH is every game has it's own spin and some you'll vibe with more than others and that's fine.
I remember seeing an innocent Instagram post of the Amatsu and Apex Zinogre battle in Sunbreak. The first few top comments were just people saying how much they dislike Rise. Can we go two seconds without getting pissy about games we don’t like? Have your opinions, but as you said, the way people express them is the issue. Furthermore, time and place, people. There’s no need to speak negatively on something that isn’t related to the quality of the game.
There's a reason the pre-fifth gen community came up with the name fivers, to differentiate people who actually played and enjoyed MH from just people who think they know everything after starting with world/rise, previously no one gave a shit about if you used specific weapons, after world, everyone acts like if you don't use the same weapon you're an opp. I think what really cemented that 5th gen brought in a lot of people was the monster popularity poll, all the unique and cool monsters, were so far down on the list, the fact that zorah magdaros beat like 80% of the monsters of all time on that popularity list says a lot about how many fivers joined the MH community at world/rise. I know this might come off as gatekeepy, but yeah I'd rather be gatekeepy of a community Im fond of than let it devolve into something like league of legends
LOL Zorah beating 80% is crazy, I don't like gatekeeping, but I also don't like people acting as if the series only just started like bro people have been playing it for years.
@@NovaBushido yeah zorah had no business being as high as it was on that list, but that was just due to the fact that all the 5th gen hunters had never seen anything outside world/rise. Im glad they didn't go back to older games either, they would probably just shit on them because they were harder and not as main stream as world/rise. the amount of people Ive seen say that underwater was bad despite never playing it is insane, like how can you have an opinion if you didn't actually play it LMAO
Personally for me, I just vibe more with Rise than World, and this is wayyyy before Rise release. I tried World because it was on sale, but it didn't capture my attention at all. It also might stems from me personally only experienced in playing the portable series (MHG and MHGU) previously.
For me it is the opposite lol World was a huge slog to play and the graphics suck ass but the vibe was so good it made it worth it (if bought from sale Rise is a better product in like, everything... It is way prettier, the monsters aren't poorly designed half assed gimmick jokes with bland designs for the sake of "realism" and the ost just slaps... but the endemic life being just items just don't hit the same🥺 Overall I still prefered rise
@@Mirawaru I think you mistook graphics with artstyle/theming. Graphically World is better, but Rise aesthetically is more unique and not bland like the simple wood and iron throughout Astera.
I had fun with rise but it was just too much. Running up walls. Evading through attacks with wirebugs, and wyvernriding. People complain the clutch claw was overpowered but wyvernriding was even worse. Sure they put a cool down on it but it was still more powerful than clutch claw.
Between two games i did prefer Rise for probably weirdest reason, i'm a ig main, with emphasis on i, kinsects felt a little bit more diverse, which i loved
insect glaive was lovely in rise. i hope wilds will have several kinsects and not just the powdr one from world. i dont like powder kinsect :( assist kinsect was way more fun in my opinion
I feel you on Disney Star Wars. I loved the episode 1 - 6 since I was a kid. I gave episode 7 a chance and while some decisions made me scratch my head, I thought the movie was alright. Then came 8 and 9 which tanked my interest in seeing anything more from Disney. I remember saying I was playing MHW back when it just came out and some dude was said I wasn’t playing a real MH game. I quickly tuned him out. The MHW vs MHR thing is pretty stupid. Old gen vs new gen is stupid too. I’ve played MHGU, MHW and MHR. There are things I like more in each game over the others but I love them all.
Yoo, my star wars brother, thanks for sharing your opinion. I'm glad you've played other games in the series and tuned out that guy and just did what you enjoy
This is why I'm excited for crossplay in Wilds. Bridging the gap between platforms and bringing everyone(besides switch players) together. As much as I'd love for them to get in on the fun, the console is too outdated. Unless the Switch 2(if its real), has enough power to run the game, that'll be great! But realistically, they'll probably wait for 6th gen portable
Ah good to hear a wise head on this debate. I liked both games, started in world and preferred it over rise but rise was still a great game, it brought new thing the table (really liked the switch skills) I got my daughter into the series through it also as i felt it was easier to pick up the basics on MH. End of the day though i think most if this discourse is just people who want to be bitter on social media, always good to take a break from that to clear your head. Great video man, subbed.
Nicee I'm not a father yet, but I'd like to be one day, I can imagine it must feel awesome to enjoy a new game with your daughter, I hope you two get to also play Wilds together. Thanks for the sub!
I love both world and rise!! The thing that really annoys me those are those who jumped on at world, disrespect other monster hunter games cuz they’re“not like world”, talk about how monster hunter should be, and shit on rise because it wasn’t “world 2”. I don’t want to use tourist or casual but it’s seriously frustrating when people bash other great games of an awesome series and they haven’t so much as touched older games!
I never got the World vs Rise debate on all honesty. With Rise Sunbreak being my first monster hunter game, I don't care much about the debate and I still enjoy both games,but I enjoy Rise more than World even with playing through both games. Nonetheless, I am still looking forward to Wilds especially when it comes to the Lance as at the end of the day, we all love Monster Hunter and I can't wait to see you all in Wilds.
The worse in Rise is the multiplayer system. I still to this day can play World and find S.O.S. and have HUBs with 15 to 16 players. But rise couldnt hold more than 4 together? and random search for hunts? 4 min searching hunts to not find any? hunts that last 5 min because the dmg makes every hunt a speedrun, so i get into hunts that are ending most of the time already... Rise was fun, but World is still going strong.
As a relatively new monster hunter fan my first proper introduction to the franchise was through MH rise definitive edition. By the time I got the game I didn't experience any of the launch issues the game had that could have bogged down the experience. I quickly found myself getting sucked in to the game and loving it. After a had completed the main story I eagerly played through sunbreack. Eventually I had hunted every type of monster at least once. I never expected to fall in love with this game franchise that I previously thought wasn't made for me. My first introduction to MH was with the Generations ultimate demo which I did not enjoy and ended up hating. So I was so surprised I really enjoyed rises gameplay. I did recently buy Generations ultimate just to see if my options about it would change after a whole playthrogh of rise+DLC I remember hearing about the constant arguments about World vs Rise, so I was worried that Wilds would not appeal to me due to it taking a lot of cues from World and only a few from rise. However those concerns were quickly dispelled after getting to play the MH wilds demo at gamescom. The gameplay fealt just as fluid, fast and responsive as in rise and the slinger was such a fun and interesting new tool to play around with. I remember my rise muscle memory wanting me to wire bug up to Reydou to continue to do damege to him. I personally can't wait for wilds to come out because it is currently my most anticipated game. Honestly the debate is kind of pointless because to me the difference between modern portable and console Monster hunter isn't that significant besides of course the structure and main goal of the games differing, one wants more movement ability wile other trades that for "realisim". After I'm done with wilds I probably get around to try out World after hearing it get all the praise for years.
Wow I'm jealous you got to play at gamescome, awesome, I was planning on going but I made my plans too late.. Regardless I'm happy you got to play and enjoyed. Thanks for sharing your story, you've been through quite the journey with MH, I hope you continue to have fun in MH, and if you ever want to play on MHGU then let me know! We do streams on the game.
@@NovaBushido I did get to play the first short tutorial demo 4 or 5 times and played the multiplayer demo 1 time. That line was the longest about 3 or 4 hours but it was worth it because I wanted to see the other monsters. I remember missing the wire bugs a bit but as soon as I got to figure out focus mode the trade off didn't seem that bad. I like the focus strike and wound system they reward playing precise or aggressive by giving you a big weak spot to hit if you successfully land enough hits in one spot. It is quite a fun gameplay loop that keeps the whole hunt exciting. You no longer have those dull moments in a hunt were nothing significant happens because you are always trying to land the next focus strike. The new monsters were cool. Chatacabra is absurdly easy even for early game monster standards, but it's the tutorial monster so off course it's ridiculously easy. Doshaguma feals like if they took a real grizzly bear and faithfully adopted it to monster hunter with a monstes spin on it which can't be said about poor goofy Arzuros with dosint scare or intimidate me at all. Only briefly saw the balahara during a turf war with Doshaguma were he got sucked through the sink hole to the other end of the map. I was able to find Reydou at the spring in the middle of the map after the thunderstorm drinking. It then nuked a poor spikey armordillo and then wrecked a pack of Doshaguma. Loved its sound design it sounded like a Ailen robot ghost or something. I didn't expect it to have armblades like Magnamalo so it was a pleasant surprise to see him swing them twords me. I didn't get to defeat him but it was still a blast of a hunt. I can tell you this focus mode is ridiculously fun and rewarding and you will probably love it once you get to play wilds in some shape or form.
while I like world more in the end, rise isnt bad at all, it kinda is easier every new game runs I do to endgame rise was the easier but its not that its boring, playing every weapon on each iteration of monster hunter really gives you perspective of what are the changes they do to make the game more fun or one weapon is too strong, as for world vs rise to me its not really a fight, I just see the game as portable and console, rise is jump in and hunt game and world is sit for long sessions unless both are endgame in which I like world more due to bigger lobby with the bros, but I think rise was just limited by switch by design. Both are enjoyable and everyone should play them all without being emotional and toxic plus if they want challenge we have frontier private servers for that, world and rise to me is easier than GU and GU and 4U is easier than frontier. I didnt just sink over ten thousand hours in the series just to end up hating one, rise might not be my top favorite but its pretty good on sunbreak, base rise did lack at first but so was base world. theres no fight cause both wasnt really that much at their start, its always the expansions that gives even more to what was already there and we all enjoy it.
I'm glad you're able to enjoy both! Edit: GU may be easier than 4U (atleast the early/mid game) But I just have so much fun in GU it doesn't matter to me at all.
I’ll be honest, this was extremely cathartic. As a person that got into the series through Monster Hunter Rise, I find a lot of the arguments to be little more than white noise and senseless drivel, and there was a period where I felt stupidly bitter and resentful of a world as a result of these fights. Those days are thankfully over.. and I don’t believe what I think is best for the series as a whole with my subjective tastes, but at the same time, neither Iceborne or Sunbreak are perfect - all the games in Monster Hunter have different flavors and experiences to offer. I’ve played both Iceborne and Sunbreak, along with games from every generation sans the first one, and I still just don’t understand where so much of the vitriol stems from, unless it’s just a matter of ignorance in some cases. That isn’t to say everyone acts this way, many people are able to calmly and rationally explain themselves positively and negatively, but I’ve seen my fair share of arguments, and I was even replying to that comment you showed off at the start. It was in such poor taste, missing the entire point. It just befuddles me to no end, trying to make sense of the lot of it. People will certainly continue to be people, and I’m not advocating people to not express their thoughts, but I just don’t think spewing hatred on social media is actively going to fix issues you have with a video game.
I agree with you, I've seen some people in the comments jumping to conclusions thinking I'm saying don't be negative. It's funny because I never said that, infact I encourge people to talk about what they don't like or do like. If you hate something let the devs know talk to others about it, but don't need to attack other people doing it.
Look if the monster hunter team is good at one thing it’s improving the game with every entry whether it be ease of play or just quality of life so it’s unlikely wilds will be disappointing simply because it’s not the exact same formula as its predecessors
Great video. It’s just an unfortunate fact of reality that toxic people will always be the loudest so the more popular a franchise is the more toxic it’s fanbase tends to become. If you want to interact with the community you kinda just have to accept that you’ll see some toxicity. I also personally think the rise of Fromsoft games and the obsession with difficulty and playing games “right” has contributed to an overall increase in toxicity within gaming communities. (To be clear I love FS games. DS3, Sekiro, and ER are some of my favorite games of all time, but I think the culture that has formed around them is overall negative.) Also about your point on deco vs charm rng. While I personally prefer charm rng I agree with the sentiment that neither is good and we should come up with an alternative solution. The issue is there still needs to be some form of long term endgame grind to keep people playing. I know a lot of us can play MH just for the fun of it forever, but most players aren’t like that. Even I prefer having something to work towards, even if I can and do fight monsters just for fun. One possible (and somewhat crazy) solution I thought of recently is just to have both. Charm RNG and deco RNG. BUT, you can use them to affect each other. You can combine several decos together to create a charm or add a skill to a charm and you can meld charms down and be left with decos (probably not of every skill on the charm, maybe you could choose 1 or 2). This system would keep the RNG grinds that are necessary for longevity but allow you to work towards what you want far more efficiently. Combine that with a system where specific monsters are more likely to drop charms or decos of specific skills and I think it could be a really great solution.
Yo Boahnoa! Bro love saying your name haha. Thanks for the comment my guy. Yea you're right toxic people are out there, and it's apart of life, hopefully it'll get better someday around MH. It's all good if you prefer charms I also prefer them, lately though I have liked them less as I kept getting too many I didn't know what to do with haha, but I suppose once you get some good ones you just stop trying to get more right? Interesting, idea, I think RNG is still needed, it's all about getting the balance right, the idea of combing things together is awesome, i like it.
kinda funny to think that people who hated rise for the graphics would have to play 30 fps on wilds because of the requirements now. i still hope they would optimize it later on so a lot of people could play
Yea, it is funny how things go full circle. Tbh, I think those people prefer graphics over frame rate. World on base ps4 and Xbox one was 30 fps, then got sub 60 with the pro and one X
I personally don't think it's as bad as some people want to make it out to be. And I'm not saying that to discredit what you're saying What I mean is that a lot of the "issues" people have and the exact same ones they had the game prior. It just seems worse because a lot more people play now. I've been playing MH since Gen 1(yea I'm old) And I can tell you for a fact that the old Gen guys who were complaining about World were also complaining about things in Gen 4 lmao. Most of the people complaining about anomaly investigations were also complaining about investigations/guiding lands in World. It will also happen in Wilds
I'm not surprised actually, as things change people sometimes find it hard to accept those changes and that is human nature. It's good to see someone who went through all of that. You're right though it will most likely happen again. I'd like to at least give my 2 cents on the situations regardless maybe i'll change some people's mind.
@@NovaBushido it does ultimately depend on where the person is coming from, I find that it's 50/50. It's either a knee jerk reaction or they never actually played it and they just want to say something to say it, the later usual being the most vocal of the two. Here's another example. People didn't like the RNG decos in World/Iceborne and they wanted it to go back to the old system where you can craft decos but charms were random....well Rise comes along and guess what? They got exactly what they wanted and they hated it lmfao. And here's the kicker, Gen 3 and Gen 4 were just as bad because, at least for Gen 3, you had 13 different charm tables if I recall correctly but out of that 13 only like 4 were objectively good. And I can already see with Wilds people are going to bitch about the 2 weapon mechanic and they'll likely complain about the RNG decos. It's going to be the same shit just a different game at the end of the day.
I like both games in their own ways though i kind of wish MHRise Sunbreak endgame didn't become a NG+7 soulsborne run with anomaly at lvl300, those monsters be hurting a lot but they're interesting concepts XD
monster hunter veteran here since MHF on the PSP (didnt have a PS2 before) and I played borth world and rise, I liked both btw, where I put thousand of hours in both games, grinding to max level and getting "150%" achievements (the other "50%" are stuff like getting rank A on every weapon in the arena solo, collecting all certain stuff, etc.), so yeah I dont know why they cant adapt to enjoy both and stop comparing eachother, especially since the games were released on different platforms, thus limiting the devs to do stuff, e.g. Rise was mainly on the switch, so ofc they cant add stuff in the environment like world with super HD graphics without blowing the Nintendo Switch to durst with 15 FPS, but what can you expect from some players who never researched about technical issues, me as a dev myself, I can see why the team for Rise have designed like this and why World had more possibilities, even if the game was out earlier the best thing is just to ignore these players, comments and their "feedback" and just have fun with the game and other people in the community
Always nice to see a vet older than me haha. Even if people don't enjoy both that's okay, they just don't need to be a dick around not liking it, it's fine to not like something. Also good to see another dev here, and you're 100% right on rise and it's graphical output, it did well for what it was on.
I don’t think the graphics were its problem. Honestly rise is probably the most fun monster hunter out. The lore however is god awfully weak. Amatsu literally bullies everything outside the story bosses. Which is very lack luster tbh. Still playing gu just to get the hand sweaty moments. O and they robbed us with no apex armor or weapons like wtf I wanted bloodbath armor. They teased tf out me lmao
There are three hills i will die on regarding MH: -lance is perfect and the superior weapon -underwater combat was fantastic and allowed the low mobility weapons to shine (i understand how it would feel like a downgrade for the high mobility weapons) -brachydios is a great monster conceptually but looks absolutely terrible Otherwise, im just gonna keep enjoying these games like i have since '04.
I think what the real problem Is World and Rise are very different games, one has the best graphics at date and the other has the best playability at date, and that generates discussion.
been playing monster hunter faithfully since 2006 so i have seen how things have changed throughout the years. I even remember when gaijin hunter first appeared and i remember when team darkside was a tiny little unknown channel. I sound old af lmao. But my point is there has always been a level of elitism in the community it has always been there. People used to glaze MHFU AAAAAAAAAAAAAAALL THE TIIIIME but i think since mh has become main stream the love for it has grown but the negativity has grown too i think its just unavoidable. I think one of the big issues im seeing as well is that alot of people talk about whats best for the series (when like 95% of them arent even remotely qualified to make takes like that) and ppl forget to experience each mh game as its own unique thing. Mh seems to be taking a dual route of some games like wilds and some like sunbreak and i actually really like the approach tbh if they keep at it. On side feels more like old school mh while the other feels like new mh i get to exp both I like MH3U i can tell you what i like about it more than MHFU but im not gonna sit and degrade MHFU it is its own experience. It is its own mh game with its own villages, music, monsters, features, locales, and memories. I treat all mh games this way. I also still see the expansions seperate from the base. So i see World and Icebourne as seperate titles (in a way) just like rise and sunbreak. I enjoyed rise and sunbreak more. I wasnt too huge of a fan with world but i adored icebourne. This type of division will likely never go anywhere its good that we push back against it and swarm it with positivity but dont let it frustrate you or dont get lost in it i promise its not going anywhere it never has. Its ok to critique mh games ive been doing it for years but theres no need to drag it. The devs have yet to fail and deliver an mh game i hate in almost 20 years. And while i have seen some concerning practices of late (which i think are also connected to it becoming mainstream) I still have faith that even if two mh games are like day and night at the end of the day its still mh and its gonna be fucking fun lotta new players could stand to approach it that way.
LOL I always find it interesting how people make seems old a bad thing, dw bro I'm 30, 31 this year, people age it's fine just life. Anyway you're right it is in every community not just MH tbh, and that's a fact, but as it's everywhere I feel there are times people also need to say things, just a reminder to people to chillout haha. Yea bro you can like something from one place, and like something else about another, it's not a difficult concept but some people find it hard. Thanks for the comment bro, was a great read.
That was an amazing video. Your talk on the discourse between World and Rise fans hit especially hard as, personally I started with Tri as well, and World is in a really weird spot for me. I love the focus on ecology and world building, but in terms of combat, I have, and still do, hate combat in World. It just doesn't feel like monster hunter, and I have been trying to understand what people like about World's combat compared to older MH titles. It's been frustrating since most world fans just tell me to "get good" instead of actually trying to explain how combat works. I'm not even bad at World, I got to the end game of iceborne, I just don't enjoy the fights. This vitriol is a big part of why I don't look at World as fondly as I should, and why I'm so concerned about Wilds. Hearing the devs talk about how even they can't predict what the monsters can do, I'm worried it's going to be parts I disliked about World made even worse.
Bro we're basically MH brothers haha, started in the same game, felt similar as each other. Spoiler alert, i'll go into the combat of World more in my What I dislike about rise video on the weekend so hope you see that one. I understand that, how people treat you can make you hate a game, and I'm sorry you felt that way it sucks. If it didn't connect with you, it didn't connect and that's fine. Keep playing whatever you enjoy. As for Wilds, I was concerned too, but after seeing the weapon overviews it got me quite excited, so I'm looking forward to trying weapons out and seeing how it goes. Thanks for the comment, wish you the best.
@@NovaBushido Underwater will come back some day, and we will be there for that day when it comes. I try not to let those poor experiences keep me from painting World's fans or even the game itself in a negative light, which is why I'm trying to play through the game again and see if it can click. Best I got so far is that the more unpredictable movesets of World's monsters makes it hard for me to "get" how to fight them. The Wilds weapon showcases were promising, Lance and ESPECIALLY Hunting Horn are looking amazing, only thing keeping me from preordering are those computer specs and the price. You bet I'll be checking that new video when it comes, thanks for reply, hope you have a good week!
Who is actually asking "Why Wilds isn't like Rise? "Thats a take i don't think i will EVER understand. Besides its not like you won't get another portable, bossrush game alongside the main title like every generation 😬
Well with new people coming into MH they just have takes because they don't know how the series has worked in the past. Similar to how when Rise came out new players were expecting World 2
@@NovaBushido The Rise fear was a little understandable, considering certain things Capcom were saying gave the impression that rise was a main game and would be the new basis for future games. I like both styles of mh, seperately and for different reasons, but I'd choose the main games for their innovation and focus on immersing you as the hunter in a living, breathing world, over what is essentially mh, but it's nothing but the combat.
1:56 (regarding the comment) aha, and World/Iceborne totally didn’t have a horrible RNG decos where some have like a 0.000001% chance of dropping. Or hours of grinding the same shiny metallic monsters, that are just a bit stronger than their normal counterparts, with no other differences. Or the hours you had to put into the guiding lands just to level up certain biomes (they later made it easier, but it took a long time at launch). And dont get me started on the horrible RNG weapon augment system in World before Iceborne. Pure hypocrisy. I really hate it when people pretend like their favorite MH game totally didn't have the same problems as the one game they dislike. And tbh, the anomaly quests were much better than tempered monsters. The monsters felt different and you werent as limited when hunting monsters for resources (in World you were very limited when it came to gaining certain resources). Btw, it may seem like i am hating on World, but i have way more hours into World than Rise. I didn't even finish Sunbreak (i stopped before Velkhana DLC was released). I think World is much better at being immersive, especially with the wildlife. But i also realise that was the main thing World focused on, immersion, while Rise focused on combat. I also agree that they both have their good and bad parts, and i really hope that they combine the best of them in future titles, while reworking or not adding any of the bad stuff. Also: 4:57 ehm... i remember that World took like ages to load a quest/map on PS4, while Rise on switch loaded pretty fast. It was actually one of those things i disliked about World, the long ass loading screens. So why are people pretending like Rise takes ages to load on switch, compared to World on PS4? I sometimes cant get their points at all. Like do they live in a parallel universe or something? I certainly didn’t play the same games as them
It's similar to that goodwill thing, as long as people enjoy something they'll overlook many of the same flaws, and justify it being a thing in their head. I also agree Anomaly were better than tempered, I do wish it wasn't so easy to knock them out of their amped up state though. I'm glad you can see things in a fair light, regardless of which game you enjoy more. And yes haha Loading back on the base systems took forever on the for World it was pretty bad. Thanks for your comment man, was a good read.
@@NovaBushido thanks. I really don't get why people hate on a game for sometimes no reason. It's mostly either console/PC elitism, or the good old "BaD gRaPhiCs!!!" complaints. Like do they understand that the development of Rise didn't take anything away from the development of the 6th gen? (As far as I heard that Rise was mostly developed by other people). Yes it has worse graphics, but thats like the best the switch has to offer. The switch makes the franchise more accesible to more people. If they don't want that, they should stop bragging about how much MH has grown as a franchise. I have played MHFU, 3U, 4U, Generations (only base game, not ultimate), World and Iceborne and then straight to Sunbreak (only bought Rise when Subreak released). And I have to say, none of those games are bad. They all have their pros and cons as well as style. I wish we could just ignore those people who hate on other MH games and their fans, but unfortunately we can't, since they try every opportunity to attack you once you say something they disagree with.
This video is excellent and I can see how much thought and consideration was put into it, tbh there isn't much to be said but I would like to point out something. While a lot of the comments used as examples in this video are clearly bad and loosely thought out, there is still a chance for those people to redeem themselves as many have done before, I have seen the journeys of those who said they hate or didn't want to play either new gen or old gen MH give these games a try and start to enjoy themselves in a myriad of different ways. I believe that these laud individuals just do not care as much as they should about proper engagement and discussion, I don't think that they re all young either as there are many how are also proper adults that exhibit this reckless way of expression and often seem hardheaded and dumb. The best example of this is the comment that you showed about the guy who was comparing world and rise to the current state of the Pokémon games, in this we should all be quite aware about the current stagnation and degradation of the Pokémon games as they've come and gone. Or the comment about rallying together and have Sony be the sole entity in charge of the Monster Hunter series, the way both of these commenters phrased their ideas is completely wrong but when you take a look into their actual ideas in a deeper level one can clearly piece together the idea that these are people who are concerned about the future of a series that they like. I'm not saying that some of these comments are excusable, however I am saying that at least for myself I always give people the benefit of the doubt and I have hope that after a simple and short exchange of words This hostility can be somewhat cleared. I don't ever take sides on the Internet, there's no winning and there's no losing it always remains at a stagnant stalemate.
You're right, people can always change, and I hope we see that for the better, not all communities online are toxic, I've seen some really nice ones. Infact the MH community is really nice when people are just hunting having fun, it's the discourse on online forums that can get dicey. We are lucky MH keeps evolving, and let's hope it keeps on that path. Thanks for the comment, I respect it greatly.
I played both, before getting into the community. And, I''m not gonna say world should have been more like rise. It didn't have to be, and I don't expect a game made to, introduce Monster Hunter to the Mainstream Western audience to be. But, IMO, Rise feels like a better monster hunter game. World's combat is slower, but not bad. Rise, is almost the same combat, but, faster. BUT. For the two things world did better, Rise did 4-6. World has some good music, but, it feels like a rehashed summary of the prevous games, that was already summarized, in Gen Ultimate. For me, World was a familiar, but vastly different to the other games. Rise, even with the faster combat, felt more like older monster hunter. World, has graphics, and combat pace over rise. 1) Rise, had more unique weapons. (That wasn't a base weapon + Fur/Feathers/Scales.) 2) Rise let you craft gems, which, made it easier to get your build close to max stats. Yes, both games had RNG that made it hard to build your kit to perfection easily, and I HATE both. But, Rise's option felt better. 3) Rise's monster roster balance was better. Especially talking about elements here. 4) Rise's monsters were more memorable. World to me, felt flooded with wyverns and dragons. Rise had more birds, more monkeys, more fantastical creatures. 5) Rise had a more interesting/engaging story. Most of the cutscenes in world was, "WOW, LOOK AT THIS GRAPHICAL MARVEL! Oh, and, something about Nergigante, and, something about a gathering of elder dragons." Rise's cutscenes, would be difficult to summarize in one sentence. 6) The introduction to certain quests, especially those pertaining to the story, felt more carefully thought out. If you've played Rise+Sunbreak, you know the quests. And, again, both games have gimmicks, and stuff I dislike. But, they are both great games. But, as an Old World Monster Hunter fan, I enjoyed Rise far more than world.
See this is great to see, a good example of being able to say what you dislike and like without attacking someone. I also agree with much of what you said. 1-4 100% agree 5 is interesting for me, because Although Rise has a more engaging overall cast and story, there's not too many story beats, which is more like the old gen. Moving to Wilds now it seems they've got the same effort in the type of characters we have, but now the story will be more fleshed out which is awesome. Even saying that I do still have issues with Risebreak, like apexes for example... Thanks for the well constructed comment.
world was my first monster hunter game it got me hooked so good that i spent a lot of time looking up the lore. and when i got my switch, i got generation 4U, and i loved that to. it played different did not look as good but it was monster hunter at its core and i loved it as much in its own way, then rise came out, i watched videos and read comments and the dislike for it just hurt. sure it does not look as good, but still a game worthy of being in the franchise, and sure it plays different but so does the other games they all have different fresh mechanics to give a fresh way to play. when wilds comes out i will not compare it to the older games, because it will play different, and who knows maybe my main weapon will be a different kind in this one.
This drama really is the dumbest thing. It was never necessary and/or came from ideas that went too far. There's a big difference between personal criticism of a game and promoting a supposed subjective opinion. There's a lot of "sides" to take on this, but it boils down to people needing to learn to communicate effectively and ignore obvious trolling or hatred. I'm doing better in my self control over this, but i did have to disconnect from most monster hunter social media.
MH:world was my introduction to the series as a whole! so its always got a place in my heart. I love it so much i even pre-ordered rise and i enjoyed rise too. Simply because it was more monster hunter! When i picked up Gen ult i realized how kinda watered down world felt to alot of the older players. I love monster hunter. whether that is world, rise, Gen ult. Hell if they released a colouring book id buy it hehe
I used to against Rise Sunbreak when I first playing it before I start liking it, but I'll say I have to give it a lot of chance, and I don't think all people will share that same amount of patient. each weapon in both games also experience and feel very different too which affect the way people think about both games. As someone who start from World Iceborne, I kinda felt that. One thing about random deco and random talisman, there are something a bit special about having RNG in a videogame when it done right. but I think both of them could have been done better. Sure, just remove it is an easy solution, but just let it sink in for a bit, like, a bit of both for example, or RNG first then craftable later, kind of idea.
Urkikk! Always good to see you, I'm glad you gave it a try. Even for those who didn't give it a try, it'd be weird for them to bash the game again and again. You're right RNG does add a weird sense of joy when you do finally get the thing you've been hoping for. Hopefully they get the balance right this time. MMO isn't an MMO XD we don't need that crazy amount of RNG.
ill be honest, i dont enjoy the newest games as much as the older, i enjoy rise, and now i enjoy world quite a bit. but.. when world first came out on pc and i was stuck on keyboard and mouse cause all my controllers were broken? world really took its toll on me, tons of little things ate away at me, some getting fixed, some being made better over updates and when iceborne came out. i still dont enjoy world/iceborne as much as rise but i can enjoy it. my biggest grips are this: preventing people from joining the same quest until both have watched the cutscene seperately sucks, it feels bad to switch from playing together and then into a dip into a cutscene you cant skip, getting through it, and then leaving the quest and joining. and the only other thing? the handler. not that her personality is innately annoying, its the frequency of her comments in the middle of a hunt. i dont mind tutorials in low rank or commentary before or after a hunt. but hearing someone talk to me as i hunt especially an elder dragon? it just feels like it detracts from the game, shes fantastic in the actual story parts, cutscenes ect, but in the middle of my hunt i REALLY REALLY hate npcs talking to me. thats it, thats what slowly ground me down. world isnt bad, world isnt even close to bad. its great. but heres my end all be all; i dont hate the game, nor do i fail to understand that some people love the handler and want to hear her. but i dont want to. it should be an option even before youve beaten every story quest. and skipping cutscenes is generally a standard option in modern games, ill always prefer having that option. great game lovely beautiful game, but god if i personally cannot play it without muting voices. i think world is a great game, my personal experiences due to both circumstance and the nature of how i focus in hunts. over the course of 130 hours ground down my desire to play it. both the handler speaking to me during quests, multiplayer being a bit rough to play through the story together, and some weird launch jank with world on pc, i ended up having to step away from it for a year or two, and come back to it, now with a mod to mute the handler and to skip cutscenes? i enjoy rise more but world is a solid experience and with friends? fully worth every bit of its cost
Yea the world quest thing is just weird, I don't really know what they were thinking really. Thank you for sharing your experience. I also don't enjoy them as much as the older games, but I get joy from them both in different ways. multiplayer Rise can be abit much for me, I prefer solo, I think it truly shines that way. Multiplayer MH is best for me in GU just love all the craziness but also the monsters showing us whose really the badass.
In no way am I a MH Veteran, but for 5th gen personally, I think both games are good in their own way. World and Iceborne is more immersive and “realistic” with its ecology. Meanwhile, Rise and Sunbreak had good gameplay and arguably improvements to systems like the decorations. In the end, I got a better experience with Rise Sunbreak despite putting more hours into World Iceborne. Mostly due to sunbreak’s monster roster just being more diverse and cool in my opinion.
I subbed. I love monster hunter. It has been my favourite series ever since my first interaction with it. I still remember it clear as day. I bought devil may Cry 3 on playstation 2 and it came with a demo of the first monster hunter. I still have that devil may cry 3 ps2 case and disc with the monster hunter demo in it. I was so fascinated I ordered the game online. It took like a week but monster hunter arrived in the mail. And I have been playing monster hunter games now for 20 years. I love monster hunter so much. And I am just tired of the last few years the MH community being so full of hate and bullshit. I ended up stepping back and not engaging with the community for awhile and cuz of a few unhinged bad apples that started with world. I mean I even grew contempt towards world/iceborne but now that is gone and I recently did a few hunts in world. I plan to go back at some point and 100% my guild card and max my HR and MR at some point before Wilds comes out
I feel like if Capcom listened to all of this, we'd have a situation like ubisoft. Innovation is good, people. Yes, you can spend days arguing about how X is better than Y, but why does Y need to be exactly like X in the first place? I'm almost certain a lot of people would go back on their words real quick if they were ever made a reality at face value.
I feel like each MH game does something great, that you might not like, but it seperates the games. Like (imo) if you want the truest OG MH experience, play Dos. if you want the best online experience, play Tri. if you want the best singleplayeer experience, play 4U. if you want the most quantity, play GU. if you want the best immerserve experience, play World. if you want the best action experience, play Rise. Those are just my opinions ofc, but I think because how each game does something good differnelty, it clashes with people, because everyone prefers something else. It's ofc just sad if people are this toxic, but I wouldn't know, I never was on Twitter, and I cannot believe that many people are still on that site in 2024. I only talk to the people I meet ingame, and later on Discord, and that's chill for the most part.
And I think your opinions are great, I don't know why but you saying tri at the online experience sticks out to me, I can always remember it for some reason, I don't know what it did so good.
@@NovaBushido There are good reasons why fans tried to hard to bring back the online servers for Tri: First of all it had dedicated servers, that you could all see and select at once. Each "gate" could have up to 100 people. You could not see those players, but you could talk with them. Then at those gates you select and created your specific rooms (called a city), or used a "search board" for cities that suits your need. It basically gave you a feeling of just walking into the online mode, and see what ever other people are doing, without to specifically need to look for certain type of criteria. In World or Rise for examble, even if you select nothing, it will limit your options. Unlike in Tri, where you can see every server and every region (the only seperations were japan / NA / PAL regions, but the fan servers are worldwide available), and thus you can join whatever city that peaks your intrest if you have no specific goal in mind. I feel like this gave the community a much stronger sense of community than any other MH game ever since. Next up is the chat system. In Tri it was very simple, but MUCH better than what we have in World or Rise. You simple press "enter" on your keyboard, the chat starts, you press enter again, to send the message. In World and Rise they made that process alone much more troublesome. If you want to select a specific person, you just press the tab key. In World for examble, you have so many different channels, and its hard to navigate. In Tri it doesent matter if you are in quest or not, as long as you are in a city everyone can see your chats. In World you either have the choice of people who are not in a quest (even if just selected), people that are in your own quest, or EVERYONE. So if select a quest, and then wanna talk to people that not joined your quest, you will need to select "everyone in this session", so even those people that are currently on a quest hunting, have to see your conversation that is happening in the lobby itself. But like I said, in Tri its simple all, or if you want to be specific just tab until the person that you wanna talk to is selected. And also how small the chat is in both Rise and World. In Tri it's a nice big bubble in the left side, with a ton of space to talk. It confuses me how they never got it right after Tri. I sometimes feel like Capcom dont want people to communicate on modern MH games, or else the chat system would be a bit better. (Especially Rise on PC. I dunno what they were thinking of making the chat be in THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN!!!! I mean, imagine you hunt and just wanna type something quick, allmost impossible on PC. I mean, I only played the PC and Switch version. In Switch its a lil better, but dunno how it looks on PS and Xbox. But either way, the chat system is so much better in Tri. And there are sales, which are not just random, but different each real life day. I know it sounds silly, but I allways like this factor, as if they really have a sale that day. Then there is the one big event, Jhen Mohran. A few days before Jhen shows up, the lobby gets a lil bit more sandy. You can see it in the sky especially. And then when Jhen is available as the quest, the whole lobby is covert in a sandstorm. It was so damn cool and the atmosphere was point on. I loved that. Sure, World has festivals, and I love those too, I hope they return in Wilds, however, they are simple just "fun". The sandstorms of Loc Lac tho, they were part of the lore, it felt like this is an actual event. Imagine if during Savis sieges the lobby would change, Idk some more guards, or more people preparing to battle, you see in the distance monsters flying away, the music changes to a more series theme. And maybe on the maps, you could see those lights, even during normal hunts. Like showing that Savi is training the energy of the areas newby. Idk, just making up something to give an idea how to make an event feel like an actual event. Basically, take advantage of the fact that MH is an onlinemulitplayer game. Yes, those things will get lost without servers, but you cannot replicate an event feeling, when it is available all the time. I like that feeling of "now shit just got serious". And the last thing, a lil bit more my own opinion than just facts: But I prefer how monster NOT scale online. MH is imo an multiplayer driven experience. By giving people the chance to solo stuff, simply by scaling, you give away sooo much of the core experience. Yes, stuff may be tough solo. But hey, thats why you have to go out, find people, and hunt together. Yes, hunting Alatreon in World is a challenge, but it feels a lot easier, knowing that it scaled down to you. Soloing Alatreon in Tri? Thats badass. You basically soloed an elder dragon made for four people. But yes, thats not really my point. My point is more about that by making MH more mainstream, more casual, it loses a lot of its original identity. I allways incourage people to go online, find people to play with, talk to them, maybe even build friendships. Sure, people solo play MH, and I let them enjoy the game, dont worry about that. But I cannot denie I feel that they should play other games, like Dragons Dogma. I think other games have much better singleplayer expierences. World, Rise, and even Wilds, all look more like games that are suppose to be played solo first, and then once you finished everything, go online. Like as if multiplayer is an afterthought. I know I wrote a lot, but I dunno how else I could describe it. The fan servers arent that full, but back in Tris day, man, those were the days. I dunno what else to say, but Tri focused so much on the online aspect, compared to any other MH game I played.
I very rarely comment on videos like this, but as someone where my first MH game was the freedom unite on the PSP and bought a Wii U for MH 3 ultimate. Both rise and worlds did things better than each other. Without talking about gracias fidelity or the sound scape to which there is no point. From rise I prefer the weapon mechanics and ability to change some skills, Rise also have some very interesting monsters I hope to see again and it was nice they brought back some of my favorites. From world I prefer the in general slower combat, I personally also prefer random deco crafting over random charms. But neither is great. The maps and areas in general I prefer worlds, I also overall like the cast of monsters a lot more in worlds. But Nergi also became one of my favorites, and Braccy is always amazing. Both are good games.
Ive always preferred the Ichinose or 'portable' games from 3rd gen onwards Theyve always been more dynamic than the main console releases and polish a lot of rough edges But I still think both are great
I love seeing someone address the issue. I'm from Brazil, and the MH community here stinks. Say you like rise more than world, and you'll be hit with hateful comments. Even major Brazilian content creators were spreading false information about rise while glorifying world. I hate what this community has turned into.
World brought new people to Monster Hunter, that dont understand the series past. Mainline titles and portable was always different, portable always were more experimental and os actually the ones that inovate the most. World was actually an anomaly, since the portable was always the ones that sold more titles, you can say that before World, the B team was actually the A team.
Any game that is being released on consoles will be worse than that same game would be if only released on PC because the console makers require the developer to lock in a final version sooner than Steam and Epic do. Meaning the developer has more time to polish the game. Day one updates help, but even those have to be approved, which is way fixes to bugs in PC versions of games that do not have cross play happen faster.
Indeed they do, which makes sense from developers, the more people being able to play their games the better. But console fans are gate keep gRaPhIcS need to know they aren't the top dogs💀
@@NovaBushido it doesn't help that the gRaPhIcS often confuse art style with graphics. I briefly made that mistake when I was younger and Legend of Zelda Wind Waker came out. At first I was upset because I thought it was a step back from Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, but I was wrong. It actually has better graphics than the other two, just a more childish art style. Wind Waker ended up being my favorite Zelda game to date even though I prefer a more realistic art style. Not a one to one with World and Rise, but still a factor in video game discourse.
Some people, for whatever reason, have decided that their opinion is worth more than another’s. I played World with a guy for a while, he was from Egypt (I’m American) who refused to let us bring certain weapons on hunts. He particularly hated The Hunting Horn even though ME using the HH was how me and my 3 friends beat Raging Dio the first time 😅 Point is: everyone has their own pool of experiences. I, however, am not stupid enough to think that someone else is incapable of thinking in a way that I simply can’t or maybe struggle in. A Sword and Shield user helped me beat Fatalis for the first time 🤷🏻♂️ a lot of ppl say it’s a support weapon but that dude was goblin mode. I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE monster hunter rise. I’m not kidding I think it’s worth less than the last dump that I took. HOWEVER, anyone who likes Rise, ALSO likes Monster Hunter. How can I hate on a fellow Hunter? It’s one thing if someone has a factual piece of info wrong. Like saying Teostra is weak to fire- it’s simple wrong. You aren’t worse at the game for not knowing, but it’s incorrect- saying that LS is better than SnS is an opinion. Know the difference 😂
Damn that's strange to see someone like that, but tbh I had a similar experience online back in MHtri, people didn't like me bringing lance, they thought I did no damage, so they told me to play something else, doesn't feel good when they do that. (I only tell my friends to play something else if I know they're just keep on dying with it XD). Keep playing whatever you like man and enjoy yourself doing it.
Love the video, but the specs bit is a trash take. And I say that as someone with a high end pc who won’t have a problem. The specs make zero sense, and use frame gen at 30 fps. You should check out Digital Foundry’s video on it, they were dumbfounded. Edit: I mean c’mon, having a 40 series card and not even hitting 60 fps at 1080p *medium* settings is completely insane lol.
Glad you liked it, I didn't mean to come across as defending Capcom for their optimisation, if you need frame gen that's weird coming from these 'powerful' 8th gen consoles. My point was people who say people who want MH on switch would hold the game back, but consoles hold PC gaming back. People should stop looking down on others for their gaming mechanic of choice. I hope that makes sense, regardless thanks for letting me know you feel that way.
Played charge blade on base rise. Didn't finish the game because I think they butchered the core concept of the weapon. No point in guard points, charging phials and weaving combos, what's that? Just spam the counter and directly go into SAED.
5th Gen basically exposed the series to a lot of unsightly people who then acted like they knew best for the franchise and discriminated upon fans of other entries.
nah ... more like world attracted bad fans, then some veterans think fence-sittinv makes them look more intelligent,
and then there is RISE that OBJECTIVELY improved everything, and people are mad because you DON'T need a ps5 to actually play it at 60 fps.
Rise is the better game ... end of story ...
@@zarodgaming1844 case in point. You’re part of the problem, tourist. We don’t want you in the community.
Great way of putting it.
@@zarodgaming1844 this energy is literally no better than what the rise haters bring
Go to therapy
@@V2ULTRAKill proving my point.
I am arguing for objective truth, in which we are all brothers and in the same boat.
You instead only elevate yourself, throwing me out as if I didn't have a right to exist.
That ... that is precisely what i was talking about. Thank you 🙏
Every Monster Hunter game is peak
Damn right
Best take
No you’re wrong
MH Diary Poka Poka Felyne village is the best, cause funny cat village
@@razzsmurup8291 Truly the dark souls of Monster Hunter
Monster Hunter NOW exists :\
The Gen 5 toxicity doesn’t bother me to be honest. What does get irritating is my fellow “veterans” claiming that every new MH post 4th gen sucks.
Hmm yea that is a shame, I get they may not like them as much and that's fine but it's not all trash.
I know this is all anecdotal, but I haven’t personally seen a whole lot of that.
What I have seen is people say they think 4U is the best, and a load of new players popping up to tell them the old games are archaic trash and that they’re blinded by nostalgia.
Having started with MHTri on the Wii, my favourite MH is Iceborne, followed by Sunbreak, so exceptions exist. Quite a few, actually. I see tons of people who claim GenU to be their favourite, for example.
Maybe you just met toxic vet 😂😂😂 As veterans who play since MH PS2 era... I'll love every new MH game cause new gen new monster to hunt 🤣🤣🤣
As someone who's spent the better part of the last 6 months bouncing between Rise and World like a pinball with ADHD, comparing World and Rise is the most absurd thing to me. Other than being Monster Hunter games at their core, they are two completely different games that provide two completely different experiences. They aren't meant to be compared and contrasted, they're meant to be enjoyed on their individual merits.
Haha I like the way you started that comment. Tbh I can see why people compare, humans like to do so, and that's fine, people just don't need to be a dick doing it.
I love both games for different reasons and keep jumping between them as well.
That's so right, they both have different feels, to me
Mhi - Feel like you are the bottom of the food chain and fight against the top one on every encounter
Mhs - You're an anime protagonist that fight the monster that cause threat to your village
I vibe more with Iceborn but that doesn't mean Sunbreak is bad, but people are so entitled to "if me don't like then it's bad!" mentality it's scary
It just completely drained the fun out expressing love for the series. There's always been a level of elitism but never on this scale. Now it stains every corner of the community. Even ppl already trying to write off Wilds because its not more grounded like World or fast like Rise.
I have seen that, and it sucks it's that way, I'd hope people would wait and see as the game is closer to release to give their final decisions.
Also hope you enjoy it when it comes out.
@NovaBushido it will take a lot for me to not enjoy a MH game. There was a dark period after 3U where I got burnt out and I couldn't put the time into 4U and ended up missing out. Then i skipped GU entirely. World reignited my drive and taught me there's limits lol. Rise brought me back to old days and i adored it for that too. Everything about Wilds looks like the culmination of MH. We are in for a treat.
That's because monster hunter is now mainstream in the west because you guys were completely fine with masses of new ppl joining thinking that they'll respect monster hunter as a franchise as much as you
"Not grounded like world" sorry??
@@acrane3496 time and time again it's proven that normies ruin gaming
Wow, the benefits of being a sane person that doesn't hate just for the sake of hating and instead enjoying all the games has become all too clear.
I just play whichever one I feel like playing at that moment. Fast, high octane combat? Sunbreak it is. Craving some epic hunts? Iceborne it is. Classic with a bit of spice? GU is my go to. Full classic? 4U.
What a chad, that's the benefit of having options! Prehaps if capcom released a collection of the old games this will also help more people have as many options as possible.
If I was to say "full classic" it would be 3U rather. Due to the gameplay being very old fashioned. No jump attacks, no ledge climbing with weapon unsheath, stuff like that.
And if I wanted to say "prehistoric" then MH2/MH1 of course lol.
4fetUs is now considered classic ?
Maybe you should join Gajin and his Tribabies followers in that corner
Unironically, FU was the last "true" Monster Hunter game
@@brojakmate9872 Eeeeh I wouldn't go that far. FU was a good game but also borrowed that prehistoric game design MH1 and MH2 had without actually having the same gameplay because you would get a lot of buffs from these games or also get attacks done with buttons and not the right stick. MH3 actually was the last game using that right stick gameplay (though you also could use buttons). Iirc even 3U on the Wii U never implemented it back.
Now this should also be mentionned that if we're truly neat picky, then MHF2 and FU are much easier games than MH1, MHFreedom and MH2 which all had much higher stamina consumption and smaller item inventory because it was only 2 pages instead of 3 pages in Freedom 2/Freedom Unite.
That's why 3rd gen Monster Hunter is still pretty legacy gameplay wise if we take that in the equation, FU has less gameplay differences from MH3 than MH1/2 to FU.
The evolution was pretty smooth till 4th gen, which was built differently but not necesserily easy peasy neither.
I still used to play 3U from time to time until my upper screen broke on my 3DS. Got a new one screen but still need to change the broken one with the new one.
When I still had a ps2 I was still playing the first game. Same with the freedom games when I still had a psp.
If I got a psp again I might still go back to the older games.
I am definitely going back to 3U once I fix my screen and I definitely still go back to GU.
4U I don't go so much back to cuz I got my hunter to max HR and G but I also got my guild card 100%
I am planning to go back to world at some point too before wilds come out too as well. I recently jumped on world not so long ago did a few hunts. Noticed that they finally fixed the clutch claw and that it is nowhere near as bad as it used to be and is actually okay now.
I wanted to go back to world for a long time but because of idiots who started with world being toxic and simping hard and are too dumb to understand that you can love something and still criticize it and defending world even against valid criticism I started garnering contempt towards world. I had to stop interacting with those type of people to start loving world again.
I got over 2000 hours on all the games so far and I still need to max on HR and MR/G and 100% my guild card on Freedom Unite, 3U, GU, world/iceborne and on Rise/sunbreak
Edit: If I combine all the hours in the games I am 100% sure I would have over 15000 hours of my life spend on the Franchise 😂
It's normal, MH being now a bigger community means a lot more people are toxic.
Yea I think you're right on that.
This video isn't about debating between each games, it's about the situations around the games, going from 4th gen to 5th gen. It makes sense to me that people are disappointed and have a favourite other another. That's the benefit of having games that are different as they go along. MH3U isn't like 4U and 4U isn't like World (In the case of mainline). GU and Rise are also different, and as you play more games, they'll be one game you'll fall in love with more than another and that's fine.
When talking to other hunters, let's keep it civil at the very least if you have disagreements. And if you think I'm a Rise stan you'd be wrong my Favourite game is GU and then after that 3U 😈
Hope you enjoy the Video and can't wait for Wilds.
Cant wait for the wilds vs next ichinose game discourse to start for 6th gen
Since the tone and speed gap between main console and portable mh has been growing since 4th gen
Both World and Rise brought in snobs that act like either or was the first game in the series.
Yea and it sucks.
Keep in mind that in an investor meeting, they asked Capcom why not release the game in December to capitalise on holiday sales. Capcom responded in a polite way, telling them to F off, and they wanted to release it in a better state a little later. Considering that the demo is hitting 60 fps more often than not on a PS5, I'm sure the performance won't be too bad on release... taking into account the latest demo we've seen would be a few months old already.
Good point, I forgot about that piece of info. I haven't talked about performance at large yet, but when the game comes out and we know more I can talk about that part.
Thanks for the info bro.
did they delay dragons dogma 2 despite knowing the garbage performance it still currently have?
@francistein8409 If I remember correctly, they did delay it a little, but the problem is DD2 was seemingly a sacrificial lamb for Wilds. I have no way of providing evidence for this, but Capcom loves to test things out using the players. Tampered monsters and extreme Behemoth as scaling for master rank, Doggos in Rise leading in to legally distinct Chocobos in Wilds, Behemoth's agro mechanic baked in to Wilds and most likely the RE engine on DD2 being used to test open worlds.
@@DarthHuggyBearsameway capcom is testing the player to use upscaling + framegen to hit 60fps on medium?
@bruhirl1023 I don't think we'll need frame gen to hit 60 fps on a 2070, but rather to keep it at 60. Again, look at the latest showing 60fps most of the time on a PS5, on a build most likely a few months old. The performance will most likely be better show after show, but we won't have a solid idea how it will perform on PC until we get a demo or they outright show us with spec details. Also, keep in mind it's a miracle that World even runs on both console and PC.
The whole debate is basically just a branch of the console wars
Yea which is said, I'm 99.99% sure if it was made and built for the ps4/pc/xbox at the time, it woudln't of been a problem for people as much.
The graphics argument is the only thing that makes my head hurt. Its not even a serious downgrade like ps4 to ps2 graphics, and honestly its pretty much the same from my eyes. Maybe because I started on older gen that graphics isnt really an issue to any game as long as the gameplay is fun.
The person complaining that Monster Hunter is a game that should only be on Sony consoles should be stuck with MH1 graphics.
Hell, they'd at least have an easier time than the people who had to play on 3DS. I had a 3DSXL and even that hurt my eyes with the tiny screens and hurt my hands with the way you have to hold it, and let's not even get started on the times I accidentally hit the power button because my pinky was there trying to support the thing. (EDIT: Also from my understanding MH:FU PsP players got it even worse, so I can hardly complain.)
If you think that World is better than Rise, but your only argument is that the graphics were better, then you are completely missing out on so many great aspects of these games and I feel bad for you.
Thanks for the comment.
I personally can see a difference, but I never played MH for graphics, I always played for the gameplay.
As a rise fan that played the wilds demo I can tell you the graphics are nice to look at and at times are impressive but they didn't really blow me away as much a I thought it would. Personally I was in it for the gameplay so "good" or "bad" graphics isn't a deal breaker or maker for me.
It has always been the case, where players with higher spec consoles/pc dump on consoles like switch, since they feel superior
Honestly there are even times where i think that rise looks better than world thanks to art style (specifically from monsters using elements like teostra's fire or valstrax' dragon)
As a whole tho both games look really good
Ok I will say what I felt about Rise before and after playing the game.
Before I start playing Rise, I got big doubt on my head when I heard stuff that doesnt feel natural to MH like parry-centric plannings overthrowing positioning and spacing, heavily designed for wirebugs, streamlined resource management, changes to chugging potions, changes to bows and guns, and many many more!! And to no surprise, I really hated alot of them! Unlike many people, I tried to be better version of myself and try to find the answer on why Rise have this changes by playing it. It didnt change my view on disliking it but I can't lie that I actually have a fun experience. This fun experience of learning and adapting to the environment is the biggest draw of Monster Hunter for me. It gained my respect at some aspect. I had fun and I am fine with how short-lived the fun factor of MH Rise vanilla.
Tackling Rise made me realize that I am very open to anything similar to Monster Hunter and God Eater. I learned my lesson.
And that experience is totally fine, you saw something you didn't lie, it's fine to express it. You gave it a try at least and I respect that.
Thanks for sharing Sora, always good to see you in the comments.
Excellent video dude!
When it comes to the World vs Rise discourse I always fall back on the trusty food analogy. The Monster Hunter series is like a cake shop, where each new cake they bake has its own unique flavor and texture, but at their core share that unique Monster Hunter special sauce- or cake batter I should say. With each new recipe the formula slowly evolved (more weapons, monsters, environments, mounting, etc.) and the fanbase of the shop grew.
Some people still prefer the older recipes, and while those cakes all have their merits, the "World Cake" is what really made the shop a global phenomenon. Some of the unique flavor the older recipes had was undoubtedly lost, but in return MILLIONS of people were able to learn about the shop and become fans, and the older recipes were still there to try out for those who were hungry for more.
Then came Rise, which was a far more experimental cake. It was smaller than World, it's taste and texture was generally less appealing than World, and it was easy to see how those who went in expecting something close to the World cake were disappointed. To a small (but VERY vocal) minority, it was so distasteful that they even began assuming that every future cake would now be Rise flavored, and that those who enjoyed the Rise cake we're somehow beneath them.
The Rise cake enjoyers naturally clapped back, with some pointing out that Rise still carries the special MH cake batter, despite being a different shape and flavor, and that there is more to the shop than just the World cake. However, there was also a small vocal minority of Rise enjoyers who gave into anger and became just like the World fans, seeing World cake enjoyers as lesser fans and lesser people.
And that's where we find ourselves now. Capcom has been going around giving out free samples of their latest Wilds cake, and World fans are rejoicing as most of the Rise flavor is gone. Not all of it, of course, we still have some frosting (moves) here and there that are straight from Rise, but it seems the flavor will be more globally appealing this time around. In the end, the special formula has been preserved, as always. It was never lost, it's just altered slightly in every recipe. As long as the MH cake shop keeps baking its cakes like this, I will be there to enjoy them.
TL;DR : Rise and World are just different flavors of MH. You are not better or worse for preferring one over the other. Just because a game doesn't appeal to your tastes doesn't mean the entire franchise is ruined forever.🍰
Haha great analogy, tbh people act like it's something crazy, people always have favourites in all different types of things, I'd be shocked if we all had the same favourites.
And maybe you like little parts of each cake, that's also cool. Nothing wrong with that.
Thanks for the comment bro.
Well put my friend
I think which entry is your favorite has a lot to do with what weapon you main. As a lance main, the reason I genuinely disliked Rise is because they ruined a lot of what made lance great in World/IB.
As a weapon that already is very hungry for decos and skills just to make the shield function, that made it worse by making things like guard up require 3 ranks to function the way it did with one rank in world.
This in conjunction with how poorly implemented the wire bug skills were implemented for Lance at launch, it left a bad taste in my mouth I just couldn’t ever wash out.
I’m sure others have the exact opposite experience where the Rise version of their weapon is so good they can’t go back to world. I wonder why more people don’t talk about this.
Anyways, buff Lance pls
Damn that's interesting cos I'm a lance main, but World is not my favourite. I had more fun in GU with lance so going to world I missed having arts and styles and mixing up my play style time to time. But that's just me.
ALWAYS BUFF LANCE MY GUY, we need it :P. Hope to talk more lance with ya in the future
Lance is functionally perfect. There have been nerfs to it in every generation, and it still reliably slays.
Regarding the skills that make it really shine in Rise: Barroth mail. Full set. You have to throw on a deco here and there to max those skills, but it is very simple to accomplish. It might be better than the Steel Uragan mail for ultimate lancer armor.
People can have their gripes about the games i like them both for different reasons but the one thing i can't stand is people putting one game down but never even played it and just talk about graphics like mh hasn't been a handheld game or a Nintendo console exclusive for a majority of it's life or how the other game is too slow but ignore the older games where combat was even more weighted.
Indeed, there's nothing wrong with having gripes, it's normal, it's just the way people express and attack others I have a problem with.
Same, extremist Sony fanboys playing games purely for graphics instead of just playing to enjoy the GAMEplay. I don't love MHRise's look after coming from World but god damn does it get tiring to throw the console wars into this discussion and just berating everything purely because of an asinine take like that. If I wanted graphics, I'd watch a movie...
Sure, but at the same time it's also important to respect that those gripes might actually be with a mechanic that someone else loved, and that's normal with a franchise that likes to experiment with its mechanics. Plenty of people that loved the wirebug mechanic received a lot of hate for it, to the point of being told they were ruining the franchise. Very uninformed, since it assumed wirebugs were aimed to be the future of the series when they clearly were just a one time mechanic to give Rise its unique spin, and kind of self-centered, assuming that the game is made essentially just for them...
@@MusicCometCalling out Sony fans for this when World is on Xbox and PC too is a little odd lol. You might want to let go of the console war, my friend.
@@CaptainEffort I said Sony fans because of the posts I saw in the video itself which came from the Sony bad apples. I don't expect Xbox and PC people to be complete angels either but I'm specifically referring to the comments that were like "MH deserves to be on the superior console!". You might want to try again.
What I don't get is why people would compare the same generation with the same generation
I think because it's easier for people to do so since they are close to releasing people like to do it often. And also because it's an easy hot topic to get views.
But what's curious to me after reading your comment, I don't see many World players compare GU and World, they came out at the same time basically. Strange...
It's because world players refuse to acknowledge that there was monster Hunter before world
If you're talking about "World vs Rise" then it's simply because the games are quite different from each other. If they were practically the same then people wouldn't be comparing and contrasting them the way they do now. Hell, Generations Ultimate and 4 Ultimate are sometimes compared to each other, mostly because Generations has the whole 'styles' system that is pretty polarizing among the community.
The actual problem is people perceive their preference as absolute truths. It's like someone who likes to put cream in their coffee telling someone who likes their coffee black that they are incorrect for liking it that way.
@@Bringingmoneyback or maybe it is because rise players refuse to aknowledge that some people prefere the other games.
@@Dr.AvenVon take a joke I get it's hard to read sarcasm online but good Lord
I like Rises combat, I like worlds ecology. Depending on what I'm feeling in the moment, I change which game I play.
Nice man, that's ideally what people should be like haha, it's really not that hard.
Same, wilds seems to be a mix of both. I loved movement in rise too.
I think personally Every monster hunter game has their own unique charm do I think that they have flaws Yeah and do I think that there should be a competition of what games better then the other no, because in the end of the day every monster hunter game can be fun depends on the preference so if you enjoy playing any of the monster hunter games you really absolutely love than play it there should be no need for toxic or Judgment behavior thats all i have to say for every fellow hunter in this beautiful community
I do 100% agree with your video and you did a fantastic job my friend 💜
Competition is good, I find it enjoyable. Thanks for sharing your words, hope you have a nice day.
Honestly and purely anecdotally, I rarely see people attacking Rise. I see a lot more attacks on World from Rise fans.
Yup and then they act like victims too it's really strange
@@emeka490 Like I said, it's all anecdotal, but... yeah. I see a lot of people that enjoy Rise having an almost victim mentality on it and I just don't see that many negative comments towards their take on Rise, it's usually negative comments directed at their negative disposition or how they come across.
You aren't getting unjust hate when your comment is literally "Rise good, World bad" (They are both fun, everyone shut up)
It's the other way around trust me.
On twitter, Reddit or my other community platform, 99,9% of the comments could say they prefer one over the other but they still like both.
But brother the rest of the comments:
-rise is trash
-They should put those -recourses into gen 6
-Graphics are bad
-Why is it made on a handheld? (Like eh?🤨)
-monsters are trash (in design or overall)
@@bluefiredemon448 This. I have been on so many different posts in steam(often seeing world console stans dissing Rise in the rise discussion forums), reddit, youtube comments and the videos themselves. It's really not hard to find.
It may be anecdotal, I saw rised attacked a lot back when it was coming out, during it's launch, the announment. Also when the return to world events happened.
Rise fans attacked but as a relatiation to that over bitterness. But in the end it doesn't matter. That's what my video is saying, if you dislike something that's fine.
But attacking each other is pretty lame. There's things I don't like about both games, and some I love, I still have a favourite MH game, no issue with that.
You just arrived to the party. Every Monster Hunter game is a stand alone. You adapt to the village culture. Monster Hunter been around for 20 years. If anyone toxic about Monsters Hunter your not a fan or hunter. Just a casual gamer.
True that! We don't need vibes like that round here.
Honestly that’s a very fair point
I’m sure there’s gonna be some things in wilds that were in Rise (like controllable mounts) that people who refused to play rise are gonna love. But they’ll never give rise credit for testing out the idea and liking it enough to make it a thing. And rise was originally going to have load screens for areas but after worlds success they decided to make the maps fully loaded in even tho the game was already in development. The hunting horn in wilds even has the same move that was a silk bind move in rise. Both games did great things and the great things in both will make wilds an even better game.
Yea the mount is a great example of that, people will like it but that's the advantage of an on going series like MH, they keep adding the good parts and the games ideally will keep evolving, hope people see that.
Thanks for the comment.
yeah and the palamute riding system was an expansion on the Raider rides in world its great to see how its evolved from its inception in World to Rise and now Wilds with the Sekrets.
Hope switch skill or some kind of move set customization returns because I like some parts about wilds controls and weapon changes but then there is the change they made to the switch axe thay made the attack that leads to the stamina swing a running charge attack with really throw me off. Hope that it's possible to change so that I can configure it to be more suited to my preferred move set.
about the deco vs tali part, I'm a firm believer that RNG talisman is the lesser evil. Never obtaining a crucial decoration for a build breaks the experience but there isn't a "crucial" talisman, thinking about a world bow user that never gets Mighty Bow deco for example even after a thousand hours (definitely an experience I had with a different weapon in World, it was aggravating).
But I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to how they're improving RNG decos in Wilds. Looks like they will be split into categories that we can inspect before selecting a hunt, reducing the size of the table of possible decorations we could be getting and narrowing it down further to what we're looking for.
i agree and i'm one of the few who doesn't mind RNG decos, except the fact that there's no way to tailor it and that's what seperates it for me
*why oh WHY capcom* does the umpteenth fire dragon drop frost jewels? why am i 400 hours in and not a single attack 4 jewel among plenty of other ones
talismans feel so much better. i can actually try to go for a certain build not just pray that the 634th day of fucking ruin quest will give me the one jewel i want
I also prefer talismans, but maybe that's due to me being an old head. I'm interested to see how it works in Wilds. MH isn't an MMO and I think in World they did lean that way, perhaps just by having the rates lower could be a good way of dealing with it.
Regardless of that thanks for watching and the comment.
There are absolutely "crucial" talismans
Build up boost/frostcraft for greatsword as an example
The amount of damage those skills add is massive to the point you do more damage with better armor and worse decos but those skills on a talisman
Than being forced to wear velk armor for frostcraft even with perfect decos
@@V2ULTRAKill I guess I didn't see it from a GS perspective, the main weapons I use are Lance, Hunting Horn and Insect Glaive with a side of Charge Blade, Gunlance and small amount of Sword and Shield and Dual Blades. I guess that might be an issue that showed up as they added some of those notorious skills to talisman table as they weren't there at first.
@@SirBanana1992 yeah it's bad for weapons that desire frostcraft THAT much
In world it was so bad that GS wanted to kill AT velk before fatalis to have good frostcraft armor
And in rise it is mandatory to have at least 2 points of frostcraft or build up boost on a talisman because you can't max both with just qurious crafting
It's always strange for me seeing arguments like this as World was my first MH game with rise ofc being my second... and I love both of them equally. Different games offer different experiences, naturally people have their subjective preferences to these factors - Depsite this some players feel the need to gatekeep how the game should be or how it used to be.
I'm just here to enjoy the ride haha, love the video man
Keep enjoying my guy, and I'll keep it up!
The great thing about online communities is you can completely ignore them and they can't affect you in any way at all.
That is true
This video can be summed up as: Remember the human. Be civil. (Or 'Be excellent to each other' if you prefer movie quotes.)
I don't really use social media like -Twitter- X or Facebook, and I've only recently started doing stuff in comments sections for Monster Hunter RUclips videos due to MH:Wilds hype and having way too much free time. It was my understanding that co-operative games such as Monster Hunter, Warframe, Guild Wars, Deep Rock Galactic, etc. typically fostered the best gaming communities simply because of their co-operative nature. Seeing the outright hostile comments people in the community have is giving me whiplash, and almost makes me embarrassed to say that I'm a MH fan.
In my opinion, it is legitimate to compare aspects of Monster Hunter World and Monster Hunter Rise, and even 'old school' games to the current ones. Most of the time when people are comparing these games they are saying they want future games in the series to be similar to their preferred game, or they want certain features to become mainstays or certain features to never show up again.
Being a complete douche, on the other hand, is never legitimate.
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I will go slightly off-topic since you mentioned Guild Wars... since it's kind've funny how much we deviate here. My brother had Guild Wars 1 but I never actually got to play it. Then years later I was there for the release of Guild Wars 2 and I played it a bit, put it down for a few years, then picked it back up again somewhat more recently (around the time Icebrood Saga was going on, IIRC). Now on to the point. It seems like you prefer Rise over World, and I prefer World over Rise, and Rise is considered the 'faster paced' game while World is the 'methodical' one. Meanwhile, from my understanding Guild Wars 1 is much more strategic (slower) than Guild Wars 2 (faster), and it seems you prefer GW 1 while I prefer GW2 (granted, I haven't played GW1). I don't know, I just thought it was funny how that adds up.
Haha well sort of yes, but in my own style of doing things, people get messages clearer when you paint a nice picture and don't just preach to them.
Comparing is fine, we all have wants, I want GU2, will I get it? Probably not LOOL, but I still want it.
Haha yea that is kinda funny, I do prefer Rise over World yes, and GW1 over GW2 in defo in pve. GW2 WvW back in the day was my shit. Anyway I suppose it is funny in an ironic why, but I wouldn't say it's funny in a your flip floppy way. I'm a nuanced person in many ways, there are certain thing I connect with for different ways.
For GW1 it wasn't the slow combat itself, it was the theory crafting and team mechanics, I find them so interesting, I can talk about them forever. The gameplay itself is outdated and slow yes, but I expect that due to it's era and for everything else around it.
Thanks for the interesting comment.
Started off as a portable third player back in the old days of ppsspp. When world came out the new mechanics were definitely overwhelming. Heck having no area loading screen was alien to me. Yet I'm glad the soul of Theseus remained throughout those 5 years since I last played P3rd. It's definitely not the same ride but the journey was just as enjoyable for both. It'd be a no brainer to compare the features of a sailboat and a jetski. The takeaway here is whatever floats your boat.
Damn right, people should play what they enjoy and if they like it more than something else that's fine. Makes perfect sense to me, just don't be annoying about it :P.
Great comment.
10 year ago Monster Hunter fans never. Never fought each other about Monster Hunter games. We were happy a new game was coming. We supported each other. Now new players just arguing....why ...it makes no sense about a co op only game. Rise was a test of Capcom new RE engine. Every Monster Hunter game prior used a 20 year old engine.
Trueee Even World was built on a beefed up engine from the past, Rise is the first one on a new engine.
@@NovaBushido Monster Hunter is the only game to ever exits that's hard to describe to others. It's a Culture game. One of a kind. Culture in the sense each game in the series adopted the hunting habits of that village. That's why each game stood alone. And popular hunting cultures carried on.. I don't have a RUclips channel but hope for years someone would explain the culture of Monster Hunter. This info came straight from the creator s not me years ago.
For a cooperative series, there is so much division in the downtime between entries. I've been playing since 3U on both systems and I've never witnessed this much of a divide. There were some for sure in the older games like 4U and Gen being drastically different and some hating that. Regardless, I'm here to play Monster Hunter and have a good time.
Good point, you normally expect this from a pvp game. Perhaps the mix of being on different platforms and differences in vision for each game leads to the division more.
@@NovaBushido Yeah it could be a mix of things. Originally being a Playstation only game, moving to Nintendo for 3rd/4th Gen, then excluding Nintendo for world then only serving Nintendo (for a year) with rise. Not to mention the upsurge of new players in recent times. Just a recipe for so many more opinions and many angry ones at that.
Noticed the same thing. I started with Tri and I was always proud to be a part of the community. It was incredibly wholesome and I met some amazing people through it.
Compared to now… it may as well be a different community entirely.
I started with World and I´m currently on Sunbreak´s campaign. I play the games just cause I like the monsters designs and ecology. Rise might have lower graphic fidelity but I never consider it bad, it does look good. As for colors I don´t see any difference between World, Rise and Wilds. They all look the same to me.
Having stuff to disagree on sounds good to me cause it means the series isn´t stagnant. We get new gimmicks that make each entry feel unique and makes us want to fight all the monsters with the new thing. Like come on, using the Clutch Claw to slowly mount Jhen Mohran step by step sounds badass. If we didn´t get new stuff to play with we would end up like the COD players buy the same game each year meme.
The way we convey our dislikes to others is a great point. No one likes being told that they are plain wrong. It also makes it harder to see their point and agree with them. Witch is why I hate it when people just keep on feeding the fire. Sometimes one has to take the shot to stop this pointless debate. Why does it mater that your game is "the best"? What´s there to gain from this? Ego? Satisfaction?
I hope one of those 6 future videos will be about Capcom and its good will, it sounds very interesting. The only Capcom games I´d played are Worldborne and Risebreak and I´m very happy with the quality I got for what I spend. But the lack of communication in regards to the changes in Wilds and terminology used kinda lowered my likeness of the devs. I still like the dev team very much but I wish we would get to socially interact with the devs more. Like have a social MH forum or something like that. I get it that the language barrier is steep and the devs want us to find the new features by ourselves but I just want to hear why some things got changed.
Great video overall. Keep doing what you like doing!
Wow I'm glad you actually watched it, haha some poeple will see the title, thing it's a World vs Rise video and just say what they like best, but it's clear to me you actually watched it and I respect and appreciate that.
I hope your journey in Sunbreak is a good one, have fun!
Goodwill wasn't currently in the 6, but it may be, It's a good idea exploring the gaming industry and how godwill can save or destory a game.
i personally see this as
rise and world trying to combine all of monster hutner games together
world went to be a combination of all mainline games
while rise went into a diffrent route making it feel like the most well khown not mainline monster hunter FRONTIERS after all they even had frontiers mascot espinas with em
That's a great way of seeing it.
I didn’t like rise on launch, rampage quests were not my thing at all. But I could not wrap my head around all the hate, especially when sunbreak was so good. It played so well on switch too. I’m also kind of sick of being told skills I like aren’t meta. Idc, I’m not speedrunning. I wanna eat mushrooms for a dmg boost leave me alone.
Bro play your mushroomancer, I think that's a lowkey sick skill, I want to start running it more myself.
Glad to know you enjoy both games.Both games haa good and bad but the most important thing is to just enjoy the games.The old series are great too... hope you can also explore old series, you may even appreciate the quality of life and improvement added to the newer monster hunter game. Hope you can continue to make more video.
Yooo I started on Tri, so I know a lot about the old games haha, just not older than that. I don't correctly have plans to go back to games before Tri currently.
I have played monster Hunter since 2005 on the PlayStation 2. I've played almost every game and seen the huge amount of changes over the years. I've been impressed with how far it's come as a franchise and changed with the times. There are things i love and hate with every game but i have always had fun with each game.
And that's a practical way to be right? Seeing the good and the bad.
I remember the bitterness when Tri was on a Nintendo console only same with MH4U.
Haha I can only imagine the bitterness, and I understand it, it used to be on Sony consoles/portables, going to Wii is a big move.
Also 4U not bein on WiiU was painful for me personally... I only played on consoles so I had to get a 3ds for 4U
honestly to me it feels exactly like mh4u vs generations but for the new generation of fans its kinda funny to see cuz its almost 1 to 1
History repeats right?
@@NovaBushido yep the parallels are crazy lmao I think this one just feels louder now because back then the community was a lot smaller to see that discourse you had to be on the forums and in discords but now you can find I here on RUclips and on Twitter and of course negativity gets a huge push on those platforms so yk how that goes
I like both. Hope they keep making both. The more monster hunter, the better.
There was an interview, I can't remember where the interview came from so take it with a grain of salt. But when it came to the monsters in Rise, they were aiming to have these monsters be seen as somewhat of deities, meanwhile World had them feeling like animals. After reading that interview, I saw how different they were treating Rise compare to World overall, and made me appreciate both titles more for what they were seeking to achieve. Plus, I'm glad to have some variations from time to time with releases.
Hmm deities huh, I honestly didn't really see that in the game, but perhaps the monster intros are the best sign of this.
@@NovaBushido Yeah' it's probably the intros that convey that. With that context, it's as if the intros are the people of that region seeing these monsters as deities, that can be seen with the Shrine Ruins' relics, and also the final boss of Sunbreak being described as a devil in its quest name, and the imagery of it coming from the depths.
dude i feel you on the Disney Star wars situation, i'm a massive fan too and i pray that the franchise gets better soon
Bro I feel our prays will fall on deaf ears, but we'll see on that one.💀
The thing that always rubbed me wrong in this "debate" is the whole diferent equal bad side of the argument. It screams with that grain of elitism that i so hate from he community.
Change is almost always good, experimentation is the key for fun in games, if not for that mh would not be better than fifa or maden games where an exact copy of older games with slightly diferent ads during the match is the only change
No hate for FIFA or maiden btw the games can be Fun but the industry holds them back tremendously
Very true, it's nice we have a series that changes up every now and then.
Ya thats why it annoys me to no end when somebody says "the monster hunter community is wholesome and welcoming"
I enjoyed rise a lot so i experienced the toxicity first hand.. and it is really frustrating
I'm sorry you experienced that.
„gRaPhIcKs“ 😂😂😂 I can’t … xDd
LOL I love it!
Aka the only thing about games zoomers love
Sh** bearers 😂 was tooo funny, love the videos & content bro! Keep up the great work 👍🏽
Haha I try my best! Thanks for saying so.
Rise pretty much opened me to the franchise but at the same time it was the worse RUclips era like damn World vs Rise was at an all time high lol, but i cant thank This game enough man i met so many amazing people on this journey. Aye man thx for speaking your mind brotha much luv from ye fellow 5th Gen.
Bro I see it all the time, it's tiring for me, but people have a right to their opinion. I just would like people to be civil about it ideally.
Thakns Yoshi, good to see you.
I remember there being a slideshow someone made that tried their damnedest to condemn Rise from World because of the "steep drop off" of players and various other disingenuous points
Apparently that slideshow got to 4chan and Twitter
There was a felt hate boner for the game that tried to hide behind the shield of "the stats don't lie"
I think I remember seeing stuff like that in the past, it's pretty lame.
What’s kinda ironic for me (and other people) is that world and rise are some of my least favorite games in monster hunter, yet I still had fun. I don’t really hate hate them but they bring good and bad fights to the fifth gen of monster hunter. World has good mechanics, good weapon feeling, etc. while rise has good monsters, amazing feeling but fast pace content, etc.
Each game is good but I can’t say they’re my favorite. Doesn’t stop me from putting almost 1000 hours in them, but from my personal experience old world has just felt better for me as a hunter.
Is it ok to like rise? Yes, is it ok to like world? Yes again.
100% my guy, it's good to see that even though 5th gen wasn't your favourite, you can still see the good in it. I hope more people can have that type of mind set.
@@NovaBushido I just feel like monster hunter has always been good. Except for gen 1, but that was basically showing what they could do at the time lol. Personal favorite are third gen.
@@Random_Furry_On_The_InternetEy a fellow third gen enjoyer. Third gen was my first gen.
i love both games, but I want my prowler mode back!
I'm with you there! Prowler is really cool
I always saw this entire thing as be caused by the phenomenon of "2nd Game Syndrome" Where so many people started with World and either thought it was the 1st game in the series or didnt know the previous games. And when Rise was so diffrent they rejected it
Even i did this going from 4U to Generations and not liking it as a kid but i at least went back and played the hell out of GU when i got a Switch and figured out the systems.
Why did younger me figure out this problem before all the World fanboys? idk
Edit: wait a second thats my reply at 2:59 this is epic
Yoo so that was you! Haha great to see you hre Xavier.
You're right, people forget it's a game in a series with a long history.
The good thing about MH is every game has it's own spin and some you'll vibe with more than others and that's fine.
I remember seeing an innocent Instagram post of the Amatsu and Apex Zinogre battle in Sunbreak. The first few top comments were just people saying how much they dislike Rise. Can we go two seconds without getting pissy about games we don’t like? Have your opinions, but as you said, the way people express them is the issue. Furthermore, time and place, people. There’s no need to speak negatively on something that isn’t related to the quality of the game.
There's a reason the pre-fifth gen community came up with the name fivers, to differentiate people who actually played and enjoyed MH from just people who think they know everything after starting with world/rise, previously no one gave a shit about if you used specific weapons, after world, everyone acts like if you don't use the same weapon you're an opp. I think what really cemented that 5th gen brought in a lot of people was the monster popularity poll, all the unique and cool monsters, were so far down on the list, the fact that zorah magdaros beat like 80% of the monsters of all time on that popularity list says a lot about how many fivers joined the MH community at world/rise. I know this might come off as gatekeepy, but yeah I'd rather be gatekeepy of a community Im fond of than let it devolve into something like league of legends
LOL Zorah beating 80% is crazy, I don't like gatekeeping, but I also don't like people acting as if the series only just started like bro people have been playing it for years.
@@NovaBushido yeah zorah had no business being as high as it was on that list, but that was just due to the fact that all the 5th gen hunters had never seen anything outside world/rise. Im glad they didn't go back to older games either, they would probably just shit on them because they were harder and not as main stream as world/rise. the amount of people Ive seen say that underwater was bad despite never playing it is insane, like how can you have an opinion if you didn't actually play it LMAO
Personally for me, I just vibe more with Rise than World, and this is wayyyy before Rise release. I tried World because it was on sale, but it didn't capture my attention at all. It also might stems from me personally only experienced in playing the portable series (MHG and MHGU) previously.
For me it is the opposite lol
World was a huge slog to play and the graphics suck ass but the vibe was so good it made it worth it (if bought from sale
Rise is a better product in like, everything...
It is way prettier, the monsters aren't poorly designed half assed gimmick jokes with bland designs for the sake of "realism" and the ost just slaps...
but the endemic life being just items just don't hit the same🥺
Overall I still prefered rise
@@Mirawaru I think you mistook graphics with artstyle/theming. Graphically World is better, but Rise aesthetically is more unique and not bland like the simple wood and iron throughout Astera.
Whatever you vibe is good, everyone has perferences and that's totally fine.
@@NovaBushido
Yeah!
I had fun with rise but it was just too much. Running up walls. Evading through attacks with wirebugs, and wyvernriding. People complain the clutch claw was overpowered but wyvernriding was even worse. Sure they put a cool down on it but it was still more powerful than clutch claw.
That's a fair opinion, if it was too much for you that's all good.
Between two games i did prefer Rise for probably weirdest reason, i'm a ig main, with emphasis on i, kinsects felt a little bit more diverse, which i loved
I'm glad you find things you love in the game.
insect glaive was lovely in rise. i hope wilds will have several kinsects and not just the powdr one from world. i dont like powder kinsect :( assist kinsect was way more fun in my opinion
@@raptorpeep2622 in focus mode every kinsect acts as assist , especialy in triple buff
I feel you on Disney Star Wars. I loved the episode 1 - 6 since I was a kid. I gave episode 7 a chance and while some decisions made me scratch my head, I thought the movie was alright. Then came 8 and 9 which tanked my interest in seeing anything more from Disney.
I remember saying I was playing MHW back when it just came out and some dude was said I wasn’t playing a real MH game. I quickly tuned him out. The MHW vs MHR thing is pretty stupid. Old gen vs new gen is stupid too. I’ve played MHGU, MHW and MHR. There are things I like more in each game over the others but I love them all.
Yoo, my star wars brother, thanks for sharing your opinion.
I'm glad you've played other games in the series and tuned out that guy and just did what you enjoy
They both have strengths and weaknesses, but in my opinion, the hunting experience itself gets better each gen, and that's all I care about.
Yea man, that's the good thing about MH, also you have different experiences all over.
This is why I'm excited for crossplay in Wilds. Bridging the gap between platforms and bringing everyone(besides switch players) together. As much as I'd love for them to get in on the fun, the console is too outdated. Unless the Switch 2(if its real), has enough power to run the game, that'll be great! But realistically, they'll probably wait for 6th gen portable
I do hope the switch 2 is strong enough for it but we'll see. Besides that yea you're right, it'll be hype bringing gamers together.
Ah good to hear a wise head on this debate. I liked both games, started in world and preferred it over rise but rise was still a great game, it brought new thing the table (really liked the switch skills) I got my daughter into the series through it also as i felt it was easier to pick up the basics on MH.
End of the day though i think most if this discourse is just people who want to be bitter on social media, always good to take a break from that to clear your head.
Great video man, subbed.
Nicee I'm not a father yet, but I'd like to be one day, I can imagine it must feel awesome to enjoy a new game with your daughter, I hope you two get to also play Wilds together.
Thanks for the sub!
I love both world and rise!! The thing that really annoys me those are those who jumped on at world, disrespect other monster hunter games cuz they’re“not like world”, talk about how monster hunter should be, and shit on rise because it wasn’t “world 2”. I don’t want to use tourist or casual but it’s seriously frustrating when people bash other great games of an awesome series and they haven’t so much as touched older games!
Yes, it is annoying. I suppose for me, if you only like one game in the series, you're not really a fan of the series. You're a fan of that game.
I realized this community lost its way when it started to act like Battlefield vs CoD. We are better than them
Ideally we should be.
I never got the World vs Rise debate on all honesty. With Rise Sunbreak being my first monster hunter game, I don't care much about the debate and I still enjoy both games,but I enjoy Rise more than World even with playing through both games. Nonetheless, I am still looking forward to Wilds especially when it comes to the Lance as at the end of the day, we all love Monster Hunter and I can't wait to see you all in Wilds.
I'm glad you're enjoying, and keep doing so! Wilds is just round the corner, can't wait.
The worse in Rise is the multiplayer system. I still to this day can play World and find S.O.S. and have HUBs with 15 to 16 players. But rise couldnt hold more than 4 together? and random search for hunts? 4 min searching hunts to not find any? hunts that last 5 min because the dmg makes every hunt a speedrun, so i get into hunts that are ending most of the time already... Rise was fun, but World is still going strong.
@SilentTERU it's okay to have opinions, but I hope you do know I'm not pushing Rise vs World debates here like that whatever you enjoy keep at it
As a relatively new monster hunter fan my first proper introduction to the franchise was through MH rise definitive edition.
By the time I got the game I didn't experience any of the launch issues the game had that could have bogged down the experience.
I quickly found myself getting sucked in to the game and loving it.
After a had completed the main story I eagerly played through sunbreack. Eventually I had hunted every type of monster at least once.
I never expected to fall in love with this game franchise that I previously thought wasn't made for me. My first introduction to MH was with the Generations ultimate demo which I did not enjoy and ended up hating.
So I was so surprised I really enjoyed rises gameplay.
I did recently buy Generations ultimate just to see if my options about it would change after a whole playthrogh of rise+DLC
I remember hearing about the constant arguments about World vs Rise, so I was worried that Wilds would not appeal to me due to it taking a lot of cues from World and only a few from rise.
However those concerns were quickly dispelled after getting to play the MH wilds demo at gamescom.
The gameplay fealt just as fluid, fast and responsive as in rise and the slinger was such a fun and interesting new tool to play around with. I remember my rise muscle memory wanting me to wire bug up to Reydou to continue to do damege to him.
I personally can't wait for wilds to come out because it is currently my most anticipated game.
Honestly the debate is kind of pointless because to me the difference between modern portable and console Monster hunter isn't that significant besides of course the structure and main goal of the games differing, one wants more movement ability wile other trades that for "realisim".
After I'm done with wilds I probably get around to try out World after hearing it get all the praise for years.
Wow I'm jealous you got to play at gamescome, awesome, I was planning on going but I made my plans too late.. Regardless I'm happy you got to play and enjoyed.
Thanks for sharing your story, you've been through quite the journey with MH, I hope you continue to have fun in MH, and if you ever want to play on MHGU then let me know! We do streams on the game.
@@NovaBushido I did get to play the first short tutorial demo 4 or 5 times and played the multiplayer demo 1 time. That line was the longest about 3 or 4 hours but it was worth it because I wanted to see the other monsters.
I remember missing the wire bugs a bit but as soon as I got to figure out focus mode the trade off didn't seem that bad.
I like the focus strike and wound system they reward playing precise or aggressive by giving you a big weak spot to hit if you successfully land enough hits in one spot.
It is quite a fun gameplay loop that keeps the whole hunt exciting. You no longer have those dull moments in a hunt were nothing significant happens because you are always trying to land the next focus strike.
The new monsters were cool.
Chatacabra is absurdly easy even for early game monster standards, but it's the tutorial monster so off course it's ridiculously easy.
Doshaguma feals like if they took a real grizzly bear and faithfully adopted it to monster hunter with a monstes spin on it which can't be said about poor goofy Arzuros with dosint scare or intimidate me at all.
Only briefly saw the balahara during a turf war with Doshaguma were he got sucked through the sink hole to the other end of the map.
I was able to find Reydou at the spring in the middle of the map after the thunderstorm drinking. It then nuked a poor spikey armordillo and then wrecked a pack of Doshaguma.
Loved its sound design it sounded like a Ailen robot ghost or something.
I didn't expect it to have armblades like Magnamalo so it was a pleasant surprise to see him swing them twords me.
I didn't get to defeat him but it was still a blast of a hunt.
I can tell you this focus mode is ridiculously fun and rewarding and you will probably love it once you get to play wilds in some shape or form.
MH NEVER DISAPOINTS IMO. RISE V WORLD IS DUM IMO.
while I like world more in the end, rise isnt bad at all, it kinda is easier every new game runs I do to endgame rise was the easier but its not that its boring, playing every weapon on each iteration of monster hunter really gives you perspective of what are the changes they do to make the game more fun or one weapon is too strong, as for world vs rise to me its not really a fight, I just see the game as portable and console, rise is jump in and hunt game and world is sit for long sessions unless both are endgame in which I like world more due to bigger lobby with the bros, but I think rise was just limited by switch by design. Both are enjoyable and everyone should play them all without being emotional and toxic
plus if they want challenge we have frontier private servers for that, world and rise to me is easier than GU and GU and 4U is easier than frontier. I didnt just sink over ten thousand hours in the series just to end up hating one, rise might not be my top favorite but its pretty good on sunbreak, base rise did lack at first but so was base world. theres no fight cause both wasnt really that much at their start, its always the expansions that gives even more to what was already there and we all enjoy it.
I'm glad you're able to enjoy both!
Edit: GU may be easier than 4U (atleast the early/mid game) But I just have so much fun in GU it doesn't matter to me at all.
@@NovaBushido The styles trample all arguments since you got weapon, style and hunting art combination enough to last you until wilds
I’ll be honest, this was extremely cathartic. As a person that got into the series through Monster Hunter Rise, I find a lot of the arguments to be little more than white noise and senseless drivel, and there was a period where I felt stupidly bitter and resentful of a world as a result of these fights. Those days are thankfully over.. and I don’t believe what I think is best for the series as a whole with my subjective tastes, but at the same time, neither Iceborne or Sunbreak are perfect - all the games in Monster Hunter have different flavors and experiences to offer. I’ve played both Iceborne and Sunbreak, along with games from every generation sans the first one, and I still just don’t understand where so much of the vitriol stems from, unless it’s just a matter of ignorance in some cases. That isn’t to say everyone acts this way, many people are able to calmly and rationally explain themselves positively and negatively, but I’ve seen my fair share of arguments, and I was even replying to that comment you showed off at the start. It was in such poor taste, missing the entire point. It just befuddles me to no end, trying to make sense of the lot of it. People will certainly continue to be people, and I’m not advocating people to not express their thoughts, but I just don’t think spewing hatred on social media is actively going to fix issues you have with a video game.
I agree with you, I've seen some people in the comments jumping to conclusions thinking I'm saying don't be negative. It's funny because I never said that, infact I encourge people to talk about what they don't like or do like. If you hate something let the devs know talk to others about it, but don't need to attack other people doing it.
Look if the monster hunter team is good at one thing it’s improving the game with every entry whether it be ease of play or just quality of life so it’s unlikely wilds will be disappointing simply because it’s not the exact same formula as its predecessors
With each success or failure they improve which is nice.
Great video. It’s just an unfortunate fact of reality that toxic people will always be the loudest so the more popular a franchise is the more toxic it’s fanbase tends to become. If you want to interact with the community you kinda just have to accept that you’ll see some toxicity. I also personally think the rise of Fromsoft games and the obsession with difficulty and playing games “right” has contributed to an overall increase in toxicity within gaming communities. (To be clear I love FS games. DS3, Sekiro, and ER are some of my favorite games of all time, but I think the culture that has formed around them is overall negative.)
Also about your point on deco vs charm rng. While I personally prefer charm rng I agree with the sentiment that neither is good and we should come up with an alternative solution. The issue is there still needs to be some form of long term endgame grind to keep people playing. I know a lot of us can play MH just for the fun of it forever, but most players aren’t like that. Even I prefer having something to work towards, even if I can and do fight monsters just for fun.
One possible (and somewhat crazy) solution I thought of recently is just to have both. Charm RNG and deco RNG. BUT, you can use them to affect each other. You can combine several decos together to create a charm or add a skill to a charm and you can meld charms down and be left with decos (probably not of every skill on the charm, maybe you could choose 1 or 2). This system would keep the RNG grinds that are necessary for longevity but allow you to work towards what you want far more efficiently. Combine that with a system where specific monsters are more likely to drop charms or decos of specific skills and I think it could be a really great solution.
Yo Boahnoa! Bro love saying your name haha. Thanks for the comment my guy.
Yea you're right toxic people are out there, and it's apart of life, hopefully it'll get better someday around MH.
It's all good if you prefer charms I also prefer them, lately though I have liked them less as I kept getting too many I didn't know what to do with haha, but I suppose once you get some good ones you just stop trying to get more right?
Interesting, idea, I think RNG is still needed, it's all about getting the balance right, the idea of combing things together is awesome, i like it.
kinda funny to think that people who hated rise for the graphics would have to play 30 fps on wilds because of the requirements now. i still hope they would optimize it later on so a lot of people could play
Yea, it is funny how things go full circle. Tbh, I think those people prefer graphics over frame rate. World on base ps4 and Xbox one was 30 fps, then got sub 60 with the pro and one X
I personally don't think it's as bad as some people want to make it out to be. And I'm not saying that to discredit what you're saying
What I mean is that a lot of the "issues" people have and the exact same ones they had the game prior. It just seems worse because a lot more people play now.
I've been playing MH since Gen 1(yea I'm old)
And I can tell you for a fact that the old Gen guys who were complaining about World were also complaining about things in Gen 4 lmao. Most of the people complaining about anomaly investigations were also complaining about investigations/guiding lands in World. It will also happen in Wilds
I'm not surprised actually, as things change people sometimes find it hard to accept those changes and that is human nature. It's good to see someone who went through all of that.
You're right though it will most likely happen again. I'd like to at least give my 2 cents on the situations regardless maybe i'll change some people's mind.
@@NovaBushido it does ultimately depend on where the person is coming from, I find that it's 50/50. It's either a knee jerk reaction or they never actually played it and they just want to say something to say it, the later usual being the most vocal of the two.
Here's another example. People didn't like the RNG decos in World/Iceborne and they wanted it to go back to the old system where you can craft decos but charms were random....well Rise comes along and guess what? They got exactly what they wanted and they hated it lmfao.
And here's the kicker, Gen 3 and Gen 4 were just as bad because, at least for Gen 3, you had 13 different charm tables if I recall correctly but out of that 13 only like 4 were objectively good.
And I can already see with Wilds people are going to bitch about the 2 weapon mechanic and they'll likely complain about the RNG decos.
It's going to be the same shit just a different game at the end of the day.
I like both games in their own ways though i kind of wish MHRise Sunbreak endgame didn't become a NG+7 soulsborne run with anomaly at lvl300, those monsters be hurting a lot but they're interesting concepts XD
loooool lvl 300 and special are crazy, get one shotted by everything.
More & more I understand why Banned wants to retire. 😭
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monster hunter veteran here since MHF on the PSP (didnt have a PS2 before) and I played borth world and rise, I liked both btw, where I put thousand of hours in both games, grinding to max level and getting "150%" achievements (the other "50%" are stuff like getting rank A on every weapon in the arena solo, collecting all certain stuff, etc.), so yeah I dont know why they cant adapt to enjoy both and stop comparing eachother, especially since the games were released on different platforms, thus limiting the devs to do stuff, e.g. Rise was mainly on the switch, so ofc they cant add stuff in the environment like world with super HD graphics without blowing the Nintendo Switch to durst with 15 FPS, but what can you expect from some players who never researched about technical issues, me as a dev myself, I can see why the team for Rise have designed like this and why World had more possibilities, even if the game was out earlier
the best thing is just to ignore these players, comments and their "feedback" and just have fun with the game and other people in the community
Always nice to see a vet older than me haha. Even if people don't enjoy both that's okay, they just don't need to be a dick around not liking it, it's fine to not like something.
Also good to see another dev here, and you're 100% right on rise and it's graphical output, it did well for what it was on.
I don’t think the graphics were its problem. Honestly rise is probably the most fun monster hunter out. The lore however is god awfully weak. Amatsu literally bullies everything outside the story bosses. Which is very lack luster tbh. Still playing gu just to get the hand sweaty moments. O and they robbed us with no apex armor or weapons like wtf I wanted bloodbath armor. They teased tf out me lmao
There are three hills i will die on regarding MH:
-lance is perfect and the superior weapon
-underwater combat was fantastic and allowed the low mobility weapons to shine (i understand how it would feel like a downgrade for the high mobility weapons)
-brachydios is a great monster conceptually but looks absolutely terrible
Otherwise, im just gonna keep enjoying these games like i have since '04.
LOL I'm with you on all of that my guy.
I think what the real problem Is World and Rise are very different games, one has the best graphics at date and the other has the best playability at date, and that generates discussion.
True different games with different directions. So it doesn't surprise me that's the case.
been playing monster hunter faithfully since 2006 so i have seen how things have changed throughout the years. I even remember when gaijin hunter first appeared and i remember when team darkside was a tiny little unknown channel. I sound old af lmao. But my point is there has always been a level of elitism in the community it has always been there. People used to glaze MHFU AAAAAAAAAAAAAAALL THE TIIIIME but i think since mh has become main stream the love for it has grown but the negativity has grown too i think its just unavoidable. I think one of the big issues im seeing as well is that alot of people talk about whats best for the series (when like 95% of them arent even remotely qualified to make takes like that) and ppl forget to experience each mh game as its own unique thing. Mh seems to be taking a dual route of some games like wilds and some like sunbreak and i actually really like the approach tbh if they keep at it. On side feels more like old school mh while the other feels like new mh i get to exp both
I like MH3U i can tell you what i like about it more than MHFU but im not gonna sit and degrade MHFU it is its own experience. It is its own mh game with its own villages, music, monsters, features, locales, and memories. I treat all mh games this way. I also still see the expansions seperate from the base. So i see World and Icebourne as seperate titles (in a way) just like rise and sunbreak. I enjoyed rise and sunbreak more. I wasnt too huge of a fan with world but i adored icebourne.
This type of division will likely never go anywhere its good that we push back against it and swarm it with positivity but dont let it frustrate you or dont get lost in it i promise its not going anywhere it never has. Its ok to critique mh games ive been doing it for years but theres no need to drag it. The devs have yet to fail and deliver an mh game i hate in almost 20 years. And while i have seen some concerning practices of late (which i think are also connected to it becoming mainstream) I still have faith that even if two mh games are like day and night at the end of the day its still mh and its gonna be fucking fun lotta new players could stand to approach it that way.
LOL I always find it interesting how people make seems old a bad thing, dw bro I'm 30, 31 this year, people age it's fine just life.
Anyway you're right it is in every community not just MH tbh, and that's a fact, but as it's everywhere I feel there are times people also need to say things, just a reminder to people to chillout haha.
Yea bro you can like something from one place, and like something else about another, it's not a difficult concept but some people find it hard.
Thanks for the comment bro, was a great read.
That was an amazing video. Your talk on the discourse between World and Rise fans hit especially hard as, personally I started with Tri as well, and World is in a really weird spot for me. I love the focus on ecology and world building, but in terms of combat, I have, and still do, hate combat in World. It just doesn't feel like monster hunter, and I have been trying to understand what people like about World's combat compared to older MH titles. It's been frustrating since most world fans just tell me to "get good" instead of actually trying to explain how combat works. I'm not even bad at World, I got to the end game of iceborne, I just don't enjoy the fights. This vitriol is a big part of why I don't look at World as fondly as I should, and why I'm so concerned about Wilds. Hearing the devs talk about how even they can't predict what the monsters can do, I'm worried it's going to be parts I disliked about World made even worse.
Bro we're basically MH brothers haha, started in the same game, felt similar as each other. Spoiler alert, i'll go into the combat of World more in my What I dislike about rise video on the weekend so hope you see that one.
I understand that, how people treat you can make you hate a game, and I'm sorry you felt that way it sucks. If it didn't connect with you, it didn't connect and that's fine. Keep playing whatever you enjoy.
As for Wilds, I was concerned too, but after seeing the weapon overviews it got me quite excited, so I'm looking forward to trying weapons out and seeing how it goes.
Thanks for the comment, wish you the best.
@@NovaBushido Underwater will come back some day, and we will be there for that day when it comes.
I try not to let those poor experiences keep me from painting World's fans or even the game itself in a negative light, which is why I'm trying to play through the game again and see if it can click. Best I got so far is that the more unpredictable movesets of World's monsters makes it hard for me to "get" how to fight them.
The Wilds weapon showcases were promising, Lance and ESPECIALLY Hunting Horn are looking amazing, only thing keeping me from preordering are those computer specs and the price.
You bet I'll be checking that new video when it comes, thanks for reply, hope you have a good week!
Who is actually asking "Why Wilds isn't like Rise? "Thats a take i don't think i will EVER understand. Besides its not like you won't get another portable, bossrush game alongside the main title like every generation 😬
Well with new people coming into MH they just have takes because they don't know how the series has worked in the past. Similar to how when Rise came out new players were expecting World 2
@@NovaBushido The Rise fear was a little understandable, considering certain things Capcom were saying gave the impression that rise was a main game and would be the new basis for future games.
I like both styles of mh, seperately and for different reasons, but I'd choose the main games for their innovation and focus on immersing you as the hunter in a living, breathing world, over what is essentially mh, but it's nothing but the combat.
To me combat/gameplay means everything, or at least I put it first beyond everything else, but that's me personall.y
@@NovaBushido Combat in MH is some of the most fun and satisfying gameplay out there so that's not an all too surprising take.
1:56 (regarding the comment) aha, and World/Iceborne totally didn’t have a horrible RNG decos where some have like a 0.000001% chance of dropping.
Or hours of grinding the same shiny metallic monsters, that are just a bit stronger than their normal counterparts, with no other differences.
Or the hours you had to put into the guiding lands just to level up certain biomes (they later made it easier, but it took a long time at launch).
And dont get me started on the horrible RNG weapon augment system in World before Iceborne.
Pure hypocrisy.
I really hate it when people pretend like their favorite MH game totally didn't have the same problems as the one game they dislike.
And tbh, the anomaly quests were much better than tempered monsters.
The monsters felt different and you werent as limited when hunting monsters for resources (in World you were very limited when it came to gaining certain resources).
Btw, it may seem like i am hating on World, but i have way more hours into World than Rise.
I didn't even finish Sunbreak (i stopped before Velkhana DLC was released).
I think World is much better at being immersive, especially with the wildlife.
But i also realise that was the main thing World focused on, immersion, while Rise focused on combat.
I also agree that they both have their good and bad parts, and i really hope that they combine the best of them in future titles, while reworking or not adding any of the bad stuff.
Also:
4:57 ehm... i remember that World took like ages to load a quest/map on PS4, while Rise on switch loaded pretty fast.
It was actually one of those things i disliked about World, the long ass loading screens.
So why are people pretending like Rise takes ages to load on switch, compared to World on PS4?
I sometimes cant get their points at all.
Like do they live in a parallel universe or something?
I certainly didn’t play the same games as them
It's similar to that goodwill thing, as long as people enjoy something they'll overlook many of the same flaws, and justify it being a thing in their head.
I also agree Anomaly were better than tempered, I do wish it wasn't so easy to knock them out of their amped up state though.
I'm glad you can see things in a fair light, regardless of which game you enjoy more.
And yes haha Loading back on the base systems took forever on the for World it was pretty bad.
Thanks for your comment man, was a good read.
@@NovaBushido thanks.
I really don't get why people hate on a game for sometimes no reason.
It's mostly either console/PC elitism, or the good old "BaD gRaPhiCs!!!" complaints.
Like do they understand that the development of Rise didn't take anything away from the development of the 6th gen? (As far as I heard that Rise was mostly developed by other people).
Yes it has worse graphics, but thats like the best the switch has to offer.
The switch makes the franchise more accesible to more people.
If they don't want that, they should stop bragging about how much MH has grown as a franchise.
I have played MHFU, 3U, 4U, Generations (only base game, not ultimate), World and Iceborne and then straight to Sunbreak (only bought Rise when Subreak released).
And I have to say, none of those games are bad.
They all have their pros and cons as well as style.
I wish we could just ignore those people who hate on other MH games and their fans, but unfortunately we can't, since they try every opportunity to attack you once you say something they disagree with.
This video is excellent and I can see how much thought and consideration was put into it, tbh there isn't much to be said but I would like to point out something. While a lot of the comments used as examples in this video are clearly bad and loosely thought out, there is still a chance for those people to redeem themselves as many have done before, I have seen the journeys of those who said they hate or didn't want to play either new gen or old gen MH give these games a try and start to enjoy themselves in a myriad of different ways. I believe that these laud individuals just do not care as much as they should about proper engagement and discussion, I don't think that they re all young either as there are many how are also proper adults that exhibit this reckless way of expression and often seem hardheaded and dumb. The best example of this is the comment that you showed about the guy who was comparing world and rise to the current state of the Pokémon games, in this we should all be quite aware about the current stagnation and degradation of the Pokémon games as they've come and gone. Or the comment about rallying together and have Sony be the sole entity in charge of the Monster Hunter series, the way both of these commenters phrased their ideas is completely wrong but when you take a look into their actual ideas in a deeper level one can clearly piece together the idea that these are people who are concerned about the future of a series that they like. I'm not saying that some of these comments are excusable, however I am saying that at least for myself I always give people the benefit of the doubt and I have hope that after a simple and short exchange of words This hostility can be somewhat cleared. I don't ever take sides on the Internet, there's no winning and there's no losing it always remains at a stagnant stalemate.
You're right, people can always change, and I hope we see that for the better, not all communities online are toxic, I've seen some really nice ones. Infact the MH community is really nice when people are just hunting having fun, it's the discourse on online forums that can get dicey.
We are lucky MH keeps evolving, and let's hope it keeps on that path.
Thanks for the comment, I respect it greatly.
I played both, before getting into the community. And, I''m not gonna say world should have been more like rise. It didn't have to be, and I don't expect a game made to, introduce Monster Hunter to the Mainstream Western audience to be. But, IMO, Rise feels like a better monster hunter game.
World's combat is slower, but not bad. Rise, is almost the same combat, but, faster.
BUT. For the two things world did better, Rise did 4-6.
World has some good music, but, it feels like a rehashed summary of the prevous games, that was already summarized, in Gen Ultimate.
For me, World was a familiar, but vastly different to the other games.
Rise, even with the faster combat, felt more like older monster hunter.
World, has graphics, and combat pace over rise.
1) Rise, had more unique weapons. (That wasn't a base weapon + Fur/Feathers/Scales.)
2) Rise let you craft gems, which, made it easier to get your build close to max stats. Yes, both games had RNG that made it hard to build your kit to perfection easily, and I HATE both. But, Rise's option felt better.
3) Rise's monster roster balance was better. Especially talking about elements here.
4) Rise's monsters were more memorable. World to me, felt flooded with wyverns and dragons. Rise had more birds, more monkeys, more fantastical creatures.
5) Rise had a more interesting/engaging story. Most of the cutscenes in world was, "WOW, LOOK AT THIS GRAPHICAL MARVEL! Oh, and, something about Nergigante, and, something about a gathering of elder dragons." Rise's cutscenes, would be difficult to summarize in one sentence.
6) The introduction to certain quests, especially those pertaining to the story, felt more carefully thought out. If you've played Rise+Sunbreak, you know the quests.
And, again, both games have gimmicks, and stuff I dislike. But, they are both great games. But, as an Old World Monster Hunter fan, I enjoyed Rise far more than world.
See this is great to see, a good example of being able to say what you dislike and like without attacking someone. I also agree with much of what you said.
1-4 100% agree
5 is interesting for me, because Although Rise has a more engaging overall cast and story, there's not too many story beats, which is more like the old gen. Moving to Wilds now it seems they've got the same effort in the type of characters we have, but now the story will be more fleshed out which is awesome.
Even saying that I do still have issues with Risebreak, like apexes for example...
Thanks for the well constructed comment.
world was my first monster hunter game it got me hooked so good that i spent a lot of time looking up the lore. and when i got my switch, i got generation 4U, and i loved that to. it played different did not look as good but it was monster hunter at its core and i loved it as much in its own way, then rise came out, i watched videos and read comments and the dislike for it just hurt. sure it does not look as good, but still a game worthy of being in the franchise, and sure it plays different but so does the other games they all have different fresh mechanics to give a fresh way to play. when wilds comes out i will not compare it to the older games, because it will play different, and who knows maybe my main weapon will be a different kind in this one.
Glad you've been enjoying, and keep at it! MH is great, and the old games give you a different type of experience.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
This drama really is the dumbest thing. It was never necessary and/or came from ideas that went too far. There's a big difference between personal criticism of a game and promoting a supposed subjective opinion.
There's a lot of "sides" to take on this, but it boils down to people needing to learn to communicate effectively and ignore obvious trolling or hatred.
I'm doing better in my self control over this, but i did have to disconnect from most monster hunter social media.
I've seen some people do similar, it's the easily way to get away from it all.
MH:world was my introduction to the series as a whole! so its always got a place in my heart. I love it so much i even pre-ordered rise and i enjoyed rise too. Simply because it was more monster hunter! When i picked up Gen ult i realized how kinda watered down world felt to alot of the older players. I love monster hunter. whether that is world, rise, Gen ult. Hell if they released a colouring book id buy it hehe
I used to against Rise Sunbreak when I first playing it before I start liking it, but I'll say I have to give it a lot of chance, and I don't think all people will share that same amount of patient.
each weapon in both games also experience and feel very different too which affect the way people think about both games.
As someone who start from World Iceborne, I kinda felt that.
One thing about random deco and random talisman, there are something a bit special about having RNG in a videogame when it done right. but I think both of them could have been done better.
Sure, just remove it is an easy solution, but just let it sink in for a bit, like, a bit of both for example, or RNG first then craftable later, kind of idea.
Urkikk! Always good to see you, I'm glad you gave it a try. Even for those who didn't give it a try, it'd be weird for them to bash the game again and again.
You're right RNG does add a weird sense of joy when you do finally get the thing you've been hoping for. Hopefully they get the balance right this time. MMO isn't an MMO XD we don't need that crazy amount of RNG.
ill be honest, i dont enjoy the newest games as much as the older, i enjoy rise, and now i enjoy world quite a bit. but.. when world first came out on pc and i was stuck on keyboard and mouse cause all my controllers were broken? world really took its toll on me, tons of little things ate away at me, some getting fixed, some being made better over updates and when iceborne came out. i still dont enjoy world/iceborne as much as rise but i can enjoy it.
my biggest grips are this: preventing people from joining the same quest until both have watched the cutscene seperately sucks, it feels bad to switch from playing together and then into a dip into a cutscene you cant skip, getting through it, and then leaving the quest and joining. and the only other thing? the handler. not that her personality is innately annoying, its the frequency of her comments in the middle of a hunt. i dont mind tutorials in low rank or commentary before or after a hunt. but hearing someone talk to me as i hunt especially an elder dragon? it just feels like it detracts from the game, shes fantastic in the actual story parts, cutscenes ect, but in the middle of my hunt i REALLY REALLY hate npcs talking to me. thats it, thats what slowly ground me down. world isnt bad, world isnt even close to bad. its great.
but heres my end all be all; i dont hate the game, nor do i fail to understand that some people love the handler and want to hear her. but i dont want to. it should be an option even before youve beaten every story quest. and skipping cutscenes is generally a standard option in modern games, ill always prefer having that option. great game lovely beautiful game, but god if i personally cannot play it without muting voices.
i think world is a great game, my personal experiences due to both circumstance and the nature of how i focus in hunts. over the course of 130 hours ground down my desire to play it. both the handler speaking to me during quests, multiplayer being a bit rough to play through the story together, and some weird launch jank with world on pc, i ended up having to step away from it for a year or two, and come back to it, now with a mod to mute the handler and to skip cutscenes? i enjoy rise more but world is a solid experience and with friends? fully worth every bit of its cost
Yea the world quest thing is just weird, I don't really know what they were thinking really. Thank you for sharing your experience. I also don't enjoy them as much as the older games, but I get joy from them both in different ways. multiplayer Rise can be abit much for me, I prefer solo, I think it truly shines that way.
Multiplayer MH is best for me in GU just love all the craziness but also the monsters showing us whose really the badass.
In no way am I a MH Veteran, but for 5th gen personally, I think both games are good in their own way. World and Iceborne is more immersive and “realistic” with its ecology. Meanwhile, Rise and Sunbreak had good gameplay and arguably improvements to systems like the decorations.
In the end, I got a better experience with Rise Sunbreak despite putting more hours into World Iceborne. Mostly due to sunbreak’s monster roster just being more diverse and cool in my opinion.
Glad to see you can find good in both.
I subbed. I love monster hunter. It has been my favourite series ever since my first interaction with it. I still remember it clear as day. I bought devil may Cry 3 on playstation 2 and it came with a demo of the first monster hunter. I still have that devil may cry 3 ps2 case and disc with the monster hunter demo in it. I was so fascinated I ordered the game online. It took like a week but monster hunter arrived in the mail. And I have been playing monster hunter games now for 20 years. I love monster hunter so much. And I am just tired of the last few years the MH community being so full of hate and bullshit. I ended up stepping back and not engaging with the community for awhile and cuz of a few unhinged bad apples that started with world. I mean I even grew contempt towards world/iceborne but now that is gone and I recently did a few hunts in world. I plan to go back at some point and 100% my guild card and max my HR and MR at some point before Wilds comes out
Thanks for the sub!
Glad you love the series, I hope you keep on loving it, no matter where you play it and when.
I feel like if Capcom listened to all of this, we'd have a situation like ubisoft. Innovation is good, people.
Yes, you can spend days arguing about how X is better than Y, but why does Y need to be exactly like X in the first place? I'm almost certain a lot of people would go back on their words real quick if they were ever made a reality at face value.
True, there's no need for any two games to be the same. Innovation and change is good.
I feel like each MH game does something great, that you might not like, but it seperates the games.
Like (imo)
if you want the truest OG MH experience, play Dos.
if you want the best online experience, play Tri.
if you want the best singleplayeer experience, play 4U.
if you want the most quantity, play GU.
if you want the best immerserve experience, play World.
if you want the best action experience, play Rise.
Those are just my opinions ofc, but I think because how each game does something good differnelty, it clashes with people, because everyone prefers something else. It's ofc just sad if people are this toxic, but I wouldn't know, I never was on Twitter, and I cannot believe that many people are still on that site in 2024. I only talk to the people I meet ingame, and later on Discord, and that's chill for the most part.
And I think your opinions are great, I don't know why but you saying tri at the online experience sticks out to me, I can always remember it for some reason, I don't know what it did so good.
@@NovaBushido There are good reasons why fans tried to hard to bring back the online servers for Tri:
First of all it had dedicated servers, that you could all see and select at once. Each "gate" could have up to 100 people. You could not see those players, but you could talk with them. Then at those gates you select and created your specific rooms (called a city), or used a "search board" for cities that suits your need. It basically gave you a feeling of just walking into the online mode, and see what ever other people are doing, without to specifically need to look for certain type of criteria. In World or Rise for examble, even if you select nothing, it will limit your options. Unlike in Tri, where you can see every server and every region (the only seperations were japan / NA / PAL regions, but the fan servers are worldwide available), and thus you can join whatever city that peaks your intrest if you have no specific goal in mind. I feel like this gave the community a much stronger sense of community than any other MH game ever since.
Next up is the chat system. In Tri it was very simple, but MUCH better than what we have in World or Rise. You simple press "enter" on your keyboard, the chat starts, you press enter again, to send the message. In World and Rise they made that process alone much more troublesome. If you want to select a specific person, you just press the tab key. In World for examble, you have so many different channels, and its hard to navigate. In Tri it doesent matter if you are in quest or not, as long as you are in a city everyone can see your chats. In World you either have the choice of people who are not in a quest (even if just selected), people that are in your own quest, or EVERYONE. So if select a quest, and then wanna talk to people that not joined your quest, you will need to select "everyone in this session", so even those people that are currently on a quest hunting, have to see your conversation that is happening in the lobby itself. But like I said, in Tri its simple all, or if you want to be specific just tab until the person that you wanna talk to is selected.
And also how small the chat is in both Rise and World. In Tri it's a nice big bubble in the left side, with a ton of space to talk. It confuses me how they never got it right after Tri. I sometimes feel like Capcom dont want people to communicate on modern MH games, or else the chat system would be a bit better. (Especially Rise on PC. I dunno what they were thinking of making the chat be in THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN!!!! I mean, imagine you hunt and just wanna type something quick, allmost impossible on PC. I mean, I only played the PC and Switch version. In Switch its a lil better, but dunno how it looks on PS and Xbox. But either way, the chat system is so much better in Tri.
And there are sales, which are not just random, but different each real life day. I know it sounds silly, but I allways like this factor, as if they really have a sale that day.
Then there is the one big event, Jhen Mohran. A few days before Jhen shows up, the lobby gets a lil bit more sandy. You can see it in the sky especially. And then when Jhen is available as the quest, the whole lobby is covert in a sandstorm. It was so damn cool and the atmosphere was point on. I loved that. Sure, World has festivals, and I love those too, I hope they return in Wilds, however, they are simple just "fun". The sandstorms of Loc Lac tho, they were part of the lore, it felt like this is an actual event. Imagine if during Savis sieges the lobby would change, Idk some more guards, or more people preparing to battle, you see in the distance monsters flying away, the music changes to a more series theme. And maybe on the maps, you could see those lights, even during normal hunts. Like showing that Savi is training the energy of the areas newby. Idk, just making up something to give an idea how to make an event feel like an actual event. Basically, take advantage of the fact that MH is an onlinemulitplayer game. Yes, those things will get lost without servers, but you cannot replicate an event feeling, when it is available all the time. I like that feeling of "now shit just got serious".
And the last thing, a lil bit more my own opinion than just facts: But I prefer how monster NOT scale online. MH is imo an multiplayer driven experience. By giving people the chance to solo stuff, simply by scaling, you give away sooo much of the core experience. Yes, stuff may be tough solo. But hey, thats why you have to go out, find people, and hunt together. Yes, hunting Alatreon in World is a challenge, but it feels a lot easier, knowing that it scaled down to you. Soloing Alatreon in Tri? Thats badass. You basically soloed an elder dragon made for four people. But yes, thats not really my point. My point is more about that by making MH more mainstream, more casual, it loses a lot of its original identity. I allways incourage people to go online, find people to play with, talk to them, maybe even build friendships. Sure, people solo play MH, and I let them enjoy the game, dont worry about that. But I cannot denie I feel that they should play other games, like Dragons Dogma. I think other games have much better singleplayer expierences.
World, Rise, and even Wilds, all look more like games that are suppose to be played solo first, and then once you finished everything, go online. Like as if multiplayer is an afterthought.
I know I wrote a lot, but I dunno how else I could describe it. The fan servers arent that full, but back in Tris day, man, those were the days. I dunno what else to say, but Tri focused so much on the online aspect, compared to any other MH game I played.
Great vid keep up the good work.
Thank you brother
I very rarely comment on videos like this, but as someone where my first MH game was the freedom unite on the PSP and bought a Wii U for MH 3 ultimate.
Both rise and worlds did things better than each other. Without talking about gracias fidelity or the sound scape to which there is no point.
From rise I prefer the weapon mechanics and ability to change some skills,
Rise also have some very interesting monsters I hope to see again and it was nice they brought back some of my favorites.
From world I prefer the in general slower combat, I personally also prefer random deco crafting over random charms. But neither is great.
The maps and areas in general I prefer worlds,
I also overall like the cast of monsters a lot more in worlds. But Nergi also became one of my favorites, and Braccy is always amazing.
Both are good games.
Glad to see you've taken great moments from all around the series, I love to see that.
Ive always preferred the Ichinose or 'portable' games from 3rd gen onwards
Theyve always been more dynamic than the main console releases and polish a lot of rough edges
But I still think both are great
I personally push more towards gameplay than graphics, and if you also prefer that, that's cool.
I love seeing someone address the issue. I'm from Brazil, and the MH community here stinks. Say you like rise more than world, and you'll be hit with hateful comments. Even major Brazilian content creators were spreading false information about rise while glorifying world. I hate what this community has turned into.
Hello from England! Damn I'm sorry it's like that, well the guys around the channel have always been cool and I hope you see that for yourself
Already know who that first tweet is from they always spread so much negativity like they gotta be miserable irl
I still don't get the point of hating on either one.
World brought new people to Monster Hunter, that dont understand the series past. Mainline titles and portable was always different, portable always were more experimental and os actually the ones that inovate the most. World was actually an anomaly, since the portable was always the ones that sold more titles, you can say that before World, the B team was actually the A team.
Good point, I think the way things changed in 5th gen will change MH forever in what way? Not sure yet.
Any game that is being released on consoles will be worse than that same game would be if only released on PC because the console makers require the developer to lock in a final version sooner than Steam and Epic do. Meaning the developer has more time to polish the game. Day one updates help, but even those have to be approved, which is way fixes to bugs in PC versions of games that do not have cross play happen faster.
Indeed they do, which makes sense from developers, the more people being able to play their games the better. But console fans are gate keep gRaPhIcS need to know they aren't the top dogs💀
@@NovaBushido it doesn't help that the gRaPhIcS often confuse art style with graphics. I briefly made that mistake when I was younger and Legend of Zelda Wind Waker came out. At first I was upset because I thought it was a step back from Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, but I was wrong. It actually has better graphics than the other two, just a more childish art style. Wind Waker ended up being my favorite Zelda game to date even though I prefer a more realistic art style. Not a one to one with World and Rise, but still a factor in video game discourse.
Some people, for whatever reason, have decided that their opinion is worth more than another’s. I played World with a guy for a while, he was from Egypt (I’m American) who refused to let us bring certain weapons on hunts. He particularly hated The Hunting Horn even though ME using the HH was how me and my 3 friends beat Raging Dio the first time 😅
Point is: everyone has their own pool of experiences. I, however, am not stupid enough to think that someone else is incapable of thinking in a way that I simply can’t or maybe struggle in.
A Sword and Shield user helped me beat Fatalis for the first time 🤷🏻♂️ a lot of ppl say it’s a support weapon but that dude was goblin mode.
I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE monster hunter rise. I’m not kidding I think it’s worth less than the last dump that I took. HOWEVER, anyone who likes Rise, ALSO likes Monster Hunter. How can I hate on a fellow Hunter?
It’s one thing if someone has a factual piece of info wrong. Like saying Teostra is weak to fire- it’s simple wrong. You aren’t worse at the game for not knowing, but it’s incorrect- saying that LS is better than SnS is an opinion. Know the difference 😂
Damn that's strange to see someone like that, but tbh I had a similar experience online back in MHtri, people didn't like me bringing lance, they thought I did no damage, so they told me to play something else, doesn't feel good when they do that. (I only tell my friends to play something else if I know they're just keep on dying with it XD).
Keep playing whatever you like man and enjoy yourself doing it.
@@NovaBushido Lance mains lookin up in Wilds, brother 💪🏻
Love the video, but the specs bit is a trash take. And I say that as someone with a high end pc who won’t have a problem.
The specs make zero sense, and use frame gen at 30 fps. You should check out Digital Foundry’s video on it, they were dumbfounded.
Edit: I mean c’mon, having a 40 series card and not even hitting 60 fps at 1080p *medium* settings is completely insane lol.
Glad you liked it, I didn't mean to come across as defending Capcom for their optimisation, if you need frame gen that's weird coming from these 'powerful' 8th gen consoles.
My point was people who say people who want MH on switch would hold the game back, but consoles hold PC gaming back. People should stop looking down on others for their gaming mechanic of choice.
I hope that makes sense, regardless thanks for letting me know you feel that way.
Played charge blade on base rise. Didn't finish the game because I think they butchered the core concept of the weapon. No point in guard points, charging phials and weaving combos, what's that? Just spam the counter and directly go into SAED.
That's interesting and makes a lot of sense actually, getting the perfect guard wasn't as impactful anymore.